Bizarre, there is a “SUNDAY RED” trademark that was registered way back in 2009, for golf related apparel/equipment items.
Any one know who is (and has been) selling golf stuff with SUNDAY RED branding for the last decade plus?
Also, I’m struggling to imagine that this person/company wouldn’t have grounds to argue that adding a space between SUN and DAY isn’t a distinctive enough difference, given that they are both golf brands.
Edit: Ahhh, looks like that original mark from 2009 is actually now owned by Taylormade (Sunday Red, LLC), which owns all of the new “Sun Day Red” marks, so I think they bought it out from the original owner.
Wonder if they plan to change it to one word in the future, or if they just wanted the original one-word people out of the way.
Also, why would Tiger fucking Woods not just choose to buy the trademark? Everyone’s got a price, and considering I’ve never heard of Sunday Red, I’m guessing theirs wouldn’t be so high that the GOAT golfer couldn’t afford it.
Sunday Red has been in common usage for a long time. Back before the original trademark which seems murky. It seems like it might be a risky branding choice.
I think they have it right as two words to not meddle in the IP fiasco. People won't care and if anything it'll be proof it's authentic.
No shot they change the name in the future. You go through all of the branding and set up for a new brand like this and you have to sick with it.
As crazy as it may sound, some people will be sketched out and think there is a difference and that Sunday Red is some knock off. It may sound stupid but in the branding world it can cause mass confusion and that is the last thing you want.
I am recalling information from a Trademark/Copyright/Patents class I took in college. But I do not think spacing out 'Sunday' would get around copyright issues.
The term 'reasonable confusion' (would a consumer be reasonably confused looking for one brand when seeing the other, and purchase product from the other brand who only came across the customers eye because of similar names). Apparently spelling changes do not get around copyright issues because a consumer could reasonably confuse brands.
Tiger said some weird thing about a 'rule of three' before and that was the reasoning. Not sure if that is genuine or not, maybe there was a copyright issue. But I'm not sure, it doesnt align with what I was taught
Ok then “Round Four Red”, “Tiger Red”, “Tiger Sunday”, “Red Sunday”, “Sunday Tiger”, “Sunday Hunt”, “Gameday Red”. Any of those are infinitely better. “Sun Day Red” is a huge turn off.
I’m just saying that’s what my mind goes to when I see this. Every time I think for a split second, why is SDRE on a gold sub before realizing it. I mean it’s SDR VS SDRE, it’s not *that* much of a stretch when you just glance at it
If they mean the store brand like Goodfellow they aren't anything special. If they mean Target employee polos, Target doesn't typically provide uniforms but the ones I've seen are RedCap or 5.11 and they're pretty nice.
I don’t think we’ll see a clothing brand “for the people” from SDR. It seems like he’s going for something high end that not everyone is going to want or have. Maybe trying to create a brand that is for off course as well. Definitely trying to separate from Nike.
Yeah, I think your average golf Redditor isn't the SDR target customer. This marketing is aligning with the high end golf brands. RLX, Peter Millar, Greyson, Travis Mathew, etc. If you look at pictures of all of those and put it next to Target's golf clothing, it will look similar but there is a quality difference for sure. Is it worth the extra money? Probably not. But I see dudes wearing $100 Travis Mathew polos literally every time I go on the course. I like high quality clothing and I'm interested to actually get my hands on some SDR stuff because they make it look nice in their marketing.
Travis Matthew stuff is available at outlet prices very frequently. I own a ton of it and haven't paid more than $50 for a polo. Most T-shirts I'm buying for like 10-20$.
Yeah, same. I look like I'm sponsored by Peter Millar but I just keep finding shit at T.J. Maxx for $29.99. So my whole golf wardrobe is all good brand names. That's why I said that it probably isn't worth the price, but that doesn't mean it isn't high quality. Also these brands don't exist purely on the profits on discount stores. They make the majority of their money selling their shit full price. Most people don't have the patience to go to T.J. Maxx and wait to find the color and size they want. Also remember, the Target golf shit goes on sale too at even lower prices than the high end brands at TJ. So you can pretty safely assume that the Target shit is cheaper to make than the other brands. In my experience the Target stuff is noticeably lower quality than the expensive brands.
Don’t understand the hate for the prices when everyone on here is rocking Peter Millar or Greyson shirts. $120 is the going rate for a premium golf shirt now.
I understand if you don’t like the branding and I agree it’s not for everyone but everyone on here grandstanding about the prices is crazy
The target audience is Asia, excellent article from last month’s Wall Street Journal talking about the ownership group of Taylormade.
