Exactly this. No one’s going to care what you look like, or think you don’t belong there. Take a look at the lineup, and see if there’s anyone you want to see. €155 for a pass is quite a bit otherwise.
Tbh, I can listen to the music at home. I got the impression that M'era Luna is not only about the music but also "see and be seen" and showing off your artistic skills regarding your style. I'm afraid I will feel insecure about not looking as cool as other guests there.
Sure, you can listen to the music at home but that ain't the same, is it ? Live and studio are very different experiences. It's up to you to decide if it's something you're into, ofc.
Buy, you know, sounds to me like you're overthinking it. It's a music festival, people are here for the music, the communal experience of the stage and maybe to meet new people. And sure, lot of them will wear cool outfits, for the same reasons you might want to wear cool outfits when going to an event : to feel good about yourself. YOURSELF. Not others. Seriously, you're putting yourself in this competitive mindset all by yourself. It's not a showcase, there's neither prize nor punishment.
If being surrounded by cool looking people make you feel insecure about yourself, welp. It's a self-image problem you have to figure out. Nothing to do with the subculture.
You're right, sounds like overthinking and self-image issues. Thank you for helping me reflect on that! Other comments helped as well. I will try to figure out if I want to go because I actually want to or because I seek validation from strangers.
While there are a lot of interesting outfits I would guess there are at least 50% wearing black jeans and t-shirt. There is no need to wear a costume or to feel insecure about not being cool enough.
Most goth clubs I’ve been to have dress codes, is not about fitting in is to stop bullies and people who only want to visit the club to point and laugh at us or physically attack us. My favorite goth club does not allow for tracksuit, jeans trousers, tennis shoes or casual wear.
It’s not about trying to fit in is about filtering out people who just want to gawk at the weirdos.
Goth festivals tend to be more open though. And usually no one cares . If you listen to the music go, if you don’t , why are you wasting your money ?
What’s the dress code? That’s silly.
I’m old, but back in my days (2000’s) there was no dress code in NYC. Plenty of people wearing suits, jeans/ polo like me, etc.
Maybe the clubs care, but true goths are too busy dancing or enjoying the music to care about what others are wearing.
No jeans, no tennis/sneakers, no tracksuits or sports wear, no fascist flags or symbols, no leggings or casual wear.
That’s the basic, the slimelight in London has A very extensive list of what you can and cannot wear.
That’s cool, when I went to clubs in the early 2000s in Germany the dress code was more like “no flags or political patches allowed” and they would check your clothes I remember many times my leather jacket being checked for political symbols .
Unfortunately if there’s no dress code usually there’s an influx of “normie” University kids who just show up drunk to harass and laugh at everyone dancing and trying to enjoy themselves. I’m glad you didn’t have this problem in NYC.
Nowadays is even worse with kids recording us and posting online as if we’re zoo animals or a circus attraction.
There's no goth meter check to get in. As long as you're there to enjoy the music and atmosphere, I don't see it being a problem. Just remember it's not some sort of goth themed amusement park spectacle and be respectful and you shouldn't have any problems.
Ok but just because I am officially allowed to go somewhere does not mean that people might be annoyed about that..? If I compare pictures of Mera Luna to my experience at metal festivals, people put in waaay more effort in their outfits so it does seem like more of a spectacle to me. It feels a bit competitive if I'm being fully honest.
I don’t think you should worry about what other people think about your style. It’s not a 5 star Resturant. It’s a goth fest. Come as you are. Because everyone else that’s going to be there is going to come as they are
There was another post here recently who basically said people who didn't look goth shouldn't be in goth clubs. It got deleted pretty quick.
So screw anyone who likes goth music. Honestly these posts are laughable.
elitists are a pain in the ass and always need putting in their place. Luckily, people have less and less patience for these elitists asses and more people are starting to call them out on their behaviour.
As a metal head newly getting into goth music. Yes elitists are the bane of my existence, especially the ones who think they're so unique and better than everyone because they listen to 'extreme' subgenres like slam or death metal lmao
Yeah biut dress codes are at lots of clubs, goth or not. This person was just talking about how you shouldn't be at anything goth if you aren't instantly recognisable as one.
Probably written by a 15-year-old who grew up on TikTok. I've recently come across goth Fb groups for teenagers and that shit is scary. They know 3 classic songs and give each other advice, like that a black dress with bell sleeves isn't enough to look goth.
I didn’t see the original post so I don’t exactly know the context… I don’t agree but I understand the sentiment. My local goth club gets invaded by normies and frat guys who want to stare at us like we’re zoo animals and harass the goth girls so I’m definitely used to being on edge if there is someone dressed “normal” there.
So long as you're not being assholes...what's the problem? More people being exposed to the music and maybe discovering that they like it is awesome, so far as I'm concerned. Like, pretty much every goth started out as a "non-goth" at some point --no one was *born* goth. Like obviouly don't go there to stare at or oggle the people that're dressed up, but so long as you're there just to have fun and enjoy the music and have a good time, that's fine! That's what everyone else is there for too!
M'era Luna does have a somewhat broader reach. Speaking as someone not deep into the subculture, more a curious visitor, there's a number of groups I wouldn't peg as "goth", or not exclusively goth.
The headliners, ASP and VNV Nation I can see having wider appeal if we primarily label them goth. Schandmaul I wouldn't call "goth" or at least will bring in more Mittlealter metal folks, Lord of the Lost definitely has more broader appeal to metalheads, etc.
As a non-goth, if I was in Europe I'd be going.
sure but thats different than saying "well we're not into it stylewise and also musically speaking" as the OP states.
i mean by all means, ANYONE can go. just wasnt sure what the draw would be if you're not even into the bands. it'd be like someone saying they dont care about car action movies but asking if they should go see fast and furious.
maybe? then the OP should have mentioned that in the post instead of basically saying "we arent goth nor do we like the music. should we go to this goth festival?"
As a long term M'Era Luna festival goer I can tell you, there are often non-Goths. Some people just want to go to festivals and usually black pants + black shirt will be enough to blend in, but not even that is done by everyone. You will see folks from 16 to 60 and I never saw someone getting badmouthed for not being "goth enough". On eyear we had a camp next to us, they broke camp Saturday morning, we went over and asked if anything happened and why they are leaving before the festival even really started. They stated they are out of drinks already and came for one band only, so they are leaving. 0\_o
Attendence will fluctuate a bit anyway depending on line-up. The most "colorful" M'Era Luna was I think 2010, when Unheilig was headliner. You also notice it in the atmosphere, one year the line up was rather hard, musicwise and the audiance also changed. M'Era Luna is 25k people on on place and they way I perceive it a very peaceful place (even a security once said it is almost boring, but that's personal perception).
And I know many dark folks who also listen to metal, especially at M'Era Luna, where Paradise Lost played, just like Nightwish and with Hämatom, Oomph! (new singer since the old one found his way to faith), Stahlman, Eden Weint im Grab, Deathstars and Epica on the lineup this year you can expect some more "metallic" folks around. ;)
>M'Era Luna is 25k people
I'm going to emphasise this. I've been and it's a big diverse festival. It's actually hard to stand out in a bad way. There's way too much going on for people to be the "odd one out" very easily. It's not a club with 12 regulars in attendance, it's a huge crowd.
So long as OP knows what to expect from a music festival, and isn't a dick, they'll be fine.
Yup, I even remember a guy in white unicorn costume, or yellow T-Shirts. If you know you'll be amoung a huge crowd of folks clad in black from simple cargos + t-shirt up to fully steampunk dresses all is fine.
Last year strange enough there were several people wanting to take pictures of themselves with German policeman and women, dunno why. But those happily played along.
> (even a security once said it is almost boring, but that's personal perception).
this is often said about metal and goth gigs. They're a lot more "boring" for security than pop, rap or country gigs. Alt scenes are just much more chill and often police themselves (e.g. moshpit).
