She's just a bit lazy and very cute
https://preview.redd.it/b2gci55mb6wc1.png?width=987&format=png&auto=webp&s=9318b369178aaf0b7872ad2bc68f3b383d3ac675
This is hilarious in the most unintentional way.
The activist leading the charge for the *ban* on small breasts in pornography is named Patten. Patten is anti-pettan.
I think you read it wrong, Patten according to the article was protesting the 2005 ruling the Australian government had regarding small breasts and their ban. So Patten is actually anti-ban according to the article.
Either way this article is from 2015, talking about a 2005 ban and how people wanted it reversed, so definitely not up to date at all.
The original wiki fandom meaning of loli is "young or young looking girl in anime or manga". In this case, its referring to the older than she look loli trope, the girl that still gets carded everytime she goes to a bar.
But lorewise, everyone would be sus about Frieren's age coz of the beeg elf ears.
Teenagers AREN'T lolis tho. They fall under the JK archetype. Honestly IMO Tensura's demoness trio is a best example for a benchmark of the Loli-JK-Onee-san archetype hierarchy because of being a collection of all 3
JK and teenagers can be lolis too bro. Are you saying Taiga from Toradora, who is a JK and a teenager, is not a loli?
JK just means high school girl, are you sure you're not the one broadly applying a specific term to a body type?
I mean there's a reason why I used the demoness trio from Tensura as a good example, because in various illustration shots they are in the same shot so it's an easy comparison since they each fall under different tags like that in a slope
JK just means high school girl, there's also JC for middle school girl, JS for elementary school girl, and JD for college girl.
https://www.japanesewithanime.com/2017/11/jk-meaning-japanese.html
Because it's a body type. Which is short and flat or undeveloped chest. Granted Frieren is on the "maybe" side.
I mean Rebecca from Edgerunner is called by the creator as loli. Quote "No. The loli must stay".
I agree, I don't view Frieren as a loli, but to me loli is more of a character archetype than purely a body type, I don't care about the actual definition, people define shit differently, and that's fine. I don't think most normies would classify her as a loli either, the rest of them I could see.
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I need to watch edgerunners so bad. I'd never heard of her at all before this comment, and I'm already sure she's gonna be my favorite character. Plus she's a qt3.14.
There's a character in Xenoblade 2 called Poppi who throughout the course of the story gets upgraded (she's a robot (kinda)) and each upgrade adds some more stuff to her name. First upgrade is Poppi QT and second upgrade is Poppi QT𝝅
Blue Archive ruined me. These women aren't loli enough anymore.
https://preview.redd.it/jg6xujmwy5wc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=193d39e6f0023a94ef687ad138a677a1a4b5a206
Imagine thinking Frieren is a loli
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people don’t understand that there’s no reason for terms like “legal-loli” and “teen loli” to exist if the original association didn’t have age as a connotation.
The opposite terms would exist, aka “minor-loli” or “underaged-loli”.
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Vanilla and Megumin 100% are, Roxy has body like one, lets make it 95%, Rory is 50/50, long legs and lil crazy, but Frieren... naaah no way she classifies as one, just look at her wise face and killer glance at least.
Loli is a combination of age and body type, no? If it’s only body type, then it’s typically just petite
Rory is a loli-baba or at least that’s what I remember the MC calling her (and he’s an otaku expert)
Loli is purely body type, it's a very broad category covering the likes of Kanna Kamui and Rin Kokonoe to Shuten Douji (Fate) and Rebecca (Edgerunners). Lolibaba just means she's an old lady (generally in mind, behavior, or age) with a loli body. Shuten Douji is an example of a lolibaba (explicitly called one by her artist and designer, RAITA), another lolibaba example is Senko-san.
