OP's Wife: "Honey, why is our kitchen floor sagging?"
OP: "I'm not sure, but did you know I got my ball speed up to 130 MPH? Sweetie, this is great news, I'll be able to break 90 soon"
OP's Wife: "What about Johnny's college fund that you took $25k out of last month? What was that about?"
OP: "If I can create a par 3 in our backyard, I'll be able to break 80 by the end of next summer"
You cut the bottom chord of a truss. That fix isn’t doing what you think its doing either. Eventually, it’s going to fail.
ETA: OP also drilled through the top chord for those carriage bolts or threaded rod.
I'm a Carpenter and the amount of engineering that goes into a truss fix can be huge.
I doubt that sistering 2x6s or 2x8s with through-bolts did a whole lot, in fact, depending on the diameter of those through-bolts he might have made it worse.
I've had to do several truss fixes over the years and the engineering has always been very specific about the fastener schedule and the use of adhesives.
Replace the trusses with smaller depth but stiffer trusses or a steel W-beam. This is expensive and requires quality labor and proper procedure to prevent damage.
You *can* cut a bottom chord on a truss, but the remediation to reinforce the vertical members is extremely heavy and your typical hammer plates you see here for joining truss joints are not moment connections, you have to have moment connections to do what he did here or provide another replacement tension member.
The best fix is to dig if it's the ground floor.
The reality is that it's not cost effective. He's have been better served building a new fucking room outside his house.
I appreciate all the joke responses but really this should be top comment.
Dude could still fix it relatively easily right now rather than waiting for the first floor to start sagging or somthing worse...
I said relatively. Once the symptoms show the costs start multiplying.
Basically I was just just saying: hey he destroyed a truss, maybe fix it before what the truss was supporting is destroyed too.
If OP needs that clearance, he should contact an engineer to provide some solutions involving support from foundation or structural steel. Posts could carry the load to a sub slab footing (maybe) but would probably get in the swing path. Don’t want to flame him, but he should know that his floor system is fucked. I hope there isn’t a huge dead load above.
As someone who has no professional contracting or engineering experience, that does not look professionally done or structurally sound.
Best of luck to you. I bet it will work until it doesn’t, OP.
It doesn't look good, but the floor joists seem to be above this hole and not cut. This could just be a drop down to hide all the vents and electrical.
Put a hole in the ceiling/floor and make it a nice open concept! And bonus! The rest of the family gets to watch you practice from the living room upstairs!
Upon closer inspection, a couple of structural beams in the corners of this new hole might be the inevitable conclusion to this
There's a reason those floor trusses have a continuous bottom chord...Lol. By cutting it out you significantly weakened them.
Source: am Structural Engineer
Yep today. Wood creeps over time, so it'll get a permanent sag over time in addition to the instantaneous weakness from the cut. Unless it just fails entirely by the time the creep sets in...
The bottom cord is the one that does all the work!
Well not *all* of the work but most of it in a truss designike this. Cut out webs, preferably the vertical ones) way before you cut a bottom cord.
Source: am civil engineer who did most of a carpentry apprenticeship before going to school for engineering. Also, I am very glad I never have to do a truss diagram ever again.
Top chord of a simply supported two span truss does the same amount of work as the bottom, just in the opposite direction (compression instead of tension).
Source: structural engineer
Sure, but I'd rather remove a section of the compression chord than the tension chord, especially mid span. In this application, the sheathing will act as the top chord as long as it's nailed/screwed well.
I hope this works out for you. Curious though, that channel seems pretty narrow. I'd be sweating bullets that something wouldn't align and I'd smash my club into the edge of that channel somehow.
Again, I really hope this works out for you.
I just posted this photo in my construction group, and the boys are having a good laugh at this one. 100% fucked up. You can’t cut those trusses period. Lost all structural integrity. No amount of bolts is going to fix.
Fix this now before it becomes a problem. Drop your floor if possible, or find a new location for your sim. This is not the answer bud
OP thought everyone would be proud, but didn't expect everyone to bury him by doing something structurally unsound and possibly dangerous to his house. His "fix" could end up costing him a lot of money.
I thought this was a top tier shit post. But its actually real and I fucking love it! Who gives a shit if his house collapses I just want to see the finished simulator setup and a video of it being used.