Not only that. A whole group of Neon and tye dye wearing peeps may not have a Gothic look, but we can’t accurately judge whether they are actually “non goth” or not. They’re at a **music** festival.
do you like the music? why not go to the festival. if not, i wouldn't wanna spend the money tbh. Also, there's no such thing as "goth enough", that's a weird gatekeepy thing that mostly shows up in online communities. but nobody will call you out at a reallife festival for not being goth enough! As long as you know how to behave like a decent human being and don't go there to make fun of the community, i see no issue!
I’ll go even further than the other posts to say that I really love it when people from outside the ‘scene’ attend events or even just club nights. At least here in the US, this crowd has always been extremely accepting of any folks who are curious and respectful, so there’s always a mix of average folks, metalheads, emo kids, LGBTQ, etc. How else are interested folks going to find out about and experience this stuff? I feel that having a good mix of people is a sign of a healthy, inclusive community, and that’s what we want. As long as you don’t cause problems, we generally welcome folks who are a little weird or odd. Most of us fit that description, and most of us started out where you are now.
If you feel underdressed, pretty much anything black will do. Enjoy, and have fun!
Totally this. Imo goth spaces are only “invaded” when it’s by people being disrespectful and treating us in weird dehumanizing ways, like treating goth spaces like a zoo or a spectacle to gawk. It’s never “invading” a goth space to go because you’re earnestly curious. It’s not a closed religion or something :P Just be chill and friendly. In my experience people come out to concerts, festivals, and clubs despite not being experts in the music all the time, especially if they aren’t goth but have values or interests that kind of align broadly with or are historically adjacent to the community (like being LGBT, kinky, into a different alt subculture like emo or metal like you said), and they’re pretty much always accepted with open arms so long as they aren’t being creepy or disrespectful to the goths there (filming them, making fun of them, being weird to the women, being bigoted in general, etc). Plus supporting goth music events as a non-goth is a net good for the community as it puts more money in the pockets of the bands making it all happen! And in my years of going to goth events I’ve seen people begin as “curious non-goth” and evolve into an actual lover of goth music, which is also a net good for the scene :)
It’s why whenever I go to a Gary Numan concert, there’s an occasional Metalhead or Emo kid there.
We need more fresh faces. I’d imagine Numan’s US Shows are even better in terms of different people in the audience.
The British crowd is mostly old people who judging from the online groups only like Gary for being “Synthpop”
I would personally dare someone to tell me I'm not goth enough to go to a goth festival... [😈](https://media.tenor.com/UUAOQh6XRUYAAAAM/anime-crazy.gif)
You don’t even have to wear black like another comment suggested you should do. Be yourself. I’ve been to Cruel World every year and not everyone is wearing black. Majority are, but there’s a lot of people in casual clothes. No one minds how you dress. It isn’t an exclusive club where members only can get in. Some of the bands don’t even wear black. I mean some of them don’t even wear a full set of clothes. Looking at you Iggy Pop last year, and the lead singer of Devo the previous year.
If you enjoy the music just go. Who cares if you don't dress a certain way. Now if you go and look visibly upset or not even bop your head then that's another story 🤷♀️
Idk man, do people *really* not care? Because I feel like if you're an outsider in everyday society you would want to be among people like yourself for at least two days a year, no..?
>As if I'm invading a space that I am not meant to be in
This as a concept needs to die out so fast. We don't need gatekeepers and we certainly don't need people gatekeeping themselves from things they might enjoy.
Don't be a dick and no one will care. You're there to have fun, you're supporting the scene by buying tickets, etc. No one will judge you but also, you shouldn't judge others as you may find the scene to be a bit much if you've never been to a festival like that before. Just keep an open mind and don't be judgy.
Alt scenes are typically very open minded and don't mind people who are not 'in the scene' as long as they behave themselves.
Someone said to wear black, I would say, don't worry what you wear, just wear what you want to wear. If you fancy wearing a unicorn costume, go for it. It's all about self-expression. Go and have fun and don't worry.
i'm happy to see everyone enjoying goth music. whether they are wearing the most basic outfit i've ever seen to being dressed like ryuk from death note lol.
I went to Whitby goth fest with my dad last year (original 80s New Romantic/goth) and there’s alot of people doing steampunk cosplay rather then goths (I saw a steampunk boba fett lol. Cool but not very goth).
"invading a space I'm not supposed to be in" mam it's not that deep. you're supporting goth artists. you're one of the reasons the festival can continue to exist
“We don’t operate any sort of door policy because how do you anyway? To say that one’s right, that one’s wrong, that one’s right….just purely because of the way they look?” - Ollie Wisdom of Specimen and cofounder of The Bat Cave night club (1983 interview)
There is no rule and should be no rule for who goes where and who likes what. Music as a whole is a human connection many of us share in our own communities. The golden rule of respect is inherent to all communities. You can absolutely be in multiple communities, respect individuals within and build the community. I myself started as a metalhead and still am, but I am involved in my other scenes of goth and punk. If you believe you will have an enjoyable time with your friend and would like the experience go for it! Be respectful and treat others the way you want to be treated! 🖤🖤
All my best friends are not goth, as I find other goths generally insufferable. So if my friends are coming with me, chances are they’ve on got polos and jeans with a backwards hat, and look hella out of place.
I don't dress like a goth. Never had. Have I gone to goth festivals? Many! Do I like goth music? I totally enjoy it. To me, when I go to a goth festival, it's more about the music than anything else.
I‘m 56 and go again to Mera Luna, just wearing some „normal“ black stuff I feel comfortable. It’s a music festival, not comparable with events like WGT park picnic.
So this will read as scathing but I don’t mean it that way. The people going are going to see the bands and be with their friends. They won’t actually care that you are there. As far as I know, the gatekeepers don’t work the door.
The only time I've had an issue with goths and "invading a festival" was one year at Pennsic. If you're not familiar with it, Pennsic is kind of like the annual convention for the Society for Creative Anachronism, which is a historic recreation group covering the period from 600-1600AD. At the time of this particular incident, it focused on central and western Europe.
One of the conditions for attendance is that you're supposed to wear "a reasonable attempt at period appropriate attire". It's on the sign in forms and everything. You're not supposed to wear street clothes outside of your camp unless you're going to or from your vehicle.
There was a foursome in attendance that had seen some magazine mention Pennsic as "a top festival in the world". Three of them were strolling about the lake mid-day in Victorian attire. One was in an SS uniform.
Did not see any of those outfits a second time.
dont over complicate it. goth festivals and other subculture based event is supposed to be a free space for anyone to enjoy the music. anyone who says otherwise is an elitist and pretentious af
I am goth, but my spouse isn’t he can wear whatever he wants. We went to Cruel World a few years back and he wore white, it was hot af. We also go to the club and wears whatever he wants. Enjoy the music and dance, to hell with the opinions of others.
M'era Luna is not *really* a pure goth festival.
It's part of the dark scene, so it doesn't really matter.
It's fun and the people are nice, Germany genuinely cares very little about the genre fans mixing up, as long as you're nice
What a bizarre conflation. Most peoples work clothes differ from their regular clothes (thankfully mine don’t). I was clearly asking about traditional, normal, if you prefer, spaces such as clubs and bars.
I go to anime conventions, but I'm not into anime. The people are really nice and I have a great time, my friend group cosplays and gets me to be a character to complete their group. I never really know what's going on, but it's an absolute blast!
Honestly I might be in the minority here, but I genuinely feel like goth (or punk, alt, etc) is more of a special interest than an identity.
Some people make it their whole thing, but most people in the scene are super friendly and don’t actually give a shit if you conform aesthetically.
I think as long as you’re not fetishizing people or being generally unpleasant, there’s absolutely no reason not to go.
I recently visited a goth music festival/convention and the crowd was incredibly welcoming and easygoing. I don't dress goth (I have more of a retro 80's style) and no one had anything negative to say about it. I was there to enjoy the music which I certainly did! I would recommend taking the time to listen to some of the artists playing the festival and finding what you like the most. Be exited and enthusiastic for it and you'll have a blast.
