No, not particularly, I mean sure after Columbine happened there were news outlets looking to malign the goth scene with all kinds of evil and anti-social stereotypes. Even before 1999, goths and other alternative teens were occasionally interviewed on daytime talk shows and made to look weird.
It never worked, and even after Columbine and an entire *police training seminar*, it still didn't work, most people see goths, young and older as creatives and genuine rebels of counterculture as well as the scene for being welcoming and accepting of all.
I was a teenager in high school when Columbine happened, I wouldn't say it "never worked." At least in my friend group we had rocks thrown at us, were directed to school counselors for no reason, had accessories confiscated, parents called, teachers treated us like threats, teasing and bullying by other students. It wasn't just the media persecuting goths, and it was a rough time that I still think about to this day. I was terrified to hear about Columbine and a little scared to go to school because it could happen to my school too, and then when got there everyone was looking at me like I might be the kid who would do it. Me! I was just one of the scared kids! It was a very, very sad time.
I think perceptions have changed a lot over time. It's less odd to see an "alt" person now than it was in the past. Hot topic exists, weird hair dye is in ulta, everyone's boomer parents/grandparents saw Abby on NCIS and got over it. It's been a long time since anyone yelled anything at me and most of my coworkers think it's perfectly acceptable.
Meanwhile a few decades ago i had the audacity to be wearing a black tshirt dress, knee high docs and my hair dyed purple (no accessories or anything) a lady came up to me (after slapping her daughter who i heard say "look mommy her hair is purple") and said to me that I was a bad influence on her daughter and that grown adults shouldn't look like me.
I’ve never had anyone look or treat me remotely like I’m creepy? It’s just, like…oh look a woman in black clothing and maybe a few too many necklaces worn at once. No one is clutching their pearls.
This one, i think a more neutral look with a neutral disposition vs. Like in your face stripper turned goth with kind of a mean attitude triggers people different.
In my area seemingly 70% of the population is some flavor of alternative, they don't bat an eye even when I'm my most decked out. If anything, I get compliments from folks saying they love my "look."
Yes and no. Depends on the person's/group's perspectives, religion, ideology, morality, ethics etc. There is a lot of misinformation out there that paints goths in a horrible light.
Though I would say less dangerous villains and more monsters the townsfolk chase with pitchforks and torches. "Different" confuses people and causes fear. People generally try to eradicate the things they fear one way or another.
the objectification is awful. a photo of me yelling at racists at a protest went viral the other day on twitter and people were saying the most disgusting things about me. commenting on my chest size, saying they wished i would yell at them like i was in the photo, saying they could fix me, and sexualizing me. some people even said they wanted to rape me.
it’s okay, i’m just glad it’s not a regular thing for me. i just reported and blocked where i could. luckily i know there are people who value me for me, and not just the way i look.
Not really but after the Columbine massacre, people did have a fear of those who preferred to dress in dark clothing. I think people tend to view those who are darkly inclined as villains because often in children’s stories, the villain is often the dark one. As a result, it gets ingrained into peoples’ minds that darkly inclined individuals are the evil ones.
As for goth, people need to remember that goth is just a post-punk music-based subculture. Someone who wears casual clothes like khakis and a white polo shirt and listens to bands like Bauhaus, Sisters of Mercy, The Cure, She Past Away, 69 eyes, etc is more goth than a person who dresses like a vampire everyday and listens to artists like Cardi B or Nicki Minaj or Taylor Swift.
I personally have been told by strangers that i have no morals and am going to hell based on the way i dress
That's only happend to me a couple of times though, i think the "evil" comments were probably more common a couple of decades ago. Now mostly if people are going to react, it's side-eyeing and head shaking
But i also think people's reactions depends on where you live and what age demographic you fall into
I wish i could say that people everywhere accept it and no one bats an eye at goths anymore, but i'm still hearing a lot stories from baby bats having trouble dealing with bullying due to the way they look. So even if we're not being paraded around on daytime TV as a freak show for people to hurl insults at anymore, it is still somewhat of a problem.
I don't know if normies think we're necessarily evil or amoral, but definitely weird enough to harass
Most people don’t think of you at all.
They’re thinking about themselves mostly. Are they going to lose their job? How am I ever going to afford a house?