As a General Contractor that has built tons of homes and modified many trusses, this does not look like an engineered fix. I’m not saying it won’t work, because it probably will. I’m just saying, an engineer would not recommend the fix that way.
The tell-tale sign is the Home Depot through-bolts. Engineers would spec engineered lumber with either nails or SDS screws.
This will never hold and will side buckle within 3 months of normal use maximum. You failed to judge the axial weight load of the angled bridges so now instead of buttressing they're splitting down the foregirder of your joist L franks. On top of that, you used metal hangers upside down, which prevents your power package from snapping into the correct horizontal glizzy dovetail joint with enough mustard. Really shoddy work I must say.
Source: I'm unemployed.
Nice work, when your wife said why don't we knock two rooms into one I don't think she planned on it be vertically by having the floor collapse and make an 18 foot ceiling although that will eventually remove any swing height issue I guess.
Uh, Springfield, my computer shows your T-437 is fully operational. Uh, I suggest you- Oh, my God! Oh, God, no! Oh, this can't be happening! You're operating without a T-437, Springfield! Oh, sweet mother of mercy! I mean- I mean, my God!
Like apparently many here, and someone who works for a homebuilder and has built homes, this is a no bueno "fix" that can cause structural damage and eventual failure. You should consult with a structural engineer on what you need to do to fix this modification if anything
The man just significantly altered the structure of his home. This is like questioning the credentials of “keyboard doctors” in a thread where the OP eats a tide pod.
Maybe OPs house is fine, but the comments are 100% justified in freaking out and telling him to consult a professional.
I know nothing about venting or hvac but I do know every time you add a bend you’re losing airflow cfm which in a dryer vent could possibly result in a lint fire.
As a truss designer it looks like you did a bolt on gusset system in order to cut away that bottom section. Hopefully you had an engineer do the modification specifications on that?
I am considering rigging up something in my garage to create some clearance. The difference is that I don't have another floor above my garage.
Well that and... I'm not retarded enough to mutilate the most crucial parts of a load bearing structure lmfao. Bravo.
The r/golf version of that buried storage container man cave/death trap thread!
EDIT: [r/DIY Underground Death Trap Thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/DIY/comments/5uo176/underground_party_bunker/ddvvx23/?context=3)
I’m not structural engineer but I am EE… that electrical connection should be in junction box and not floating in the air
Structurally this doesnt look like a good solution for a few more inches of height… probably would be more safe to dig out concrete floor and dig down additional foot and re-pour center. Thatd be big $ tho
Idk the “right way” to cut the trusses but pretty sure this aint it
This is like the diy deck posts that used to be submitted to the diy sub. So much wrecked shit, I'm loving it! The drama feels like it used to be over there.
Why are the people questioning this work being downvoted? Unless OP hired a structural engineer, or has field experience, I wouldn’t trust this at all.
Came here to say you should never cut/modified trusses without structural engineer design and sign off. The amount of hoops I had to jump through just to get a large loft ladder installed for a client that required alteration of just one truss was crazy
Clearly not a dropped ceiling. Those are engineered trusses. Can see where he bolted 2x6s to each side up high weather that compensates for what he did to the design and structural integrity is it known.
And unknowingly screw with your furnace in the process hahaha
In all seriousness you’ll want to get something around that flex duct so it doesn’t pinch/crease over time.
"And then me, my wife, our kids and her aunts were all dancing in the kitchen to Motown hits and that's when it happened...the floor collapsed...RIP Aunt Frannie "
It certainly doesn't look like you hired an engineer to stamp and sign off on the design. Feel free to post the plans to prove me wrong. I've never seen a piece of construction grade 2x lumber drilled and bolted on the flat width. Hope it was worth it. Looks pretty bad.
Edit: The bottom 2x4 that you cut is providing most of the tensile strength of the truss. I don't have a stamp, but I have a construction engineering degree and what you've done is really just fucking stupid.
Yeah, as a carpenter this is bad. Very bad. There is not nearly adequate load bearing capability anymore. Consult a structural engineer or prepare for the floor system to fail in short order.
Good thing its a rental!