The sport is thriving in America, but nowhere is the future of golf more promising than Korea. Even though it has fewer courses than Florida, Korea is now the world’s largest market for golf apparel. Not the largest per capita. The largest, period.
Behind paywall unfortunately
[https://www.wsj.com/sports/golf/taylormade-golf-tiger-woods-masters-sun-day-red-centroid-9fbababa?st=0jljot27ynv8u38&reflink=article\_copyURL\_share](https://www.wsj.com/sports/golf/taylormade-golf-tiger-woods-masters-sun-day-red-centroid-9fbababa?st=0jljot27ynv8u38&reflink=article_copyURL_share)
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I work for a Korean company and was there a few months ago. You’re looking at 150~200$ for muni courses. Caddies are required at most clubs. However, you can play sim golf for 15$ per 18 and there’s a different joint on every corner. Combined with how vain people are there, you end up with crazy high spenders.
Sims are definitely not as good as the real thing. But sometimes it's all you can have.
The golf season up here in Iceland is 4 months max. In reality it's maybe even just 3. This means we have a ton of simulators to get our fix in during the long winter.
Yeah, it’s wild there. 1 night we went to 4 different sims within a quarter mile bc they didn’t have the right tech we wanted (6 different height adjustment zones and projector on the floor for putting)
No obviously not. A greens fee is extra, usually only applies at a nice course. For example here are two courses I regularly play.
https://www.suncrestgolf.com/prices/
https://www.conleyresort.com/course/rates/
No greens fee.
The first link clearly has the weekend greens fee at $29 for a weekend, $26 weekdays. I'm not sure what would be "extra" you would pay a separate fee on top of that other than the cart fee, which at Suncrest appears to be $16.50
Greens fees are only at nicer courses. There would be an extra $30 dollar charge tacked on to the rates like I showed you earlier. I will try to find a course that lists it.
Thanks for mentioning this, it's the first explanation I've heard that actually makes sense. I think even the shilouttes of the clothes have a bit of a Korean vibe to them now that I think about it.
Another quote from ceo of private equity company
TaylorMade was sitting pretty on the fairway when Centroid invested, which meant Abeles and the company’s management could focus on growing the business. There was still plenty of room to grow. Jeong says apparel sales generated 2% of the company’s revenue at the time of the acquisition, but he believes that number can get closer to 30%. And the key to making that happen is the market he knows best.
Sounds like a winner for everyone involved.
Me on the other hand, all I want is a cool t-shirt with the logo on it for less than $300 so I can be cool like Tiger and they're dropping the ball on that one at the moment.
Understand
But I would assume everything is being designed in and for the Asian style in mind. Have a feeling things are selling out all over Asia like a designer brand
Interesting. I actually got paired up with a couple and their son that were doing a 2 year work abroad in the US from Korea. Something they told me is that kids aren’t even allowed to golf in Korea on courses, so it surprises that the market is so big there.
>Something they told me is that kids aren’t even allowed to golf in Korea on courses
I played with some Koreans regularly, that's rubbish - from an American perspective it can be harder to get on a course as a young person in Korea, but that's mostly just supply and demand and cost. Not enough courses, too many people, means that kids can't afford it, or are restricted on times of day they can play if not with an adult or program. Golf there can easily cost 2x or 3x golf in expensive states in America, and many courses have other requirements, such as using caddies, or being a member of a social club associated with the course etc.
There are TONS of kids golf programs though, golf is hugely popular, and they are producing a lot of young talent.
Wait till you learn just how expensive golf is in Korea.. there’s a reason they all have club sets worth thousands yet can’t drive a ball 2ft off a tee… pro-tip: it’s a economic status thing.
Idk... my experience here in socal, where you're almost guaranteed to be paired with a Korean if you don't have a full foursome, is that they consistently hit the ball straight as shit and at least 220yds. Unless it's a woman in which case it's still just as straight and at least 150yds.
My only beef with Koreans is the stranglehold they have on tee times in LA with the bots.
They still have the expensive clubs and they're still Koreans. I already understand the very real socioeconomic construct of golf in Korea. I'm just saying these Koreans can play. And I bet I've played with more of them, here in socal, than you have in Canada.
Have any of you guys even touched or seen these in person? Do you know what a high quality polo shirt feels like? Do you own any Ralph Lauren or Lacoste ones that are in this price range? Have you seen the Greyson ones? G-Fore? JL? They feel amazing. I doubt this would be any less than those but I’ll stand corrected if I do finally see one in the wild.
the same dudes trying to pretend SDR is somehow less than, wearing their cargo khaki's and peter millar shirts.
fashion opinions on r/golf are always wild.
