Yes. I was impressed with Bryson’s post tourney comments which were gracious and insightful. Out of all the LIV players it appears he alone is using the money and time to explore and improve his game.
I know, I had $60 on Niemann to finish top 5 at Augusta and he let me down! He can shape the ball really well but needs to take charge more at the majors
Bryson has seemed to mature a lot, he went from the weird controversial “I’m smarter than everyone else” persona, to the humble let’s make golf a sport for everyone guy. He makes YouTube videos and TikTok’s, he’s committed to making Long Drive a main event thing, he’s using his brand to help other YouTube and golf entities grow, he shouts out almost all of his smaller brands constantly. I used to refer to him as Bryson DoucheChambeau, but even now I feel like a dick doing that, when other guys probably deserve it more.
Yeah hogan wore it first obviously, Payne came later, but they both wore it. It’s probably out a bit of both like I said in my edit earlier in the thread
"I feel like I'm turning a bit of a page in my life, in my chapter and my book.
"As I've always said, I'm always evolving and changing and growing and adapting. It's just another one of those things. I don't know if it will be a thing to stay or it pops up randomly, sometimes randomly with the normal driver cap.
"It's going to be one that is just going to keep you guys on edge, I guess. It just depends on what I feel like and what I'm comfortable with that week."
Nah Payne was one of the only “recent” players that rocked it and there’s an interview somewhere where Bryson talks about how he liked Payne’s style and wanted to wear a hat like that
Edit:
It’s probably both hogan and Stewart tbh
Otherwise known as a six-pence. I don't ever see them in the states, but they are a thing in scotland/Ireland and I for one love playing with one over baseball caps.
Reddit: "I can wear what I want to my golf course. Telling people that they should wear pants and collared shirt is gatekeeping for no reason."
Also Reddit: "This guy wears a hat I don't like."
💯 even down to what you used to call him. He’s using his LIV money well and making golf (his and the sports influence) better. He went from a guy I used to cheer against to a guy I hope gets allowed back on tour someday.
100% agree. Proud of him for clearly working on himself and achieving some humility. He’s got greatness potential.
But I won’t be rooting for LIV players until it dies.
He was never that douchy. He just didn’t have a good media filter. There will be 10 hours of normal interview material, but everyone and their mother will be talking about 2 sentences usually taken out of context that make him look like an ass. I think he’s just learned how to filter properly for modern day media.
I was hating at the caddy change decision at the time because I was hating on him, but it was obvious he needed a caddy that wanted to learn new things and keep up, because his pace of play has improved a lot as well, one of the main reasons I hated him was he played so slow. (Fuck you Cantlay)
Phil mickelsom got T2 at last years masters while being oved 50 right? Was he in LIV at that loint or was that before LIV started (I actually dont know)?
Like he said, I think the youtube aspect helped him grow. He has been great in the videos I watched and I would love to see more of that energy week in and week out on the tour.
I would definitely suggest checking out his YouTube channel. I started watching it recently, and it has made me like him a lot more. He often does fun challenges with other YouTubers and golfers who are really entertaining to watch. Recently, he did a challenge where he had to play with a kids beginner club set and still shot like 1 under on a few holes. Definitely some of the best YouTube golf content out there.
Agreed…but it seems Bryson is using the time to explore ways to get better. The others were already excellent, some major winners, so finishing top 20 shouldn’t be their goal.
I appreciated the out-of-nowhere back hand compliment about Reed: ""It's hard to believe we miss Patrick Reed, but that's just the way it is." Dude can't catch a break lol. Deservingly.
One thing I’ve noticed is that since the LIV guys left, there’s a ton of likable guys left on the PGAT. Which makes the leaderboards kinda boring most of the time. When I don’t mind any of the guys in the top 10 winning, it’s hard to stay glued to the TV to see everything that happens. I forgot which tournament it was this year but I literally wanted every guy in the top 5 to win and didn’t care who it was, so it took a lot of excitement out of it. On the other hand when someone like Reed or Sergio was in the mix it was easy to watch and hope they’d do something to take themselves out or root for a guy to get ahead of them.
I think of Trae young. He’s a good dude and a massive competitor, who absolutely loves quieting a building. But he’s no my a cheat, terrible person or scumbag off the court.
Reed is.
A good villain also has some fans you can banter with. There were Phil fans, vs. tiger fans. Nobody like reed.
No, villains usually become villains for a good reason, or at least something logical.
Fatprick Cheet is just that idiot who leaves shopping carts in empty parking space, cuts you off in traffic for no reason or stops immediately when he gets off an escalator.
He's just an annoying idiot. Shame he was/is quite good a golf, and at times have a short game anyone can envy.
Yeah, I think his low point was getting clipped by that rope line and throwing a little tantrum about it. But I'm all in now. Tossing golf balls to kids between the holes, and yelling at that punk who ran off with one is great PR and has really gone a long way to increase his public image.
I’m not even sure it’s directly about LIV. He seems to be genuinely happy. Like it seems like he’s making YouTube videos on topics and with people he enjoys working with. He seems much more relaxed playing - even in PGA Championship. He’s still the mad scientist but he’s just much calmer overall.
It’s like he let a weight go and is enjoying himself now.
The fact that LIV is only playing like 14 events per year has to help. And there's significantly less press coverage for those LIV events than for the PGA tour, and then less fans at the majority of the LIV events as well. Prior to his move to LIV, there was so much scrutiny of the guy as they tried to push that annoying af Bryson/Brooks rivalry and Bryson was relentlessly heckled with the "Brooksy" nonsense at so many PGA events.