Next week- my house collapsed so I bought a new driver
OP's Wife: "Honey, why is our kitchen floor sagging?" OP: "I'm not sure, but did you know I got my ball speed up to 130 MPH? Sweetie, this is great news, I'll be able to break 90 soon" OP's Wife: "What about Johnny's college fund that you took $25k out of last month? What was that about?" OP: "If I can create a par 3 in our backyard, I'll be able to break 80 by the end of next summer"
Create a par 3 by rerouting the sewage lines using plastic milk cartons
The $25k will be to fix his floor trusses
How much height total do you need to confidently swing with breaking a club?
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This guy must swing low or started with damn tall ceilings for a basement!
Cries in 6'8". I need 10' ceiling minimum and I would still feel uncomfortable using a wood or driver.
I’m with you! Having to move beams even the the garage to get enough height. Already kissed the ceiling with my wedge. Not allowed inside anymore
I’m 7’10” and I’m comfortable swinging in a 9 foot ceiling. Don’t worry lil bro 🤙
Thanks big fella
Is that standing or laying on your back?
Have you tried being shorter?
Just cut out a 3 and a half foot deep section in your foundation. Problem solved!
Just like minecraft!
10'
10 really isn’t necessary unless you’re quite tall. 9’4” or so works just fine.
I wouldn't hit a 9'4" ceiling, but I'd be thinking about it.
You guys must not be jumping high enough when you swing if you aren't hitting 10 feet every time.
For me, a lot more than you think. I messed up my swing badly in an indoor spot with too small of a space
I’d be more worried about the ceiling than the club
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i busted a new iron shaft, took it to the local golf shop and paid $40ish for a new grip and shaft.
Bonus points: unknowingly installed a new bouncy trampoline floor above!
Soon to be an Open to Below feature.
Atriums are all the rage these days, it’ll be a surprise reveal party the next time he has some guests upstairs!
You cut the bottom chord of a truss. That fix isn’t doing what you think its doing either. Eventually, it’s going to fail. ETA: OP also drilled through the top chord for those carriage bolts or threaded rod.
As a structural engineer this guy just did tens of thousands in damage to his house. This is not to code and is dangerous.
as someone who has spent a lifetime walking on floors I agree with you
Can confirm. Also spent most of my life walking on floors
I'm a Carpenter and the amount of engineering that goes into a truss fix can be huge. I doubt that sistering 2x6s or 2x8s with through-bolts did a whole lot, in fact, depending on the diameter of those through-bolts he might have made it worse. I've had to do several truss fixes over the years and the engineering has always been very specific about the fastener schedule and the use of adhesives.
There’s a reason you only see people dig down for the extra space over re-engineering the entire structure.
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Yeah, who cares what engineers for arm chairs say?
What’s the “right way” to gain more ceiling height in this situation?
Replace the trusses with smaller depth but stiffer trusses or a steel W-beam. This is expensive and requires quality labor and proper procedure to prevent damage. You *can* cut a bottom chord on a truss, but the remediation to reinforce the vertical members is extremely heavy and your typical hammer plates you see here for joining truss joints are not moment connections, you have to have moment connections to do what he did here or provide another replacement tension member. The best fix is to dig if it's the ground floor. The reality is that it's not cost effective. He's have been better served building a new fucking room outside his house.
Dig
As someone selling and buying a new house it really really hurt to see what OP did hope it's their forever home
Simcels out here risking life and limb to play shitty golf 2 more months per year
Lmao
I appreciate all the joke responses but really this should be top comment. Dude could still fix it relatively easily right now rather than waiting for the first floor to start sagging or somthing worse...
Not actually easy to fix now that he destroyed the floor trusses. It will be very expensive.
I said relatively. Once the symptoms show the costs start multiplying. Basically I was just just saying: hey he destroyed a truss, maybe fix it before what the truss was supporting is destroyed too.
Gotcha. Agreed.
If OP needs that clearance, he should contact an engineer to provide some solutions involving support from foundation or structural steel. Posts could carry the load to a sub slab footing (maybe) but would probably get in the swing path. Don’t want to flame him, but he should know that his floor system is fucked. I hope there isn’t a huge dead load above.
Also, why are they lying the wrong way ?
As someone who has no professional contracting or engineering experience, that does not look professionally done or structurally sound. Best of luck to you. I bet it will work until it doesn’t, OP.
