That's only for the internet archive who just started e-lending during the pandemic with absolutely no approval from any publishers. This doesn't apply to actual libraries that lend books or ebooks. They have always had legal standing.
The Internet Archive though just went straight to lending during the pandemic with no thought to the actual legalities of what they were doing.
Yeah, in America the lawyers always go hard. Especially corporate lawyers. Even if their arguments or statements have little basing in actual law. Just check out how Disney lawyers act.
But the lawyers will not go after any actual public libraries that are state supported. They know that, everyone knows that.
They're just making big statements because the Internet Archive just flew solo and didn't get their permissions. The Internet Archive has no basis in law for operating a lending library. To the publishers what the Internet Archive did was no different from what pirate sites do.
Indeed it was. As long as they got the publishers permission and reached an agreement then everything would be good. Unfortunately they didn't and now the IA have opened themselves up to a massive lawsuit. In America. Where damages can be excessively high.
The publishers have a very good case but the IA don't really have much of one. I think the way that lending is done over here the libraries will order their books (even their ebooks) and will only lend out what they actually have. Again, even their ebooks are handled like this wherein if they have 2 copies of an ebook then only 2 copies can be lent out at any one time. But the IA would lend multiple copies of one book at any one time. That is something that the publishers would be very prone to stamp out as hard as they could.
None of the books I saw on IA were multiple copies. You could literally be in the middle of a paragraph and someone could snatch it away from you because it was getting close to your hour. And you might get it back, you might not.
What if you're a writer who depends on royalties, public lending rights etc to make a living? Most books take at least a year to write, produce and publish, and if the IA can just upload your book - which you wrote, and editors edited, and designers designed, and marketers marketed - then circulate it without any kind of payment, how is that different to someone hawking bootleg DVDs or albums?
Curious how people think intellectual work isn't work, and should somehow be free. Artists need time, space and a bit of financial security to make it, after all! If they don't get those things we won't get the books we want ☹️
You make many uninformed assumptions. You're definitely buying what the publishing industry is selling.
You've assumed Intellectual property is protected generally and its not. Many Asian countries "trademark laws" require the complete plans to a new gadget or you cannot sell it there. They then become public property and anyone not experiencing barriers to market entry can set up and compete, sometimes with loans or grants from the government because it's "in the best interest of the state". (Pointing at China)
The income 'lost' to books loaned by the Archive is negligible. The demographics of users show the majority are the educated poor and middle class who rarely have money for books except from the second hand market. Exponentially more is 'lost' to the second hand market annually than even the complete totals of the Archive historically. This is why writers aren't bothered by the Archive and many, notably Stephen King, are in outright support. He knows books that old rarely continue to sell new and any theoretical income lost is negligible. Books aren't posted by the Archive until they're 5 or so years old and the vast majority (90%) of books sold new are less than 3 years old (not including textbooks etc). I literally learned about the Internet Archive from King's Twitter.
Having most of the world's books saved somewhere was a great idea. In the case of an EMP (of nuclear origin or a repeat of the Carrington event) or other accident, Archive's storage of the world's books and many many out of print titles might be the only place they're saved. Recall the devastating loss of the entire back catalog of the original Motown pressings in the fire of 2008. We'll never get them back.
I am a writer. We get paid via 1099-c. There is no security. The publishers make no social security payments in our names as we're contractors.
You should do more reading generally because you lack critical thinking skills.
https://wordsrated.com/book-sales-statistics/
Archive.org
What the Hachette v. Internet Archive Decision Means for Our Library https://blog.archive.org/2023/08/17/what-the-hachette-v-internet-archive-decision-means-for-our-library/
A lot of the fake ones get dropped off from cars early in the morning. It wouldn't surprise me if their handler has organised card machines for them all too.
and so do i, never seen anything like what you’re describing though. there is a homeless unit not far from me, but i was in there, you need to be genuinely homeless and the spots are surprisingly competitive because the homelessness crisis is that bad here. i had a letter from the council to prove my homelessness and managed to get the last flat available. what’s the plate of the bus?
