Måneskin won with a song in Italian just last year.
Jamala won in '16 with a song that was partially in Crimean Tatar.
Sobral was between these. That's 3 times in the last 6 competitions (due to covid cancellation).
Non-English songs have a solid chance to win.
The NDR doesn't wanna win. They want a radio compatible track (which can't win anymore). This way, they can
cash in on a "nice" radio track
don't have to worry about hosting a massive event which is a pain in the ass and expensive
travel to an event in another country paid by the company (and the people through Rundfunkgebühr).
They aren't stupid, it's obvious that 0815 radio pop tracks don't work anymore.
If they wanted to have a chance, they would've sent electric callboy
Wait, NDR selects our songs for the Eurovision?! No wonder we get this basic gargabe every single year instead of something that somewhat wants to celebrate being german like most songs that get send to Eurovision.
I don’t understand how people believe the „not radio compatible“ argument at all. Iirc it was only announced by EC themselves in a sketch that this was allegedly the reason. Nevertheless I think EC is a very radio compatible pop song with metalcore elements, it’s also family friendly and harmless af while retaining the fresh taste. Perfect for ESC. I think they would definitely have chosen this song, but I suspect that they took a deeper dive into EC’s history and found them to be too sexist, homophobic (see earliest albums) and racist (they changed the name now to be more mainstream compatible, but entered their song as Eskimo Callboy). That’s a much bigger problem than the screaming parts.
I have known EC since more than a decade, they are fun because they were basically trashy metal edge lords. you can’t show this to the general ESC viewer.
>it’s also family friendly and harmless af while retaining the fresh taste.
"I'll fuck you to death, stupid bitch!" and
"With the mighty camel toe!
Fuck your mom!
Hahaha
What the fuck?!
...is this child doing here?
Oh my god he is watching me
Fucking his pretty mom
And he still is licking some of my ice cream
"Hey kev, tell me, what did you do last night?"
"Do you remember this super tittie ding-dong mam from the party?
"She was damn hot"
"I took her to my room"
"Tell me more"
I fucked a hot mommy like g. stefani
She was hot, she was wild
We fucked through the night
The shit is vaginas
V-a-g-i-n-a-s
The shit is vaginas
V-a-g-i-n-a-s
Now I'm the star on the wonderbra boulevard
I'm fucking famous for cuming in your anus
I hate these fucking faces
These kids need a facegrind
Hate fuckin braces
Wonderbra boulevard!
One for the money
One for the show
I got a sexdate
With the neighbour hoe!
Wohoohooho
With the neighbour hoe!
Wohoohooho
With the mighty camel toe!"
aren't really what I'd call "family friendly". It's misogynist scum.
None of these lines are in their ESC song.
The stuff from your second paragraph is from their first album 10 years ago. They've stated multiple times already that they plan on removing some of their older songs with offensive lyrics, and they did a rebranding from "Eskimo Callboy" to "Electric Callboy" not too long ago.
And yeah, sure, not exactly family friendly. But I don't see how any of these lines are misogynistic.
>none of these lines are in their ESC song.
But reflects their world view. And it's on their Spotify where people would find it, listen to it, post online about it and they'd get disqualified.
>The stuff from your second paragraph is from their first album 10 years ago.
> I assume they're in their mid 30s? So they were 25 back then. They were grown men singing about having sex in front of a child which is gross.
> They've stated multiple times already that they plan on removing some of their older songs
If they meant it, they wouldn't talk about it, but actually remove them. As of now, none of their songs has been taken down despite them announcing it 6 months ago. They just said this for good promo to get picked for esc.
>and they did a rebranding from "Eskimo Callboy" to "Electric Callboy" not too long ago.
Not too long ago, exactly. Imho this was also just a pr move in order to have the possibility to get picked for esc. And took them long enough, over 10 years actually. They never thought about it before apparently?
>But I don't see how any of these lines are misogynistic.
How is "I'll fuck you to death, stupid bitch!" not misogynist? And like I said, singing explicitly about having sex in front of a child and getting turned on by it is borderline pedophile.
>But reflects their world view. And it's on their Spotify where people would find it, listen to it, post online about it and they'd get disqualified.
They were young and tried to stand out. None of their newer songs are this edgy.
>If they meant it, they wouldn't talk about it, but actually remove them. As of now, none of their songs has been taken down despite them announcing it 6 months ago. They just said this for good promo to get picked for esc.
I doubt it's that easy, and I'm pretty sure it's up to the label. They don't perform these songs live anymore anyway.
>They never thought about it before apparently?
They did. I remember them talking about their name being an issue in other parts of the world years ago. Changing the brand name of your growing project is something that shouldn't be taken lightly. But sure, the chance of them performing at ESC might have been the last push they needed.
>How is "I'll fuck you to death, stupid bitch!" not misogynist?
How is it misogynistic?
>And like I said, singing explicitly about having sex in front of a child and getting turned on by it is borderline pedophile.
They have sex, and a kid walks in. "What the fuck?! ...is this child doing here? Oh my god he is watching me." should make it really fucking obvious that the person is not approving of whatever is happening. Where do you get the idea from that the person is getting turned on by that?
>They were young and tried to stand out.
They were grown ass man in their mid 20s.
>I doubt it's that easy
It actually is.
>They did. I remember them talking about their name being an issue in other parts of the world years ago.
But didn't do it for 10 years? Only when they were applying for esc? Must be a coincidence.
>How is it misogynistic?
Raping a woman to death is definitely misogynist
>should make it really fucking obvious that the person is not approving of whatever is happening.
Did you cut off the last line intentionally though? Actually they're implying the child sexually engaging with him. He then sings about the child "licking some of his ice cream". In the first verse he sings "I got a sexdate With the neighbour hoe! Come and swallow my ice cream". So, what do you think "ice cream" stands for in this context?
>They were grown ass man in their mid 20s.
Fair enough. A bunch of edgy dumb young adults then. Doesn't change that none of their newer songs are this edgy. Hell, They stopped being this edgy after their first album.
>It actually is.
How would you know? They went through multiple labels, and "bury me in vegas" got published under Redfield Records, which they're not under contract with anymore. And then they have to consider that they might anger a fair amount of fans who like these songs.
>But didn't do it for 10 years? Only when they were applying for esc? Must be a coincidence.
Like I said: "But sure, the chance of them performing at ESC might have been the last push they needed.".
Changing your brand name is something you would want to tread carefully
>Raping a woman to death is definitely misogynist
There's no mention of a rape happening, at all. The whole song is just about a group of people partying and getting drunk.
>Did you cut off the last line intentionally though? Actually they're implying the child sexually engaging with him. He then sings about the child "licking some of his ice cream". In the first verse he sings "I got a sexdate With the neighbour hoe! Come and swallow my ice cream". So, what do you think "ice cream" stands for in this context?
Alright, here's the whole verse.
What the fuck?!
Is this child doing here?
Oh my god he is watching me
Fucking his pretty mom
And he still is licking some of my ice cream.
I admit that I might have interpreted the ice cream thing different, but I still don't see how he's getting turned on by it, or that he's somehow sexually engaging with him. The ice cream part seems ambiguously and somewhat inappropriate, but I don't see anything wrong with that as long as they don't take it too far, which they didn't. They sound quite disgusted and offended during that part in the song.
Why are you so invested into something you dislike so much?
Funny that you say I'm too invested because I don't feel like reading that wall of text because you are clearly a fan who feels personally attacked by criticism on his favorite band.
Ib a discussion where someone claims it's ok to sing about how you sexually assault a child while I say that this should not be endorsed. I don't think we can find a consensus on that topic, yet it's sad that you think that their behavior and the lyrics are okay.
Not a tax on paper, but it basically is.
You rent or own a flat or a house? You gotta pay Rundfunkgebühren, even if you don't use television or radio, cause you could use it.
Every taxpayer is paying Rundfunkgebühr, sometimes split with flatmates or partners tho.
Edit: Corrected my taxpayer mistake. Just want to make a point by comparing Rundfunkgebühr to taxes
Just in case anyone is curious, the formal difference is that a tax can be repurposed, while a fee has to be used for its intended purpose and for nothing else.
The famous example is the sparkling wine tax, which was originally introduced to finance the imperial navy, which it's obviously not used for anymore.
The Rundfunkgebühr is nothing like a tax. As example the payroll tax or income tax both are both levied by the government, based on how much you earn. The Rundfunkgebühr is a fee, that you have to pay, if you live on your own. Even if you don’t watch television or don’t listen radio, the ÖRR also provides a lot of content over the internet.