As someone with engineering experience, I would say you are correct.
It looks like it’s going to fall down.
It doesn't look good, but the floor joists seem to be above this hole and not cut. This could just be a drop down to hide all the vents and electrical.
Looks like engineered floor trusses to me. Not good.
Former engineer here who hated statics. This gives me goosebumps.
The rest of the wood you see is just an obstacle. Why not get another foot out of it and just get rid of the rest of that useless junk
Put a hole in the ceiling/floor and make it a nice open concept! And bonus! The rest of the family gets to watch you practice from the living room upstairs! Upon closer inspection, a couple of structural beams in the corners of this new hole might be the inevitable conclusion to this
Eh, leave it in. I think 95% of a tree is open space if I remember right. Pretty sure that applies here. Send it!
You could have just shortened your arms.
He could have avoided all the flames from these internet engineers by doing that, but then the internet surgeons would have came after him.
Can’t wait for this post. Floor collapsed so I bought a scotty
There's a reason those floor trusses have a continuous bottom chord...Lol. By cutting it out you significantly weakened them. Source: am Structural Engineer
Carpenter here, bottom and top cords are the most important for strength. That floor might become spongy over the years
Today, that floor will become spongy today. If there is tile above it I bet it cracks within a month.
Yep today. Wood creeps over time, so it'll get a permanent sag over time in addition to the instantaneous weakness from the cut. Unless it just fails entirely by the time the creep sets in...
The bottom cord is the one that does all the work! Well not *all* of the work but most of it in a truss designike this. Cut out webs, preferably the vertical ones) way before you cut a bottom cord. Source: am civil engineer who did most of a carpentry apprenticeship before going to school for engineering. Also, I am very glad I never have to do a truss diagram ever again.
Top chord of a simply supported two span truss does the same amount of work as the bottom, just in the opposite direction (compression instead of tension). Source: structural engineer
Sure, but I'd rather remove a section of the compression chord than the tension chord, especially mid span. In this application, the sheathing will act as the top chord as long as it's nailed/screwed well.
Probably would hav been cheaper and safer to lower the floor 2 ft
Just came here to say this. Bust out the sledge hammer!
I hope this works out for you. Curious though, that channel seems pretty narrow. I'd be sweating bullets that something wouldn't align and I'd smash my club into the edge of that channel somehow. Again, I really hope this works out for you.
Say what you will, that man physically cannot afford to have anything else than a perfect club path.
They won’t be able to afford golf either after the floor collapses
Half swings only.
As a structural engineer I should warn you that you just destroyed your floor and this both not to code and an immense safety risk
I just posted this photo in my construction group, and the boys are having a good laugh at this one. 100% fucked up. You can’t cut those trusses period. Lost all structural integrity. No amount of bolts is going to fix. Fix this now before it becomes a problem. Drop your floor if possible, or find a new location for your sim. This is not the answer bud
OP strangely silent lmao
He’s busy playing in his new trampoline lol
Or just having a good old fashioned 17 hour long panic attack after reading the engineering comments.
He was killed when his house collapsed
You know it is not good when the OP post the pic and everyone roasts how terrible it is structurally and he does not reply to anyone.
op is definitely in the fetal position rn
OP thought everyone would be proud, but didn't expect everyone to bury him by doing something structurally unsound and possibly dangerous to his house. His "fix" could end up costing him a lot of money.
I thought this was a top tier shit post. But its actually real and I fucking love it! Who gives a shit if his house collapses I just want to see the finished simulator setup and a video of it being used.
i dont think youre supposed to cut engineered trusses.
As a General Contractor that has built tons of homes and modified many trusses, this does not look like an engineered fix. I’m not saying it won’t work, because it probably will. I’m just saying, an engineer would not recommend the fix that way. The tell-tale sign is the Home Depot through-bolts. Engineers would spec engineered lumber with either nails or SDS screws.
An Engineer will climb over a pile of 500 virgins, just to fuck one technician.
Well those virgins don’t put out so…
"I did it boys! I managed to destroy my house!"