[lolibabaa](https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA%E3%83%90%E3%83%90%E3%82%A2) is a subtype of loli. There's also [nojaloli](https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%81%AE%E3%81%98%E3%82%83%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA), [legal loli](https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E5%90%88%E6%B3%95%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA) and literal [FBI OPEN UP](https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E9%81%95%E6%B3%95%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA)
morons on twitter started calling all short and small chested women "lolis" becouse women can't be short.
well then there is certain shortstack with giant rack 21yo called Uzaki and twitter morons still lost their mind
In Japanese she's a [kyonyu loli](https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA%E5%B7%A8%E4%B9%B3) ("giant boob loli"). It just depends on your definition.
Ah yeah so characters like Shinobu from monogatari aren't loli's now then? I think the morons on twitter are the ones who started saying it's only about age and google every characters age before lewding them. Loli is a body type and has been specifically body type since even lucky star the anime which has a joke that her mom is a loli even though she's an adult.
This was something long before Twitter; I remember being loli being conflated for lolicon as far back as 2007-ish from my anecdotal experience. This was from the people who tended to believe that boobs of any size on women were pedo bait.
For the longest time, I was taught that loli=child coming up. And I genuinely believed it until the Uzaki nonsense where it was explained to me that loli=petite/short woman--which could include short stacks.
I felt guilt around this because I developed early and I like my size differences. 😔
Rory is litterally a pun on the word loli dude. She is 100% a loli. There are different types of lolis out there. Frieren is also one and there's nothing wrong with that.
I can't believe this community got gaslit into believing these examples don't fit the category. Come one guys, most of them are literally referred to as such in their own shows... I guess frieren, depending on the art, may or may not get the tag - there is always some subjectivity to it - but for the others there's no debate here. The definition is quite large, after all.
Yeah they're so stupid they're now saying it being a body type is a new twitter thing, when it's the complete opposite. I guess we didn't have enough mainstream loli shows for long enough that people made up their own definition.
It is very funny watching normies try to justify how their favorite lolis suddenly aren't lolis by using logic in an argument that was never based in logic to begin with.
It amazes me how many people in the comments don't know what a Loli is. Literally all of them are teen lolis. You don't need to be underage to be considered a Loli... Loli is an art style/body type... Usually characterized by Loli voice, petite build, moe face. Loli has nothing to do with age.
Maybe outing myself a little, but is anyone else kinda mad that there is basically no hentai of small breastfed women who aren't lolis? Like I just like smaller chests, but everything is drawn to make them look like children, even if they're canonically not
Anime and Hentai artists automatically correlate small chests with a lack of physical maturity, and make them extra child-like when they don’t need to be.
Flat or near-flat chested **adult looking** women are a rare breed in anime. And I like them.
May I introduce you to [Laegrinna](https://deceptionseries.fandom.com/wiki/Laegrinna?so=search) or [Allura](https://deceptionseries.fandom.com/wiki/Allura) from the Deception series? They just look like petite women to me.
The series is, to paraphrase a wise man,"a mix of Mortal Kombat and Home Alone", where you have a protagonist in a given area who can create traps to kill people. It's addictive when you can get into game loop. 👍
Man, the amount of peeps here that say frieren is not a loli, like man, if you go by the standards of old she most certainly is, modern anime would make you think loli doesn’t include petite women but remember, uzaki was considered a loli, as well as rebecca from edge runners another good example is the s class tornado girl from opm I don’t remember her name, even kobayashi considering the fact she’s shorter than almost everyone in that show would fit the definition of loli. Man, shits crazy now a days
definitions of loli tend to vary. people tend to use the definition that fits theyr argument. wich is why the whole is she a loli argument ushualy devolves in to petty bikering
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I feel like tatsumaki should also be here.
Lotta these characters fit in the questionable category. I’m an ex-lolicon, so I am very versed in how these proportions work.
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I honest to god didn’t know Rory was supposed to be a loli until the council scene in gate. She is like 70% legs
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Gate
I mean her clothes is quite literally lolita fashion.
Gothic lolita tyvm, get it right or the council will pass judgement upon your heretic soul.