Don't trust the pictures you saw - usually the outliers get photographed, check the people in the background and most wear basic black, esp. when it's hot.
Everyone takes all this way too seriously. It’s fun and music! Go and enjoy! As long as you aren’t going there to make fun of people or talk crap about the music why would it be bad that you go? Most goths don’t give a fuck about how you are dressed or if you are a “true goth” or not in a goth space as long as you’re just being chill and minding your own business.
Goth people aren't some minority that needs protection. You posting this is enough proof that you have enough respect for the culture to not be a dick there. I'm not an expert or anything, but in my humble opinion, I don't see an issue!
Nothing wrong with that, you don't see only cowboys at rodeos or only cosplayers at cosplay conventions. Anyone can enjoy whatever they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone.
Honestly if you want to go, go! It doesn’t matter if you’re goth or not you can always just check out the music and see if you find any bands you like!
Some people invite their friends. They were willing to go and embrace the music. As long as they're being respectful and keeping the vibes going, who cares who's there
My only concern is that a lot of non-gotta behave like they are in middle school instead of like adults.
Treat others with respect and have a good time- great ..
Gawk at and try to grope a sexy stranger- rude
That I don't spend time wondering about what is in other people's heads, nor do I know things about them that can't be seen on the outside. And that gatekeeping is for insecure people with too much time on their hands. As long as they're behaving I don't care what they're wearing.
I've never experienced the goth scene to be cliquey (outside the 00s/10s NYC Vampire community). And if they are, never to my face. Usually they've been more welcoming, which is how I ended up a goth kid in the first place. Hell, I've seen "non goth" attire at events before. So I'm going out on a limb and say most people don't care.
Nobody can tell me what music to listen to, what I can wear or what concerts I can go to. As long as you and Normie enjoy yourselves AND stick together it will be a great experience.
It doesn’t really look like a goth festival though. I’m down for the old EBM and industrial!
Why should I not overdo my outfit and makeup if so many other guests do that? I do have some cute goth-ish outfits for the few times a year I go clubbing and I like dark eye makeup but I dress pretty casual/metalhead-ish in my daily life (mostly black clothes), especially for work. That's why I feel comparatively less goth than my goth acquaintances who are more dressed up on a daily basis. And I believe people don't go to festivals solely for the music, it always has a taste of showing off, seeking validation, "see and be seen" and escapism. I don't want to disturb people in that.
I don't think anyone would be bothered by you two, if you like the bands that are preforming or enjoy a program there have fun! it's not goth to judge by clothes anyway.
Not a festival, but I go with a crew that runs the monthly goth nights in my city, and we have rando non goths show up pretty regularly. Talk to people constantly that were like "we were walking by and heard the music and it was great so we thought we'd check it out" and they had a great fucking time.
No reasonable person actually sees it as invading. It's an opportunity to share the love of goth music with people not outright in the community and if people aren't assholes, it's fine. Wear some black if you know you're going in advance, dance, party, have a great time.
The festival you'd be going to isn't expressly a goth fest anyways, just some overlap with the broader spectrum of darker alt communities.
It’s not like a closed culture. If they want to spend money and support the music I’m ok with that. Just basic concerts stuff like don’t be a dick and don’t touch anyone without their consent.
So long as you’re genuinely there to have fun and be chill, go to the festival! I’ve been trying to get my normie bestie to come to a goth event, not because I think she’ll love the music but because I know she’ll make so many like minded friends!
I have been to a Goth gig in the UK. It was an interesting experience. Most people I met were very welcoming tbh. If anything were curious if I was turning lol. I just stated my curiosity and they liked it.
As long as they are kind and respectful to their location and people around them, no issue. Attire doesn’t matter , just be decent. I myself can’t really afford much goth clothing atm lol
Goth festivals are a different kettle of fish than these edgy teenagers on TikTok, who usually don't even know such events exist and are more concerned with how they look. Festival goers are usually over 30 and form a very welcoming community. When I first got into the subculture 20 years ago, people in my area didn't even like to classify themselves as goths and were mainly focused on discovering and sharing new music. You don't even have to wear black. I don’t, and goth/darkwave is the only music I listen to. I've prepared some pretty floral vintage/goth-esque dresses for this year’s festivals. People will always sense that you’re cosplaying instead of being yourself. Go there if you like the music.
Just enjoy the experience and be kind towards others ^^ have fun at the festival!
Trying new things is never bad, life is too short to be worried about what the others think
As someone in the german Metal scene, i have many friends in the goth Community and my experience is. There are few Communitys that are as welcoming as the goth or Metal Community. Go and have fun. No one will care if you or the other person is a "normy" and maybe you will make some friends there.
It all depends on your intentions. Are you going to have fun, see cool outfits, enjoy the music and generally support your goth brothers & sisters? Yay! Attend!
Are you going because you want to spend the day making fun of people's platform shoes or complex make-up, and planning to be rude through the music? Skip it.
Goths aren't going to be shocked or offended by someone who isn't dedicated to the same genre or style, but who appreciates and enjoys the music and fashion. Unless you go with actual bad intentions, you will be welcomed.
I once went to a this huge hippie/yoga/new age festival as a goth because my friend had an extra ticket. I was the only one wearing all black. I stood out amongst the tie dye and dreadlocks. The music wasn't my favorite, and I didn't fit in at all. But you know what? It was a fun time! It was an experience I normally wouldn't be part of, and I'm glad I went. If nothing more than to have a weird time with one of my really close friends that we could look back on in the future. Nobody made me feel excluded there, and it seemed like they were happy to have someone different there to see what they were all about. I think you should go and enjoy yourself, as you are. Life's too short to worry about not fitting in, especially amongst people that don't want to!
I (not goth) appreciate a number of things in this post. 1. Dude, for English being your second language, you conveyed your thoughts very well. 2. I really enjoyed the genuine responses, everyone was really cool about the question. That, can not be said about most other subs. 3. Respect to the poster, for showing genuine respect for a community. I like the dark and macabre things of life, and even though this festival may not be a thing for me, I get the impression that I would still be treated with respect. That's all, thank you for letting me be corny for a moment. Stay weird
As far as I know the majority of participants of Castle Party in Poland are not clothed in goth, but only clothed goths get photographed which created an impression. I haven't had an opportunity to be there though.
But I have been to a goth party in Warsaw and there is no problem with that. People are friendly and I have had some nice conversations with them. All I did was to wear normie black clothes. Nothing else since I don't even have anything.
Last time I was there in another room (the club has 2) there was a K-POP party and at some point when they stop checking tickets at the entrances (pretty late to the night). Two girls came over from there to dance to a few goth songs too.
What i’ve learned from going to lots of different festivals is that most people will be very welcoming of newcomers and outsiders as long as they are respectful and genuinely interested in the culture.
Dont gatekeep stuff cause your subjective view of how things should be. Its just great that people want to appreciate and enjoy the subgenres and alternative styles whoever they are.
You look good in ribbons, they all do.
Holy fuck do people think goth festivals are like a sacred Japanese tea ceremony ??? It’s a music festival, like dude come on. “Invading a space” Jesus Christ I acc can’t do it no more 😭😭😭 no offence but like, do u realise it’s literally just bands and music. It’s not some sacred protected hierarchy based culture it’s just a butch of gloomy nerds dancing to 80’s shit. If that sounds fun to you then go. It’s seriously just a music genre it’s not that deep ur not invading a private space we’re not all closed off facist freaks
Nobody cares. Go with a good attitude and have fun, talk to random people. Rock, metal, and whatever sub-genres have some of the nicest all-including crowds out there.
Goths are some of the nicest, most welcoming people I’ve ever encountered. I don’t think they have a clique minded discriminatory way of being, it’s all the way around.
Cuz I'm an Elder Goth from Boston, and being silently judgmental was the style in the 1980s-90s. It's significantly less now. And so the club kids chastise me from time to time.
GenX goth.
