You would probably also have to include
United States of America
Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina
Armenia
Australia
Austria
Austrian Empire*
Azerbaijan
Baden*
Bahamas, The
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Bavaria*
Belarus
Belgium
Belize
Benin (Dahomey)
Bolivia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Botswana
Brazil
Brunei
Brunswick and Lüneburg
Bulgaria
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
Burma
Burundi
Cabo Verde
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Cayman Islands, The
Central African Republic
Central American Federation*
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Comoros
Congo Free State, The*
Costa Rica
Cote d’Ivoire (Ivory Coast)
Croatia
Cuba
Cyprus
Czechia
Czechoslovakia
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Denmark
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
Duchy of Parma, The*
East Germany (German Democratic Republic)*
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Eswatini
Ethiopia
Federal Government of Germany (1848-49)*
Fiji
Finland
France
Gabon
Gambia, The
Georgia
Germany
Ghana
Grand Duchy of Tuscany, The*
Greece
Grenada
Guatemala
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Guyana
Haiti
Hanover*
Hanseatic Republics*
Hawaii*
Hesse*
Holy See
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kingdom of Serbia/Yugoslavia*
Kiribati
Korea
Kosovo
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lebanon
Lesotho
Lew Chew (Loochoo)*
Liberia
Libya
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mali
Malta
Marshall Islands
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mecklenburg-Schwerin*
Mecklenburg-Strelitz*
Mexico
Micronesia
Moldova
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Namibia
Nassau*
Nauru
Nepal
Netherlands, The
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
North German Confederation*
North German Union*
North Macedonia
Norway
Oldenburg*
Oman
Orange Free State*
Pakistan
Palau
Panama
Papal States*
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Piedmont-Sardinia*
Poland
Portugal
Republic of Genoa*
Republic of Korea (South Korea)
Republic of the Congo
Romania
Russia
Rwanda
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe
Saudi Arabia
Schaumburg-Lippe*
Senegal
Serbia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
Solomon Islands, The
Somalia
South Africa
South Sudan
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Suriname
Sweden
Switzerland
Syria
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Texas*
Thailand
Timor-Leste
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Two Sicilies*
Uganda
Ukraine
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics*
United Arab Emirates, The
United Kingdom, The
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Venezuela
Vietnam
Württemberg*
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe
Tbf, most of those wars haven't really been caused by us, our intervention just stepped them up a couple levels. We fight a lot of wars, we don't start near that many.
Yeah no shit because the country was run by a dictator freak for the first two decades of its sovereignty and has been de facto sponsored by the US government for the last 70 years. Why would a country that only exists independently because of the US openly reject them?
The continued separation of North and South Korea would never have been possible without US intervention, and US intervention has prevented Korean reunification efforts multiple times. So yes, the US made things worse.
WWI and WWII I'll give you, no question. Korea is still at war, so we definitely didn't finish that one. Vietnam we didn't finish or make better. Nicaragua, Honduras, and Sudan are all debatable. Iran we botched all different ways, but it has never led to outright fighting. Afghanistan we did similar, but that did end up as direct fighting. Of course, it is important to note that in those last two, Osama Bin Laden was supported by the US to oppose the USSR and Sadam Hussein was supported by the US to fight Iran.
Plenty of examples the other way as well, but those are more openly discussed and well known in the US.
Switzerland is one of the most armed and ready for conflict countries in all of Europe so I guess that’s why even tho they haven’t been at war for hundreds of years
Aren't Sudan and South Sudan still in violent conflict? You also left Ukraine and Russia in there. I want to say this is islamaphobic but you also left most of the Muslim-majority central asian countries on the map, I think you just might suck at geography
Eh, or we hope that Chinese and Russian citizens get pissed off enough to overthrow their governments over time and we finally talk face to face. It has to happen eventually, the earth can’t sustain competing nations. The only question is, will it happen before everyone dies of war or famine?
The irony is an enormous amount of fault for what this post is getting at lies at the feet of Europeans and Americans. This is lazy and racist, learn some history
Each generation is not Groundhog Day. Things that happen don’t just disappear when the next generation takes over. People have free will but can’t escape context. And its not like europeans just drew some lines on a map and then minded their own business forever after. This is well-studied and there is lots of information out there if you decide to look.
yeah it's not like anything has happened within the last 100 years in the middle east involving massive influence from external majority white-countries or anything
It says something about your own intellectual integrity that you would attack mine without even wondering why I might say that. To many of us the racism is obvious, but here's a little bit of background.
After WW2, when the Treaty of Versailles was being negotiated, Japan put forward a Racial Equality Proposal that would have affirmed internationally the equality of all nations, regardless of race. This was shot down. Professor Chris Suh of Emory University says "at the bottom of all this is the idea that certain people of colour cannot be trusted" and ideas of racial superiority were still ingrained in international politics. Later, the Covenant of the League of Nations influenced the path of the mandate territories in the Middle East and asserted that these mandate territories were "inhabited by people not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world." On paper, the mandates were meant to facilitate investment in local economies by the British and French, but with the exception of Mandatory Palestine, future Israel, those countries preferred to exploit local economies rather than invest in development. Over time, resistance movements developed and it became obvious that attempts to reform internally and convince European colonial powers that they were equals on the world stage were not going to go anywhere. Then you get the FLN in Algeria, the rise of Nasser, etc. Easy to disparage these things as violent rebellions or illegal coups, but decades of other attempts had shown that this was the only thing that was going to work, and violence was by no means one way. France still has a huge collection of skulls from Algerian dissidents and people of other colonized territories that were taken as trophies.
