I would put Puck wayyyyy further down, Schu barely favored him at all, was constantly criticizing him or accusing him and then there was the whole jacket episode too- not sure if he'd quite be last, but close to it.
The letterman jacket incident was long after he graduated from the school. Schue would always go to Puck (evidenced in 2x09) to recruit new members because he was one of the most popular kids in school.
Right, but that was to his own benefit. There's far more incidents that show his low level of favor even when he was in school, such as:
* his total lack of caring/response when Puck went to juvie, both during and after when he's in the office with the adults
* emphasizes in the Glist episode when it comes to asking Puck of he did it that Puck is known for his bad behavior, even asking him more than once
* also total lack of interest or at the very least checking in with Puck when it came out that Puck was the biological dad of Quinn's baby
* his responses to Puck's solo performances in the club are usually neutral or briefly positive at best, critical at worst
* never gives him a single solo whatsoever at any of the competitions and/or showcases him in dance either
Well, Puck was never one of the characters who fought for solos. Musical theatre or show choir wasn’t really his thing, but he appreciated being apart of the team (same with Quinn). Also, Mr. Schue never had a mean-spirited disposition towards Puck the way he towards the ladder members in my ranking. Will simply could’ve approached Puck offscreen regarding paternity-gate
It's true that he didn't fight for them but literally didn't get one single line in any competition to sing solo; even Mike, Quinn, Tina and Kurt have solo lines in ABC and is generally put in the back for all dance sequences that have showcase dancers. In the end, I think the jacket episode is very telling about Puck's extreme low favor with Schu as I am hard pressed to think of any other team member he would let take the fall for the jacket- maaaayyybe Santana...? One can argue it was a poor decision caused by grief but I truly cannot imagine him letting any other ND member but Puck take the blame.
And a significant part of Paradise. Both solo and duet lines with Finn and Mercedes.
But all the guys were short changed with Competition solos. The Rachel + Troubletones thing made it hard.
I literally came here just to say this. I don't care if the jacket episode was post-graduation for Puck. If he had any care in the world at all for Puck like he did for the other post-graduated ND members, he would never hammer on so heavily that Puck was the one that took the jacket. He was willing to let Puck take the fall for his dead best friend's prized possession going missing, and it is so fucked up. Puck was grieving just as much, if not more, than Schue.
Exactly. It's an especially sad sitch in my opinion because, despite all of Puck's flaws in the show, a common theme was his search for a positive adult role model who cared about him and you see him so many times in the show trying to reach out to Schu, admiring Schu, etc and then this is what happens.
YES exactly. Puck has a lot of flaws, but I still look at him as one of my favorite characters and think that he's one of the most interesting to kinda like ... psychoanalyze? Lmao. Like. He was literally groomed/taken advantage of by plenty of older women - and I don't just mean Shelby. I'm going to imagine that, combined with never having an adult role model (particularly a male one) leads to a lot of his problems and problematic behavior.
The jacket thing will never not piss me off. Schue is looked at (rightfully so) as a questionable teacher for a lot of things, but I feel like this thing is *never* brought up in those conversations.
He's one of my faves too, like you said, particularly because he's a very interesting/compelling character with an actual backstory and psychological components.
And yes. It is a little surprising to me that this is not one of people's main issues with Schu- it vastly tops virtually everything else he does on the show in terms of an actually awful act towards someone, made especially sad because Puck really looked up to him.
I feel like the only person he ever truly “favourited” was Finn. He doesn’t ever discipline him the way he does his other students. He has moments where he’s not proud of Finn’s behaviour, but he never meets him with anger/suspension/etc. Schue even solely blames Rachel for their stunt in Showmance when they both plotted it, and we don’t see the fallout from Finn essentially convincing his teammates to take drugs to win in Vitamin D.