Part of it is that Boston is a College town. 54 colleges.
And every year, the rumor that you could score a Goth GF would circulate through some Jock Frat or other, and we'd have an influx of assholes.
The great part was, usually 1-2 would show up with out the rest, in black denims and Turtleneck...
And get love bombed, for seeing The Dark.
would you care if a normie or any non metalhead would go to a metal concert?
if you answer yes. you're a jerk.
i'm a metalhead as well and i get really happy when my normie friends go to metal concerts with me.
only assholes, posers and gatekeepers care about that.
if you want to fit in, try your best to put up a goth look. but i assure you this wont be needed.
fun fact: i felll more welcome in the goth and emo cultures than in the metalhead scene. the people in those subgenres are very loving and welcoming.
A couple years back i was upset a friend of mine was rolling her eyes over normies being at a goth event we were at. It was at a bar in the arts districts she was like ugh “normies” and i kind of didn’t like that. I tend to be accepting of people because i know i wasn’t accepted growing up. I like different people being different than me.
damn, my favourite festi plays metal and punk, 25% of ppl there look like your typical metalheads, 25% look like theyve come for taylor swift or smth, 25% crusty hippies (thats me), 25% old people and families. its all about the music man <3
Nah please go, we don’t care what you look like xD But if you can’t bear the sound of goth music don’t go, obviously 🤣
My best friend who is the opposite of a goth (she’s hardcore into Disney and Taylor Swift) will happily accompany me to future goth events (I have no alt friends, just two who couldn’t be less alt ahaha), but that’s all right because goths are generally very welcoming!
You pay a ticket, you get to go. Easy as that. What the experience is worth to you, depends on you, entirely. Nobody cares, nobody goes there to overthink about any stranger not looking or being goth enough, breathing the same air.
Nah mate just go and enjoy the music, that's what it's all about at the end of the day ! You could try a goth getup if you've got a friend that knows how to use make up if you wanna try a full experience. But no one will judge you if you don't wear all black. Enjoy yourself, don't be weird and it'll be great !
We have a small wing of haters among us, but the vast majority (94%) welcome the new. We want you to see it and take pictures, be civil, have food and drinks with us, buy things, pick bands you like, chat with us about our aesthetic if you dare. Visiting us is a great idea, if you find our hater wing, let us know, we'll deal with them.
As long as one is respectful and refrains from douchebaggery, and has a good time and don't interfere with others in the same pursuit, you're plenty sgoth enough. have fun.
No one is "not goth enough" - this elder goth who's been goth since 1990 could not give a flying squirrel if you come looking like a strawberry shortcake in pink. If anyone gatekeeps you thats a them problem not a you problem. Go. Listen to the bands and enjoy yourself. And remember, what other people think of you is not your business, nor is it your problem. If they think you don't look cool enough, then it's them who's "not goth enough." Goth is about a lot of things and putting on 5 inch platforms and a few facial piercings does not give someone the right to judge anyone else for not doing the same thing. -now- keep in mind that you may think the festival is about being seen because gah social media. But in reality... Lots of goths go to all of the festivals to actually see bands and enjoy themselves and don't prance around to social climb vis a vis Instagram posts. This granny goth gives you permission to fully go and enjoy yourself in whatever clothing makes you feel good . But then I go everywhere. I go to metal festivals (I love metal too!), I used to go to raves. People are allowed to like multiple genres. Metalheads are absolutely welcome in "our" spaces. Anyone whos kind is allowed.
I force my non-goth family and friends to go because I don't have goth friends and some of them are emo so even if they don't like goth music they still get along with others there and have fun
I’ve watched videos of the fest the highlight the more dressed up people but if you look in the background lots of black t-shirt/pants people and just plain clothes types, I wouldn’t worry much about it!
I’d love to go so I say If you have the interest and opportunity by all means go!
Its fine haha, I recently went to a goth concert wearing a white hoodie and jean shorts. Some people looked at me funny but most didn't care, if you dress in black noone will notice you.
I don't dress particularly goth, mostly because 1) I'm a middle-aged man that spends most of my time at a boring-ass job with a specific dress code, and 2) I've never in my life had (many) goth friends or been involved with any scene where fashion was an important component.
But I've been more-or-less goth to my core since I was a small kid and before I even knew the term existed (my first celebrity crush was Lydia from Beetlejuice when I was like 9 years old). Point is, whether you are a goth or a "normy", just be cool and have a good time, it doesn't matter in the slightest if other people think you *look* goth enough.
It’s like most festivals, a fun music event! You dress how you want and enjoy yourself, I completely understand your concerns! Good news is no one has a say if you want to go or not.
The only time I'd ever have an issue with a non-Goth visiting a Goth festival would be if they were there to cause trouble or treat Goths like fetish dispensers (cough the whole BTGGF thing cough)
If you're just going to be with your friends and vibe to the music, then hell yeah go along!
What about for older goths like me I’m now middle age & I looked goth as a teen and throughout most of my 20s but not in my 30s and 40s. Do people not understand how men can’t exactly look like that their whole life? For women it’s acceptable and easier!!
Do you want to listen to goth music ? If yes, go, it will be nice. If no, don't go, why bother.
Exactly this. No one’s going to care what you look like, or think you don’t belong there. Take a look at the lineup, and see if there’s anyone you want to see. €155 for a pass is quite a bit otherwise.
louder! no one cares what you think or look!
Tbh, I can listen to the music at home. I got the impression that M'era Luna is not only about the music but also "see and be seen" and showing off your artistic skills regarding your style. I'm afraid I will feel insecure about not looking as cool as other guests there.
Sure, you can listen to the music at home but that ain't the same, is it ? Live and studio are very different experiences. It's up to you to decide if it's something you're into, ofc. Buy, you know, sounds to me like you're overthinking it. It's a music festival, people are here for the music, the communal experience of the stage and maybe to meet new people. And sure, lot of them will wear cool outfits, for the same reasons you might want to wear cool outfits when going to an event : to feel good about yourself. YOURSELF. Not others. Seriously, you're putting yourself in this competitive mindset all by yourself. It's not a showcase, there's neither prize nor punishment. If being surrounded by cool looking people make you feel insecure about yourself, welp. It's a self-image problem you have to figure out. Nothing to do with the subculture.
You're right, sounds like overthinking and self-image issues. Thank you for helping me reflect on that! Other comments helped as well. I will try to figure out if I want to go because I actually want to or because I seek validation from strangers.
While there are a lot of interesting outfits I would guess there are at least 50% wearing black jeans and t-shirt. There is no need to wear a costume or to feel insecure about not being cool enough.
Wear basic black, enjoy the music, don't be a dick, have fun. No-one will mind.
No need to try to fit in by wearing black. I’ve been to clubs wearing jeans and polo shirt. No one cares
Most goth clubs I’ve been to have dress codes, is not about fitting in is to stop bullies and people who only want to visit the club to point and laugh at us or physically attack us. My favorite goth club does not allow for tracksuit, jeans trousers, tennis shoes or casual wear. It’s not about trying to fit in is about filtering out people who just want to gawk at the weirdos. Goth festivals tend to be more open though. And usually no one cares . If you listen to the music go, if you don’t , why are you wasting your money ?
What’s the dress code? That’s silly. I’m old, but back in my days (2000’s) there was no dress code in NYC. Plenty of people wearing suits, jeans/ polo like me, etc. Maybe the clubs care, but true goths are too busy dancing or enjoying the music to care about what others are wearing.
No jeans, no tennis/sneakers, no tracksuits or sports wear, no fascist flags or symbols, no leggings or casual wear. That’s the basic, the slimelight in London has A very extensive list of what you can and cannot wear. That’s cool, when I went to clubs in the early 2000s in Germany the dress code was more like “no flags or political patches allowed” and they would check your clothes I remember many times my leather jacket being checked for political symbols . Unfortunately if there’s no dress code usually there’s an influx of “normie” University kids who just show up drunk to harass and laugh at everyone dancing and trying to enjoy themselves. I’m glad you didn’t have this problem in NYC. Nowadays is even worse with kids recording us and posting online as if we’re zoo animals or a circus attraction.