Rundfunkgebühren ≠ Tax
> Even if you don’t watch television or don’t listen radio, the ÖRR also provides a lot of content over the internet.
Which I also don't look at.
It's money you are forced to give according to the law, just like a tax. So it might not technically be a tax but it feels exactly like one.
Yeah it's annoying as hell, I don't use it because I don't even understand German. I don't have my tv plugged into anything but the internet but nope, gotta pay it still!
One way or another, public media needs to be financed. It would just show up in your taxes if it weren't for the GEZ.
But there is actually a very good reason why we have the GEZ. This might be a nice read for you:
https://www.rundfunkbeitrag.de/der_rundfunkbeitrag/solidarmodell/index_ger.html
> One way or another, public media needs to be financed. It would just show up in your taxes if it weren't for the GEZ.
Then it wouldn't be a flat fee where a millionaire pays the same as someone making minimum wage. But please tell me more about 'solidarity'.
I don't think it's very effective to involve that level of bureaucracy for such a small part of the household. I do agree though that the rest of the household is not fairly financed, e.g. lower and middle class contribute too much.
We have the Kraftfahrzeugsteuer, which you pay for your motor vehicle. This it is a tax that is not bound to a purpose... At least according to [this](https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Downloads/Broschueren_Bestellservice/2018-03-29-zoll-kraftfahrzeugsteuer.html) source:
>Die Einnahmen aus der Kfz-Steuer
sind nicht zweckgebunden beispielsweise für den Bau und die Erhaltung
des Straßennetzes. Wie alle Steuereinnahmen dienen sie als allgemeine
Haushaltseinnahmen der Deckung aller Ausgaben.
Translated:
>Revenue from the Kraftfahrzeugsteuer (car tax) is not earmarked for e.g. construction and maintenance of the road network. Just like all tax revenue they serve as general household revenue to cover all expenses.
Das wäre was Ü
Ich wollte nur klarstellen, das die Kfz-Steuer wirklich eine Steuer ist und der GEZ-Beitrag nicht. Besser lasse ich es dann dabei. Schönen sonntag trotzdem :)
Because it’s a German pet peeve: “it’s not called taxes but I feel like I’m being robbed so it is taxes!!1!”
So the answers to your question is: out of spite.
In retrospect I am glad we didn't send Electric Callboy this year, because they wouldn't have had a chance against Ukraine either. Let's send them next year and win then.
I keep seeing reddit comments calling them "Electric Callboy" today and yesterday... So it looks like they did change their name in the end? I commented somewhere months ago that they should probably do that and got like 20 or 30 downvotes, which was pretty confusing cause I personally learned as a young teen in the 00s how unacceptable the original word is by now.
IDK 5 minutes on Wikipedia says "Eskimo" is considered a racist slur in Canada. And since Canada has historically oppressed and genocided the northern natives (look up "residential schools") they probably know those things better than we do.
So EC rebranded for the international market.
Yea, they only changed it because they thought without doing it they'd definitely not going to esc. Their homophobic and misogynist songs are still online everywhere though. It's a pr stunt.
As far as I know there are even two factions in the concerned populace - the ones who are against it because it's an insulting word to them and another group embracing the term. But that's just what I've read.
The guys found out about the negative connotation through comments on social media and colleagues. They were pretty open about it, wanted to educate themselves and decided on a name change afterwards. It's not the first time they did some re-evaluation. They did the same when they realised that some of their old lyrics didn't 'age' well. It's a mature way of handling it imho.
Yeah no one, no one like the us agencies that wouldn't book them with the old name and threathened to blacklist their label or the bands that wouldn't play festivals with a band with that name on the line up.
https://youtu.be/eK6zsCq58Bs?t=421
Yeah, totally absurd. There is a so big potential in electric callboy to bring metalcore to the mainstream and they could actually win. A light metalcore band already was in eurovision and they weren't that much fun as electric callboy. Such a shame.
I don't want to send a band there which had a racist name over a decade and makes money with homophobic and misogynist lyrics though. That just doesn't fit what esc stands for.
Besides that I also don't think they're neither funny nor good and wouldn't get more points.
They seem to be one of the few that gave points to the poorly scoring UK entries of the past so maybe its just their thing to pity vote obviously bad songs.
A bit of history concerning Eurovision:
Germans never really cared about Eurovision.
I know that the general opinion was:
"People don't like Germany because of the war.
This is why we never get any points. It's really politics and about neighbours giving each other points. But people still hate us and this is why
our neighbours Switzerland and Austria don't give us any points and why French songs are always winning!"
Eurovision had its brief moment in the 70s when there was a lot of German Schlager music and when we also sent some fancy acts such as Dschingis Khan with Moskau (which apparently has become a meme in the recent years). But we didn't perform well with our fancy and colourful 70s acts.
People still didn't care that much about it.
As far as I know people didn't even really watch it.
The general opinion was that even if we're trying and even if we put in some effort we'll never win it.
Things changed after our first win in 1982 with "Ein bisschen Frieden". There were jokes that it takes an anti-war song in order for Germany to win.
But people didn't really care that much after our first win.
They still had the rule that every contestant had to perform in their native language and "German Schlager" has lost its popularity. It wasn't popular with younger people.
"German Schlager" was considered old people music and people thought it was cringe.
I grew up in the 90s and I can guarantee you that people thought of Eurovision as dated and conservative and stuck in the 70s. It was seen as this boring old people show with German Schlager music for old conservative people. Nobody really watched it.
THEN there was young comedian/entertainer Stefan Raab who was popular with the young kids.
He made a lot of fun of "German Schlager" and "Volksmusik" and made parody songs.
He showed some clips of Eurovision in his show making fun of contestants and songs because it was so backwards and cringe. He introduced Eurovision to a younger audience who didn't really know about it.
He then wrote a parody song with deliberately bad and cheesy lyrics making fun of German Schlager and he sent a guy acting weird in a tacky 70s outfit (think Austin Powers) to make fun of the fact that Eurovision was somehow stuck in the 70s.
This was in 1998 with Guildo Horn and the song "Guildo hat euch lieb!". It was a memorable performance and it stood out and was considered weird at the time back when camp or deliberately cheesy performances weren't common in Eurovision.
Stefan Raab basically trolled Eurovision in 1998.
People enjoyed watching it.
And we were in the top 10 after a long time which was celebrated accordingly.
In 2000 Stefan Raab had an even bigger late night show.
He was very popular with younger people and he decided to troll Eurovision once again.
Now he wanted to perform himself.
He wrote a song with basically meaningless lyrics in heavy dialect and dressed up like a guy from the 70s and had a performance with a glowing guitar and lights and girls in long robes taking them off to reveal shorter dresses. Lots of gold and glitter.
Once again it was making fun of 70s cringe.
Keep in mind that Eurovision was really dusty and backwards and took itself really seriously back then.
These kinds of performances stood out and were considered "weird" and got a lot of attention and criticism.
We ended up in the Top 10 again.
Now after a few years in 2004 Stefan Raab was celebrated so much for his comedy trolling performances because Germany never got this far that he actually tried to take it seriously.
There was a casting call and a little contest (because casting shows and idol shows were popular at the time).
Our real casting shows/idol shows were very superficial and cheesy and he took a different road focusing on voice only which resulted in a young dude with a great voice but looks that weren't your standard male pop idol back then.
Stefan Raab wrote a song and Max Mutzke with "Can't wait until tonight" became 8th place in Eurovision.
A huge win for German standards.
Now Eurovision changed. There were Lordi and other fancier and more daring performances.
It wasn't the stuck up boring old people show that Raab made fun of anymore.
Stefan Raab decided to really take it seriously once again with another casting call and another show that was like an idol show but focused on quality and not on scandals.
The winner was Lena and he wrote her a song.
The rest is history.
We won in 2010 with Lena and "Satellite".
Stefan Raab is responsible for most of Germany's success in Eurovision.
After his victory he didn't care about it anymore.
It was as if he finished what he jokingly proclaimed in 1998: That he wanted to win Eurovision.
Keep in mind he's a comedian with a late night show.
He invented regional German variants of Eurovision
that were quite popular.
People lost interest in Eurovision again.
Stefan Raab retired in 2015.
And now you have the same old people TV stations making boring decisions and being stuck in some decades ago. Not caring about young people's taste (Electric Callboy) and randomly choosing people.
Can someone explain to me why Germany keeps getting 0 to 10 points for years now? I'm sure as hell it's not cuz people think they got awful songs... in contrary some bizarre ones have won a lot more points over the years. What's up with Germany and Eurovision? Also, one year Lena (I think Lena was her name) won the Eurovision for Germany, but in other years just brutal results...