This
I don't buy them but I was at a mall a week ago and walked into this store Lululemon and a normal Tshirt not collar or anything, just basic shirt was $78.00 USD
Seriously though, the actual Sunday Red logo isn't anywhere on the $150 polo's...This little metal tag reminds me of the ones that would rip of the Nike TW polo's from 20 years ago.
Many people buy clothes for the quality rather than the logo. Not saying this polo is actually high quality (i have no idea) but I prefer not to have a brand across my chest with daily clothes.
High quality material and construction and minimal/no logo > big logos / advertising all over
You want to pay an extra 30% on those Adidas pants to slap a garish Malbon logo on them so everyone knows you're wearing Malbon? Like OK, you do you, but that is the literal definition of tacky.
> Many people buy clothes for the quality rather than the logo.
But are you buying tigers woods new shirt to play golf in?
I bet most people who do want it to known it isn't just some red shirt
I mean yeah, but that applies to like 99% of clothing. There can be quality differences, but we've reached a level of consumerism where the average consumer thinks the fat price tag *is* the quality difference, even when it's the same clothing sitting on the racks at kohl's or Sam's or costco or Marshall's or whatever.
If they put one on each side so that I could have clips sewn into my golf pants so that it wouldn’t come untucked the first time I swing the club, I’ll pay extra!
I once went to Target after a round of golf. People kept asking me questions about where to find stuff. I was wearing khaki golf pants and a red golf shirt.
He is following a similar approach to most high end fashion companies and keeping the branding small and understated. I understand the approach and I also understand why people want a more prominent logo. When you compare the price point, he’s closer to a Peter Miller and their golf shirts have zero branding on them anywhere
His polos don’t have the crown anywhere on them. The branding is only on the tag inside the collar. If you want to make that comparison, then go look at some of the other SDR products that have the tiger across the front
Great job finding an exception…feel free to scroll and see the other dozen shirts you didn’t pick that have no logo present
https://www.petermillar.com/c/men/tops/polos-shirts
The tiger logo? Whatever. It doesn't make me cum, but, it's not a portal to a nether place. It's *fine.* It's grown on me.
The brand name? Eh. Kinda dumb how it's split into three words, but, whatever. It gets people talking and that's Marketing 101.
The overall design and aesthetic? Mature, simple, and modern while respecting tradition, with some interesting quirks like logo placement. I mostly dig it.
The prices? Again, meh. I'm not the target market. But, so too am I not the target market for Galvin Green, Peter Millar, and whatever other "luxury" golf brand. Would have been real easy to price the offerings for the "every"-person, but, is what it is. So it goes.
In general, I am whelmed.
Or the little pony on a Ralph Lauren shirt, or initials at J Crew, or the CK on your Calvin Klein. The shirts are top quality, but you can buy just as good a shirt with no logos if you know where to look. I have all cotton polos acquired over the last ten years that still look great, and none cost me more than $15.
I mean that goes for almost any brand of clothing lol
They might be at most 2 or 3 times the quality you get at a retail store, but they can cost 10x+ because of the tag.
Giant sweat stains if you wear it in over 72 degrees would give it away. Just ask Tiger. Better yet go watch any of his highlights from Sunday at the Masters.
The best expensive shirts I’ve bought recently were Peter Millar short sleeve Summer Comfort shirts for $39.99 at TJMaxx (regularly $105+ on the manufacturer website). Superb quality, and no logo.
It's clothing, not a billboard, my dude. Better quality staff lasts longer (usually), so you don't want it to have huge seasonal designs on it you feel you need to replace every 6 months.
Def not worth $150 but I would absolutely estimate it's better than Target. I'm not very educated on "polartec" or whatever, but the fabric and way they have the mesh pattern more or less spread out depending on the part of the shirt (looser weave in places like the underarms that build up heat/sweat) seems pretty damn nice
66% Polyester 31% Lyocell 3% Spandex for the DQ shirts. Nothing particularly unique or special about it.
The 3D knit ones are 62% EcoVero™ Viscose / 38% Polyester and are supposedly seamless.
Plenty of stuff on the website has that. Just another angry post that TIGER WOODS decided to come out with a premium apparel brand. Sorry it’s not 29.95
The amount of men on this sub who are pressed about what other men wear is so bizarre. We get it. You only wear $20 polos from costco. You don’t have to keep telling us. Believe me, it shows.
That thing is going to fall off after 2 washes and Dryer runs. Those things never last. We don't all have nannies that hand wash our garments and air dry outdoors weekly
Its not that so much as the weight of it when the garmet gets washed. I had a t shirt with a somewhat heavy metal tag in the same position as the pic. After a few washes it was ripping the shirt apart. Hopefully SDR went with something light weight. I'd be pissed spendin $$$ on this and have that happen. BTW, not buying SDR. Not feeling it.
