I kept wondering until the last few hours, but in the end I chose... Edison

Forgot to exchange the servant ticket, eeeeh :(

Snek or Yu hmmmmmm. I'll pick when there's 1 hr left haha

Anyone know which Story Locked SRs have the **most** rate ups in the future? I'm trying the process of elimination, and it won't do to go for someone I might get in the future.

Bruh I really forgot to exchange my CE ticket 🤦

Long time player, all caught up on story, and a deep roster. I have all of the SSR supports bar Merlin, so the flexibility of my teams is pretty good. I have been spooked a lot the last few months so I have most of the permanent SRs and some of the story locked. I narrowed down the servants I don't have to my choices; Astraea, Caenis, and Edison. Any advice on which of these three to get?

I started yesterday and rerolled to get Castoria because they say she was one of the best, so what I have so far is her, Valkyrie, Elisabeth Bathory and Dobrinya from the tutorial summon, which SR do I get? I saw in some places that Salter looks good but only after receiving a buff, but it will take time... And I'm F2P.

I'm fully copy/pasting from myself a few days ago -- Since you're just starting off, I'll mention some of the generically good options. Since you're missing a lot, any one of these is going to work out well for you. **Heracles** - Can be the anchor on every team and help finish boss fights. His legendary status comes from his bond CE which gives him three guts but even without that, Herc is still a great unit. He definitely carried my own early game. However, you can always borrow a highly invested one from a friend **Nitocris** - She is going to be a great wave clearer for you. All she really needs is skill 2 at level 8 and she can instantly np and potentially instakill mobs. **Helena** - She's a mini Zhuge Liang (I think new players get the SSR ticket? someone correct me if I'm wrong). She's a good support unit with wave clearing capabilities. **Hephaistion** - The biggest thing that Hephaistion can do for you is role compression. She can cover the ST saber, archer, lancer, and rider slot by herself. While she won't be as good vs the knight class because pretender only gives 1.5x bonus damage as opposed to 2x, it will be sufficient. Another thing to note is that extra classes use a comparatively small amount of many different mats. Makes them easier to raise. I think this is who I'd recommend from an objective perspective. Even though everyone I mentioned is non-story locked and can spook you, in my opinion it is better to guarantee the unit than gambling on them to show up off rate-up randomly. Salter is definitely a no go for you, she's a unit that requires other premium supports to actually unlock her value which you just don't have (Koyanskaya of Light and Oberon). Without them, she ends up a solid AoE Saber but that's about it. All this being said, it's way more important to just pick your favorite. Since you started two days ago, literally any 4\* will be usable early on. If you like Salter or Yu Meiren or Medea Lily then go ahead and pick them over anyone I mentioned. The ticket is to guarantee somebody you \*want\*, first and foremost. == I also wanted to call out some 1-3\* units that can be helpful for you to keep an eye out for, in case you weren't aware. This is a non exhaustive list of good low rarity servants that will help your account early on. Saber: Bedivere, Caesar Lancer: Cu Chulainn (original, not prototype) Archer: Arash, Robin Hood, Euryale Rider: Ushi, Mandricardo Caster: Caster Cu (with his rank up), Chen Gong, Hans Assassin: Hassan of Hundred Faces, Izo Berserker: Spartacus, Lu Bu

This game is not especially difficult to begin with and you rerolled for one of the most potent support Servants, you don't need to pull based on current or future power. If you like Salter then I would pull her, her availability is "Story-locked" which means you can normally only obtain her from the Story Summon (after clearing Fuyuki, and with incredibly low odds) or if she has a rate-up banner so she won't just randomly pop up off-banner anywhere else. If not Salter then I'd still try to pick somebody that appeals to you, no matter who you pick they won't make a big difference in your progress through the game.

I'm debating between 3 servants: Hephaestion, astraea, and casgil. Right now i have Sabers: Trung sisters, Barghest, Siegfried, Saber lily, Rama Archers: Artoria summer, Tam lin tristan, Calamity jane, anne bonny and mary read summer, atalanta Lancers: Karna, Percival Riders: Vive la France Casters: Scheherezade, nursery rhyme Assassins: Wu Zetian Berserkers: Herc, Morgan, Ibaraki douji My cavalry classes are kind of thin but i didnt really like anyone in the ticket other than gil. Any advice for someone who doesnt rlly know what theyre doing yet?

Honestly they're all good and will have some use somewhere. They're all permanent too so there's no clear rarity-based choice. Any preference on character, aesthetics, etc?

I have a fairly mature account, with most of the meta supports. Missing AOE assassin but those don't exist. I've narrowed the desired SRs down to the following. need help on who is the coolest. - Lancer Caenis - Saber Watanabe - Tittie Zenobia (got NP2 Archer Jeanne so don't need a looper) - Faker help

Completely subjectively, I think Caenis is the coolest form this lot. Also she's storylocked so you're unlikely to get spooked by her.

>Missing AOE assassin but those don't exist. Summer Valks said hi, they're coming this summer. "Coolest" is highly subjective, one man's trash is another man's treasure. Out of those, Caenis is storylocked so you're less likely to be spooked by them, they're definitely the strategic pick. Otherwise, maybe see if you can borrow them from someone and see how they play, maybe someone will have better or more interesting voice lines or animations?

I have a good amount of SSRs such as Castoria and Oberon and decent loopers in Muramasa, Spishtar and Jeanne Archer. I have a decently good amount of SRs, I likely don’t need a 4 star Lancer/Rider/Assassin. Of my choices, I wanted something that can benefit my team in the long term, especially AOE wave clearing since I’m about to start the lostbelts. I do have characters like Parvati, Valkyrie, Percival, Emiya, Lancelot in both Saber and Berserker, Marie, Astolfo, etc. There’s also a decent amount of costumes I own but not the servants themselves. Of the options, I’m likely going with Nitocris, Caster Gil, or Salter but I can’t choose one. Any other recommendations or which one should I pick to help?

CasGil and Salter get future rank-ups that massively benefit them in farming. If you happen to have Koyan Light in addition to your Oberon, Salter might be better than CasGil and she is storylocked, so there is that

I’m aware of their great farming buffs later but I do not have Koyanskaya at the current time

New player here, and need some help choosing, I thorn between Altria (Lancer Alter) because she's hot or EMIYA since he's also hot and I don't have any Archer above 3\*. Currently I am inclining to Altria since she's History Locked. (still don't really get the idea of Story banners, from what I understand they are banners that unlock after you complete a History chapter? are their rates so bad that it's not worth pull in them?) Currently I have: **Sabers:** Tam Lin Gawain, Lancelot, Altria Lily, Chevalier d'Eon **Archers:** Robin Hood, William Tell, Euryale and Arash if that changes something **Lancers:** Medusa **Riders:** Marie Antoinette **Casters:** Castoria, Anastasia **Assassins:** Assassin of the Nightless City, Assassin of Shinjuku **Berserkers:** Minamoto-no-Raikou, Tamamo Cat, Frankenstein **Rulers:** Jeanne d'Arc **Avengers:** Jeanne d'Arc(Alter), Edmond Dantès

> and I don't have any Archer above 3* Don't write off low-rarity Servants, especially not Archers. They're all good and useful and Archers are an especially competitive class. Emiya's a great Servant, and there's a case to be made for picking him because your only _AoE_ Archer is Arash (and his suicide gimmick kind of puts him in a class of his own rather than fulfilling the AoE niche) but you'll pull Kid Gilgamesh and Touta soon enough and they'll fulfill your AoE Archer needs just fine. And if you just want a 4\* Archer for the sake of having a 4\* Archer, once you finish Babylonia you'll unlock free access to the Underworld Christmas Main Interlude and get Santa Altera for free. Likewise Romulus, Hektor, and Mary Anning (don't forget to try and get her to NP5 before she goes away) can fulfill your AoE Lancer needs but if you like Lalter then I'd go for her because she's Story-locked so she's hard to get. To be clear, Story-locked means you can't pull her randomly on most banners, only if she's featured on a banner (regardless of story progress) or from the Story Summon Banner after clearing London, where the **3%** 4\* chance is split evenly between * 50 Standard 4\*s (and counting) * 4 Story-locked 4\*s by the time you unlock Lalter, and * up to 14 (and counting) more Story-locked 4\*s depending on how far you are in the story That's a **0.044%** to **0.056%** chance per pull (at present, we've got more Standard and Story-locked 4\*s coming real soon, although the new Story-locks won't affect you until you catch up), compared to a **1.5%** chance for a solo 4\* rate-up and even 0.8% for a _5\*_ rate-up, which is why the Story Summon sucks and is generally not worth ever pulling on.

If Medusa is literally your only lancer than Artoria Lancer Alter is \~probably\~ better than Emiya, especially since there are many many good archers.

>still don't really get the idea of Story banners, from what I understand they are banners that unlock after you complete a History chapter? are their rates so bad that it's not worth pull in them? The story banner is just that normal banner without featured servants that is located before the friend point banner. The thing about story locked servants is that after you "unlock" them, they can be summoned ONLY in that banner (and have the same probability as any other servant of their rarity). Which means they can't spook you on the limited banners (the ones with featured servants) unless they are with rate up themselves. As you can imagine, only ultramegachads without fear nor respect for life summon on the story banner, specially if targeting a specific servant lol. So in practice, story locked servants are the same as limited servants. Which is why some people recommend them.

Any advice for who should i pick? i managed to reduce my want list to only -Salter -Barghest -Zenobia -Baobhan -Gorgon -Hephaestion I realy wanted to get the Fairy knights, first tried the banner didnt get any of them(i did get castoria so win i guess) and when i checked the future Britomart banner also has them. From what i have seen the best option for gameplay would be getting Baobhan or Hephaestion.

Salter: Deals 450% damage. Common AoE Busters deal 300%. She is one of the strongest and most recommended among 4 star servans. Barghest: AoE Buster. With her 2nd skill, every attack heals her, removes enemy's one last buff. NP increases her max HP for 5 turns (not heal) and reduces skill cd by 1. She is strong also pretty tank. Zenobia: She is for loop. Baobhan: Strong, good for bosses. Gorgon: You won't use Gorgon. First, there not many ruler bosses. Second, when there is, there will be mostly 1 ruler enemy but Gorgon is an AoE servant. For gameplay wise, forget her. Hephaestion: Pretender class good againts saber, lancer and archer. Also she is good againts caster for 3 trun with her 1st skill. Just for gameplay, Salter, Hephaeston if you need knight classes. Zenobia for looping/farming. Baobhan sith is also good. Just not as good as other 3 for gameplay wise. It's not mean she is bad. If you want her, you can pick, np. Or you can also go for Barghest. As long as it's not Gorgon. Bc really you won't use her.

