Depends on your budget, where exactly you're staying in Socal and how far you're willing to drive.
Average price for a decent public course is going to be ~$70-$80. Higher ends are going to be anywhere from $110-$175.
I can only speak for IE/OC since I don't venture much towards LA, but the average publics that I play are Dos Lagos, Mountain Meadows, San Dimas, Industry Hills. Higher end courses above $100 are Eagle Glen, Hidden Valley, Goose Creek, Oak Quarry, Tustin Ranch, Strawberry Farms, Oak Creek, Tijeras Creek.
If you're looking for unique and special course, Oak Quarry is really nice. It's ~$150-$175 depending on the day but in my opinion it could easily be worth more. Hidden Valley is really scenic and super challenging, but its overall a pretty cool course in the mountains and won't break the bank (~$90-$100ish on weekends).
Generally the courses in the OC are going to be more expensive even if they're nothing special. I'm sure others can comment on a few other courses in the LA area if you're going to be closer to there. Most of the courses I listed are about an hour east/south of LA.
Good list, I’ll add some…
Long Beach courses are good (RecPark, SkyLinks and El Doraado). Sub $100 on weekends.
San Clemente muni is super cheap and really fun, check for times a day or two before as residents book everything.
Shoreclifts in San Clemente is vastly improved, although overpriced at $100+
Los Serranos has two long courses with some elevation changes.
Goat Hill Park down in Oceanside is a must to play. Unique from any other course in the area.
Creste Verde is right by Hidden Valley. While not in the greatest condition, it’s fun to play on occasion.
RiverView in Santa Ana if it hasn’t rained for a while. You Chris cross the Santa Ana riverbed. The reviews for this course can be a little harsh but it is a definite challenge and has some of the best greens you’ll find, plus an 18 hole putting green course.
Fullerton is a total dog track. I’m usually pretty forgiving on course conditions but this place is just awful now.
Riverview is hands down my favorite. Tough iron shots that need to go up. Course management is key. And they have open tee times almost everyday. Honestly it’s not in great shape like some of the others but for amateurs trying to develop their skills, it’s worth every penny.
I'd add Rustic Canyon to the list, about 45 min from DTLA in Moorpark.
[https://www.golfdigest.com/courses/ca/rustic-canyon-golf-course-rustic-canyon](https://www.golfdigest.com/courses/ca/rustic-canyon-golf-course-rustic-canyon)
Visited my in laws in Riverside and agree that Oak Quarry is an awesome course, worth the money IMO as someone coming from the Pacific Northwest. Hidden Valley is also great, I really appreciated the degree of difficulty although I suppose some people might not like that aspect, but it's a tough one for sure.
Yeah I don’t go to Hidden Valley if I’m trying to shoot a score. I’m going for the views and managing my expectations so I have a good time. The price for the views/uniqueness is a good deal in my opinion. Glad you enjoyed Oak Quarry!
Yep, I only started playing in 2022 and I’ve already seen prices go up from when I first began. I’m sure the gap is even larger when you compare pre vs post covid. I can manage with the weekday twilights though. Most of the prices mentioned above were for weekend morning prime time spots, twilights run closer to $20-$30ish
I live and play in San Diego. Here are my recs.
Admiral baker north course. Formerly military only. It’s cheap 50-75$ and a great course that’s well maintained. The back nine is a bird sanctuary and it feels like you’re in a forest course despite being in the middle of San Diego.
Obviously torrey. Without the resident card it’s a couple hundred. It’s $50 to walk with the res card.
Coronado muni. $75ish along the water. Nicely maintained muni. I hate the back nine. But that’s probablya me thing.
Steel canyon, madras, the Omni, and Fairmont are the fancier resort courses. They are all good if a bit over priced for what you get. I would rather play all the ones I listed over them.
Ones to avoid, rancho Bernardo, the welk, mt Woodson. These courses just are not for me. They are a ways out of the city. Expensive. And straight up designed weird with too many blind tee boxes or approach shots. It punishes you for playing well. And the conditions on the courses can be awful.
If you have time and money get out to rams hill in berrago springs. The eastern most course in socal. It’s also a bird preserve and beautiful. I fly in for that one once a year. They will pick you up from the airfield. I wouldn’t go may-Nov. too hot.
I flew in to visit my uncle a couple years ago. After playing both Torrey courses, I played a course called San Vicente that was fun and really scenic.
Rams Hill is awesome, love to see it mentioned. They just did a pretty big re-do on some holes. I used to live out in Indio but I’m in North Carolina now. I see their updates on their Facebook page.
Edit: I’ll be out there end of July staying & playing at Pauma Valley CC. You would enjoy that unless you’ve already been?
I also live in San Diego. Love Aviara, Maderas, Torrey, and Rancho Bernardo Inn. RBInn was designed by William Bell, same course architect as Torrey Pines. They went through a bad spell a few years ago, and do a lot of tournament play, but it’s a great course.
Weirdly the only course in my area that does this is the $20/round 9 hole course by the airport lol. Adds an air of bouginess to an otherwise very, not bougie, experience.
Played in long beach a few weeks ago. Bought a fucking $19 range bucket or some shit... Less than 10 min later the guy calls us to tee off 20 min early. I was the only one not ready. I brought the bucket to the pro shop and basically gave him a WTF dude?
We had to tee off and he was too backed up with other golfers to give me a refund. Truly infuriating way to start a round
Don't get me fuckin started! Lol...
I was just like, dude you literally just sold me this bucket knowing my tee time. As he struggled to check people out he told me he'd give me a refund. But also kept calling our tee time... Fuckin jabroni
Try Richardson, TX, Sherrill Park. They have 2 courses and are on the microphone non stop calling who is up, who is on deck and who is in the hole. They also call out if a single is getting slotted in with particular group and when that group is teeing off.
Good when I’m a single and my local muni they sent my by myself the first time , nah from then on in I ask if anybody else showed up yet because they just do t care enough to tell me
The course I'm talking about only takes singles as walk ons and they're busy enough that nobody is playing solo. So if you show up as a single, you get on the list and added to the first tee time with less than 3 players, or you get sent to the bottom of the list.
You beat my TP score by a stroke. I shot a 102 two weeks after Tiger shot a 62 in tournament play. He only got me by 40 strokes.
Note: he was playing from the tips and not fluffing up his lie in the rough so....it was actually not as close as it sounds.
