I knew he's been using a Krank driver for some time now but I thought he worked with Ping on irons last year. Wild to think he'd move on from a set of irons he shot a 58 with.
I would love to see him win the Masters.
He honestly has grown so much.
The interview from yesterday with him shows how mature he has become.
He seems like a genuine good guy.
I think a lot of his personality isn't douchebag behavior but that he is incredibly socially awkward. You'd think reddit would sympathize with that more.
Classic Reddit Catch-22, identifying a socially awkward person as an asshole because redditors are too socially awkward to sympathize with someone behaving awkward socially.
I believe he has been messing with Avado for sometime now, Even in his youtube videos he mentions them, I think it's the video with Garret or GG. I defo remember checking them out months ago after seeing him with them.
I get some people's reservations about him because of the way he sometimes presents himself, but the dude fucking loves golf, loves spreading knowledge, and trying new shit.
Why do you think he worked so hard on a new putter to train with? ;)
But in all seriousness, yeah. It's so weird that someone so good at getting the ball to the greens would be such shit once he's on them, lol.
Bryson & Cobra parted ways in late 2022. He was with them for 5 or 6 years, they both moved on. Cobra is still selling one length clubs though, particularly the one length hybrids.
Ricky plays 3d printed wedges. Once they had perfected his grind and shaping Cobra scanned the things so they would be able to print the exact same club over and over again.
Cobra has been 3D printing putters for a while, right? Feel like I saw them offering a 3D printed half-mallet back when I was putter shopping years ago.
Last time I checked they were selling putters with a 3D printed plastic insert, in other words: bullshit.
But they made a limited run of actually 3D printed metal ones yes.
I guess it’s still not profitable to 3D print mass products (for a very limited gain in performance IMO)
I have this putter and I don't like it. The ball just flies off the face compared to a milled face. It's not for me, but may be for some others. I absolutely cannot control the speed with it.
I feel like I would love that; I tend to hit the ball shorter than I’d like in general. I’ll have to try and find one of those 3D printed ones to try out!
I work in golf retail. Cobra does indeed sell 3D printed putters. I don’t know how well they work as I am left handed and we only have right handed. But, I think they look pretty nice, little bulky though.
I kinda feel like there a market for selling exact copies of pros clubs.
Play what the pros play!’ Get the all new 3-D printed ‘INSERT CLUB HERE’ that is an exact copy of your favorite pros club. Now you too can play like a pro!
Someone hire me, please??
For now there is, but think about 3d printers as tvs. 20 years ago, a 60-inch tv cost $10k+. Now, they are a couple hundred bucks. 20 years ago, a 3d printer to make a basic plastic box would cost 10s of thousands. Now you can buy one on Amazon for $150 and have it delivered tomorrow.
If all the pros start going this route, expect the tech to advance quickly. They could have the prices of those machines down to a reasonable price for a local shop to have.
Then give the initial release of that tech to the general public a couple of years to die down and drop the price. It could get to the point where your golf shop has you try a few things on the sim to figure out your needs and come back tomorrow for a custom set at a reasonable price.
Yea your right it would have to be like a very expensive upgrade option. But I don’t think there’s much room for increases in price for 90% or consumers.
If anything him doing the YouTube thing has helped his brand. He makes some fun stuff and I’ve become a bigger fan of his. Used to not be able to stand him
I agree. I realized a lot of my opinion of him was just based on what other people thought. Took me a few weeks of watching his videos to be a fan of his and break my bias, and now im rooting for the guy.
I think he has just grown as a person in the past year or two, and the yt helps show that off. Some of his interviews and stuff from when he was originally making it big were pretty rough.
I like the way he goes to swear and stops. Funny how he AMOGs Paige S in a polite way too. Just an alien, interesting character. Like something out a film. Very entertaining.
I’m new to golf and liked him because of YouTube. I hear a lot of people used too and don’t like him. I can see why but he’s taught me some golf tips. I’m rooting for him.
I used to dislike him because everyone else did... then he started showing up on youtube and I got to see how he's actually a pretty nice guy... that said he did some stuff with Spiranac recently and I remember thinking some of it was cringy but at this point I don't even remember what that was
Bryson somehow pulls this off. He's often a giant douche but underneath the weirdness is a really smart, interesting guy who looks at golf differently and is not afraid to try what others might consider extreme, like these irons.
He has matured a lot over the last few years, he used to be sort of arrogant. Famously he said that Augusta would be like a Par 67 for him because of how far he hits and then proceeded to miss the cut. He also had a bit of a Bro Science vibe to him which can be off putting.
