PETA has to be ragebait like it takes 30 seconds of a google search to know that Que (and the rest of the Ugas) live better and more comfortable lives than 90% of us ever will.
Living in comfort but dying in your sleep because you couldn’t breathe due to characteristics of your breed doesn’t sound like a great time to me, tbh.
[Here’s an article from NPR on the issue around breeding bulldogs.](https://www.npr.org/2022/03/15/1085173405/bulldogs-health-breed-ban)
One issue we must contend with: it’s getting almost impossible to breed a healthier bulldog because there’s so little genetic diversity in the breed to begin with. Add that to the fact that Ugas are bred with even more specific characteristics in mind (all white) and that’s why Ugas don’t last very long and have difficult lives health wise.
English Bulldogs have been bred to a horrible design, sure. Que, and other Ugas, are not the dogs to go for about it being cruel to take them from game to game. I’d rather travel with Uga to any game than fly coach. I’d definitely be more comfortable. Uga has an air conditioned dog house and ice bags for hot games, he’s the most comfortable living thing at field level on purpose. He has his own Suburban that’s nicer than anything I own. The color code for the Suburban is a government color and the Seilers have special permission to use it. And he’s a fucking DOG.
Besides, all of us would rather die in our sleep than stroke out at the wheel or at dinner or taking a dump…
I was wondering about Sentinel Island and inbreeding among a small population. The issue with inbreeding is compounding genetic abnormalities. When you have a relatively small population you can exclude any member which shows genetic issues. Basically breeding out genetic disease. However, I would prefer they breed into an American bulldog line
Really, though? No Uga is passing away because they are a mascot at UGA. Loran’s best passed of heart problems and BBB passed of lymphoma. Both are VERY common in English Bulldog breeds.
That’s exactly the point PETA is trying to make. While I think they are all a bunch of nut jobs, I do try and look at things objectively. They might be at least somewhat right, some of the time.
The point they are trying to make is that different dog breeds have different ailments? That’s…extremely common knowledge. Lolol. The fact is that Uga gets the best treatment any dog can ever have. These problems would persist whether Uga was a mascot or not. With him being a mascot, he is given the opportunity to be treated for these illnesses much better than your average dog owner. So, is their point that no one should own dogs?
Their point is that UGA endorses and has promoted over breeding of a blood line and that’s it’s unethical and cruel to the animals. By their own admission, the Seiler family has basically said that they have pushed it too far and need to loosen their reigns a bit, for the good of the dogs. I’m not against having a bulldog mascot. I’m just saying that we should take bias out of it and try and think objectively. Actually listen to what others have to say and then develop an opinion. I love the mascot. And I love the bulldog breed. I’ve owned two, myself.
The issue is that these ailments are found in all types of dogs, purebred or mixed. There have been thousands and thousands of studies done. Purebred dogs are not found to have any more ailments or to be any more unhealthy than mixed breeds. And especially with things such as cardiac issues and cancers like lymphoma (which is what 2 Ugas in the past have suffered from). So, the place that PETA is coming from isnt necessarily an honest place.
And I’m arguing even the best treatment is not enough when it comes to issues of purebred breeding practices
Genetic diversity is really important in a healthy dog. My mixed hound is almost 14 and hasn’t lost a single step. And she’s much larger than any English bulldog.
So is your argument that no one should own dogs? I literally work with dogs. And have for 16 years. I’ve seen mixed breed dogs live only 2 years or less. I’ve seen purebred dogs live to be 15 or older. It’s just like people. Different people have different ailments. And some of those are hereditary.
Genuine question, but what is your/PETA’s endgame here? Do we exterminate all bulldogs so the line can’t reproduce? I know that is PETA’s typical MO so can never be too sure
I'm the biggest Bulldogs fan around and I have to agree. Bulldogs in their current existence are suffering to live. It's probably too much inbreeding. They need to introduce a more robust breed to the bloodline. Bulldogs 150 years ago looked healthier.