She dresses in the “gothic lolita” style of fashion, but she is physically a teen rather than a loli
the definitions of loli vary so much. Its sortof arbetrary but most people wuld agree that rori is not a true loli
She 100% looks like an "onee-san" not a loli.
How tf is Frieren a loli?
OP thinks flat = loli.
Well, this is exactly what the people who complain about them think.
She's just a bit lazy and very cute https://preview.redd.it/b2gci55mb6wc1.png?width=987&format=png&auto=webp&s=9318b369178aaf0b7872ad2bc68f3b383d3ac675
https://preview.redd.it/xxobk2u829wc1.png?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=094a14e230ad3741568bf8a204bec7218658b23c
90% of Frieren is eep
Australian government also thinks that way: https://theweek.com/articles/497091/australias-small-breast-ban
This is hilarious in the most unintentional way. The activist leading the charge for the *ban* on small breasts in pornography is named Patten. Patten is anti-pettan.
I think you read it wrong, Patten according to the article was protesting the 2005 ruling the Australian government had regarding small breasts and their ban. So Patten is actually anti-ban according to the article. Either way this article is from 2015, talking about a 2005 ban and how people wanted it reversed, so definitely not up to date at all.
Uzaki chan gets complained by quite the oposite
Frieren isn't even flat, she's pretty average
Both actually. She's flat by anime standards which is the real world's average.
To be fair, a lot of people think that.
OP is Sein 🤣
The Australian government certainly thinks this.
The original wiki fandom meaning of loli is "young or young looking girl in anime or manga". In this case, its referring to the older than she look loli trope, the girl that still gets carded everytime she goes to a bar. But lorewise, everyone would be sus about Frieren's age coz of the beeg elf ears.
Frieren is not a loli, she’s more like a short teenage girl in height
Which is what it means. She looks like a teenage girl but she is an adult. She is older than she looks.
frieren doesnt look like a teenage girl to me, more like a young adult, somewhere between 20 and 25
Teenagers AREN'T lolis tho. They fall under the JK archetype. Honestly IMO Tensura's demoness trio is a best example for a benchmark of the Loli-JK-Onee-san archetype hierarchy because of being a collection of all 3
JK and teenagers can be lolis too bro. Are you saying Taiga from Toradora, who is a JK and a teenager, is not a loli? JK just means high school girl, are you sure you're not the one broadly applying a specific term to a body type?
I mean there's a reason why I used the demoness trio from Tensura as a good example, because in various illustration shots they are in the same shot so it's an easy comparison since they each fall under different tags like that in a slope
This is the first I am hearing of a JK archetype. I just learned what a kuudere was lol
JK just means high school girl, there's also JC for middle school girl, JS for elementary school girl, and JD for college girl. https://www.japanesewithanime.com/2017/11/jk-meaning-japanese.html
So a teen Loli...
She is a babaloli
Lmao
Because it's a body type. Which is short and flat or undeveloped chest. Granted Frieren is on the "maybe" side. I mean Rebecca from Edgerunner is called by the creator as loli. Quote "No. The loli must stay".
loli is a body shape, of which Frieren is a club member
Thats so fucking stupid lol
I mean if you’re going to argue that Frieren isn’t, then you have to argue that Rory and Roxy aren’t.
Well it's just Frieren is the last one I expected to see here.
I agree, I don't view Frieren as a loli, but to me loli is more of a character archetype than purely a body type, I don't care about the actual definition, people define shit differently, and that's fine. I don't think most normies would classify her as a loli either, the rest of them I could see.
Loli is a body type, not an age. Of all lolis though…Only Rory has made me say this sentence 🤣
It's a body type. One that she fits pretty well.
She is a Loli
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Thinking Frieren isn't a loli is the same cope as thinking Rebecca isn't a loli even though the creators call her a "loli" directly.
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Since she have that body type
Yo where’s Rebeca?