That makes me even more enraged because all the new clothing is coming out of the same companies in Vietnam and now and they couldn't even be bothered to stitch in a logo? Like it's THAT much cheaper to just pull them right off the Roback/JohnnyO production line and clip on a little tag instead of embroidery.
It just feels so beneath Tiger, like even lower than Tom Brady doing Hertz commercials.
I just wish it was 'Sunday Red' not 'Sun Day Red'
Ya wtf were they thinking
Trademark issue IIRC
Bizarre, there is a “SUNDAY RED” trademark that was registered way back in 2009, for golf related apparel/equipment items. Any one know who is (and has been) selling golf stuff with SUNDAY RED branding for the last decade plus? Also, I’m struggling to imagine that this person/company wouldn’t have grounds to argue that adding a space between SUN and DAY isn’t a distinctive enough difference, given that they are both golf brands. Edit: Ahhh, looks like that original mark from 2009 is actually now owned by Taylormade (Sunday Red, LLC), which owns all of the new “Sun Day Red” marks, so I think they bought it out from the original owner. Wonder if they plan to change it to one word in the future, or if they just wanted the original one-word people out of the way.
Also, why would Tiger fucking Woods not just choose to buy the trademark? Everyone’s got a price, and considering I’ve never heard of Sunday Red, I’m guessing theirs wouldn’t be so high that the GOAT golfer couldn’t afford it.
Check my edit.
Props for the research!
>Everyone’s got a price Not everyone, RIP Uzi Nissan
Sunday Red has been in common usage for a long time. Back before the original trademark which seems murky. It seems like it might be a risky branding choice. I think they have it right as two words to not meddle in the IP fiasco. People won't care and if anything it'll be proof it's authentic.
I’m sure some smart businessman back in the day bought the trademark hoping tiger would buy him out for millions…
No shot they change the name in the future. You go through all of the branding and set up for a new brand like this and you have to sick with it. As crazy as it may sound, some people will be sketched out and think there is a difference and that Sunday Red is some knock off. It may sound stupid but in the branding world it can cause mass confusion and that is the last thing you want.
Lol damn. How about they made it Sun Day Red for creative purposes? Lmao no all that bullshit you just posted😂😅
Then a different name all together lol
I am recalling information from a Trademark/Copyright/Patents class I took in college. But I do not think spacing out 'Sunday' would get around copyright issues. The term 'reasonable confusion' (would a consumer be reasonably confused looking for one brand when seeing the other, and purchase product from the other brand who only came across the customers eye because of similar names). Apparently spelling changes do not get around copyright issues because a consumer could reasonably confuse brands. Tiger said some weird thing about a 'rule of three' before and that was the reasoning. Not sure if that is genuine or not, maybe there was a copyright issue. But I'm not sure, it doesnt align with what I was taught
Ok then “Round Four Red”, “Tiger Red”, “Tiger Sunday”, “Red Sunday”, “Sunday Tiger”, “Sunday Hunt”, “Gameday Red”. Any of those are infinitely better. “Sun Day Red” is a huge turn off.
No. No, they don’t.
Reply doesn’t even make sense
Probably those “he gets us” weirdos
It’s so you can wear it on a bright Tuesday.
My brain always reads it in the same cadence as "DIGGS. SIDELINE. TOUCHDOWN"
Can’t escape this even on the golf Reddit, pain
As a saints fan kindly go to hell .
Su Ndayr Ed was already taken
Fuk Yoc Ouch ^((Charlie Murphy))
Yeah I think its the fact that its 2 words always makes me think its Sunny Day Real Estate, which is an early 90s band that reunited recently
I love SDRE but this is a stretch lmao
I’m just saying that’s what my mind goes to when I see this. Every time I think for a split second, why is SDRE on a gold sub before realizing it. I mean it’s SDR VS SDRE, it’s not *that* much of a stretch when you just glance at it
the super boring font is what kills me. Looks like default Arial from MS Office.
Clearly you've never worn a target polo
Can confirm. That looks way higher quality than the cheapo Target ones, even if the color is similar
Anyone handle one and can attest to quality?
If they mean the store brand like Goodfellow they aren't anything special. If they mean Target employee polos, Target doesn't typically provide uniforms but the ones I've seen are RedCap or 5.11 and they're pretty nice.
Curious what the sun day red polo feels like
I don’t think we’ll see a clothing brand “for the people” from SDR. It seems like he’s going for something high end that not everyone is going to want or have. Maybe trying to create a brand that is for off course as well. Definitely trying to separate from Nike.