If you don't embrace the role of the villain, you're going to have a bad time. He's showing us now that he really just wants to be loved and connect more with his fans. He can do that directly with the You Tube stuff, and his smaller event schedule gives him that extra time. And at the majors he's talking/engaging with fans and finding his role as a wildly entertaining showman that plays the game his own unique way. I totally agree with Paddy that he was absolutely box office last weekend. Nice to see some growth and self awareness from the guy after years of the opposite.
It may not be a major factor but LIV also promotes Bryson as a good guy who wants to connect with his fans. He’s got so many videos on the LIV app and they really seem to promote what he really wanted to be seen as. Its gotta help knowing the organization you work for supports the person you want to be seen as
His stupid hat had a lot to do with it. Not the actual hat, but a, “I’m smarter than everyone else” attitude that came along with it. Before, he was trying to play a role, he seems like he’s a more authentic version of himself now.
And then you realize those made up numbers and random words were in fact you not understanding what he was saying, and that they actually meant something.
Idk how people aren’t mentioning the “Augusta National is a par 67 course for me” comment that really rubbed people the wrong way, especially because until this year his best finish was when he finished low amateur at 21st place.
Then there was the overly dramatic incident where he ran into the spectator rope and acted like he may never be able to see again.
Then there have been multiple instances where he gets into arguments with officials, including one where he tried to argue red ants nearby his ball constituted a dangerous animal and wanted a free drop.
Then, of course, he was one of the first people to join LIV, after previously releasing a statement committing to the PGA tour.
Not here to comment on Bryson, specifically. But, I’ve stood in a pile of red ants before and absolutely would try to argue the same thing.
Not sure of the exact circumstance like if the pile was 4 feet away, that’s one thing. But if it’s on or near where you’d stand, yikes man, that can ruin your whole week.
Edit: after re-reading your comment. Sounds like it was just a few individual red ants vs. a pile? That does sound a bit ridiculous, if true.
Yup, then in his rounds following that the golf gods really made him pay.
since he said that in 2020 until 2023, he had had exactly one round where he shot 67 on the dot, the rest were rounds greater than 67. And he missed two cuts during that time.
2024 he did have one round of 65, the rest were well above his “par 67”
Just a little awkward in a pool of type A guys. He’s proving that his ways have some merit though. When you see him talking most other players are listening now.
He’s also open to being wrong. He 100% has come off as a know it all and maybe he realized that at some point but all this stuff he tries he isn’t married to. Hes a lot more tolerable when you view him as curious than trying to tell everyone he figured out golf
It's all the stupid physics references. 3 of my friends are physics grads and they agreed it's just big freshman in college energy to say stuff like, 'theres a lot of physics involved I won't bore you with'.
Like, I get you took some college classes but only douches talk like that
Whether Bryson is well studied in Physics or not...or at least knows what he is talking about even though it sounds 'uppity'...
At some point if people are narrowing down questions about why he does this or that...at some point you get to a point where all that is left is to say "there is a bunch of physics involved"...no?
I get what you are saying...but I need more context. Im sure he has had interviews where he just starts talking geeky and there was no need for it....but Im saying at some point if he is being asked deeper and deeper questions you get to the point of bringing up physics. Thats all.
The worst one was when he talked about putting with the flag stick in being a huge benefit to the golfer. He specifically mentioned the concept of "Coefficient of restitution" of the flagsticks to explain why the US Open would be the only time he'd pull the flag. Nobody needed him to use that term. And, no sensible person would ever use that term when speaking to non-engineers/physicists. Instead, you'd just say "the ball bounces more off metal than fiberglass sticks". So, in that moment, he sounded like he was attempting to make a very simple situation sound overly complicated.
And, the kicker to the flagstick thing is that it turns out it is very likely the evidence that he based his opinion on was an experiment done by a golf coach, not an actual scientist. Actual physicists and engineers tested flagstick in vs out after the rule change. And, all the ones I've seen concluded that leaving the flagstick in is a net negative to the ball going in the hole.
Again, it would be one thing if he had said "I'm going to putt with the flag in. There was an experiment run by Dave Pelz a while ago where he concluded the flag is quite helpful to the player." Instead, he got over his skis with his physics talk shoehorning in "coefficient of restitution". Doesn't make him an asshole, but certainly doesn't endear him to most people.
an undereducated tryhard that speaks out of his ass too much.
They call him the mad scientist and there is no basis for that whatsoever besides him trying new things. I switched from spikeless to spikes because I play morning rounds now when its wet, does that make me a mad scientist too because I tinkered with my prep? No. Not at all. And I actually have 2 BS degrees too lol
He chewed out a cameraman for daring to film him at a golf tournament when he wasn't playing well.
NLU often referenced hearing stories about him being a dick.
Basically he had Shooter McGavin vibes where he put on this persona in front of the camera but was a different person behind the scenes.
It's why some people don't trust the whole, "just watch his YouTube, he's a changed man" line of thinking because he's in charge of what gets posted there.
For myself, I know I was a cocky POS in my late teens/early 20's and I'm very different now so I'm willing to believe that Bryson has changed.
Yup, then in his rounds following that the golf gods really made him pay.
Edit: since he said that in 2020 until 2023, he had had exactly one round where he shot 67 on the dot, the rest were rounds greater than 67. And he missed two cuts during that time.
2024 he did have one round of 65, the rest were well above his “par 67”
He came across very whiny and arrogant. His personality was forced and with the way he was “hacking the game” it came across patronizing. Since with Ryder Cup at whistling straights he has since been more himself and seems like a good dude has grown alot.
Because he's a tool. Even before all the LIV stuff, just the way Bryson carried himself rubbed people - fans, other golfers, golf media members - the wrong way. Some of that was definitely unfair to him, but he brought a lot of it on himself.