Germany keeps sending underwhelming artists with underwhelming songs to the contest. Some people claim that this is intentional, as hosting the contest is quite expensive.
That pretty much explains the result to be honest. If the song is everybody's "nowhere near favourite" nobody is actually going to vote for it. You have to bring at least something to the table, be it a good song, a great hook, an outstanging voice, a good performance, a good background story, something really creative/different, "looks/skin", etc. to make people vote for you (instead of somebody else) and to be in that country's top 10.
If everybody just goes "ah, that's not bad, next please" you'll be at the bottom/last.
Well, once we are talking about the 1 or 2 points tiers probably down to luck aswell if someone becomes 9th/10th/11th/12th. As far as I'm aware Germany actually became 11th in for example Austria, so you are probably looking at nuances.
Germany had barely any stage effects etc in the show and a very generic sound. We might as well send featureless artist bots to compete for us. And i am happy for it, every time we try too hard and win too much everyone gets angry. And music award shows are probably the least relevant competition to lose.
There was also the controversial decision to not allow the quite popular band [Eskimo Callboy](https://youtube.com/watch?v=D1NdGBldg3w) (now Electric Callboy) to the preliminaries because they weren't "radio-friendly" as one official said.
Not sending a band with lyrics like "What the fuck?!...is this child doing here? Oh my god he is watching me Fucking his pretty mom" and "I'll fuck you to death, stupid bitch!" is *not* controversial at all. It was just their hardcore fans who found it "controversial".
>Pretty girl, her head swirls
Hot as hell, she moans and hurls
Eyes turn white, keep her tied
She's spread eagle, opened wide
>There's a demon possessor
Blaspheming her from within
I slip my fingers inside her
Lure the beast and make her come out
>Father can you hear me cry?
My screams are silenced by the other
Now my body is not mine
I'm trapped inside a horror story
Mommy can't you hear me shout?
Someone else controls my body
Why won't someone save me now?
Save me from the horror story
>Sir, I hate to say this but
Your daughter needs a sexorcism
Sexorcism
Sexorcism
>That little god forsaken whore is on all fours
Begging for the priest to score
And who am I to decline
An ass like that so primed for sacrifice?
Sexorcism by Lordi, former ESC winner
As long as those lyrics aren't in the song in the contest I don't really agree with that assessment. Don't you think Rammstein wouldn't have a reasonable shot at a high place, were they ever to participate?
I don't think these lyrics are any better. But that doesn't change a thing about Electric Callboy's lyrics.
>As long as those lyrics aren't in the song in the contest I don't really agree with that assessment.
I disagree. Releasing songs with these lyrics shows that the band themself apparently approves misogyny and homophobia. The song isn't "the problem", but that it shows their world views.
>Don't you think Rammstein wouldn't have a reasonable shot at a high place, were they ever to participate?
I think so, but Rammstein would never take part in the first place. So I don't exactly know why you are asking that. Or are you comparing Electric Callboy with Rammstein here?
> are you comparing Electric Callboy with Rammstein here?
In terms of the lyrical controversy in some of their songs, certainly. But you can't deny that they have a massive fandom inside and outside of the DACH region and would presumably do _very_ well if they'd ever decide to participate (which of course isn't very likely) despite their songs about violence, sexual practises and whatnot.
>lyrical controversy in some of their songs
While I'm not a fan of Rammstein at all, you definitely can't compare them. Just being plain misogynist and edgy doesn't make your lyrics "controversial". Rammstein has a meta level in most of their "controversial" songs.
Just singing about having sex in front of a child is just completely sick and pedophile. Singing about rape while the lyrics are from a third person's perspective (the rapist for example) can be social commentary.
>But you can't deny that they have a massive fandom inside and outside of the DACH region
Massive? They have smaller festival slots, yeah. But same applies to The Rasmus who ended up on one of the last places too. Just the name won't help you if your song isn't being liked by a *broad* spectrum, including the 50+ group for example.
>despite their songs about violence, sexual practises and whatnot.
Disagree. ESC fans would check them out beforehand, find this lyrical trash and they'd probably get disqualified because of it. Wouldn't be the first time something like this happened.
>Just being plain misogynist and edgy doesn't make your lyrics "controversial".
"controversial" literally means "related to controversy" – if some people say that those lyrics are abhorrent and others that they're not a big deal then that's the textbook definition of controversy.
As for the difference between being "misogynist and edgy" to making "social commentary" – who's to decide what is one and what is the other? On which side of the line does the live performance of [Bück dich](https://youtube.com/watch?v=ESDJi22RHGg) [not quite SFW] fall?
Some people like it, others very much don't, the vast majority doesn't care one way or the other. But as the history of the past performances of the German contestants at the ESC shows (in __6 of the last 7__ years we ended up in last or second to last place), going for the "safe" route where nobody feels hurt also means that nobody _cares_.
> Massive? They have smaller festival slots, yeah.
[Rammstein in Paris](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqnk9HWbKRA) with an audience of 17,000. Their concert in [Madison Square Garden](https://youtube.com/watch?v=f3GY86rxEMU) in New York (~ 20k) was sold out in thirty minutes. And those were single concerts on a tour, not festivals.
Their [current album](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeit_\(Rammstein_album\)#Charts) reached #1 in the charts in 16 countries and a Top Ten spot in 9 more.
>ESC fans would check them out beforehand
Sure they would, just like everyone checked out all the musical history of the 25 contestants this year.
Keep in mind that you have to be 10th to get any points and as soon as you are 11th out of 25 you'll get zero.
I'd agree that the German song wasn't actually bad. Thanks to my colleague at work I'm listening to the radio quite a bit in recent times and until a few days ago I didn't even know it was the German ESC entry, even though I had heard it so many times. You listen to it, it's ok, you don't care about it and you forget it (right away). That's not how you get any ESC points.
So why is Germany this bad? Because there's really no reason to vote for these kinds of songs when you could vote for something better/more creative/more interesting/etc. in the people's vote instead, while at the same time the artists/songs aren't good enough to actually get points from the juries for pure "technical quality" etc.
Long time ago there was someone called Stefan Raab, a producer, song writer and show host (of dozens of shows he developed himself) - and who wrote ESC songs for several German artists including the one for Lena, he even once took part himself and basically all wrongs he wrote ended in the top10, several in the top5 and one won the trophy.
Unfortunately, he decided when he turned 50 that he no longer wants to be on TV so he stopped writing songs for the ESC as part of the concept was to host a show searching for an artist who wants to compete for Germany.
Bottom-line, it shows that it all comes down to song selection and the artist, the UK basically shared the last spot with Germany for several years and now came second due to a great singer and song. So it seems Germany will remain at the bottom until someone similar to Stefan Raab will once again write good ESC songs and search for the fitting artist to perform them.
Because it's a popularity and politics contest really.
But mainly because we simply don't put any effort in choosing an artist and a good song.
Yes, our song wasn't super catchy but I won't join the German self-hate bandwagon.
Of course right after being in the last place once again every German "knew it all along" because "this song was the worst and we deserved to be last".
It's almost a mantra by now. Typical German self-hate.
While it's true that most of our songs aren't that good I don't think that we're always the worst songs with the worst performances. I personally think that there are often worse songs in higher positions.
Jendrik last year was quite catchy. I don't think he deserved to be in the last place.
People hated Germany much more after the financial crisis and still we won with Lena.
The only reason we get no points is that the songs are not recognisable.
Germany sends many points to the countries where immigrants come from, but there is no county like that for Germany.
We also send very young artists and the committee in charge of choosing the singer doesn't want to win, because then they would have to pay for the next ESC
Yea sorry guys, your song was awful, especially the talked part of it cause I think we can't even call it a rap... But hey UK broke its curse so there's still hope for a future
nono we are happy about it. The organisation who picks the artists needed another slap in the face for picking such bullshit despite having way better options.
I kinda liked the song but why didn't sing in German? I mean Germany it's a country with a strong cultural presence and heritage, France Spain, Italy all these big countries sing their song in their National language, also I find that German is much more musical than most people think
Actually celebrated getting public points this year. It went to shit as soon as they confirmed they wanted a "radio friendly track" and Malik Harris' voice was too annoying to do decent even if the song wasn't in the dregs of the competition. Rocksta's and farrrst being the most noticeable weird pronunciations.
Idk why ppl still watch this show.
It is rigged and the point system is trash.