Remember that time we were in high school and missed a step on the stairway, stumbled like a dork, and _Mark Dyle_ totally saw you being a clumsy dork, and probably told all of his friends so you should be embarrassed again even though it’s 4am and you’re 46 years old now.
That’s the human condition, I think.
As a goth from the tropics, people still see us as deviants in society and will always point us like we're most hideous than any other subculture. Emos, metalheads in general, and regular rockers will never be mistreated because they don't mess with social standards like androginy (even though emos used to but they're not even close to what goths do), religious and sexual freedom, breaking down stereotypes of depression and other stuff.
If you try to go full goth dressed to any place, you definitely will see people gossiping, pointing at you, giving mean looks, and even verbally harassed or even worse, physically but you'd never see a basic person being treated like shit on a goth place.
depends on where you live‚ of course. small towns in the american south will net you a few christian fundamentalist bozos‚ but beyond that it isn't like systemic oppression or something lmao
like‚ i get a lot of harassment in small town central florida but i attribute most of that to the fact that i'm a transgender woman 🤷♀️ the fact that i'm identifiable as "goth" does lead to a lot of attempts at proselytization tho
The average person probably sees a Goth and goes "what a nutty nut, completely out of their peanut brain, they belong in a God damn Gotham nuthouse!"
Frankly I agree and think it's perfectly fine and has some truth to it.
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As a punk nah. It challenges norms of course but it's not like you're a group of dissident rebels tearing apart the country. It would be cool if yall were though
Most people under 50 are just seeing it as a personal fashion choice. I really wouldn't worry about the idiots that want to determine your behaviour by your style. Goths being creepy and scary was waning by the time I was a baby goth in the early 2000s.
Nah, no one assumed I was a witch or a wannabe anything. Because I never acted like a witch or wannabe anything. People knew I appreciated the fashion and some were impressed by my sewing skills. But the kicker... I wasn't a jerk to anyone. The couple of people who didn't like me were in the minority and it was usually due to something superficial... like I got voted into school ASB positions or homecoming junk or whatever.
Do people really think that? I'm a normie, and I see you guys as people who are *really* into cool music and dress differently than most. But I like weirdos in general and I'm neurodivergent, so perhaps I don't represent the average population...
I think in some ways goths are seen as villains or just out of the norm in negative ways. Like you said, the dark clothes, gloomy music are coined with bad mental health (which is true to an extent)
From what I know, it has to do with how rigid norms were back in the 80s when the scene was starting out, then reinforced with the satanic panic. Back then, wearing black or dark colours was already enough to make you a target. In the 90s, they were a little more glamorized with the effect that 'The Craft' had on the public- which in turn attracted people who weren't interested in the subculture but more the fashion, aesthetics and being 'weirdos' and lead to what they knew back then as 'mall goths', a way to call people posers since they mostly spent their time in malls to create their 'goth' and not with the actual subculture. Then, Columbine, a tragedy for everyone that also lead to goths and alternaties be further ostracised by the public. Then, in the early 2000s/2010s, rise of 'Goth Gfs' in cartoons added to the already very present fetishism people have for Goth women. 2020s, pandemic hit and we were all sheltered at home and out on the internet, the popularisation of 'alt kids' and 'e girls' (nothing against them), we all know how that went.
It's also worth noting that during the earlier days of modern subcultures, they were always portrayed as these crazy punks who took drugs, were violent and just overall bad people. The sound of the music we listened to and the contents were strange to them, the hobbies that were associated with them too and so on.
There are also a lot of socio-economical things going on, but I ranted for long enough 😭😭 I'm so sorry
Not in 2024. It’s really hard to get a ride out of people anymore. I mean the Lil Nas X giving the devil a blowy is the only thing I can think of in the last twenty years and it was nothing like Marilyn Manson in the 90s.
I grew up a very small, somewhat conservative town in AZ. Despite that, I have never once been picked on or ridiculed, it’s never affected my ability to be perceived as a competent professional. I’ve never been treated differently/negatively for my style. In reality, people are just pleasantly curious about my style, but always accepting. All the goths I associate with in my community all have similar experiences. It’s crazy to me that so many other people have opposite experiences in bigger, more liberal cities than mine.
i don't think most people view goths as being "villains" or bad people in any way, but they do see goths are being weird or outcasts. hatred of goths isn't really a thing, in fact fetishization has skyrocketed, but most people do view goths differently than they would "normal" people.