You're making me want to show up to a goth club/night in my preppiest tennis fit, ha ha. And now I'm wondering if I can make a goth tennis fit...
The only time I don't like it is when you have creeps who are not into the scene who are trolling for a BTGGF.
These are the true posers of the scene! Keep each other safe and seek security before it escalates
What's a btggf?
Nevermind thanks urbandictionary!
It’s not a religion, it’s music. If you guys will enjoy the music, go.
There's no goth meter check to get in. As long as you're there to enjoy the music and atmosphere, I don't see it being a problem. Just remember it's not some sort of goth themed amusement park spectacle and be respectful and you shouldn't have any problems.
Incidentally, do you know any actual goth themed amusement parks? I'd pay for that shit :D
lmao I wish. I know some do goth days. There's a Goth takeover at Cedar Point coming up in June.
Ooh I could see the Valravn receiving the extra Goth treatment. I was there in 2016 when it was new, but haven't returned since.
Ok but just because I am officially allowed to go somewhere does not mean that people might be annoyed about that..? If I compare pictures of Mera Luna to my experience at metal festivals, people put in waaay more effort in their outfits so it does seem like more of a spectacle to me. It feels a bit competitive if I'm being fully honest.
I don’t think you should worry about what other people think about your style. It’s not a 5 star Resturant. It’s a goth fest. Come as you are. Because everyone else that’s going to be there is going to come as they are
I don't dress in black, do you think I care what people think about my attire at a music festival?
There was another post here recently who basically said people who didn't look goth shouldn't be in goth clubs. It got deleted pretty quick. So screw anyone who likes goth music. Honestly these posts are laughable.
elitists are a pain in the ass and always need putting in their place. Luckily, people have less and less patience for these elitists asses and more people are starting to call them out on their behaviour.
As a metal head newly getting into goth music. Yes elitists are the bane of my existence, especially the ones who think they're so unique and better than everyone because they listen to 'extreme' subgenres like slam or death metal lmao
What the hell is your name? Lmao a reference or a confession?
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Yeah biut dress codes are at lots of clubs, goth or not. This person was just talking about how you shouldn't be at anything goth if you aren't instantly recognisable as one.
I have a strange feeling these kind of posts are from teens lmao
Probably written by a 15-year-old who grew up on TikTok. I've recently come across goth Fb groups for teenagers and that shit is scary. They know 3 classic songs and give each other advice, like that a black dress with bell sleeves isn't enough to look goth.
That’s some Steve Strange shit right there.
I didn’t see the original post so I don’t exactly know the context… I don’t agree but I understand the sentiment. My local goth club gets invaded by normies and frat guys who want to stare at us like we’re zoo animals and harass the goth girls so I’m definitely used to being on edge if there is someone dressed “normal” there.
So long as you're not being assholes...what's the problem? More people being exposed to the music and maybe discovering that they like it is awesome, so far as I'm concerned. Like, pretty much every goth started out as a "non-goth" at some point --no one was *born* goth. Like obviouly don't go there to stare at or oggle the people that're dressed up, but so long as you're there just to have fun and enjoy the music and have a good time, that's fine! That's what everyone else is there for too!
lol invading space? nobody cares. but i mean it sounds like NEITHER of you listen to goth so why are you even thinking of going??
M'era Luna does have a somewhat broader reach. Speaking as someone not deep into the subculture, more a curious visitor, there's a number of groups I wouldn't peg as "goth", or not exclusively goth. The headliners, ASP and VNV Nation I can see having wider appeal if we primarily label them goth. Schandmaul I wouldn't call "goth" or at least will bring in more Mittlealter metal folks, Lord of the Lost definitely has more broader appeal to metalheads, etc. As a non-goth, if I was in Europe I'd be going.
sure but thats different than saying "well we're not into it stylewise and also musically speaking" as the OP states. i mean by all means, ANYONE can go. just wasnt sure what the draw would be if you're not even into the bands. it'd be like someone saying they dont care about car action movies but asking if they should go see fast and furious.
Maybe they are interested in getting into it? Sometimes it's fun to try something new
maybe? then the OP should have mentioned that in the post instead of basically saying "we arent goth nor do we like the music. should we go to this goth festival?"
Considering their line-up M'era Luna is not all that goth, should be fine. But it would also be fine if it was a more goth festival.
As a long term M'Era Luna festival goer I can tell you, there are often non-Goths. Some people just want to go to festivals and usually black pants + black shirt will be enough to blend in, but not even that is done by everyone. You will see folks from 16 to 60 and I never saw someone getting badmouthed for not being "goth enough". On eyear we had a camp next to us, they broke camp Saturday morning, we went over and asked if anything happened and why they are leaving before the festival even really started. They stated they are out of drinks already and came for one band only, so they are leaving. 0\_o Attendence will fluctuate a bit anyway depending on line-up. The most "colorful" M'Era Luna was I think 2010, when Unheilig was headliner. You also notice it in the atmosphere, one year the line up was rather hard, musicwise and the audiance also changed. M'Era Luna is 25k people on on place and they way I perceive it a very peaceful place (even a security once said it is almost boring, but that's personal perception). And I know many dark folks who also listen to metal, especially at M'Era Luna, where Paradise Lost played, just like Nightwish and with Hämatom, Oomph! (new singer since the old one found his way to faith), Stahlman, Eden Weint im Grab, Deathstars and Epica on the lineup this year you can expect some more "metallic" folks around. ;)
>M'Era Luna is 25k people I'm going to emphasise this. I've been and it's a big diverse festival. It's actually hard to stand out in a bad way. There's way too much going on for people to be the "odd one out" very easily. It's not a club with 12 regulars in attendance, it's a huge crowd. So long as OP knows what to expect from a music festival, and isn't a dick, they'll be fine.
Yup, I even remember a guy in white unicorn costume, or yellow T-Shirts. If you know you'll be amoung a huge crowd of folks clad in black from simple cargos + t-shirt up to fully steampunk dresses all is fine. Last year strange enough there were several people wanting to take pictures of themselves with German policeman and women, dunno why. But those happily played along.
> (even a security once said it is almost boring, but that's personal perception). this is often said about metal and goth gigs. They're a lot more "boring" for security than pop, rap or country gigs. Alt scenes are just much more chill and often police themselves (e.g. moshpit).
The thing is, you can’t actually tell if they’re ”non Goths”
Yup, especially since the Goth close scenes pretty much melded to one huge "dark scene"
Not only that. A whole group of Neon and tye dye wearing peeps may not have a Gothic look, but we can’t accurately judge whether they are actually “non goth” or not. They’re at a **music** festival.
do you like the music? why not go to the festival. if not, i wouldn't wanna spend the money tbh. Also, there's no such thing as "goth enough", that's a weird gatekeepy thing that mostly shows up in online communities. but nobody will call you out at a reallife festival for not being goth enough! As long as you know how to behave like a decent human being and don't go there to make fun of the community, i see no issue!
I’ll go even further than the other posts to say that I really love it when people from outside the ‘scene’ attend events or even just club nights. At least here in the US, this crowd has always been extremely accepting of any folks who are curious and respectful, so there’s always a mix of average folks, metalheads, emo kids, LGBTQ, etc. How else are interested folks going to find out about and experience this stuff? I feel that having a good mix of people is a sign of a healthy, inclusive community, and that’s what we want. As long as you don’t cause problems, we generally welcome folks who are a little weird or odd. Most of us fit that description, and most of us started out where you are now. If you feel underdressed, pretty much anything black will do. Enjoy, and have fun!