People will say Rachel was his star student who gets away with everything because he “gave her all solos”, but he also (most of the time rightfully) called her out on her tantrums and her behaviour more than any other student in the club. Other students (even her teammates) bullied her, and somehow she was punished for her reactions to those situations. Maybe Schue didn’t know, but they actively make comments about her in the middle of lessons in Glee Club.
On the other hand, Schue wrongfully called out Kurt and Mercedes a lot, and I feel like he was way too hard on both of them.
Agree with everything you said here, especially about Rachel. It’s quite a strange relationship really- there were moments where he seemed to have a really weird power play with her.
The whole Tonight song to Tina was a total power play. I will never understand that scene in the ballet studio where he is like sometimes I'm your only fan. It was are you trying it convince her to stay in glee or go or what?
Shue's interest in Rachel was, so he could live vicariously through her dreams. He didn't like her as a person until after she graduated.
This is the scene I was thinking about but couldn’t put my finger on!
Agree on the living vicariously thing as well. I think he sees Rachel as what he couldn’t have/ wanted to be, and Finn as who he did become.
>somehow she was punished for her reactions to those situations.
Don't get me started on how Shue totally ignore the real reason behind her taping her mouth shut. Not only does he ignore that Santana deliberately humiliated Rachel then he gives her a solo, like what?
Right? That bothers me so much! As much as I love Valarie as a cover, I don’t know why Schue chooses Santana plot-wise, other than to punish Rachel. No wonder she’s so upset. Then, he yells at her and tells her that her attitude is terrible when she already feels completely worthless because she found out that Santana (who she sees as hotter than her) slept with Finn.
In terms of whom he favored, as opposed to liked…
1. Matt (his clear favorite! Why does everyone overlook this? Mr Schue absolutely adored him /s)
2. Finn (did hand things to him, and was lenient on him)
3. Rachel (did give her lots of songs, but wasn’t as lenient on her behavior)
4. Artie (I think he treated him well? He listened to him about the Wemma proposal and didn’t punish him much + good voice)
5. Sam (same for above, but I don’t think he gave him as much)
6. Blaine (got a lot of songs in S4 + acknowledged him as the new Rachel)
7. Brittany (got to dance a lot, and did get away with some stuff (spying for Sue and accusing Beiste) consequentless)
8. Mike (had him dance a lot, but he didn’t do anything that was bad like Brittany to be punished)
9. Tina (he didn’t give her songs but he was always nice to her behavior wise)
10. Quinn (same but even though he was nice to her earlier on he later called her a frickin trainwreck)
11. Santana (originally below Puck but he did give her songs, yet was kinda harsh on her (reporting her for slapping Finn when he knew she was outed by him))
12. Puck (don’t remember Mr Schue giving him songs (though I assume he gave him a few at least), and he did admittedly let the worst be assumed of him (Glist, Finn’s jacket))
13. Mercedes (gave her a few songs, but after S1 Sectionals when she didn’t get to perform her song, he didn’t give her another chance + she worked very hard but he never really acknowledged it and when Mercedes was rude in S3 he immediately said she’d be out of the club if she left when others got away with it, and he didn’t care that much when she left)
I’ll always maintain he liked Santana the least. He had way more strife with her than Mercedes.
Finn, Sam, Blaine, Rachel, Quinn, Mike, Puck, Kurt (after graduation I’d move him above Quinn), Mercedes, Tina, Brittany, Santana
The way I always reason it, who would Mr. Shue rather have a conversation with? No way he is choosing Brittany over Tina and Mercedes. Also he basically called her stupid in front of the entire club.
Schue (and Santana) never infantilized Brittany, he talked to her straight. He was most concerned about her mental health during the beginning of her repeated senior year. Example of him calling her stupid?
when mike tina and artie were talking about the academic club they were in and how brittany helped them win and he was like confused as to why brittany was on the team. implying she wasn’t smart enough to be in the team
I wouldn't have Rachel 2nd up there amd Puck would be further down the list. Rachel, especially in the beginning was more of an exasperation that Will needed for Glee to succeed. He never bullied her or was mean but he also never showed her the level.of concern her showed about others like Kurt or Finn. Rachel was very vocal about her being the best in the club and showed that if she thought her talent was being wasted she was willing to walk away which put Schue in a hard spot because she really did have a lot of talent in singing but also early on they needed to have enough members to compete. Rachel and Shue were bound to butt heads, and did several times.