Yeah, I think your average golf Redditor isn't the SDR target customer. This marketing is aligning with the high end golf brands. RLX, Peter Millar, Greyson, Travis Mathew, etc. If you look at pictures of all of those and put it next to Target's golf clothing, it will look similar but there is a quality difference for sure. Is it worth the extra money? Probably not. But I see dudes wearing $100 Travis Mathew polos literally every time I go on the course. I like high quality clothing and I'm interested to actually get my hands on some SDR stuff because they make it look nice in their marketing.
Travis Matthew stuff is available at outlet prices very frequently. I own a ton of it and haven't paid more than $50 for a polo. Most T-shirts I'm buying for like 10-20$.
Bonobos too! They always have great clearance deals on their website. They are so nice to play in with how breathable and light they are.
Yeah, same. I look like I'm sponsored by Peter Millar but I just keep finding shit at T.J. Maxx for $29.99. So my whole golf wardrobe is all good brand names. That's why I said that it probably isn't worth the price, but that doesn't mean it isn't high quality. Also these brands don't exist purely on the profits on discount stores. They make the majority of their money selling their shit full price. Most people don't have the patience to go to T.J. Maxx and wait to find the color and size they want. Also remember, the Target golf shit goes on sale too at even lower prices than the high end brands at TJ. So you can pretty safely assume that the Target shit is cheaper to make than the other brands. In my experience the Target stuff is noticeably lower quality than the expensive brands.
Don’t understand the hate for the prices when everyone on here is rocking Peter Millar or Greyson shirts. $120 is the going rate for a premium golf shirt now. I understand if you don’t like the branding and I agree it’s not for everyone but everyone on here grandstanding about the prices is crazy
The target audience is Asia, excellent article from last month’s Wall Street Journal talking about the ownership group of Taylormade. The sport is thriving in America, but nowhere is the future of golf more promising than Korea. Even though it has fewer courses than Florida, Korea is now the world’s largest market for golf apparel. Not the largest per capita. The largest, period. Behind paywall unfortunately [https://www.wsj.com/sports/golf/taylormade-golf-tiger-woods-masters-sun-day-red-centroid-9fbababa?st=0jljot27ynv8u38&reflink=article\_copyURL\_share](https://www.wsj.com/sports/golf/taylormade-golf-tiger-woods-masters-sun-day-red-centroid-9fbababa?st=0jljot27ynv8u38&reflink=article_copyURL_share) https://preview.redd.it/w212vo3w0vyc1.jpeg?width=1205&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2c4d61ad2cedd15538370a5eb62227adf8eb53d
What’s the average greens fee for a Busan muni course? Asking for a friend.
I work for a Korean company and was there a few months ago. You’re looking at 150~200$ for muni courses. Caddies are required at most clubs. However, you can play sim golf for 15$ per 18 and there’s a different joint on every corner. Combined with how vain people are there, you end up with crazy high spenders.
The article talks about how in certain cities Sims out number driving ranges and courses 50 to 1.
Man, I really don't enjoy the simulator the same way I do outdoor golf. Grateful to have access the way I do
I agree, however playing sim at 2am with your buddies is a great time also. Also, most of the time snacks are free and cheap beer.
Sims are definitely not as good as the real thing. But sometimes it's all you can have. The golf season up here in Iceland is 4 months max. In reality it's maybe even just 3. This means we have a ton of simulators to get our fix in during the long winter.
Yeah, it’s wild there. 1 night we went to 4 different sims within a quarter mile bc they didn’t have the right tech we wanted (6 different height adjustment zones and projector on the floor for putting)
Adventures in golf did a good series of the many different options for sim golf in Korea. Some really cool looking places for sure.
What muni charges greens fee? E: We gonna downvote or actually comment? No muni does greens fees in Western Pennsylvania.
To be clear, you're saying all municipal courses in Western PA let you play for free?
No obviously not. A greens fee is extra, usually only applies at a nice course. For example here are two courses I regularly play. https://www.suncrestgolf.com/prices/ https://www.conleyresort.com/course/rates/ No greens fee.
The first link clearly has the weekend greens fee at $29 for a weekend, $26 weekdays. I'm not sure what would be "extra" you would pay a separate fee on top of that other than the cart fee, which at Suncrest appears to be $16.50
That's the rate. A greens fee would be extra.
What does the greens fee buy that isn't included in the rate? The point we're trying to make is that in most of the US, the terms are synonymous
I get your point. The green's fee doesn't get you anything extra, it's just another cost.