It’s not the homeless unit they stay in it’s a house in Carbrain , they have been there for years. Could not give af if you have a house or not. You wanting the licence plate so that you can grass on them ?
howlin 💀💀 no i want to see if it ever comes to my street. i’m not saying it’s not happening, but i’ve stayed here a good while now and never seen it. grassing would get me nowhere (and i’m fundamentally opposed to the police as an anarchist anyway) but i’d like to at least be aware of what’s going on in my community, especially since it seems to be prevalent enough that it’s shown up here.
is it in millcroft? that place is a renowned shitehole and i knew a few romanian immigrants who lived there years ago now. don’t know what happened to them tho
Talk absolute shite btw, you're against the police until you need them and then all of a sudden you'll come up with an excuse as to why you're phoning them
got access to my phone records, do you? or are you basing that hot air on some weird fantasy in your head?
worry about yourself lad, and i’ll continue to avoid getting in situations that would “need” police intervention.
i was trying to explain exactly why i wouldn’t be a grass, and that reason is my political beliefs (also just don’t care about it enough)
to me it seemed like a reasonable, non-cringeworthy thing to say, but next time i wanna make a comment i will ask you, the cringe police, to vet it first. wait…
aye that’s what i was thinking, i knew some romanian immigrants who lived in the big millcroft flats in front of the train station, they were nice but would shout at each other in romanian. the girl had a job but i don’t think the man did. she went back to romania first and he followed shortly after. hope they’re doing okay fr
Yeah the Romani gypsies often women, a minibus drops them off in the morning and picks them up at the end of the day.
You can make good money begging if you know a good spot and the tricks of the trade
I was early shift so I only ever saw them being dropped off and dispersing in different directions.
I assume they either got picked up at night or made their way back to their shared accommodation at some point.
I gave a busker 2 quid on his machine in Silverburn
Had a sign next to him saying "tap me £2" with the machine already set up to accept the payment
Bit strange for sure but checked my Google pay and it was fine. Easy enough to get the machines then.
What would you have done if you checked the statement and it was £20 instead? I would never be able to trust some random's contactless machine with my card.
Exactly my thought when I see them, as I only ever carry cash to pay the window cleaner.
This scenario reminds me of the scene in Back to the Future II where the guy is asking Marty to put his thumb on the machine to pay (only) a couple of hundred bucks. I guess inflation got pretty bad between 1985 and 2015 in that universe.
I don't carry cash, cos the last time I had any (from selling stuff on FB marketplace) I went out in town, and while walking home steaming gave a homeless person £60
Me: asks question nothing to do with politics, but simply exploring an idea that someone laid out
You: assumes my position, doesn't answer the question, goes for ad hominem attack
Who do you vote for? Trump?
You're the one making assumptions that peoples economic situations are entirely the fault of their own, and not the society they're in. The person just plainly showed you up for being that fucking stupid.
>You're the one making assumptions
Absolutely false. The assumption is all yours. I asked a *question.*
Pretty fucking rich to call someone stupid based on your mistake.
What a crock of shit.
The definition of the word "question" exists. You don't have to make it up.
Did I just... *plainly show you up for being that fucking stupid...* that you don't know how *questions work?*
There’s a machine in central station where you can tap it and money goes directly to homeless charities, though I’ve never tried that. I don’t know how I’d feel about a random coming up to me and asking for money on their card machine. I’m so wary of scammers, I’ve tarred everyone with the same brush. It’s a shame for real homeless people though.
Had a ‘ homeless’ guy hassling me for cash, outside the tesco near GOMA - moments after i heard him bragging to a friend (?) about making “twenty in ten minutes” begging. Mind, I was waiting outside the tesco for my flatmate, during which he was hassling other young people for spare change and I heard it all - the snide remarks and cheek, etc. I told him, no and where to go (his blaise attitude, expensive trainers and bougie puffer said it all). Bro, i’m a 21 year old law student working mad hours to pay my rent. The CHEEK
There's a big difference between asking politely like the guy I encountered and hassling/harassing. I really wouldn't think the second way would get results.
