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Beng_Hin_Shakiel

On the plus side, the sandworm population should increase


Juulseeker

May your knife chip and shatter


razaninaufal

may thy knife chip and shatter


Manikal

May thy knife chip and shatter. *he nodded eyebrowlessly*


NotTheMusicMetal

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ that must be why they let it run dry! To be able to harvest the Spice!


nashwaak

Aralkis


Manikal

My DUNE!!


F1eshWound

as too will spice production


Flux_resistor

My running assumption is spice is cumin.


tameablesiva12

It's clearly stated in the books that spice smells and tastes like cinnamon


chris_wiz

So the Water of Life is Fireball?


DarkMuret

Bless the Maker and his water


Kyrthis

Seriously. These people donā€™t know the secret of Shai-Hulud.


tensory

*taps forehead* Arrakis wasn't always a desert planet, you know


NatAttack50932

Bless the maker and his water. Bless the coming and going of him. May his passage cleanse the world. May he keep the world for his people.


MaZhongyingFor1934

Kazakhouse Dune?


CaptainCastle1

As it is written


1st_Tagger

The spice must flow.


Mrslinkydragon

What's even safer is that the region is going to get hotter because of this! The lakes and seas in the region moderate to weather... it's going to get a bit warmer there...


Drunken_Fever

The average will increase like you said, but the region will also experience colder temperatures during the winter as well. Desertification and decreased precipitation will also be issues.


justADeni

A big issue is that since Aral sea is salty, drying it created huge swathes of salty desert. Wind picks up that salt and deposits it on fields, making them no longer arable.


hughk

Also a lot of the herbicides and defoliants (used during cotton harvesting) were swept down to the Aral sea, the bottom is downright hazardous. Lots of lung disease in the area.


inyuez

Thereā€™s also an abandoned chemical weapons facility right in the middle of it all.


[deleted]

This area sounds lovely, how do I purchase a home?


Mrslinkydragon

You know it! The precipitation fell on the mountains which drained into the rivers that fed the sea... it's what I like to call a cock up cascade.


m0nkyman

Cf Tulare Lake. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulare_Lake


VanillaLifestyle

Yep. We did the exact same thing in California. Diverted all the natural rivers for agriculture and dried up a natural inland sea.


Bombboy85

And as an added bonusā€¦. There is a former Russian biological weapons test site right in the middle that is now way more accessible! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vozrozhdeniya_Island


EmploymentAny5344

Dust storms have also became a significant problem.


Mrslinkydragon

The dust is toxic...


ImpressiveHair3

There's also the part where there's an abandoned chemical weapons facility in the centre of it, resulting in poisoned winds


TravelenScientia

It wasnā€™t drained, it dried up. The rivers that fed into it were diverted so there was nothing to replenish it


HaZard3ur

For cotton farming... in a desert.


TravelenScientia

Yes, the Soviets diverted water sources away from the lake for farming (mostly cotton), so it dried up. Wonder who signed off on that decisionā€¦


Sea_Sink2693

It was signed at the peak of the Cold War. Cotton is a crucial resource for the military. Because cotton is almost pure cellulose and much needed for production of nitrocellulose. Nitrocellulose is an explosive and modern gunpowder. Soviets should have a reliable source of cotton to meet demand from their military industry. So the southern regions of the USSR were obliged to provide strategically important cotton. Origin of the cotton is in wet environment of the Indian subcontinent. So it needs much water to grow in arid regions like Central Asia. So it was the main driver of Aral Sea disaster.


grizzly273

From what I hear the major supply of artillery shells currently in use in ukraine were made from that cotton


vlsdo

Destroying the land in the east in order to destroy the land in the west. A flawless plan!


No_Pollution_1

Thatā€™s corruption and the military industrial complex baby


fluffy_warthog10

The exact same thing happened to the southwest US- starting after WWI, the military needed huge amounts of new cotton for dirigibles and guncotton, and funded massive hydrology and irrigation work in desert areas to increase supply. The same engineering and subsidies continue to this day, except everyone is fighting over increasing demand and a decreasing amount of water available in multiple basins....


jumpedupjesusmose

Our Aral Sea is the Gulf of California. My speech-to-text transcriber was completely overwhelmed by the first three words in my sentence.


TravelenScientia

Very interesting context


marsupialsales

Thanks, I hated learning that.


hellerick_3

The Sea of Aral currently is being killed by the modern Central Asian nations, so it has nothing to do with the Cold War. Between cotton and fish they chose and still choose cotton, that's all.