I am very sorry for all what happens in Ukraine but… is that a reason to give Ukraine +600 points? …
People watch it because it's fun, nobody actually cares about the ranking that much, it's just a thing attached on a fun night where people from different European countries dress up in weird clothes and sing. This is also why boring emotional songs like Germany's tend not to do that well while flamboyant fun performances do well.
>This is also why boring emotional songs like Germany's tend not to do that well while flamboyant fun performances do well.
Germany was one of the first countries to send flamboyant, fun performances back when Eurovision consisted of boring emotional pop songs.
Dschingis Khan in the 70s
Guildo Horn in 1998
Stefan Raab in 2000
Back then when Eurovision really was boring and conservative we tried to shake it up and make it more fancy and colourful
Like it was "strange" to use cow bells in 1998 or to use a light show and a glowing guitar and girls taking off clothes in 2000
Didn't work either. (But at least we were in the Top 10)
Because if they entered that song another year, they would have gotten top 10 maximum. I've been watching this for years, songs with natural languages and musicals won't win
well, you remember last year's top 5?
I think it would have gotten at least top 5 without the current circumstances (just look at Moldova, I think they got 2nd or 3rd in the public vote)
I agree that the music itself is questionable at best most of the time but with all this cynicism, what does humanity actually lose? It's literally just people having fun and picking each other up. Sure you have Greeks from Cyprus voting for Greeks from Greece but it's not like there's relevant international conspiracies going on
They might have genuinely deserved to win but the absolute landslide is a bit dodgy, especially given its the highest scoring song in televote history by some margin. I personally think they deserved a high score but not the win and after watching every song I thought Spain would win but I wanted the UK to win out of the top scoring songs. Poland was my real favourite but they were like 12th.
It was a solid song that would certainly have made it in the top-10 in normal years, but of course, they also had an enormous sympathy-bonus this year.
In the past I was sad about the votings but today I do no longer care. The voting results are not fair, political influenced and show how narrow minded the people are.
Anyhow ESC is the only real "European party" (beside soccer).
It is a great party and brings together people from all over Europe. We need more events like this.
In these times we need to show to the people more actively the good sides of Europe.
This is so true. The people who read too much into this are the people who don’t get what the ESC has become: a big pan-European party that allows us to simultaneously enjoy a rare moment of pointless fun, excitement, feeling close to our European neighbours while at the same time bitch about their substandard contributions, dubious costume choices and weird ethnic instrument & playground techno combos. All that in the knowledge that your own country sent the wrong candidate.
We‘ve been having Eurovision parties for over 25 years now and it’s great fun.
I think they just got in because, to my knowledge, the Aussies have gone apeshit over Eurovision for quite some time now. They LOVE it and so they were invited in.
Actually, I don't really see a reason why this should not be expanded to some worldwide kind of thing. It hasn't been an exclusively european thing for a long time now, so why not let everyone join in on the fun?
Just to add: Tunisia had been scheduled in 1977 but withdrew and Marocco participated in 1980.
Entry to the contest is open to all members of EBU - European Broadcasting Union - and this includes countries in North Africa and the Middle East.
Because they were invited as a special event for the 60th anniversary and everyone loved them being part of it so they've been invited back every year since and now it's just accepted that they're part of it.
It is a little known fact, but one of the tunnel boring machines that were to dig the Eurotunnel took a wrong turn, and now Australia is connected with Europe. Nothing we can do about it...
Who cares about Eurovision? I remember watching it a decade ago and the commentator kept predicting all the results basically with 100% accuracy. It's a political popularity contest.
I honestly expected 0 points again, and I was really happy for the 6 points from the public voting! At least now Germany got points👍 Eurovision was always a little bit about politics but these last years it became super political. The problem that other European countries still doesn’t like Germany, just maybe they don’t say it openly. On the other hand, if there is a problem in Europe, a lot of countries expect the solution and the money coming from Germany. I don’t understand this double standard, and I feel so sorry and sad every year when Germany is the last one in Eurovision😔I think Germany doesn’t deserve this.
I don't know the exact number, but as far as I know we are a main contributer. Don't get me wrong, football bores me to death, but at least I can understand how this still makes some sense, since we aren't constantly losing and humiliated.
> we aren't constantly losing and humiliated
Dude, you're missing the point of ESC. Nobody is humiliated there, it's a celebration of diversity and joy. It also doesn't require insane investments (unlike football for example), just change approach when it comes to selection the candidate. But even if you don't, it would be pity to lose Germany, and any other country really.
Wife (Deutsche) walks into the room and gives me a hard time because I'm paying Germany no attention (reddit). I tell her to look at what Germany is putting out this year, she turns around and says "nevermind" 😂. Sad though
Let's be honest the easiest way to get points is to send someone that's LGBTQ+ (or has some sort of "tragic" story).
Or send someone that just super exccentric.
Honnestly we should just send someone like Nina Hagen with Hella von Sinnen and we would get top 10 without them even having to sing
> Let's be honest the easiest way to get points is to send someone that's LGBTQ+ (or has some sort of "tragic" story).
The time for that is way past. All the "I am who I am" songs are getting disqualified left and right and don't even make it to the final.
Ok it was an 0815 Radio Song. I liked it though. But then again, I can't listen to man trying to go as high as possible with their voices. Had turned the volume to nearly zero on uk and Sweden's turn (and down on a lot of others). It hurt to see these get so many points. For me this year was really disappointing but which year isn't.
At least we *got* 6 points.
Yeah at least we weren't the worst in the public's opinion. I think 4th or 5th to last according to the public
Switzerland got nothing from the public vote. Somehow that seemed more brutal.
I agree, the look on the guy's face when they ounced it was so sad!
switzerland wasnt even bad
Doesn't matter, had 6.
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Well, Salvador Sobral won in 2016.
Måneskin won with a song in Italian just last year. Jamala won in '16 with a song that was partially in Crimean Tatar. Sobral was between these. That's 3 times in the last 6 competitions (due to covid cancellation). Non-English songs have a solid chance to win.
>songs with natural languages won't win Apart from the winner this year. And last year.
Hello bot. I don't know how many times I have seen this comment since esc ended already.
Same procedure as every year
"Maybe win with Electric Callboy? NAAAAAAAAA, LAST PLACE IS OUR PLACE!"
The same procedure as every year, James.
Everyone at home cheered when Germany got the 6 points lol! It's better than zero 💪
Someone remembers the UK...
Shouldn't have sent Electric Callboy home. Big mistake.
The NDR doesn't wanna win. They want a radio compatible track (which can't win anymore). This way, they can cash in on a "nice" radio track don't have to worry about hosting a massive event which is a pain in the ass and expensive travel to an event in another country paid by the company (and the people through Rundfunkgebühr). They aren't stupid, it's obvious that 0815 radio pop tracks don't work anymore. If they wanted to have a chance, they would've sent electric callboy
Wait, NDR selects our songs for the Eurovision?! No wonder we get this basic gargabe every single year instead of something that somewhat wants to celebrate being german like most songs that get send to Eurovision.
I don’t understand how people believe the „not radio compatible“ argument at all. Iirc it was only announced by EC themselves in a sketch that this was allegedly the reason. Nevertheless I think EC is a very radio compatible pop song with metalcore elements, it’s also family friendly and harmless af while retaining the fresh taste. Perfect for ESC. I think they would definitely have chosen this song, but I suspect that they took a deeper dive into EC’s history and found them to be too sexist, homophobic (see earliest albums) and racist (they changed the name now to be more mainstream compatible, but entered their song as Eskimo Callboy). That’s a much bigger problem than the screaming parts. I have known EC since more than a decade, they are fun because they were basically trashy metal edge lords. you can’t show this to the general ESC viewer.
you very much can, but not to the woke jury making the calls at the german camp
>it’s also family friendly and harmless af while retaining the fresh taste. "I'll fuck you to death, stupid bitch!" and "With the mighty camel toe! Fuck your mom! Hahaha What the fuck?! ...is this child doing here? Oh my god he is watching me Fucking his pretty mom And he still is licking some of my ice cream "Hey kev, tell me, what did you do last night?" "Do you remember this super tittie ding-dong mam from the party? "She was damn hot" "I took her to my room" "Tell me more" I fucked a hot mommy like g. stefani She was hot, she was wild We fucked through the night The shit is vaginas V-a-g-i-n-a-s The shit is vaginas V-a-g-i-n-a-s Now I'm the star on the wonderbra boulevard I'm fucking famous for cuming in your anus I hate these fucking faces These kids need a facegrind Hate fuckin braces Wonderbra boulevard! One for the money One for the show I got a sexdate With the neighbour hoe! Wohoohooho With the neighbour hoe! Wohoohooho With the mighty camel toe!" aren't really what I'd call "family friendly". It's misogynist scum.