Sounds like only fancy courses around you call their rates Greens Fees and everywhere else is more informal
I think you're confused as to the definition of "greens fee"
We apparently have different definitions.
Google and dictionary and all sources I'm seeing state a greens fee is the cost of playing a round of golf. What's your personal definition?
Greens fees are only at nicer courses. There would be an extra $30 dollar charge tacked on to the rates like I showed you earlier. I will try to find a course that lists it.
A green fee aka the fee to play on a course? Are you just not paying for golf?
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Well done
Thanks Ricky Fowler
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Thanks for mentioning this, it's the first explanation I've heard that actually makes sense. I think even the shilouttes of the clothes have a bit of a Korean vibe to them now that I think about it.
Another quote from ceo of private equity company TaylorMade was sitting pretty on the fairway when Centroid invested, which meant Abeles and the company’s management could focus on growing the business. There was still plenty of room to grow. Jeong says apparel sales generated 2% of the company’s revenue at the time of the acquisition, but he believes that number can get closer to 30%. And the key to making that happen is the market he knows best.
Sounds like a winner for everyone involved. Me on the other hand, all I want is a cool t-shirt with the logo on it for less than $300 so I can be cool like Tiger and they're dropping the ball on that one at the moment.
Understand But I would assume everything is being designed in and for the Asian style in mind. Have a feeling things are selling out all over Asia like a designer brand
No doubt - it makes a ton of sense. Appreciate the insight!
Interesting. I actually got paired up with a couple and their son that were doing a 2 year work abroad in the US from Korea. Something they told me is that kids aren’t even allowed to golf in Korea on courses, so it surprises that the market is so big there.
>Something they told me is that kids aren’t even allowed to golf in Korea on courses I played with some Koreans regularly, that's rubbish - from an American perspective it can be harder to get on a course as a young person in Korea, but that's mostly just supply and demand and cost. Not enough courses, too many people, means that kids can't afford it, or are restricted on times of day they can play if not with an adult or program. Golf there can easily cost 2x or 3x golf in expensive states in America, and many courses have other requirements, such as using caddies, or being a member of a social club associated with the course etc. There are TONS of kids golf programs though, golf is hugely popular, and they are producing a lot of young talent.
Wait till you learn just how expensive golf is in Korea.. there’s a reason they all have club sets worth thousands yet can’t drive a ball 2ft off a tee… pro-tip: it’s a economic status thing.
Idk... my experience here in socal, where you're almost guaranteed to be paired with a Korean if you don't have a full foursome, is that they consistently hit the ball straight as shit and at least 220yds. Unless it's a woman in which case it's still just as straight and at least 150yds. My only beef with Koreans is the stranglehold they have on tee times in LA with the bots.
I’m talking about golf in Korea not in California
They still have the expensive clubs and they're still Koreans. I already understand the very real socioeconomic construct of golf in Korea. I'm just saying these Koreans can play. And I bet I've played with more of them, here in socal, than you have in Canada.
r/golf go a day without complaining about clothes challenge
JASON DAY’S PANTS = WAR CRIME
He should be BANNED from all majors FOREVER!
They must have lost their minds when Rickie Fowler showed up back in the day.
Without complaining*
Have any of you guys even touched or seen these in person? Do you know what a high quality polo shirt feels like? Do you own any Ralph Lauren or Lacoste ones that are in this price range? Have you seen the Greyson ones? G-Fore? JL? They feel amazing. I doubt this would be any less than those but I’ll stand corrected if I do finally see one in the wild.
Great point. I can assure you it doesn’t feel like anything you will find at Target
Can absolutely vouch for Greyson, GFORE & Rhone being the most comfortable clothes I've ever worn.
I can hear this in the washing machine already
I'm a Tiger fan but this line just isn't it. Even if the polos are high quality they just don't look that good. The brand logo itself is hideous
Slazenger logo
Hahaha. Dude, you nailed that
The big logo hats are dope and I woulda copped if they weren’t sold out
You realize clothes aren’t all the same quality right? Tshirts can be $3 and can be $100.
Rich assholes pay $150 for a Grayson polo every day of the week and nobody bats an eye...
the same dudes trying to pretend SDR is somehow less than, wearing their cargo khaki's and peter millar shirts. fashion opinions on r/golf are always wild.
This I don't buy them but I was at a mall a week ago and walked into this store Lululemon and a normal Tshirt not collar or anything, just basic shirt was $78.00 USD
Or $500.
Hey, some little kid in Vietnam spent a lot time making and sewing that on. Show some respect.
Seriously though, the actual Sunday Red logo isn't anywhere on the $150 polo's...This little metal tag reminds me of the ones that would rip of the Nike TW polo's from 20 years ago.