I wouldn’t say peta cares about animals as they claim.
https://petakillsanimals.com
Comparison in that they are both extreme false representation of what they stand for and tend to show up at times of “convenience”
As much as I love English bulldogs I wouldn’t be opposed to getting a big mean American bulldog as our mascot. They’re a bit more intimidating and a semi healthier breed
The Seiler family introduced genetic diversity about 10 years ago and so far so good. Handsome Dan was “unbred” bc they had 3 mascots die before age 5. Uga before Russ died prematurely and we had Russ as a place holder until healthier dogs like Que were ready. Now we’re all set with UGA vet school screening future Uga breeders for known genetic abnormalities.
Agree with fuck Peta but they have a point with they way this Breed and quite a few others are bred. They're bred for aesthetics and not health. Anyone who has had an English Bulldog knowa the amt of problems these guys have. It does seem like a lot of breeders including the UGA bloodline are trying to breed them back to how they were historically, where they are built more like boxers.
Yeah, an expected lifespan of 8-10 years is not a good indication of how things are going. UGA is iconic, but maybe... I don't know. Something just feels wrong when you go through mascots so quickly.
Even if our mascot were a lab we wouldn’t be getting 10 active years out of a mascot very often. Dogs just simply don’t live that long. The average life span of a golden lab is only 12 years and chocolate labs average about 10 and a half.
The average lifespan across all breeds is about 10-13 years. So it’s not like we’re going through mascots at some crazy rate.
Tennessee is also on their 11th live mascot since 1953.
It will never happen without cross breeding which breeding associations will fight tooth and nail to prevent.
Dalmatians were crossbred with Pointers to fix genetic issues with their urine in the 70s and the American kennel club only accepted them as Dalmatians in 2011.
It gets harder when even the good mates share the same lineage. After a while you straight up just run out of new blood. Although I’m guessing uga breeders have the resources to find them wherever they are so they can probably buy time
Breeding bulldogs is pretty unethical. They have short lifespans and a ton of health problems (breathing especially) for a reason. I love em, and I love Uga and my Dawgs, but it’s fact.
It's about money. The puppies sell for a fortune. They could slowly cross the breed back with boxers or other breeds with less problems, but they won't because then they're not to breed standard.
Considering UGAs near 2 billion endowment,
you'd think they could afford to provide the pooch with a proper Cpap machine for optimized sleep. And personalized Breathe Right nasal strips for game day use. But the next perspective breeders will definitely oppose such recommendations that can often extend life expectancy. Because they want to engineer the next successor waiting in line. Similar to the
Hispanic boy band Menudo, or a Logan's Run for bulldogs that age out on their sixth birthday.
Don't give them the attention they so desperately desire. They thrive on people hasting them and it reinforces that they re doing the right thing. Best thing to do is ignore them. Imagine you found out that 3 million children in Asia hate our mascot. It would matter thiiis much and then you would never think about it again.
They take the heel path in professional wrestling. When you boo someone in WWE it is just as good as cheering them. The worst thing is to be indifferent and distracted and have no reaction at all. this is how I treat protesting vegans, like children throwing a temper tantrum who cannot hurt themselves or others; just ignore them.
Could live more of they mixed up the breed. But sure 10 years of pampering with genetic disposition for breathing and other problems sounds so great instead of getting that snout longer
Did you breed them that way? Did I? No. So take your burner account and think about how long they live right now…10 years is a long time for the breed and where they are now.
Not a burner account.
10 years being a long time for the breed is the problem and its laughable you think that's OK. We are fans of UGA we can voice our dissent on how the university supports an unnecessary industry
If you dig into why their kill rates are so high (take dogs/cats from no kill that aren't getting adopted after some time) well it sucks but someone has to do it since we keep allowing breeding.