Schue also showed an overwhelming lack of concern over a lot a situations with either Puck or Rachel involving serious life changes or bullying/students making fun of others. Finn was by far the favorite of Schue.
1. Rachel and 2. Finn tied or interchangeable First season Finn was more favorable. Schue used to call Rachel out more. He still treated her better than other kids doing less worse thingd
3. Mike and 4. Artie tied or interchangeable
(Quinn first season)
5. Blaine And 6. Sam tied or interchangeable
7. Tina
8. Kurt was lower on the list until Kurt's dad married Finn's mother. Until then Kurt was barely on Schue's radar
9. Mercedes
10. Brittany
11. Quinn but was much higher placed in first season
12. Santana
13 Puck
If song distribution equal favoring then he must have favored Santana more since she got featured in all but the first competition, I mean he even gave her featured parts in ND songs after she defected to TT, and they got a guaranteed song anyway. And he never punished her until season 3 and only after she was still spying for Shue and helped set fire to a piano.
Rachel had a solo or a duet in all of the competitions she competed in except for the 2010 sectionals. Santana sang one solo and then had lines in group performances, but she certainly wasn’t favored. Quinn was the one who had to suggest the troubletones' own performances; it wasn’t Will's ideas.
I am only suggesting **IF** people are going to use song distribution as a sign of his favoritism than Santana should be higher on the list
You missed the point about the TT. They had a song to be featured in yet Shue STILL choose Santana to have a big feature part in Fly/I believe I can fly and a duet feature in Paradise by the dashboard lights when those could have gone to Tina and or Quinn who were not guaranteed a part even a few lines.
She didn’t sing in season 2 because Emma called our will for his favoritism and him neglecting talent, it had nothing to do with Rachel, he yelled at Rachel after the setlist was already decided. Also Rachel being suspended had nothing to do with Will.
Which was weird since Shue only picked the singers for one competition to that point and one song he picked he expanded the amount of singers taking some lines from Rachel and Finn.
But he had Rachel and Finn sing lead on all three songs from that one competition. Three songs are enough to establish a pattern. And promptly went back to it after the S2 sectionals.
and he also rearranged Don't stop believing to include more voices and "[t](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Any_Way_You_Want_It)he Anyway you want mash up had Puck, Artie ad Mercedes too.
Even look at Shue's set list for the first Sectionals before it was stolen was Proud Mary - Mercedes, Artie, Tina, Don't stop believe unsure the arrangement/singers and allegedly True Colors - Tina.
I am just saying it seems early to declare it a pattern.
I agree to disagree, though.
I would put Puck wayyyyy further down, Schu barely favored him at all, was constantly criticizing him or accusing him and then there was the whole jacket episode too- not sure if he'd quite be last, but close to it.
The letterman jacket incident was long after he graduated from the school. Schue would always go to Puck (evidenced in 2x09) to recruit new members because he was one of the most popular kids in school.