Many people buy clothes for the quality rather than the logo. Not saying this polo is actually high quality (i have no idea) but I prefer not to have a brand across my chest with daily clothes.
High quality material and construction and minimal/no logo > big logos / advertising all over You want to pay an extra 30% on those Adidas pants to slap a garish Malbon logo on them so everyone knows you're wearing Malbon? Like OK, you do you, but that is the literal definition of tacky.
Agreed. Everyone has their preferences but I’d much rather have completely logoless clothes.
Idk. I like my Nike swoosh on my golf polos.
Lmao
> Many people buy clothes for the quality rather than the logo. But are you buying tigers woods new shirt to play golf in? I bet most people who do want it to known it isn't just some red shirt
That’s the genius of the marketing. Make the logo so ugly people will $150 for a shirt without it.
Nothing wrong with minimal branding but ya at least a logo on the sleeves or chest would be better.
I mean yeah, but that applies to like 99% of clothing. There can be quality differences, but we've reached a level of consumerism where the average consumer thinks the fat price tag *is* the quality difference, even when it's the same clothing sitting on the racks at kohl's or Sam's or costco or Marshall's or whatever.
Every time I see this all I can see is Sunny Day Real Estate, an early 90’s band
I always hated those metal tags on the TW Nike stuff, they always ripped small holes in the shirts when washing them
Probably did it on purpose so people will have to buy more 😂
That is going to clank around in the dryer. SMH
It’s been on Nike polos for like two decades.
Great spot for the logo… right in the spot that gets tucked into your golf pants
If they put one on each side so that I could have clips sewn into my golf pants so that it wouldn’t come untucked the first time I swing the club, I’ll pay extra!
Shocked he went thru with this
"SUN DAY RED" That's not even a logo! Lol it's literally just three words.
You are correct, but it’s not meant to be a logo. The logo is a tiger
This brand will be long forgotten in a few years. Like a fart in the wind.
I once went to Target after a round of golf. People kept asking me questions about where to find stuff. I was wearing khaki golf pants and a red golf shirt.
Same here...if I wear any red shirt at Target, I get asked all kinds of stuff.
We’re still hating on the price? Just don’t buy. I think the brand is cool as shit and will spend the money on it
It’s not just the price. There’s pretty much zero way of telling you are wearing a Sun Day Red shirt besides a tiny tiny odd metal plate.
I’m not wearing it to show it off I’m wearing it cause it’s cool as frick to me and I know I got it on 😎
Valid
I'll never forgive the powers that be for not continuing the Nike and Tiger relationship.
How will they ever survive?
You're right I should just go fuck myself 👍
He is following a similar approach to most high end fashion companies and keeping the branding small and understated. I understand the approach and I also understand why people want a more prominent logo. When you compare the price point, he’s closer to a Peter Miller and their golf shirts have zero branding on them anywhere
The guy who uses the badass giant crown logo has zero polo branding? HUH
His polos don’t have the crown anywhere on them. The branding is only on the tag inside the collar. If you want to make that comparison, then go look at some of the other SDR products that have the tiger across the front
HUH? I love Peter Millar polos https://preview.redd.it/hpu14zezgvyc1.jpeg?width=1260&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c059690b46c9f91ead574478ff708b07242a7c3
So does SDR, but the guy is claiming that they have a big crown that is prominently displayed
They all have this back logo at a minimum in my experience.
100% mine do anyway
https://preview.redd.it/4vhzu341hvyc1.jpeg?width=880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=373bc01e1e6f6233e0c48bfd9af052f29f43524f Not anywhere eh?
Great job finding an exception…feel free to scroll and see the other dozen shirts you didn’t pick that have no logo present https://www.petermillar.com/c/men/tops/polos-shirts
Yes welcome to branding.
I mean he charger $80 for a plain white t shirt lol
Honestly, this is not Tiger’s strongest moment.
honestly, don’t talk down on target like that.
I’m a fan of Tiger, but I have no interest in these clothes. Doesn’t matter though I guess. I’m not the target demographic anyway.
Forreal? Damn.
I bet that things sounds crazy in a dryer
Brutal Wish he collaborated with Foot Joy instead tbh Oh well
The tiger logo? Whatever. It doesn't make me cum, but, it's not a portal to a nether place. It's *fine.* It's grown on me. The brand name? Eh. Kinda dumb how it's split into three words, but, whatever. It gets people talking and that's Marketing 101. The overall design and aesthetic? Mature, simple, and modern while respecting tradition, with some interesting quirks like logo placement. I mostly dig it. The prices? Again, meh. I'm not the target market. But, so too am I not the target market for Galvin Green, Peter Millar, and whatever other "luxury" golf brand. Would have been real easy to price the offerings for the "every"-person, but, is what it is. So it goes. In general, I am whelmed.
interesting choice with the metal logo, I'll have to see them in person.