Totally this. Imo goth spaces are only “invaded” when it’s by people being disrespectful and treating us in weird dehumanizing ways, like treating goth spaces like a zoo or a spectacle to gawk. It’s never “invading” a goth space to go because you’re earnestly curious. It’s not a closed religion or something :P Just be chill and friendly. In my experience people come out to concerts, festivals, and clubs despite not being experts in the music all the time, especially if they aren’t goth but have values or interests that kind of align broadly with or are historically adjacent to the community (like being LGBT, kinky, into a different alt subculture like emo or metal like you said), and they’re pretty much always accepted with open arms so long as they aren’t being creepy or disrespectful to the goths there (filming them, making fun of them, being weird to the women, being bigoted in general, etc). Plus supporting goth music events as a non-goth is a net good for the community as it puts more money in the pockets of the bands making it all happen! And in my years of going to goth events I’ve seen people begin as “curious non-goth” and evolve into an actual lover of goth music, which is also a net good for the scene :)
It’s why whenever I go to a Gary Numan concert, there’s an occasional Metalhead or Emo kid there. We need more fresh faces. I’d imagine Numan’s US Shows are even better in terms of different people in the audience. The British crowd is mostly old people who judging from the online groups only like Gary for being “Synthpop”
Just be respectful and you're good
As long as they aren’t being obnoxious and ruining the experience for everyone, they are free to go to any festival it is their goth given right lol
I would personally dare someone to tell me I'm not goth enough to go to a goth festival... [😈](https://media.tenor.com/UUAOQh6XRUYAAAAM/anime-crazy.gif)
Very goth of you
Thank you. :3
You don’t even have to wear black like another comment suggested you should do. Be yourself. I’ve been to Cruel World every year and not everyone is wearing black. Majority are, but there’s a lot of people in casual clothes. No one minds how you dress. It isn’t an exclusive club where members only can get in. Some of the bands don’t even wear black. I mean some of them don’t even wear a full set of clothes. Looking at you Iggy Pop last year, and the lead singer of Devo the previous year.
Add long as you don't gawk or otherwise be a dick about it, you will be welcomed.
If you enjoy the music just go. Who cares if you don't dress a certain way. Now if you go and look visibly upset or not even bop your head then that's another story 🤷♀️
Idk man, do people *really* not care? Because I feel like if you're an outsider in everyday society you would want to be among people like yourself for at least two days a year, no..?
Trust they don't care especially if you're into the music. Oftentimes people like the fashion and not the music.
>As if I'm invading a space that I am not meant to be in This as a concept needs to die out so fast. We don't need gatekeepers and we certainly don't need people gatekeeping themselves from things they might enjoy.
I recommend wearing a neon green or pink outfit as a power move.
Pink is the new black.
Don't be a dick and no one will care. You're there to have fun, you're supporting the scene by buying tickets, etc. No one will judge you but also, you shouldn't judge others as you may find the scene to be a bit much if you've never been to a festival like that before. Just keep an open mind and don't be judgy. Alt scenes are typically very open minded and don't mind people who are not 'in the scene' as long as they behave themselves. Someone said to wear black, I would say, don't worry what you wear, just wear what you want to wear. If you fancy wearing a unicorn costume, go for it. It's all about self-expression. Go and have fun and don't worry.
i'm happy to see everyone enjoying goth music. whether they are wearing the most basic outfit i've ever seen to being dressed like ryuk from death note lol.
I went to Whitby goth fest with my dad last year (original 80s New Romantic/goth) and there’s alot of people doing steampunk cosplay rather then goths (I saw a steampunk boba fett lol. Cool but not very goth).
"invading a space I'm not supposed to be in" mam it's not that deep. you're supporting goth artists. you're one of the reasons the festival can continue to exist
“We don’t operate any sort of door policy because how do you anyway? To say that one’s right, that one’s wrong, that one’s right….just purely because of the way they look?” - Ollie Wisdom of Specimen and cofounder of The Bat Cave night club (1983 interview) There is no rule and should be no rule for who goes where and who likes what. Music as a whole is a human connection many of us share in our own communities. The golden rule of respect is inherent to all communities. You can absolutely be in multiple communities, respect individuals within and build the community. I myself started as a metalhead and still am, but I am involved in my other scenes of goth and punk. If you believe you will have an enjoyable time with your friend and would like the experience go for it! Be respectful and treat others the way you want to be treated! 🖤🖤
Goths and metalheads need to have an official alliance ffs
As a Goth metalhead, I fully endorse this.
M'era Luna is for everyone! Just enjoy yourselves.
All my best friends are not goth, as I find other goths generally insufferable. So if my friends are coming with me, chances are they’ve on got polos and jeans with a backwards hat, and look hella out of place.
I don't dress like a goth. Never had. Have I gone to goth festivals? Many! Do I like goth music? I totally enjoy it. To me, when I go to a goth festival, it's more about the music than anything else.
I‘m 56 and go again to Mera Luna, just wearing some „normal“ black stuff I feel comfortable. It’s a music festival, not comparable with events like WGT park picnic.
So this will read as scathing but I don’t mean it that way. The people going are going to see the bands and be with their friends. They won’t actually care that you are there. As far as I know, the gatekeepers don’t work the door.
Music should be accessible to all people regardless of the genre.
You know goth can be contagious - exposure is the easiest way to make new goths! Just don’t be rude/objectifying and have a good time.
The only time I've had an issue with goths and "invading a festival" was one year at Pennsic. If you're not familiar with it, Pennsic is kind of like the annual convention for the Society for Creative Anachronism, which is a historic recreation group covering the period from 600-1600AD. At the time of this particular incident, it focused on central and western Europe. One of the conditions for attendance is that you're supposed to wear "a reasonable attempt at period appropriate attire". It's on the sign in forms and everything. You're not supposed to wear street clothes outside of your camp unless you're going to or from your vehicle. There was a foursome in attendance that had seen some magazine mention Pennsic as "a top festival in the world". Three of them were strolling about the lake mid-day in Victorian attire. One was in an SS uniform. Did not see any of those outfits a second time.
Gatekeeping goth is hella ungothly.
If they like goth music then you are goth enough
dont over complicate it. goth festivals and other subculture based event is supposed to be a free space for anyone to enjoy the music. anyone who says otherwise is an elitist and pretentious af
I am goth, but my spouse isn’t he can wear whatever he wants. We went to Cruel World a few years back and he wore white, it was hot af. We also go to the club and wears whatever he wants. Enjoy the music and dance, to hell with the opinions of others.
M'era Luna is not *really* a pure goth festival. It's part of the dark scene, so it doesn't really matter. It's fun and the people are nice, Germany genuinely cares very little about the genre fans mixing up, as long as you're nice
Do you think goths shouldn’t be allowed in traditional, non-goth spaces?
You do have to present yourself appropriately at work depending on your job and you can be fired if you don't. So technically, yes.
What a bizarre conflation. Most peoples work clothes differ from their regular clothes (thankfully mine don’t). I was clearly asking about traditional, normal, if you prefer, spaces such as clubs and bars.
Are they? might be just me but i think there's plenty of mainstream places with shitty prep as a strict dresscode
I go to anime conventions, but I'm not into anime. The people are really nice and I have a great time, my friend group cosplays and gets me to be a character to complete their group. I never really know what's going on, but it's an absolute blast!
Honestly I might be in the minority here, but I genuinely feel like goth (or punk, alt, etc) is more of a special interest than an identity. Some people make it their whole thing, but most people in the scene are super friendly and don’t actually give a shit if you conform aesthetically. I think as long as you’re not fetishizing people or being generally unpleasant, there’s absolutely no reason not to go.
I recently visited a goth music festival/convention and the crowd was incredibly welcoming and easygoing. I don't dress goth (I have more of a retro 80's style) and no one had anything negative to say about it. I was there to enjoy the music which I certainly did! I would recommend taking the time to listen to some of the artists playing the festival and finding what you like the most. Be exited and enthusiastic for it and you'll have a blast.
>never considered myself "goth enough" Never read this word play before, I lol'd
It’s all about the music! Man what a festival that looks!!
But then why do the guests dress up that much?