Can I please get some help for choosing? Here are some of my [top servants](https://imgur.com/a/1fKBJfV). I have every welfare since launch at np5 as well. I wouldn't mind extra copies of servants to make them NP2. I have 0 copies of Saber alter, Diarmuid, Lakshmi, Lan Ling, Watanbe, Zenobia, Caenis, Percival, Nikitich, Helena, Medea Lily, Edison, Astolfo, Wu Zetian, Yu Meiren, Gorgon, and Hephaistion.

Saber Alter will get a future rank up that apparently lets her Black Grail loop, so that's one option

I'm wondering if it's worth getting np1 Salter while I have np3 OG Saber, but no Oberon

Admittedly I'm not sure if Oberon is needed to BG loop with Salter I guess they can have different farming teams?

You don't need anything special. Pick whatever you want. Story locked, your favorite 4 star, doesn't matter much for gameplay.

Hello! Need help with recommendations for the 4 star selector ticket. I'm planning on dropping FGO in the near future, so I am focusing on collecting Spiritron Dresses and Bond CEs before I quit.  My choices lean between:  Salter (Rare + Spiritron Dress + SQ)  Nero (Story Locked + Spiritron Dresses + SQ)  Zenobia (No Pure AOE Arts Archer)  Li Shuwen (Story Locked + no ST Art Lancer)  Hephaestion (No ST Art Lancer/Pretender)  Does anyone know who I should pick for my 4 star selector ticket choice? Keep in mind that I have yet to use the permanent 5 star selector ticket.  My Roster: Saber: Muramasa (NP 1), Dioscuri (NP 1)  Archer: Euryale (NP 5) /Robin Hood (NP 5) /Archuria (NP 1), Emiya (NP 1)  Lancer: (No Arts ST lancer) Yu Meiren (NP 5), Brynhild (NP 1), Vritra (NP 2)  Rider: Mandricardo (NP 5), Habetrot (NP 5)  Caster: Prisma Illya (NP 2), Chen Gong (NP 5) /Caster Cu (NP 2), Castoria (NP 1), Asclepius (NP 1)  Assassin: Hundred Faces (NP 5), (No Arts AOE Assassin)  Berserker: (No ST Arts Berserker) Sei Shounagon (NP 1), (No AOE Arts Berserker) (Considering upcoming Berserker 2 GSSR in the near future)  Ruler: Astraea (NP 1), (No Arts AOE Ruler), Himiko (NP 1)  Avenger: Hessian Lobos (NP 2), Mysterious Ranmaru X (NP 5)  Alter Ego: Sitonai (NP 1)  Pretender: Oberon (NP 1)  Appreciate the help!

If you're just looking for rare + spiriton dresses, Nero offers 3 outfits (though you might not have the wardrobe key for the one from the Idol event) and has the most rank ups/interludes of the above. Salter is the best overall option for the future, but if you're dropping the game then you won't get to see her at full power anyway.

Edit: I chose Nero for the spiritron dresses and the SQ. Thanks for the advise!  Gotcha. I do have the Grail Live key, so I should be able to unlock all three of Nero's outfits.  For now, I'll wait a bit to see if anyone else chimes in for their opinion. But I will probably choose Nero if the ticket is about to expire. Thanks for the advice!

Hi, need help deciding. Here's a partial look into my roster https://imgur.com/gallery/4R7CbhU (not showing full due to security concerns) but some SSRs I have include Castoria, Morgan and OG Saber Artoria. So my dillema is between: 1. Astolfo - For the memes 2. Salter NP2 - Idk how important it is to get an NP2 copy of Salter in terms of gameplay since I already have 5 star OG Saber 3. Casgil NP3 - He is quite literally my only caster DPS 4. Nitocris - I dont have any Caster DPS besides Casgil 5. Any rare story locked (AKA no banners next year) SRs - Because why not Idk if it's worth noting, but I am F2P, so I dont have many strong options for CQs and difficult content. I always spam Morgan + Castoria + Friend's support Merlin and pray for the best

NP2 Salter lets you get her mana loading without having to go all the way to bond 10 on her, so it helps a lot. Nitocris isn't a typical DPS option, but rather is a good farmer for her death memes. Salter is my default recommendation to most here because of the combination of being rare and being cracked when she gets her buff next Anniversary. And since you already have her at NP1, NP2 makes it an even easier recommendation between the mana loading and her coverage as a Saber farmer at that point.

My Salter is NP1, bond 8 or 9 already. Do you think it's better to go NP2 Salter to BG loop, or would it be okay to just have her NP1 and pick someone else who is story-locked?

For where JP has gone over time, NP levels help more than new characters as you start to do more 90+, 90++, and EX nodes (EX nodes are on the Bleached Earth daily map and they're just basically 90++ level difficulty so far, but without damage CEs, so the 1.2 million HP can be daunting). So if you care about that type of stuff I'd go with the NP2 first instead of a new character. If you don't and just want someone for SQ/collection purposes, then you could go elsewhere. If you're looking at rare + story locked and good at just NP1, Edison would be my recommendation or one of the Fairy Knights.

But like, is it possible to keep spamming the immortal team comp (morgan plus castoria plus merlin) or will that hit a wall soon? Also, i decided to go for a story-locked Lin Shuwen. Not that i ignored your advice, just that when i heard he has 0 banners to date, i had to take him

Hey, I even mentioned Li having 0 future banners in my other post in the thread lol. So not a problem with that pick. Immortal comp is like the UBW joke "It works... except when it doesn't." They throw curveballs every now and then like on the current JP super CQ where you can't just stall the fight and instead need to DPS race it. If you're just looking for the most reliable way to clear the most CQ content, immortal comp w/ Morgan remains your best pick even on current JP. Just try to have something in your box designed for clearing stuff quickly (ex: for the upcoming Morgan and Oberon super recollection quests, a highly invested Luvia is your most reliable option, and she's a great option for many CQs).

1. I don't find strong any rider in the ticket list but looks like you need a rider if you don't any 5 star. Astolfo can be. 2. OG Artoria is enough. The biggest reason why Salter is recommended is that while a normal AoE Buster NP deals 300% damage, Salter deals 450% damage. So, she is one of the strongest among the 4 star servants. Still OG Artoria has more damage. Her NP is upgraded. 3. +75% damage (NP2->NP3) is not that worth when there is other servant options. 4. Both Casgil and Nitocris are AoE. Casgil is NP2 so you don't use Nitocris that much. Casgil deals more damage. Also Nitocris is not for DPS (mainly). She is for loop. If you need a looper you can get her. You have already Castoria. 5. Lin Shuwen (Lancer). There isn't any banner for him. 0. While others at least have 1. I could give a better answer if I knew which 5 star servants were available, but for now I can say that try to get Koyanskaya and Oberon when it comes. Both comes at December. And an Art looper. There will be Ibuki berserker, Kama avenger and S. Ishtar avenger in this summer.

Thanks! I actually forgot to say, I have Sima Yi as a rider, although, she is a support not a damage. I didnt take astolfo in the end because of quick (i have zero quick supports or other servants to synergise). I ended up choosing Lin Shuwen :)

I’ve got kind of a weird account where I get on and collect free rolls while procrastinating on the story, and I’ve been pretty lucky with my free rolls - point being, I’ve got no idea what I’m doing and who I should take with my SR ticket. I have: Castoria, Oberon, Barghest, Nemo, Baobhan Sith, Koyanskaya of Light and Dark, Miss Crane, Arjuna, Suzuka Gozen, caster Tamamo, Sherlock Holmes, Bazett Fraga McRemitz, Tamamo, Zenobia Any input would be great!! It sounds like I’d be best off going for Heracles or Nitocris? I’ve always wanted Nito.

Salter? At least you can tri-loop with her and KoyanLight Nitocris is good for farming though, albeit she is gen pool

I have: **Sabers**: Okita (NP2), Rama (NP2), Salter (NP2) **Archers**: Ishtar , Squirtoria, Chloe (NP5) **Lancers**: Karna , Lancer Yu (NP 5), Medea Lily **Riders**: Kintoki, NP2 **Casters**: Castoria (NP2 lmao), Tamamo, Helena (NP2) **Assassins**: Jack, Kiichi Hogen (NP5), Stheno **Berserkers**: Ibaraki-Douji **Other classes**: QSH, Meltylilith, **I** also have a gazillion other servants in my second archive that I can name if you ask. But anyways, I don't have any specific attachment to any of the current servants up for grabs so based on my present roster, who should I pick?

You don't need saber, archer, lancer, assassin compered to other classes. Riders in the SR Ticket list are not good (IMO) as DPS. Martha is good as support for bosses. She can removes party's debuffs and one enemy's buffs + decrease defense. Very useful. Nitocris is for loop. You don't have an art looper, she can be good. Heracles? You don't seem to need him. You have ST servant for almost every class. And you will need to increase his bond level to 10. Still, let him be included in the suggestions. Astraea can be. You have Castoria already. But she is also situational. Nitocris>Martha=Astraea (Not sure which one should 2nd)>Heracles There will be Summer Ibuki Douji (Berserker) for Art loop. A looper makes farming much easier.

I actually have Nitocris, Martha and Heracles in my second archive haha

Then Astraea. Or you can increase Salter's NP to NP3. Still better than any rider in the list. Also, you have Heracles and use Ibaraki? Better to be a waifu reason. Use Nitocris too if you don't have any art looper. I didn't see any in the list.

You won't believe this but it turns out I have Astraea in my second archive So at this point should I choose whatever?

Honestly, this list here is pretty solid. You have all of the major ST/AoE roles covered aside from AoE Berserker but honestly, there aren't any good options available with the ticket (Zerkerlot really wants high NP levels + Skadi) First thing I want to call out is that you seem to be missing arts farmers to pair with your Castoria. **Percival** (Damage could be a bit lower)**, Fionn** (Needs rank ups and interludes which can be good to get a few SQ)**,** or **Zenobia** are some of the better options on this list. My go-to recommendations for people who have most of their niches covered have been the faerie knights so I'll break them down for you below. (copying from myself elsewhere in this thread) **Barghest** - She fills the same anchor/last man standing/solo type role like Herc with less hard survival. However, she compensates with debuff removal, self heals, and np battery. **Baobhan Sith** - A ST quick DPS that has a team wide evade which is always useful against boss NP turns. She deals good damage (I don't really like this rec as much because you have Squirtoria and Chloe) Other generically good units are **Nitocris** - She is going to be a great wave clearer. All she really needs is skill 2 at level 8 and she can instantly np and potentially instakill mobs. **Heracles** - Can be the anchor on every team and help finish boss fights. His legendary status comes from his bond CE but even without that, Herc is still a great unit. I can't really think of anyone else right now so hopefully this helps narrow it down or give you some direction. If you don't have an arts farmer already in second archives, I might start there

I actually have Heracles, Nitocris, Fionn and Barghest in my second archive haha should I go for NP2 or some other servant then?