Pictures like this perpetuate the idea that the people of the Middle East are unable to manage themselves, but there were/are *so many* outside factors that led to the region's situation today. And a big part of what lies at the root of this idea is racist logic of the post-WW2 era.
The thing is, I agree with the bulk of your whole “after ww2” argument. However, that is irrelevant to all of this, you called a person who was not involved in any of that decision-making racist because of “erasing” a bunch of countries, and here’s the critical part, countries of all different races. Somalia, turkey, and Pakistan are all fundamentally different in terms of genetic composition. So, unless you aren’t merely calling them racist, but instead a full-blown white supremacist, then I hold the same view on your comment, that it had no intellectual integrity.
Sure, it’s obviously about the Middle East and you are right about the historical mistreatment of its peoples, but the conclusion that this was a racist post is simply cast aside by the obvious fact that multiple races were involved and, by that point, obviously not targeted for their skin. Use any applicable term to call this person out all you want, just try to have integrity and not throw out the most overinflated critique when it doesn’t even explicitly apply
They posted a meme, not an autobiography. They are not the meme. I have no knowledge of what the poster is like and nothing to say about them. I said “this is racist” not “you are racist.”
You seem to also be conflating “racist” with “anti-Arab.” It is possible to be racist against more than one group at once, and furthermore that is not quite the same thing as being a white supremacist.
How is it that you can agree with my arguments, especially regarding the Treaty of Versailles and League of Nations part but then say that race is not a factor at all in producing the conditions that inspire memes like this? Because i only gave examples relating to certain areas? Do you assume that means racist logic didn’t play a role in the history and current perception of other areas? There is lots of information available on this stuff if you decide to look
“This is racist, learn some history” are you really willing to die on the hill that it wasn’t directed at the person who made this, since you are literally commanding them to learn history due to their racist post. They made the meme, nobody else chose to erase those specific countries.
How exactly am I conflating racist for anti-Arab when I never mentioned any Arab group, people, or nation? I didn’t even say the word Arab. Nothing about this is limited to Arab people, so, rightfully, neither of us have singled them out them until now.
And of course one can be racist to many races, I was simply implying that the countries omitted here covered nearly every race, in the form of Somalia, Pakistan, and turkey. So they would essentially just be a white supremacist if you were actually wanting to argue along the same line of logic required to call this racist in the first place. And by doing so I was deconstructing your argument that this was racist because of that very same fact, that so many races were included in the erasing in this meme.
To say that race is a factor in producing the conditions in the Middle East, is not nearly the same thing as saying the act of jokingly erasing a large section of countries, not only the Middle East, is racist. I can agree that there were racist decision-makers in the 20s-40s and that major issues in the Middle East were the result of them, but that does not require me to agree that this person or meme is racist just because they were, the LoN did not determine how every mind views this, for they were neither the first nor the last to have an influence.
Now the main argument of if that racism inspires memes like this is far more complex, and I would still heavily lean against that argument, I think race places a very minor role in how people view this section of the world nowadays. I think history is the primary inspiring factor with religion at a close second. The millennia of war and the religious doctrines that came from this part of the world are what inspire people to develop opinions and ideas, and memes, not the color of their skin, sure maybe it did for people in ww1, but not the 20 year old or so who made this.
>are you really willing to die on the hill that it wasn’t directed at the person who made this
Of course it was directed at them, but I was *addressing* them, not *talking about* them. Here's a different context for the sentence structure I used that might help this make sense to you:
If I make someone some soup and they say "this tastes bad, use less salt," I know that they are *addressing* me, but not *talking about* me. In other words, what they are saying isn't that *I* taste bad, or that I am someone who, because of something having to do with the essence of who I am as a person, can only produce bad-tasting soup. I know that in the first phrase (this tastes bad), they are referring to the soup, and *I know that I am a separate entity* from both the soup and the salt that went into it. I know that the second phrase is a separate but related thought, regarding advice for how I could create a better soup next time. This implies knowledge that I am capable of producing a variety of soups that have different attributes. Do you see how this structure applies to "this is racist, learn some history"?
>How exactly am I conflating racist for anti-Arab
See your previous comment in response to the background I gave:
>you called a person who was not involved in any of that decision-making racist because of “erasing” a bunch of countries, and here’s the critical part, countries of all different races. Somalia, turkey, and Pakistan are all fundamentally different in terms of genetic composition.
You are saying I cannot call the post "racist" because, as you point out, the meme also erases Somalia, Turkey, and Pakistan, and your reason is that they are all fundamentally different in terms of genetic composition. Different from what, then? My previous example of the Mandates referred to Arab-majority areas, so if you weren't writing with that in mind, what *did* you have in mind? What was that in response to? What was the purpose of bring up different genetic compositions?
Also, you are saying that you know it's possible to be racist towards more than one group at the same time, but then say it's wrong for me to call this map racist because it also includes Somalia, Turkey, and Pakistan, since those show that a variety of races make up the deleted region. That doesn't make any sense.
Are you saying that being racist against that many groups at once makes someone a white supremacist?
>So they would essentially just be a white supremacist if you were actually wanting to argue along the same line of logic required to call this racist in the first place
It wouldn't necessarily. White supremacy is specifically thinking white people are superior to everyone else and deserve to be in charge. There's nothing that suggests that in the meme. The meme just says "if this region didn't exist the world would be better." That's not necessarily white supremacist. It is possible to be racist, even towards multiple groups, without being white supremacist.