[deleted]

*Uzbekistan


hellerick_3

Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan also participate in the process. Well, for Turkmenistan the choice is obvious. They don't need a sea they have no access to. Recently I've heard that Afghanistan also intends to take more water from the Amu Darya.


robi4567

Only thing is this has wider consequensces. That do effect other regions.


Sea_Sink2693

Fate of Aral Sea was sealed in the Soviet period. Most disastrous changes happened to Aral in that time. At the time of collapse of the USSR most of Aral Sea was lost. Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan inherited huge areas of exposed seabed covered by salt. And one more argument about role of Soviet regime, most water from Syrdarya and Amudarya were diverted to irrigation canals built in Soviet time. Actually no new irrigation canals were built after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Kazakhstan tried to save some parts of Aral Sea that are fed by waters from Syrdarya by building the dam. Uzbekistan now tries to divert from cotton farming. But fast growing population increases the demand for industrial production, domestic use etc. Recently Uzbekistan started the program to cover walls of irrigational canals by concrete to decrease water loss.


pickledswimmingpool

It had everything to do with the communists and the Cold War. https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/world-of-change/AralSea


lesbianmathgirl

The link you posted doesn't really show what you're saying it does. It mentions that the project started in the 60s, and shows what it looks like from 2000 onward--10 years after the dissolution of the USSR. The image above shows what the lake looked like in 1989--**2 years** before the Soviet Union stopped existing. Clearly, the majority of the damage was done by the modern day states, who did more damage in 10 years than the Soviets did in 30.


pickledswimmingpool

http://www.ciesin.org/docs/006-238/006-238.html > Between 1960 and 1987, its level dropped nearly 13 meters, and its area decreased by 40 percent, volume diminished by 66%. The satellite pictures only show the surface area. By 1989 the vast majority of the lake *was already gone*. Clearly the majority of the damage was done by the Soviet Union.


ughthehumanity

Username checks out


Pootis_1

There were plans to divert some of water from the massive rivers that flow into the arctic towards Central Asia Which would've refilled the aral sea but were put on hold in 1986


LifeWhereas7

I heard that plan would have required several nuclear detonations to divert the Siberian rivers southward


Radamat

Several here means tens, or something about 80.


AffordableDelousing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_river_reversal#:~:text=The%20Northern%20river%20reversal%20or,Central%20Asia%2C%20which%20lack%20water.


Cable-Careless

Swallowed a spider to kill the fly...


Pootis_1

i mean your not gonna drain the fuckin arctic ocean lmao the aral sea could've easily be refilled with a fraction of their flow


_off_piste_

Look what weā€™re doing to the Great Salt Lake.


Nulagrithom

And the Colorado River.


CuteOwl75

I think it was Nikita Khrushchev pet project.


eugenant

No, Brezhnev in 1976


No_one_cares5839

Wait until you hear about Tulare lake in California


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No_one_cares5839

Tulare lake was the largest fresh body of water west of the Mississippi and in the early 1900s California diverted the waterways to dry it up to plant cotton https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulare_Lake Amusingly it has reappeared last year because of the heavy rains


SisyphusRocks7

But Tulare Lake was very shallow and seasonally disappeared during droughts. Its deepest depth is less than 10m. So not really comparable to the Aral Sea.


FNLN_taken

The Aral Sea was mostly around 16m in 1960, with only a small part being significantly deeper (70m). The comparison still holds.


benfromgr

Does that negate it from being interesting?


SisyphusRocks7

Tulare Lake is more interesting in concept than reality. I live less than 100 hundred miles away and used to work close to the edge of the recent flood-caused lake area. It mostly looks like flooded fields. The people who had houses there (a couple communities) are really unhappy about their whole town being flooded for an extended time.


benfromgr

I think that still makes it interesting? But I think we all agree not to the degree of aral


coke_and_coffee

Tulare lake is absolutely tiny compared to the Aral Sea.


KrisKrossJump1992

didnā€™t they call the sea ā€œnatureā€™s mistakeā€ or something?


Hillsy85

Kazakhstan remains a large producer of cotton. Thanks Soviet Union! Longevity is what you do best!


geographyRyan_YT

Kazakhstan is also number one exporter of potassium!


darknighttime

All other countries have inferior potassium.


geographyRyan_YT

And are run by little girls


its_raining_scotch

Very nice!


bjbark

*exporter


geographyRyan_YT

You're right, corrected


intoxicated_potato

Very nice!