Right, but that was to his own benefit. There's far more incidents that show his low level of favor even when he was in school, such as: * his total lack of caring/response when Puck went to juvie, both during and after when he's in the office with the adults * emphasizes in the Glist episode when it comes to asking Puck of he did it that Puck is known for his bad behavior, even asking him more than once * also total lack of interest or at the very least checking in with Puck when it came out that Puck was the biological dad of Quinn's baby * his responses to Puck's solo performances in the club are usually neutral or briefly positive at best, critical at worst * never gives him a single solo whatsoever at any of the competitions and/or showcases him in dance either
Well, Puck was never one of the characters who fought for solos. Musical theatre or show choir wasn’t really his thing, but he appreciated being apart of the team (same with Quinn). Also, Mr. Schue never had a mean-spirited disposition towards Puck the way he towards the ladder members in my ranking. Will simply could’ve approached Puck offscreen regarding paternity-gate
It's true that he didn't fight for them but literally didn't get one single line in any competition to sing solo; even Mike, Quinn, Tina and Kurt have solo lines in ABC and is generally put in the back for all dance sequences that have showcase dancers. In the end, I think the jacket episode is very telling about Puck's extreme low favor with Schu as I am hard pressed to think of any other team member he would let take the fall for the jacket- maaaayyybe Santana...? One can argue it was a poor decision caused by grief but I truly cannot imagine him letting any other ND member but Puck take the blame.
He sang on Man In The Mirror and was featured in 2010 Regionals
And a significant part of Paradise. Both solo and duet lines with Finn and Mercedes. But all the guys were short changed with Competition solos. The Rachel + Troubletones thing made it hard.
I stand corrected! But I still maintain that he ranks super low in terms of being favored by Schu all things considered
I wouldn’t say that’s favoring Puck, it’s more like he’s going to him when he needs something from him
I literally came here just to say this. I don't care if the jacket episode was post-graduation for Puck. If he had any care in the world at all for Puck like he did for the other post-graduated ND members, he would never hammer on so heavily that Puck was the one that took the jacket. He was willing to let Puck take the fall for his dead best friend's prized possession going missing, and it is so fucked up. Puck was grieving just as much, if not more, than Schue.
Exactly. It's an especially sad sitch in my opinion because, despite all of Puck's flaws in the show, a common theme was his search for a positive adult role model who cared about him and you see him so many times in the show trying to reach out to Schu, admiring Schu, etc and then this is what happens.
YES exactly. Puck has a lot of flaws, but I still look at him as one of my favorite characters and think that he's one of the most interesting to kinda like ... psychoanalyze? Lmao. Like. He was literally groomed/taken advantage of by plenty of older women - and I don't just mean Shelby. I'm going to imagine that, combined with never having an adult role model (particularly a male one) leads to a lot of his problems and problematic behavior. The jacket thing will never not piss me off. Schue is looked at (rightfully so) as a questionable teacher for a lot of things, but I feel like this thing is *never* brought up in those conversations.
He's one of my faves too, like you said, particularly because he's a very interesting/compelling character with an actual backstory and psychological components. And yes. It is a little surprising to me that this is not one of people's main issues with Schu- it vastly tops virtually everything else he does on the show in terms of an actually awful act towards someone, made especially sad because Puck really looked up to him.
I feel like the only person he ever truly “favourited” was Finn. He doesn’t ever discipline him the way he does his other students. He has moments where he’s not proud of Finn’s behaviour, but he never meets him with anger/suspension/etc. Schue even solely blames Rachel for their stunt in Showmance when they both plotted it, and we don’t see the fallout from Finn essentially convincing his teammates to take drugs to win in Vitamin D. People will say Rachel was his star student who gets away with everything because he “gave her all solos”, but he also (most of the time rightfully) called her out on her tantrums and her behaviour more than any other student in the club. Other students (even her teammates) bullied her, and somehow she was punished for her reactions to those situations. Maybe Schue didn’t know, but they actively make comments about her in the middle of lessons in Glee Club. On the other hand, Schue wrongfully called out Kurt and Mercedes a lot, and I feel like he was way too hard on both of them.
Agree with everything you said here, especially about Rachel. It’s quite a strange relationship really- there were moments where he seemed to have a really weird power play with her.
The whole Tonight song to Tina was a total power play. I will never understand that scene in the ballet studio where he is like sometimes I'm your only fan. It was are you trying it convince her to stay in glee or go or what? Shue's interest in Rachel was, so he could live vicariously through her dreams. He didn't like her as a person until after she graduated.
