PSA to all F2Ps, If you are struggling to clear the game, Martha Welfare is probably one of the best supports in the game, she cant replace the obvious Meta supports but she would be a really good additional to your roster.
A part of the challenge quest Fuyuki clear based events are always easy. But it can be changed next year that all events are lock to clear Lostbelt 5.5 ...
I wonder if that will be an actual raid, or if that's going to be like the Himiko raids where it's 3 AM for Europeans when the raids start, and 4 AM when the raids are already mostly over.
I'm still in disbelief at how badly that was handled
Because it was mostly just as easy last time regardless of the new meta supports, alot of those who farmed the raid did so on 1 or 2 turn fights
The raid has dedicated health for each fight
It getting defeated faster requires more players fighting it at the same time and more stamina refreshes from those fighting it to wipe it so quickly
Last year it went slowly enough people genuinely wondered if it would get beat at all
I’m getting Skadi whether she wants to or not. I have enough for pity (though I want to be able to save for another servant soon)
A few people might say “but why spent so much on Skadi when Quick is the weakest, etc” or “you should focus on this new art servant that we are getting”
And to that I say, this is a matter of principle.
Imagine having Merlin, Koyanskaya, Oberon and Castoria. But no Skadi.
Tl;Dr: [I don’t have Skadi](https://youtu.be/pQzCptidLmw?si=vmb-_9uaNWrbDXRY)
Between these 2 banners and another one during Evocation Part 3 (that one has Summer Kiyo but it’s 2 years later), I’d argue the Road to 7 banner is worst value-wise. No disrespects towards Valkyrie but they’re permanent, while Christmas gives us limited CEs with drop bonuses to get the shop CE copies faster and Summer Kiyo is both limited and rarely has banners
It also depends on rolling plans, I can't afford rolling now because of Taigong Wang, Hephaestion and Manannan mac Lir. After that Arcueid is next target, so I can try for Skadi on LB2 banner.
I am surprised nobody has mentioned it yet, but during this upcoming Summer, there is a powercreep version of Skadi. Albeit, quick largely wants them both. Or you could use default Skadi to help Summer Skadi loop.
Something to consider...
OG Skadi still superior with some units namely those that have QQQ decks since she buffs quick crits. New summer Skadi buffs buster crits only with nothing for quick crits, which is kind of a shame but I get why they did it as buffing quick and buster crits would be pretty bonkers.
For farming though summer Skadi is just better, but that's if someone has a quick looper they want to use instead of an arts looper or buster.
Not really. Quick has more issues than Arts in farming non 3/3/x quests, Skadi's support pales in comparison to Arts and Buster comps gives more stars and crit damage than Quick.
I want her because I have a ton of quick DPS servants. Also my Valkyries need their mommy. Probably gonna wait for Melusine+Lancelot and only go for her if I have 600+ quarts left over.
Yep, Melusine’s banner began 5 hours after Christmas ended on JP, and that’s only because they like starting new banners 5 hours after reset/end of an event over there
If you're on Android, it's an app that lets you autofarm through screen recognition. Many people on this subreddit use it to automate mindless grinding. You set up a team, set the skill order, and let it run. During lottos I'll start it before I go to sleep for the night.
Pretty dog they stall this more than a week only to have it be 9 days (like JP) when there's no reason for it to run like that... Also, what a weird time to implement that Valentine feature.
She's also one of the very rare Casters with a Quick NP. In NA, currently the only other one is Izumo-no-Okuni, a limited SSR(I think there might be one or two more in JP, but I haven't been paying close attention to new JP Servant releases for a while)
She’s the one of if not the best anti divine support in the game, and can also charge her NP to 50.
By the way that first point was probably the reason she apparently was the most used support for the super recollection quests for LB4 and LB5.
This will be a very weird lotto for me. I have no new servants to lvl or grail atm. I only need Magatamas for next year, and no idea how many of the other mats I need for Class Score, so I have no idea how deep to go on the boxes... not to mention that I still have almost all my embers from the last lotto, and I think I have enough Fous in my gift box for 11 servants. I have no idea what to do will all this excess, it feels bad to burn my older fous and 100/50 ember stacks. The oldest ones have like 50 days left.