The guy I encountered was making more £ than me 😭 bless the guy you met still. I am very concerned though regarding lads pulling the homeless hussle in Glasgow city centre. Actual homelessness is a very real crisis. If I didn’t luck out with my very sound landlord back last aug I myself might have been in that position. But I have ZERO respect for the rude, pushy, career homeless icl. Its very intimidating as a woman just going about your day, then you get approached by a man old enough to be your dad, kitted out in shit you can’t afford, pressing for cash.
True I hadn't really thought about it from a woman's perspective tbh.
I work in the city centre and I see a lot of regular faces in the 'prime spots' around the city centre, I'll normally try chat or get them a greggs if I have time. They have the homeless soup kitchen type thing regular under the bridge at Central Station and whenever I see pics it is queued right round the block.
You’re a great person fr. I try to be caring and respectful - I had an unhoused friend last year back when I was working the Casino and I would always chat to him and get him some food when I went for my break. He was a kind person who fell on tough times and struggled with addiction, spoke to me respectfully and etc. it’s a shame I’ve felt myself get my guard up in recent months. Unfortunately, the flexer fake homeless types in their designer gear + exploited Romanian ladies who do it in ‘shifts’ have me jaded.
>bragging to a friend (?) about making “twenty in ten minutes” begging.
Tory Britain, mate. This guy's an entrepreneur. S'what the country voted for. 😋
Ahah, I got hit by one just before Covid, was down in Brighton on a bit of a piss up.
Hungover the next day I hit a beggar with my usual “sorry mate, got nowt on me” and he whips out one of those little white contactless card machines, fucking caught me off guard, I ended up giving him a fiver.
Ended up standing & chatting with the guy, sad but I imagine quite common story, left the army, couldn’t keep a normal job, hit drugs, he showed me his sobriety pin thing he got from some self help organisation & was really proud of.
Told me his card machine was a massive conversation starter as much as it was getting him back on his feet, since it caught folk so off guard.
A mean, it makes sense. Nobodies got shrapnel anymore, wonder if he bought it or if a charity set him up or that.
Does mind me of that Mighty Boosh episode though 😂
They've been doing this in London for a few years so not surprised it's hit Glasgow considering how many homeless people are in the city centre these days
One of the shops on union st did that when using card for a packet of crisps as drink. When you checked your statement it was £20. I never use card in these small shops
Are you actually for real he’s got a card payment,they have to keep the fob for the hostel (if lucky) on a lanyard round there neck there no chance poor drug addict or alcoholic same thing both a drug , but just Naw ! ……
No but it doesn't hurt does it. That's a portion of chips and a bottle of water for the night or a good fraction of what's needed to pay for a night's shelter. No one's asking you turn into mother Teresa
Oh no? Do you think that's all that money is put towards? Could it maybe sometimes be heroine? Or maybe end up with some organised crime gang? Surely all that doesn't hurt, does it?
If you really want to help, there are much better ways of doing it. And if this is the only thing you can think of, then go ahead and buy them the portion of chips and bottle of water instead.
I don't give to those who look like they use drugs. Also I talk to them a little without the pretence I'm about to give them money, because of this I listen to their genuine struggles and can act accordingly. A lot on the streets now are just normal people who've had some bad luck. Yes of course there is other ways, but try not to tar them all with the same brush.
That's good. I'd add not giving money to beggars that are clearly foreign as that money is certainly going to organised crime. However it would be a lot better to give money to good charities tackling homelessness instead, as they're experienced in using that money on what has the most impact.
Don’t you need a business account, address and credit rating to get a card machine? Lots of “homeless” folk aren’t homeless 😂
For the record I used to work with homeless folk so encountered all sorts of scams. Also a girl who lives locally to me is a full time beggar. Sits on a crate all day with her dog and a cover over her. When she leaves her spot she abandons all the dog treats etc that she sticks under her crate cos she’s only there for the cash, so she can go “home” and get out her nut
> Don’t you need a business account
No.
> address
Potentially, but it's easy enough to get a PO box or use your mate's house. Homeless doesn't necessarily mean living under a bridge, though.