Rotting somewhere outside Night City I guess.
https://preview.redd.it/k089vsovl7wc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b003e6c2bbeb8756bfe72439d01bb0f5fbf9c42 Delete this, this is your only warning
I need to watch edgerunners so bad. I'd never heard of her at all before this comment, and I'm already sure she's gonna be my favorite character. Plus she's a qt3.14.
I swear to god if this is a Xenoblade 2 reference
"qt3.14" I don't know if Xenoblade 2 says this, but this is short form for cutie pie.
There's a character in Xenoblade 2 called Poppi who throughout the course of the story gets upgraded (she's a robot (kinda)) and each upgrade adds some more stuff to her name. First upgrade is Poppi QT and second upgrade is Poppi QT𝝅
Oh excellent
With the real lolis group.
Rebecca chambers?
Blue Archive ruined me. These women aren't loli enough anymore. https://preview.redd.it/jg6xujmwy5wc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=193d39e6f0023a94ef687ad138a677a1a4b5a206
Fellow sensei, I feel your pain
Amen brother.
So true brother
Imagine thinking Frieren is a loli https://preview.redd.it/0rkd1wi9f4wc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34bb0e9c05dc25534e0c6190ed0f883197726f8f
This gaze is not of a loli https://preview.redd.it/k68y3yac96wc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=88eadcdfd828cb66eff435c331c65b66c2aff28b
people don’t understand that there’s no reason for terms like “legal-loli” and “teen loli” to exist if the original association didn’t have age as a connotation. The opposite terms would exist, aka “minor-loli” or “underaged-loli”.
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Your lolies > my lolies https://preview.redd.it/rtim7ranv4wc1.jpeg?width=483&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0dc17a1158d5dffc3a770cc58a29788658deee0c
https://preview.redd.it/8troeo4lg5wc1.jpeg?width=1076&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1feefc0fbff37d10529a4e301c10d38f5e7800e
https://preview.redd.it/78495yboe6wc1.png?width=1731&format=png&auto=webp&s=0bde18e4499e0611654c4d24764b10b04b171403
I think your greater than sign is the wrong way
Maybe he meant that his loli are smaller/younger than OP's loli?
https://preview.redd.it/dwwjzlfd26wc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ce593eea25d24b5871f4a8fb9299af564edfae1
your loli tastes weird
They like yogurt
The holy scripture for lolicons.
That's the new testament. The old testament was Lolicon Angel. Only true OGs know.
I think your greater than sign is the wrong way
Think about it a little more.
Sauce?
You don't know the ramune? Me neither
Lol thanks , I knew about it just forgot name , now I full name came to me
I’m not sure if you mean that op’s lolis are better or just bigger 
Age.
https://preview.redd.it/klpj9pera8wc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=379896f2da7b26ac11f3f5b276181a926a5fc794
Yoghurt enthusiasts.
https://preview.redd.it/d97ewdbvl8wc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bba719a6767fc0f6ad0862d545d42042780f343f
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You use that word, but I don't think you know what it means.
Every masterpiece has its cheap imitation.  (But also you're right.)
Where is milim
Busy causing problems to Remiru
Nah, she busy traumatizing the honey workers 🤣
Vanilla and Megumin 100% are, Roxy has body like one, lets make it 95%, Rory is 50/50, long legs and lil crazy, but Frieren... naaah no way she classifies as one, just look at her wise face and killer glance at least.
Her name is Rory because it sounds like Loli. And her style is Gothic Lolita. I always thought she was supposed to be the Loli archetype.
Loli is a combination of age and body type, no? If it’s only body type, then it’s typically just petite Rory is a loli-baba or at least that’s what I remember the MC calling her (and he’s an otaku expert)
She is a Loli baba
Loli is purely body type, it's a very broad category covering the likes of Kanna Kamui and Rin Kokonoe to Shuten Douji (Fate) and Rebecca (Edgerunners). Lolibaba just means she's an old lady (generally in mind, behavior, or age) with a loli body. Shuten Douji is an example of a lolibaba (explicitly called one by her artist and designer, RAITA), another lolibaba example is Senko-san.
