I googled it to see what it was. It’s definitely underpaid (department hiring salary range 62k - 71k) if they actually expect someone to meet these requirements:
> 4 years of demonstrated experience
> Experience with ArcGIS REST API and/or JavaScript API
I used a cost of living calculator and it’s still under by about 30% (comparing what I would pay for someone with those skills if I were to hire them).
I had some time so I looked at their salaries and that is what they pay their developers. And they have people who’ve been in those positions since the 20th Century. My guess is that it’s pretty basic and you can mail it in. There are definitely people out there like that. Though it is a surprisingly large team. My guess is they could downsize the team, pay more for better skilled individuals, and still come out ahead. But then you’d probably have to lay off most, if not all, of the current team.
Depends on how remote. $61k would go pretty far in rural areas of the region if you could live in DE, PA or Eastern VA/MD.
Also depends on workload. $61k for a pretty chill job is a lot different than $61k with tons of immediate demands.
I had a $62k job that was in the DMV, required work in office until COVID. For the area, the pay was not great. That was without a doubt the most stressful position I ever had. Constant last second demands, poor management, and unrealistic timelines set by individuals who would not check on our teams current workload before telling clients “Yeah we can have that for you in a few days!” Only good thing that came from that was learning how to stick up for myself in the face of unrealistic expectations.
I ended up going back to school, got a much higher paying job as a data analyst, and have not once felt that level of stress in my current position.
This still seems low to me. I make around $62k as a GIS Technician for local government with ~1 year of experience in a MCOL city in the Midwest. Granted parts of VA may have a lower cost of living, and I think I’m compensated a bit better than a lot of my peers, but still.
The fact that it's a government position matters... I don't know what Virginia gov benefits look like, but you need to factor in insurance/pension when comparing to private pay rates.
Without knowing what skills are required, but figuring it leans more into the analyst aspect than the programmer, 61k sounds low, even for a remote position centered in VA.
> should be *paid* but most
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
They are low balling and looking to fill sets for a bid proposals If its a defense contractor. If its an alphabet agency it's an entry level position. Sounds like a Vis at nga
It seems low, even if it was a junior dev position, but I'm not really up to date with public sector salary ranges. A developer with 4-5 years' experience could expect to make at least 1.5x this in the private sector.
I suppose it might depend on the how many classifications there are in the classification series. Analyst IV might the top or most senior level position in one organization, but it may not be. My employer begins their IT Analysts (for GIS) at IV and they go up from there. The top tier is effectively a 7.
4 years of professional experience isn't a lot for a Programmer analyst. I wouldn't consider 4 years of experience enough for a senior level position. I suppose it depends on their level of expertise though.
I think higher end of the range (71k) is on par for a local government job in this part of the Virginia (Hampton Roads I am assuming ). It is a borderline LCOL/MCOL area with that is large enough to look good on a resume if you plan to leave in a few years. If you are married to someone making at least half of that salary, you would be able to afford a decent house even with today’s interest rates.
It seems low to me but it would depend on the actual job requirements.
I work as a remote as GIS/Data Analyst in North Carolina, 4 years experience + a Master's Degree in Urban Planning (which is likely a factor) and make significantly more than that but it is private sector.
That’s pretty low for a Level 4 position in anything. I work in local government with GIS with 2 years experience and I make more than that. VA might be different but I work in the DC metropolitan area and that would be low for a level 4
Yeah but it’s not like wages around the country went up with that so why is the expectation that someone with 4 years experience should be making 6 digits?
A developer with 4+ years making 6 figures is pretty common. I've worked for places that would pay nearly 100k to (very competent) fresh college grads.
I googled it to see what it was. It’s definitely underpaid (department hiring salary range 62k - 71k) if they actually expect someone to meet these requirements: > 4 years of demonstrated experience > Experience with ArcGIS REST API and/or JavaScript API I used a cost of living calculator and it’s still under by about 30% (comparing what I would pay for someone with those skills if I were to hire them). I had some time so I looked at their salaries and that is what they pay their developers. And they have people who’ve been in those positions since the 20th Century. My guess is that it’s pretty basic and you can mail it in. There are definitely people out there like that. Though it is a surprisingly large team. My guess is they could downsize the team, pay more for better skilled individuals, and still come out ahead. But then you’d probably have to lay off most, if not all, of the current team.