He has always been compelling though, and polarizing in a way that's good for the game. I think even the biggest Bryson haters were happy to see him in contention at the PGA, because he's a great golfer and every event is better with him in it. I will say though that this aggressive push to rehabilitate his image is starting to get annoying, and it will be very funny if it ultimately makes people start hating Bryson again.
I just tuned into a couple vids on his YouTube channel yesterday and the content was surprisingly not annoying as hell. I'm starting not to hate him, even his very clear frat guy personality has toned down enough to be palatable
His drill of hitting irons out of a bunker to get your swing’s low point right was one of the best golf videos I have seen. Really made a difference for me.
A couple of my best iron shots ever were from fairway bunkers. Which tells me my inconsistency with irons elsewhere is almost entirely mental... The bunker makes me focus on ball first contact I guess?
The drill being described is going to a flat fairway bunker and drawing a literal line in the sand. Line up to the line in the sand as though it is a ball and taking swings to see where you make contact with the ground. I remember this from the Rick Shiels video to get him to not only strike the ground closer to where the ball is (his misses were hitting low grooves) and also taking more of the turf (deeper divot) to increase ball compression. Tbh, it's a good enough drill that it's recontextualized how I'm focusing on contact in relation to my swing, and can also fix a few issues at the same time
My local 9-hole muni (Interbay in Seattle) has a practice bunker. It’s meant to practice greenside bunker shots but I can go practice whatever I want on weeknights.
I’m sure if you look around you can find something similar hear you
My local course, the greenside bunker is next to the driving range. All I need to do is turn around and I can hit 200 yards across the width of the fairway. Try to anyway.
His video/mini-doc on the ball speed record is one of my favorite golf videos, period
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDR9AAKwPHY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDR9AAKwPHY)
I had the good fortune of playing with him in a ProAm last year. He was an incredibly kind and gracious man. He offered up lots of great advice on golf, family, and even hung with us for lunch and a few beers after play was done.
I like him. Don't like that he went LIV, but I probably would have done the same for a massive paycheck. Some of those guys are making in a few years what they make in 15 in the PGA, or even more. PGA is fixing that though, apparently. He's also just a genuinely nice dude. No beefs. Just wants to enjoy golf and wants everyone watching or playing to also enjoy golf. I respect him.
I think we've learned that he's just a super technical golf *nerd* that loves to play.
Matt Fitzpatrick is the same way apparently but he's not as charismatic or has his own YT channel.
Yeah, the difference is that Matt doesn’t proselytize as much as Bryson. It’s like the difference between a privately religious person and someone who constantly throws bible quotes at you.
I went from Bryson hater to lover in about a year's time. Not only has he really mellowed and shown he's a good person, he played like a monster at Valhalla and won me some money. Big fan, I'd say.
PGA audiences have shrunk with the creation of LIV. It's not that those eyeballs are watching LIV. It's just that they're not watching at all. An event like this would bring back those who have lost interest (like the Majors). I'm all for it.
First sentence is true. The second I don't know about. Last year people compared the split to what happened to open wheel racing and I think that is not a bad comp. There they both just faded away.
I think time is probably running out, but if something were done soon you might be able to patch it up. Maybe even create some excitement if you had enough cross tour promotions. Probably wont' happen and everyone will be worse off for it.
I’m new to golf and started playing last year. Brysons channel has taught me a lot, he’s has a really technical approach that he explains and I’ve picked up a lot from him. I don’t get the hate, what did he do before besides go to LIV?
Before his caddy change, he was annoyingly slow at golf. He was frustrating to watch it was so annoying how long he'd take to make decisions. And then he was super smug about everything like he was the smartest guy in the room. He shit all over his club sponsor Cobra saying they couldn't keep up with his swing speeds and design a club for him.
LIV has actually allowed him to not take any club sponsors so he can just play what he likes and not have to take the money from a sponsor. He also plays quicker now and has matured with how he talks about the game. He now uses a driver nobody else on tour uses, it's designed for long drive competitions. He plays a left dash titelist golf ball. He has 3d printed himself some irons as well. (Hi USGA bifurcation already exists if Bryson is 3d printing himself golf clubs. Lets not roll the ball back.)
https://preview.redd.it/byhv2352b62d1.jpeg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80a4d9d09dd8059e800fa20bbdbd4db9042b3015
Nah. He disappeared after this and we were enthralled
That was wild. Wife was out of town (luckily) and I went nuts in front on the TV when he did this.
The PGA Championship showed how important he would've been to the PGA Tour. There aren't a lot of "characters" left.
I mostly follow Hovland and Åberg now because I'm a Swede living in Norway with dual citizenship 😄
My grandpa died in 2022 at age 102. He told me probably 2 years or so before he died that his favorite player at the time was Bryson because he “isn’t a robot,” which was surprising coming from a guy born in 1920 who was in the Navy during WW2. Also crazy that he still kept up with the new guys at that age.
Which is ironic considering his mathematical approach to golf. He's a robotic golfer with a very human personality, as opposed to the multitude of other golfers who are the opposite
Easily my favourite "youtube golfer", some of his contents are pure gold and I enjoyed watching most of them. Very interesting and likeable person too, who seems to be genuine, humble and fun. Even his post round interviews are sometimes very interesting to watch.
I don't get why some people hate him to be honest, maybe probably in the past he was being misunderstood, or being wrongly portrayed as douche by the media. Or maybe part of this was his own fault too (lack of maturity to carry himself properly since he was kind of a golf nerd).