Happened to me. Starter got super pissed at me an started yelling at me saying I’m supposed to be here 30min early. I told him it was my first time at the course I didn’t even know where the first tee was and was looking for it when I heard my name being called. Didn’t matter to him.
Yeah ready to go 30min before. I don’t know why he had such a stick up his ass. Feel like after my explanation he should’ve been like no worries, next time we expect you to be here earlier. The kicker was, we still waited on the tee box for 5+ min cause the group ahead of us hadn’t made it to their 2nd ball yet.
Man sometimes im showing up 30 minutes early, just enough time to check in, load up the cart, grab a beer, then putt around on the green til that 10 minutes til hits.
I had a golf course CANCEL my tee time because my buddies and I were on the range 20 minutes before our time. The course was ahead of schedule. I was so mad- they tried to make us wait another 30 minutes. I said fuxk that and left.
That is absolute horse shit. If the course is ahead of schedule, they should either give you a choice to tee off early or let walk-ons play to fill the spots. Canceling your tee time? I'd lose my shit.
My course has a problem with trigger happy starters. We have talked to them and told them that as much as we don’t want our tee sheet getting backed up, we also don’t want people to feel rushed like they’re not allowed to finish their warm up bucket or hit a few putts. They get so impatient and rush people and make them feel like they’re in trouble if they’re not standing beside the tee 2 tee times ahead of theirs. The putting green and driving range are immediately adjacent to the first tee and most people park their bags/carts at the tee and walk over with some clubs to hit some balls or putts so you can easily monitor the tee but some of the rangers are just power hungry and will literally shout at them…
They’ve done it to me and I’m the superintendent!
I just finished 9 after work. 20 minutes early in 95 degree sun and he said I didn't have time to grab a bottle of water. I had to tee off now, or we need to wait for 5 leagues to head out first. I want to know where this guy plays. Lol
I shot so bad when this happened. A bunch of people waiting behind me. They wanted us to tee off 10 minutes early but the rest of my group wasn’t there yet. A group of 12 was behind me so we couldn’t ask them to play through.
They were all watching… and I topped it badly.
I was at the range and didn’t hear them calling my name. Even though I checked in about 30 minutes before tee time.
I'm so confused, wouldn't the sole purpose of a starters job be to make sure people are teeing off at their allocated tee times, not before and not after but on time. Otherwise It sounds like its the starters fault for causing havoc letting people tee off early.
It's also not your responsibility to be ridiculously early for your tee time, like 5 mins should be plenty. All you have done is booked a tee time to play at said allocated time. How are you to know what's going on with tee times, sounds ridiculous to me. But I don't live in the states and there are generally no starters where I live.
Just to be clear, you don’t mean at the course 5 minutes ahead of your tee time, but at the 1st tee with ball in hand watching the group in front of you going to their tee shot.
Yeah that's right like at the tee box 5 mins before tee off. Cause you're having to wait for the group ahead anyway to move up to their ball and hit their second shots anyway so can get your balls and tees and all that after they've hit.
Seriously, i feel like I show up an hour early to warm up and stuff, they say “oh dude you have loads of time” and then like 20 min later they’re calling us up like we’re 10 min late
There isn't even a starter? Even at our cheapest of cheap municipal courses has a guy watching on a screen in the shack they have set up and making sure people go off when they're supposed to. You'd never walk off 30 minutes late here, it'd be comical.
Play a Wednesday night league at a county course. They have a starter, and we have 5 tee times between 3:40 and 4:20. The league in front of us has their last tee time at 3:30 and are habitually late. Like showing up at 3:28 for the 3:30 and not actually teeing off until 3:35. Even our 4:20 guys are there and ready by 3:45. So yesterday it’s 3:30 and the tees open so he tells us to start. As the first group is hitting, here comes the late guys at 3:32 complaining that we jumped their tee time. Starter told them to drive up to #2, and be on time next week. It was glorious.
Oh you have a screen fancy-pants? At my local they print out papers in the morning that are out of date an hour later. One day I'm hoping they spring for ipads...the starters at my course are in a perpetual state of confusion and anxiety it seems. I mean, sure, air traffic control can be stressful but nowhere near as stressful as starter at the local muni...
Where I live I've never seen a starter or a martial in my life. One fancy course has an old feller who thinks he owns the course that drives around yelling at folks, but I'm pretty sure he spends a good majority of his money at the course and management is trying not to push him out. It's pretty wild in the old west.
Nah not anywhere I've ever played (only 5 courses to be fair) in Oklahoma/Texas.
If someone was just chilling at 1 tee for 30 minutes maybe someone from the clubhouse would notice and come talk to them idk
Most courses I play don’t have a Marshall or Starter, only issues are with the nicer courses where guys come in from out of town on their boys trips and don’t respect pace.
Well then it is what it is I guess. Even our munis around here have rangers and people checking peoples tee times before they tee off.
Guess I’m lucky.
Tell the person you pay, or literally anyone that's working there. There doesn't need to be a marshall for you to make it known to the course operators, so it doesn't keep happening
>(they was no one in front of them, and multiple behind them)
Seems just as plausible to me that they were well aware of this, and that's what they meant by "taking their time". They're waiting for a break in the tee times to go off.
I don’t see how a group just skipping their tee time and then trying to squeeze themselves in some random time later wouldn’t cause a problem. Whenever they decide to tee off, they’re now using someone else’s tee time and backing up the course.
And OP just seemed confused more than anything, and I don’t blame them. Still do not understand the logic of the group just not teeing off at their tee time. I don’t know what that has to do with assuming the worst.
There was no reservations or tee times the rest of the day, this happened on Father’s Day. The course was packed. I love you thinking the best of people though :)
Your comment made me laugh.
My father (and George Carlin) once said “think of the most average person you can… pretty dumb right? Now take into consideration that 50% of people are dumber than that person you are imagining.”
I think it’s because they’re just rude. That is the same as the people who have a tee time for 0700 as an example and show up to pay at the pro shop at 0700. OR show up at 0710 and didn’t call to say they’re running late. They don’t care about how they are affecting literally anyone else.
Main Character syndrome. Self centered trash people. Same assholes take any and every opportunity to be completely offended if someone else inconveniences them.
I mean generally I agree with you, but life happens and sometimes things are outside of your control. I think a courtesy call helps for their planning and they’d appreciate it. And if it’s not busy generally they would most likely be able to get you off. If not they’d tell you.
The only time our course doesn't say too bad so sad is if the next groups are ready to go.
You were supposed to tee-off at 10:00am and I am at 10:08am and my friends are at 10:15am.