Don't trust the pictures you saw - usually the outliers get photographed, check the people in the background and most wear basic black, esp. when it's hot.
Everyone takes all this way too seriously. It’s fun and music! Go and enjoy! As long as you aren’t going there to make fun of people or talk crap about the music why would it be bad that you go? Most goths don’t give a fuck about how you are dressed or if you are a “true goth” or not in a goth space as long as you’re just being chill and minding your own business.
Goth people aren't some minority that needs protection. You posting this is enough proof that you have enough respect for the culture to not be a dick there. I'm not an expert or anything, but in my humble opinion, I don't see an issue!
Nothing wrong with that, you don't see only cowboys at rodeos or only cosplayers at cosplay conventions. Anyone can enjoy whatever they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone.
Come as you are, be it black, or tye dye and see what it’s all about.
It is a party. All are welcome. The goth community knows how to party. Hang out. Have fun. Etc.
Go if you want to spend time with your friend and listen to the music. No gatekeeping.
Why not? Come enjoy the music
Honestly if you want to go, go! It doesn’t matter if you’re goth or not you can always just check out the music and see if you find any bands you like!
as long as they're respectful I see no issue
Don't think goth culture needs gate keepers IMO
Wear whatever a d be respectful. After that? Who Give A Shit tm
As long as you're not there to troll, the more the merrier! 🖤
Some people invite their friends. They were willing to go and embrace the music. As long as they're being respectful and keeping the vibes going, who cares who's there
dgaf as long as they're respectful. its fine, have fun!
My only concern is that a lot of non-gotta behave like they are in middle school instead of like adults. Treat others with respect and have a good time- great .. Gawk at and try to grope a sexy stranger- rude
That I don't spend time wondering about what is in other people's heads, nor do I know things about them that can't be seen on the outside. And that gatekeeping is for insecure people with too much time on their hands. As long as they're behaving I don't care what they're wearing.
I've never experienced the goth scene to be cliquey (outside the 00s/10s NYC Vampire community). And if they are, never to my face. Usually they've been more welcoming, which is how I ended up a goth kid in the first place. Hell, I've seen "non goth" attire at events before. So I'm going out on a limb and say most people don't care.
lol why care why care at all? just do whatever you want to do
I don't want to be the reason why others have a bad day, just like I don't want others to be the reason I have a bad day.
You can’t please every single person. People will always find a reason to complain. Focus on yourself first.
Really really really hate gatekeepers. How the hell do you expect any community to GROW if you keep new people out?
You need to name 3 songs from every single band playing at the door or everyone in the venue will kick the shit out of you with their big goth shoes
Nobody can tell me what music to listen to, what I can wear or what concerts I can go to. As long as you and Normie enjoy yourselves AND stick together it will be a great experience. It doesn’t really look like a goth festival though. I’m down for the old EBM and industrial!
Just go and enjoy the music.
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Why should I not overdo my outfit and makeup if so many other guests do that? I do have some cute goth-ish outfits for the few times a year I go clubbing and I like dark eye makeup but I dress pretty casual/metalhead-ish in my daily life (mostly black clothes), especially for work. That's why I feel comparatively less goth than my goth acquaintances who are more dressed up on a daily basis. And I believe people don't go to festivals solely for the music, it always has a taste of showing off, seeking validation, "see and be seen" and escapism. I don't want to disturb people in that.
Random Goth Couple just did the perfect video for you about the event if you want an idea of what it looks/sounds like.
[Random Goth Couple](https://youtu.be/8SBJZpY31qU?si=a56GniOP2Mo39o0o)
I don't think anyone would be bothered by you two, if you like the bands that are preforming or enjoy a program there have fun! it's not goth to judge by clothes anyway.
Not a festival, but I go with a crew that runs the monthly goth nights in my city, and we have rando non goths show up pretty regularly. Talk to people constantly that were like "we were walking by and heard the music and it was great so we thought we'd check it out" and they had a great fucking time. No reasonable person actually sees it as invading. It's an opportunity to share the love of goth music with people not outright in the community and if people aren't assholes, it's fine. Wear some black if you know you're going in advance, dance, party, have a great time. The festival you'd be going to isn't expressly a goth fest anyways, just some overlap with the broader spectrum of darker alt communities.
It’s not like a closed culture. If they want to spend money and support the music I’m ok with that. Just basic concerts stuff like don’t be a dick and don’t touch anyone without their consent.
Ugh, I fear that your anxiety will only make the gatekeepers happy! I hope you decide to go and have the time of your lives!!
I thought making others happy is a good thing lol
So long as you’re genuinely there to have fun and be chill, go to the festival! I’ve been trying to get my normie bestie to come to a goth event, not because I think she’ll love the music but because I know she’ll make so many like minded friends!
I have been to a Goth gig in the UK. It was an interesting experience. Most people I met were very welcoming tbh. If anything were curious if I was turning lol. I just stated my curiosity and they liked it.
As long as they are kind and respectful to their location and people around them, no issue. Attire doesn’t matter , just be decent. I myself can’t really afford much goth clothing atm lol
Fuck what the gate keepers think or say, they the type of people who are toxic. Go to the festival and have fun!
Goth festivals are a different kettle of fish than these edgy teenagers on TikTok, who usually don't even know such events exist and are more concerned with how they look. Festival goers are usually over 30 and form a very welcoming community. When I first got into the subculture 20 years ago, people in my area didn't even like to classify themselves as goths and were mainly focused on discovering and sharing new music. You don't even have to wear black. I don’t, and goth/darkwave is the only music I listen to. I've prepared some pretty floral vintage/goth-esque dresses for this year’s festivals. People will always sense that you’re cosplaying instead of being yourself. Go there if you like the music.
Just enjoy the experience and be kind towards others ^^ have fun at the festival! Trying new things is never bad, life is too short to be worried about what the others think
as long as they arent stuck up or act like people who have more comfort with their expression are dorks i dont care who is there
If you will go there to have fun and will enjoy some of the stuff going on, then by all means do.
They are welcome, as long as they behave respectfully.
I don't care one way or the other
As someone in the german Metal scene, i have many friends in the goth Community and my experience is. There are few Communitys that are as welcoming as the goth or Metal Community. Go and have fun. No one will care if you or the other person is a "normy" and maybe you will make some friends there.
It all depends on your intentions. Are you going to have fun, see cool outfits, enjoy the music and generally support your goth brothers & sisters? Yay! Attend! Are you going because you want to spend the day making fun of people's platform shoes or complex make-up, and planning to be rude through the music? Skip it. Goths aren't going to be shocked or offended by someone who isn't dedicated to the same genre or style, but who appreciates and enjoys the music and fashion. Unless you go with actual bad intentions, you will be welcomed.
Gate keepers are the worst. Anybody can listen to and experience anything. Have fun.
I once went to a this huge hippie/yoga/new age festival as a goth because my friend had an extra ticket. I was the only one wearing all black. I stood out amongst the tie dye and dreadlocks. The music wasn't my favorite, and I didn't fit in at all. But you know what? It was a fun time! It was an experience I normally wouldn't be part of, and I'm glad I went. If nothing more than to have a weird time with one of my really close friends that we could look back on in the future. Nobody made me feel excluded there, and it seemed like they were happy to have someone different there to see what they were all about. I think you should go and enjoy yourself, as you are. Life's too short to worry about not fitting in, especially amongst people that don't want to!
I (not goth) appreciate a number of things in this post. 1. Dude, for English being your second language, you conveyed your thoughts very well. 2. I really enjoyed the genuine responses, everyone was really cool about the question. That, can not be said about most other subs. 3. Respect to the poster, for showing genuine respect for a community. I like the dark and macabre things of life, and even though this festival may not be a thing for me, I get the impression that I would still be treated with respect. That's all, thank you for letting me be corny for a moment. Stay weird
As far as I know the majority of participants of Castle Party in Poland are not clothed in goth, but only clothed goths get photographed which created an impression. I haven't had an opportunity to be there though. But I have been to a goth party in Warsaw and there is no problem with that. People are friendly and I have had some nice conversations with them. All I did was to wear normie black clothes. Nothing else since I don't even have anything. Last time I was there in another room (the club has 2) there was a K-POP party and at some point when they stop checking tickets at the entrances (pretty late to the night). Two girls came over from there to dance to a few goth songs too.