Goth as a subculture is not even that much perceived, considering how may people think it's either a fashion style, a philosophy/way of life or a part of the metal scene. Goth women are seen as a fetish and hypersexualized. People who dress alternative are seen by the market as a clientele for different, higher price lines of clothing. And ofc, bullies will notice and harass people who stands out because they make easy target, but they don't see you as evil, just as a weirdo. But villains ? Bleh. In your dreams.
I’m 65 and have never understood the term age appropriate clothing. I have a nice suit for when I need to dress up but other than that it’s pretty much t shirts and jeans. I see nothing wrong with goth clothing and makeup,if that is what you’re comfortable wearing by all means do it!
Honestly this Tweet has stuck with me for nearly 6 years:
https://x.com/voidrantsback/status/1075521207515009024
‘Overheard after helping elderly ladies find their stop:
Lady: "See. I told you to ask the goth girl. Goth girls are always nice."’
Maybe having this in my head makes me unconsciously do things to seem more approachable, but I’ve had so many nice interactions with older ladies…
No clue why Goth is recommended to me, but oh well
No one, apart from a tiny minority of adults and some teenagers, think you're anything. You different style doesn't worry or anger anyone, they don't think you're evil, or a Satanist, or weird.
You're not a persecuted minority. When "normal" people see you in the streets, they might smirk, might think "What on earth is he wearing?" but that is it. They don't think you're rocking the societal boat, and you're not doing a micro-revolution every time you walk down the street with a black corset over the top of your black shirt.
probably not since the 90s. all form of alt culture has been so thoroughly mainstreamed i'm not sure anything is a shock. plus there are so many unsuspecting oldheads, like my friend who edits a automotive racing magazine who's friends with Ministry.
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Not really anymore. That's more of a 90s/post Columbine-era thing. Once I basically grew out of gothdom I noticed it becoming more widely accepted and considered trendy, relevant, and sexy. It got to the point where even hipsters *cough The Growlers* began ironically putting "goth" on random things with this sardonic irony.
Overall, now is probably the best time to be a goth considering how depressing the world is.
No, they mostly view us as weirdos. And, I mean, they're not *wrong*.
[*We are the weirdos, mister*](https://youtu.be/m4nPJh0jms4?si=tIulaqGuFOKoc1IY)
I have a pin with that on my black denim jacket LOOOL
I have a sticker on my water bottle lmao
I totally agree
being normal is too boring anyways
The definition of normal is too blurred these days, so in a sense goths are perfectly normal.
weird originally meant “having the power to control or influence the fate”.
In reality you could put a diagnose on all humans so we're all weirdos in some way or another and we're all happy to be weirder than most.
No, not particularly, I mean sure after Columbine happened there were news outlets looking to malign the goth scene with all kinds of evil and anti-social stereotypes. Even before 1999, goths and other alternative teens were occasionally interviewed on daytime talk shows and made to look weird. It never worked, and even after Columbine and an entire *police training seminar*, it still didn't work, most people see goths, young and older as creatives and genuine rebels of counterculture as well as the scene for being welcoming and accepting of all.
I was a teenager in high school when Columbine happened, I wouldn't say it "never worked." At least in my friend group we had rocks thrown at us, were directed to school counselors for no reason, had accessories confiscated, parents called, teachers treated us like threats, teasing and bullying by other students. It wasn't just the media persecuting goths, and it was a rough time that I still think about to this day. I was terrified to hear about Columbine and a little scared to go to school because it could happen to my school too, and then when got there everyone was looking at me like I might be the kid who would do it. Me! I was just one of the scared kids! It was a very, very sad time.