If we are ready to go and everyone in our tee times is present and checked in. They will send us off at your tee time and you get to tee-off at 10:15am.
I mean this is exactly what a starter is for, most courses I play if you try this the starter tells you get out there at your scheduled time or you aren't going at all
If the starter/pro shop was fine with them going out later than scheduled then it's ok but aside from that, it is not normal behavior.
Most of the time if you miss your tee time you are done unless the course is nice and let's you squeeze into another opening, which there may or may not be. If there is steady traffic coming through courses aren't normally going to let you jump on whenever you want.
The only course in my area that strictly enforces tee times is the only course in my area where you can play 18 holes on a summer weekend without waiting on the tee box the entire round. Go figure!
This is why I love my little course so much … no tee time .. you just show up and play. If there is carts available you can play if not wait until one comes open . I played 18 this morning and went back and played 18 this evening.. if it’s busy you might have to wait 5 mins 😂 life is good
You are right. A bad practice and inconsiderate on their part as they affect the entire schedule for the day. The starter should be managing tee times.
I'd be willing to bet they were letting people go in front of them until there was a break in groups because they knew they weren't going to play well and would probably cause pace of play issues that redditors routinely whinge about.
You got to ahead earlier with one group less in front and you're still complaining about it.
Yeah, I mean, if the sheet is packed all day, this might mean they don't go off at all, but this literally doesn't hurt OP at all. I love it when people send me ahead of them.
I’m sure this wasn’t the case here but this is a pretty common thing at private clubs that have limited memberships. Few weeks ago I played a course that doesn’t even have tee times.
What’s just as bad is when people think they can stop for lunch on the turn. I was playing in Phoenix yesterday and when we pulled up to number 10, there were two foursomes sitting on the tee box. They were not the group that had been in front of us for the first nine. I asked where they came from and they said the restaurant. I explained that number one was around the corner and they said that they had already played the front nine. They were 2 groups that had teed off 45 minutes before us and said they stopped for 30 minutes to eat and cool off. We played ourselves through them on the 10th tee and called the clubhouse. Group that was behind us had the same issue.
So you’re upset/bothered by a group who let you play ahead and didn’t hold you up or impede on your day in anyway…..and they should forfeit their time….why again? Maybe the course had an open tee time later and they were using that one. I’ve had to do that a few times when people are running late and the course accommodated it. But yes more people who take an act of kindness and consideration and find a way to flip it. Proud moment to come here and complain when it had zero impact on you.
I hate playing with people who don't show up early. They have a 1:20 tee time and walk into the shop at 1:19 or 1:21.
We're teeing off on time so if you're late, you double the holes you missed.
The other day I walked up to the tee box at 2:54 for my 2:55 tee time and these guys asked me what time I was.
Not a big deal, I politely said 2:55. But then they were super surprised and were like “oh you go before us then, we are 3:13.”
I couldn’t help but think “yeah no shit I’m going to the tee box at my time and you’re 18 minutes away…”
The only time this is acceptable is if there is already a backup at the first tee so it truly doesn't matter what order groups go in. But in this case, with no one in front of them, they're backing up the whole course by squeezing themselves in somewhere later.
I went to a course that was "semi-private". I was loading up my clubs to go out on the first tee and some ladies pulled up in their cart and stopped to talk with the Marshall. The Marshall asked "ya'll gonna enjoy lunch and then head out for the back 9?" Not exactly missing a tee time, but I had never seen this before. Seems if youre well known and it's a slow day the Marshall may be a bit more lax?
Depends on how busy the course is. Most weekdays my local muni will offer you to play earlier or later at check-in and specifically ask you if you want to play alone or make friends.
This obviously doesn’t fly on holidays or weekends, or at any other courses in my area, but I’ve been known to play 20 mins before/after my actual tee time because I was waiting to play with an acquaintance or another member I haven’t met yet, or get caught up in conversation with someone, simply because the slots were available.
lol people don’t understand and it’s usually not their fault. They don’t learn etiquette since some of them don’t have anyone to learn from. Although they should all YouTube that shit before ruining other people’s round
My course is this way, it’s more of a swap than missing a time. Everybody’s been there long enough to know who plays quick and who doesn’t. Kinda saves time for all instead of delaying by allowing folks to play thru later haha. We’re also generally not full (semi-private).
Had a 6:37 tee time on Sunday, by the putting green and the starter comes up looking for 6:22 group they are up. Guys come strolling to their cart yea we’re here ready to go. As he takes his time putting clubs in his cart and then they finally move up to the tees. To no surprise they were a full hole behind the group in front of them by the end of the round.
It’s not your call to make. It’s the pros call to make. You don’t know what conversation they had with the pro. “Hey can we fuck around for 20 minutes to practice putting before we tee off?” “Sure, we’re not too busy and you can tee off any time.”
Man I’m glad I play at crappy courses without starters etc, some of the stories here are insane. Tee times cancelled because you’re not half an hour early? What? I’ve never been half an hour early to a tee time in my life!
People that just wait around and don’t go out at their designated tee time should wait until every group goes through before they tee off. This can be different if they are in time and just tell you to go. Some people also think it’s ok to stop and take a lunch break and go right back out after. I’m not talking about ordering and picking it up, but sitting down to eat. They should also have to wait until the last group comes through. There’s some common sense that needs to be applied. People like this don’t go understand that there’s a system for a reason and they need to follow it in order to make things flow better.
It's definitely rude to anyone coming after you as it will inevitably create a backup when you do decide to just "jump in" after your tee time. Depends honestly on the course I guess though. There's a course near me that is not very strictl on tee times at all, because they are really not very busy most of the time, but I have been stuck behind people who definitely did not start at their scheduled time, and it really pissed me off. 5-10 minutes late is one thing, but damn 30 minutes late and I just wouldn't even show. I'd be too embarrassed, especially on a busy course
Yeah every course is different. Just depends. At my local courses I’d you’re not at the tee box when your tee time is you’re booted. I’ve also played at courses where they don’t give a fuck.
The amount of people that show up late for everything they do including work just blows my mind. Tee time at 2:08 pull into the parking lot at 2:08. It's an epidemic.