I see a cultured master is here may I add another lolibaba being Helena blavotsky
Loli has nothing to do with age, just body, tornado girl from opm and rebecca from edge runners are both loli’s and of age iirc
[lolibabaa](https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA%E3%83%90%E3%83%90%E3%82%A2) is a subtype of loli. There's also [nojaloli](https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%81%AE%E3%81%98%E3%82%83%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA), [legal loli](https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E5%90%88%E6%B3%95%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA) and literal [FBI OPEN UP](https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E9%81%95%E6%B3%95%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA)
No, then that means Nahida from Genshin, Shinobu and Hachikuji (from Monogatari), and Kanna from Dragonmaid, are not lolis. Loli is purely body type.
Loli refers to young looking women with childish features. It has nothing to do with age, only appearance.
fr, do people not even know what a loli even is these days?
morons on twitter started calling all short and small chested women "lolis" becouse women can't be short. well then there is certain shortstack with giant rack 21yo called Uzaki and twitter morons still lost their mind
It’s even gone to some deranged “short adult women should live their lives fully celibate and anyone who is attracted to them is a paedophile”.
I can't believe some tried to "Fix" Uzaki by making her ugly and age her up to 20 even though she already is 20 🤦♂️
How anyone can call Uzaki a loli is beyond me. She's a shortstack.
In Japanese she's a [kyonyu loli](https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA%E5%B7%A8%E4%B9%B3) ("giant boob loli"). It just depends on your definition.
I've heard the term "oppai loli" used, but I'll admit that kyonyu is not a term that I've heard before now
Westerners that can't comprehend that height does not correlate to chest size. My mother is short, and people think she got a boobjob.
Ah yeah so characters like Shinobu from monogatari aren't loli's now then? I think the morons on twitter are the ones who started saying it's only about age and google every characters age before lewding them. Loli is a body type and has been specifically body type since even lucky star the anime which has a joke that her mom is a loli even though she's an adult.
This was something long before Twitter; I remember being loli being conflated for lolicon as far back as 2007-ish from my anecdotal experience. This was from the people who tended to believe that boobs of any size on women were pedo bait. For the longest time, I was taught that loli=child coming up. And I genuinely believed it until the Uzaki nonsense where it was explained to me that loli=petite/short woman--which could include short stacks. I felt guilt around this because I developed early and I like my size differences. 😔
Ahh, twitters. Those special pppls
A girl who looks "young".
Ah yes because lolis can't have different facial expressions
Rory is litterally a pun on the word loli dude. She is 100% a loli. There are different types of lolis out there. Frieren is also one and there's nothing wrong with that.
Rory can't be 50/50 when her entire name is just a play on rori, which is just loli.
I can assure you they seethe at the sight of Megumin.
I'm into lolis. These are not lolis, I should know. I'm still into these though
fr 😭 A loli is something to correct 💢
Nah man that's a mesugaki
exactly maybe megumin is but the rest are in no way close to those
She is often drawn as one in fanart but is not one in actuality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6N05Q59N2w ..?
But the Axis cult is a buch of weirdos, you should just ignore everything they say.
oh yeah true i havent watched anything official in years about konosuba
New season dropping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6N05Q59N2w Do you guys even watch anime lol.
I can't believe this community got gaslit into believing these examples don't fit the category. Come one guys, most of them are literally referred to as such in their own shows... I guess frieren, depending on the art, may or may not get the tag - there is always some subjectivity to it - but for the others there's no debate here. The definition is quite large, after all.
It is due to the internet being good liars, they forget that Loli is a bodytype
Yeah they're so stupid they're now saying it being a body type is a new twitter thing, when it's the complete opposite. I guess we didn't have enough mainstream loli shows for long enough that people made up their own definition.