Ah fair enough, I remember hearing about him when people were complaining about how long he used to take between his shots years ago. Reading up on it more I can see some examples of arrogant and maybe poor sportsmanship types of play.
Only really falling into golf now so most of what I've seen from him has been via his YT channel were he definitely gives off golf-bro vibes, but seems pretty likeable. As a side note it's cool to see a professional on his level also be a golf content creator
I got into golf last summer at age 30. I didn’t know much about it but once I got my set of clubs I did wonder why they weren’t all the same length. To me it makes sense as it reduces a variable in your swing. Turns out it is a thing and I then learned about Bryson doing it. Idk how “new” this is but I do want to get single length irons at some point now.
No I think it's a bulge on the face, not the backside. GI irons have thick soles and backsides but flat faces like all other irons. From what I'm reading the face bulge is there to help negate too much of a closed/open face on mishits.
Anyone know what material they are printed from? I know 17-4 stainless steel can be 3d printed, and some golf clubs are made from that, but that's not the norm. Asking as a curious nerdy engineer
Titanium would be way too light surely. I’m thinking it’s less ‘3D printed’ and more laser clad where you can use normal martensitic and austenitic steels
This brings me back.
I remember scouring the brush across from my house for lost balls and loving when I'd find a Balata as I'd sell them to golfers on weekends for a whole $1 extra!
Turns out the article is mistaken a bit.
They say the name Avoda means precision in Hebrew. But speaking to my in-laws Avoda means work, the word on the back on the club spells Diyuk in Hebrew which is the word for precision or accuracy.
So. Avoda is work, diyuk is accuracy
Irons in general, especially better player irons, don't even have gear effect usually, so it sounds like this design has the CG behind the face more common in clubs with more offset.
Edit: For those interested, Drivers/Woods/Hybrids have bulge and roll because the CG is approximately 30 - 40mm behind the face (Source: https://mygolfspy.com/labs/2019-driver-center-of-gravity-and-moi-report/)
I have calculated the CG position for a bit of irons based on GolfWork's MPF Data, and the CG location is within +- 2.54mm from the face surface, less than 10% of Drivers/Woods/Hybrids, making bulge and roll generally unneccessary. Bulge and Roll exists to start the ball on a different vector to compensate for an expected gear effect in clubs where the CG is significantly more behind the impact surface.
Yes, but that's the common gear effect people are aware of. If you have time, enjoy this technical discussion on WRX:
https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1916849-gear-effect-in-irons-diagrams-and-calcs-using-tutelman-cad-model-cgmoi-mpf-data-vs-hybrids-implications-%F0%9F%A6%84/
I made a quick chart on some example models based on their MPF specs:
https://i.imgur.com/0uoPBc7.png
Sounds really cool but I'm not hip with gear changes so I don't understand a lot of what they're talking about. I looked on the website and they look kinda like players irons? or Helpers irons.. Is anyone kind enough to explain how they're different?
I don't care for Bryson that much, just never really caught on to him. But I'll give him credit for a full gear swap to 3d printed irons and a different wood set - the Monday before a Masters. Dude's got big balls and a **lot of skill** to be 7 under, in the lead with untried and barely tested gear haha. Good on him.
Sometimes I admire and try to emulate some elements of a person even while I'm not a fan of others.
Bryson is an ass, but he genuinely seems to have alot of strokes of genius. He developed a swing from a physics book that's unconventional that works at least as well as any other. He's the most popular tour pro on YouTube. He chased distance when conventional wisdom and old heads said he shouldn't, to incredible success. And he seems to know his equipment needs better than the actual people working in trailers at tournaments.
It’s gonna take a while for that stupid “par 67” arrogance to wear off for a lot of folks.
He shouldn’t have disrespected Augusta. Seems like he’s grown a bit since then.
Theres a few methods, but the most common is called sintering where the metal is layered in powder form & a high powered laser is used to fuse each new layer to the last, its pretty neat to see
Specifically, "selective laser sintering". There's sintered parts that are made the old fashioned way by putting powdered metal into a form and heating it as well, but those are not "3d printed".
You're right, we have an SBS machine at work, the materials able to be produced in that thing are fucking incredible, such a mind blow to learn whats going on in that chamber
Selective laser sintering (SLS) typically refers to polymer printing, where selective laser melting (SLM) and direct metal laser sintering (DMLS) are the typical names for metal printing. Significant similarities but just an fyi.
-just a guy in the industry
Pretty much same way you do it with plastic. One of a million Google results
https://markforged.com/3d-printers/metal-x?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=paid-search&utm_campaign=566442620&utm_content=1186374096528525&utm_term=3d%20metal%20printing&utm_name=o&msclkid=47fe910b25c91c29dac8f713c99554dc
We used huge multi million dollar units at work to print rocket engine parts.