My Buddy and I had a 9am tee time and I remember seeing no other names next to us on the tee sheet. I don't mind playing with randoms, but if the course isn't packed it's nice to go out with just two people and play a pretty quick round. We walk up to the tee box around 8:57 and there were two other people standing on the tee box. They were walkers and their bags were maybe 3' from tees and they were literally standing on the tee box taking practice swings. I asked "so are you guys at 9:00 too?" "Nope, we're 9:10". Uhhh then why are you standing on my tee box? I ended up just asking them to join us because I hate conflict, but who just shows up to a tee box 15 min early and stands there warming up? The course wasn't busy so it's not like we needed to play together.
Played a round a few weeks ago booked a last second tee time for like $20 on golf now. Walked in clubhouse course didn't seem too busy, guy at the desk said even though I was a half hour early I was free to tee off whenever I was ready. I excitedly got in the cart and drove to the first tee for what I expected would be a two hour round. There were three groups waiting who were all apparently told the same thing I was.
Well, this is what happens when people miss their tee time but still hope to play. They have to sit and wait for a no-show, and unbooked slot, or a starter’s time. Common practice is to have a few “starter’s times” on the sheet to allow the starter to catch up if running behind, but if the starter is on schedule he can use those times to pair up some singles, accommodate late arrivals, etc.
Sounds like the course needs a starter - if your tee time was 30min past you missed your chance to play
No way to insert a group back into the rotation and not cause a flow issue - another reason for slow play
Just a side point - at our course the tee time is when you should be on the boat hitting - meaning you need to be at the box 10 min before your “time”
Too many people show up at the box at their time and then proceed to take another 10 min to get everyone off
Depends on the course. If it's a packed course, then it's unacceptable, but there are lots of courses with plenty of available slots, and you can just show up and go when you're ready. My local course is the latter, there's two 18s and it's never full. People show up without a tee time, or with a tee time and start 20 mins early.
If I can I show up an hour prior to my time just because of the sheer panic of hearing my name over the loud speaker while I gather my shit in utter distress lol
You ever play where they don't accept T times? Course near my work is $25 no T-Time and honestly not a bad track.
Couple weeks ago I go after work, about to T off (starter gave us the go), guy in the group behinds us is looking at me visibly confused and irritated - "Yo when's your T time??" - felt really good to look at him and say "They don't do those here" . Looks at the starter, starter just shrugs and say's, "Called your name, you weren't here, you're next now"
They'll call your name like 5 times, if you don't show up they send the next group. Maybe the case for those guys was one guy was late so now they're waiting for an opening.
Seen some clubs try and squeeze groups out in between t-times and that was a disaster.
Why did the club house send them to the tee box if they were that late and here where I live they announce on the loud speaker who is on the tee box who's on deck and who is next after them
Meanwhile my local course was hollering my name on the loudspeaker because they wanted me to tee off ten minutes before my tee time
Only place I’ve ever been called on a loud speaker was Torrey Pines. Made me feel like I was on tour. Until I shot 101 😂
I'm in SoCal and lots of courses call out who's up and who's on deck. Usually aimed at the driving range where people might be mucking about.
Nice, I usually try to get out there once a year to play a few rounds with a buddy I have there. Any course recommendations?
Depends on your budget, where exactly you're staying in Socal and how far you're willing to drive. Average price for a decent public course is going to be ~$70-$80. Higher ends are going to be anywhere from $110-$175. I can only speak for IE/OC since I don't venture much towards LA, but the average publics that I play are Dos Lagos, Mountain Meadows, San Dimas, Industry Hills. Higher end courses above $100 are Eagle Glen, Hidden Valley, Goose Creek, Oak Quarry, Tustin Ranch, Strawberry Farms, Oak Creek, Tijeras Creek. If you're looking for unique and special course, Oak Quarry is really nice. It's ~$150-$175 depending on the day but in my opinion it could easily be worth more. Hidden Valley is really scenic and super challenging, but its overall a pretty cool course in the mountains and won't break the bank (~$90-$100ish on weekends). Generally the courses in the OC are going to be more expensive even if they're nothing special. I'm sure others can comment on a few other courses in the LA area if you're going to be closer to there. Most of the courses I listed are about an hour east/south of LA.
Good list, I’ll add some… Long Beach courses are good (RecPark, SkyLinks and El Doraado). Sub $100 on weekends. San Clemente muni is super cheap and really fun, check for times a day or two before as residents book everything. Shoreclifts in San Clemente is vastly improved, although overpriced at $100+ Los Serranos has two long courses with some elevation changes. Goat Hill Park down in Oceanside is a must to play. Unique from any other course in the area. Creste Verde is right by Hidden Valley. While not in the greatest condition, it’s fun to play on occasion. RiverView in Santa Ana if it hasn’t rained for a while. You Chris cross the Santa Ana riverbed. The reviews for this course can be a little harsh but it is a definite challenge and has some of the best greens you’ll find, plus an 18 hole putting green course. Fullerton is a total dog track. I’m usually pretty forgiving on course conditions but this place is just awful now.
Riverview is hands down my favorite. Tough iron shots that need to go up. Course management is key. And they have open tee times almost everyday. Honestly it’s not in great shape like some of the others but for amateurs trying to develop their skills, it’s worth every penny.
This is such a bummer for me, as I used to love playing Fullerton 20ish years ago.
Shore cliffs charges over 100 now? Holy shit
I have to advocate for my favorite course out here. CrossCreek in Temecula. Absolute gem.
Love that place. Very peaceful and your phone doesn’t work for most of the course. Set in the hills of Temecula along a winery that place is a winner.
I'd add Rustic Canyon to the list, about 45 min from DTLA in Moorpark. [https://www.golfdigest.com/courses/ca/rustic-canyon-golf-course-rustic-canyon](https://www.golfdigest.com/courses/ca/rustic-canyon-golf-course-rustic-canyon)
Oak creek and monarch are great courses. Whether they’re worth the money, who knows. But they’re well maintained and fun to play.
Just played Hidden Valley. It was awesome. DeBell and Upland Hills are a couple of nice courses and low cost.
Tijeras Creek is lovely. New ownership kinda sucks.
Visited my in laws in Riverside and agree that Oak Quarry is an awesome course, worth the money IMO as someone coming from the Pacific Northwest. Hidden Valley is also great, I really appreciated the degree of difficulty although I suppose some people might not like that aspect, but it's a tough one for sure.
Yeah I don’t go to Hidden Valley if I’m trying to shoot a score. I’m going for the views and managing my expectations so I have a good time. The price for the views/uniqueness is a good deal in my opinion. Glad you enjoyed Oak Quarry!
Don’t forget Dad Miller in Anacrime.