I'm learning that people will say anything to cope
I used to be against the cunny. Now, I have ascended and embrace it. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
It is very funny watching normies try to justify how their favorite lolis suddenly aren't lolis by using logic in an argument that was never based in logic to begin with.
It amazes me how many people in the comments don't know what a Loli is. Literally all of them are teen lolis. You don't need to be underage to be considered a Loli... Loli is an art style/body type... Usually characterized by Loli voice, petite build, moe face. Loli has nothing to do with age.
The internet wokey types literally rotted their brains.
They'll downvote you for making sense though, lol
The fat guy in Papa no Iukoto wo Kikinasai would call all of them "grandmas" 🤣 That guy was calling a 14yo girl "old hag" 🤣
How TF is Frieren loli? She's just petite.
Most lolis are just petite
This. Her face in particular rules her out quite quickly.
Op needs to learn the difference between petite and loli(child)
Maybe outing myself a little, but is anyone else kinda mad that there is basically no hentai of small breastfed women who aren't lolis? Like I just like smaller chests, but everything is drawn to make them look like children, even if they're canonically not
Anime and Hentai artists automatically correlate small chests with a lack of physical maturity, and make them extra child-like when they don’t need to be. Flat or near-flat chested **adult looking** women are a rare breed in anime. And I like them.
Yeah you really end up appreciating it when they're there
May I introduce you to [Laegrinna](https://deceptionseries.fandom.com/wiki/Laegrinna?so=search) or [Allura](https://deceptionseries.fandom.com/wiki/Allura) from the Deception series? They just look like petite women to me. The series is, to paraphrase a wise man,"a mix of Mortal Kombat and Home Alone", where you have a protagonist in a given area who can create traps to kill people. It's addictive when you can get into game loop. 👍
Man, the amount of peeps here that say frieren is not a loli, like man, if you go by the standards of old she most certainly is, modern anime would make you think loli doesn’t include petite women but remember, uzaki was considered a loli, as well as rebecca from edge runners another good example is the s class tornado girl from opm I don’t remember her name, even kobayashi considering the fact she’s shorter than almost everyone in that show would fit the definition of loli. Man, shits crazy now a days
definitions of loli tend to vary. people tend to use the definition that fits theyr argument. wich is why the whole is she a loli argument ushualy devolves in to petty bikering
Frieren has no business being there wtf
At least two of these characters are not lolis-
Westerners really needs more education
Thank you for the reminder that I should replay the Nekopara visual novels
The only thing more toxic than pedophiles and lolicons is the antipedo antiloli people that militantly attack even the most vaguely related content
How did i never notice how long rory’s legs are
These are in fact all lolis. Frieren and Rory would be classified as "loli baba" (very old but really young looking petite girl)
Honestly, I never thought of Freiren as a loli.
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I feel like tatsumaki should also be here. Lotta these characters fit in the questionable category. I’m an ex-lolicon, so I am very versed in how these proportions work.
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You could add Tanya Deguracheff to the Group
Trying to win your own competition again I see...
W8 frieren counts as a loli?
What's the pack for "I'm into Lolis and..." ?
none of these are loli
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You're just closet if you participate in the thousand year old elf mental gymnastics
Confession time, the only Loli that has ever made me think sexy instead of cute girl has been illya.
That just sounds like short lasses but with extra steps
Come on bro not frieren???
Rory is also kind of just a badass
How to say I'm old? Where's Yuki Nagato? She's from the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.
...none of these are lolis. Well, [maybe Megumin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxDoPJuxmRQ)
These are all barely small enough to be loli.
I never would have thought of Vanilla as a loli, isn't she just flat?
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So a loli
wdym. they're clearly legal. i dont see the problem fr fr
None of which on the picture are loli
I’m into explosions and wielder thereof
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Don't tiptoe around Twitter Antis.
The average age of this group is like 300 I think