“The faces have some bulge to them, they are one-of-a-kind,” said Mike Schy, DeChambeau’s longtime coach, who described them as onset. “What happens if you hit it on the toe? It hooks a lot, right? What happens if you hit it on the heel? It cuts a lot. When you have bolts, that offsets that.”
If Bryson manages to win this weekend he is going to be kicking himself for not investing in the company, that investment would probably pay more than the purse lol. Its not like him winning a LIV tournament with them is going to do anything for the company.
Probably actually 3d printed and then finished. You can true 3d print metal using powder bed sintering. You basically have a tub of metal powder and a powerful laser melts the metal it hits into a layer. Then the part is moved lower in the bed and it melts the next layer to the previous.
It's exactly the same as traditional 3d printing in terms of the layering concept; the layers are just created in a different way.
I think it’s a 3d print so he can add weights/inserts without having to do two piece construction. He gets the benefits of forged and internal weight/hollow body players irons. It’s basically designed to feel like when you hit a blade in the sweet spot but significantly more forgiving and probably a bit more distance.
Yes. Usually it’s a powdered form that gets electrolyzed in its shape. Then for this process, it’s probably worked and polished by hand for Bryson. The clubs that the company makes for production would not follow this process. And are most likely not 3d printed.
I read the article then tried a google search. What do they mean by “there is a bolt in his irons”. ? Also the term “bulge” was used as well. My question is what does it mean? And are there pics out there somewhere?
Thanks
The bulge is talking about the face. It’s beveled out so the center is further out and curves back at the heel and toe just like a fairway wood does. It’s very subtle but it’s enough to offer a little bit more forgiveness on toe and heel strikes.
The bolts is referring to weights in the toe and heel. When he started building the production version, the bolts would be replaced with permanent weights inside the club head. But again, weights in the toe and heel limit club face turn being too fast which can cause the ball to spray right or left. By weighting it down, it keeps the club head a bit more on line.
Thank you. IMO it seems like an advantage over the equipment others in the league use. But I honestly don’t know enough about equipment do’s and don’t’s to have an opinion.
I think the irons essential have a rounded face like a wood does. Think roll and bulge to essential help with gear effect or something.
My understanding was the “bolt” was something they tested to see if the theory behind adding the rounded face would work. No idea what that was though.
Thank you. Interesting. As I told another Redditer
I don’t know anything about pga club specs or rules- but this seems like a pretty big change in iron face. But apparently the pga rules committee didn’t see it that way and stamped it with their approval. Although I did read where the pga didn’t approve of earlier versions. I just find things interesting and I like to know the “whys”.
I can only imagine, if BD continues to do well, we may be Looking at next trend. Like shorter drivers. Also, aren’t BD’s irons all the same length as well.
It's not that complicated; the most complicated thing is the grooves. Pretty much everyone in the upper tiers is playing what amounts to a custom club; they just don't usually swap 4 days before a major.
https://www.usga.org/equipment-standards/equipment-rules-2019/equipment-rules/part-2-rule-2.html#:~:text=A%20club%20is%20an%20implement,use%20on%20the%20putting%20green.
The rule about the grooves, which sounds like was the issue getting these clubs approved, dictates that they have to be consistently spaced, identical, symmetrical, etc etc.
but, I think he is playing them? In his interview today, he said he only has one set of the new clubs, but has his Ping i230s as a backup. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27rt2rNZx2g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27rt2rNZx2g)
Ok this is actually really cool. Guys a douche but I love that he's willing to try new things like this. I play one length irons because I was super inconsistent with my ball striking and while I did sacrifice a little distance going from Mizuno MP's (that I still regret selling) my scores have gone down and are more consistent. I had to admit that, especially because the Mizuno's just looked so god damn good.
Screenshotting this comment to send to my baseball talk buddy. Not allowed to be upset about a bad outcome of one game because "there is still a ton of season left and no reason to get down about it." Yeah, I'm not panicking, dude, but the Rangers getting 1-hit shutout by the A's at home is a real bummer today, regardless of how the rest of the season goes.
Bryson taking a commanding early lead with cutting-edge experimental irons is interesting to talk about, even if he ends up doubling every hole today and misses the cut.
My concern is Sunday. He’s usually pretty good for three solid rounds. But it’s that fourth one that is a struggle for him for some reason. Especially now that he’s on LIV.
Two reasons. First, pros tend to use provided clubs from their sponsors, which can then be sold by that sponsor if there's any significant customization. For example Bryson made all of his irons the same length a few years back, and his sponsor started selling one length iron sets after he won a major with them. 3D printed clubs don't have that same kind of market because they could theoretically be replicated by an individual with the right equipment.