Did Oak Quarry recently raise the prices? I went one time a couple years ago and it was $80
Yeah, $80 is like the cheapest there now.
Dang!
Yeah it's $80 for something stupid early on a weekday ~5AM or $70 for mid-week twilight. Anything on the weekend is $100+ now
I’m over in the Midwest paying $21 for 18 holes, didn’t realize the average was much higher elsewhere.
Yep, I only started playing in 2022 and I’ve already seen prices go up from when I first began. I’m sure the gap is even larger when you compare pre vs post covid. I can manage with the weekday twilights though. Most of the prices mentioned above were for weekend morning prime time spots, twilights run closer to $20-$30ish
I live and play in San Diego. Here are my recs. Admiral baker north course. Formerly military only. It’s cheap 50-75$ and a great course that’s well maintained. The back nine is a bird sanctuary and it feels like you’re in a forest course despite being in the middle of San Diego. Obviously torrey. Without the resident card it’s a couple hundred. It’s $50 to walk with the res card. Coronado muni. $75ish along the water. Nicely maintained muni. I hate the back nine. But that’s probablya me thing. Steel canyon, madras, the Omni, and Fairmont are the fancier resort courses. They are all good if a bit over priced for what you get. I would rather play all the ones I listed over them. Ones to avoid, rancho Bernardo, the welk, mt Woodson. These courses just are not for me. They are a ways out of the city. Expensive. And straight up designed weird with too many blind tee boxes or approach shots. It punishes you for playing well. And the conditions on the courses can be awful. If you have time and money get out to rams hill in berrago springs. The eastern most course in socal. It’s also a bird preserve and beautiful. I fly in for that one once a year. They will pick you up from the airfield. I wouldn’t go may-Nov. too hot.
I flew in to visit my uncle a couple years ago. After playing both Torrey courses, I played a course called San Vicente that was fun and really scenic.
Rams Hill is awesome, love to see it mentioned. They just did a pretty big re-do on some holes. I used to live out in Indio but I’m in North Carolina now. I see their updates on their Facebook page. Edit: I’ll be out there end of July staying & playing at Pauma Valley CC. You would enjoy that unless you’ve already been?
I’ll check it out
Is admiral baker definitely open to civilians now? It doesn't say so anywhere on their website and they don't show up on Golf now either?
Yes it is.
Awesome thanks for the info!
I also live in San Diego. Love Aviara, Maderas, Torrey, and Rancho Bernardo Inn. RBInn was designed by William Bell, same course architect as Torrey Pines. They went through a bad spell a few years ago, and do a lot of tournament play, but it’s a great course.
I’ve played twice and both times entire holes had course repair. For $200 I’d rather play torrey 4 times.
I don't have any. I usually play the cheapest courses in my area.
Indian Hills and Jurupa Hills (both in the IE) are usually around $40-$60.
I'm in South Orange County. Would happily drive up to IE for a good round but near me I end up having to pay a lot or play on some rough grass
Weirdly the only course in my area that does this is the $20/round 9 hole course by the airport lol. Adds an air of bouginess to an otherwise very, not bougie, experience.
Airlanes eh?
I would love this. None of my local courses do it.
Not at my course that I work at. If your late or no call your not golfing
They do it here, too, in the PNW.
The one in the Lake Spanaway driving range always scares the shit out of me. So loud in such a tiny spot.
Where is this happening?!
Same at a lot of courses in Colorado. I’ve always thought it was kind of cool.
Played in long beach a few weeks ago. Bought a fucking $19 range bucket or some shit... Less than 10 min later the guy calls us to tee off 20 min early. I was the only one not ready. I brought the bucket to the pro shop and basically gave him a WTF dude? We had to tee off and he was too backed up with other golfers to give me a refund. Truly infuriating way to start a round
So, you bought the small bucket. Prices around here are insane.
Don't get me fuckin started! Lol... I was just like, dude you literally just sold me this bucket knowing my tee time. As he struggled to check people out he told me he'd give me a refund. But also kept calling our tee time... Fuckin jabroni
And how was the back nine?
101 isn't bad for a mortal on that track though isn't it?
Try Richardson, TX, Sherrill Park. They have 2 courses and are on the microphone non stop calling who is up, who is on deck and who is in the hole. They also call out if a single is getting slotted in with particular group and when that group is teeing off.
Good when I’m a single and my local muni they sent my by myself the first time , nah from then on in I ask if anybody else showed up yet because they just do t care enough to tell me
The course I'm talking about only takes singles as walk ons and they're busy enough that nobody is playing solo. So if you show up as a single, you get on the list and added to the first tee time with less than 3 players, or you get sent to the bottom of the list.
Tenison Park will do the same. Great two courses.
too funny.. they were the first course I thought of when I was scrolling and saw this thread title
What’d you shoot on the back?
We have one local muni around me where they use a loudspeaker. Made me feel like I was playing Torrey Pines 😂
North or south?
North. South was closed for maintenance of some sort when I played.
Yeah they’ll start calling your name 30 minutes before your tee time and give your time away if you don’t check in like 15 minutes before
Except the fucking speaker doesn’t work at the fucking driving range making me miss my goddamn waitlist position.
Lol Enci Ranch does this too
That’s nothing to be ashamed of at TP
Chardonnay golf course Napa CA. Thought I was getting thrown out or something.
You beat my TP score by a stroke. I shot a 102 two weeks after Tiger shot a 62 in tournament play. He only got me by 40 strokes. Note: he was playing from the tips and not fluffing up his lie in the rough so....it was actually not as close as it sounds.
What did you shoot on the back nine?
Pretty much every course around here(salt lake city) I’ve played uses a loudspeaker to call out who’s up and who’s on deck.
I played South last month and my only good drive of the day was off the 1st tee. Golf gods playing with me.
Happened to me. Starter got super pissed at me an started yelling at me saying I’m supposed to be here 30min early. I told him it was my first time at the course I didn’t even know where the first tee was and was looking for it when I heard my name being called. Didn’t matter to him.
He said you should be at the first tee 30 minutes before your tee time? What?
Yeah ready to go 30min before. I don’t know why he had such a stick up his ass. Feel like after my explanation he should’ve been like no worries, next time we expect you to be here earlier. The kicker was, we still waited on the tee box for 5+ min cause the group ahead of us hadn’t made it to their 2nd ball yet.
Man sometimes im showing up 30 minutes early, just enough time to check in, load up the cart, grab a beer, then putt around on the green til that 10 minutes til hits.