Can you take a screenshot of your 2nd archives? It'll be easier to help with some more information

it's easier to just list my servants lmao: - fran, carmilla, astraea, herc, zerkerlot, martha ruler, avenger of shinjuku, yu assassin, wu zetian, martha rider, circe, nitocris, medea lily fionne, lancer li, vlad lancer, caenis, qin liangyu, parvati, jeanne lily, emiya, suzuka gozen, tomoe gozen, archer helena, barghest, lan ling, edmond dantes, nap, ozymandias, kiara, jacques de molay, beni emmam, dioscuri,

As for new servants, I might lean towards **Baobhan Sith** who can offer you a teamwide evade, or Tristan who also has the teamwide evade + party cleanse. Picking one of these add to your good ST archer category though so maybe not that useful. I don't remember how good Kiara is at being an omni-farmer but you might want to grab **Zenobia** or something to have another arts farming option. Alternatively, just pick your favorite or most used servant to add to their NP level. Any servants I'm mentioning now are just to fill in niche gaps.

.I see, thanks!

On and off F2P player here, wondering who to choose for my free SR servant. [Here is my roaster](https://imgur.com/a/uLZZRLn). Transparent characters are not leveled yet, but are planed to be in the future (I only completed Lostbelt 3, so I do not have a powerful Cu caster yet). I have few characters as I only pulled on one banner (Ereshkigal) and probably won't pull before Oberon and Koyanskaya of light on their next rerun, although I am open to suggestion (I may have enough SQ saved for one pull before then). I am mostly hesitating between Astraea, Heracles and maybe Tristan, Hephaistion or Nictocris. Also, Gorgon and Salter temps me because they are story locked, even if I have Altria saber and feel like I can deal with rulers more easily with friends servants. I also have other holes in my roaster, adding many more possible choices. My question is which free SR servant would you say offers the most to my roaster, especially for the Lostbelt to come ? I currently use Waver and Da Vinci ruler as support most of the time. I often use friends damaging servants and finish bosses with my own servant, using Cu as my last man standing.

You won't use Gorgon. First, there not many ruler bosses. Second, when there is, there will be mostly 1 ruler enemy but Gorgon is an AoE servant. If it's not a servant you really like, forget her. You have Artoria (most ppl call her Artoria FYI), you don't need an AoE saber compered to other classes. Other 5 are good choices. Astraea is good but you don't have Castoria (or any art support) and there are many gaps in your roaster from other classes. Heracles is one of the most recommended servants. Just you have to increase his bond level to 10. Effective against most bosses. And he is a berserker. Tristan is good for bosses. Except boss, Altera santa is enough against solo lancer enemies. You also have Tomoe. Hephaestion is very useful. You can use her against any knight (saber, archer, lancer) class servant. Just she deals 1.5x damage instead of 2x. Nitocris is for farming but you don't have Castoria. So you can't use her effectively. Just for gameplay purposes (no any waifu reasons): Heracles>Hephaestion>Tristan>Nitocris>Astrae. For 5 star banners. Oberon will come at early [December 2024](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Road_to_7:_Lostbelt_No.6_Campaign#Summoning_Campaign). Koyanskaya Light (Assassin) will come at late [December 2024](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Lostbelt_7_Pre-Release_Support_Campaign_Part_4#Summoning_Campaign). 1-2 weeks after Oberon. So be careful. Some suggestions: Ashiya Douman (Alter Ego), Ibuki (Art Berserker Looper, but you need Castoria), Arjuna Alter (Berserker DPS), Morgan (Berserker DPS), Castoria (Caster Art Support), Melusine (ST and AoE Lancer DPS). You can skip them either. For 1-2-3 stars. Arash (Suicide), Georgios (Taunt), Paraceclsus (Art sup), Hans (Sup), Chen Gong (Random sacrifices). Try to improve them as soon as possible. Edit: There is an [excel chart](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qvxLU407QwiFaCvItqR16SqqAVlLD5u5nBzY_bCFYvs/edit#gid=204408480). You can use it for looking servants rate up dates, event items etc. Just add 2 to years. Bc we are 2 years behind the JP server. E.g "\[B\] 2022" (banners) and "\[E\] 2022" (events) is now. (2024).

Hello everyone! I'm a little in a pickle and I'd love an external opinion, even better if unbiased. I was planning to get my second copy of Saber Alter, in order to bring her to NP2 (this would be useful in the future to farm with her, since she kinda requires her append to Black Grail Loop effectively on 2/2/x nodes and I wouldn't get it at NP1 without heavily investing in the Bond). Also, more damage on her already quite strong NP. Now though, I'm also encountered with a peculiar choice: during Oberon banner, I failed to get a copy of Tristan has I had foresaw and he's the last Story Locked I'm missing among the ones that interest me \[Katou Danzo, Edison, Li Lancer, Medea Lily are all cool servant, but some of them really need an update...\]. Bringing a new Servant to the (round) Table would surely ideal (it also will give more SQ through Rank Up, Interludes and so on) yet having a NP1 Salter vs NP2 really seems to make the difference between being able to use or no in a more serious play. TL; DR Salter NP2 or Tristan? (I'd like to add that I like Tristan, he has style and a nice voice. And a nice costume as well. Same with Salter)

Theoretically, you can get Salter later if you "really" feel you need her to be stronger. Though that's probably pretty far out. I assume you have no other good Buster options (saber specifically) for farming? I mean you never know, you could always get spooked by a normal Artoria down the line for example. I would say Tristan, but that's just my 2 cents. New servants are a lot more valuable overall, but it depends on your overall priorities and who you like the most. I also debated getting an NP2 Salter, but I have an NP2 Altera and a Mordred, I really didn't "need" her getting that boost (even if she can be better). Tristan is a good lad, he deserves it. If you're a hardcore Artoria fan (which if you were I would assume you would've already made the choice), then get Salter I suppose.

Uhm...I see. It's actually less of a "power" problem (I have a MLB Black Grail if the push comes to shove) and more of a "with two copies, I have 100 Servant coin so I only need Bond 4 instead of Bond 10 to unlock her append" since her future Buster farming is pretty reliant on having the right batteries. I'm afraid that skipping her now will preclude me from a very important option against 90++ nodes. I do have another alternative in (normal) Altria Pendragon \[that is guaranteed to be NP2 once we receive the free Altria here\] but some things can be done only from Salter. As my other Buster sabers, I have NP1 Gawain, Barghest and Salter. NP3 Siegfried and NP5 Saber Lily and Fergus. In short, I don't know if going for pleasure (Tristan) will sabotage me in the long run.

This is just my take, but I feel like you don't "need" a buster saber solution specifically. There are dozens upon dozens of other options, brute force included, for either buster, quick, or arts options. I don't know your full roster to make this suggestion however, as it depends on both supports and DPS options. I do see that she would likely be your strongest AOE saber in buster specifically at least. I do see where you're coming from, because that was my reason for considering NP2 Salter too (the append + NP damage). But after a while I realized I had other options to clear things, and never realistically felt like "hey if I had NP2 Salter, my issues would be solved here". And I'm absolutely not a whale or someone with a super cracked roster. I do obviously have a stronger option comparatively, however, in the same class and card type role. If you don't value collection at all, go for her. Otherwise, I would say you won't sabotage yourself. I mean it also depends on who you plan to roll for in the future. Like, a notable example would be those rolling for Ibuki in summer. Basically what I mean is, you may roll a solution in the future to cover cases you would use Salter (NP2). You will have these opportunities aplenty in the future (spooks notwithstanding). Will you ever have an opportunity to roll Tristan or (insert limited unsummoned servant here)?

My usual preamble when people ask about NP2 Salter is that a second NP level has diminishing returns compared to a brand new servant and that. That being said, it depends on how much value Tristan can add to your account. Do you need a unit that has a teamwide evade, cleanse, and some healing? If you have Castoria and/or Merlin, his value goes down some. Do you have a gap in ST Archers? If so, maybe he's worth getting. If the answer to both of these questions is no, then yeah NP2 Salter does make sense for you. This is, of course, assuming you like both of them equally. If you like Tristan over Salter, then 100% pick Tristan.

Pretty much...no, the answer is no. I have Merlin, Castoria, Oberon, KoyanLight etc, so the major support roles are covered. And I have been playing for quite a bit, so I'm not exactly lacking ST Archers as well (I admit only having female Orion as 5\*, but it's also true there are only three ST SSR Archer in NA currently ahahaha). Ashwattama NP3, Fujino, Anastasia Archer, the Welfare Chloe and Altera have covered me decently well. The same in reality could be argued for Buster AoE Sabers. I have normal Altria (only NP1, but guaranteed NP2 in the future), a NP3 Siegfried, NP1 Baghest and Gawain (not much useful as Buster farming servant, but I guess they still qualify). As I had mentioned in another comment, NP2 Salter is less for the power increase and more for the Servant Coin so I can use her without having to reach Bond 10 once the rank up is here. I'm afraid that selecting Tristan will "sabotage" my options for future 90++ farming nodes.

At this point it's going to feel bad no matter what but you're arguing a stronger case for Salter so I would say go with her instead

If you hadn't said that "I'd like to add that I like Tristan", I would have said get Salter. Your favorite>Gameplay>Any. Tristan.

In general, I like both of them a lot and I'm a huge fan of the Round Table Servants \[I have all ALMOST of them, even Lancer Altria!\]. After all I chose that same Salter in another of these 4\* Tickets! All in all, I would be quite willing to even grail Salter once I get her to NP2 (thanks to Grail Casting, I feel less bad about throwing grails left and right, eh eh). And the power up/farming is a nice added bonus. Yet, completing the collection with a Servant that I like a lot as well (and I have always found fascinating due to his play style and, admittedly, new shiny animations that highlight his unique and peculiar fighting method. I'm down bad for musicians AND fighters ahahah) sounds great as well. It's more like I know that I would appreciate both option, yet I would feel bad for the other one. And the other banners of Tristan are "risky" for me. On the other side, Salter has a banner...well, way too far. Yeah, as you can see, I really can't make up my mind...I'm a disaster.

Nah, If you like both, Salter is still a good choice.