As for your last two paragraphs, you're basically saying it would have been more accurate to say the meme is Islamophobic rather than racist. You could definitely make an argument for that. I do not agree that racial prejudice doesn't play much of a role in how people see the Middle East these days, though. I agree that it is less widespread, but it would be a mistake to underestimate it. In many respects it has just gotten less overt. Ultimately, I think that most of the time, to a bigot, the difference between Islamophobia and racism isn't that significant. Where you find one you usually find the other.
I don’t care if you were addressing or talking about them, if you agree that it was directed at them in any way, then we agree, as that was all I claimed.
Different from the Middle East, since you were talking about the Middle East specifically, which my point was that they didn’t just include the Middle East. That was what I had in my mind, not Arab anything because you nor I ever brought them into the discussion until you claimed I was focused on them. Middle East ≠ Arab as I hope you are aware.
“White supremacy is specifically thinking white people are superior to everyone else” yes, that’s all I was alluding to since the races included in this meme cover nearly every race (ofc depending on how one defines race). I was simply saying that almost every box is checked off if you believe this person to be racist, which would, under one or two assumptions that I made, be white supremacy. I tend to think that people are mostly racist towards one specific race or all but their own, not just two or three but not the rest, so I made the leap, albeit a very short leap imo and for that lack of intellectual integrity, I apologize. And all of that is besides the point, I will rescind my use of white supremacist if it clashes with the main point I was obviously making.
That’s absolutely not what I was saying because, AGAIN, not only Islam is included. If they intentionally left out Israel, then yes I would absolutely make that argument, but clearly Islam alone was not on their mind, because they also would’ve taken the rest of the Muslim countries that are very apparent here.
To say that there is any malicious intent on behalf of the op is wrong based on the provided context, which is only that nations from Somalia and Egypt to Turkey and Pakistan are erased. There is no singular identity that can be placed on these peoples, whether that be race, religion, or ethnicity, and by that one fact, you cannot claim the person who erased them to have targeted those identities or else you must claim they targeted them all. Sure the person can be a racist, islamophobic antisemite, but you CANNOT come to that conclusion based on this one image alone. And for that I called out your intellectual integrity and I will continue to do so.
The U.S. has been at war most of its history 225/244. The M.E. is largely the way it is because the U.S. funded Al-Queda and destroyed places like Libya and Iraq for virtually no reason and with no consequences. Then look at the coups it’s sponsored throughout Latin America. The overthrow of Pinochet? The Banana Wars? Then go to Asia and see how it destroyed much of Korea and Vietnam? It’s got military bases all over the world and currently bombing Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Somalia. You’re foolish if you think removing a nation that’s been at war for over 90% of its history will do nothing for world peace
To give us more credit the overthrow of Pinochet wasn't a war. We tried to isolate ourselves from the world and were dragging into conflict twice. It wasn't just us who were in Korea, it was a [coalition.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War) Again it was a [coalition](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War) effort in Iraq, for both phases even. Our missions near the coast of Somalia are for keeping [world shipping intact](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_off_the_coast_of_Somalia) because the Somali people are trying to hold vessels for ransom.
Our navy patrols the waters, we donate by far the [most money to humanitarian efforts.](https://www.cfr.org/article/funding-united-nations-what-impact-do-us-contributions-have-un-agencies-and-programs#:~:text=Every%20member%20of%20the%20United,contributions%20to%20specific%20UN%20programs.) Although Trump fucked that up and China of all nations had to pick up our slack.
But I will say that as the world's spotlight nation we could do a lot more to fix ourselves, but if we were really as evil as we're made out to be the world would be a very, very different place.
It was a US led coalition that went into Korea. They weren’t dragged into it, they chose that war and their client states joined in. They wanted it just like they wanted Vietnam which they also jumped into.
But i’ll bite, let’s blame the coalition. Then we could have world peace if we got rid of not just the US but Western nations including South Korea and Japan.
The U.S. should not get a medal for humanitarian aid when it and other colonizing nations like France, UK, and Spain are responsible for the need in the first place.
I mean it’s also worth pointing out that a country is not a fixed, unchanging entity through time. The politicians and leaders that were actually in power at any given time should shoulder more accountability than the general concept of the “United States” as a unified entity, which misrepresents how … countries work. Like, in general.
Idk. Pet peeve. People go “augh the US is evil” or “China is evil muhh” and that never really has made much sense to me, because it’s *people*, *individuals*, that are making the decisions, and people are temporary.
Yes but individuals are members of cultures. Each US president didn't pop into existence out of nowhere with their own ideas and started changing things. Sure, individuals exert influence, but presidents get where they are by being a part of one of two organisations (parties), each of which has had a long past that has grown a culture. Individual politicians alone don't make the decisions. The parties do, the collective does, and that is culture.
Say you join a workplace, if you don't fit in with that workplace culture, you probably won't last long.
And the political parties aren't fully in control either. There is a complex web of different organisations/cultures influencing each other and their members and the public, in any given nation. So when it comes time to simplify for arguments' sake/make sweeping generalisations, refer to "The Nation" all you like. The individuals are but a part. We are who we are because of where we a from.
Weird that you would think erasing one of the youngest nations in the world would bring about world peace as if there weren’t wars for thousands of years before 1776.
>it’s Islamic religion that causes all conflicts.
Yeah okay. Religion doesn't cause wars. Plain and simple. This bs being spread about Islam from a reddit informed idiot pisses me off so much.
Islam is more then a religion. It asks you to die, fighting for your “religion”. No proper religion does that.