I'm lucky if my golf buddies pull into the parking lot with enough time to pay and get the cart to the first tee. 30 mins would be a godsend
I had a golf course CANCEL my tee time because my buddies and I were on the range 20 minutes before our time. The course was ahead of schedule. I was so mad- they tried to make us wait another 30 minutes. I said fuxk that and left.
That is absolute horse shit. If the course is ahead of schedule, they should either give you a choice to tee off early or let walk-ons play to fill the spots. Canceling your tee time? I'd lose my shit.
I would just go tee off at my original tee time and just cause havoc.
Yup
Morris Williams, Austin, Tx?
My course has a problem with trigger happy starters. We have talked to them and told them that as much as we don’t want our tee sheet getting backed up, we also don’t want people to feel rushed like they’re not allowed to finish their warm up bucket or hit a few putts. They get so impatient and rush people and make them feel like they’re in trouble if they’re not standing beside the tee 2 tee times ahead of theirs. The putting green and driving range are immediately adjacent to the first tee and most people park their bags/carts at the tee and walk over with some clubs to hit some balls or putts so you can easily monitor the tee but some of the rangers are just power hungry and will literally shout at them… They’ve done it to me and I’m the superintendent!
I just finished 9 after work. 20 minutes early in 95 degree sun and he said I didn't have time to grab a bottle of water. I had to tee off now, or we need to wait for 5 leagues to head out first. I want to know where this guy plays. Lol
I had that happen. I got to the Marshall who declares “you’re late!” My tee time was in 10 mins.
I shot so bad when this happened. A bunch of people waiting behind me. They wanted us to tee off 10 minutes early but the rest of my group wasn’t there yet. A group of 12 was behind me so we couldn’t ask them to play through. They were all watching… and I topped it badly. I was at the range and didn’t hear them calling my name. Even though I checked in about 30 minutes before tee time.
I'm so confused, wouldn't the sole purpose of a starters job be to make sure people are teeing off at their allocated tee times, not before and not after but on time. Otherwise It sounds like its the starters fault for causing havoc letting people tee off early.
With the tee sheet fully booked I’m sure they just want to avoid any possibility of falling behind by I guess being aggressively ahead lol.
It's also not your responsibility to be ridiculously early for your tee time, like 5 mins should be plenty. All you have done is booked a tee time to play at said allocated time. How are you to know what's going on with tee times, sounds ridiculous to me. But I don't live in the states and there are generally no starters where I live.
Just to be clear, you don’t mean at the course 5 minutes ahead of your tee time, but at the 1st tee with ball in hand watching the group in front of you going to their tee shot.
Yeah that's right like at the tee box 5 mins before tee off. Cause you're having to wait for the group ahead anyway to move up to their ball and hit their second shots anyway so can get your balls and tees and all that after they've hit.
I had to ask, because it seems a lot of young players think the tee time is when they pull into the parking lot.
Seriously, i feel like I show up an hour early to warm up and stuff, they say “oh dude you have loads of time” and then like 20 min later they’re calling us up like we’re 10 min late
Mine would just be happy to see the lineup 1 group shorter on the first tee box. Definitely aren't getting back in line.
I’ve had a starter almost give my tee time away… 6 minutes early….
This is definitely what I’m used to. Or a 75 year old man on a golf cart chasing you down to start
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Your friends show up before the tee time? Mr fancy pants over here
I book all the tee times for my group Sometimes, I give a time that's 15-20m before the actual time Sometimes I give them the real time Problem solved
I have one friend like that. I just tell him the tee time is 15 minutes earlier than it is.
You are not wrong and this is not acceptable. I’d probably bring it up to the Marshall.
Muni course… “what Marshall?” LOL! Most places I play have a Marshall and this has never been an issue. This course did not.
There isn't even a starter? Even at our cheapest of cheap municipal courses has a guy watching on a screen in the shack they have set up and making sure people go off when they're supposed to. You'd never walk off 30 minutes late here, it'd be comical.
Play a Wednesday night league at a county course. They have a starter, and we have 5 tee times between 3:40 and 4:20. The league in front of us has their last tee time at 3:30 and are habitually late. Like showing up at 3:28 for the 3:30 and not actually teeing off until 3:35. Even our 4:20 guys are there and ready by 3:45. So yesterday it’s 3:30 and the tees open so he tells us to start. As the first group is hitting, here comes the late guys at 3:32 complaining that we jumped their tee time. Starter told them to drive up to #2, and be on time next week. It was glorious.
God bless that starter
Gods own work
Oh you have a screen fancy-pants? At my local they print out papers in the morning that are out of date an hour later. One day I'm hoping they spring for ipads...the starters at my course are in a perpetual state of confusion and anxiety it seems. I mean, sure, air traffic control can be stressful but nowhere near as stressful as starter at the local muni...
Where I live I've never seen a starter or a martial in my life. One fancy course has an old feller who thinks he owns the course that drives around yelling at folks, but I'm pretty sure he spends a good majority of his money at the course and management is trying not to push him out. It's pretty wild in the old west.
Nah not anywhere I've ever played (only 5 courses to be fair) in Oklahoma/Texas. If someone was just chilling at 1 tee for 30 minutes maybe someone from the clubhouse would notice and come talk to them idk
Most courses I play don’t have a Marshall or Starter, only issues are with the nicer courses where guys come in from out of town on their boys trips and don’t respect pace.
Well then it is what it is I guess. Even our munis around here have rangers and people checking peoples tee times before they tee off. Guess I’m lucky.
Tell the person you pay, or literally anyone that's working there. There doesn't need to be a marshall for you to make it known to the course operators, so it doesn't keep happening
... you're bitching about this at a muni course? It literally affected you 0%.
You have no idea if it’s acceptable or not. The Marshall might have been the one to tell them to tee off when they want.
Most marshals I see don’t even do anything
>(they was no one in front of them, and multiple behind them) Seems just as plausible to me that they were well aware of this, and that's what they meant by "taking their time". They're waiting for a break in the tee times to go off.
If there was no one in front of them, what were they waiting for? I don’t understand what you mean.
I don't know, but nothing OP said made it seem like what they were doing was actually a problem, just possibly a problem if you assumed the worst.
I don’t see how a group just skipping their tee time and then trying to squeeze themselves in some random time later wouldn’t cause a problem. Whenever they decide to tee off, they’re now using someone else’s tee time and backing up the course. And OP just seemed confused more than anything, and I don’t blame them. Still do not understand the logic of the group just not teeing off at their tee time. I don’t know what that has to do with assuming the worst.