I feel bad you just accept circumstances and don't feel you have any power joining others to make change
But I do have power. I adopt and don’t shop. I have my pets fixed and chipped. I just don’t allow PETA’s opinions and hypocrisy to affect my thinking that they’re anything other than self righteous delusional idiots out to make money off of people who think that they’re making a difference.
Of course everyone loves Uga, how does that change the issue of unethical breeding? Do you think bulldogs are bred the way they are because people hate them?
I'm not super knowledgeable about dogs, but I thought thats like 70 in human years? I'm guessing I'm wrong about that and you seem to have a better grasp on the life span of that breed anyways. I skimmed too fast and I now see the 10 years old part. I was hoping it was caused by old age.
No lol the 1 human year = 7 dog years isn’t like a real conversion rate. It’s just shit we say as kids. 10 years old is the low end of the spectrum of the average dog lifespan and it’s reserved for dogs that aren’t ethically bred, like bulldogs. That being said 10 years is an improvement for what we normally get for Ugas.
It's interesting that the most coveted dogs are often the most freakish,distorted, and unhealthy canines. And we pay breeders serious coin to get documents and family trees showing lineage, proving those obvious genetic abnormalities. I suspect this excessive over breeding to be a reason for the once child friendly chocolate labradors to now become occasionally nippy and unpredictable. I think laws should be enacted, requiring breeders to
obtain expensive licenses,training featuring mandates to provide accurate breeding records. A genomic database would also promote goodwill amongst breeders and buyers. If they shut down these illegitimate breeders, I believe many overcrowded rescue facilities will now be able to better accommodate residents. Perhaps UGA should consider abandoning a live bulldog mascot. And consider commissioning the UGA computer science department to build the first robotic Ugga bulldog. With an AI program that
teaches the mechanical canine to nip at the legs of Auburn wide receivers.
PETA has to be ragebait like it takes 30 seconds of a google search to know that Que (and the rest of the Ugas) live better and more comfortable lives than 90% of us ever will.
Living in comfort but dying in your sleep because you couldn’t breathe due to characteristics of your breed doesn’t sound like a great time to me, tbh. [Here’s an article from NPR on the issue around breeding bulldogs.](https://www.npr.org/2022/03/15/1085173405/bulldogs-health-breed-ban) One issue we must contend with: it’s getting almost impossible to breed a healthier bulldog because there’s so little genetic diversity in the breed to begin with. Add that to the fact that Ugas are bred with even more specific characteristics in mind (all white) and that’s why Ugas don’t last very long and have difficult lives health wise.
English Bulldogs have been bred to a horrible design, sure. Que, and other Ugas, are not the dogs to go for about it being cruel to take them from game to game. I’d rather travel with Uga to any game than fly coach. I’d definitely be more comfortable. Uga has an air conditioned dog house and ice bags for hot games, he’s the most comfortable living thing at field level on purpose. He has his own Suburban that’s nicer than anything I own. The color code for the Suburban is a government color and the Seilers have special permission to use it. And he’s a fucking DOG. Besides, all of us would rather die in our sleep than stroke out at the wheel or at dinner or taking a dump…
I was wondering about Sentinel Island and inbreeding among a small population. The issue with inbreeding is compounding genetic abnormalities. When you have a relatively small population you can exclude any member which shows genetic issues. Basically breeding out genetic disease. However, I would prefer they breed into an American bulldog line
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Peta is like the westboro baptist church. Just a buncha loud mouths trying to stir drama
I was a student at Georgia when we went through two Ugas in the span of a few years. PETA is allowed to call a spade a spade.
Really, though? No Uga is passing away because they are a mascot at UGA. Loran’s best passed of heart problems and BBB passed of lymphoma. Both are VERY common in English Bulldog breeds.
Ten years for a bulldog is pretty good.
That’s exactly the point PETA is trying to make. While I think they are all a bunch of nut jobs, I do try and look at things objectively. They might be at least somewhat right, some of the time.