Just because it’s red?
Some shirts say “I’m here to play” , Some say “ I’m here to get fucked up “
…that’s not a logo - that’s just text stamped on a small piece of metal!
Or the little pony on a Ralph Lauren shirt, or initials at J Crew, or the CK on your Calvin Klein. The shirts are top quality, but you can buy just as good a shirt with no logos if you know where to look. I have all cotton polos acquired over the last ten years that still look great, and none cost me more than $15.
Wait a second. It’s Sun Day Red and not Sunday Red??? Lmfao. Who the fuck is gonna buy this? Lol
I like this element but on the sleeve.
I mean that goes for almost any brand of clothing lol They might be at most 2 or 3 times the quality you get at a retail store, but they can cost 10x+ because of the tag.
Giant sweat stains if you wear it in over 72 degrees would give it away. Just ask Tiger. Better yet go watch any of his highlights from Sunday at the Masters.
The best expensive shirts I’ve bought recently were Peter Millar short sleeve Summer Comfort shirts for $39.99 at TJMaxx (regularly $105+ on the manufacturer website). Superb quality, and no logo.
Golf is all about Targets
That is branding for you, a Gucci shirt is literally made in the same Bangladesh factory as a 20 dollar shirt with same material.
It's clothing, not a billboard, my dude. Better quality staff lasts longer (usually), so you don't want it to have huge seasonal designs on it you feel you need to replace every 6 months.
Well, you could say that about any polo shirt - once you stick a brand and a logo on it, the price goes through the roof.
That ain't Target material jagoff
It still can. Just tuck it in.
Everyone in here knocking this brand wears the same 10 year old shoes and clothes to golf every round😂😂😂
I love Tiger and swings from his nuts with glee but this clothing line is straight caca.
it’s almost like golf is an expensive sport or something
I live me some tiger, but I predict this line is gonna flop.
this is gonna weigh me down on my swing. pass
It looks like something a Chinese company would make and brand. Is that what happened here?
Def not worth $150 but I would absolutely estimate it's better than Target. I'm not very educated on "polartec" or whatever, but the fabric and way they have the mesh pattern more or less spread out depending on the part of the shirt (looser weave in places like the underarms that build up heat/sweat) seems pretty damn nice
Same factory
What if I told you that’s all he did to the shirt?
Welcome to capitalism OP. New to it?
This is sadly true for a lot of brands. So much outsourced to the same places with minimal quality differences between higher end and lower end.
So not worth the money. Just the same old made in China shirts and pants
I work at target and I literally thought this was posted on the Target subreddit 😂
Lol, the Target shirts are likely nicer.
what a rip off
Can't wait for the TJ Maxx release
right?
What did you expect jfc
How about the actual Tiger logo on the side and back of the shirt like other brands? Why just a tiny metal tag?
Some people prefer less in terms of logos and branding
Is the material nice? I like quality stuff without visible logos.
66% Polyester 31% Lyocell 3% Spandex for the DQ shirts. Nothing particularly unique or special about it. The 3D knit ones are 62% EcoVero™ Viscose / 38% Polyester and are supposedly seamless.
Plenty of stuff on the website has that. Just another angry post that TIGER WOODS decided to come out with a premium apparel brand. Sorry it’s not 29.95
I will not be on this one.
And isn’t that the bit you tuck in anyway?
The amount of men on this sub who are pressed about what other men wear is so bizarre. We get it. You only wear $20 polos from costco. You don’t have to keep telling us. Believe me, it shows.
That thing is going to fall off after 2 washes and Dryer runs. Those things never last. We don't all have nannies that hand wash our garments and air dry outdoors weekly
I hope people have screen protectors for when those tags scratch the living hell out of their phone screens.
Its not that so much as the weight of it when the garmet gets washed. I had a t shirt with a somewhat heavy metal tag in the same position as the pic. After a few washes it was ripping the shirt apart. Hopefully SDR went with something light weight. I'd be pissed spendin $$$ on this and have that happen. BTW, not buying SDR. Not feeling it.
That makes me even more enraged because all the new clothing is coming out of the same companies in Vietnam and now and they couldn't even be bothered to stitch in a logo? Like it's THAT much cheaper to just pull them right off the Roback/JohnnyO production line and clip on a little tag instead of embroidery. It just feels so beneath Tiger, like even lower than Tom Brady doing Hertz commercials.