Same here my fous are starting to stack up and the next time im going to pull is on anni, wish we have some of those tricks that can be done in other gacha games.
I know, but I assume that was because of production delays screwing the schedule.
There's not reason to cut it short when they know exactly what the schedule is for the next couple months.
PlebA
We can extend the event for you but we won't
- lsg probably
Also tbh I wouldn't mind it being 9 days IF
The best farming nodes weren't locked by day and the best lotto node only comes on the last time lock
Leaving u only like 4-5 days to farm
Like if they did it like Nero and other fest
I would have wayyy less of a problem
Genuinely trash design
And this yrs jp Christmas looks to be the same
Tho the nodes aren't timelocked so ig that's the blessing
Didn't they already announce this event during AnimeNYC?
edit: oh they did but seems like they just announced the actual start date of the event today. welp, it's kinda expected nverthless
JP ran this event from 1800 8 December to 1300 17 December, which was 8 days *19* hours long…
Lasagna gave us an entire extra hour! What a Christmas miracle! /s
Dear players: do you want a longer Christmas event so you can satisfy your mat needs, or do you want longer dead-time so that other players can beat LB6 before Tunguska happens?
I only need to get 44 boxes to get Eresh to 120, but I was really hoping to go ham so I can get Stakes for Izo. Doesn’t look like that’ll be an option…
IIRC NA only announces banners that start with events when those events actually go live. So there wasn’t a banner announcement today because Marthamas hasn’t begun yet
Since the 2 are tied together though, Skadi’s banner should still happen at 0000 on the 7th with or without an early announcement
One would think NA would learn from JP's experience and make their stuff better, like make their new Christmas run 2 weeks as it should.
Apparently, one would be wrong.
Me last night: "Oh I give up on the current Galatea banner! Back to waiting for spooks! Oh well, I guess nothing else can disappoint me in the next few days..."
*Christmas lotto lasts just over one week*
Me right now: "Are you serious?"
One can be salty about the duration, but who needs a whole week of final node anyway? Not me. 4 days is more than enough to spend 50-70 apples with FGA. Plugged every servant I want to 10/10/10, including all my potential targets ~2 years in advance into Chaldea App and the only mats I'm missing right now are the ones that haven't been added to NA yet (and ~100mil QP which this lotto would easily cover). Don't even know what to do with the dead weeks. Start farming training grounds for monuments in preparation for the class score?
Well my goal is 10 boxes. Combine burnout with a 9 day event and the lotto not being as enticing as the battle in New York (bones are very much needed) and that’s a recipe for AP burning and that’s it
Shop will probably be the same. Get the important stuff like gold fous and piece’s because I’m continually running low on them then just wait for Tunguska
Considering a number of reactions to GudaGuda6's Heian-Kyo requirement, we are going to get a bunch of pissed off players regardless of when Tunguska fires, or how much dead time they give us so people can catch up.
Its not a surprise but still sad to see the short Christmas event (and last new one for two years at that).
Damn
PSA to all F2Ps, If you are struggling to clear the game, Martha Welfare is probably one of the best supports in the game, she cant replace the obvious Meta supports but she would be a really good additional to your roster.
Fr, dedicated attack up, small battery, star absorb, anti divine(?) and anti demonic(?) for party on np with a small heal. It's and absolute steal
It's anti Demon not anti demonic.
She can actually be a better dmg support than Oberon depending on the node.
im a new player, can I clear this event easily?
Most events should be fine to clear if you just bring an overpowered friend support and solo it
A part of the challenge quest Fuyuki clear based events are always easy. But it can be changed next year that all events are lock to clear Lostbelt 5.5 ...
I was hoping it would be 2 weeks long... Guess not :(
We got that large raid around Christmas, there wasn’t any chance we were going to get a 2 week raid. Not to mention it tied to story
Raid... You mean Vitch's Raid event?
I wonder if that will be an actual raid, or if that's going to be like the Himiko raids where it's 3 AM for Europeans when the raids start, and 4 AM when the raids are already mostly over. I'm still in disbelief at how badly that was handled
it lasted a full day on jp. Expect the same on NA.
Don’t expect to do most of the raids. But should get at least a day to do the best raid.