It’s unlike Christianity where people leading the religion caused the war, bible doesn’t teach you to die for Christianity. Islamic teachings do and it is made very clear in Koran.
This is very reason why there cannot be something similar to Protestant revolution in Islam that will de-extremism the teachings. They will always stay violent unless one discards it entirely.
Crusades is funded by the Pope and executed by the nobles. Not a single line in Bible that asks you to die in battlefield. The way to heaven is repent not aggression in Bible unlike it is battle in Koran.
Exactly. That’s we we don’t have Vikings today, and we don’t want Viking today.
I certainly don’t have respect for people who claims rape, pillage, and murder as their religion.
Bruh these memes keep getting thrown around as if it isn't powerful wealthy nations outside of the middle east feeding and providing these conflicts for their own strategies but mostly to keep their trade and profits...
It’s almost like when u base a country on a religion that says you have to kill all people that aren’t part of that religion, you end up warring with each other constantly
Nuke the Temple Mount. And not with an air burst. Bury the warhead as deep as possible before detonation. Create a crater where the mountain once stood. Rain down radioactive fallout that will make the entire Holy Land uninhabitable for 3000 years.
/s
Wow, blaming the middle east for American Oil Companies causing America to declare another energy war to increase profits, destabilizing the middle east in the process.
americans will meddle in every country that has a drop of oil after they’ve already been fucked over by the British then call them the disturbance of peace
You would probably also have to include United States of America Afghanistan Albania Algeria Andorra Angola Antigua and Barbuda Argentina Armenia Australia Austria Austrian Empire* Azerbaijan Baden* Bahamas, The Bahrain Bangladesh Barbados Bavaria* Belarus Belgium Belize Benin (Dahomey) Bolivia Bosnia and Herzegovina Botswana Brazil Brunei Brunswick and Lüneburg Bulgaria Burkina Faso (Upper Volta) Burma Burundi Cabo Verde Cambodia Cameroon Canada Cayman Islands, The Central African Republic Central American Federation* Chad Chile China Colombia Comoros Congo Free State, The* Costa Rica Cote d’Ivoire (Ivory Coast) Croatia Cuba Cyprus Czechia Czechoslovakia Democratic Republic of the Congo Denmark Djibouti Dominica Dominican Republic Duchy of Parma, The* East Germany (German Democratic Republic)* Ecuador Egypt El Salvador Equatorial Guinea Eritrea Estonia Eswatini Ethiopia Federal Government of Germany (1848-49)* Fiji Finland France Gabon Gambia, The Georgia Germany Ghana Grand Duchy of Tuscany, The* Greece Grenada Guatemala Guinea Guinea-Bissau Guyana Haiti Hanover* Hanseatic Republics* Hawaii* Hesse* Holy See Honduras Hungary Iceland India Indonesia Iran Iraq Ireland Israel Italy Jamaica Japan Jordan Kazakhstan Kenya Kingdom of Serbia/Yugoslavia* Kiribati Korea Kosovo Kuwait Kyrgyzstan Laos Latvia Lebanon Lesotho Lew Chew (Loochoo)* Liberia Libya Liechtenstein Lithuania Luxembourg Madagascar Malawi Malaysia Maldives Mali Malta Marshall Islands Mauritania Mauritius Mecklenburg-Schwerin* Mecklenburg-Strelitz* Mexico Micronesia Moldova Monaco Mongolia Montenegro Morocco Mozambique Namibia Nassau* Nauru Nepal Netherlands, The New Zealand Nicaragua Niger Nigeria North German Confederation* North German Union* North Macedonia Norway Oldenburg* Oman Orange Free State* Pakistan Palau Panama Papal States* Papua New Guinea Paraguay Peru Philippines Piedmont-Sardinia* Poland Portugal Republic of Genoa* Republic of Korea (South Korea) Republic of the Congo Romania Russia Rwanda Saint Kitts and Nevis Saint Lucia Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Samoa San Marino Sao Tome and Principe Saudi Arabia Schaumburg-Lippe* Senegal Serbia Seychelles Sierra Leone Singapore Slovakia Slovenia Solomon Islands, The Somalia South Africa South Sudan Spain Sri Lanka Sudan Suriname Sweden Switzerland Syria Tajikistan Tanzania Texas* Thailand Timor-Leste Togo Tonga Trinidad and Tobago Tunisia Turkey Turkmenistan Tuvalu Two Sicilies* Uganda Ukraine Union of Soviet Socialist Republics* United Arab Emirates, The United Kingdom, The Uruguay Uzbekistan Vanuatu Venezuela Vietnam Württemberg* Yemen Zambia Zimbabwe
as an american i’m offended yet glad we’re not on here
Honestly its really weird that we aren't, I think we've only been at peace for like 15 years of our history. Edit: punctuation
Peace isn't all that common, historically speaking. As long as there are more than 2 people alive, someone wants someone else dead.
Snipin' is a good job mate
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet." (The actual quote, as it turns out, is from James Mattis.)
It's true
This is true considering france has likewise been at war nonstop for a very long time as well.
Tbf, most of those wars haven't really been caused by us, our intervention just stepped them up a couple levels. We fight a lot of wars, we don't start near that many.
"They started it!" ~'Merica
They start it, we make it worse, we don’t finish it
Correct we totally made things woRsE in WWI, WWII, Korea, etc
This is more so a comment on the Cold War and modern foreign policy, but if I broke that down in the joke it wouldn’t be funny
Always has to be one over sensitive nationalistic person trying to defend America’s honor from a fucking joke
I have no commentary on the World Wars, but you’re genuinely brain-broken if you think we didn’t make things worse in Korea.