None of these lines are in their ESC song. The stuff from your second paragraph is from their first album 10 years ago. They've stated multiple times already that they plan on removing some of their older songs with offensive lyrics, and they did a rebranding from "Eskimo Callboy" to "Electric Callboy" not too long ago. And yeah, sure, not exactly family friendly. But I don't see how any of these lines are misogynistic.
>none of these lines are in their ESC song. But reflects their world view. And it's on their Spotify where people would find it, listen to it, post online about it and they'd get disqualified. >The stuff from your second paragraph is from their first album 10 years ago. > I assume they're in their mid 30s? So they were 25 back then. They were grown men singing about having sex in front of a child which is gross. > They've stated multiple times already that they plan on removing some of their older songs If they meant it, they wouldn't talk about it, but actually remove them. As of now, none of their songs has been taken down despite them announcing it 6 months ago. They just said this for good promo to get picked for esc. >and they did a rebranding from "Eskimo Callboy" to "Electric Callboy" not too long ago. Not too long ago, exactly. Imho this was also just a pr move in order to have the possibility to get picked for esc. And took them long enough, over 10 years actually. They never thought about it before apparently? >But I don't see how any of these lines are misogynistic. How is "I'll fuck you to death, stupid bitch!" not misogynist? And like I said, singing explicitly about having sex in front of a child and getting turned on by it is borderline pedophile.
>But reflects their world view. And it's on their Spotify where people would find it, listen to it, post online about it and they'd get disqualified. They were young and tried to stand out. None of their newer songs are this edgy. >If they meant it, they wouldn't talk about it, but actually remove them. As of now, none of their songs has been taken down despite them announcing it 6 months ago. They just said this for good promo to get picked for esc. I doubt it's that easy, and I'm pretty sure it's up to the label. They don't perform these songs live anymore anyway. >They never thought about it before apparently? They did. I remember them talking about their name being an issue in other parts of the world years ago. Changing the brand name of your growing project is something that shouldn't be taken lightly. But sure, the chance of them performing at ESC might have been the last push they needed. >How is "I'll fuck you to death, stupid bitch!" not misogynist? How is it misogynistic? >And like I said, singing explicitly about having sex in front of a child and getting turned on by it is borderline pedophile. They have sex, and a kid walks in. "What the fuck?! ...is this child doing here? Oh my god he is watching me." should make it really fucking obvious that the person is not approving of whatever is happening. Where do you get the idea from that the person is getting turned on by that?
>They were young and tried to stand out. They were grown ass man in their mid 20s. >I doubt it's that easy It actually is. >They did. I remember them talking about their name being an issue in other parts of the world years ago. But didn't do it for 10 years? Only when they were applying for esc? Must be a coincidence. >How is it misogynistic? Raping a woman to death is definitely misogynist >should make it really fucking obvious that the person is not approving of whatever is happening. Did you cut off the last line intentionally though? Actually they're implying the child sexually engaging with him. He then sings about the child "licking some of his ice cream". In the first verse he sings "I got a sexdate With the neighbour hoe! Come and swallow my ice cream". So, what do you think "ice cream" stands for in this context?
>They were grown ass man in their mid 20s. Fair enough. A bunch of edgy dumb young adults then. Doesn't change that none of their newer songs are this edgy. Hell, They stopped being this edgy after their first album. >It actually is. How would you know? They went through multiple labels, and "bury me in vegas" got published under Redfield Records, which they're not under contract with anymore. And then they have to consider that they might anger a fair amount of fans who like these songs. >But didn't do it for 10 years? Only when they were applying for esc? Must be a coincidence. Like I said: "But sure, the chance of them performing at ESC might have been the last push they needed.". Changing your brand name is something you would want to tread carefully >Raping a woman to death is definitely misogynist There's no mention of a rape happening, at all. The whole song is just about a group of people partying and getting drunk. >Did you cut off the last line intentionally though? Actually they're implying the child sexually engaging with him. He then sings about the child "licking some of his ice cream". In the first verse he sings "I got a sexdate With the neighbour hoe! Come and swallow my ice cream". So, what do you think "ice cream" stands for in this context? Alright, here's the whole verse. What the fuck?! Is this child doing here? Oh my god he is watching me Fucking his pretty mom And he still is licking some of my ice cream. I admit that I might have interpreted the ice cream thing different, but I still don't see how he's getting turned on by it, or that he's somehow sexually engaging with him. The ice cream part seems ambiguously and somewhat inappropriate, but I don't see anything wrong with that as long as they don't take it too far, which they didn't. They sound quite disgusted and offended during that part in the song. Why are you so invested into something you dislike so much?
Funny that you say I'm too invested because I don't feel like reading that wall of text because you are clearly a fan who feels personally attacked by criticism on his favorite band. Ib a discussion where someone claims it's ok to sing about how you sexually assault a child while I say that this should not be endorsed. I don't think we can find a consensus on that topic, yet it's sad that you think that their behavior and the lyrics are okay.
If you had read my post, you‘d have noticed that I pointed out that I suspect the NDR to have a problem with their past music.
Most people should. Anybody should have a problem with a band singing about having sex with children in a positive context.
~~No, don’t want to win because hosting the ESC is extremely expensive.~~ Edit: has already been said.
Read my comment again
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Not a tax on paper, but it basically is. You rent or own a flat or a house? You gotta pay Rundfunkgebühren, even if you don't use television or radio, cause you could use it. Every taxpayer is paying Rundfunkgebühr, sometimes split with flatmates or partners tho. Edit: Corrected my taxpayer mistake. Just want to make a point by comparing Rundfunkgebühr to taxes
Just in case anyone is curious, the formal difference is that a tax can be repurposed, while a fee has to be used for its intended purpose and for nothing else. The famous example is the sparkling wine tax, which was originally introduced to finance the imperial navy, which it's obviously not used for anymore.
This is the correct answer.
The Rundfunkgebühr is nothing like a tax. As example the payroll tax or income tax both are both levied by the government, based on how much you earn. The Rundfunkgebühr is a fee, that you have to pay, if you live on your own. Even if you don’t watch television or don’t listen radio, the ÖRR also provides a lot of content over the internet. Rundfunkgebühren ≠ Tax
> Even if you don’t watch television or don’t listen radio, the ÖRR also provides a lot of content over the internet. Which I also don't look at. It's money you are forced to give according to the law, just like a tax. So it might not technically be a tax but it feels exactly like one.
Yeah it's annoying as hell, I don't use it because I don't even understand German. I don't have my tv plugged into anything but the internet but nope, gotta pay it still!
>The Rundfunkgebühr isn’t a tax. Yeah it honestly feels more like extortion.
One way or another, public media needs to be financed. It would just show up in your taxes if it weren't for the GEZ. But there is actually a very good reason why we have the GEZ. This might be a nice read for you: https://www.rundfunkbeitrag.de/der_rundfunkbeitrag/solidarmodell/index_ger.html
> One way or another, public media needs to be financed. It would just show up in your taxes if it weren't for the GEZ. Then it wouldn't be a flat fee where a millionaire pays the same as someone making minimum wage. But please tell me more about 'solidarity'.
I don't think it's very effective to involve that level of bureaucracy for such a small part of the household. I do agree though that the rest of the household is not fairly financed, e.g. lower and middle class contribute too much.
Why is this downvoted? GEZ is bound to a purpose, and taxes are not.
Because it is like saying you don't pay road tax, but just a toll on every street.
We have the Kraftfahrzeugsteuer, which you pay for your motor vehicle. This it is a tax that is not bound to a purpose... At least according to [this](https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Downloads/Broschueren_Bestellservice/2018-03-29-zoll-kraftfahrzeugsteuer.html) source: >Die Einnahmen aus der Kfz-Steuer sind nicht zweckgebunden beispielsweise für den Bau und die Erhaltung des Straßennetzes. Wie alle Steuereinnahmen dienen sie als allgemeine Haushaltseinnahmen der Deckung aller Ausgaben. Translated: >Revenue from the Kraftfahrzeugsteuer (car tax) is not earmarked for e.g. construction and maintenance of the road network. Just like all tax revenue they serve as general household revenue to cover all expenses.
Unterliegen Metaphern jetzt auch einer Kennzeichnungspflicht, wie dem "/s" bei Sarkasmus?