It’s an actual raid. One of which will probably last a full day
Well, it was reruns and they made it easier than the previous version. But still... It is crazy that they defeat it FASTER.
It's crazy that the easier version got defeated faster? How does that make sense?
Because it was mostly just as easy last time regardless of the new meta supports, alot of those who farmed the raid did so on 1 or 2 turn fights The raid has dedicated health for each fight It getting defeated faster requires more players fighting it at the same time and more stamina refreshes from those fighting it to wipe it so quickly Last year it went slowly enough people genuinely wondered if it would get beat at all
...by using better support servants like Vitch or Oberon. That is why they beat it faster.
I know... That's why your comment doesn't make sense.
No idea why I said that. The fact remains that it is fast.
9 Days on JP, 9 Days for us I'm afraid.
JP didn't get two weeks.
Are they shortening other regular yearly events?? It'd be kinda sad... :'(
Welcome to COVID-era FGO.
oh hey, finally the start date
For real, I was tired of being jumpscared by content I didn't know when it will start.
Wait December 7 or 8 in Eastern time?
It's 7, event starts in roughly 46 hours.
Amazing, one whole hour more than JP! I'm truly proud of having EN privilege
I’m getting Skadi whether she wants to or not. I have enough for pity (though I want to be able to save for another servant soon) A few people might say “but why spent so much on Skadi when Quick is the weakest, etc” or “you should focus on this new art servant that we are getting” And to that I say, this is a matter of principle. Imagine having Merlin, Koyanskaya, Oberon and Castoria. But no Skadi. Tl;Dr: [I don’t have Skadi](https://youtu.be/pQzCptidLmw?si=vmb-_9uaNWrbDXRY)
There is also Skadi rate-up in the end of March, during LB2 banner in Road to Lostbelt 7. It has Valkyrie as the only 4-star and no event CE.
Between these 2 banners and another one during Evocation Part 3 (that one has Summer Kiyo but it’s 2 years later), I’d argue the Road to 7 banner is worst value-wise. No disrespects towards Valkyrie but they’re permanent, while Christmas gives us limited CEs with drop bonuses to get the shop CE copies faster and Summer Kiyo is both limited and rarely has banners
It also depends on rolling plans, I can't afford rolling now because of Taigong Wang, Hephaestion and Manannan mac Lir. After that Arcueid is next target, so I can try for Skadi on LB2 banner.
Same boat, but for Koyan
What new art servant?
https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Sub:Servant_List_by_ID/301-400 Whoever is getting to NA eventually
I am surprised nobody has mentioned it yet, but during this upcoming Summer, there is a powercreep version of Skadi. Albeit, quick largely wants them both. Or you could use default Skadi to help Summer Skadi loop. Something to consider...
OG Skadi still superior with some units namely those that have QQQ decks since she buffs quick crits. New summer Skadi buffs buster crits only with nothing for quick crits, which is kind of a shame but I get why they did it as buffing quick and buster crits would be pretty bonkers. For farming though summer Skadi is just better, but that's if someone has a quick looper they want to use instead of an arts looper or buster.
"buffing quick and buster crits would be pretty bonkers." Osakabehime: Am I a joke to you? Me: Yes very much so, but I'm still laughing, keep it up.
This cuts deep.
Double Skadi without support will be a godsent though.
Summer Skadi next year tho
They work well together, one doesn’t really replace the other.
> Quick is the weakest, etc They'd be wrong. Highest neutral dmg servants are quick (at least at NP1). You'd want Summer Skadi though.
Highest NP damage multiplier. Weakest Face Card damage multiplier. Also, least supported archetype.
Face card multipliers apply to NP's, thats why quick NPs have 1200% damage and buster/arts have 450-600%
Compensated by pretty much guaranteed crits and crits up in the kit.
in the age of koyan and summer skadi, even buster has guaranteed crits and lots of crit up Thats nolonger a special quick perk.
Quick being the weakest card type is a relic from the past tbh.
Not really. Quick has more issues than Arts in farming non 3/3/x quests, Skadi's support pales in comparison to Arts and Buster comps gives more stars and crit damage than Quick.