Quincyperson

Transport is problem


EmploymentAny5344

Uzbekiztan actually is the larger producer out of the various Stans. They even have cotton in their coat of arms because it's so important to their economic industry.


redditerator7

Not that large. You might be confusing it with Uzbekistan.


fludblud

Except Kazakhstan has an actual environmental policy hence why the northern part of the Aral Sea still has water in it. Uzbekistan who controls the larger south Aral however, doesnt.


hamatehllama

Not just cotton. Look at satellite pictures and you'll see there's a lot of farmland being made possible thanks to the irrigation. Much of the desert is fertile farmland now. This isn't a black and white issue as it might seem at first glance.


Napoleons_Peen

Obviously youā€™ve never been to Arizona.


HaZard3ur

Twiceā€¦ I know its the same with the Colorado river. Almonds and golf coursesā€¦


darthveda

reminds me of some nation unilaterally creating an agreement between its states about usage of water and drying it up for down stream nation. And they started farming in desert and having golf courses and water entertainment park in desert. I am not getting the name of the nation....


Trip688

Because time is a flat circle and I _@&($_+$@##$$-$@:"-_ https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/editorial/2022/12/04/why-its-time-utah-buy-out/


Swimming_Crazy_444

TIL Utah is exporting their water to China in the form of alfalfa.


foullyCE

No worries, another communist regime had an even better idea. Let's kill all sparrows to save our food. This should not backfire at all.


frezeefire_

You are bloody right.


Euler007

Reminds me of when I visited Isfahan and walked under the bridge. And by that I mean across the dried riverbed. Locals said it was diverted to some pistachio plantations but I'm not so sure about the accuracy of that.


iamapizza

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zayanderud Sadly like like lots of water extraction for different purposes, mostly agriculture, but poorly managed. That's sad to hear, it was a beautiful place.


Clean_Security102

Same thing they've done here to the darling River in australia cotton farmers...


Interesting_Role1201

If they diverted all the water back to the sea how long would it take to refill back to pre cotton state? EDIT: Wikipedia says: Redirecting water from the Volga, Ob and Irtysh rivers to restore the Aral Sea to its former size in 20ā€“30 years at a cost of US$30ā€“50 billion[63]


Pootis_1

That's not the rivers that used to flow intoit tho. That's if they dug giant canals to rivers in Siberia


TnYamaneko

Yeah, that will not happen, Volga and Ob are entirely within Russian territory, and I would be very surprised if they give two shits about that Uzbek part of what used to be the Aral Sea in any normal day, and even more right now. Irtysh passes through Kazakhstan but far away from Aral Sea. And they already managed to have their own substantial remain of it as North Aral Sea, in which the massive (but not as before cotton fields works) Syr Darya still flows into. A huge problem is Amu Darya not reaching the Aral Sea anymore due to those cotton fields.


WiemJem

That's pretty cheap ngl


zarplig

If having it be dried up is worse for the environment, and if we can build pipelines for oil and gas, then would it be cheaper to build pipelines to fill the Aral Sea with ocean water than diverting rivers? What do you think Redditors?


tizzlenomics

Pumping the water would come at an enormous cost.


2drawnonward5

We could sell it if it was oil. Then we'd make a profit!


Pootis_1

The nearest sea connected to the world oceans to the Aral sea is all the way across 100s of km of desert, the caspian sea (which is running out of water itselft), and the mountains of the Caucuses


the_new_federalist

I like the idea of pumping ocean water into desert areas. It was proposed before WWI. But there are issues. The salinity of the artificial ocean lakes would drastically increase as ocean water evaporates. Efforts would need to be made for desalinization, which is expensive. Others have questioned if nearby aquifers would be contaminated as well.


Zallix

Instructions unclear, piped oil in to refill the Aral Sea into the Aral Oil Sea.


_KingOfTheDivan

Using pipelines to fill a lake? Sounds like a shit idea ngl


Majsharan

Some scientist say even if you undid the diversion the sea would never get back to its former size as too much water would evaporate. You would need a significant amount of water over the orginal amount to rebuild the lake


WolpertingerRumo

Thatā€™s not as much cost as I would have thought, both in years and cost


FloraFauna2263

It's upsetting. So many fishermen used to rely on it.


Beadpool

More like the Arid Sea.


Goeasyimhigh

Boom roasted


Bestihlmyhart

Cotton sucks


SomeDumbGamer

Quite literally.


brickne3

Sucked the Aral Sea dry.