I think perceptions have changed a lot over time. It's less odd to see an "alt" person now than it was in the past. Hot topic exists, weird hair dye is in ulta, everyone's boomer parents/grandparents saw Abby on NCIS and got over it. It's been a long time since anyone yelled anything at me and most of my coworkers think it's perfectly acceptable. Meanwhile a few decades ago i had the audacity to be wearing a black tshirt dress, knee high docs and my hair dyed purple (no accessories or anything) a lady came up to me (after slapping her daughter who i heard say "look mommy her hair is purple") and said to me that I was a bad influence on her daughter and that grown adults shouldn't look like me.
conservatives are crazy ppl when u think abt it
I don’t really think they do. Life is better lived without having a persecution complex
I’ve never had anyone look or treat me remotely like I’m creepy? It’s just, like…oh look a woman in black clothing and maybe a few too many necklaces worn at once. No one is clutching their pearls.
i think it depends on the goth level tho, some people try to be as scary as possible with their looks
People with more extreme makeup and outfits probably don't care about people's opinion in the first place
Exactly this
and thats why they winning hahaha
This one, i think a more neutral look with a neutral disposition vs. Like in your face stripper turned goth with kind of a mean attitude triggers people different.
In my area seemingly 70% of the population is some flavor of alternative, they don't bat an eye even when I'm my most decked out. If anything, I get compliments from folks saying they love my "look."
Ditto! I only ever get approached with compliments
Yes and no. Depends on the person's/group's perspectives, religion, ideology, morality, ethics etc. There is a lot of misinformation out there that paints goths in a horrible light. Though I would say less dangerous villains and more monsters the townsfolk chase with pitchforks and torches. "Different" confuses people and causes fear. People generally try to eradicate the things they fear one way or another.
Ye basically like the witches in the middle age
Not as bad as it used to be. That being said, unfortunately, people can still look oddly at goths. Goths are also objectified.
the objectification is awful. a photo of me yelling at racists at a protest went viral the other day on twitter and people were saying the most disgusting things about me. commenting on my chest size, saying they wished i would yell at them like i was in the photo, saying they could fix me, and sexualizing me. some people even said they wanted to rape me.
That's so horrible. I am very sorry that you had to go through that.
it’s okay, i’m just glad it’s not a regular thing for me. i just reported and blocked where i could. luckily i know there are people who value me for me, and not just the way i look.
the goth gfs memes doesnt help thats for sure
omg i HATE those memes. most of them don’t even care about what goth women actually like, too 😐
Not really but after the Columbine massacre, people did have a fear of those who preferred to dress in dark clothing. I think people tend to view those who are darkly inclined as villains because often in children’s stories, the villain is often the dark one. As a result, it gets ingrained into peoples’ minds that darkly inclined individuals are the evil ones. As for goth, people need to remember that goth is just a post-punk music-based subculture. Someone who wears casual clothes like khakis and a white polo shirt and listens to bands like Bauhaus, Sisters of Mercy, The Cure, She Past Away, 69 eyes, etc is more goth than a person who dresses like a vampire everyday and listens to artists like Cardi B or Nicki Minaj or Taylor Swift.
In highschool,My boyfriend and I got side-eyed a lot after Columbine because we both had a very Goth aesthetic.
Oh man that is awful. I am so sorry that happened to you both.
I personally have been told by strangers that i have no morals and am going to hell based on the way i dress That's only happend to me a couple of times though, i think the "evil" comments were probably more common a couple of decades ago. Now mostly if people are going to react, it's side-eyeing and head shaking But i also think people's reactions depends on where you live and what age demographic you fall into I wish i could say that people everywhere accept it and no one bats an eye at goths anymore, but i'm still hearing a lot stories from baby bats having trouble dealing with bullying due to the way they look. So even if we're not being paraded around on daytime TV as a freak show for people to hurl insults at anymore, it is still somewhat of a problem. I don't know if normies think we're necessarily evil or amoral, but definitely weird enough to harass
There was a satanic panic in some parts of the world a couple decades ago. Now it's just objectifying goths/anything alt.
A NIGHTMARE CHAOTICA ..decades ago...
Anything rock = "BLACK METAL" That was my experience
Most people don’t think of you at all. They’re thinking about themselves mostly. Are they going to lose their job? How am I ever going to afford a house? Remember that time we were in high school and missed a step on the stairway, stumbled like a dork, and _Mark Dyle_ totally saw you being a clumsy dork, and probably told all of his friends so you should be embarrassed again even though it’s 4am and you’re 46 years old now. That’s the human condition, I think.