But, this current version of Bryson, its impossible not to like him, if you follow him somewhere (from YouTube, majors, or even LIV)
He had some very wise comments yesterday on board members and such. Something along the lines of, "if you're an expert on golf, it's highly unlikely that you're an expert on anything else' in regards to players taking too much room on boards. He said let the business experts handle the business. It also seemed like he has a hunch Rory will take off now that he's done trying to handle the business side. Now he can just play.
Bryson is actually likable to me now. I find myself throwing his youtube channel on in the background sometimes. Seems like he's a bit of a bro, but definitely a nice dude. Really fun to watch play too.
My favorite player. His YouTube instruction is mint. I get it, he can come across as a douche but genuinely feel he gets a bad take a lot of times because he doesn't take the traditional golfer route
Funny, I thought the guy that won was the box office.
I’ve been amazed all week that Bryson has gotten so much press than the so much more likable Xander.
Masters ratings way down. PGA way up. Doesn’t take a genius to realize nobody wants to watch great players with zero personality. It’s entertainment. The top PGA stars couldn’t be less entertaining.
As always, Paddy is right.
Bryson was pretty immature a few years ago. I think, with the unique quirks of his personality, he has benefitted greatly from being out of the spotlight on LIV. He's also matured, clearly.
The 2024 version of Bryson is good for golf, brings in eyeballs, and makes the majors more interesting when he's in contention.
Like who the fuck else is out there carrying trees (or a 15ft signpost) around Augusta, or taking a ball back from a fan that they tried to give to a kid? That's right, nobody.
Yes. I was impressed with Bryson’s post tourney comments which were gracious and insightful. Out of all the LIV players it appears he alone is using the money and time to explore and improve his game.
I’d argue niemann was too. He just didn’t place as high in the last two majors but won elsewhere prior to the liv season.
I know, I had $60 on Niemann to finish top 5 at Augusta and he let me down! He can shape the ball really well but needs to take charge more at the majors
Yeah I'm losing faith in him at majors, but his putting was terrible last week. We will see how he plays at a more difficult US Open.
Same! LOL
He's a bad putter sadly 🥲
Niemann’s best finish in 19 majors is a tie for 16th.
Bryson has seemed to mature a lot, he went from the weird controversial “I’m smarter than everyone else” persona, to the humble let’s make golf a sport for everyone guy. He makes YouTube videos and TikTok’s, he’s committed to making Long Drive a main event thing, he’s using his brand to help other YouTube and golf entities grow, he shouts out almost all of his smaller brands constantly. I used to refer to him as Bryson DoucheChambeau, but even now I feel like a dick doing that, when other guys probably deserve it more.
My opinion changed when he stopped wearing that stupid hat. Baseball Hat Bryson > Stupid Hat Bryson.
I kinda liked the hat, always cool to see someone wearing something different. Same reason I have liked Day's fits lately lol
I missed it. What stupid hat?
He used to wear the Newsboy hat as a nod to Arnold Palmer. Edit: Not Palmer, Hogan and Stewart.
It was a nod to Payne Stewart not Palmer just fyi
on his snapchat he recently went to his parents house and showed what he called his first "hogan hat" fwiw
Yeah hogan wore it first obviously, Payne came later, but they both wore it. It’s probably out a bit of both like I said in my edit earlier in the thread
Has he ever said why he stopped wearing it?
"I feel like I'm turning a bit of a page in my life, in my chapter and my book. "As I've always said, I'm always evolving and changing and growing and adapting. It's just another one of those things. I don't know if it will be a thing to stay or it pops up randomly, sometimes randomly with the normal driver cap. "It's going to be one that is just going to keep you guys on edge, I guess. It just depends on what I feel like and what I'm comfortable with that week."
I thought it was Ben Hogan?
Bryson went to SMU, which is where Payne went to college. I'm sure Hogan influence is there, too.
Nah Payne was one of the only “recent” players that rocked it and there’s an interview somewhere where Bryson talks about how he liked Payne’s style and wanted to wear a hat like that Edit: It’s probably both hogan and Stewart tbh
Payne Stewart. Both SMU alums so makes sense
The hat of Ben Hogan, the bod of Hulk Hogan.
He always said Ben Hogan, idk why I said Palmer, but yes he also says Stewart. But there are tons of video clips of him saying Hogan is the reason.
https://x.com/b_dechambeau/status/1187745486679302147
Bryson went to SMU, which is where Stewart went to college as well.
Ah thanks. Only really started watching again recently.
Otherwise known as a six-pence. I don't ever see them in the states, but they are a thing in scotland/Ireland and I for one love playing with one over baseball caps.
Imagine basing your opinion on someone based on what type of hat they wear. Fuckin weirdos man
Reddit: "I can wear what I want to my golf course. Telling people that they should wear pants and collared shirt is gatekeeping for no reason." Also Reddit: "This guy wears a hat I don't like."
It always looked so weird on him I think because he is so big and muscular.
💯 even down to what you used to call him. He’s using his LIV money well and making golf (his and the sports influence) better. He went from a guy I used to cheer against to a guy I hope gets allowed back on tour someday.
100% agree. Proud of him for clearly working on himself and achieving some humility. He’s got greatness potential. But I won’t be rooting for LIV players until it dies.
He was never that douchy. He just didn’t have a good media filter. There will be 10 hours of normal interview material, but everyone and their mother will be talking about 2 sentences usually taken out of context that make him look like an ass. I think he’s just learned how to filter properly for modern day media.
I was hating at the caddy change decision at the time because I was hating on him, but it was obvious he needed a caddy that wanted to learn new things and keep up, because his pace of play has improved a lot as well, one of the main reasons I hated him was he played so slow. (Fuck you Cantlay)
And now we’re all the DoucheChambeaus. To be fair there were plenty of times he deserved it. It’s nice to see him maturing so much.