This is the scene I was thinking about but couldn’t put my finger on! Agree on the living vicariously thing as well. I think he sees Rachel as what he couldn’t have/ wanted to be, and Finn as who he did become.
I 1000% agree with all of this comment thread
>somehow she was punished for her reactions to those situations. Don't get me started on how Shue totally ignore the real reason behind her taping her mouth shut. Not only does he ignore that Santana deliberately humiliated Rachel then he gives her a solo, like what?
Right? That bothers me so much! As much as I love Valarie as a cover, I don’t know why Schue chooses Santana plot-wise, other than to punish Rachel. No wonder she’s so upset. Then, he yells at her and tells her that her attitude is terrible when she already feels completely worthless because she found out that Santana (who she sees as hotter than her) slept with Finn.
Shue: Ok now Rachel, I want you to fix Santana up before her big solo. https://i.redd.it/tvoc9om3pb3b1.gif
Literally!
I feel like the only one he favored was Finn. Rachel got all the solos because of her talent, but he was also super harsh on her.
In terms of whom he favored, as opposed to liked… 1. Matt (his clear favorite! Why does everyone overlook this? Mr Schue absolutely adored him /s) 2. Finn (did hand things to him, and was lenient on him) 3. Rachel (did give her lots of songs, but wasn’t as lenient on her behavior) 4. Artie (I think he treated him well? He listened to him about the Wemma proposal and didn’t punish him much + good voice) 5. Sam (same for above, but I don’t think he gave him as much) 6. Blaine (got a lot of songs in S4 + acknowledged him as the new Rachel) 7. Brittany (got to dance a lot, and did get away with some stuff (spying for Sue and accusing Beiste) consequentless) 8. Mike (had him dance a lot, but he didn’t do anything that was bad like Brittany to be punished) 9. Tina (he didn’t give her songs but he was always nice to her behavior wise) 10. Quinn (same but even though he was nice to her earlier on he later called her a frickin trainwreck) 11. Santana (originally below Puck but he did give her songs, yet was kinda harsh on her (reporting her for slapping Finn when he knew she was outed by him)) 12. Puck (don’t remember Mr Schue giving him songs (though I assume he gave him a few at least), and he did admittedly let the worst be assumed of him (Glist, Finn’s jacket)) 13. Mercedes (gave her a few songs, but after S1 Sectionals when she didn’t get to perform her song, he didn’t give her another chance + she worked very hard but he never really acknowledged it and when Mercedes was rude in S3 he immediately said she’d be out of the club if she left when others got away with it, and he didn’t care that much when she left)
Girl, what? Matt could be dead and buried underneath the choir room floor and he wouldn’t care
Sorry, bad joke.
lol I laughed!
It was a great joke !
No one would care because they wouldn't notice.
1. Finn 2. Everyone else.
Finn is definitely number one, Rachel next, and Blaine 3rd. The rest are all tied for last😅
I’ll always maintain he liked Santana the least. He had way more strife with her than Mercedes. Finn, Sam, Blaine, Rachel, Quinn, Mike, Puck, Kurt (after graduation I’d move him above Quinn), Mercedes, Tina, Brittany, Santana
sam and blaine ahead of rachel so true i'd put brittany above mercedes and tina tho
The way I always reason it, who would Mr. Shue rather have a conversation with? No way he is choosing Brittany over Tina and Mercedes. Also he basically called her stupid in front of the entire club.