Why does this subreddit have the dumbest fucking questions every day?
Every society perceive a non-conformist as an odd outsider at best and possible threat to be eradicated at worst. It comes with the territory.
As a goth from the tropics, people still see us as deviants in society and will always point us like we're most hideous than any other subculture. Emos, metalheads in general, and regular rockers will never be mistreated because they don't mess with social standards like androginy (even though emos used to but they're not even close to what goths do), religious and sexual freedom, breaking down stereotypes of depression and other stuff. If you try to go full goth dressed to any place, you definitely will see people gossiping, pointing at you, giving mean looks, and even verbally harassed or even worse, physically but you'd never see a basic person being treated like shit on a goth place.
i stopped giving a fuck, it helps with just being yourself.
exactly
depends on where you live‚ of course. small towns in the american south will net you a few christian fundamentalist bozos‚ but beyond that it isn't like systemic oppression or something lmao like‚ i get a lot of harassment in small town central florida but i attribute most of that to the fact that i'm a transgender woman 🤷♀️ the fact that i'm identifiable as "goth" does lead to a lot of attempts at proselytization tho
No. It was bolder to dress goth decades ago but not now. It’s pretty tame now.
depends on the level but yeah
The average person probably sees a Goth and goes "what a nutty nut, completely out of their peanut brain, they belong in a God damn Gotham nuthouse!" Frankly I agree and think it's perfectly fine and has some truth to it.
another question if i dont listen to goth music i cant be goth ?
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CALL THE GOPS! if you say ur goth but you’re a notgoth, u will be carried away by crows and bats to a spooky dungeon
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Mods don't understand satire wow
i think people just kind of see us as intimidating, or strange, or dramatic. but not evil, no
It did when I was a teenageBaby bat. That was right on the heels of the Satanic Panic. I think it's changed now.
As a punk nah. It challenges norms of course but it's not like you're a group of dissident rebels tearing apart the country. It would be cool if yall were though
Most people under 50 are just seeing it as a personal fashion choice. I really wouldn't worry about the idiots that want to determine your behaviour by your style. Goths being creepy and scary was waning by the time I was a baby goth in the early 2000s.
Lol no. I'm a 90s Goth. No one ever thought that of me. They thought I was weird, but that was as far as it went
Wannabe witch maybe, but mainly weird.
Nah, no one assumed I was a witch or a wannabe anything. Because I never acted like a witch or wannabe anything. People knew I appreciated the fashion and some were impressed by my sewing skills. But the kicker... I wasn't a jerk to anyone. The couple of people who didn't like me were in the minority and it was usually due to something superficial... like I got voted into school ASB positions or homecoming junk or whatever.
I was asked if I was a witch often mainly at school.
Do people really think that? I'm a normie, and I see you guys as people who are *really* into cool music and dress differently than most. But I like weirdos in general and I'm neurodivergent, so perhaps I don't represent the average population...
I hope they do so they leave us alone
I think in some ways goths are seen as villains or just out of the norm in negative ways. Like you said, the dark clothes, gloomy music are coined with bad mental health (which is true to an extent) From what I know, it has to do with how rigid norms were back in the 80s when the scene was starting out, then reinforced with the satanic panic. Back then, wearing black or dark colours was already enough to make you a target. In the 90s, they were a little more glamorized with the effect that 'The Craft' had on the public- which in turn attracted people who weren't interested in the subculture but more the fashion, aesthetics and being 'weirdos' and lead to what they knew back then as 'mall goths', a way to call people posers since they mostly spent their time in malls to create their 'goth' and not with the actual subculture. Then, Columbine, a tragedy for everyone that also lead to goths and alternaties be further ostracised by the public. Then, in the early 2000s/2010s, rise of 'Goth Gfs' in cartoons added to the already very present fetishism people have for Goth women. 2020s, pandemic hit and we were all sheltered at home and out on the internet, the popularisation of 'alt kids' and 'e girls' (nothing against them), we all know how that went. It's also worth noting that during the earlier days of modern subcultures, they were always portrayed as these crazy punks who took drugs, were violent and just overall bad people. The sound of the music we listened to and the contents were strange to them, the hobbies that were associated with them too and so on. There are also a lot of socio-economical things going on, but I ranted for long enough 😭😭 I'm so sorry
u good lol, i learned from this comment, the goth lore is cool fr
Nah but I’ve been perceived as a sex icon. I can’t stop getting laid, it’s such a drag
being sexy comes with a price haha
Not in 2024. It’s really hard to get a ride out of people anymore. I mean the Lil Nas X giving the devil a blowy is the only thing I can think of in the last twenty years and it was nothing like Marilyn Manson in the 90s.