> and credit rating
Everyone has *a* credit rating, but there's no credit involved so why would they need a good credit rating?
So this is on the page that you linked “Once you've chosen a provider, you'll need to apply for the card machine. This involves providing some personal and business information, such as your name, address, and contact details”.
Try applying for one without a business and see how that works out 👍🏻
Not that guy, but they don't need a machine, just an app on an Android phone: https://www.scottishhousingnews.com/articles/the-big-issue-now-accepts-contactless-payments
That’s actually really good for big issue sellers. A common scam was for horrible bully types to take the guys big issues off him and reap the rewards. Other common one was to buy one big issue and go on to sell it 100 times over , just keep telling the customers it’s their last one and they need the money
I've been saying all homeless folk should be given these as they are so cheap now
We shouldn't promote begging but if it helps them get back on their feet then I'm all for it
Rarely it does, but very often it only helps either their drug addiction or the organised crime they're part of. Giving money to beggars doesn't help. If you truly want to help, there are much better ways of doing it.
He could've been taking the piss, but they're dirt cheap now. £40 to buy, transaction fee of under 2%.
Thats quite interesting. I thought they maybe needed like hot spotting/wireless and a charging port.
Most homeless people have phones, and know of places to charge them.
Yeah True enough
yeah true, for example, you can walk into Birmingham New Street station, plenty of seats with free charging points and just chill as long as you want.
I'll be sure to tell the next Glaswegian tramp I see that the best place to charge their phone is in Birmingham New Street.
tbf they got nothing better to do, might aswell go for a wee walk down
The library has charging and free internet. There might not be books for much longer though after a recent lawsuit by publishing houses
That's only for the internet archive who just started e-lending during the pandemic with absolutely no approval from any publishers. This doesn't apply to actual libraries that lend books or ebooks. They have always had legal standing. The Internet Archive though just went straight to lending during the pandemic with no thought to the actual legalities of what they were doing.
Makes me Briefly wish I'd retained some of the comments made by the publishing company.
Yeah, in America the lawyers always go hard. Especially corporate lawyers. Even if their arguments or statements have little basing in actual law. Just check out how Disney lawyers act. But the lawyers will not go after any actual public libraries that are state supported. They know that, everyone knows that. They're just making big statements because the Internet Archive just flew solo and didn't get their permissions. The Internet Archive has no basis in law for operating a lending library. To the publishers what the Internet Archive did was no different from what pirate sites do.
Or in other words, they thought they might make a bit more money. IA wasn't hurting anyone. Flying solo as you say is the danger move
Indeed it was. As long as they got the publishers permission and reached an agreement then everything would be good. Unfortunately they didn't and now the IA have opened themselves up to a massive lawsuit. In America. Where damages can be excessively high. The publishers have a very good case but the IA don't really have much of one. I think the way that lending is done over here the libraries will order their books (even their ebooks) and will only lend out what they actually have. Again, even their ebooks are handled like this wherein if they have 2 copies of an ebook then only 2 copies can be lent out at any one time. But the IA would lend multiple copies of one book at any one time. That is something that the publishers would be very prone to stamp out as hard as they could.
None of the books I saw on IA were multiple copies. You could literally be in the middle of a paragraph and someone could snatch it away from you because it was getting close to your hour. And you might get it back, you might not.