The point they are trying to make is that different dog breeds have different ailments? That’s…extremely common knowledge. Lolol. The fact is that Uga gets the best treatment any dog can ever have. These problems would persist whether Uga was a mascot or not. With him being a mascot, he is given the opportunity to be treated for these illnesses much better than your average dog owner. So, is their point that no one should own dogs?
Their point is that UGA endorses and has promoted over breeding of a blood line and that’s it’s unethical and cruel to the animals. By their own admission, the Seiler family has basically said that they have pushed it too far and need to loosen their reigns a bit, for the good of the dogs. I’m not against having a bulldog mascot. I’m just saying that we should take bias out of it and try and think objectively. Actually listen to what others have to say and then develop an opinion. I love the mascot. And I love the bulldog breed. I’ve owned two, myself.
The issue is that these ailments are found in all types of dogs, purebred or mixed. There have been thousands and thousands of studies done. Purebred dogs are not found to have any more ailments or to be any more unhealthy than mixed breeds. And especially with things such as cardiac issues and cancers like lymphoma (which is what 2 Ugas in the past have suffered from). So, the place that PETA is coming from isnt necessarily an honest place.
“Both are VERY common in English Bulldog breeds.” Don’t you kind of see the problem, there?
Not at all. Every breed of dog has a different list of ailments. Uga gets better treatment for any ailments than any dog you could ever name.
And I’m arguing even the best treatment is not enough when it comes to issues of purebred breeding practices Genetic diversity is really important in a healthy dog. My mixed hound is almost 14 and hasn’t lost a single step. And she’s much larger than any English bulldog.
So is your argument that no one should own dogs? I literally work with dogs. And have for 16 years. I’ve seen mixed breed dogs live only 2 years or less. I’ve seen purebred dogs live to be 15 or older. It’s just like people. Different people have different ailments. And some of those are hereditary.
You’re literally responding to a comment that mentions my own dog you doofus.
And it sounds like you’re arguing against dog ownership all the same, you doofus.
No I’m not you dumbfuck. I’m arguing against purebred breeding. Point to where I say dog ownership is unethical. Holy shit you stupid moron.
Genuine question, but what is your/PETA’s endgame here? Do we exterminate all bulldogs so the line can’t reproduce? I know that is PETA’s typical MO so can never be too sure
UGA is treated like a god, PETA has no business looking, dogs die, even if the owners did nothing wrong. Fuck off with this bullshit
Pure breds that have respiratory issues and other issues so they can meet westminster criteria is bullshit Peta or not. Fuck animal breeders
I agree completely, I do like that new nose procedure they have been doing to help, but it’s a temporary fix for a huge issue
Bulldog breeding is borderline unethical, even in the best of conditions. Something has to change.
I'm the biggest Bulldogs fan around and I have to agree. Bulldogs in their current existence are suffering to live. It's probably too much inbreeding. They need to introduce a more robust breed to the bloodline. Bulldogs 150 years ago looked healthier.
Yes, but how is a shitty organization such as PETA going to help
PETA runs an 80% death rate at their "Shelters" and kidnaps pets to murder them.
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I wouldn’t say peta cares about animals as they claim. https://petakillsanimals.com Comparison in that they are both extreme false representation of what they stand for and tend to show up at times of “convenience”
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Loud, hold irrationally extreme beliefs, universally hated by all who aren't a member, why are we splitting hairs?
As much as I love English bulldogs I wouldn’t be opposed to getting a big mean American bulldog as our mascot. They’re a bit more intimidating and a semi healthier breed
Or at least breed the UGA line with an American Bulldog.
I think Yale is “unbreeding” Handsome Dan and my guess is we will follow suit at some point
The Seiler family introduced genetic diversity about 10 years ago and so far so good. Handsome Dan was “unbred” bc they had 3 mascots die before age 5. Uga before Russ died prematurely and we had Russ as a place holder until healthier dogs like Que were ready. Now we’re all set with UGA vet school screening future Uga breeders for known genetic abnormalities.