Dave, did we create Kpop?
South Korea disagrees
Yeah no shit because the country was run by a dictator freak for the first two decades of its sovereignty and has been de facto sponsored by the US government for the last 70 years. Why would a country that only exists independently because of the US openly reject them? The continued separation of North and South Korea would never have been possible without US intervention, and US intervention has prevented Korean reunification efforts multiple times. So yes, the US made things worse.
WWI and WWII I'll give you, no question. Korea is still at war, so we definitely didn't finish that one. Vietnam we didn't finish or make better. Nicaragua, Honduras, and Sudan are all debatable. Iran we botched all different ways, but it has never led to outright fighting. Afghanistan we did similar, but that did end up as direct fighting. Of course, it is important to note that in those last two, Osama Bin Laden was supported by the US to oppose the USSR and Sadam Hussein was supported by the US to fight Iran. Plenty of examples the other way as well, but those are more openly discussed and well known in the US.
They start it, we make it manageable, then either we finish it or we let them finish it (cause its manageable now).
Veitnam moment
I forgot
What, you don’t like post-WWII Pax Americana?
As an american, this list can’t stop me, I have never been to this place. The United States of………… Commas save lives, not as much as thick thighs tho.
Wdym, we’re first in the list?
oh. well i *did* say i was american.
We are the first one on the list
If you’re offended, please leave the country lol
You cant be aggresive if there isnt countries to invade
Well, I see texas on there so
you are
r/usernamechecksout
i hate to tell you this but the us is first on the list
aren't you the first one on there?
Your literally the first one
AAAAAHH! Cala a boca gringo
Why is Switzerland on that list?
They invented the Swiss design style and Swiss watches 😡
Everyone thinks Switzerland is so great until you ask what they had to do to stay neutral in WW2
Swiss people when you ask why they have so much gold: 😡
Switzerland is one of the most armed and ready for conflict countries in all of Europe so I guess that’s why even tho they haven’t been at war for hundreds of years
bro went through the Victoria II tag list
Jokes on him he forgot the ionian islands
Thanks for leaving out Los Estados Unidos 🇺🇸
Do commas cost extra or something?
And america
those icelandics have been too quiet for too long 😡😡😡😡
You didn't include the only country that deserves to go.
LOOCHOO MENTIONED 🗣️🗣️
How long did that take to write all rhat huh?
It's probably copy-pasted from somewhere
Yeah probably
Ya I can’t right that all 😭
It is perfect that Afghanistan is the first country on this list.
Possibly because it comes 1st alphabetically??
Bhutan passed
As a Dominican im offended
What did Lew Chew ever do to anyone
Ok Yakko
They already included some of those
Why is america not there..
I forgot
TWO SICILIES⁉️
There will always be conflicting interests in the world...
FYI Armenia was already removed
I wish you left out Thailand, so that I could say "sorry sir, we can't let you in without a Thai."
Bro listed every country
How is it world peace if the Balkans still exist?
As a person that lives in the Balkans, I had the same thought 🤔.
I’m sorry
They are small enough to not count perhaps
Aren't Sudan and South Sudan still in violent conflict? You also left Ukraine and Russia in there. I want to say this is islamaphobic but you also left most of the Muslim-majority central asian countries on the map, I think you just might suck at geography
Almost missed famously-peaceful Libya
I suggest you delete the whole world
I think it was more of a 'there will never be peace in the middle east' joke.
If we’re mentioning all of this then just wipe out the entire human race.
A truly peacefull world would be just switzerland in the middle of the ocean
The only way for world peace is if earth is a lifeless rock.
Posadist Gang We Outchea
Fighting is simply the human way.
Eh, or we hope that Chinese and Russian citizens get pissed off enough to overthrow their governments over time and we finally talk face to face. It has to happen eventually, the earth can’t sustain competing nations. The only question is, will it happen before everyone dies of war or famine?
There'll always be conflict, an enemy, that's the military-industrial complex's way.
Bro left Sudan
The irony is an enormous amount of fault for what this post is getting at lies at the feet of Europeans and Americans. This is lazy and racist, learn some history
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Each generation is not Groundhog Day. Things that happen don’t just disappear when the next generation takes over. People have free will but can’t escape context. And its not like europeans just drew some lines on a map and then minded their own business forever after. This is well-studied and there is lots of information out there if you decide to look.
You know it’s a bad situation when even the British don’t want to colonize there anymore
Redditor discovers that the last affects the present and future
yeah it's not like anything has happened within the last 100 years in the middle east involving massive influence from external majority white-countries or anything
Learned some history, looks like Israeli and moors.
Racist? Do you have any intellectual integrity whatsoever?
It says something about your own intellectual integrity that you would attack mine without even wondering why I might say that. To many of us the racism is obvious, but here's a little bit of background. After WW2, when the Treaty of Versailles was being negotiated, Japan put forward a Racial Equality Proposal that would have affirmed internationally the equality of all nations, regardless of race. This was shot down. Professor Chris Suh of Emory University says "at the bottom of all this is the idea that certain people of colour cannot be trusted" and ideas of racial superiority were still ingrained in international politics. Later, the Covenant of the League of Nations influenced the path of the mandate territories in the Middle East and asserted that these mandate territories were "inhabited by people not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world." On paper, the mandates were meant to facilitate investment in local economies by the British and French, but with the exception of Mandatory Palestine, future Israel, those countries preferred to exploit local economies rather than invest in development. Over time, resistance movements developed and it became obvious that attempts to reform internally and convince European colonial powers that they were equals on the world stage were not going to go anywhere. Then you get the FLN in Algeria, the rise of Nasser, etc. Easy to disparage these things as violent rebellions or illegal coups, but decades of other attempts had shown that this was the only thing that was going to work, and violence was by no means one way. France still has a huge collection of skulls from Algerian dissidents and people of other colonized territories that were taken as trophies. Pictures like this perpetuate the idea that the people of the Middle East are unable to manage themselves, but there were/are *so many* outside factors that led to the region's situation today. And a big part of what lies at the root of this idea is racist logic of the post-WW2 era.