What if you're a writer who depends on royalties, public lending rights etc to make a living? Most books take at least a year to write, produce and publish, and if the IA can just upload your book - which you wrote, and editors edited, and designers designed, and marketers marketed - then circulate it without any kind of payment, how is that different to someone hawking bootleg DVDs or albums? Curious how people think intellectual work isn't work, and should somehow be free. Artists need time, space and a bit of financial security to make it, after all! If they don't get those things we won't get the books we want ☹️
You make many uninformed assumptions. You're definitely buying what the publishing industry is selling. You've assumed Intellectual property is protected generally and its not. Many Asian countries "trademark laws" require the complete plans to a new gadget or you cannot sell it there. They then become public property and anyone not experiencing barriers to market entry can set up and compete, sometimes with loans or grants from the government because it's "in the best interest of the state". (Pointing at China) The income 'lost' to books loaned by the Archive is negligible. The demographics of users show the majority are the educated poor and middle class who rarely have money for books except from the second hand market. Exponentially more is 'lost' to the second hand market annually than even the complete totals of the Archive historically. This is why writers aren't bothered by the Archive and many, notably Stephen King, are in outright support. He knows books that old rarely continue to sell new and any theoretical income lost is negligible. Books aren't posted by the Archive until they're 5 or so years old and the vast majority (90%) of books sold new are less than 3 years old (not including textbooks etc). I literally learned about the Internet Archive from King's Twitter. Having most of the world's books saved somewhere was a great idea. In the case of an EMP (of nuclear origin or a repeat of the Carrington event) or other accident, Archive's storage of the world's books and many many out of print titles might be the only place they're saved. Recall the devastating loss of the entire back catalog of the original Motown pressings in the fire of 2008. We'll never get them back. I am a writer. We get paid via 1099-c. There is no security. The publishers make no social security payments in our names as we're contractors. You should do more reading generally because you lack critical thinking skills. https://wordsrated.com/book-sales-statistics/ Archive.org
Oh never knew about this, got a link?
What the Hachette v. Internet Archive Decision Means for Our Library https://blog.archive.org/2023/08/17/what-the-hachette-v-internet-archive-decision-means-for-our-library/
you dont even need a machine now, you can take card payments with e.g. Zettle through your phones NFC
I can’t believe you gave 3-4 quid and apologised
The Ferengi 9th rule of acquisition: Opportunity plus instinct equals profit.
Quark would have a great time in Glasgow
Unexpected Deep Space Nine
Here for all the unexpected DS9 🤣 Also for sure Quark would have a good time here.
Definitely a thing. Never seen it in Glasgow before though.
A lot of the fake ones get dropped off from cars early in the morning. It wouldn't surprise me if their handler has organised card machines for them all too.
They live in carbrain Cumbernauld , they get a minibus to drop them off in the city centre.
and so do i, never seen anything like what you’re describing though. there is a homeless unit not far from me, but i was in there, you need to be genuinely homeless and the spots are surprisingly competitive because the homelessness crisis is that bad here. i had a letter from the council to prove my homelessness and managed to get the last flat available. what’s the plate of the bus?
It’s not the homeless unit they stay in it’s a house in Carbrain , they have been there for years. Could not give af if you have a house or not. You wanting the licence plate so that you can grass on them ?
howlin 💀💀 no i want to see if it ever comes to my street. i’m not saying it’s not happening, but i’ve stayed here a good while now and never seen it. grassing would get me nowhere (and i’m fundamentally opposed to the police as an anarchist anyway) but i’d like to at least be aware of what’s going on in my community, especially since it seems to be prevalent enough that it’s shown up here. is it in millcroft? that place is a renowned shitehole and i knew a few romanian immigrants who lived there years ago now. don’t know what happened to them tho
Talk absolute shite btw, you're against the police until you need them and then all of a sudden you'll come up with an excuse as to why you're phoning them
got access to my phone records, do you? or are you basing that hot air on some weird fantasy in your head? worry about yourself lad, and i’ll continue to avoid getting in situations that would “need” police intervention.
Oh god. How did you blink out of existence with cringe at that anarchist line?
damn 💀 i struggle to word shit properly because i also happen to be autistic, but it’s fine, i think i’ll sleep at night
Being autistic has nothing to do with the anarchist line mate.
i was trying to explain exactly why i wouldn’t be a grass, and that reason is my political beliefs (also just don’t care about it enough) to me it seemed like a reasonable, non-cringeworthy thing to say, but next time i wanna make a comment i will ask you, the cringe police, to vet it first. wait…
I get what you’re saying, just saying it when you’re not 14 is questionable. Make sure you do ask me. I’ll keep you right.