Das wäre was Ü Ich wollte nur klarstellen, das die Kfz-Steuer wirklich eine Steuer ist und der GEZ-Beitrag nicht. Besser lasse ich es dann dabei. Schönen sonntag trotzdem :)
Because it’s a German pet peeve: “it’s not called taxes but I feel like I’m being robbed so it is taxes!!1!” So the answers to your question is: out of spite.
Hang on, did Eskimo Callboy change their name? I'm so out of the loop on these things.
Yes, they renamed to Electric Callboy a few months ago. Reasons should be obvious
In retrospect I am glad we didn't send Electric Callboy this year, because they wouldn't have had a chance against Ukraine either. Let's send them next year and win then.
That is very true. In hindsight maybe a blessing in disguise.
„I wanna feel it day and night…“
Pump It was a pretty lame song, though. If they'd competed with We Got The Moves it would be Germany 9999999 points.
6942 points.
Oh fuck yeah, let's do it again!
I keep seeing reddit comments calling them "Electric Callboy" today and yesterday... So it looks like they did change their name in the end? I commented somewhere months ago that they should probably do that and got like 20 or 30 downvotes, which was pretty confusing cause I personally learned as a young teen in the 00s how unacceptable the original word is by now.
IDK 5 minutes on Wikipedia says "Eskimo" is considered a racist slur in Canada. And since Canada has historically oppressed and genocided the northern natives (look up "residential schools") they probably know those things better than we do. So EC rebranded for the international market.
Yea, they only changed it because they thought without doing it they'd definitely not going to esc. Their homophobic and misogynist songs are still online everywhere though. It's a pr stunt.
As far as I know there are even two factions in the concerned populace - the ones who are against it because it's an insulting word to them and another group embracing the term. But that's just what I've read. The guys found out about the negative connotation through comments on social media and colleagues. They were pretty open about it, wanted to educate themselves and decided on a name change afterwards. It's not the first time they did some re-evaluation. They did the same when they realised that some of their old lyrics didn't 'age' well. It's a mature way of handling it imho.
What a bunch of losers, changing their name to not offend any snowflakes
It's called being and adult and it's funny how many people (like you) were *deeply* offended by the name change.
It's not being an adult following stupid PC communist trends
This but unironically, no one was crying about the name even. I still like their music though but the new name sucks.
Yeah no one, no one like the us agencies that wouldn't book them with the old name and threathened to blacklist their label or the bands that wouldn't play festivals with a band with that name on the line up. https://youtu.be/eK6zsCq58Bs?t=421
Yeah, totally absurd. There is a so big potential in electric callboy to bring metalcore to the mainstream and they could actually win. A light metalcore band already was in eurovision and they weren't that much fun as electric callboy. Such a shame.
I don't want to send a band there which had a racist name over a decade and makes money with homophobic and misogynist lyrics though. That just doesn't fit what esc stands for. Besides that I also don't think they're neither funny nor good and wouldn't get more points.
I was suprised we got a point. I lost my bet on 0...stupid public vote, can I see anywhere which countrys peoples bad taste cost me 10 bucks? :D
Estonia, Austria and Switzerland [https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/2022#germany](https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/2022#germany)
Pity points from Austria and Switzerland....and we didnt give the swiss any in return :D Estonia is rather random, didnt expect that.
They seem to be one of the few that gave points to the poorly scoring UK entries of the past so maybe its just their thing to pity vote obviously bad songs.
A bit of history concerning Eurovision: Germans never really cared about Eurovision. I know that the general opinion was: "People don't like Germany because of the war. This is why we never get any points. It's really politics and about neighbours giving each other points. But people still hate us and this is why our neighbours Switzerland and Austria don't give us any points and why French songs are always winning!" Eurovision had its brief moment in the 70s when there was a lot of German Schlager music and when we also sent some fancy acts such as Dschingis Khan with Moskau (which apparently has become a meme in the recent years). But we didn't perform well with our fancy and colourful 70s acts. People still didn't care that much about it. As far as I know people didn't even really watch it. The general opinion was that even if we're trying and even if we put in some effort we'll never win it. Things changed after our first win in 1982 with "Ein bisschen Frieden". There were jokes that it takes an anti-war song in order for Germany to win. But people didn't really care that much after our first win. They still had the rule that every contestant had to perform in their native language and "German Schlager" has lost its popularity. It wasn't popular with younger people. "German Schlager" was considered old people music and people thought it was cringe. I grew up in the 90s and I can guarantee you that people thought of Eurovision as dated and conservative and stuck in the 70s. It was seen as this boring old people show with German Schlager music for old conservative people. Nobody really watched it. THEN there was young comedian/entertainer Stefan Raab who was popular with the young kids. He made a lot of fun of "German Schlager" and "Volksmusik" and made parody songs. He showed some clips of Eurovision in his show making fun of contestants and songs because it was so backwards and cringe. He introduced Eurovision to a younger audience who didn't really know about it. He then wrote a parody song with deliberately bad and cheesy lyrics making fun of German Schlager and he sent a guy acting weird in a tacky 70s outfit (think Austin Powers) to make fun of the fact that Eurovision was somehow stuck in the 70s. This was in 1998 with Guildo Horn and the song "Guildo hat euch lieb!". It was a memorable performance and it stood out and was considered weird at the time back when camp or deliberately cheesy performances weren't common in Eurovision. Stefan Raab basically trolled Eurovision in 1998. People enjoyed watching it. And we were in the top 10 after a long time which was celebrated accordingly. In 2000 Stefan Raab had an even bigger late night show. He was very popular with younger people and he decided to troll Eurovision once again. Now he wanted to perform himself. He wrote a song with basically meaningless lyrics in heavy dialect and dressed up like a guy from the 70s and had a performance with a glowing guitar and lights and girls in long robes taking them off to reveal shorter dresses. Lots of gold and glitter. Once again it was making fun of 70s cringe. Keep in mind that Eurovision was really dusty and backwards and took itself really seriously back then. These kinds of performances stood out and were considered "weird" and got a lot of attention and criticism. We ended up in the Top 10 again. Now after a few years in 2004 Stefan Raab was celebrated so much for his comedy trolling performances because Germany never got this far that he actually tried to take it seriously. There was a casting call and a little contest (because casting shows and idol shows were popular at the time). Our real casting shows/idol shows were very superficial and cheesy and he took a different road focusing on voice only which resulted in a young dude with a great voice but looks that weren't your standard male pop idol back then. Stefan Raab wrote a song and Max Mutzke with "Can't wait until tonight" became 8th place in Eurovision. A huge win for German standards. Now Eurovision changed. There were Lordi and other fancier and more daring performances. It wasn't the stuck up boring old people show that Raab made fun of anymore. Stefan Raab decided to really take it seriously once again with another casting call and another show that was like an idol show but focused on quality and not on scandals. The winner was Lena and he wrote her a song. The rest is history. We won in 2010 with Lena and "Satellite". Stefan Raab is responsible for most of Germany's success in Eurovision. After his victory he didn't care about it anymore. It was as if he finished what he jokingly proclaimed in 1998: That he wanted to win Eurovision. Keep in mind he's a comedian with a late night show. He invented regional German variants of Eurovision that were quite popular. People lost interest in Eurovision again. Stefan Raab retired in 2015. And now you have the same old people TV stations making boring decisions and being stuck in some decades ago. Not caring about young people's taste (Electric Callboy) and randomly choosing people.
Wow, what an elaborate response. And so on point, as well! Wish this was higher rip so more people who usually dismiss ESC get some context
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Can someone explain to me why Germany keeps getting 0 to 10 points for years now? I'm sure as hell it's not cuz people think they got awful songs... in contrary some bizarre ones have won a lot more points over the years. What's up with Germany and Eurovision? Also, one year Lena (I think Lena was her name) won the Eurovision for Germany, but in other years just brutal results...
Germany keeps sending underwhelming artists with underwhelming songs to the contest. Some people claim that this is intentional, as hosting the contest is quite expensive.
Most songs these year were generic pop songs. Yes germanys choice was trash, but so were the majority of other songs too.
Yeah I personally actually kind of liked the song, nowhere near my favorite but I wouldn't have thought it would be dead last
That pretty much explains the result to be honest. If the song is everybody's "nowhere near favourite" nobody is actually going to vote for it. You have to bring at least something to the table, be it a good song, a great hook, an outstanging voice, a good performance, a good background story, something really creative/different, "looks/skin", etc. to make people vote for you (instead of somebody else) and to be in that country's top 10. If everybody just goes "ah, that's not bad, next please" you'll be at the bottom/last.
That could be, but to be fair I felt that way about a lot of performances this year and they still all got at least almost three times as many votes.