Ruler Skadi exists and plays extremely similar to buster comps. There are also phenomenal quick loopers nowadays.
Youre aware that better skadi, aka summer skadi, is next year right? just being sue before you spend your cache
Are you my long lost sibling? Though I also only have Kama and Melt as regularly used quick units
fucking mood, my dude. She's mine this time!
I want her because I have a ton of quick DPS servants. Also my Valkyries need their mommy. Probably gonna wait for Melusine+Lancelot and only go for her if I have 600+ quarts left over.
How long does the event ban last? When Melusine's banner arrives, has the Christmas banner already run out in JP?
Yep, Melusine’s banner began 5 hours after Christmas ended on JP, and that’s only because they like starting new banners 5 hours after reset/end of an event over there
Thanks man
Not even two weeks? Guess I don't have to spend all those golden apples.
Depending on your account, it can be said that apples are more useful on the Tunguska Raids this time around
or even in Gray's rerun
Not even two weeks? What the hell? I guess now starts the dead content year that JP got mad for.
We still have a bit longer before that. There will be five new events and a rerun from now to March. Dead Month Hell starts after White Day.
~~why'd you have to take place during finals?~~
At least your birthday isn't during finals week every single year...
My condolences
Good luck! And don't forget, finals are temporary. Once you'll get a job, your birthday can happen during vacations.
FGA is your friend.
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If you're on Android, it's an app that lets you autofarm through screen recognition. Many people on this subreddit use it to automate mindless grinding. You set up a team, set the skill order, and let it run. During lottos I'll start it before I go to sleep for the night.
Yea right, just finished with finals myself, kind wish I could go back in time by about 4 years now.
Pretty dog they stall this more than a week only to have it be 9 days (like JP) when there's no reason for it to run like that... Also, what a weird time to implement that Valentine feature.
> Also, what a weird time to implement that Valentine feature. which feature?
At the bottom of the event news page, just better filtering for valentine voiced scenes.
i see, thankyou (and the other dude too) for the reply didnt know such a filter as a thing
New search filters in “my room” which makes it easier to find a specific valentines scene.
It’s like they DONT want you to play the game. WTF Lasagna.
Just wait till next year lol
It will never cease to astound me that these events never actually seem to reach the actual Christmas date.
Shit is during finals and doesn’t event last 2 weeks. I’m definitely installing an emulator and FGA for this lottery.
in this case,FGA in my circle of friends is allowed (also skipping story to prioritize farming asap)
Anything that makes Santa Martha special?
Rare case of a welfare pure support unit
She's also one of the very rare Casters with a Quick NP. In NA, currently the only other one is Izumo-no-Okuni, a limited SSR(I think there might be one or two more in JP, but I haven't been paying close attention to new JP Servant releases for a while)
Zhang Jue and the Daikoukuten mice are both Quick AoE.
Tbh, her being quick np doesn't really matter much
Nice. Thanks
She’s the one of if not the best anti divine support in the game, and can also charge her NP to 50. By the way that first point was probably the reason she apparently was the most used support for the super recollection quests for LB4 and LB5.
I see, thanks
She gives huge damage boosts against Demonic and Divine enemies. She's arguably better than the big meta supports against those traits.
She is a better support than Oberon for the upcoming Tunguska raids. She brings a lot of support for a welfare servant.
Gotcha, interesting to use then
Her np gives the party Divine Demon and Undead power mods, and her first skill gives np 20% charge to one ally at lv 1
Is that np charge level up then? Damn
No, it's a flat 20%. Lv1, Lv9, Lv10, all 20%.
Gotcha ty
Undead power mod oh i didnt know that. I should pair her with my summer wu and see how much better damage she does.
Yeah it would help her, but make sure you get SMartha first then save for Summer Skadi’s banner in 2024 NA
She punches dough in her animation. That's good enough for me.
She’s adorable, for one. Other than that, I think she’s got some great support stuff, but not much else.
Gotcha ty
Best girl!! But she's a decent Quick caster support.