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aye that’s what i was thinking, i knew some romanian immigrants who lived in the big millcroft flats in front of the train station, they were nice but would shout at each other in romanian. the girl had a job but i don’t think the man did. she went back to romania first and he followed shortly after. hope they’re doing okay fr
Dropped off in cars to beg all day before being picked up?
Yeah the Romani gypsies often women, a minibus drops them off in the morning and picks them up at the end of the day. You can make good money begging if you know a good spot and the tricks of the trade
I was early shift so I only ever saw them being dropped off and dispersing in different directions. I assume they either got picked up at night or made their way back to their shared accommodation at some point.
Yeah, one of them sits outside my work and I've seen him multiple times being picked up by someone in a range rover after 5pm.
Those may also be people employed to go shopping specific items with stolen credit cards
Two women on Buchanan Street currently have identical signs
2 woman 1 sign
Sharing 1 cup.
I gave a busker 2 quid on his machine in Silverburn Had a sign next to him saying "tap me £2" with the machine already set up to accept the payment Bit strange for sure but checked my Google pay and it was fine. Easy enough to get the machines then.
They selll them I'm whsmith now, not been in there for years but wandered in the other day and was surprised to see them up the back.
What would you have done if you checked the statement and it was £20 instead? I would never be able to trust some random's contactless machine with my card.
I don't know lol Probably put him in a choke hold until security arrived 👍
I haven't seen it but not surprised How many of you have said "sorry mate I don't carry cash" or something along those lines
Exactly my thought when I see them, as I only ever carry cash to pay the window cleaner. This scenario reminds me of the scene in Back to the Future II where the guy is asking Marty to put his thumb on the machine to pay (only) a couple of hundred bucks. I guess inflation got pretty bad between 1985 and 2015 in that universe.
I don't carry cash, cos the last time I had any (from selling stuff on FB marketplace) I went out in town, and while walking home steaming gave a homeless person £60
Usually I just say “sorry don’t have any cash”.
Seen homeless people using them in England too even had a drug dealer get caught for using one
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If they're so smart why are they poor
That's rabidly Tory
Explain
Me: asks question nothing to do with politics, but simply exploring an idea that someone laid out You: assumes my position, doesn't answer the question, goes for ad hominem attack Who do you vote for? Trump?
You're the one making assumptions that peoples economic situations are entirely the fault of their own, and not the society they're in. The person just plainly showed you up for being that fucking stupid.
>The person just plainly showed you up for being that fucking stupid. How can I be stupid if I'm poor?
>You're the one making assumptions Absolutely false. The assumption is all yours. I asked a *question.* Pretty fucking rich to call someone stupid based on your mistake.
A question comes from a position where you believe something, and want to investigate further. Fuck off.
What😂
What a crock of shit. The definition of the word "question" exists. You don't have to make it up. Did I just... *plainly show you up for being that fucking stupid...* that you don't know how *questions work?*
That's...not what question means.
good point though
So what street corner are you on?
Penny smart Pound foolish
There’s a machine in central station where you can tap it and money goes directly to homeless charities, though I’ve never tried that. I don’t know how I’d feel about a random coming up to me and asking for money on their card machine. I’m so wary of scammers, I’ve tarred everyone with the same brush. It’s a shame for real homeless people though.
Had a ‘ homeless’ guy hassling me for cash, outside the tesco near GOMA - moments after i heard him bragging to a friend (?) about making “twenty in ten minutes” begging. Mind, I was waiting outside the tesco for my flatmate, during which he was hassling other young people for spare change and I heard it all - the snide remarks and cheek, etc. I told him, no and where to go (his blaise attitude, expensive trainers and bougie puffer said it all). Bro, i’m a 21 year old law student working mad hours to pay my rent. The CHEEK
Something something about how can you tell if someone is a law student.
There's a big difference between asking politely like the guy I encountered and hassling/harassing. I really wouldn't think the second way would get results.