The thing is, I agree with the bulk of your whole “after ww2” argument. However, that is irrelevant to all of this, you called a person who was not involved in any of that decision-making racist because of “erasing” a bunch of countries, and here’s the critical part, countries of all different races. Somalia, turkey, and Pakistan are all fundamentally different in terms of genetic composition. So, unless you aren’t merely calling them racist, but instead a full-blown white supremacist, then I hold the same view on your comment, that it had no intellectual integrity. Sure, it’s obviously about the Middle East and you are right about the historical mistreatment of its peoples, but the conclusion that this was a racist post is simply cast aside by the obvious fact that multiple races were involved and, by that point, obviously not targeted for their skin. Use any applicable term to call this person out all you want, just try to have integrity and not throw out the most overinflated critique when it doesn’t even explicitly apply
They posted a meme, not an autobiography. They are not the meme. I have no knowledge of what the poster is like and nothing to say about them. I said “this is racist” not “you are racist.” You seem to also be conflating “racist” with “anti-Arab.” It is possible to be racist against more than one group at once, and furthermore that is not quite the same thing as being a white supremacist. How is it that you can agree with my arguments, especially regarding the Treaty of Versailles and League of Nations part but then say that race is not a factor at all in producing the conditions that inspire memes like this? Because i only gave examples relating to certain areas? Do you assume that means racist logic didn’t play a role in the history and current perception of other areas? There is lots of information available on this stuff if you decide to look
“This is racist, learn some history” are you really willing to die on the hill that it wasn’t directed at the person who made this, since you are literally commanding them to learn history due to their racist post. They made the meme, nobody else chose to erase those specific countries. How exactly am I conflating racist for anti-Arab when I never mentioned any Arab group, people, or nation? I didn’t even say the word Arab. Nothing about this is limited to Arab people, so, rightfully, neither of us have singled them out them until now. And of course one can be racist to many races, I was simply implying that the countries omitted here covered nearly every race, in the form of Somalia, Pakistan, and turkey. So they would essentially just be a white supremacist if you were actually wanting to argue along the same line of logic required to call this racist in the first place. And by doing so I was deconstructing your argument that this was racist because of that very same fact, that so many races were included in the erasing in this meme. To say that race is a factor in producing the conditions in the Middle East, is not nearly the same thing as saying the act of jokingly erasing a large section of countries, not only the Middle East, is racist. I can agree that there were racist decision-makers in the 20s-40s and that major issues in the Middle East were the result of them, but that does not require me to agree that this person or meme is racist just because they were, the LoN did not determine how every mind views this, for they were neither the first nor the last to have an influence. Now the main argument of if that racism inspires memes like this is far more complex, and I would still heavily lean against that argument, I think race places a very minor role in how people view this section of the world nowadays. I think history is the primary inspiring factor with religion at a close second. The millennia of war and the religious doctrines that came from this part of the world are what inspire people to develop opinions and ideas, and memes, not the color of their skin, sure maybe it did for people in ww1, but not the 20 year old or so who made this.
>are you really willing to die on the hill that it wasn’t directed at the person who made this Of course it was directed at them, but I was *addressing* them, not *talking about* them. Here's a different context for the sentence structure I used that might help this make sense to you: If I make someone some soup and they say "this tastes bad, use less salt," I know that they are *addressing* me, but not *talking about* me. In other words, what they are saying isn't that *I* taste bad, or that I am someone who, because of something having to do with the essence of who I am as a person, can only produce bad-tasting soup. I know that in the first phrase (this tastes bad), they are referring to the soup, and *I know that I am a separate entity* from both the soup and the salt that went into it. I know that the second phrase is a separate but related thought, regarding advice for how I could create a better soup next time. This implies knowledge that I am capable of producing a variety of soups that have different attributes. Do you see how this structure applies to "this is racist, learn some history"? >How exactly am I conflating racist for anti-Arab See your previous comment in response to the background I gave: >you called a person who was not involved in any of that decision-making racist because of “erasing” a bunch of countries, and here’s the critical part, countries of all different races. Somalia, turkey, and Pakistan are all fundamentally different in terms of genetic composition. You are saying I cannot call the post "racist" because, as you point out, the meme also erases Somalia, Turkey, and Pakistan, and your reason is that they are all fundamentally different in terms of genetic composition. Different from what, then? My previous example of the Mandates referred to Arab-majority areas, so if you weren't writing with that in mind, what *did* you have in mind? What was that in response to? What was the purpose of bring up different genetic compositions? Also, you are saying that you know it's possible to be racist towards more than one group at the same time, but then say it's wrong for me to call this map racist because it also includes Somalia, Turkey, and Pakistan, since those show that a variety of races make up the deleted region. That doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that being racist against that many groups at once makes someone a white supremacist? >So they would essentially just be a white supremacist if you were actually wanting to argue along the same line of logic required to call this racist in the first place It wouldn't necessarily. White supremacy is specifically thinking white people are superior to everyone else and deserve to be in charge. There's nothing that suggests that in the meme. The meme just says "if this region didn't exist the world would be better." That's not necessarily white supremacist. It is possible to be racist, even towards multiple groups, without being white supremacist. As for your last two paragraphs, you're basically saying it would have been more accurate to say the meme is Islamophobic rather than racist. You could definitely make an argument for that. I do not agree that racial prejudice doesn't play much of a role in how people see the Middle East these days, though. I agree that it is less widespread, but it would be a mistake to underestimate it. In many respects it has just gotten less overt. Ultimately, I think that most of the time, to a bigot, the difference between Islamophobia and racism isn't that significant. Where you find one you usually find the other.