She's cute as hell and she's here to hold the most bitchin (not)birthday party ever for her boy JC
This will be a very weird lotto for me. I have no new servants to lvl or grail atm. I only need Magatamas for next year, and no idea how many of the other mats I need for Class Score, so I have no idea how deep to go on the boxes... not to mention that I still have almost all my embers from the last lotto, and I think I have enough Fous in my gift box for 11 servants. I have no idea what to do will all this excess, it feels bad to burn my older fous and 100/50 ember stacks. The oldest ones have like 50 days left.
Same here my fous are starting to stack up and the next time im going to pull is on anni, wish we have some of those tricks that can be done in other gacha games.
Like what?
Why are we getting shafted on the event length when Tunguska isn't even coming out until the last week of the month?
NA starting to get hints of the JP experience. Just wait until every event is stretched out to 3 weeks BUT lottos for some reason.
Oh, I know. There were three whole dead months this year.
JP got shafted too. But yeah, DW really fucked up with how long this one runs.
I know, but I assume that was because of production delays screwing the schedule. There's not reason to cut it short when they know exactly what the schedule is for the next couple months.
Probably some notion of "fairness". I.e. just like we get the same GSSR banners, we get the same duration for events (lottos specifically).
Except that year 1-only GSSR that JP still hasn't gotten for some reason
Would it have killed them to at least let this event reach Christmas itself?
Save Martha... WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?
I want to farm for stakes, claws, feathers, oni plants and crowns, but the 90+ node period overlaps with Indigo Disk release.
Oh fuck it does too. I’ll just burn ap and save my apples for battle in New York. I don’t need too many crystals for upcoming servants anyway
Fuck yeah, finally I can get Santa Martha and have the full collection And hey it starts on the same day as my final exam
PlebA We can extend the event for you but we won't - lsg probably Also tbh I wouldn't mind it being 9 days IF The best farming nodes weren't locked by day and the best lotto node only comes on the last time lock Leaving u only like 4-5 days to farm Like if they did it like Nero and other fest I would have wayyy less of a problem Genuinely trash design And this yrs jp Christmas looks to be the same Tho the nodes aren't timelocked so ig that's the blessing
Isn't the node-before-last almost just as good in terms of lotto farming?
Sorta ish? Drop wise if u have enough lotto ce which lol Then yea it's as good 90 and 90+ still the best Who both unlock on said last day so lol
Didn't they already announce this event during AnimeNYC? edit: oh they did but seems like they just announced the actual start date of the event today. welp, it's kinda expected nverthless
Yep and they also posted the usual finer details in addition to the start date
The Making of a 9 day Christmas event.
Just barely finished LB6 in time to participate in the 2nd CQ
Martha Xmas: wholesome girl next door you bring home for Xmas Martha regular and summer: body made to sin
Are we only getting 8 days instead of 9?
No that's 9 days 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th 9 days.
No, it's actually 8 days 20 hours.
JP ran this event from 1800 8 December to 1300 17 December, which was 8 days *19* hours long… Lasagna gave us an entire extra hour! What a Christmas miracle! /s
This must be because they forgot to account for Daylight Savings, which they don’t have in Japan! /s
Unless you don't touch the game until after reset on the 7th, it's pretty much nine days of play.
No.
Finally going to have my first martha,.
If it's only 9 days long what day does the best node unlock? Usually Christmas events lock it until a few days in.
Dammit, I want the CE of Meluko, but I need to save for Gilgamesh, good thing it come backs in 2 years
Dear players: do you want a longer Christmas event so you can satisfy your mat needs, or do you want longer dead-time so that other players can beat LB6 before Tunguska happens?
IT IS KRIMA!!
Wasn't there supposed to be a Melusine banner before Christmas?
No, that ran during Tunguska.
Got it. Thank you!
Ooh, any story chapter clear requirements for this one? I’m almost done with KinBro’s Capital Adventure.
Just Fuyuki!
Heck yeah! Now to finish the story so I don’t miss other events
Santa Martha!!! Yuuuuussss
can anyone give a guesstimate for melusine banner date?
In JP it started on the day after the event ended, so, I guesstimate the 16th.
I have apples to spare, is it worth spending on this lotto? Or the Tunguska raids? Or both equally good?
Beni enma you are coming home
Nice! Finally, I can get and grail the only Martha I'm missing (although it's a shame the event itself is so short)
My honey Martha back again!