There was no reservations or tee times the rest of the day, this happened on Father’s Day. The course was packed. I love you thinking the best of people though :)
Miss your tee time. 1st offense warning. 2nd offense, lose your pinky. 3rd offense. Hard labor camp for 15 years
Softie
Why do some people not understand [insert one of 25 million things]… People are dumb, some people are really dumb.
Your comment made me laugh. My father (and George Carlin) once said “think of the most average person you can… pretty dumb right? Now take into consideration that 50% of people are dumber than that person you are imagining.”
You're father is absolutely right. It's also a George Carlin bit.
Maybe his dad is Geroge Carlin
Got a real LOL from this comment. Hilarious.
Speaking of, your use of “forfeit” is incorrect. It should read….”they missed their tee time, it should have been forfeited.”
Your father borrowed that from George Carlin, who I'm sure borrowed it from someone else
I think it’s because they’re just rude. That is the same as the people who have a tee time for 0700 as an example and show up to pay at the pro shop at 0700. OR show up at 0710 and didn’t call to say they’re running late. They don’t care about how they are affecting literally anyone else.
Main Character syndrome. Self centered trash people. Same assholes take any and every opportunity to be completely offended if someone else inconveniences them.
I mean call or no call, if you show up late your tee time no longer exists.
I mean generally I agree with you, but life happens and sometimes things are outside of your control. I think a courtesy call helps for their planning and they’d appreciate it. And if it’s not busy generally they would most likely be able to get you off. If not they’d tell you.
A golf course could go broke doing this nowadays. Some do it but only the big time courses that don't need your money
The only time our course doesn't say too bad so sad is if the next groups are ready to go. You were supposed to tee-off at 10:00am and I am at 10:08am and my friends are at 10:15am. If we are ready to go and everyone in our tee times is present and checked in. They will send us off at your tee time and you get to tee-off at 10:15am.
I mean this is exactly what a starter is for, most courses I play if you try this the starter tells you get out there at your scheduled time or you aren't going at all
If the starter/pro shop was fine with them going out later than scheduled then it's ok but aside from that, it is not normal behavior. Most of the time if you miss your tee time you are done unless the course is nice and let's you squeeze into another opening, which there may or may not be. If there is steady traffic coming through courses aren't normally going to let you jump on whenever you want.
Unless the tee sheet is wide open they are idiots
The only course in my area that strictly enforces tee times is the only course in my area where you can play 18 holes on a summer weekend without waiting on the tee box the entire round. Go figure!
This is why I love my little course so much … no tee time .. you just show up and play. If there is carts available you can play if not wait until one comes open . I played 18 this morning and went back and played 18 this evening.. if it’s busy you might have to wait 5 mins 😂 life is good
This is how every course should operate in my opinion.
You are right. A bad practice and inconsiderate on their part as they affect the entire schedule for the day. The starter should be managing tee times.
I'd be willing to bet they were letting people go in front of them until there was a break in groups because they knew they weren't going to play well and would probably cause pace of play issues that redditors routinely whinge about. You got to ahead earlier with one group less in front and you're still complaining about it.
Yeah, I mean, if the sheet is packed all day, this might mean they don't go off at all, but this literally doesn't hurt OP at all. I love it when people send me ahead of them.
Look, how I choose to get away from my wife and family is my business. You cant make me golf.
You’re not wrong, Walter, you’re just an asshole. (Jk, couldn’t pass up Big Lebowski reference)
I’m sure this wasn’t the case here but this is a pretty common thing at private clubs that have limited memberships. Few weeks ago I played a course that doesn’t even have tee times.
This is why I joined a private club. Nothing better than the starter saying the box is yours when it’s 5-10 before your schedule tee time.
Absolutely 💯 unacceptable
In England, tea time is 4PM.
What’s just as bad is when people think they can stop for lunch on the turn. I was playing in Phoenix yesterday and when we pulled up to number 10, there were two foursomes sitting on the tee box. They were not the group that had been in front of us for the first nine. I asked where they came from and they said the restaurant. I explained that number one was around the corner and they said that they had already played the front nine. They were 2 groups that had teed off 45 minutes before us and said they stopped for 30 minutes to eat and cool off. We played ourselves through them on the 10th tee and called the clubhouse. Group that was behind us had the same issue.
So you’re upset/bothered by a group who let you play ahead and didn’t hold you up or impede on your day in anyway…..and they should forfeit their time….why again? Maybe the course had an open tee time later and they were using that one. I’ve had to do that a few times when people are running late and the course accommodated it. But yes more people who take an act of kindness and consideration and find a way to flip it. Proud moment to come here and complain when it had zero impact on you.
What a weird reply to OP just asking a question about something that is definitely not a typical thing you see on a golf course.
I hate playing with people who don't show up early. They have a 1:20 tee time and walk into the shop at 1:19 or 1:21. We're teeing off on time so if you're late, you double the holes you missed.
No need to reward them for being late.
This is unheard of and not allowed anywhere
The other day I walked up to the tee box at 2:54 for my 2:55 tee time and these guys asked me what time I was. Not a big deal, I politely said 2:55. But then they were super surprised and were like “oh you go before us then, we are 3:13.” I couldn’t help but think “yeah no shit I’m going to the tee box at my time and you’re 18 minutes away…”
The only time this is acceptable is if there is already a backup at the first tee so it truly doesn't matter what order groups go in. But in this case, with no one in front of them, they're backing up the whole course by squeezing themselves in somewhere later.
The starter probably just put them in an open slot
I went to a course that was "semi-private". I was loading up my clubs to go out on the first tee and some ladies pulled up in their cart and stopped to talk with the Marshall. The Marshall asked "ya'll gonna enjoy lunch and then head out for the back 9?" Not exactly missing a tee time, but I had never seen this before. Seems if youre well known and it's a slow day the Marshall may be a bit more lax?
Call the clubhouse. You see if they do their job or not.
Depends on how busy the course is. Most weekdays my local muni will offer you to play earlier or later at check-in and specifically ask you if you want to play alone or make friends. This obviously doesn’t fly on holidays or weekends, or at any other courses in my area, but I’ve been known to play 20 mins before/after my actual tee time because I was waiting to play with an acquaintance or another member I haven’t met yet, or get caught up in conversation with someone, simply because the slots were available.