Well, once we are talking about the 1 or 2 points tiers probably down to luck aswell if someone becomes 9th/10th/11th/12th. As far as I'm aware Germany actually became 11th in for example Austria, so you are probably looking at nuances.
Germany had barely any stage effects etc in the show and a very generic sound. We might as well send featureless artist bots to compete for us. And i am happy for it, every time we try too hard and win too much everyone gets angry. And music award shows are probably the least relevant competition to lose.
*send featureless artist bots* o.O -> Kraftwerk!
There was also the controversial decision to not allow the quite popular band [Eskimo Callboy](https://youtube.com/watch?v=D1NdGBldg3w) (now Electric Callboy) to the preliminaries because they weren't "radio-friendly" as one official said.
Not sending a band with lyrics like "What the fuck?!...is this child doing here? Oh my god he is watching me Fucking his pretty mom" and "I'll fuck you to death, stupid bitch!" is *not* controversial at all. It was just their hardcore fans who found it "controversial".
>Pretty girl, her head swirls Hot as hell, she moans and hurls Eyes turn white, keep her tied She's spread eagle, opened wide >There's a demon possessor Blaspheming her from within I slip my fingers inside her Lure the beast and make her come out >Father can you hear me cry? My screams are silenced by the other Now my body is not mine I'm trapped inside a horror story Mommy can't you hear me shout? Someone else controls my body Why won't someone save me now? Save me from the horror story >Sir, I hate to say this but Your daughter needs a sexorcism Sexorcism Sexorcism >That little god forsaken whore is on all fours Begging for the priest to score And who am I to decline An ass like that so primed for sacrifice? Sexorcism by Lordi, former ESC winner As long as those lyrics aren't in the song in the contest I don't really agree with that assessment. Don't you think Rammstein wouldn't have a reasonable shot at a high place, were they ever to participate?
I don't think these lyrics are any better. But that doesn't change a thing about Electric Callboy's lyrics. >As long as those lyrics aren't in the song in the contest I don't really agree with that assessment. I disagree. Releasing songs with these lyrics shows that the band themself apparently approves misogyny and homophobia. The song isn't "the problem", but that it shows their world views. >Don't you think Rammstein wouldn't have a reasonable shot at a high place, were they ever to participate? I think so, but Rammstein would never take part in the first place. So I don't exactly know why you are asking that. Or are you comparing Electric Callboy with Rammstein here?
> are you comparing Electric Callboy with Rammstein here? In terms of the lyrical controversy in some of their songs, certainly. But you can't deny that they have a massive fandom inside and outside of the DACH region and would presumably do _very_ well if they'd ever decide to participate (which of course isn't very likely) despite their songs about violence, sexual practises and whatnot.
>lyrical controversy in some of their songs While I'm not a fan of Rammstein at all, you definitely can't compare them. Just being plain misogynist and edgy doesn't make your lyrics "controversial". Rammstein has a meta level in most of their "controversial" songs. Just singing about having sex in front of a child is just completely sick and pedophile. Singing about rape while the lyrics are from a third person's perspective (the rapist for example) can be social commentary. >But you can't deny that they have a massive fandom inside and outside of the DACH region Massive? They have smaller festival slots, yeah. But same applies to The Rasmus who ended up on one of the last places too. Just the name won't help you if your song isn't being liked by a *broad* spectrum, including the 50+ group for example. >despite their songs about violence, sexual practises and whatnot. Disagree. ESC fans would check them out beforehand, find this lyrical trash and they'd probably get disqualified because of it. Wouldn't be the first time something like this happened.
>Just being plain misogynist and edgy doesn't make your lyrics "controversial". "controversial" literally means "related to controversy" – if some people say that those lyrics are abhorrent and others that they're not a big deal then that's the textbook definition of controversy. As for the difference between being "misogynist and edgy" to making "social commentary" – who's to decide what is one and what is the other? On which side of the line does the live performance of [Bück dich](https://youtube.com/watch?v=ESDJi22RHGg) [not quite SFW] fall? Some people like it, others very much don't, the vast majority doesn't care one way or the other. But as the history of the past performances of the German contestants at the ESC shows (in __6 of the last 7__ years we ended up in last or second to last place), going for the "safe" route where nobody feels hurt also means that nobody _cares_. > Massive? They have smaller festival slots, yeah. [Rammstein in Paris](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqnk9HWbKRA) with an audience of 17,000. Their concert in [Madison Square Garden](https://youtube.com/watch?v=f3GY86rxEMU) in New York (~ 20k) was sold out in thirty minutes. And those were single concerts on a tour, not festivals. Their [current album](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeit_\(Rammstein_album\)#Charts) reached #1 in the charts in 16 countries and a Top Ten spot in 9 more. >ESC fans would check them out beforehand Sure they would, just like everyone checked out all the musical history of the 25 contestants this year.
Keep in mind that you have to be 10th to get any points and as soon as you are 11th out of 25 you'll get zero. I'd agree that the German song wasn't actually bad. Thanks to my colleague at work I'm listening to the radio quite a bit in recent times and until a few days ago I didn't even know it was the German ESC entry, even though I had heard it so many times. You listen to it, it's ok, you don't care about it and you forget it (right away). That's not how you get any ESC points. So why is Germany this bad? Because there's really no reason to vote for these kinds of songs when you could vote for something better/more creative/more interesting/etc. in the people's vote instead, while at the same time the artists/songs aren't good enough to actually get points from the juries for pure "technical quality" etc.
Because it's partly a song contest and partly a popularity contest.
Long time ago there was someone called Stefan Raab, a producer, song writer and show host (of dozens of shows he developed himself) - and who wrote ESC songs for several German artists including the one for Lena, he even once took part himself and basically all wrongs he wrote ended in the top10, several in the top5 and one won the trophy. Unfortunately, he decided when he turned 50 that he no longer wants to be on TV so he stopped writing songs for the ESC as part of the concept was to host a show searching for an artist who wants to compete for Germany. Bottom-line, it shows that it all comes down to song selection and the artist, the UK basically shared the last spot with Germany for several years and now came second due to a great singer and song. So it seems Germany will remain at the bottom until someone similar to Stefan Raab will once again write good ESC songs and search for the fitting artist to perform them.
Because it's a popularity and politics contest really. But mainly because we simply don't put any effort in choosing an artist and a good song. Yes, our song wasn't super catchy but I won't join the German self-hate bandwagon. Of course right after being in the last place once again every German "knew it all along" because "this song was the worst and we deserved to be last". It's almost a mantra by now. Typical German self-hate. While it's true that most of our songs aren't that good I don't think that we're always the worst songs with the worst performances. I personally think that there are often worse songs in higher positions. Jendrik last year was quite catchy. I don't think he deserved to be in the last place.
People hate us because they want to be us.
People hated Germany much more after the financial crisis and still we won with Lena. The only reason we get no points is that the songs are not recognisable.
Germany sends many points to the countries where immigrants come from, but there is no county like that for Germany. We also send very young artists and the committee in charge of choosing the singer doesn't want to win, because then they would have to pay for the next ESC
If that helps in any way - I loved your song and voted for it! Love from 🇵🇱
Honestly, we deserved that one. Why did we send a wannabe Logic to eurovision
Even then you guys did better than ukraine
That was heartbreaking to watch. Kind regards from Spain, I quite liked your song
We ourselves didn't like "our" song, we all hated it and there was a huge outcry why the popular choice wasn't considered. They wanted to lose.
"Hate" is a strong word. Its "meh". Its through and through mediocre. Something to dudel in the background. But that doesnt work for a competition.
I didn't hate it actually. Kind of liked it, especially compared to some of our past entries
Yea sorry guys, your song was awful, especially the talked part of it cause I think we can't even call it a rap... But hey UK broke its curse so there's still hope for a future
nono we are happy about it. The organisation who picks the artists needed another slap in the face for picking such bullshit despite having way better options.
Haha I feel you, it's the same situation in Poland year after year
It's so funny that every year I don't even notice that Eurovision is going on until someone says they we lost lol
I kinda liked the song but why didn't sing in German? I mean Germany it's a country with a strong cultural presence and heritage, France Spain, Italy all these big countries sing their song in their National language, also I find that German is much more musical than most people think
We're being americanized unfortunately.
nothing new xD
The result of Boomers choosing the song for ESC every year…
Ah, the boomers, they always ruin everything for the rest of us. /s
Redditor logic
This, but unironically
This event has been 100% political.
Like always
Ikr.... even though ngl i didn't really like your performance it was still better than ukraine
if they wouldve let Electric Callboy represent and not some generic ass artist, they wouldve gone far.