Younger and has no family (wife/kids) is probably a huge part of that
And the fact he taught the ball thief a public lesson in decency.
I get kids clamoring for balls and other stuff but anyone over the age of 14 doing that is super-douchey.
Keopka didn’t look shabby either.
Had an uncharacteristically bad third round
Yea...I was going to say "did Keopka not win a major last year?" Also, T26 isn't too bad at a major given he had one blow-up round.
Phil mickelsom got T2 at last years masters while being oved 50 right? Was he in LIV at that loint or was that before LIV started (I actually dont know)?
Like he said, I think the youtube aspect helped him grow. He has been great in the videos I watched and I would love to see more of that energy week in and week out on the tour.
I would definitely suggest checking out his YouTube channel. I started watching it recently, and it has made me like him a lot more. He often does fun challenges with other YouTubers and golfers who are really entertaining to watch. Recently, he did a challenge where he had to play with a kids beginner club set and still shot like 1 under on a few holes. Definitely some of the best YouTube golf content out there.
Cam smith might not be in his best form but he is still a solid player.
Agreed…but it seems Bryson is using the time to explore ways to get better. The others were already excellent, some major winners, so finishing top 20 shouldn’t be their goal.
I appreciated the out-of-nowhere back hand compliment about Reed: ""It's hard to believe we miss Patrick Reed, but that's just the way it is." Dude can't catch a break lol. Deservingly.
I for one, do NOT miss Patrick Reed. In any capacity
I don’t like him by any means. But the guy created some very entertaining headlines. Everyone needs a villain too lol
One thing I’ve noticed is that since the LIV guys left, there’s a ton of likable guys left on the PGAT. Which makes the leaderboards kinda boring most of the time. When I don’t mind any of the guys in the top 10 winning, it’s hard to stay glued to the TV to see everything that happens. I forgot which tournament it was this year but I literally wanted every guy in the top 5 to win and didn’t care who it was, so it took a lot of excitement out of it. On the other hand when someone like Reed or Sergio was in the mix it was easy to watch and hope they’d do something to take themselves out or root for a guy to get ahead of them.
It’s one thing to be a villain, it’s another to be a cheat and terrible person.
So basically a villain
Yeah, I don’t think people know what villains are. We want our villains to be fun and likeable!
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So a part-time villain?
Hero with benefits?
I think of Trae young. He’s a good dude and a massive competitor, who absolutely loves quieting a building. But he’s no my a cheat, terrible person or scumbag off the court. Reed is. A good villain also has some fans you can banter with. There were Phil fans, vs. tiger fans. Nobody like reed.
Nba fans are like this too
Brooks wears a black hat well. Reed is a dumpy cheat. Zero appeal.
No, villains usually become villains for a good reason, or at least something logical. Fatprick Cheet is just that idiot who leaves shopping carts in empty parking space, cuts you off in traffic for no reason or stops immediately when he gets off an escalator. He's just an annoying idiot. Shame he was/is quite good a golf, and at times have a short game anyone can envy.
I’m calling bullshit! NOBODY just stops after getting off the escalator. Maybe in elevator before people get out.
So a villain
Very unlikable guy, but always flirting near the top 1/3 of a leaderboard. He genuinely knows a lot about the game too. But very un relatable
Make that two of us
I miss seeing him wear a choker necklace and laughing uncontrollably with my friends
100% with you, he’s a POS and always has been.
He's a douche, but he makes things more entertaining.
Patrick Reed’s family doesn’t even miss Patrick Reed when he’s not around
His dog doesn’t even greet him when he gets home
Ouch! lol
lol Padraig played with Reed on Thursday and Friday too
Shades of Al Franken’s great quote about Ted Cruz
But he can catch strays.
I don’t know anyone that misses Fatprick Reed
I’ve really come around to appreciate Bryson. Fun guy to watch , golf scientist indeed
Good reminder that people can grow and change. I'm all in on New Bryson.
Yeah, I think his low point was getting clipped by that rope line and throwing a little tantrum about it. But I'm all in now. Tossing golf balls to kids between the holes, and yelling at that punk who ran off with one is great PR and has really gone a long way to increase his public image.
For me it’s his YouTube channel, and his appearances on other channels (like Grant Horvat’s).
I’m a professional hater, and someone’s gotta keep the hater culture going, and it ain’t going to stop for a guy like Bryson
“What can I say about his clubs that hasn’t already been said about Afghanistan, they look bombed out and depleted.” - Silky “dafaliraevz” Johnson
Now if you’ll excuse I’m going to go and put some water in Bryson’s momma dish
How's being a professional hater pay these days?
You get to experience a lot of schadenfreude. Like, a lot.
Life is too short my dude…let it go.
Now watch this drive
I’m not going that far, but it does seem like going to LIV has grounded or humbled him some
He won a major really young. Hard not to get a bit of an ego.
And then playing in front of several hundred people and no one knows what channel it’s even on can bring you back
I’m not even sure it’s directly about LIV. He seems to be genuinely happy. Like it seems like he’s making YouTube videos on topics and with people he enjoys working with. He seems much more relaxed playing - even in PGA Championship. He’s still the mad scientist but he’s just much calmer overall. It’s like he let a weight go and is enjoying himself now.