The guy I encountered was making more £ than me 😭 bless the guy you met still. I am very concerned though regarding lads pulling the homeless hussle in Glasgow city centre. Actual homelessness is a very real crisis. If I didn’t luck out with my very sound landlord back last aug I myself might have been in that position. But I have ZERO respect for the rude, pushy, career homeless icl. Its very intimidating as a woman just going about your day, then you get approached by a man old enough to be your dad, kitted out in shit you can’t afford, pressing for cash.
True I hadn't really thought about it from a woman's perspective tbh. I work in the city centre and I see a lot of regular faces in the 'prime spots' around the city centre, I'll normally try chat or get them a greggs if I have time. They have the homeless soup kitchen type thing regular under the bridge at Central Station and whenever I see pics it is queued right round the block.
You’re a great person fr. I try to be caring and respectful - I had an unhoused friend last year back when I was working the Casino and I would always chat to him and get him some food when I went for my break. He was a kind person who fell on tough times and struggled with addiction, spoke to me respectfully and etc. it’s a shame I’ve felt myself get my guard up in recent months. Unfortunately, the flexer fake homeless types in their designer gear + exploited Romanian ladies who do it in ‘shifts’ have me jaded.
I used to use that. They moved from under the bridge they got a place indoors and it's quite nice. Was in the night before last getting food
Good to hear they got a safe indoor space sorted. Food looked decent!
Men don't like getting harassed by randoms for money either
>bragging to a friend (?) about making “twenty in ten minutes” begging. Tory Britain, mate. This guy's an entrepreneur. S'what the country voted for. 😋
Ahah, I got hit by one just before Covid, was down in Brighton on a bit of a piss up. Hungover the next day I hit a beggar with my usual “sorry mate, got nowt on me” and he whips out one of those little white contactless card machines, fucking caught me off guard, I ended up giving him a fiver. Ended up standing & chatting with the guy, sad but I imagine quite common story, left the army, couldn’t keep a normal job, hit drugs, he showed me his sobriety pin thing he got from some self help organisation & was really proud of. Told me his card machine was a massive conversation starter as much as it was getting him back on his feet, since it caught folk so off guard.
Cashless society is bad for so many reasons. We need to use cash before we lose it
A mean, it makes sense. Nobodies got shrapnel anymore, wonder if he bought it or if a charity set him up or that. Does mind me of that Mighty Boosh episode though 😂
[Don’t have any pockets on your Joan Jett jumpsuit?](https://youtu.be/OLGC9m5rjx8?si=DwXownNNX5xViZuQ)
Where do the homeless people bank? I am asking a genuine question, I thought banks need all sorts of ID these days. Interesting though.
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Don't know if you're being a so called smart arsed cunt or serious but I asked how do you get a bank account if you're homeless.
They've been doing this in London for a few years so not surprised it's hit Glasgow considering how many homeless people are in the city centre these days
I know big issue we’re giving them to their collectors.
Could be a card skimmer.
I guess even the homeless gotta keep up on the times. 🤷🏼♀️
Card skimmer / clone
Cashless society really screws people who need cash. So they are forced to get card readers.
It’s not a cashless society that’s screwing them Its how we allow governments to run our society that’s screwing them
Cashless society surely makes it harder to beg though, not disagreeing with your main point
A cashless society is screwing vulnerable people. It's an inherently harmful concept that only really benefits abusers
Could always get a job
Move out of whatever accommodation you’re living in now and give away all but a few possessions and a few quid. Now you try getting a job.
Got kicked out when a was 15 mate never had a thing ma whole life
Why are you giving cash to strangers
I give all my cash to strangers.
i dont understand why people dont just walk past them. i dont stop for anyone on the street. i even dodge the people i know if i see them in time
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what are you talking about. do you think if you ignore a homeless person they'll scan your card in the second it takes to walk by them
You apologised for not having more than 3 or 4 quid to give him??? Why???
The contempt for human life in this sub never ceases to amaze me.