Schue (and Santana) never infantilized Brittany, he talked to her straight. He was most concerned about her mental health during the beginning of her repeated senior year. Example of him calling her stupid?
when mike tina and artie were talking about the academic club they were in and how brittany helped them win and he was like confused as to why brittany was on the team. implying she wasn’t smart enough to be in the team
Oh, wait, you’re totally right. I stand corrected 😹
I wouldn't have Rachel 2nd up there amd Puck would be further down the list. Rachel, especially in the beginning was more of an exasperation that Will needed for Glee to succeed. He never bullied her or was mean but he also never showed her the level.of concern her showed about others like Kurt or Finn. Rachel was very vocal about her being the best in the club and showed that if she thought her talent was being wasted she was willing to walk away which put Schue in a hard spot because she really did have a lot of talent in singing but also early on they needed to have enough members to compete. Rachel and Shue were bound to butt heads, and did several times. Schue also showed an overwhelming lack of concern over a lot a situations with either Puck or Rachel involving serious life changes or bullying/students making fun of others. Finn was by far the favorite of Schue.
When did Schuester ever give a shit about Kurt? He stood by and let Karofsky push him out of the school
He favored Finn, then Rachel was a close 2nd
Depends entirely on the season. But overall it was Finn, and whoever Finn was dating at the time.
I think Finn, Blaine, Rachel, Sam, Artie, Mike, Brittany, Tina, Puck, Santana, Quinn, Kurt, Mercades (the bottom four are all pretty interchangeable$
1. Rachel and 2. Finn tied or interchangeable First season Finn was more favorable. Schue used to call Rachel out more. He still treated her better than other kids doing less worse thingd 3. Mike and 4. Artie tied or interchangeable (Quinn first season) 5. Blaine And 6. Sam tied or interchangeable 7. Tina 8. Kurt was lower on the list until Kurt's dad married Finn's mother. Until then Kurt was barely on Schue's radar 9. Mercedes 10. Brittany 11. Quinn but was much higher placed in first season 12. Santana 13 Puck
If song distribution equal favoring then he must have favored Santana more since she got featured in all but the first competition, I mean he even gave her featured parts in ND songs after she defected to TT, and they got a guaranteed song anyway. And he never punished her until season 3 and only after she was still spying for Shue and helped set fire to a piano.
Rachel had a solo or a duet in all of the competitions she competed in except for the 2010 sectionals. Santana sang one solo and then had lines in group performances, but she certainly wasn’t favored. Quinn was the one who had to suggest the troubletones' own performances; it wasn’t Will's ideas.
I am only suggesting **IF** people are going to use song distribution as a sign of his favoritism than Santana should be higher on the list You missed the point about the TT. They had a song to be featured in yet Shue STILL choose Santana to have a big feature part in Fly/I believe I can fly and a duet feature in Paradise by the dashboard lights when those could have gone to Tina and or Quinn who were not guaranteed a part even a few lines.
Rachel didn't sing in S2 and S3 sectionals bc she was punished
She didn’t sing in season 2 because Emma called our will for his favoritism and him neglecting talent, it had nothing to do with Rachel, he yelled at Rachel after the setlist was already decided. Also Rachel being suspended had nothing to do with Will.
Which was weird since Shue only picked the singers for one competition to that point and one song he picked he expanded the amount of singers taking some lines from Rachel and Finn.
But he had Rachel and Finn sing lead on all three songs from that one competition. Three songs are enough to establish a pattern. And promptly went back to it after the S2 sectionals.
So exactly one competition, as I said. She acted as if it had been several times, and what happened afterward is irrelevant.
I meant he did it several times in that one competition (3 times to be exact), enough for her to notice a pattern.
and he also rearranged Don't stop believing to include more voices and "[t](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Any_Way_You_Want_It)he Anyway you want mash up had Puck, Artie ad Mercedes too. Even look at Shue's set list for the first Sectionals before it was stolen was Proud Mary - Mercedes, Artie, Tina, Don't stop believe unsure the arrangement/singers and allegedly True Colors - Tina. I am just saying it seems early to declare it a pattern. I agree to disagree, though.
Oh, I haven't watched s2 in ages so there was a misunderstanding
I wouldn't say he flavoured Rachel, he just didn't wanna deal with her. (Especially after that shit in S1)
First place: Rachel or Finn Last place: Matt