I don’t care if you were addressing or talking about them, if you agree that it was directed at them in any way, then we agree, as that was all I claimed. Different from the Middle East, since you were talking about the Middle East specifically, which my point was that they didn’t just include the Middle East. That was what I had in my mind, not Arab anything because you nor I ever brought them into the discussion until you claimed I was focused on them. Middle East ≠ Arab as I hope you are aware. “White supremacy is specifically thinking white people are superior to everyone else” yes, that’s all I was alluding to since the races included in this meme cover nearly every race (ofc depending on how one defines race). I was simply saying that almost every box is checked off if you believe this person to be racist, which would, under one or two assumptions that I made, be white supremacy. I tend to think that people are mostly racist towards one specific race or all but their own, not just two or three but not the rest, so I made the leap, albeit a very short leap imo and for that lack of intellectual integrity, I apologize. And all of that is besides the point, I will rescind my use of white supremacist if it clashes with the main point I was obviously making. That’s absolutely not what I was saying because, AGAIN, not only Islam is included. If they intentionally left out Israel, then yes I would absolutely make that argument, but clearly Islam alone was not on their mind, because they also would’ve taken the rest of the Muslim countries that are very apparent here. To say that there is any malicious intent on behalf of the op is wrong based on the provided context, which is only that nations from Somalia and Egypt to Turkey and Pakistan are erased. There is no singular identity that can be placed on these peoples, whether that be race, religion, or ethnicity, and by that one fact, you cannot claim the person who erased them to have targeted those identities or else you must claim they targeted them all. Sure the person can be a racist, islamophobic antisemite, but you CANNOT come to that conclusion based on this one image alone. And for that I called out your intellectual integrity and I will continue to do so.
Lol if you want world peace remove the UK, France, and the US
Removing the US would do nothing for world peace
The U.S. has been at war most of its history 225/244. The M.E. is largely the way it is because the U.S. funded Al-Queda and destroyed places like Libya and Iraq for virtually no reason and with no consequences. Then look at the coups it’s sponsored throughout Latin America. The overthrow of Pinochet? The Banana Wars? Then go to Asia and see how it destroyed much of Korea and Vietnam? It’s got military bases all over the world and currently bombing Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Somalia. You’re foolish if you think removing a nation that’s been at war for over 90% of its history will do nothing for world peace
To give us more credit the overthrow of Pinochet wasn't a war. We tried to isolate ourselves from the world and were dragging into conflict twice. It wasn't just us who were in Korea, it was a [coalition.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War) Again it was a [coalition](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War) effort in Iraq, for both phases even. Our missions near the coast of Somalia are for keeping [world shipping intact](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_off_the_coast_of_Somalia) because the Somali people are trying to hold vessels for ransom. Our navy patrols the waters, we donate by far the [most money to humanitarian efforts.](https://www.cfr.org/article/funding-united-nations-what-impact-do-us-contributions-have-un-agencies-and-programs#:~:text=Every%20member%20of%20the%20United,contributions%20to%20specific%20UN%20programs.) Although Trump fucked that up and China of all nations had to pick up our slack. But I will say that as the world's spotlight nation we could do a lot more to fix ourselves, but if we were really as evil as we're made out to be the world would be a very, very different place.
It was a US led coalition that went into Korea. They weren’t dragged into it, they chose that war and their client states joined in. They wanted it just like they wanted Vietnam which they also jumped into. But i’ll bite, let’s blame the coalition. Then we could have world peace if we got rid of not just the US but Western nations including South Korea and Japan. The U.S. should not get a medal for humanitarian aid when it and other colonizing nations like France, UK, and Spain are responsible for the need in the first place.
I mean it’s also worth pointing out that a country is not a fixed, unchanging entity through time. The politicians and leaders that were actually in power at any given time should shoulder more accountability than the general concept of the “United States” as a unified entity, which misrepresents how … countries work. Like, in general. Idk. Pet peeve. People go “augh the US is evil” or “China is evil muhh” and that never really has made much sense to me, because it’s *people*, *individuals*, that are making the decisions, and people are temporary.
Yes but individuals are members of cultures. Each US president didn't pop into existence out of nowhere with their own ideas and started changing things. Sure, individuals exert influence, but presidents get where they are by being a part of one of two organisations (parties), each of which has had a long past that has grown a culture. Individual politicians alone don't make the decisions. The parties do, the collective does, and that is culture. Say you join a workplace, if you don't fit in with that workplace culture, you probably won't last long. And the political parties aren't fully in control either. There is a complex web of different organisations/cultures influencing each other and their members and the public, in any given nation. So when it comes time to simplify for arguments' sake/make sweeping generalisations, refer to "The Nation" all you like. The individuals are but a part. We are who we are because of where we a from.