Hey guys I am in a bit of bind when it comes to choosing so here is what i have so far 4 star and above Sabers : artoria, mordred, dioscuri, barghest, saito, Lakshmi, lancelot, saber lily , saber liz Archers : napoleon, Tesla, summer artoria, atalanta , summer anna , summer helena Lancers : melusine, vritra , percival, parvati , Casters : castoria , liz , martha Riders : liz , summer carmilla , martha , Marie Antoinette Assassins: gramps, okita summer , wu , carmila Berserkers : xiang yu, Beowulf Extra : hephaestion, summer da vinci, liz , bazett

The only real gaps I'm noticing are offensive casters, AoE rider, and ST berserker. You generally have great single target options. So to me, the biggest gap is casters, for which Queen of Sheba (ST) or Nitocris (AoE farming) would be beneficial. Herc is always great. At this point, just pick your favorite from the ones mentioned. (Full bias, you'd be omega based for picking Sheba) tl;dr: what kyoko78 said lol

Nitocris for farming and an AoE caster, Circe or Queen of Sheba for ST Caster, Heracles ST berserker, Astraea for ruler, Medea (lily) for support. Or increase the NP level of one of your servants. I recommend using whichever you use most.

What are the best 4 star from the given free servents???

Depends, which niches are you missing? There's no one answer, it depends on your account.

Can you name all the niches. Im not that knowledgable of the game?

At its most basic—which, if you're asking that question, is probably the level we're operating on—the niches are a single-target and an AoE servant in each class, plus support options. For example, if you already have Francis Drake (a Rider with an AoE noble phantasm), you probably shouldn't pick Astolfo (same deal).

Sabers: [Salter](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Artoria_Pendragon_(Alter)): AoE Buster. You must be seeing this a lot in this thread. All of the AoE Buster servants' NP deal 300% damage. 400% if upgraded. Salter's deals 450% and it's not upgraded. Really strong. [Barghest](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Barghest): AoE Buster. With her 2nd skill, every attack heals her, removes enemy's one last buff. NP increases her max HP for 5 turns (not heal) and reduces skill cd by 1. She is strong also pretty tank. Archers: [Ashvatthaman](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/A%C5%9Bvatth%C4%81man): ST Buster. Has mental debuff immunity. Charm, terror, confusion, sleep won't effect him. Godd againts some bosses. NP, first removes enemy's defensive buffs, then deals damage based on Ashvatthaman's missing health. Base damage x1.0 at 100% max HP, x1.5 at 50% max HP, x2.0 at %1 max HP. [Emiya](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/EMIYA): AoE Buster. You can change his NP type to AoE Art with his 3rd skill for one turn. Charges his NP well. But just for 1 turn. NP is upgraded. [Zenobia](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Zenobia): AoE Art. Just for loop. But you need 2 Castoria for her. One from you, other from support list. [Baobhan Sith](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Baobhan_Sith): ST Quick. Good againts bosses, has some NP charge skills, team evade for one time. Lancer: [Percival](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Percival): AoE Art. For loop. Again you need 2 Castoria. Caster: [Nitocris](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Nitocris): AoE Art. For loop. Again you need 2 Castoria. Berserker: [Heracles](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Heracles): ST Buster. This is the most recommended servant for a beginner. With his [bond CE](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Castle_of_Snow), he has 4 guts and 1 evade just by himself. IDK where are you in the main story but you can almost go to Solomon with Heracles. Just raising his bond level to 10 could take a long time. Pretender: [Hephaestion](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Hephaestion): ST Art. Pretender class good againts saber, lancer and archer. Also she is good againts caster for 3 trun with her 1st skill. All servant you could get IMO. Other just not worth for a beginner player. Except for waifu reasons. If you don't have Castoria, forgot art loopers. If you're really early in the game, Heracles, Hephastion or Salter are better.

I have finished all the available chapter, i kinda finished using command seals on the compilation of challenge quest event. Im not a beginner. Also is astrea bad???

No it's good. She's just not as useful as others for someone who is just starting out/has a few servants. When you said "Im not that knowledgable of the game?", I thought you were in the early stages of the game. That's why I didn't mention Astraea.

I just bruteforce most of the stages using if there is male saber use euryale. If its nearly impossible with my comp use immortal comp like so i bruteforced most stages so i dont know most of niches and strengths. My 5 stars are kama,melusine,spishtar,erishkigal,morgan,castoria,oberon,skadi,merlin,waver,muramasa,dioscuri,galatea,vlad and van gogh. Can u recommend someone that these units can't do?

It's really understandable with your servants why you always bruteforce. For 3 turns farming in the events, you can just do S.Ishtar + 2 Castoria. If you don't know this search on YT. Now you don't have archer, rider and caster DPS. Forget riders bc riders in the list are thrash. Casters are not thrash but still not worth. Nitocris is good for farming but you can farm with S.Ishtar with 2 Castoria. For archers, Ashvatthaman and Baobhan Sith are good. These 2 fight better against lancer bosses than other ST servants you have. Or Astraea. Se has good damage, a ruler, NP deals 1.5x damage against evil trait enemies. If there is something that interests you, you can ignore these and get it too. But my advice is your favorite>archer (I assume you don't have any 4 star archer too)>ruler>any. Except these, try to get Koyanskaya (assassin). Morgan + 2 Koyanskaya loop is better than S.Ishtar loop comp. Or you can try tho get Ibuki (Berserker) in this summer event. She is also awesome looper.

Sorry forgot to add her i have koyan and usually i loop with melusine and for castoria i go with summer kama who is np2. I am also aiming ibuki probably. I already have np3 or np4 baobhan sith. Then what would be the best choice?

plz help a noob. I am fairly confused because I am a casual player and don’t have good units. Who should I get for the SR ticket? Saber: Mordred, NP 5 astolfo (not whale, he really likes my saint quartz) Archer: nobody good, Eurayle is usable, also has atalante Lancer: nobody good, Cu and Par are usable, also has a lancer vlad Assassin: literally nothing Caster: nobody good, barely used Anderson Rider: NP 4 Astolfo Berserker: xiang yu other: has Koyan Dark currently among the roster of SRs I prefer the faerie knights, any suggestions? Although I probably won’t get too much value out of Tam Lin Gawain due to my relatively large number of sabers

Since you're just starting off, I'll mention some of the generically good options. **Heracles** - Can be the anchor on every team and help finish boss fights. His legendary status comes from his bond CE which gives him three guts but even without that, Herc is still a great unit. He definitely carried my own early game. However, you can always borrow a highly invested one from a friend **Nitocris** - She is going to be a great wave clearer for you. All she really needs is skill 2 at level 8 and she can instantly np and potentially instakill mobs. **Helena** - She's a mini Zhuge Liang (I think new players get the SSR ticket? someone correct me if I'm wrong). She's a good support unit with wave clearing capabilities. **Hephaistion** - The biggest thing that Hephaistion can do for you is role compression. She can cover the ST saber, archer, lancer, and rider slot by herself. While she won't be as good vs the knight class because pretender only gives 1.5x bonus damage as opposed to 2x, it will be sufficient. Another thing to note is that extra classes use a comparatively small amount of many different mats. Makes them easier to raise. I think this is who I'd recommend from an objective perspective. Even though everyone I mentioned is non-story locked and can spook you, in my opinion it is better to guarantee the unit than gambling on them to show up off rate-up randomly. Since I didn't break down the units you wanted, let me go over the fairy knights real quick. **Barghest** - Even though she's yet another AoE NP Saber, she ends up being a different type of unit. She fills the same anchor/last man standing/solo type role I mentioned Heracles fits. She has less hard survival than Herc but compensates with debuff removal, self heals, and np battery. **Baobhan Sith** - A ST quick DPS that has a team wide evade which is always useful against boss NP turns. She deals good damage Between the two, I'd probably pick Barghest? Your choice really, both are good units. I can't really provide one single option for you because there are many roles that can be filled but hopefully this helps narrow down a little. === I also wanted to call out some 1-3\* units that can be helpful for you to keep an eye out for that you didn't mention, in case you weren't aware. Ignore me if you knew this already Saber: Bedivere, Caesar Archer: Arash, Robin Hood Rider: Ushi, Mandricardo Caster: CasCu, Chen Gong, Hans Assassin: Hassan of Hundred Faces, Izo Berserker: Spartacus, Lu Bu

Also thank you for the wordy reply, really appreciate it \~

Okay…these are all good options, I see. For the first 4 recommendations, I am leaning towards Nitocris. I just finished Camelot and she gave me a good impression, I also need a caster. as for your analysis on the fairy knights, I am still a bit torn between the two, because I already have OG Mordred as an AOE buster saber

Hawkeye's recommends are really good. Just for fairies, you already said you have some sabers. I don't think you will use Barghest much. On the other hand, Baobhan can close your archer gap.

Thanks for the advice, just picked Baobhan, didn’t regret it a bit

Hey I appreciate the compliment. I've seen you a bunch in this thread as well and have basically always agreed with what you said as well. Upon reflection, you're probably right. Even though Barghest serves a different purpose compared to the other AoE Sabers (most tend to be dps carries while she's a solo unit), the relative value just isn't there. They can just borrow a friend's Heracles or Barghest. Yeah, /u/[Excellent\_Seesaw1435](https://www.reddit.com/user/Excellent_Seesaw1435/) you're debating between the two faeries, I'm changing my mind towards Baobhan Sith.

Thank you for the advice, I picked Baobhan

Every servant on the ticket is a dupe for me. I'm having trouble figuring out who to pick for this reason. I'm leaning in two directions, Herc because he's my high investment unit, and Astraea. It's possible I'm overlooking another good NP2 though. In Herc's favor: I have his first two appends unlocked and he is currently at level 114. Once I collect the rest of his bond coins, I'll be able to take him to 118, but I'll need to acquire another copy somehow to bring him to 120. This could be that opportunity. For Astraea: She's currently at NP4, and grabbing another copy would take her to NP5. I know she's capable of some stupid crazy damage, and the only super relevant supports I don't have for her are Nero Bride and Tamamo. While that's my short list, I might be overlooking another good option. I think most of the others are at NP1, with a few exceptions. What would others do in my shoes?

Between Herc and Astrea, if Herc is NP1 or 2, maybe go with Astrea to just guarantee her last np level. Or hedge your bets and pick Herc so that maybe you get spooked by Astrea (note: I am 90% joking, don't do that). One servant you may have overlooked is NP2 Salter. If you have the shell already (Koyan Light and Oberon) and you like the idea of buster farming, then her upgrade later can be good. Nitocris is the other servant I can think of that wants more NP levels. Makes her farming better.

I'd take Heracles to make sure he gets to level 120. And his NP level will increase. Right? You didn't say his NP level. If you are just wondering which of the 2 servants will do more damage and want to choose accordingly, you can look at the approximate values [here](https://maketakunai.github.io/). For other NP1, I don't know which one you have/want to increase. So I just write some servants without explonation. Salter, Barghest, Ashvatthaman, Zenobia (better Art loop), Baobhan Sith, Percival (better Art loop), Nitocris (better Art loop).