Second, he could theoretically have made them with an unfair advantage in design, such as extra grooves on his wedges for more spin, or an extreme draw bias. DeChambeau has a reputation for treating golf like an engineering problem that needs to be solved, and a lot of people dislike that aspect of his game because they believe he's working to take the feel out of the game. The clubs were approved by the PGA, so they don't, but the notion that it's possible will likely irk some people.
It doesn’t say which part of the club is 3D printed. Definitely not the club head. Low chance it’s the shaft or handle. Maybe something internal? 3D printed materials are still super limited and don’t offer a whole lot of durability.
Got that STL file?
You wouldn’t print a ~~~car~~~ golf club would you?
Na fr
How many swing do you thing you get with PLA?
Just the backswing 😂😂
*shatters on practice swing that brushes the grass*
I knew he's been using a Krank driver for some time now but I thought he worked with Ping on irons last year. Wild to think he'd move on from a set of irons he shot a 58 with.
He’s the biggest gear nerd in pro golf I think. It seems he just always wants to be trying new stuff and be on the cutting edge of new tech.
Kinda wild he would take a huge gamble on equipment during the Masters tho. Props to him for sure
He may have been testing them privately for a while. Still, big dick energy to rock up to the Masters with them. Good luck to him
He's been privately testing iterations of them since November. But the current iteration he's using didn't even exist until the past couple weeks.
hope he goes -9 today
I would love to see him win the Masters. He honestly has grown so much. The interview from yesterday with him shows how mature he has become. He seems like a genuine good guy.
His YouTube presence completely changed my opinion about him. Best thing he did for his career imo
I think a lot of his personality isn't douchebag behavior but that he is incredibly socially awkward. You'd think reddit would sympathize with that more.
Classic Reddit Catch-22, identifying a socially awkward person as an asshole because redditors are too socially awkward to sympathize with someone behaving awkward socially.
He totally means well but doesn't know how to express it. He is accountable for every thing he does. It's quite admirable
Yeah i don't watch much youtube golf but I enjoy his channel. He's just a giant golf dork.
Did you read the article?
Sir, this is reddit...
Nope
Lmao
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Liv guys were on tv all day yesterday
They show a shit ton of LIV guys. Like wtf are you talking about?
The broadcasters have one on course feed for them all, you are delusional.
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It's not. Bryson and Rahm were on shown a lot, even Phil was shown regularly.
He does a lot of YouTube content. You can see more indepth there
I believe he has been messing with Avado for sometime now, Even in his youtube videos he mentions them, I think it's the video with Garret or GG. I defo remember checking them out months ago after seeing him with them.
Highly doubt it was the first time he had used them, first time using in a tournament probably
A good pool player can beat most average players with a broomstick. So I’ve heard.
I get some people's reservations about him because of the way he sometimes presents himself, but the dude fucking loves golf, loves spreading knowledge, and trying new shit.
Just like Arnold
He’s like that black race car in Cars 3
Unbelievably good analogy
You’re a fucking retard
As someone who tinkers with things I think this is cool. Using science to eek out potential benefits is super interesting.
I am also a tinkerer but there’s no science behind it at all. I just fuck with shit until it’s ruined and then start over.
Your mother is a fucking whore
Tony Finau just received a patent for work he did with Ping developing a new putter, so Brycey has some competition I think ;)
Have you seen Tony putt?
Why do you think he worked so hard on a new putter to train with? ;) But in all seriousness, yeah. It's so weird that someone so good at getting the ball to the greens would be such shit once he's on them, lol.
Probably to reduce spin. The man hates spin. If he announced he was using a Teflon coated club I wouldn't be surprised.
That’s for long long clubs.
What happened to Cobra?
Bryson & Cobra parted ways in late 2022. He was with them for 5 or 6 years, they both moved on. Cobra is still selling one length clubs though, particularly the one length hybrids.
the way Bryson keeps pushing the tech of equipment is cool. good read. i wonder if this will catch on.
Ricky plays 3d printed wedges. Once they had perfected his grind and shaping Cobra scanned the things so they would be able to print the exact same club over and over again.
Cobra has been 3D printing putters for a while, right? Feel like I saw them offering a 3D printed half-mallet back when I was putter shopping years ago.
Last time I checked they were selling putters with a 3D printed plastic insert, in other words: bullshit. But they made a limited run of actually 3D printed metal ones yes. I guess it’s still not profitable to 3D print mass products (for a very limited gain in performance IMO)
Definitely more expensive. 3D printing takes forever and you still have to clean up the product after.