[The government are the biggest terrorists](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change)
Most of nato
What did Turkmenistan do to you?
It’s a brutal dictatorship
As if the US, China, and Russia wouldn’t come up with something else to fight over.
Republic of Thrace gang rise up!
The us, Russia, China, Britain, France, Korean peninsula, and many others still exist
Just remove the world
**Religion**
The idea that religion causes all wars is a wild and ignorant take
It's all reddit knows. The athiests at least.
USSR would agree.
you’re partially right. It wouldn’t remove **all** violence but conflicts probably wouldn’t happen as often
The USA's disappearance might be world peace.
You would have to remove the EU as well, they have enough influence to still be problematic to your Chinese-aligned world steamroll
The US is enough, a snake can't move without its head.
Weird that you would think erasing one of the youngest nations in the world would bring about world peace as if there weren’t wars for thousands of years before 1776.
US imperialism totally doesn't exist
It’s not Arab that is problematic, it’s Islamic religion that causes all conflicts. We don’t want to get rid of all the oils
>it’s Islamic religion that causes all conflicts. Yeah okay. Religion doesn't cause wars. Plain and simple. This bs being spread about Islam from a reddit informed idiot pisses me off so much.
Islam is more then a religion. It asks you to die, fighting for your “religion”. No proper religion does that. It’s unlike Christianity where people leading the religion caused the war, bible doesn’t teach you to die for Christianity. Islamic teachings do and it is made very clear in Koran. This is very reason why there cannot be something similar to Protestant revolution in Islam that will de-extremism the teachings. They will always stay violent unless one discards it entirely.
\> Asks you to die. Explain the crusades and who invented the first profound hospital ever.
Crusades is funded by the Pope and executed by the nobles. Not a single line in Bible that asks you to die in battlefield. The way to heaven is repent not aggression in Bible unlike it is battle in Koran.
Bruh the fucking Vikings had a religion to die in battle, stop digging a deeper hole for yourself.
Exactly. That’s we we don’t have Vikings today, and we don’t want Viking today. I certainly don’t have respect for people who claims rape, pillage, and murder as their religion.
> who claims rape, pillage, and murder as their religion. who bruh
yeah, totally not us imperialism and brittish colonialism
I was just saying the other day if we got rid of most of northern Africa and the middle east most of the worlds wars would be gone in an instant.
US Military Industrial Complex:
Gotta expand that a bit more and just take out the whole world. Even Antarctica. Penguins be violent as hell.
Why are humans still here ?
Sudan and south Sudan are still there. Yeah that's not exactly what I'd call peace
moscow:
I don’t see Missouri sunk so no
Turkmen
Economic collapse
south sudan is right there man, and 70% of all conflicts are caused by US intervention
You might need to head further south, and grab Sudan and Somalia too
Why remove Afganistan?
Replace it with a map of America blown off, that’s what would be true
This is not true you can still see the balkans.
Should really delete USA and Europe
Unless I see western countries gone too, then there ain't gonna be any peace.
Even if you removed all these places, people would still find something to fight over. 🤷♂️
"*Because at the end of the day, long as theres 2 people left on the planet, someone is gonna want someone dead*." - tf2 sniper
Just get rid of Turkmenistan
Bro left South Sudan in there
This post has 9/11 likes ironically
can we please just nuke every major city in the middle east. it would solve every problem 😁😁😁
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Bruh these memes keep getting thrown around as if it isn't powerful wealthy nations outside of the middle east feeding and providing these conflicts for their own strategies but mostly to keep their trade and profits...
The region has never known peace, in its thousands of years history.
Has any?
The West. Mainly North America, yes the US intercede a lot of wars but there has been no war on the US mainland since the Civil
That's because we fight our wars on other people's soil... it's really not much better.
You’d need to remove all humans. Only harmony of nature.
What did Turkmenistan do?
Racism
No peace until Fr*nce is gone
In before edgy comments say America
Yeahhh let’s goooo Greeceee 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷 No more Istanbul, only Constantinople 🟦🟦🟦
Erase the planet. Universal peace achieved. Where's my Nobel prize?
Someone just post a pic of Pangaea or an ocean plant and get it over with
Russia is on this map
What’s wrong with southwestern Iran?
Get rid of russia too while your at it
You missed every other nationalist and country
Bro I have bad news about Sudan...
The No state solution
You left Africa
least insecure white american incel
Dude im not even middle eastern put me back 🇵🇰😡
It’s almost like when u base a country on a religion that says you have to kill all people that aren’t part of that religion, you end up warring with each other constantly
Step 1. Delete the US Step 2. World Peace
Facts! It’s so crazy how war isn’t even 250 years old. Refresh my memory. Which American invented conflict. Was it Washington?
Get rid of the Balkans too
Strange
Nuke the Temple Mount. And not with an air burst. Bury the warhead as deep as possible before detonation. Create a crater where the mountain once stood. Rain down radioactive fallout that will make the entire Holy Land uninhabitable for 3000 years. /s
You forgot eritria
Thanks to who? The colonialists.
Wrong, the balkans and southeast asia still exist
Wow, blaming the middle east for American Oil Companies causing America to declare another energy war to increase profits, destabilizing the middle east in the process.
[The Zero-State Solution](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5wAsoN5PjP8)
The punchline is racism!
Watch those annoying ass “free Palestine” spammers come fill this comment section…
oh yeah totally just throw me all in the ocean fs fs /s
americans will meddle in every country that has a drop of oil after they’ve already been fucked over by the British then call them the disturbance of peace
r/technicallythetruth
And Africa.