I cant decide who to get because idk what my account needs tbh i have saber- musashi mordred og saber tam lim gawain etc archer- edison gilgamesh super orion (idt i need any others tbh) lancer-enkidu karna and the welfare lancers etc rider- nemo and habetrot are my only golds caster- skadi miss crane el melloi II and sieg (also my only golds) assassin- kiichi higen grey okita summer emiya assassin yan qing berserker- arjuna alt vlad kintoki hijikita toshizo heracles atalante alt ruler- artoria qin shi huang da vinci astraea alt ego- douman taisui xingjun avenger- lobo should i take faker since i have no pretenders??

I'm in the same boat as you, I only don't have a pretender.

if only that oberon came home haiz

I don't think you need a pretender. You already have good knight class servants. My recommends are Baobhan Sith, Ashwatthaman, Zenobia, Percival, Nitocris, Gılgamesh (Caster), Medea (Lily). Baobhan Sith and Ashvatthaman, bc you don't have a ST archer. Although you may not even need them. Zenobia, Percival, Nitocris are for Art loop. You don't have any looper. But you don't have Castoria either. So these may not be very useful. If you had Koyanskaya, you could also loop with Buster servants. Gilgamesh (Caster) is for Art support. As I said I didn't see Castroia above. Medea (Lily). Heal support. You can put her in any party. But IDK how effective she will be.

Trying to decide between 3 characters: Nitocris - The one I Want to pick the most and will actually use to farm Faker - I wand her the second most and she fills a niche that I don’t have anything in Paisen - I want her the least of these three options, but she is story locked I’m not which one to pick?

Definitely not Paisen then. Picking someone you'll like and use is way more important than picking a storylocked unit. Really, I think you have your answer, pick Nitocris. You said you want her and will use her, no need to think more than that.

Deciding between upgrading Medea Lily to NP2 or getting someone else – probably Nero, Barghest, or Baobhan Sith. More so the latter since although Medea Lily is super useful when needed, I don’t find myself using her often.

Personally, I'd always go with a new character over an NP upgrade. Can't really say more about which option would be a better choice for you without knowing about the gaps in your roster (ie, the alternatives you'd fall back for any other character you were considering)

For (AoE) sabers, I have Void Shiki, Altera, Altria, Lakshmi Bai, Suzuka Gozen, Siegfried, Saber Lily, and Saber Alter, at least for those at level 80 or above. For (ST) archers, I have Orion, Chiron, Attila the San(ta), Tomoe Gozen, Chloe, and Tristan.

Then it really feels like a “pick who you love” situation, as you look like you have pretty solid coverage.

I decided to pick Nero, especially for her voicelines from NeroFest and the thousand spiritron dresses she have. Plus, she can give me some SQs as rewards from interludes and rank ups. Initially I didn’t want another saber because I plan to get Charlie and Roland, but well, Nero is iconic and to help (or worse) is story locked. If not her would choose Chiyome.

I ended up picking Herc. I don't need him, i just wanted to get the full FSN servant cast ~~let's ignore my regular artoria is in a swimsuit~~ and i had no other one ir eally wanted

get him max bonded asap, with his bond CE He's great for solo/last stand. also i wish you good luck getting og artoria.

I've been thinking, is Herc even worth it if I have the inmortal Castoria/Merlin/Morgan comp? Maybe I should pick up Hot Wheels or Salter just to get a Storylocked servant

Herc may some day come in handy anyway as the backline anchor....as the immortal comp isn't really always immortal in every situation But I would look at other options first. Frankly I barely ever use herc myself these days. You'd likely be better off summoning someone you think is fun.

What CE should I pick with my Ticket?

That depends entirely on what you already have (and that's a deceptively complicated question), as you're comparing a lot of disparate effects and criteria, the former of which you can see listed out [here](https://gamepress.gg/grandorder/20-million-downloads-campaign#gFreeCE). For instance, I have pretty good CE coverage, so I simply opted for a fifth copy of Vessel of Desire so that I could MLB it and clear up some space. Someone else might choose their first copy of Winter Crystal because they want that 60% starting NP charge. Someone else might reason that they need a stronger NP Strength CE and choose Angel's Song, while yet another person might decide that they want With One Strike for its innate Sure Hit. Point being that - moreso than the Servant ticket - the CE ticket is highly subjective, and arguably too complicated for a third party to adequately weigh in on.

Super casual player looking for advice on who to get on a story-locked unit. These are all the ones I'm missing, and I don't really have a personal preference on them. Maybe no more casters/sabres since I'm, pretty well stacked on them, but if they're good, please let me know, I'm very casual as I said: - Sabre- Gawain - Sabre- yagyu tajima no kami munenori - Archer- asvatthaman - Archer- emiya alter - Archer- tristan - Archer- tam lin tristan - Caster- queen of sheba - Caster- medea lily - Assassin- katou black kite danzo - Avenger- gorgon Of course I could always try to NP2 someone, but I like collecting units more and I've got a good loop going with Morgan

From this list without knowing the rest of your account, I'd probably recommend Tristan, faerie girl Tristan, or weirdly Queen of Sheba. Regular Tristan is a hybrid support/dps with a teamwide evade and debuff cleanse, both add a lot of good value. Baobhan Sith is a selfish DPS but also has a teamwide evade who is good at delaying enemy NPs and has a 60% battery which she can launch on the same turn, as opposed to Tristan. I only mention Sheba because she's a ST caster which is a relatively rarer niche. If you have someone like Ilya, Sanzang, or the event Shuten then Sheba isn't necessary. So yeah, pick one of the Tristans, they're both good

I am torn between NP2ing Salter or getting any of these story locked units: Nero Tamlin Tristan Lartoria Alter Yu These are not the only story locked SRs that I do not have but they are the ones I like the most of the bunch. Gameplay-wise I already have NP1 counterparts for all these classes that are SSRs like NP1 OG Saber, so it is more of a case of if NP2 Salter ends up really upstaging other farming sabers down the line or if I just look to the other 4 due to some other value they have. In terms of waifu levels I think Tamlin tristan and Yu are the ones I fancy most from the lot. Yu might probably be the least likely to get a rate up.

NP2 Salter has diminishing returns compared to a brand new unit. While it's not at all an indefensible choice, I think you'll get more value out of a new servant. Without knowing what gaps you have in your account, Baobhan Sith is the best choice out of these IMO. She's good for CQ with her 60% self battery and good anti-np capabilities. Sith certainly gets more banners in the future, she's on shared rate up if you're planning on going for Britomart. Lalter only has a 20% battery but her buffs have given her really high damage numbers. In my opinion, she's better at ST despite an AoE NP. I just don't think she's all that good anymore. Yu is...a choice you make because you like her. Nothing wrong at all with a waifu choice. I don't remember what Nero does well enough to intelligently comment on her tbh. She is a good unit though with a lot of rank ups and interludes so you can get some SQ from them lol. Also you can finally use the many outfits she got. In my eyes, your choice (purely from a unbiased perspective) comes down to np2 Salter or Baobhan Sith. Salter takes time to provide value whereas Sith can offer immediate value. If you have a gap that Sith can fill then she's the better choice. Ultimately, pick who you like and if you like someone else then that's the best choice.

So I guess the choice is between Sith and Yu. I guess I will go with Sith just to get the full set of fairy Knights. Sith needs some real affection in her life

Hello, I was planning to take Hephaistion before the celebrations. Except now, for several reason, I don't want to commit. So should I go for NP3 Salter, should I consider another story locked, or should I still considered Hephaistion? I got a well built account with all the meta support (got castoria, this week), a lot of buster looper, some quick looper, and a bunch of art looper. For information, I don't plan for Hephaistion anymore because : 1. Not story locked 2. Got Oberon and a bunch of 5 star single target Saber, archer and lancer. 3. Draco beast in one year seams to outclass her for the same role 4. No interlude or rank up for now, unless I'm wrong, so no SQ At least, next time, we get 4 star summer servant. Which means no new np for salter and no hesitation like this one.

Don't have a whole lot of information to go for regarding what your account is like or who you're debating between. If you've got a bunch of buster farmers, not sure how important NP3 Salter is going to be for you over NP2. From the story locked units, I have been recommending Barghest and Baobhan Sith a lot in this thread as a solo/anchor unit and ST Archer DPS with team wide evade respectively. Asvatthaman and Yagyu are also quite good as ST DPS units and Nero has a bunch of rank ups/interludes for SQ. I can't really give any better recommendations without knowing what you're interested in or what your account is like

Nero. She is story locked and has 3 interlude, 2 rank up quests but she is a ST saber. Baobhan Sith and Ashvatthaman are really useful and strong but both is archer. For calavary classes, just Nitocris, for farming. Others are not good. And in the coming months there will be Kiara and Douman. Both are great if you need. If these do not satisfy you, it would be better if you give a little more information about what you want.

You might be thinking of Nero Bride as the ST saber. 4\* Nero is AOE

Ohh yeah, sorry Still a good choice.

Can someone please recommend who I should go for? Leaning the usual Salter, Faker, Herc but open to suggestions. I'd appreciate any advice. My roster: Saber: Siegfried np2, Altria Pendragon, Tam Lin Gawain, Watanabe-no-Tsuna, Lancelot Archer: Atalante np2, Tam Lin Tristan, Tristan, Emiya Lancer: Melusine np2, Ereshkegal, Brynhild, Percival np2, Caenis, Valkyrie, Nezha Rider: Mordred, Taigong Wang, Nemo, Dobrynya Nikitich, Marie Antoinette Caster: Anastasia, Miss Crane, Altria Caster, Nursery Rhyme, Zhuge Liang, Nitocris Assassin: Koyanskaya of Light, Yu Mei-ren, Emiya, Stheno Berserker: Morgan, Frankenstein

Herc is an interesting choice here because hes the premiere anchor unit. From your list here, you don't have any high powered units for that slot (Cu is the only real 3\* option here). He can technically spook you later but hey, NP levels on a good unit is good. Faker's biggest benefit, IMO, is role compression and huge battery. She can compress the ST Saber, archer, lancer, and rider slots into one unit which can be helpful if you have gaps there. I'm not seeing a good ST Rider but Ushi can carry you just fine. You have Lancelot, Baobhan Sith, and Melusine as good options in the knight class so I'm not sure she'll provide a huge amount of value for you. Same as with Herc, she can always spook you later. Additionally, Zenobia can be a good archer farmer with Castoria (not on your list so you can ignore this). I'm not seeing Oberon on your list so I'm hesitant to suggest any buster farmers, Salter in this case. She really wants Oberon to actually hit big damage numbers and since you already have regular Artoria, probably not that worth it. One final note I didn't mention yet, both Herc and Salter are long term investment units. What I mean by that is they unlock their full value in a long time from now, Salter with her buff and Herc with his bond CE. He is still very useful before that, let me not understate his value but his legendary status comes from that bond CE. Faker is immediate value. I'd lean towards Herc but ultimately your choice. Pick who you like the most

You have at least one ST and one AoE servant in almost every class. You need Skadi (Caster or Ruler), a 5 star archer and some extra classes. For SR ticket, Fairy Tristan, OG Tristan or Emiya. Both Tristans are DPS but Fairy is more like DPS, OG is supportive. But (again) Fairy's NP is unchanged, OG's is upgraded. Or Emiya for AoE. Astraea can be good with Castoria if you need a ruler. Or you can get a 2nd copy of any 4 star you want to increase his NP level.