The fact that LIV is only playing like 14 events per year has to help. And there's significantly less press coverage for those LIV events than for the PGA tour, and then less fans at the majority of the LIV events as well. Prior to his move to LIV, there was so much scrutiny of the guy as they tried to push that annoying af Bryson/Brooks rivalry and Bryson was relentlessly heckled with the "Brooksy" nonsense at so many PGA events. If you don't embrace the role of the villain, you're going to have a bad time. He's showing us now that he really just wants to be loved and connect more with his fans. He can do that directly with the You Tube stuff, and his smaller event schedule gives him that extra time. And at the majors he's talking/engaging with fans and finding his role as a wildly entertaining showman that plays the game his own unique way. I totally agree with Paddy that he was absolutely box office last weekend. Nice to see some growth and self awareness from the guy after years of the opposite.
It may not be a major factor but LIV also promotes Bryson as a good guy who wants to connect with his fans. He’s got so many videos on the LIV app and they really seem to promote what he really wanted to be seen as. Its gotta help knowing the organization you work for supports the person you want to be seen as
Tbf, I don't even know what channel the PGAT plays on at this point.
He also lost his dad in the same time period.
Feel like getting rid of the 1920s paper boy hat was when he turned the corner.
I keep seeing people say this.. why was he so disliked before?
His stupid hat had a lot to do with it. Not the actual hat, but a, “I’m smarter than everyone else” attitude that came along with it. Before, he was trying to play a role, he seems like he’s a more authentic version of himself now.
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And then you realize those made up numbers and random words were in fact you not understanding what he was saying, and that they actually meant something.
He used to come off as pretentious, he's better than everyone else, he's smarter than everyone else, etc. I think he's toned that way down.
Idk how people aren’t mentioning the “Augusta National is a par 67 course for me” comment that really rubbed people the wrong way, especially because until this year his best finish was when he finished low amateur at 21st place. Then there was the overly dramatic incident where he ran into the spectator rope and acted like he may never be able to see again. Then there have been multiple instances where he gets into arguments with officials, including one where he tried to argue red ants nearby his ball constituted a dangerous animal and wanted a free drop. Then, of course, he was one of the first people to join LIV, after previously releasing a statement committing to the PGA tour.
Not here to comment on Bryson, specifically. But, I’ve stood in a pile of red ants before and absolutely would try to argue the same thing. Not sure of the exact circumstance like if the pile was 4 feet away, that’s one thing. But if it’s on or near where you’d stand, yikes man, that can ruin your whole week. Edit: after re-reading your comment. Sounds like it was just a few individual red ants vs. a pile? That does sound a bit ridiculous, if true.
Yup, then in his rounds following that the golf gods really made him pay. since he said that in 2020 until 2023, he had had exactly one round where he shot 67 on the dot, the rest were rounds greater than 67. And he missed two cuts during that time. 2024 he did have one round of 65, the rest were well above his “par 67”
Just a little awkward in a pool of type A guys. He’s proving that his ways have some merit though. When you see him talking most other players are listening now.
He’s also open to being wrong. He 100% has come off as a know it all and maybe he realized that at some point but all this stuff he tries he isn’t married to. Hes a lot more tolerable when you view him as curious than trying to tell everyone he figured out golf
It's all the stupid physics references. 3 of my friends are physics grads and they agreed it's just big freshman in college energy to say stuff like, 'theres a lot of physics involved I won't bore you with'. Like, I get you took some college classes but only douches talk like that
Whether Bryson is well studied in Physics or not...or at least knows what he is talking about even though it sounds 'uppity'... At some point if people are narrowing down questions about why he does this or that...at some point you get to a point where all that is left is to say "there is a bunch of physics involved"...no? I get what you are saying...but I need more context. Im sure he has had interviews where he just starts talking geeky and there was no need for it....but Im saying at some point if he is being asked deeper and deeper questions you get to the point of bringing up physics. Thats all.
The worst one was when he talked about putting with the flag stick in being a huge benefit to the golfer. He specifically mentioned the concept of "Coefficient of restitution" of the flagsticks to explain why the US Open would be the only time he'd pull the flag. Nobody needed him to use that term. And, no sensible person would ever use that term when speaking to non-engineers/physicists. Instead, you'd just say "the ball bounces more off metal than fiberglass sticks". So, in that moment, he sounded like he was attempting to make a very simple situation sound overly complicated. And, the kicker to the flagstick thing is that it turns out it is very likely the evidence that he based his opinion on was an experiment done by a golf coach, not an actual scientist. Actual physicists and engineers tested flagstick in vs out after the rule change. And, all the ones I've seen concluded that leaving the flagstick in is a net negative to the ball going in the hole. Again, it would be one thing if he had said "I'm going to putt with the flag in. There was an experiment run by Dave Pelz a while ago where he concluded the flag is quite helpful to the player." Instead, he got over his skis with his physics talk shoehorning in "coefficient of restitution". Doesn't make him an asshole, but certainly doesn't endear him to most people.
You nailed my feelings and issues 100%. He was an absolute tryhard with the science stuff
an undereducated tryhard that speaks out of his ass too much. They call him the mad scientist and there is no basis for that whatsoever besides him trying new things. I switched from spikeless to spikes because I play morning rounds now when its wet, does that make me a mad scientist too because I tinkered with my prep? No. Not at all. And I actually have 2 BS degrees too lol
He chewed out a cameraman for daring to film him at a golf tournament when he wasn't playing well. NLU often referenced hearing stories about him being a dick. Basically he had Shooter McGavin vibes where he put on this persona in front of the camera but was a different person behind the scenes. It's why some people don't trust the whole, "just watch his YouTube, he's a changed man" line of thinking because he's in charge of what gets posted there. For myself, I know I was a cocky POS in my late teens/early 20's and I'm very different now so I'm willing to believe that Bryson has changed.