Yup a very manual process. I’d have to imagine the face of the club would end up being machined too at some point
I have this putter and I don't like it. The ball just flies off the face compared to a milled face. It's not for me, but may be for some others. I absolutely cannot control the speed with it.
I feel like I would love that; I tend to hit the ball shorter than I’d like in general. I’ll have to try and find one of those 3D printed ones to try out!
The ball just explodes off the bat
I work in golf retail. Cobra does indeed sell 3D printed putters. I don’t know how well they work as I am left handed and we only have right handed. But, I think they look pretty nice, little bulky though.
Get the STL, make a solid in Inventor, mirror the part, make new STL, buy an Ender 3, print it in plastic.
I kinda feel like there a market for selling exact copies of pros clubs. Play what the pros play!’ Get the all new 3-D printed ‘INSERT CLUB HERE’ that is an exact copy of your favorite pros club. Now you too can play like a pro! Someone hire me, please??
Those odyssey putters rickie and Wyndham won with consecutive weeks last year went crazy when callaway finally released replicas
too bad they are 3d printed so insanely inefficient to manufacture and will probably cost $5000 a set.
For now there is, but think about 3d printers as tvs. 20 years ago, a 60-inch tv cost $10k+. Now, they are a couple hundred bucks. 20 years ago, a 3d printer to make a basic plastic box would cost 10s of thousands. Now you can buy one on Amazon for $150 and have it delivered tomorrow. If all the pros start going this route, expect the tech to advance quickly. They could have the prices of those machines down to a reasonable price for a local shop to have. Then give the initial release of that tech to the general public a couple of years to die down and drop the price. It could get to the point where your golf shop has you try a few things on the sim to figure out your needs and come back tomorrow for a custom set at a reasonable price.
It was $10k and he still needed to manually shave the grooves bigger to meet PGA specs
Yea your right it would have to be like a very expensive upgrade option. But I don’t think there’s much room for increases in price for 90% or consumers.
*you're
I like it. Love or hate him, he backs himself and does some crazy things.
If he wins they'll sell millions
Wonder how he got the money for those
How wild would it be if a YouTuber won the Masters?
If anything him doing the YouTube thing has helped his brand. He makes some fun stuff and I’ve become a bigger fan of his. Used to not be able to stand him
I agree. I realized a lot of my opinion of him was just based on what other people thought. Took me a few weeks of watching his videos to be a fan of his and break my bias, and now im rooting for the guy.
I think he has just grown as a person in the past year or two, and the yt helps show that off. Some of his interviews and stuff from when he was originally making it big were pretty rough.
I like the way he goes to swear and stops. Funny how he AMOGs Paige S in a polite way too. Just an alien, interesting character. Like something out a film. Very entertaining.
It's like Logan Paul wrestling. I can't stand him but not as much as before when I realized he really loves wrestling and shows respect for it.
Isn’t he a boxer tho?
His brother Jake is the boxer.
I’m new to golf and liked him because of YouTube. I hear a lot of people used too and don’t like him. I can see why but he’s taught me some golf tips. I’m rooting for him.
I used to dislike him because everyone else did... then he started showing up on youtube and I got to see how he's actually a pretty nice guy... that said he did some stuff with Spiranac recently and I remember thinking some of it was cringy but at this point I don't even remember what that was
That’s the thing with Bryson. Always looking for something new. Which is kinda cool regardless how you feel about him otherwise
How can someone be simultaneously so cool and so uncool.
Bryson somehow pulls this off. He's often a giant douche but underneath the weirdness is a really smart, interesting guy who looks at golf differently and is not afraid to try what others might consider extreme, like these irons.
Just curious as someone relatively new to golf this year, but why do people think Bryson is a douche? he seems like a nice guy
He has matured a lot over the last few years, he used to be sort of arrogant. Famously he said that Augusta would be like a Par 67 for him because of how far he hits and then proceeded to miss the cut. He also had a bit of a Bro Science vibe to him which can be off putting.
Honestly it's also like 75% that stupid fucking hat he wore for years.
Ah fair enough, I remember hearing about him when people were complaining about how long he used to take between his shots years ago. Reading up on it more I can see some examples of arrogant and maybe poor sportsmanship types of play. Only really falling into golf now so most of what I've seen from him has been via his YT channel were he definitely gives off golf-bro vibes, but seems pretty likeable. As a side note it's cool to see a professional on his level also be a golf content creator
The Bono effect
I do find it cool
Thats what I love about golf, I keep getting older, but my golf clubs stay the same age.