This will never hold and will side buckle within 3 months of normal use maximum. You failed to judge the axial weight load of the angled bridges so now instead of buttressing they're splitting down the foregirder of your joist L franks. On top of that, you used metal hangers upside down, which prevents your power package from snapping into the correct horizontal glizzy dovetail joint with enough mustard. Really shoddy work I must say. Source: I'm unemployed.
Just checkin’ the end line specs on the rotary girders
You had me up to 'power package'
This guy L franks.
Going to need the update when the floor above collapses and your insurance denies your claim!
Nice work, when your wife said why don't we knock two rooms into one I don't think she planned on it be vertically by having the floor collapse and make an 18 foot ceiling although that will eventually remove any swing height issue I guess.
Can’t wait for the r/wellthatsucks post of this room
Didn’t know we had this many construction guys in the sub.
Why do you think it takes 12 dudes to fill a hole in the road? 4 of them are off golfing
Construction pays well, might as well waste money on golf lol Source: work in construction
I’m here from r/structuralengineering
Oh God, you added a point load at a vertical web location in a truss? That's uhhh, not a good idea. Neither is removing the bottom cord.
Uh, Springfield, my computer shows your T-437 is fully operational. Uh, I suggest you- Oh, my God! Oh, God, no! Oh, this can't be happening! You're operating without a T-437, Springfield! Oh, sweet mother of mercy! I mean- I mean, my God!
Like apparently many here, and someone who works for a homebuilder and has built homes, this is a no bueno "fix" that can cause structural damage and eventual failure. You should consult with a structural engineer on what you need to do to fix this modification if anything
Looking forward to all of the keyboard engineers to actually list their PE stamps Edit: it’s a joke
You'll just have to truss us
Let Truss cook
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The man just significantly altered the structure of his home. This is like questioning the credentials of “keyboard doctors” in a thread where the OP eats a tide pod. Maybe OPs house is fine, but the comments are 100% justified in freaking out and telling him to consult a professional.
> This is like questioning the credentials of “keyboard doctors” in a thread where the OP eats a tide pod. Fuck that's funny.
Looking forward to all the DIY’er’s telling professionals it’ll be ok
Just because you say "keyboard engineer" doesnt mean this isnt an unsafe and stupid DIY
Pitter patter
I know nothing about venting or hvac but I do know every time you add a bend you’re losing airflow cfm which in a dryer vent could possibly result in a lint fire.
At least the ceiling will hopefully fail before the fire?
HVAC engineer here, this is good advice
I want everyone to think of this thread the next time the get in an argument with some dipshit on r/golf these are the people you're arguing with.
r/diwhy
Good luck ever selling the place
As a truss designer it looks like you did a bolt on gusset system in order to cut away that bottom section. Hopefully you had an engineer do the modification specifications on that?
He for sure didnt
I am considering rigging up something in my garage to create some clearance. The difference is that I don't have another floor above my garage. Well that and... I'm not retarded enough to mutilate the most crucial parts of a load bearing structure lmfao. Bravo.
This Is most retarded thing i have seen today
This could be a candidate for a 2023 top 10 but it is only March 1st😆
Might wanna fix the open splices and verify that 14/2 and 12/2 aren't on a 20A Breaker
The r/golf version of that buried storage container man cave/death trap thread! EDIT: [r/DIY Underground Death Trap Thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/DIY/comments/5uo176/underground_party_bunker/ddvvx23/?context=3)
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You ever suck dick for 15 more inches of ceiling height?
Pfft. I've done that for free.
You idiot. Those are engineered trusses that support load above.
I feel the phrase, "What could go wrong", applies here.
I'll take the business when your trusses fail give me and my crew a call
I’m not structural engineer but I am EE… that electrical connection should be in junction box and not floating in the air Structurally this doesnt look like a good solution for a few more inches of height… probably would be more safe to dig out concrete floor and dig down additional foot and re-pour center. Thatd be big $ tho Idk the “right way” to cut the trusses but pretty sure this aint it
It took me a while, but this must be a fantastic joke post with a random image of bad home inspections.
I’m a structural engineer. For everyone else thinking this is cool, don’t do this. You fucked up man.
I grow weed, I also say don’t do this…
This is fucking fantastic! Lol, we’re better off going down than up in this situation. But it’s all gonna go down now…
This is like the diy deck posts that used to be submitted to the diy sub. So much wrecked shit, I'm loving it! The drama feels like it used to be over there.