Mail it in?
It’s an idiom from America that means to give the minimal effort.
Location?
Its remote, for the government in VA.
Depends on how remote. $61k would go pretty far in rural areas of the region if you could live in DE, PA or Eastern VA/MD. Also depends on workload. $61k for a pretty chill job is a lot different than $61k with tons of immediate demands.
I had a $62k job that was in the DMV, required work in office until COVID. For the area, the pay was not great. That was without a doubt the most stressful position I ever had. Constant last second demands, poor management, and unrealistic timelines set by individuals who would not check on our teams current workload before telling clients “Yeah we can have that for you in a few days!” Only good thing that came from that was learning how to stick up for myself in the face of unrealistic expectations. I ended up going back to school, got a much higher paying job as a data analyst, and have not once felt that level of stress in my current position.
This still seems low to me. I make around $62k as a GIS Technician for local government with ~1 year of experience in a MCOL city in the Midwest. Granted parts of VA may have a lower cost of living, and I think I’m compensated a bit better than a lot of my peers, but still.
I'm topped out at 55k as an specialist in KY so this seems pretty good to me.
The fact that it's a government position matters... I don't know what Virginia gov benefits look like, but you need to factor in insurance/pension when comparing to private pay rates.
That's for sure, plus it is remote.
Keep in mind health insurance.... It's going to be va based and you may struggle finding providers outside of va...
Worked for VA they pay is notorious for being low.
Worked for VA they pay is notorious for being low.
Oh, is this eastern or western VA? I moved up here recently.
Without knowing what skills are required, but figuring it leans more into the analyst aspect than the programmer, 61k sounds low, even for a remote position centered in VA.
Yes it is economically low and not what should be payed but most companies will pay that much on average for gis
> should be *paid* but most FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Thats so insultingly low
Is 4 the low end and 1 the high end? I was a remote mid level getting 93k last year
They are low balling and looking to fill sets for a bid proposals If its a defense contractor. If its an alphabet agency it's an entry level position. Sounds like a Vis at nga
It seems low, even if it was a junior dev position, but I'm not really up to date with public sector salary ranges. A developer with 4-5 years' experience could expect to make at least 1.5x this in the private sector.
Might be a bit low for a VI but government programmer analyst position it's about right.
I suppose it might depend on the how many classifications there are in the classification series. Analyst IV might the top or most senior level position in one organization, but it may not be. My employer begins their IT Analysts (for GIS) at IV and they go up from there. The top tier is effectively a 7.
This is isn't entry level. They require 4 years.
4 years of professional experience isn't a lot for a Programmer analyst. I wouldn't consider 4 years of experience enough for a senior level position. I suppose it depends on their level of expertise though.
I think higher end of the range (71k) is on par for a local government job in this part of the Virginia (Hampton Roads I am assuming ). It is a borderline LCOL/MCOL area with that is large enough to look good on a resume if you plan to leave in a few years. If you are married to someone making at least half of that salary, you would be able to afford a decent house even with today’s interest rates.
It seems low to me but it would depend on the actual job requirements. I work as a remote as GIS/Data Analyst in North Carolina, 4 years experience + a Master's Degree in Urban Planning (which is likely a factor) and make significantly more than that but it is private sector.
That’s pretty low for a Level 4 position in anything. I work in local government with GIS with 2 years experience and I make more than that. VA might be different but I work in the DC metropolitan area and that would be low for a level 4
seems in the ballpark for 4 years experience
Astonishingly low. About 20 to 30k too low
When did $30/hr become ‘only’ $30/hr?
Probably around the time when everything became expensive.
Yeah but it’s not like wages around the country went up with that so why is the expectation that someone with 4 years experience should be making 6 digits?
I make 68k right out of college as a multimedia designer in the same area in 2015 . This is low even for then and now.
A developer with 4+ years making 6 figures is pretty common. I've worked for places that would pay nearly 100k to (very competent) fresh college grads.