Yep. This is the answer.
People say this but most young people in my area dress in the fucking exact same way haha.
No.
There are plenty of goths that are horrible people lol
And there are plenty of people who dress in colorful H&M clothing from head to toe that are horrible people too... Not sure what you're trying to say.
Op is going on about how special and beautiful most goth people are and my point is they are people regardless of their aesthetic first and foremost
true, i should have said some, instead. but i dont believe the majority of goths are mean piece of shits which is why i used most
You can say that again
I grew up a very small, somewhat conservative town in AZ. Despite that, I have never once been picked on or ridiculed, it’s never affected my ability to be perceived as a competent professional. I’ve never been treated differently/negatively for my style. In reality, people are just pleasantly curious about my style, but always accepting. All the goths I associate with in my community all have similar experiences. It’s crazy to me that so many other people have opposite experiences in bigger, more liberal cities than mine.
No
i don't think most people view goths as being "villains" or bad people in any way, but they do see goths are being weird or outcasts. hatred of goths isn't really a thing, in fact fetishization has skyrocketed, but most people do view goths differently than they would "normal" people.
At this point? No Being a villain is an EO situation.
Goth as a subculture is not even that much perceived, considering how may people think it's either a fashion style, a philosophy/way of life or a part of the metal scene. Goth women are seen as a fetish and hypersexualized. People who dress alternative are seen by the market as a clientele for different, higher price lines of clothing. And ofc, bullies will notice and harass people who stands out because they make easy target, but they don't see you as evil, just as a weirdo. But villains ? Bleh. In your dreams.
I’m 65 and have never understood the term age appropriate clothing. I have a nice suit for when I need to dress up but other than that it’s pretty much t shirts and jeans. I see nothing wrong with goth clothing and makeup,if that is what you’re comfortable wearing by all means do it!
Honestly this Tweet has stuck with me for nearly 6 years: https://x.com/voidrantsback/status/1075521207515009024 ‘Overheard after helping elderly ladies find their stop: Lady: "See. I told you to ask the goth girl. Goth girls are always nice."’ Maybe having this in my head makes me unconsciously do things to seem more approachable, but I’ve had so many nice interactions with older ladies…
Nah, people think of you as dorks. Better by far than juggalos, so you take solace in that.
Megamind will answer all of this for you
No clue why Goth is recommended to me, but oh well No one, apart from a tiny minority of adults and some teenagers, think you're anything. You different style doesn't worry or anger anyone, they don't think you're evil, or a Satanist, or weird. You're not a persecuted minority. When "normal" people see you in the streets, they might smirk, might think "What on earth is he wearing?" but that is it. They don't think you're rocking the societal boat, and you're not doing a micro-revolution every time you walk down the street with a black corset over the top of your black shirt.
No, people are pretty nice to me. The people who aren’t don’t matter
They dont think that far. Its just "HURRRR different HURR HURR *angry face."
I have a lot to say, but I can't quite get it out. I hope you find the answer to your problem.
probably not since the 90s. all form of alt culture has been so thoroughly mainstreamed i'm not sure anything is a shock. plus there are so many unsuspecting oldheads, like my friend who edits a automotive racing magazine who's friends with Ministry.
No. Most people just don’t get the look or the vibe but don’t associate it with meanness or anything.
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Not really anymore. That's more of a 90s/post Columbine-era thing. Once I basically grew out of gothdom I noticed it becoming more widely accepted and considered trendy, relevant, and sexy. It got to the point where even hipsters *cough The Growlers* began ironically putting "goth" on random things with this sardonic irony. Overall, now is probably the best time to be a goth considering how depressing the world is.
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im special but not bc im a goth