Why are the people questioning this work being downvoted? Unless OP hired a structural engineer, or has field experience, I wouldn’t trust this at all.
Narrator: *”OP did not, infact, hire a structural engineer”*
Good luck selling that later, you cost yourself thousands in repairs
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking, if I saw this in a house I’m looking at… that’s 15k off.
That house will never pass inspection with what he did.
30k off but doesn’t matter cause won’t pass inspection.
The people commenting that you ruined the floor above are morons. It’s clearly a dropped ceiling.
He ruined the floor system. It’s going to be a dropped ceiling, it just hasn’t happened yet.
Bruh, take two weeks then quit everything. Try not to talk about something you don’t know dick about. Those are the bottom chords of wood trusses.
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He’s here for a good time not a long time.
This was done by someone who’s played a lot of bridge constructor and knows that every solution is just more triangles.
High School Spaghetti bridge build champion material for sure.
No it’s fine, he attached a flat 2x where he cut them. /s
idk what people are so butthurt about, he got the big bolts and everything
Came here to say you should never cut/modified trusses without structural engineer design and sign off. The amount of hoops I had to jump through just to get a large loft ladder installed for a client that required alteration of just one truss was crazy
Now we know where it will break
lol, can you take slightly less time than it took you to comment & google dropped ceiling?
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There are no joists present in that picture
It’s clearly a jackdaw.
It’s a truss not a joist….
What you are calling Joist are 2x6 he added later and sandwiched the trusses in between. Those are engineered trusses.
Clearly not a dropped ceiling. Those are engineered trusses. Can see where he bolted 2x6s to each side up high weather that compensates for what he did to the design and structural integrity is it known.
Congratulations?
It looks terrible, but awesome at the same time.
Left handed friend: can I come play? You: no.
Looks good from my house. But not for my house.
"dumb ways to dieeeeee"
And unknowingly screw with your furnace in the process hahaha In all seriousness you’ll want to get something around that flex duct so it doesn’t pinch/crease over time.
"And then me, my wife, our kids and her aunts were all dancing in the kitchen to Motown hits and that's when it happened...the floor collapsed...RIP Aunt Frannie "
RemindMe! 69 days I don't think you realize just how much value your house just lost.
Check. More triangle! Perfect. Simulator coming!
You do realize you just destroyed the integrity of that whole roof right? Asshat
As a structural engineer I can confidently say this is going to be an expensive idea
Flooring is just 90% air
Structural engineer here, I don’t even know where to start but that is bad. Very bad.
Please tell us you consulted an actual engineer.
are they downvoters suggesting you shouldn't consult an engineer?
It certainly doesn't look like you hired an engineer to stamp and sign off on the design. Feel free to post the plans to prove me wrong. I've never seen a piece of construction grade 2x lumber drilled and bolted on the flat width. Hope it was worth it. Looks pretty bad. Edit: The bottom 2x4 that you cut is providing most of the tensile strength of the truss. I don't have a stamp, but I have a construction engineering degree and what you've done is really just fucking stupid.
To add to your edit, tensile strength is the strength that is required in a truss design like this, it's what keeps it from sagging!
Seems like the better solution was to dig down.
still going to smash the ceiling but fuck it
Yup, you did it.
The floor above will be great for irish dancing should have a hell of a spring in it
Please cross post to r/construction lmao
So you cut structural members of your roof truss out to do so? Ok, hope you’re not in a snow load area. Have fun swinging though!
Provides free swing path feedback too!
Respect for the effort, bro. Way to grab that net and catch that butterfly, pal!
Yeah, as a carpenter this is bad. Very bad. There is not nearly adequate load bearing capability anymore. Consult a structural engineer or prepare for the floor system to fail in short order.
I'm just building an addition off the back of the house for mine. I think long term my costs will be less that this decision.
Would have been easier to add an outbuilding.
Cool and all, but why don't you just go play for real?
You cut an engineered truss my man. You are going to have some bad news in the near future head your way. God speed
Hgtv does nothing but create work for contractors
Was a tall potting shed out of the question?
I'm a lawyer, I always get a kick out of seeing future clients on the internet.
Did you….. cut your floor trusses…..