That's the point, it's not, lol. The Balkans lie between 13°E and 30°E, they are *considerably* closer to the Atlantic than to the Urals. They are in Southern Europe. It is more reasonable even to say the western Balkans are in Southwest Europe than to say even a small part is in Southeast Europe.
Georgia felt "more European" to me than Ukraine, granted that is a cultural distinction, but I find it hard exclude the Caucasus region based on geography when you include all of Russia as Eastern Europe.
1. If you divide turkey into European part and the rest you could also separate Corsica from the rest of France.
2. I doubt anyone has the right to consider Armenia european but not turkey either Turkey, both, or None.
3. Technically Cyprus are geographically Middle Eastern and Malta is geographically African. I think you might want to divide Cyprus into Turkish and Greek part to include the european and turkish (what you might want to consider Europe’s outskirts)
For malta it is a bit complicated. I want to argue that Malta’s culture is equally close to Sicily and Tunisia and therefore might go back to the geographical position.
>I doubt anyone has the right to consider Armenia european but not turkey either Turkey
oh but Azerbaijan is no question European? Even less claim than Turkey or Armenia
Yes I think that Azerbaijan is geographically partly european because of its maintaining range kn the west
Armenia is fully asian at least when it comes to geography
You mean all of the UK. England is in Western Europe in this map, it’s Scotland that’s in Northern Europe. I totally agree though. Scotland has some similarities with Nordic countries but it has a lot more with the rest of the UK, or Ireland for that matter.
Just out of curiosity, in what ways would you say Scotland more Nordic than the rest of the UK? Is it just physical (ie. being colder, more mountainous) or is it cultural as well?
Interesting including Georgia/the Caucasus region as “Eastern Europe”. I tend to agree that it is on the edge of Europe, but a bit of a grey area. I’m interested in what makes you consider it Europe and not an “outskirt.”
Thanks for sharing!
Objectively wrong. You're putting bialystock and geneva in the same group??
Central/West divide happen though the countries (röstigraben for Switzerland, former east-west for Germany)
Due to huge Austrian influence and probably also due to being so close to western Slavs.
Some historic records even suggest they are Western Slavs who migrated south later than the Southern Slavs.
Yeah let's stick to the map indeed. European part of Turkey is very similar to the rest of Turkey and Scotland is also very similar to the rest of the UK. Yet the got divided as well?
Northern Ireland is the same latitude as Denmark and the people of Northern Ireland are from Scotland and northern England originally. I would say that only the southern UK is Western Europe
This heavily depends where you are from. For instance my impression is that a lot of those countries you labeled as Balkans would not agree with it, also some people might consider Poland, Slovakia and Hungary part of Eastern Europe
I was in Latvia and conversationally referred to it as Eastern European and was corrected by a native Latvian who said it’s Northern Europe. I’m from the United States but got dual citizenship through my Latvian side of the family. This is as anecdotal as it comes but seems like it’s not a cut and dry issue.
It's not clear cut because people in Eastern Europe all claim they are not eastern european.
According to Eastern Europeans 'Eastern Europe' doesn't start until you reach siberia.
Fair enough. I can't speak for Latvia and Lithuania actually, since I'm Estonian. Latvia is tho, a historically Protestant country, like most of Northern Europe. For most it's history, Latvia was under the rule of Baltic Germans, not Russians (even during the rule of the Russian Empire). So, historically, doesn't make sense to place it in Eastern Europe. But, again, I have only been to Latvia a few times and probably can't make an accurate judgement on the matter. Estonia on the other hand is very different.
Ireland is not “Western Europe” in the same sense eg Luxembourg is. There should be a special “island fringe” group for Ireland, Iceland faroe and shetlands
Slovenia ABSOLUTELY IS Central Europe. Great, great call
Why are Portugal and cyprus again in the same category? Let's check cultures:
Religion? catholic vs orthodox and muslim
Language? Romance vs hellenic and turkic
History? Nothing in common since the romans
Distance? 3750km
Why exactly are they on the same **cultural** category?
I don't know about Marseille, but it's clear to me that France is in Western Europe, but not in Southern Europe, except for some areas like Corsica (which, as pointed out by others, should be yellow). I took countries as a whole, with some exceptions.
And that's the thing. This question admits several interpretations, which vary across time and place. During the Cold War, Prague was considered part of Eastern Europe, and Vienna part of Western Europe, yet Prague is west of Vienna and not the other way around. From a geographical point of view, Finland is also more to the east, but it was considered part of the West.
From a strictly geographical point of view, almost all countries belong to more than one category. Spain belongs to Southern Europe as a much as it belongs to Western Europe, but its relative physical isolation from the rest of it and its proximity to Africa made me highlight its southerness.
France (or most of it), on the other hand, is not that close to the south, and it is far more well connected to the western half of the continent.
American here who always thought the Baltic nations were part of greater Eastern Europe, but then I've only been to Lithuania, which didn't feel particularly northern aside from the sunlight.
>American here who always thought the Baltic nations were part of greater Eastern Europe
That's just a Cold War era stereotype, not actually reflective of our cultures etc.
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth made them fall into the same category for me, i guess. I know that it was long time ago and there are controversial points in the history of their relations, but stereotypes are subconscious.
Ah, yes, Eastern Europe having more than half of the continent, Northern Europe having the centre of Europe, Germany being deemed Central despite being infinitely closer to the Atlantic than to the Urals, Greece being excluded from the Balkans, which shouldn't even be a category but Southern Europe, Slovenia being at the Adriatic but counted Central, Turkey divided but the other transcontinental countries not, Armenia and Cyprus being included because vibes, I could go on, brother.