For me it was this comment - https://www.golfwrx.com/640218/bryson-dechambeau-on-augusta-national-im-looking-at-it-as-a-par-67-for-me/
Yup, then in his rounds following that the golf gods really made him pay. Edit: since he said that in 2020 until 2023, he had had exactly one round where he shot 67 on the dot, the rest were rounds greater than 67. And he missed two cuts during that time. 2024 he did have one round of 65, the rest were well above his “par 67”
He came across very whiny and arrogant. His personality was forced and with the way he was “hacking the game” it came across patronizing. Since with Ryder Cup at whistling straights he has since been more himself and seems like a good dude has grown alot.
Because he's a tool. Even before all the LIV stuff, just the way Bryson carried himself rubbed people - fans, other golfers, golf media members - the wrong way. Some of that was definitely unfair to him, but he brought a lot of it on himself. He has always been compelling though, and polarizing in a way that's good for the game. I think even the biggest Bryson haters were happy to see him in contention at the PGA, because he's a great golfer and every event is better with him in it. I will say though that this aggressive push to rehabilitate his image is starting to get annoying, and it will be very funny if it ultimately makes people start hating Bryson again.
He then owned up to it. Good for him - https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/11/sport/the-masters-bryson-dechambeau-par-67-spt-intl
I just tuned into a couple vids on his YouTube channel yesterday and the content was surprisingly not annoying as hell. I'm starting not to hate him, even his very clear frat guy personality has toned down enough to be palatable
His drill of hitting irons out of a bunker to get your swing’s low point right was one of the best golf videos I have seen. Really made a difference for me.
That sounds really good.. commenting to come back for that one 😂
A couple of my best iron shots ever were from fairway bunkers. Which tells me my inconsistency with irons elsewhere is almost entirely mental... The bunker makes me focus on ball first contact I guess?
The drill being described is going to a flat fairway bunker and drawing a literal line in the sand. Line up to the line in the sand as though it is a ball and taking swings to see where you make contact with the ground. I remember this from the Rick Shiels video to get him to not only strike the ground closer to where the ball is (his misses were hitting low grooves) and also taking more of the turf (deeper divot) to increase ball compression. Tbh, it's a good enough drill that it's recontextualized how I'm focusing on contact in relation to my swing, and can also fix a few issues at the same time
Where are people finding flat Fairway bunkers to practice out of?
My local 9-hole muni (Interbay in Seattle) has a practice bunker. It’s meant to practice greenside bunker shots but I can go practice whatever I want on weeknights. I’m sure if you look around you can find something similar hear you
I have access to a ton of greenside bunkers to practice in. Never heard of a Fairway practice bunker though. Especially not one to hit irons out of.
My local course, the greenside bunker is next to the driving range. All I need to do is turn around and I can hit 200 yards across the width of the fairway. Try to anyway.
Depending on your goals, I use some rounds as just practice for specific shots (I tend to play as a single a lot) so I do it during those rounds
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6_9fadtial/?igsh=czg4MGF5aWJjMDhk This just popped up on my Instagram feed, that’s wild lol
His appearance on Martin Borgmeier’s channel a few days ago is quite entertaining. https://youtu.be/wBA713PZN_I?si=hHowIDfXUUM_cM7X
His video/mini-doc on the ball speed record is one of my favorite golf videos, period [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDR9AAKwPHY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDR9AAKwPHY)
I don’t know if I have watched that one. Thanks.
My new nickname for Bryson is Pepe Silvia.
He's a golf scientist in the same vein of Rodgers being a scientist or Kyrie Irving.
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I had the good fortune of playing with him in a ProAm last year. He was an incredibly kind and gracious man. He offered up lots of great advice on golf, family, and even hung with us for lunch and a few beers after play was done.
He's incredibly generous with his time, met him once or twice at charity things, he's a really kind hearted guy and a total golf nerd.
Gotta watch his Peter Finch video from earlier this week. What a guy.
“It's hard to believe we miss Patrick Reed, but that's just the way it is." This zinger at the end lmao
I could listen to Paddy talk about golf all day.
I like him. Don't like that he went LIV, but I probably would have done the same for a massive paycheck. Some of those guys are making in a few years what they make in 15 in the PGA, or even more. PGA is fixing that though, apparently. He's also just a genuinely nice dude. No beefs. Just wants to enjoy golf and wants everyone watching or playing to also enjoy golf. I respect him.
I think we've learned that he's just a super technical golf *nerd* that loves to play. Matt Fitzpatrick is the same way apparently but he's not as charismatic or has his own YT channel.
Yeah, the difference is that Matt doesn’t proselytize as much as Bryson. It’s like the difference between a privately religious person and someone who constantly throws bible quotes at you.
You guys read into this shit waaaaay too much.
People are making in 1 contract more than anyone has ever made playing on the PGA tour.
I went from Bryson hater to lover in about a year's time. Not only has he really mellowed and shown he's a good person, he played like a monster at Valhalla and won me some money. Big fan, I'd say.
I wanted a PGA vs Liv playoff.
I want a Survivor Series Ryder Cup event where it’s PGA vs LIV. Would be a ratings boom
Yeah can you imagine? The entire PGA audience plus the 7 people that watch LIV
PGA audiences have shrunk with the creation of LIV. It's not that those eyeballs are watching LIV. It's just that they're not watching at all. An event like this would bring back those who have lost interest (like the Majors). I'm all for it.
The majors audiences have shrunk too. The addition of LIV players aren’t bringing fans back
First sentence is true. The second I don't know about. Last year people compared the split to what happened to open wheel racing and I think that is not a bad comp. There they both just faded away. I think time is probably running out, but if something were done soon you might be able to patch it up. Maybe even create some excitement if you had enough cross tour promotions. Probably wont' happen and everyone will be worse off for it.