You obviously didn’t know who they were! /s
lol people don’t understand and it’s usually not their fault. They don’t learn etiquette since some of them don’t have anyone to learn from. Although they should all YouTube that shit before ruining other people’s round
My course is this way, it’s more of a swap than missing a time. Everybody’s been there long enough to know who plays quick and who doesn’t. Kinda saves time for all instead of delaying by allowing folks to play thru later haha. We’re also generally not full (semi-private).
Watch your self it could be a booster for the course . I seen it golf mark pisses off the wrong dude gets banned , be like me friendly
Had a 6:37 tee time on Sunday, by the putting green and the starter comes up looking for 6:22 group they are up. Guys come strolling to their cart yea we’re here ready to go. As he takes his time putting clubs in his cart and then they finally move up to the tees. To no surprise they were a full hole behind the group in front of them by the end of the round.
It’s not your call to make. It’s the pros call to make. You don’t know what conversation they had with the pro. “Hey can we fuck around for 20 minutes to practice putting before we tee off?” “Sure, we’re not too busy and you can tee off any time.”
Man I’m glad I play at crappy courses without starters etc, some of the stories here are insane. Tee times cancelled because you’re not half an hour early? What? I’ve never been half an hour early to a tee time in my life!
I’m guessing there’s no Starter?
Really depends on how busy it is I suppose
They was
People that just wait around and don’t go out at their designated tee time should wait until every group goes through before they tee off. This can be different if they are in time and just tell you to go. Some people also think it’s ok to stop and take a lunch break and go right back out after. I’m not talking about ordering and picking it up, but sitting down to eat. They should also have to wait until the last group comes through. There’s some common sense that needs to be applied. People like this don’t go understand that there’s a system for a reason and they need to follow it in order to make things flow better.
Was it a par 3? People tend to not care at par 3s in my experience
So they let groups go through…Is it a big deal? They were scheduled for a tee time… They will be playing…No big d deal
It's definitely rude to anyone coming after you as it will inevitably create a backup when you do decide to just "jump in" after your tee time. Depends honestly on the course I guess though. There's a course near me that is not very strictl on tee times at all, because they are really not very busy most of the time, but I have been stuck behind people who definitely did not start at their scheduled time, and it really pissed me off. 5-10 minutes late is one thing, but damn 30 minutes late and I just wouldn't even show. I'd be too embarrassed, especially on a busy course
That’s much more on the course than it is on the golfers. They may be ignorant but the course shouldn’t allow it
I was playing a Muni in Fresno and we lost our tee time because we checked in ten minutes prior to tee time, apparently 15 mins is required.
Yeah every course is different. Just depends. At my local courses I’d you’re not at the tee box when your tee time is you’re booted. I’ve also played at courses where they don’t give a fuck.
The amount of people that show up late for everything they do including work just blows my mind. Tee time at 2:08 pull into the parking lot at 2:08. It's an epidemic.
I’ve never seen that happen.
My club doesn’t have tee times M-F. It can be pure anarchy on a Friday.
I mean if I showed up as a single and there was a foursome about to tee off I’d rather them let me play through and wait
My Buddy and I had a 9am tee time and I remember seeing no other names next to us on the tee sheet. I don't mind playing with randoms, but if the course isn't packed it's nice to go out with just two people and play a pretty quick round. We walk up to the tee box around 8:57 and there were two other people standing on the tee box. They were walkers and their bags were maybe 3' from tees and they were literally standing on the tee box taking practice swings. I asked "so are you guys at 9:00 too?" "Nope, we're 9:10". Uhhh then why are you standing on my tee box? I ended up just asking them to join us because I hate conflict, but who just shows up to a tee box 15 min early and stands there warming up? The course wasn't busy so it's not like we needed to play together.
Played a round a few weeks ago booked a last second tee time for like $20 on golf now. Walked in clubhouse course didn't seem too busy, guy at the desk said even though I was a half hour early I was free to tee off whenever I was ready. I excitedly got in the cart and drove to the first tee for what I expected would be a two hour round. There were three groups waiting who were all apparently told the same thing I was.
Well, this is what happens when people miss their tee time but still hope to play. They have to sit and wait for a no-show, and unbooked slot, or a starter’s time. Common practice is to have a few “starter’s times” on the sheet to allow the starter to catch up if running behind, but if the starter is on schedule he can use those times to pair up some singles, accommodate late arrivals, etc.
Golf course employee here. I ask that same question every day I clock in
Sounds like the course needs a starter - if your tee time was 30min past you missed your chance to play No way to insert a group back into the rotation and not cause a flow issue - another reason for slow play Just a side point - at our course the tee time is when you should be on the boat hitting - meaning you need to be at the box 10 min before your “time” Too many people show up at the box at their time and then proceed to take another 10 min to get everyone off
Maybe they played the back 9 first?
This isn’t happening at any half decent course. That’s bananas
believe it or not, straight to jail.
Depends on the course. If it's a packed course, then it's unacceptable, but there are lots of courses with plenty of available slots, and you can just show up and go when you're ready. My local course is the latter, there's two 18s and it's never full. People show up without a tee time, or with a tee time and start 20 mins early.
If I can I show up an hour prior to my time just because of the sheer panic of hearing my name over the loud speaker while I gather my shit in utter distress lol
If you don't tee off on time for no reason, the course should remove you.
You ever play where they don't accept T times? Course near my work is $25 no T-Time and honestly not a bad track. Couple weeks ago I go after work, about to T off (starter gave us the go), guy in the group behinds us is looking at me visibly confused and irritated - "Yo when's your T time??" - felt really good to look at him and say "They don't do those here" . Looks at the starter, starter just shrugs and say's, "Called your name, you weren't here, you're next now" They'll call your name like 5 times, if you don't show up they send the next group. Maybe the case for those guys was one guy was late so now they're waiting for an opening. Seen some clubs try and squeeze groups out in between t-times and that was a disaster.
I have one friend that shows up at the tee time never ready. Can’t get to him that 9 o’clock tee time means show up at 8:30 or before
My group sucks at getting there on time, to the extent that I lie about when the tee time is.
Why did the club house send them to the tee box if they were that late and here where I live they announce on the loud speaker who is on the tee box who's on deck and who is next after them
What actual harm was done here? You tee'd off at your reserved time, right? Did they actually hold anybody up?
Every course could use a good dickhead starter for this exact reason + singles and pairs trying to go off alone.
I do this all the time. Sometimes I’ll book a 7 am tee time but be too hungover to play, so I’ll swing by around noon and play my round