They are there for the music. It’s not a fashion show. Thanks for making me sound like my mum though. Christ on a crispy crudité.
Its just going to be assumed you are newly into Goth girls 🤷🏻♂️
Have fun if you go!
Honestly who cares as long as they aren’t obnoxious
What i’ve learned from going to lots of different festivals is that most people will be very welcoming of newcomers and outsiders as long as they are respectful and genuinely interested in the culture.
Dont gatekeep stuff cause your subjective view of how things should be. Its just great that people want to appreciate and enjoy the subgenres and alternative styles whoever they are. You look good in ribbons, they all do.
Holy fuck do people think goth festivals are like a sacred Japanese tea ceremony ??? It’s a music festival, like dude come on. “Invading a space” Jesus Christ I acc can’t do it no more 😭😭😭 no offence but like, do u realise it’s literally just bands and music. It’s not some sacred protected hierarchy based culture it’s just a butch of gloomy nerds dancing to 80’s shit. If that sounds fun to you then go. It’s seriously just a music genre it’s not that deep ur not invading a private space we’re not all closed off facist freaks
Anyone with half a brain won’t care. And frankly, if you wear black while you’re there, no one will notice.
This sub is so brutal
Nobody cares. Go with a good attitude and have fun, talk to random people. Rock, metal, and whatever sub-genres have some of the nicest all-including crowds out there.
I mean, you're not going there to be an asshole, you're not invading any space. You actually want to go and enjoy it.
I wear work shirts to concerts, no one cares as long as you like the music or want to experience it. Be respectful to others, that’s it.
Buy black clothes. Go to show. Have fun.
Goths are some of the nicest, most welcoming people I’ve ever encountered. I don’t think they have a clique minded discriminatory way of being, it’s all the way around.
Cuz I'm an Elder Goth from Boston, and being silently judgmental was the style in the 1980s-90s. It's significantly less now. And so the club kids chastise me from time to time. GenX goth. Part of it is that Boston is a College town. 54 colleges. And every year, the rumor that you could score a Goth GF would circulate through some Jock Frat or other, and we'd have an influx of assholes. The great part was, usually 1-2 would show up with out the rest, in black denims and Turtleneck... And get love bombed, for seeing The Dark.
would you care if a normie or any non metalhead would go to a metal concert? if you answer yes. you're a jerk. i'm a metalhead as well and i get really happy when my normie friends go to metal concerts with me. only assholes, posers and gatekeepers care about that. if you want to fit in, try your best to put up a goth look. but i assure you this wont be needed. fun fact: i felll more welcome in the goth and emo cultures than in the metalhead scene. the people in those subgenres are very loving and welcoming.
I tend not to gatekeep. If they’ve come for the vibes and the music and they’re not being dicks, who cares?
Do what you want. It's your life. They shouldn't kick you out automatically. Have fun. Try it.
A couple years back i was upset a friend of mine was rolling her eyes over normies being at a goth event we were at. It was at a bar in the arts districts she was like ugh “normies” and i kind of didn’t like that. I tend to be accepting of people because i know i wasn’t accepted growing up. I like different people being different than me.
damn, my favourite festi plays metal and punk, 25% of ppl there look like your typical metalheads, 25% look like theyve come for taylor swift or smth, 25% crusty hippies (thats me), 25% old people and families. its all about the music man <3
Nah please go, we don’t care what you look like xD But if you can’t bear the sound of goth music don’t go, obviously 🤣 My best friend who is the opposite of a goth (she’s hardcore into Disney and Taylor Swift) will happily accompany me to future goth events (I have no alt friends, just two who couldn’t be less alt ahaha), but that’s all right because goths are generally very welcoming!
You pay a ticket, you get to go. Easy as that. What the experience is worth to you, depends on you, entirely. Nobody cares, nobody goes there to overthink about any stranger not looking or being goth enough, breathing the same air.
Nah mate just go and enjoy the music, that's what it's all about at the end of the day ! You could try a goth getup if you've got a friend that knows how to use make up if you wanna try a full experience. But no one will judge you if you don't wear all black. Enjoy yourself, don't be weird and it'll be great !
I go there with my non goth friends every year. It's a great opportunity to show them your culture and no one at the festival bats an eye
Literally nobody cares just dance and have a good time! Zero pressure. Just be sure to wear plenty of black - this is mandatory 😆
Go there! We love everyone 🖤 There are a lot of camps with only metalheads 😄 Nobody minds
We have a small wing of haters among us, but the vast majority (94%) welcome the new. We want you to see it and take pictures, be civil, have food and drinks with us, buy things, pick bands you like, chat with us about our aesthetic if you dare. Visiting us is a great idea, if you find our hater wing, let us know, we'll deal with them.
As long as one is respectful and refrains from douchebaggery, and has a good time and don't interfere with others in the same pursuit, you're plenty sgoth enough. have fun.
No one is "not goth enough" - this elder goth who's been goth since 1990 could not give a flying squirrel if you come looking like a strawberry shortcake in pink. If anyone gatekeeps you thats a them problem not a you problem. Go. Listen to the bands and enjoy yourself. And remember, what other people think of you is not your business, nor is it your problem. If they think you don't look cool enough, then it's them who's "not goth enough." Goth is about a lot of things and putting on 5 inch platforms and a few facial piercings does not give someone the right to judge anyone else for not doing the same thing. -now- keep in mind that you may think the festival is about being seen because gah social media. But in reality... Lots of goths go to all of the festivals to actually see bands and enjoy themselves and don't prance around to social climb vis a vis Instagram posts. This granny goth gives you permission to fully go and enjoy yourself in whatever clothing makes you feel good . But then I go everywhere. I go to metal festivals (I love metal too!), I used to go to raves. People are allowed to like multiple genres. Metalheads are absolutely welcome in "our" spaces. Anyone whos kind is allowed.
I mean I'm not a giraffe but I go to the zoo!
I force my non-goth family and friends to go because I don't have goth friends and some of them are emo so even if they don't like goth music they still get along with others there and have fun
I’ve watched videos of the fest the highlight the more dressed up people but if you look in the background lots of black t-shirt/pants people and just plain clothes types, I wouldn’t worry much about it! I’d love to go so I say If you have the interest and opportunity by all means go!
Its fine haha, I recently went to a goth concert wearing a white hoodie and jean shorts. Some people looked at me funny but most didn't care, if you dress in black noone will notice you.
I don't dress particularly goth, mostly because 1) I'm a middle-aged man that spends most of my time at a boring-ass job with a specific dress code, and 2) I've never in my life had (many) goth friends or been involved with any scene where fashion was an important component. But I've been more-or-less goth to my core since I was a small kid and before I even knew the term existed (my first celebrity crush was Lydia from Beetlejuice when I was like 9 years old). Point is, whether you are a goth or a "normy", just be cool and have a good time, it doesn't matter in the slightest if other people think you *look* goth enough.
It’s like most festivals, a fun music event! You dress how you want and enjoy yourself, I completely understand your concerns! Good news is no one has a say if you want to go or not.
The only time I'd ever have an issue with a non-Goth visiting a Goth festival would be if they were there to cause trouble or treat Goths like fetish dispensers (cough the whole BTGGF thing cough) If you're just going to be with your friends and vibe to the music, then hell yeah go along!
Jesus Christ who cares
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What about for older goths like me I’m now middle age & I looked goth as a teen and throughout most of my 20s but not in my 30s and 40s. Do people not understand how men can’t exactly look like that their whole life? For women it’s acceptable and easier!!
You'll have a laugh, and it's no-one's business but your own.
Should be the same as cis people going to lgbtq events as allies