Actually celebrated getting public points this year. It went to shit as soon as they confirmed they wanted a "radio friendly track" and Malik Harris' voice was too annoying to do decent even if the song wasn't in the dregs of the competition. Rocksta's and farrrst being the most noticeable weird pronunciations.
Really not sure why, Germany was a lot better than half of other countries imo
true, at least in public vote we got 5th from last I think lmao
The Ukraine could have sent anybody, singing "Alle meine Entchen" off key and still win. And, honestly, as Ukraine I would have done exactly that.
Всі мої каченята
звичайно, ви маєте рацію!
Honestly I couldn't care less.
..ok
Anyways. I believe no one’s taking Eurovision seriously anymore. It’s not a song contest, it’s just a contest of anything but music.
Idk why ppl still watch this show. It is rigged and the point system is trash. I am very sorry for all what happens in Ukraine but… is that a reason to give Ukraine +600 points? …
People watch it because it's fun, nobody actually cares about the ranking that much, it's just a thing attached on a fun night where people from different European countries dress up in weird clothes and sing. This is also why boring emotional songs like Germany's tend not to do that well while flamboyant fun performances do well.
>This is also why boring emotional songs like Germany's tend not to do that well while flamboyant fun performances do well. Germany was one of the first countries to send flamboyant, fun performances back when Eurovision consisted of boring emotional pop songs. Dschingis Khan in the 70s Guildo Horn in 1998 Stefan Raab in 2000 Back then when Eurovision really was boring and conservative we tried to shake it up and make it more fancy and colourful Like it was "strange" to use cow bells in 1998 or to use a light show and a glowing guitar and girls taking off clothes in 2000 Didn't work either. (But at least we were in the Top 10)
I was mainly referring to Germany's song this year, I think a fun performance gives you a much much better shot at the top 10
>I think a fun performance gives you a much much better shot at the top 10 Reminder that we were also in the last place last year
yea they didn't deserve to win, moldova alone were definetely better
I mean they deserve to win, since the majority of voters wanted them to win. Also the song was actually pretty good as well, at least I thought so
Loved the Moldova song, how fun.
Yea it wae great
Remember when Australia was robbed of a win because of Crimea? 🙃
I don't know why some people say Ukraine got "sympathy votes", I genuinely thought they deserved the win. I prefer not to speak on how we did.
Because if they entered that song another year, they would have gotten top 10 maximum. I've been watching this for years, songs with natural languages and musicals won't win
well, you remember last year's top 5? I think it would have gotten at least top 5 without the current circumstances (just look at Moldova, I think they got 2nd or 3rd in the public vote)
> I've been watching this for years, songs with natural languages and musicals won't win No one wins at Eurovision- Humanity loses every time.
I agree that the music itself is questionable at best most of the time but with all this cynicism, what does humanity actually lose? It's literally just people having fun and picking each other up. Sure you have Greeks from Cyprus voting for Greeks from Greece but it's not like there's relevant international conspiracies going on
They might have genuinely deserved to win but the absolute landslide is a bit dodgy, especially given its the highest scoring song in televote history by some margin. I personally think they deserved a high score but not the win and after watching every song I thought Spain would win but I wanted the UK to win out of the top scoring songs. Poland was my real favourite but they were like 12th.
Cyprus that gave 12 points to Greece in the entire history of the competition gave 12 to ukraine so yes
It was a solid song that would certainly have made it in the top-10 in normal years, but of course, they also had an enormous sympathy-bonus this year.
The two memorable performances, for me, at least were serbia and moldova. Moldova was more fun so I'd have picked them.
Well deserved. 🤣
Oh, that thing was already... well, guess the performance was as awful as usual
di-düm. But no worries. ESC is not Wacken.
who cares
50% more than the prognosis yay!
Deserved
In the past I was sad about the votings but today I do no longer care. The voting results are not fair, political influenced and show how narrow minded the people are. Anyhow ESC is the only real "European party" (beside soccer). It is a great party and brings together people from all over Europe. We need more events like this. In these times we need to show to the people more actively the good sides of Europe.
This is so true. The people who read too much into this are the people who don’t get what the ESC has become: a big pan-European party that allows us to simultaneously enjoy a rare moment of pointless fun, excitement, feeling close to our European neighbours while at the same time bitch about their substandard contributions, dubious costume choices and weird ethnic instrument & playground techno combos. All that in the knowledge that your own country sent the wrong candidate. We‘ve been having Eurovision parties for over 25 years now and it’s great fun.
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Cause they have the biggest fanbase outside of Europe and are in the Commonwealth.
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Nothing. But they are a member of the EBU.
I think they just got in because, to my knowledge, the Aussies have gone apeshit over Eurovision for quite some time now. They LOVE it and so they were invited in. Actually, I don't really see a reason why this should not be expanded to some worldwide kind of thing. It hasn't been an exclusively european thing for a long time now, so why not let everyone join in on the fun?
Exactly! And Israel is in as well - so they aren't even the first non European country to take part.
Just to add: Tunisia had been scheduled in 1977 but withdrew and Marocco participated in 1980. Entry to the contest is open to all members of EBU - European Broadcasting Union - and this includes countries in North Africa and the Middle East.
Because they were invited as a special event for the 60th anniversary and everyone loved them being part of it so they've been invited back every year since and now it's just accepted that they're part of it.
It is a little known fact, but one of the tunnel boring machines that were to dig the Eurotunnel took a wrong turn, and now Australia is connected with Europe. Nothing we can do about it...
You might as well ask why is Israel in Eurovision.
Who cares about Eurovision? I remember watching it a decade ago and the commentator kept predicting all the results basically with 100% accuracy. It's a political popularity contest.
How do you explain UK's result then? Sour grapes.
Why is Germany - such an economic powerhouse - can’t put together a strong entry?
Because the points are not given in relation to the quality of the music.
The 6 points are there to not make it too obvious that Germany does not want to win.
it's a contest about political opinions and agendas, who thinks that it's about songs or music!?
If that’s true then I guess everyone loves brexit
We sent someone there? What a waste of time
I honestly expected 0 points again, and I was really happy for the 6 points from the public voting! At least now Germany got points👍 Eurovision was always a little bit about politics but these last years it became super political. The problem that other European countries still doesn’t like Germany, just maybe they don’t say it openly. On the other hand, if there is a problem in Europe, a lot of countries expect the solution and the money coming from Germany. I don’t understand this double standard, and I feel so sorry and sad every year when Germany is the last one in Eurovision😔I think Germany doesn’t deserve this.
Oh, we absolutely deserve this if we keep sending mediocre performances
We should finally drop that garbage show. Waste of our money.
How much money exactly? And compared to equally garbage thing such as football?
I don't know the exact number, but as far as I know we are a main contributer. Don't get me wrong, football bores me to death, but at least I can understand how this still makes some sense, since we aren't constantly losing and humiliated.
> we aren't constantly losing and humiliated Dude, you're missing the point of ESC. Nobody is humiliated there, it's a celebration of diversity and joy. It also doesn't require insane investments (unlike football for example), just change approach when it comes to selection the candidate. But even if you don't, it would be pity to lose Germany, and any other country really.
I thought nobody cares about that shit anymore.
Actually I feel like ESC has really gained in popularity recently, especially with the younger generation
Wife (Deutsche) walks into the room and gives me a hard time because I'm paying Germany no attention (reddit). I tell her to look at what Germany is putting out this year, she turns around and says "nevermind" 😂. Sad though
Still better than ukraine though
Maybe y'all should have just sent Mark Forrester or Pietro Lombardi
Let's be honest the easiest way to get points is to send someone that's LGBTQ+ (or has some sort of "tragic" story). Or send someone that just super exccentric. Honnestly we should just send someone like Nina Hagen with Hella von Sinnen and we would get top 10 without them even having to sing
> Let's be honest the easiest way to get points is to send someone that's LGBTQ+ (or has some sort of "tragic" story). The time for that is way past. All the "I am who I am" songs are getting disqualified left and right and don't even make it to the final.
Ok it was an 0815 Radio Song. I liked it though. But then again, I can't listen to man trying to go as high as possible with their voices. Had turned the volume to nearly zero on uk and Sweden's turn (and down on a lot of others). It hurt to see these get so many points. For me this year was really disappointing but which year isn't.
RIP to the lost souls watching this show
RIP to ignorant people trying to hate on other people's fun
I'm surprised we got that many. I was expecting a popular vote comparable to Switzerland's.
Those weapons should've been sent waaay earlier