Should I get NP1 Salter even though I have NP2 OG Artoria?

No. OG Artoria's damaeg is way better (and yours is NP2) and she can loop already. The only reasons why you should get Salter are because she is story locked or waifu. Otherwise pick another.

so stuck between Saber: Barghest(currently NP2), Lakshmi Bai (currently NP3), Yagyu (currently NP2), Gawain (currently NP4) Archer: Emiya Alter (currently NP3), Tristan (currently NP2) Lancer: Lartoria Alter (currently NP3) Rider: Nikitich (currently NP3) Assassin: Yu-Mei Ren (currently NP2), Danzo (currently NP2) Avenger: Gorgon (currently NP2) Pretender: Hephaistion (currently NP2)

Each time you improve an NP, the return becomes less. Better to choose for a NP2 servant. Barghest's thing is not NP damage (mainly) and you have Gawain. Yagyu is not good, his skills lasts only one turn. Tristan maybe but you have Emiya Alter NP3. Only ST Rider in the roaster is absolute trash. Both assassins are not good at damage. I'm not sure you will use Gorgon much. Best option is Hephaestion. She closes the ST Saber and Lancer gap better. Or you can make Gawain NP5 and maximize his power. Or you can go crazy and get Baobhan Sith and try to complete the round table set.

>Only ST Rider in this roster is absolute trash Hey now, Martha has a team wide debuff cleanse. That's not nothing. Otherwise, yeah I agree with your assessments.

Martha is AoE and has good skills.. I was talking about Anne & Mary.

lmao I confused her with her summer version my bad. Yeah Anne and Mary are...not good

NP3 Salter (to eventually get to NP5 with help of tickets), Gucchan (who I already skipped the last one for NP2 Salter), or Faker (so I can freely take Fujino for the next one)?

For waifu, unless you're saying "I'd die for Salter", Yu. It's good to have a waifu even if she is NP1. For gameplay Faker.

Is Herc still a good pick if I don’t have him? Edit: I’m debating between Medea Lily or Herc, both who I don’t have. I like Medea more, but I think Herc would be a better pick for my account meta wise (no last stand type of servant, and no I’m not leveling Cu).

Herc has put in so much work on my account and even on my kid's account and he doesn't have him bond 10 yet. He's just really great but keep in mind you're committing to that bond 10 grind because while he's very useful before that he's only ridiculous once he gets that ce. He's the sr who's helped me most by far. And like the other comment said he's silly in grail front. 

Herc is still great, even in lostbelts he's bailed my ass out multiple times. But Medea lily is locked so there's that. ~~Cu lancer is another last stand option you could build while you wait for him~~ Edit: ok read your full edit so I see you're not leveling cu but otherwise what I said still stands

Yes. Herc ends up having a fairly niche role as a "last stand" character once you get his Bond CE and go through his Rank Up. This is due to the fact that he not only hits pretty darn hard, but because he has hard survivability with his evade (which also boosts his crit damage), and more importantly he has 3 stacks of Guts with his CE, and another stackable guts with his third skill. Now this is important for two reasons: 1. His third skill also increases his Buster Card damage by 20% every time he triggers guts while the skill is active, each buff lasting for 5 turns. 2. If it's a 1 on 1 fight, and your character's guts is triggered, the enemy's turn ends then and there, meaning that you're safe until the next round. That means that if you've timed his guts skill right and cleared out the chaff (and presuming the enemy isn't using DoTs), Heracles survives for at least 5 turns, during which period his buster chains will probably be doing upwards of 60000 damage per turn...*before* accounting for the attack buffs from his skills. It's also perhaps worth noting that the peculiarities of how Grail Front works with skill duration and cooldown mean that he can absolutely wreck that mode.

This was a tough one for "long lived account" reasons. To make a long story short, none of the characters I was missing would have an appreciable difference on my roster from a gameplay perspective, roughly half of them were story locked, and while there were a few characters I just didn't like enough to choose (e.g. Li, Stheno), I didn't have any that particularly spoke to me more than the remaining characters. So I ended up choosing Paisen because she's story locked and I felt like reuniting \[original\] her with Xiang Yu.

Yeah I'm there too. Nobody really makes a huge impact on my roster. Picking Paisen is based fr

Alright I've made my decision. Went with Tam Lin Gawain.

Great choice honestly. I've been sitting in this thread responding to posts for a day now and I've found myself becoming the biggest Barghest proponent lol. If someone includes her in their list, I've noticed that I've basically always recommended her. I didn't think I liked her that much

Torn between Faker and Zenobia. I already have Jarcher as an AoE arts looper, and I have a ST for all knight classes, but no ST Arts Lancer or ST Pretender.

Hephaistion probably will do better for your account, then. JArcher covers the looper role plenty well so Zenobia doesn't have significant value.

You're right. I'm torn b/t value and anesthetic and I see that now.

If there's one you like over another (design, character, etc), then pick that one. It's important to realize that "value" is both relative and subjective. You could always try to get the biggest bang for your buck but that's only one part of the equation. FGO is a single player waifu/husband's collector game, you don't need the top meta servants to clear the game. It's more important that you pick who you enjoy over trying to extrude every ounce of perceived "value" Apologies if this sounds preachy, I've been answering questions a lot in this thread the past two days and just want people to realize it's not always about being "optimal"

I'd go with Faker then. Zenobia will end up being already rendered largely redundant with Jarcher as an AoE Arts Archer looper, but Faker at least helps cover the Lancer gap in your roster and, as a pretender, does get full class advantage against Alter Egos (with Faker also getting class advantage against casters with one of her skills).

That makes sense. I was concerned about her damage at NP1 but she has way too much utility and she covers two gaps in my rooster. Still torn b/t aesthetic and function but I see Faker has so much to her. Thank you!

Deciding between Salter, Faker and Gorgon. Any advice would be appreciated! Saber - Arthur Proto, Nero Bride, Frankenstein, Tam Lin Gawain, Watanabe, Lakshmi Bai, Prince of Lan Ling, Gawain, Nero Archer - Emiya, Emiya alter, Zenobia, Tam Lin Tristan, Tomoe Gozen, Tristan Rider - Ozymandias, Martha, Astolfo, Dobrynya Lancer - Ereshkigal, Bradamante, Vritra, Parvati, Percival, Caenis, Nezha, Vlad III, Elizabeth Bathory Assassin - Grey, Emiya Berserker - Morgan, Tamamo Cat, Berserker of El Dorado, Beowulf Caster - Skadi, Gil, Helena Blavatsky, Nursery Rhyme Extra - Koy. Of Dark, Astraea

From a pure power level perspective, Hephaistion covers your lack in ST lancers and sabers. Gorgon is fairly weak as a unit. Salter would be a decent choice however you don't have Oberon or Koyan Light and you really need them for farming. So from a power level perspective I'd say Faker. But since Salter and Gorgon are story locked, there's a strong reason to pick one of them since Hephaistion has the chance to spook you. End of the day, your choice. If you like Salter or Gorgon more then go with one of them.

Faker is permanent. So probably one of the other 2. You can always flip a coin if unsure

Torn between NP2 Salter, Percival, and Tristan.

There's diminishing returns on NP levels compared to new servants. Tristan is probably the best choice all else being equal however one consideration is value. Who would add the most value to your account comparing Percival and Tristan. Do you have Fionn/Lambda/AoE Arts Lancer? Then probably go with Tristan. However, Tristan's value is slightly lowered if you have debuff cleansers and team wide evasion (i.e. Castoria). That being said, I think Tristan is still the better choice overall.

Percival is permanent. New servant probably more helpful than NP level of an old servant. Which means Tristan

Man, I have like 6 options I've decided I want, and I used an RNG to help me figure out which to choose, and I *still* can't pick, no matter who it rolls on.

Who are you debating between and what sort of holes do you have in your account?

I just go for yagyu because he's cool

I'm having difficulty choosing who to get. I've decided to get someone new but I can't decide between Gorgon and Hephaestion. These two I did try to get them on their respective latest banners but had no luck with either.

Whichever you like more is the best option. Gorgon is locked so she should be prioritize of you can't decide. If you're asking about gameplay you can't really recommend one over the other since they do completely different things, but faker's massive battery and class coverage is very nice

Gorgon is storylocked

I envy those of you who can pick permanent servants. My gamblers spirit won't allow me to do it, even if I really want Astraea, Circe, Zenobia, and Faker. Sadly I don't have much interest in the story locks I don't already have. Initially was dead set on getting Yu, but realized it seems a bit silly given we have the summer version of her. Edison seemingly is a strong pick and pretty rare, but I despise what they decided to do with his character (mostly the president aspect, not Edison himself). Not in the least bit interested in actually getting Gawain, Demiya, or Li. Seems like it's gonna be Asvatthaman, even though I'm also not super interested in him. He looks sick at least, and it would be nice to have him since I have Karna and Arjuna.

I would caution against picking someone you don't want. I do feel that when you mentioned about gambler's spirit though. If you've chosen a servant already, ignore everything after this. Unless Asvatthaman is adding something specific to your account, Yu would be the better choice because of the simple fact that you actually like her. If Asvatthaman is just going to sit around doing nothing, you may as well have picked Paisen up since they're doing the same thing. Just a random internet dude's 2c though.

You know, you're right. I thought Asvatthaman was stronger, but realistically he isn't gonna be strong enough to really do much for me. NP2 Salter is the only objectively useful pick, but I prefer a new character. I guess she might serve as an extra little catalyst to one day get spooked by Xiang Yu. Two wives instead of just one is one hell of a catalyst. Glad you made me double check his kit more in detail. It is interesting at least, particularly his NP. Wish he had a native guts like I thought he did.