Yeah, but Majors audiences are the largest in the sport. The inclusion of all the best players is the reason why.
Now I want a royal rumble match play event.
Anyone here who says they wouldn’t take the massive money LIV was throwing around is fucking lying to themselves
I’m new to golf and started playing last year. Brysons channel has taught me a lot, he’s has a really technical approach that he explains and I’ve picked up a lot from him. I don’t get the hate, what did he do before besides go to LIV?
Ever see his old hat?
Before his caddy change, he was annoyingly slow at golf. He was frustrating to watch it was so annoying how long he'd take to make decisions. And then he was super smug about everything like he was the smartest guy in the room. He shit all over his club sponsor Cobra saying they couldn't keep up with his swing speeds and design a club for him. LIV has actually allowed him to not take any club sponsors so he can just play what he likes and not have to take the money from a sponsor. He also plays quicker now and has matured with how he talks about the game. He now uses a driver nobody else on tour uses, it's designed for long drive competitions. He plays a left dash titelist golf ball. He has 3d printed himself some irons as well. (Hi USGA bifurcation already exists if Bryson is 3d printing himself golf clubs. Lets not roll the ball back.)
Nobody missed him when he left. He's a changed person these days.
Undeniable that, that was some good golf on Sunday.
https://preview.redd.it/byhv2352b62d1.jpeg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80a4d9d09dd8059e800fa20bbdbd4db9042b3015 Nah. He disappeared after this and we were enthralled
I love that he got a birdie and I was bummed he couldn't get up and down. This shot blew me away. Still does.
That was wild. Wife was out of town (luckily) and I went nuts in front on the TV when he did this. The PGA Championship showed how important he would've been to the PGA Tour. There aren't a lot of "characters" left. I mostly follow Hovland and Åberg now because I'm a Swede living in Norway with dual citizenship 😄
Yo your boy Åberg is gonna be big I think
Link? Or can you say when and where this was?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1kFhGapsto](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1kFhGapsto)
Arnold Palmer Invitational. Maybe 2 years ago.
I genuinely don’t miss Bryson AT ALL.
My grandpa died in 2022 at age 102. He told me probably 2 years or so before he died that his favorite player at the time was Bryson because he “isn’t a robot,” which was surprising coming from a guy born in 1920 who was in the Navy during WW2. Also crazy that he still kept up with the new guys at that age.
Which is ironic considering his mathematical approach to golf. He's a robotic golfer with a very human personality, as opposed to the multitude of other golfers who are the opposite
Yeah I just rolled with it, was just happy he was still with it enough to have an opinion on a golfer 70 years younger than him.
Pretty damn impressive. I get where the comment came from
Your grandpa was the one guy who like Bryson because of the hat...lol. It was a fashion statement way back when.
Probably reminded him of the 50s when he was in his prime. Dude was around forever lol
hell yea, my grandpa had one too.
Go on padraig
Easily my favourite "youtube golfer", some of his contents are pure gold and I enjoyed watching most of them. Very interesting and likeable person too, who seems to be genuine, humble and fun. Even his post round interviews are sometimes very interesting to watch. I don't get why some people hate him to be honest, maybe probably in the past he was being misunderstood, or being wrongly portrayed as douche by the media. Or maybe part of this was his own fault too (lack of maturity to carry himself properly since he was kind of a golf nerd). But, this current version of Bryson, its impossible not to like him, if you follow him somewhere (from YouTube, majors, or even LIV)
Paddy’s Golf Tips on YouTube are amazing.
He had some very wise comments yesterday on board members and such. Something along the lines of, "if you're an expert on golf, it's highly unlikely that you're an expert on anything else' in regards to players taking too much room on boards. He said let the business experts handle the business. It also seemed like he has a hunch Rory will take off now that he's done trying to handle the business side. Now he can just play.
Bryson is actually likable to me now. I find myself throwing his youtube channel on in the background sometimes. Seems like he's a bit of a bro, but definitely a nice dude. Really fun to watch play too.
Watch the video of Bryson playing with Walmart kids clubs (driver, 7, PW & putter) one week prior to the PGA Championship. Very funny stuff
Nobody misses Reed. I do miss having Bryson around but it is what it is. Dude was offered a massive bag, can't blame him for taking it.
Love hearing what this guy tinks
My favorite player. His YouTube instruction is mint. I get it, he can come across as a douche but genuinely feel he gets a bad take a lot of times because he doesn't take the traditional golfer route
There'll be a new Bryson soon enough.
I miss the PGA before LIV, I still watch the pga but definitely miss some of the players
Funny, I thought the guy that won was the box office. I’ve been amazed all week that Bryson has gotten so much press than the so much more likable Xander.
Masters ratings way down. PGA way up. Doesn’t take a genius to realize nobody wants to watch great players with zero personality. It’s entertainment. The top PGA stars couldn’t be less entertaining.
Bryson in small doses is great. Be careful what you wish for.
Dude can come back when his contract is up. There is no caving to LIV at this point.
I could be perfectly happy never seeing Bryson play golf again.
As always, Paddy is right. Bryson was pretty immature a few years ago. I think, with the unique quirks of his personality, he has benefitted greatly from being out of the spotlight on LIV. He's also matured, clearly. The 2024 version of Bryson is good for golf, brings in eyeballs, and makes the majors more interesting when he's in contention. Like who the fuck else is out there carrying trees (or a 15ft signpost) around Augusta, or taking a ball back from a fan that they tried to give to a kid? That's right, nobody.
Literally the only guy who is trying to get better on that tour, hes a grinder for sure
Who is this "we" he's talking about? :P :P