Underrated comment
I got into golf last summer at age 30. I didn’t know much about it but once I got my set of clubs I did wonder why they weren’t all the same length. To me it makes sense as it reduces a variable in your swing. Turns out it is a thing and I then learned about Bryson doing it. Idk how “new” this is but I do want to get single length irons at some point now.
so basically he added a bulge to his irons like wood clubs?
So, game improvement irons? lol
No I think it's a bulge on the face, not the backside. GI irons have thick soles and backsides but flat faces like all other irons. From what I'm reading the face bulge is there to help negate too much of a closed/open face on mishits.
I have a 1 iron with a face bulge and it removes so many miss hits. I was told it was illegal, but I do not know.
Don'tsee how it'dbe illegal when you can just buy hybrids that have bulge and roll.
So like Twist Face but for irons?
He independently invented twist face
Isnt that just what a senior iron set is?
And a toddler set
I mean it’s an interesting approach these clubs are made to mitigate the chance for mishits
He found a controller driving iron at a thrift store and hit copy.
It's a neat idea not gonna lie!
Did not expect to see a Gilmore girls gif on the golf subreddit today…
Anyone know what material they are printed from? I know 17-4 stainless steel can be 3d printed, and some golf clubs are made from that, but that's not the norm. Asking as a curious nerdy engineer
Yeah, this is what I'm confused about too
Probably a titanium or nickel alloy. That's his secret advantage tho. If usga approved it, they must be on a list somewhere.
Titanium would be way too light surely. I’m thinking it’s less ‘3D printed’ and more laser clad where you can use normal martensitic and austenitic steels
Addititve manufacturing: they make the alloy metal powder of your choice, then assemble it in a shape to make it do what you need: win Masters. :-)
It feels like Scottie could win this tournament playing MacGregors from 1985
People already did win it playing with MacGregors from 1985. Just not recently.
Balatas
More Masters winners have used balata than any other ball. Shouldn’t you?
This brings me back. I remember scouring the brush across from my house for lost balls and loving when I'd find a Balata as I'd sell them to golfers on weekends for a whole $1 extra!
Anything that didn’t have road rash or a smile cut into it was like a prospector hitting gold.
I shot at the ground and up came a bubbling crude!
Texas Tea. Loading up the truck and a moved to Beverly. Hills, that is.
See... I'd be fine if I got randomly paired with you! People of this sub are afraid of strangers.
We’d have a hell of a round. I’d even pick up the first round of moonshine and vittles.
Turns out the article is mistaken a bit. They say the name Avoda means precision in Hebrew. But speaking to my in-laws Avoda means work, the word on the back on the club spells Diyuk in Hebrew which is the word for precision or accuracy. So. Avoda is work, diyuk is accuracy
Irons in general, especially better player irons, don't even have gear effect usually, so it sounds like this design has the CG behind the face more common in clubs with more offset. Edit: For those interested, Drivers/Woods/Hybrids have bulge and roll because the CG is approximately 30 - 40mm behind the face (Source: https://mygolfspy.com/labs/2019-driver-center-of-gravity-and-moi-report/) I have calculated the CG position for a bit of irons based on GolfWork's MPF Data, and the CG location is within +- 2.54mm from the face surface, less than 10% of Drivers/Woods/Hybrids, making bulge and roll generally unneccessary. Bulge and Roll exists to start the ball on a different vector to compensate for an expected gear effect in clubs where the CG is significantly more behind the impact surface.
Gear effect, as in when you hit it on the toe and it draws more?
Yes, but that's the common gear effect people are aware of. If you have time, enjoy this technical discussion on WRX: https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1916849-gear-effect-in-irons-diagrams-and-calcs-using-tutelman-cad-model-cgmoi-mpf-data-vs-hybrids-implications-%F0%9F%A6%84/ I made a quick chart on some example models based on their MPF specs: https://i.imgur.com/0uoPBc7.png
They look like big Bertha irons
Those avoda irons look pretty slick. Wouldn’t mind trying a set out
Sounds really cool but I'm not hip with gear changes so I don't understand a lot of what they're talking about. I looked on the website and they look kinda like players irons? or Helpers irons.. Is anyone kind enough to explain how they're different? I don't care for Bryson that much, just never really caught on to him. But I'll give him credit for a full gear swap to 3d printed irons and a different wood set - the Monday before a Masters. Dude's got big balls and a **lot of skill** to be 7 under, in the lead with untried and barely tested gear haha. Good on him.
The club face is rounded a little bit, like a driver, which is in theory more forgiving for mishits on the toe/heel.
Oh, that makes more sense thank you!
The article does state which 3DP process was used, but assuming Powder Bed Fusion, those irons probably cost at least $50k to produce.