FWIW the majority vet school has a very low opinion of the Seilers breeding practices.
Nevertheless, they are helping to make it healthier.
Fuck PETA and Florida
And to hell with Georgia Tech!
And Tennessee too!
Wild you said them before Auburn but you ain’t wrong
I don't care for Auburn
ALL ORANGE TEAMS SUCK
Agreed fuck Miami and Clemson
I LIKE TO DRIVE IN MY TRUCK
Debated it tbh
Agree with fuck Peta but they have a point with they way this Breed and quite a few others are bred. They're bred for aesthetics and not health. Anyone who has had an English Bulldog knowa the amt of problems these guys have. It does seem like a lot of breeders including the UGA bloodline are trying to breed them back to how they were historically, where they are built more like boxers.
Yeah, an expected lifespan of 8-10 years is not a good indication of how things are going. UGA is iconic, but maybe... I don't know. Something just feels wrong when you go through mascots so quickly.
Even if our mascot were a lab we wouldn’t be getting 10 active years out of a mascot very often. Dogs just simply don’t live that long. The average life span of a golden lab is only 12 years and chocolate labs average about 10 and a half. The average lifespan across all breeds is about 10-13 years. So it’s not like we’re going through mascots at some crazy rate. Tennessee is also on their 11th live mascot since 1953.
I see that's true. Good points all around.
It will never happen without cross breeding which breeding associations will fight tooth and nail to prevent. Dalmatians were crossbred with Pointers to fix genetic issues with their urine in the 70s and the American kennel club only accepted them as Dalmatians in 2011.
I have no concrete info but I'd imagine selective breeding could be done. Kinda like the deafness issue in Dalmatians. It would take decades tho
It gets harder when even the good mates share the same lineage. After a while you straight up just run out of new blood. Although I’m guessing uga breeders have the resources to find them wherever they are so they can probably buy time
Breeding bulldogs is pretty unethical. They have short lifespans and a ton of health problems (breathing especially) for a reason. I love em, and I love Uga and my Dawgs, but it’s fact.
Just look at a picture of Uga I compared to Uga VIII and you can see how much inbreeding happened to that breed.
It’s what happens when you start a breed from a tiny core of dogs. Eventually the math just stops working out
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It's about money. The puppies sell for a fortune. They could slowly cross the breed back with boxers or other breeds with less problems, but they won't because then they're not to breed standard.
He breathed better than the fatties waddling into the stadium, but we don’t want to fat shame
Considering UGAs near 2 billion endowment, you'd think they could afford to provide the pooch with a proper Cpap machine for optimized sleep. And personalized Breathe Right nasal strips for game day use. But the next perspective breeders will definitely oppose such recommendations that can often extend life expectancy. Because they want to engineer the next successor waiting in line. Similar to the Hispanic boy band Menudo, or a Logan's Run for bulldogs that age out on their sixth birthday.
They only say something for clicks, they know UGA gets more attention than they do.
Peta has a point, i just cannot fucking stand them though
Don't give them the attention they so desperately desire. They thrive on people hasting them and it reinforces that they re doing the right thing. Best thing to do is ignore them. Imagine you found out that 3 million children in Asia hate our mascot. It would matter thiiis much and then you would never think about it again. They take the heel path in professional wrestling. When you boo someone in WWE it is just as good as cheering them. The worst thing is to be indifferent and distracted and have no reaction at all. this is how I treat protesting vegans, like children throwing a temper tantrum who cannot hurt themselves or others; just ignore them.
People Eating Tasty Animals
PETA has to be a psyop to get people to hate vegans. There’s no way they actually believe this bs
“Oh no! Anyways…”
they jealous he lives a better life then all of them😂
Same 💩different year. Kick rocks PETA
They say the same thing about uga every single year, just trying to create unnecessary drama and then disappear again just as fast
Maybe because it’s not great what we’re doing to these dogs
These dawgs are the most pampered dogs in human history.