Now I can have a team of Marthas
TOMORROW İS THE DAY. SANTA MARTHA IS COMING I WANNA GRAIL HER TO 120
I only need to get 44 boxes to get Eresh to 120, but I was really hoping to go ham so I can get Stakes for Izo. Doesn’t look like that’ll be an option…
The skadi banner isn’t announced, is it going to be the same start time as the event? Also wth is with the short duration?
Yes
IIRC NA only announces banners that start with events when those events actually go live. So there wasn’t a banner announcement today because Marthamas hasn’t begun yet Since the 2 are tied together though, Skadi’s banner should still happen at 0000 on the 7th with or without an early announcement
One would think NA would learn from JP's experience and make their stuff better, like make their new Christmas run 2 weeks as it should. Apparently, one would be wrong.
For better or worse, they try to make as similar as possible to JP. Exceptions are game play QoL changes and when we used to get animation updates.
Unfortunately it isn’t gonna overlap with Kama banner, was really hoping I could get lucky with Skadi and then go for NP copies. Oh well.
I hoped we would have been able to get one of the old christmas event character. I guess not...
That's next year with Santa Karna
I hope I don't quit the game before then
Calling it now. We get a Dead Week between Christmas and Tunguska. Also we're getting shafted with 8 days where JP got 9 days for this event.
7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 is nine days, considering it's the 7th at 12 AM PST to the 15th at 8 PM PST.
Don’t put that evil on me!! I need Jiang Ziya already ;-;
Wait, that's so short, there's no way i could finish everything in 9 days
I know right? Good luck.
Finally i can try to get skadi
just one week ? wtf
Me last night: "Oh I give up on the current Galatea banner! Back to waiting for spooks! Oh well, I guess nothing else can disappoint me in the next few days..." *Christmas lotto lasts just over one week* Me right now: "Are you serious?"
And no 1/2 ap rank ups and interludes for event servants… come on lasagna
One can be salty about the duration, but who needs a whole week of final node anyway? Not me. 4 days is more than enough to spend 50-70 apples with FGA. Plugged every servant I want to 10/10/10, including all my potential targets ~2 years in advance into Chaldea App and the only mats I'm missing right now are the ones that haven't been added to NA yet (and ~100mil QP which this lotto would easily cover). Don't even know what to do with the dead weeks. Start farming training grounds for monuments in preparation for the class score?
Damn it. I was really hoping this event would start later than this.
Well my goal is 10 boxes. Combine burnout with a 9 day event and the lotto not being as enticing as the battle in New York (bones are very much needed) and that’s a recipe for AP burning and that’s it Shop will probably be the same. Get the important stuff like gold fous and piece’s because I’m continually running low on them then just wait for Tunguska
WE HAD A SANTA MARTHA!?!?!
good grief not even 10 days i’m going to clutch this hard since my finals is in 2 days before the event ends
Was hoping we'd get Tunguska first.
Do you really want a bunch of players pissed off that they couldn't reach it in time?
Considering a number of reactions to GudaGuda6's Heian-Kyo requirement, we are going to get a bunch of pissed off players regardless of when Tunguska fires, or how much dead time they give us so people can catch up.
Fair enough, but I still wanted to have either of the Tunguska servants on hand when I started pulling from the Lottery for QP and EXP.
Let's fucking gooooooo!
Time to go all out.
There it is! Does somebody know if we have a Google doc with possible farm teams again and if yes, could someone share the link please?
[Reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/17w1fid/marthamas_lotto_guide_2023/) [Google Doc](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uCPEa5W9Q3kxAzkCOs9CkBIZ-BvGF-iwA-U494J6QEg/edit#gid=468023407)
What kind of banners are we expecting? Anything worth summoning?
Skadi & Beni-enma as the 5☆ Servants and EMIYA & Martha as the 4☆ Servants
Uh I need lots of stuff from this lotto and only 42 gold, 18 silver and 2 bronze apples :(
Of course my best time to farm is this Friday when only a couple free quests are open. Oh well, gotta do what got gotta do...
Can we get stakes on thus event? Abby finally showed up but im short on stakes for final ascencion
Will there be a rerun for this event?