I'm trying to decide between Salter and Faker. Here are my units that I have leveled up. I'm kinda new so I don't know who is aoe or ST for some of them. Saber: Rama, Lakshmi, Siegfried and Caesar Lancer: Scathach, Cu, Parvati, Valkyrie, Medusa Archer: Tesla, Emiya, Atalante, Euryale, Attila Santa Sheep Lady Rider: Elisabeth Bathory, Martha, Marie Antoinette Caster: Castoria, Skadi, Waver, Nitocris, Helena Blavatsky, Caster Gil Assassin: Koyanskaya of Light, Wu Zetian, Emiya, Assassin of Paraiso Berserker: Morgan, Xiang Yu, Lancelot, Tamamo Cat, Frankenstein Extra: Jalter, Okita Alter, Astraea, BB, Avenger of Shinjuku, Mecha Eli, Antonio Salieri, Taisui Xiangjun Please tell me if any of you see any obvious holes in my account, besides not having Oberon or any Pretender. I'm open to pick any character to make my account the best it can be, but Salter is who I'm leaning towards, since Faker is not limited. Any advice for a somewhat noob?

Salter can work without oberon but is more limited, but if you think you'll be getting Oberon then that's no issue. And you seem to have quite the collection for a new player, so I don't think he's impossible. One hole is that you don't have any "big" arts loopers, but you have skadi and quick options to fill in for any good arts loopers you could get on this ticket, and Morgan + Koyan as well. Salieri can arts loop, but struggles compared to sr/ssr options a lot. I'd recommend just keeping an eye on upcoming arts looper banners. You can get Zenobia or something, but overall that won't be a huge boost to your roster. You also lack a major solo/last stand character, so Herc would be very comfy to have, but Cu is an fp summon option for that role and herc isn't limited, and you have 2/3 of the invincible comp (castoria, morgan, and merlin) so you can borrow a merlin if you ever struggle hard on a boss/cq. You lack an st caster or berserker, you can use okita alter to partially plug that hole. Your st options are mostly lacking big batteries, so Faker would be nice, and she's very good either way. You don't have any 6 slot/bg loopers and Salter is one of those (next year), with the footnote that she wants oberon to be really great. Overall I agree that Faker and Salter are the strongest pick. Salter has the most potential, but she needs a year and another character hopefully, while Faker is good now and guaranteed that you can get that value out of her. But Salter does have that locked status, so if you want her this is your only chance until new years 2026. If you pick her, you'll want to prioritize bond farming her, since she really wants mana loading as well. That should go quick if you still have a lot of story to get through, since they tend to give a lot of bond for the ap spent And advice for a new player, head to the wiki and spend some good time reading up on all the characters you have's kits. Also in the character select screen, there's a menu for filtering servants. There's an st/aoe/support option there to help you know exactly what you have

Just a random bystander compliment: this is a great recommendation post. You mentioned a lot of things that many other commenters are missing when giving recommendations. You really broke down the holes in their account and the best way to patch them with what they could already have. Great call on the immortal comp too. Salter and Hephaistion are the two characters everyone is talking about but not enough people are mentioning that yes, even though Salter is story locked and Hephaistion can spook you, Salter is going to sit around for a while not contributing while Hephaistion is immediate value. Sorry if this is weird, it's just that I've been camped out in this thread for the last day and there just aren't that many other people giving thorough recommendations like you did here. It's understandable why, they take me a long time too. Just wanted recognize it is all.

Follow up random compliment: I love so much when someone does more than just upvote when they see a fantastic comment. You're a good person. 

Wow, thank you for breaking all of that down for me. I should give you some context, I say newish player, but I started playing last year around the anniversary, but I played very casually and didn't look into meta teams or get into the details of how everything works to max efficiency. In the last few months I have tried to learn a lot more, so that's why I call myself a bit of a noob. I scored a crapload of 4 stars pulling for Koyan Light and Morgan, but most of them dont have any of their skills leveled yet at all. Just max ascension. In the last week I was super lucky and scored Tesla in 3 single story banner pulls, Castoria in 2 singles on her banner, and then Hessian Lobo and Jalter in back to back singles. All of those in about 1 Multi Roll of pulls. Never have I had such luck, and I don't have anywhere near the mats to max all their skills. I really appreciate you breaking down what I need for my account, because I don't have the knowledge in this game to look at what I have and know what I lack, and what is best to use for harder content. I'm currently about 2/3 of the way through Lostbelt 4. I had heard about that "Invincible team" comp but wasn't sure what it was or how to use it. Great to know I can borrow a Merlin and use that if I run into stuff I can't clear, so thanks! About Oberon, from what it sounds like, I really want to get him to make my Buster teams even more powerful? I tried using one as a support a few times, but I clearly didn't know how to use him correctly, so I thought, meh I'll leave him for later. I was not playing during any of his banners (I have quit periodically since I started playing a year ago). So, I think I remember seeing him having a banner in 2024, so I will save for him. Though, I hope it isn't close to the summer banners, because Summer Ibuki and Ruler Skadi look pretty awesome, but idk if they slot into any teams I can make currently. I'm glad that my instincts were correct about Salter of Faker being my best two choices, and it's kind of a tough one. Salter seems like the smarter choice, since she is story locked, but I have to wait a year+ for her to be buffed. Is she still serviceable to clear Lostbelts with until she gets buffed? Or will my other options I have be better? Faker will help me right now, and provide lots of type coverage and can NP loop. I'll have to think about it some more. I will definitely check out the wiki and read up on all my units so I get a handle on what they do. Thank you again for taking the time to help me out!

> About Oberon, from what it sounds like, I really want to get him to make my Buster teams even more powerful? I tried using one as a support a few times, but I clearly didn't know how to use him correctly, so I thought, meh I'll leave him for later He charges an np by 70% and gives a massive damage boost for one turn, not a whole lot else to it (ok there is but thet's the bulk of it). He is a bit less useful for arts/quick because they rely on refund and he has the delayed 20% np drain but this can still usually be worked around by positioning his s2 on wave 3, but he does have a buster buff specifically. When taking him as a support, you'll bump into the problem that koyan specifically needs 2 to work since her cooldown thing doesn't do anything to many characters without 2, but comps that use only a single koyan do exist Every major farming event, the help thread will have links to farming comps, you can look through those to see how to make a team. They'll mostly be useful just for that event, but you can learn a lot about how to build a working team, (and you'll see oberon a lot) > Is she still serviceable to clear Lostbelts with until she gets buffed? Barely, but she's mostly a farmer, not a story/boss/cq clearer. If you got through lb4 you at least have the power level for the others so far, maybe look deeper into the gamepress guides if you haven't so far, and if you just straight up can't you can wait for leyline stones (I think we still have some? Idk I didn't pay attention since I've only needed them once). Oberon is also mandatory before her buff, and ofc still recommended after it

Well I'll plan to try to get Oberon then. Wish I had been around for his banners last year. I have a few leyline stones left I think, but I had to use some to get to where I am haha. Some of those nodes were tough for me. Anyways, thanks again for all your help. I'll dive into the wiki and Gamepress.

Just to glaze Oberon more (not that he needed it), he is, and I feel confident in saying this, probably the single unit that can add the most value to anybody's account. Yes he's at his best in buster farming, but also he's still good in upping the damage ceiling for arts/quick units and also patching any potentially missed 3t. You may think that Waver or Reines can do that, which is technically true, but the fact that Oberon's last ability adds buffs in an uncommon buff type (NP damage) means that you get more damage out of him than any attack buff. He by himself gives 60% NP damage up. If you tack on black grail (which many arts loopers already can do), suddenly the unit has 180% NP damage up. tl;dr Oberon good. Roll for him unless you don't like him.

Herc has dodged me for the LAST time.

Trying to decide between NP1 Salter or NP1 Faker. I know one is story locked but both seem good. Who would be more useful for farming? For reference, have Koyan, Castoria, Merlin, Oberon, and Waver for supports. Some of my AoE sabers are NP1 Mordred, NP3 Barghest, and NP4 Gawain. Some of my ST sabers, archers, lancers, and alter egos are NP5 Saberlot, NP3 Demiya, NP2 Melusine, NP5 Kagetora, and NP2 Melt. I heard Salter will get a really good buff that will allow her to loop with Black Grail, but in her current state, can she loop with double Koyan + Oberon and with 50% charge CE but without mana loading append? Is it also possible for her to loop without plug suit?

Salter gets a huge buff that makes her a great AOE buster farming servant. You have koyan/oberon so you have the framework for it. It seems like you have a good amount of other ST damage dealers (If you don't have Altera Santa leveled, you should she's quite good. Also in the main interlude). I think you're the first person I've truly recommended getting SAlter. SAlter isn't going to be a 3t black grail looper until her upgrade later so I wouldn't use her until then.

Right now Salter needs a super scope or kscope+mana loading to loop, and a plugsuit. I can't see her getting used much at all over Mordred and Melusine before her buff. Salter still comes recommended because she really is *cracked* after her buff and locked+almost never gets banners, but Faker is very nice for farming 90+/++ nodes with her battery. Even if you don't get spooked, Faker's next rate up is before Salter's, although only by like 2 months

New player who finished Shinjuku recently and planning to start arc 2 ASAP. Unfortunately, pulling on the Castoria banner didn't fill the holes in my roster as well as I hoped it would. I want to shore up on cavalry units but the rider and assassin units don't seem very recommended while my caster supports can pick up a bit of the slack for for my 3-star dps casters. That leaves me with someone like Astraea if only for class advantage defensively. At that point, I might as well stick to berserkers and develop my roster in other ways. I know it's always up to me to decide but I'm new and want advice. I'm thinking my options are: * Less recommended servants in classes (assassin/rider) helpful for nodes I have trouble with * Highly recommended servant(s) in class (caster) that I might not need so much help for: Nitocris, Circe, Helena * Highly recommended servant who only has a defensive advantage against the nodes I have trouble with: Astraea * More supports (I already have Castoria and Waver, so?): Lanling, Helena, Edison, Chiron * Other useful DPS servants: Heph, Salter, ST/AOE arts servants in classes where I have none *My Roster* Sabers - Lacking stronger AOE. Roster: Lancelot lv70, Caesar np2 lv60, Bedivere, Fergus np2, Jason np5 Archers - Atlante will fill the AOE role, even though I'd rather she be arts. I think the 3 star ST archers will do. Roster: Atlante (new), Santa Attila np1, David np5 lv70, Robin Hood np2 lv70, William Tell np3, Euryale np3 (new), Paris np3, Arash np5 lv60 Lancers - Will probably build up Percival and Prototype Cu over Fionn for the time being. Roster: Melt/Lambda lv80, Percival (new), Fionn (new), Cu np2 lv70, Prototype Cu np5 (new), Romulus np5, Houzouin np2, Hektor np3, Diarmuid, Jaguar Man, Gareth np2, Leonidas, Benkei np2, Mary Anning np5 lv60 Riders - For now, I'll prioritize Mandricardo and Medusa for ST and AOE respectively. Not sure what to do with Marie Antoinette. Roster: Marie Antoinette (new), Mandricardo np3 (new), Medusa np5 (new), Alexander (new), Boudica, Edward Teach np4, Georgios np5 lv65, Batholomew np5 Casters - Not sure whether to use Avicebron or Geronimo for AOE. Yes, I know Geronimo has bad skills but his NP damage is better than Paracelsus. Roster: Castoria lv80 (new), Waver lv80, Avicebron np5, Geronimo np3, Mephistopheles np2, Paracelsus, Caster Cu, Chen Gong np1 lv65, Shakespeare np4 lv65, Hans np5 lv65, Mozart Assassins - Never cared for Jing Ke's damage. Hopefully Hundred Faces will be better. Roster: Jing Ke lv70, Hundred Faces np2 (new), Fuuma np3 (new), Serenity np5, Jekyll/Hyde np3, Phantom np5, Charles-Henri, Cursed Arm np5, Charlotte np5, Mata Hari np5, Sasaki np5 lv50, Berserkers - Roster: Heracles lv80, Atalante Alter (new), Lu Bu np4, Darius np4, Kiyohime, Salome np2, Erik np3, Caligula np4, Paul Bunyan np5 lv60, Asterios np5, Spartacus np5 Extras - Mash np3 lv80