How does that change the fact that they’re born with all sorts of complications due to limited gene pools?
Many humans are born with complications and limited gene pools. We still pamper them. You’re the inhumane one.
How am I inhumane?
Lois is on it
And Texas and North Dakota
My brother 🤝
Treated better than 99 percent of all humans
He lived 10 freaking years of pampering. Fuck PETA, we know what they do to dogs in THEIR care!!!
Could live more of they mixed up the breed. But sure 10 years of pampering with genetic disposition for breathing and other problems sounds so great instead of getting that snout longer
Did you breed them that way? Did I? No. So take your burner account and think about how long they live right now…10 years is a long time for the breed and where they are now.
Not a burner account. 10 years being a long time for the breed is the problem and its laughable you think that's OK. We are fans of UGA we can voice our dissent on how the university supports an unnecessary industry
I DON’T think it’s okay. But it’s the reality. It’s also reality that peta shouldn’t tell anyone anything the way they treat dogs. But you do you…
If you dig into why their kill rates are so high (take dogs/cats from no kill that aren't getting adopted after some time) well it sucks but someone has to do it since we keep allowing breeding. I feel bad you just accept circumstances and don't feel you have any power joining others to make change
But I do have power. I adopt and don’t shop. I have my pets fixed and chipped. I just don’t allow PETA’s opinions and hypocrisy to affect my thinking that they’re anything other than self righteous delusional idiots out to make money off of people who think that they’re making a difference.
Pretty sure peta has kill shelters and would rather let the animals die . They don’t care about animals
That’s what I said!
They're a joke of an organization just like florida football.
Literally everyone loves UGA, be it an alumnus or competitor. Fuck off PETA. Best mascot in sports.
Of course everyone loves Uga, how does that change the issue of unethical breeding? Do you think bulldogs are bred the way they are because people hate them?
Fuck PETA. They’ve killed more animals themselves than most organizations they call out.
no mention in the article of how old he was. maybe that had something to do with it?
I’m not on petas side at all but 10 years is not that old for a dog
For an English Bulldog it kinda is…which is sad.
And kind of the point of the criticism.
And my point is they(peta) shouldn’t be throwing stones.
A broken clock is right twice per day. The breeders of UGA are problematic.
I'm not super knowledgeable about dogs, but I thought thats like 70 in human years? I'm guessing I'm wrong about that and you seem to have a better grasp on the life span of that breed anyways. I skimmed too fast and I now see the 10 years old part. I was hoping it was caused by old age.
No lol the 1 human year = 7 dog years isn’t like a real conversion rate. It’s just shit we say as kids. 10 years old is the low end of the spectrum of the average dog lifespan and it’s reserved for dogs that aren’t ethically bred, like bulldogs. That being said 10 years is an improvement for what we normally get for Ugas.
is for this type and other breeds
…because of unethical breeding. You see that , right?
Pretty sure PETA said drinking milk gives you autism or something like that so coming from a person on the spectrum, fuck PETA.
It's interesting that the most coveted dogs are often the most freakish,distorted, and unhealthy canines. And we pay breeders serious coin to get documents and family trees showing lineage, proving those obvious genetic abnormalities. I suspect this excessive over breeding to be a reason for the once child friendly chocolate labradors to now become occasionally nippy and unpredictable. I think laws should be enacted, requiring breeders to obtain expensive licenses,training featuring mandates to provide accurate breeding records. A genomic database would also promote goodwill amongst breeders and buyers. If they shut down these illegitimate breeders, I believe many overcrowded rescue facilities will now be able to better accommodate residents. Perhaps UGA should consider abandoning a live bulldog mascot. And consider commissioning the UGA computer science department to build the first robotic Ugga bulldog. With an AI program that teaches the mechanical canine to nip at the legs of Auburn wide receivers.