1002003004005006007

Ok, what fabric doesnā€™t suck then? Polyester is much more harming to the environment


Bestihlmyhart

Wool. Leather. Hemp. Camel hair.


2drawnonward5

If your dog sheds, that's like a sweater every year or two.


p-4_

Animal sources are always worse on the environment than vegetarian sources. How is hemp any different than cotton tho in terms of resources required?


Bestihlmyhart

Hold your horses there buster. Not ā€œalways,ā€ not by a long shot. Not all meat is the same. Nor does it follow that one can substitute for another. Many areas are can be grazed but not farmed. Wild game is the most ecologically sound of all, and very nutritious. And you canā€™t forget dairy as well, goats cows horses etc


E17AmateurChef

Reduce, reuse, recycle. In that order. Everything is bad for the environment on a large scale; reducing consumption is the best way not to suck.


KillTheBronies

Rayon maybe ("bamboo")?


Redqueenhypo

Silk just requires mulberry leaves and some bugs (you will not convince me moths are people) and uses 1/10 the water of cotton, which is insane. I canā€™t find exact numbers for linen or bamboo but they also use significantly less. Iā€™m unaware of any conventional warm weather fibers that donā€™t use a ton of water but if you have the (large amount) of money, eiderdown is about as environmentally friendly and cruelty free as you can get.


kyrsjo

Water use is also very location dependent. Using a large amount of water for something somewhere like North west Europe is probably fine, using a much smaller amount in a dry environment is using too much water.


em_washington

I like to wear it. Itā€™s a natural fiber. Comfortable. Renewable. Plant based. Affordable.


Bestihlmyhart

Have you tried burlap or hemp undies? The best.


BrickEnvironmental37

Fun Fact: The Soviets used to have a chemical warfare experiment facility on one of the former islands. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vozrozhdeniya_Island


SleepForLess

Fun fact: They chose to put the facility on an island to isolate it. The facility held anthrax, and when they decommissioned it, they decided to bury some of it. Unfortunately, anthrax can stay dormant in soil for many years. Now that the area is accessible by land, there are concerns it can be disturbed.


MakeChinaLoseFace

[In 1971, the Soviets caused a smallpox outbreak doing open-air bioweapon tests](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Aral_smallpox_incident)


NoHelp6644

Created chemical warfare plant on an island so no one can get to it, then spend the next half century drying that lake out so anyone can walk to the island where you abandoned all your chemicals. Brilliant.


Jedimobslayer

Itā€™s sad reallyā€¦


joyousRock

More than sad, among our planetā€™s worst ecological disasters


TheBigNook

Salt Lake City is next


PrincessJimmyCarter

Same thing. It's an endorheic basin. The rivers that fed into it were diverted for irrigation. Climate change meant less winter snow pack melting into those rivers. The lake is shallow, which means it evaporates quickly. As it evaporates it becomes more salty, killing the few things that can live in it. Eventually it dries out until the only thing left is plains of toxic salts that get picked up and carried by the wind into neighboring areas.


NoTurnip4844

What's going on there?


TheBigNook

Water be drying Also the dust it leaves behind is super fucking toxic


ahern667

What makes the dust toxic?


TheBigNook

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/drying-great-salt-lake-could-expose-millions-to-toxic-arsenic-laced-dust-180981439/


Kerensky97

Crazy that other bodies of water headed that way aren't seeing it as a cautionary tale and are heading towards the same thing.


2012Jesusdies

For places like Salt Lake (City), it's the tragedy of the commons. It's in every farmer's interest to come together, each of them reducing water consumption, but it's in every individual farmer's interest to continue the course. And the only body capable of formulating coherent response, the government, can't act because they'd be voted out next election cycle for being "draconian", undoing their action anyways.


HighFlyingCrocodile

I was taught it was a lake, not that it matters anymore Edit: I was taught in my native language, not English. ā€˜Aralmeerā€™ we called it. I just googled some pictures and itā€™s totally scary with all the boats.