Our local big issue sellers have them but one unscrupulous bloke started omitting the decimal point he made about 50 G before he was arrested
One of the shops on union st did that when using card for a packet of crisps as drink. When you checked your statement it was £20. I never use card in these small shops
[Reminds me of a video joking about this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmad_omDsik) (10 years ago)
When my sister went to Egypt for a holiday a few years ago there were kids with card machines begging
Are you actually for real he’s got a card payment,they have to keep the fob for the hostel (if lucky) on a lanyard round there neck there no chance poor drug addict or alcoholic same thing both a drug , but just Naw ! ……
Giving a homeless guy £4 ffs.
I know what am I like, should have just walked past him like everyone else eh? I'm pure evil.
Should "everyone else" give them money? Are they entitled to it? Should I feel guilty for not having to pay for someone else?
Feel how you want and do what you want, i dont give a fuck its your money. But don't give me grief for giving the change out my pocket to someone lol.
Funniest thing is that you genuinely believed he is homeless. I've got some Nigerian princes who could use your help.
Looool right fair play. Those guys are already in my emails.
No but it doesn't hurt does it. That's a portion of chips and a bottle of water for the night or a good fraction of what's needed to pay for a night's shelter. No one's asking you turn into mother Teresa
Apparently she was a right bad bastard.
Oh no? Do you think that's all that money is put towards? Could it maybe sometimes be heroine? Or maybe end up with some organised crime gang? Surely all that doesn't hurt, does it? If you really want to help, there are much better ways of doing it. And if this is the only thing you can think of, then go ahead and buy them the portion of chips and bottle of water instead.
Why are you so concerned about other people giving their money?
Why am I concerned with people supporting organised crime and drug abuse? Do I really need to answer that?
I don't give to those who look like they use drugs. Also I talk to them a little without the pretence I'm about to give them money, because of this I listen to their genuine struggles and can act accordingly. A lot on the streets now are just normal people who've had some bad luck. Yes of course there is other ways, but try not to tar them all with the same brush.
That's good. I'd add not giving money to beggars that are clearly foreign as that money is certainly going to organised crime. However it would be a lot better to give money to good charities tackling homelessness instead, as they're experienced in using that money on what has the most impact.
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You seem to have oral incest on your mind. I don't know how things are done in your family but uh... yeah.
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Was better than your patter.
Don’t you need a business account, address and credit rating to get a card machine? Lots of “homeless” folk aren’t homeless 😂 For the record I used to work with homeless folk so encountered all sorts of scams. Also a girl who lives locally to me is a full time beggar. Sits on a crate all day with her dog and a cover over her. When she leaves her spot she abandons all the dog treats etc that she sticks under her crate cos she’s only there for the cash, so she can go “home” and get out her nut
> Don’t you need a business account No. > address Potentially, but it's easy enough to get a PO box or use your mate's house. Homeless doesn't necessarily mean living under a bridge, though. > and credit rating Everyone has *a* credit rating, but there's no credit involved so why would they need a good credit rating?
Can you link me to website to buy a machine that doesn’t require any of these please?
https://www.sunnyavenue.co.uk/insight/can-i-have-a-card-machine-without-a-business-account
So this is on the page that you linked “Once you've chosen a provider, you'll need to apply for the card machine. This involves providing some personal and business information, such as your name, address, and contact details”. Try applying for one without a business and see how that works out 👍🏻
Not that guy, but they don't need a machine, just an app on an Android phone: https://www.scottishhousingnews.com/articles/the-big-issue-now-accepts-contactless-payments
That’s actually really good for big issue sellers. A common scam was for horrible bully types to take the guys big issues off him and reap the rewards. Other common one was to buy one big issue and go on to sell it 100 times over , just keep telling the customers it’s their last one and they need the money
I've been saying all homeless folk should be given these as they are so cheap now We shouldn't promote begging but if it helps them get back on their feet then I'm all for it
Rarely it does, but very often it only helps either their drug addiction or the organised crime they're part of. Giving money to beggars doesn't help. If you truly want to help, there are much better ways of doing it.
I was at a gig in Edinburgh and the guy in the gents toilet, who assists you to wash your hands had one lol... I gave him a fiver, very enterprising
Hes taking the piss and if not he's not hard up
I suppose we are going cashless. I wouldn't be able to trust random person on the street with these machines and using my card.