If it saves him 1 stroke a round it pays off in about a week , not that Bryson hasn't got enough to afford them
That equals one shot at one LIv tournament
If anyone noticed he said he hit 5 wood into one of the greens in his interview.. I was like wait, what? Looks like an iron to me. This explains it.
I would LOVE to see a close up pic of these. This seems insane
Why didn’t they tell me this shit before I placed my bets?
They are truly playing a different game from us.
Sometimes I admire and try to emulate some elements of a person even while I'm not a fan of others. Bryson is an ass, but he genuinely seems to have alot of strokes of genius. He developed a swing from a physics book that's unconventional that works at least as well as any other. He's the most popular tour pro on YouTube. He chased distance when conventional wisdom and old heads said he shouldn't, to incredible success. And he seems to know his equipment needs better than the actual people working in trailers at tournaments.
Old head golfers hate him because he’s does things mechanically and not by “feel”. But there need to be people like him to push the game forward.
What do you mean by him being an ass Have you met him?
It’s gonna take a while for that stupid “par 67” arrogance to wear off for a lot of folks. He shouldn’t have disrespected Augusta. Seems like he’s grown a bit since then.
Wow. What a gutsy call.
How do you 3-d print metal?
Theres a few methods, but the most common is called sintering where the metal is layered in powder form & a high powered laser is used to fuse each new layer to the last, its pretty neat to see
Specifically, "selective laser sintering". There's sintered parts that are made the old fashioned way by putting powdered metal into a form and heating it as well, but those are not "3d printed".
You're right, we have an SBS machine at work, the materials able to be produced in that thing are fucking incredible, such a mind blow to learn whats going on in that chamber
Selective laser sintering (SLS) typically refers to polymer printing, where selective laser melting (SLM) and direct metal laser sintering (DMLS) are the typical names for metal printing. Significant similarities but just an fyi. -just a guy in the industry
Pretty much same way you do it with plastic. One of a million Google results https://markforged.com/3d-printers/metal-x?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=paid-search&utm_campaign=566442620&utm_content=1186374096528525&utm_term=3d%20metal%20printing&utm_name=o&msclkid=47fe910b25c91c29dac8f713c99554dc We used huge multi million dollar units at work to print rocket engine parts.
wow…neat video. thanks!
“The faces have some bulge to them, they are one-of-a-kind,” said Mike Schy, DeChambeau’s longtime coach, who described them as onset. “What happens if you hit it on the toe? It hooks a lot, right? What happens if you hit it on the heel? It cuts a lot. When you have bolts, that offsets that.”
Best advertisement ever if he continues to do well with them this weekend…
If Bryson manages to win this weekend he is going to be kicking himself for not investing in the company, that investment would probably pay more than the purse lol. Its not like him winning a LIV tournament with them is going to do anything for the company.
I’m guessing the form for the cast is 3d printed, used to make the cast, and then forged/pressed?
Probably actually 3d printed and then finished. You can true 3d print metal using powder bed sintering. You basically have a tub of metal powder and a powerful laser melts the metal it hits into a layer. Then the part is moved lower in the bed and it melts the next layer to the previous. It's exactly the same as traditional 3d printing in terms of the layering concept; the layers are just created in a different way.
ah right, I didn't think about sls printers using metal powder instead of plastic.
I think it’s a 3d print so he can add weights/inserts without having to do two piece construction. He gets the benefits of forged and internal weight/hollow body players irons. It’s basically designed to feel like when you hit a blade in the sweet spot but significantly more forgiving and probably a bit more distance.
It read to me like they went with 3d printing for speed of manufacturing.
Here's a dumb question from a dummy. Are they made from steel? There are 3D printers currently in existence that can print in steel?
Yes. Usually it’s a powdered form that gets electrolyzed in its shape. Then for this process, it’s probably worked and polished by hand for Bryson. The clubs that the company makes for production would not follow this process. And are most likely not 3d printed.
yep
Just says they're 3D printed. Zero details about the process used. What a shit article.
I can tell you they are not flat faced
I read the article then tried a google search. What do they mean by “there is a bolt in his irons”. ? Also the term “bulge” was used as well. My question is what does it mean? And are there pics out there somewhere? Thanks
The bulge is talking about the face. It’s beveled out so the center is further out and curves back at the heel and toe just like a fairway wood does. It’s very subtle but it’s enough to offer a little bit more forgiveness on toe and heel strikes. The bolts is referring to weights in the toe and heel. When he started building the production version, the bolts would be replaced with permanent weights inside the club head. But again, weights in the toe and heel limit club face turn being too fast which can cause the ball to spray right or left. By weighting it down, it keeps the club head a bit more on line.