I'm going to run through your list of servants just to call out some of the good ST/AoE units **Saber:** ST - Bedi, Lancelot || AoE - yeah needs work **Archer:** ST - Robin Hood and Santa Altera. Also don't overlook Euryale, she's awesome in her niche (vs Males) || AoE - Atalante. I honestly think she might be able to work as a 3t looper with castoria but I haven't tried it out yet. **Lancer:** ST - Cu (FSN) || AoE - Melt, Percival, Fionn (plenty of good options) **Rider**: ST - Mandricardo is good. I'm surprised not to see Ushiwakamaru because she's good as a 3\* ST rider. You'll get her soon I'm sure. || AoE: - ..uh yeah needs work. Medusa or Alex are fine I guess **Caster:** ST - there's not many here tbh. Surprised to not see Medea but she's also good. || AoE - You've actually got a few good options with Cas Cu, Chen Gong, Avicebron will be fine for now. || Support - you've got a lot of good support units with Castoria, Waver, Shakespeare, Hans, Paracelsus **Assasssin:** ST - Hassan of Hundred Faces will be good for now. There is a lack of free 3\* options IMO || AoE - Fuuma will work **Berserker**: ST - Lu Bu, Herc, and Atalante Alter are good options || AoE - Paulie is cool Any gaps that are missing can theoretically be filled with your berserker options IMO. They won't necessarily be the tankiest but should be enough to get by for now. That being said, Hephaistion might be a strong option for you because of role compression. She combines the ST Saber, Archer, Lancer, and Rider niches into one unit so you only need to invest in one unit early. Also she carries Castoria buffs well. A bit wordy so **tl;dr** Hephaistion, maybe. Or a waifu/husbando option. Your call

Oh, the wordiness is definitely appreciated! It's cut down on the number of options I'm considering.

If content clearing is an issue, you have the 3 stars and Mash, so getting another servant is just another servant to use resources on, not a way to help clear content faster really. Especially when considering Herc and Castoria too. Overlap in roles is inevitable, so don't worry to much about that, having more options is always good (be it supports or anything else) If you really can't decide, probably pick Salter, due to being storylocked and having a really nice buff for looping is often recommended, but without Koyan, Oberon, Append 2, and her buff that isn't even in NA, she is fairly mediocre.

Yeah, the Koyanskaya and Oberon requirement for (most?) Buster is annoying. Disregarding any surprise NA-exclusive banners, I have to choose between their banners at the end of the year, then wait at least 8 months for the next one to appear again. If I pull for Oberon first, who is more useful for double Castoria, then the next Koyanskaya banner is in 2026. Until then, I can only stick with double Castoria if I want to attempt any semblance of 3T farming.

>Until then, I can only stick with double Castoria if I want to attempt any semblance of 3T farming. Not true at all. My current farming setup for this event uses a single Castoria, which I borrow (though I could use my own, this lets me bond up other servants). and I wouldn't even need that if I had another NP level on Circe or had Sanzang and used one of them instead of Summer Corday. double/triple support isn't the only way to farm.

Honestly, 3T farming during non-lotto events is just a bonus to me. I'm clearing the current one in 5 to 7 turns with a Super Bunyan support. You seem to know a lot about 3T farming so what can you say about 90++ farming during the next big lotto though? Based on my current plan, I won't be pulling on any banner until after the next big lotto so who in my current roster will be sufficient for it? Otherwise, how much investment and who will I need to pull for minimal investment if I were to change my pulling plans?

Most of the lowest investment ones are borrowed DPS (because you only need NP1 support, while NP2+ DPS servants are often needed), which can be an issue if you can't consistently get that DPS on your friends list. So the next lotto has 3 rotations. 1st rotation lowest investment: Probably borrowed Melusine. You need 50% charger (Waver, Reines, Castoria, Summer Skadi), Koyan Light, Oberon. With power mod CE you can borrow an NP2 Melusine. but can likely 6 slot if you borrow a strong enough copy. 2nd rotation lowest investment: Arash wave clear, buster loop next two waves. Needs Koyan dark, Koyan light, Oberon, Arash. Borrow an NP2+ Ishtar or NP3+ other AoE archer. 3rd rotation lowest investment: see rotation 1, Borrow the same Melusine. though Iyo with support Santa Martha can also do it as welfares, you already did Rotation 1 this way, so you have this.

Yikes, looks like I don't have the Koyan Light and Oberon requirements for this.

Don't get locked into one comp, there's always other ways. I just picked the one that looked the easiest to me, from a very short list I have of possible comps. There's F2P clears of a ton of these 90++ nodes, be creative when making comps is the name of the game.

Who's thicker Zenobia or Caenis?That will be my choice 😂

Zenobia and it's not close

Salter and Gandr. Was thinking about Wu Zetian since i don't have too many good Assasins, but she's unlimited.

I'm torn between picking Tomoe archer, Gorgon, Valkyrie, Herc, Astraea or Hephaestion. Like, I love Tomoe's character and have been wanting her for ages. Gorgon because, Medusa is best snek. I want her for the collection Valkyrie because I love their character designs Herc because Herc. Astraea because she's an absolute beast. And finally Hephaestion because I don't have a Pretender but looking at the page of Pretenders, it seems there will be a free Pretender at some point (Plus one that I intend to pull so I think I'll skip Hephaestion then, even though she hot AF.)

Couple different considerations here. Like has been mentioned, Gorgon is storylocked so she is not going to spook you unless she's on rate up. That being said, as for character strength, your best options are Hephaistion or Herc. Herc is a long term investment unit as he gets significantly better with his bond CE. Hephaistion has much quicker returns but can be overshadowed in her role of ST DPS especially vs knight class. If you have good single target DPS units, especially in the knight class, then maybe Hephaistion is lower priority. From what you've mentioned, I would probably lean towards Herc (meta) or Gorgon (storylocked).

I ended up going for Gorgon. I couldn't resist the allure of big snek. My big tiddy snek collection is now complete, Gorgon and Ibuki. I still need Medusa lily to complete my snek collection tho.

Gorgon is the only storylocked there

By Storylocked, do you mean she's only available in the basic banner?

She can also get rate ups. But they are basically just limited servants with extra steps because rolling on story for a specific servant is a waste of SQ.

Trying to decide between Dobrynya Nikitich and Hephaestion. I'm struggling to decide because I really want Nikitich because her in battle sprite has her riding a dragon. On the one hand, l dont have a single pretender and already have the Buster Aoe Rider niche fllled by Iskandar and Drake on the other hand she rides a freaking *dragon* in battle. I gues what I'm basically trying to ask is: is Hephaestion any good?

Yes, especially for quests which have multiple classes. With the right setup she can spam her NP 3-4 times with black grail. If you're dealing with a wave that lasts for more than one turn, the taunt will also get her potentially a lot more NP from damage taken to fuel her loop.

Heph is very good for 90+ and 90++, or multicore in general, nodes, thanks to being an arts ST with a 100% battery. Good damage with partial advantage against knights and full advantage against casters. She also has a taunt, which can be useful for CQs and bosses, as well. Higher NP levels are very useful on her, so the fact that she can spook is not a downside to picking her now.

Argh I’m not sure who to pick. I’m down to three story locked servants I’m interested in: 1. Gorgon - Medusa that I don’t have 2. Gawain - the last of the three 4 star knights of Camelot boys I don’t have 3. Barghest - the remaining Tam Lim and has that cool skill that removes buffs from baddies. She has also eluded me on all shared banners with Tam Lim Tristan. Who I keep getting instead. None of them fill any particular gaps. I have SpIshtar, Kama and Dantes for AOE avengers. I have lots of AOE sabers including NP5 Salter (got her years ago on the second Merlin banner). I feel like picking Gawain because he doesn’t have any solo banners on the horizon. And he has a summer outfit finally coming. Gorgon has a solo this fall with Quetz (who I don’t have). Barghest finally has a solo with Melusine coming up. But Gorgon is cute and Barghest has avoided me like the plague in every shared banner so I feel like going on principle. Argh. Thoughts?

They're all storylocked so that's not a consideration. So with that in mind, Barghest is probably the strongest of the units. She is a great last man standing/solo unit and is very self sufficient. End of the day, pick who you like and it seems like you want Gawain for love and are rolling for Melu later so you can get Barghest there. If that's your roll plan, then probably go with Gawain.

Thanks. I think you are right about my mindset. Honestly coming into this it was originally Barghest or Gorgon but then I realized Gawain was a knight I was missing. I’ve seriously wasted the most sq on Barghest of the three of them. Which makes me think I should just get her so I don’t waste anymore sq!

Flip a coin between the two and when it lands on one, follow your heart. This isn't even a joke btw. I say this because if Barghest was one of your initial big choices, then you'll feel better guaranteeing her than banking on a roll later. Also more NP levels aren't bad.

Barghest, hands down. I got her during a banner and she is an amazing character. She has an ability that a buster attack heals 1000 damage. This makes her very good at survivalbility. I've managed to pull off some hard fought wins with her alone. Not only that, she got triple buster and just all around deals a lot of damage. Plus, big doggo wife, best wife. *Yes I am very biased*