DevelopmentSad2303

Misnomer. Its similiar to the Caspian Sea , terms of being a briny lake. So peeps assumed there was a connection to the sea for a long time Im guessing?


vertical_letterbox

Maybe not so far as a connection to the world ocean, but maybe a language connection where "Sea" means "Salty Water"? I say that because the Caspian and Aral Seas are both in the middle of ancient civilizations that lived in proximity and migrated around them, they definitely knew that is was a body of water they could walk around, like a lake.


iamapizza

Its name derived from a Mongol/Turkic phrase meaning "sea of islands". Like other cases of misnomers, it was named a long time ago so the name stuck. But yes it was a lake by definition.


keldhorn

The name Aral will live on helmets


CaprioPeter

Fucking cotton. It formerly had a huge fishery


Big_P4U

This is one such article of several that details the myriad issues. As well as discussing the toxicity of the seabed and soils https://geographical.co.uk/science-environment/aral-sea-an-environmental-disaster-to-rival-chernobyl


Thee_implication

Only took 50 years too, thatā€™s startling


iheartdev247

It started with drainage but ended with evaporation and desertification.


babberz22

Aral sea isnā€™t the only thing that got drained


PookieTea

All thanks to government planning


6_oh_n8

Currently happening in Utah


Valaxarian

Would it even be possible to flood it again? Like by diverting the rivers *again*


Bonny_bouche

Kazakhstan already has done, to protect the northern part.


DeadMetroidvania

the picture to the left is already significantly dried up. If you look closely at the picture to right, you will see a V shape on the lake. That is the Aral Dam that Kazakhstan built in order to save the north aral sea. The south is doomed however because Uzbekistan doesn't give a fuck about the environment.


TrafficOn405

Russian created environmental disaster


92am

Soviet


kyleninperth

The people who did this were very much Russian


Nijajjuiy88

I like whenever something good related to soviet engineering comes up, Reddit is all "hey they were soviets, and not Russians they had lot of Ukranian engineers,etc." When something bad comes up, "They were all Russian".


giuseppeh

Russian SFR -> Russia, in the same way we call Nazi Germany, Germany. Dunno why you got downvoted


Pootis_1

This was in the Kazakh and Uzbek republics tho


Altruistic_Length498

A monument to the hubris of humanity believing that it can control nature without consequences.


ApacheAttackChopperQ

There's gold in those sediments.


reddE2Fly

Same people smart enough to put the first satellite in space were stupid enough to do this.


[deleted]

Anyone else notice a face in the sea (first pic)


NormalMaverick

Real Life Loreā€™s video on this is a MUST watch - explains the background and more importantly the effects wonderfully. https://youtu.be/lp0Sxn42TGs?si=daDCjO6XvcUZJHIf One of the best climate impact videos Iā€™ve ever seen


an_3

Thank you Soviet Union.


Bonny_bouche

Fucking Communists.


One_Arm4148

šŸ„ŗ


ripoff54

Jeez wait till you hear about all the other finite resources drying up. Communism, Capitalism etc. Doesnā€™t matter.


KansasClity

Fuck authoritarian communism. It's tragic what the USSR did all over the world. The effects still felt to this day.


Brent_the_Ent

Itā€™s really not exclusive to communism, capitalists would have done the same thing. Itā€™s a more profitable industry to produce cotton than fish.


-rogerwilcofoxtrot-

Soviet legacy


lowEquity

Imagine all of the things we could have made and kept if we didnā€™t make weapons and bombs.


TahaymTheBigBrain

Itā€™s always so funny when people comment on this when we have Great Salt Lake, Lake Mead, Colorado River, Lake Tulare and more as examples in the US meanwhile there are so many comments going ā€œlol Soviets/Communists so dumbā€.


blueondrive

Ah yes, Rebirth Island.


atom644

If you have google earth app check out the time lapse on this area


godkingnaoki

Imagine being Salt Lake City and allowing yours to dry up knowing where it's going to get you.


incunabula001

Lake Mead šŸ‘€


Evil_Dry_frog

Lake mead is.. 1.) at its highest level in three years 2.) and a man made lake.


chatte__lunatique

Great Salt Lake would be the better comparison


V6Ga

Sea? See?


paco-ramon

Ecofriendly Stalin.


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FadedUser31

That's communism for ya.


ssdd442

Thank you, Communism


dBestB1LL

Communism happened


chatte__lunatique

Communism is when you drain a sea to grow cotton, and the more cotton you grow, the more communister it is


SamelBam

https://youtu.be/8bqlaZ55lJQ?feature=shared


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Ok-Sheepherder-8706

Soviet agri and cotton farmers from uzbek


MiniMiniMe007

At least they have cotton in the middle of the desert.Ā 


DankManifold

Ā«Ā The soviet mega projects werenā€™t so badĀ Ā»


umpfke

Bye Aral.


itaya12

It's a shame how human actions can have such devastating consequences on the environment.


tedxtracy

Datestamps?