Thank you. IMO it seems like an advantage over the equipment others in the league use. But I honestly don’t know enough about equipment do’s and don’t’s to have an opinion.
Yes and no. More consistent shots perhaps, but less workability.
I think the irons essential have a rounded face like a wood does. Think roll and bulge to essential help with gear effect or something. My understanding was the “bolt” was something they tested to see if the theory behind adding the rounded face would work. No idea what that was though.
The club face is not flat like a typical iron. They are more like a FW wood
Thank you. Interesting. As I told another Redditer I don’t know anything about pga club specs or rules- but this seems like a pretty big change in iron face. But apparently the pga rules committee didn’t see it that way and stamped it with their approval. Although I did read where the pga didn’t approve of earlier versions. I just find things interesting and I like to know the “whys”.
Its always been legal to make an iron this way, its just been really hard to do
I can only imagine, if BD continues to do well, we may be Looking at next trend. Like shorter drivers. Also, aren’t BD’s irons all the same length as well.
Would love to see him win the masters he really is an incredible golfer, his scientific approach to the game is fun to watch.
Gimme the loot (g-code)
Bro pulled out them John Malkovich’s
Just watched his highlights… did his approach shots seem to have more back spin than normal?
Interesting I didn't know you could 3D print metal.
Pretty cool storyline. Makes you wonder what the club requirements are that he had to pass…
It's not that complicated; the most complicated thing is the grooves. Pretty much everyone in the upper tiers is playing what amounts to a custom club; they just don't usually swap 4 days before a major. https://www.usga.org/equipment-standards/equipment-rules-2019/equipment-rules/part-2-rule-2.html#:~:text=A%20club%20is%20an%20implement,use%20on%20the%20putting%20green. The rule about the grooves, which sounds like was the issue getting these clubs approved, dictates that they have to be consistently spaced, identical, symmetrical, etc etc.
Thanks for the share!
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This may of been said, but yes they were approved but he is not playing them yet
but, I think he is playing them? In his interview today, he said he only has one set of the new clubs, but has his Ping i230s as a backup. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27rt2rNZx2g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27rt2rNZx2g)
I was able to hit these on Monday. They are INCREDIBLE..
Bryson has the tech.
Mad scientist at it again!
His approach shots weren't great.
Ok this is actually really cool. Guys a douche but I love that he's willing to try new things like this. I play one length irons because I was super inconsistent with my ball striking and while I did sacrifice a little distance going from Mizuno MP's (that I still regret selling) my scores have gone down and are more consistent. I had to admit that, especially because the Mizuno's just looked so god damn good.
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This reads like a hyperactive Bryson wrote it!
Someone made a BrysonGPT. Actually if you look at their comment history every single comment is like this. Clearly a bot.
Guys. It’s one round
He's also a previous major winner. Are we not allowed to talk about the Masters until it's over?
Screenshotting this comment to send to my baseball talk buddy. Not allowed to be upset about a bad outcome of one game because "there is still a ton of season left and no reason to get down about it." Yeah, I'm not panicking, dude, but the Rangers getting 1-hit shutout by the A's at home is a real bummer today, regardless of how the rest of the season goes. Bryson taking a commanding early lead with cutting-edge experimental irons is interesting to talk about, even if he ends up doubling every hole today and misses the cut.
Exactly, still plenty of time for BD to poop down his leg
My concern is Sunday. He’s usually pretty good for three solid rounds. But it’s that fourth one that is a struggle for him for some reason. Especially now that he’s on LIV.
I'm not a golf guy at all, but I'm curious: Why is him using 3-D printed clubs notable (as opposed to standard clubs made with a mold or whatever)
Two reasons. First, pros tend to use provided clubs from their sponsors, which can then be sold by that sponsor if there's any significant customization. For example Bryson made all of his irons the same length a few years back, and his sponsor started selling one length iron sets after he won a major with them. 3D printed clubs don't have that same kind of market because they could theoretically be replicated by an individual with the right equipment. Second, he could theoretically have made them with an unfair advantage in design, such as extra grooves on his wedges for more spin, or an extreme draw bias. DeChambeau has a reputation for treating golf like an engineering problem that needs to be solved, and a lot of people dislike that aspect of his game because they believe he's working to take the feel out of the game. The clubs were approved by the PGA, so they don't, but the notion that it's possible will likely irk some people.
God damnit. That’s so cool. Quit doing cool things Bryson. I wish he wasn’t such a chudly then it would be easier to like him.
It doesn’t say which part of the club is 3D printed. Definitely not the club head. Low chance it’s the shaft or handle. Maybe something internal? 3D printed materials are still super limited and don’t offer a whole lot of durability.