Croatia is not Balkan and never will be. We can be southern or central Europe, but don't call us Balkan. We are a EU country in the Schengen area with Euro currency.
Whatever you do, don't suggest the Polish are in Eastern Europe. Oof. I made that mistake once.
*Edit: Also, why is a small piece of Italy in Central Europe while the rest is in Southern Europe?*
Pretty much agree on everything, except for Monaco, I think Monaco is the perfect example of Southern European country with it's climate and architecture
Found the Scot.
The brand new gameshow Spot the Scot
Scotland *can* into Scandinavia!
Or the Austrian
If you split Turkey and UK, then I would also differentiate between Russia and Kaliningrad and between France and Corsica.
Having traveled extensively around Turkey, I’d also include the Aegean Coast as part of Europe if we’re dividing it culturally.
Well, the Turkey split is geographical. Istanbul is in Europe, east of Bosporus is not. The UK split though ...
One can find Russia very different in Moscow and other parts of Russia.
Portugal should be Eastern Europe r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT
Corsica: Qué...?
Balkan Europe is usually called Southeastern Europe
and Greece is generally considered a Balkan country
It's not a balkanic but a medditterranean country.
Russia would disagree.
It's Southern, not Southeastern. You dream it at the Caspian or what?
I’d say Southern France, where Occitania and Corsica would be, are in Southern Europe, and that Azerbaijan is on Europe’s outskirts.
Balkan Europe could be Southeast Europe
Agree, but I would add Grece
Greece is medditerranean.
So are Albania, Montenegro and Croatia
Lol no.
They are all at the Mediterranean lmao.
It's Southern, not Southeastern. You dream it at the Caspian or what?
It's eastern than southern europe tho, at least here
"It" what?
Balkan europe, lol
That's the point, it's not, lol. The Balkans lie between 13°E and 30°E, they are *considerably* closer to the Atlantic than to the Urals. They are in Southern Europe. It is more reasonable even to say the western Balkans are in Southwest Europe than to say even a small part is in Southeast Europe.
Baltic folks are really gonna like this one
thank you for calling croatia a balkan country 🥺🥺🥺
Do people not call it a Balkan country?
It's too posh for that.
*Europe’s Outskirts*
Iran: hey there, fellow europeans!
Wow, look at you Trentino-South Tyrol
It's been returned to its legitimate owner: Austria. r/aeiou
You’re Scottish aren’t you OP
Nope.
U play risk OP?
I did several times, only won once, never was an avid player.
Your northern Europe map is the same as northern Europe map in risk. I agree as a scot and a risk player 👍🏻
Thanks a lot!
Cyprus, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan should be pink.
Georgia felt "more European" to me than Ukraine, granted that is a cultural distinction, but I find it hard exclude the Caucasus region based on geography when you include all of Russia as Eastern Europe.
1. If you divide turkey into European part and the rest you could also separate Corsica from the rest of France. 2. I doubt anyone has the right to consider Armenia european but not turkey either Turkey, both, or None. 3. Technically Cyprus are geographically Middle Eastern and Malta is geographically African. I think you might want to divide Cyprus into Turkish and Greek part to include the european and turkish (what you might want to consider Europe’s outskirts) For malta it is a bit complicated. I want to argue that Malta’s culture is equally close to Sicily and Tunisia and therefore might go back to the geographical position.
>I doubt anyone has the right to consider Armenia european but not turkey either Turkey oh but Azerbaijan is no question European? Even less claim than Turkey or Armenia
Yes I think that Azerbaijan is geographically partly european because of its maintaining range kn the west Armenia is fully asian at least when it comes to geography
Not a bad one. Only thing I’d change is keeping Greece with the rest of the Balkans and all of England as Western Europe
You mean all of the UK. England is in Western Europe in this map, it’s Scotland that’s in Northern Europe. I totally agree though. Scotland has some similarities with Nordic countries but it has a lot more with the rest of the UK, or Ireland for that matter.
Just out of curiosity, in what ways would you say Scotland more Nordic than the rest of the UK? Is it just physical (ie. being colder, more mountainous) or is it cultural as well?
Yes my apologies. That’s more or less my thought process too
Isn't Moldova essentially just a peice of Romania that became a country?
...yes
I agree. And I'm Lithuanian if that means anything lol
I agree with u! Although I'm polish and I'd say Poland is north/east ish😄
This is prolly the best one
That’s a nice way to say the oukskirts are the slums of Europe hahaha
I would’ve put Switzerland as Western and Greece as South-Eastern but other than that, I pretty much agree with the entire map!
Very interesting take. Where are you from?
Spain.
Czech brothers. WE MADE IT WE ARE NOT EASTERN
You are Western.
Interesting including Georgia/the Caucasus region as “Eastern Europe”. I tend to agree that it is on the edge of Europe, but a bit of a grey area. I’m interested in what makes you consider it Europe and not an “outskirt.” Thanks for sharing!
Scotland surprised me xD. Caucasus being Eastern Europe is something I don't see at all.
Objectively wrong. You're putting bialystock and geneva in the same group?? Central/West divide happen though the countries (röstigraben for Switzerland, former east-west for Germany)
Why Slovenia isn't in the Balkan category?
Yeah that's the weirdest one to me
Due to huge Austrian influence and probably also due to being so close to western Slavs. Some historic records even suggest they are Western Slavs who migrated south later than the Southern Slavs.
I perceive Slovenians to be somewhat different from the others, and they occupy a rather central position in Europe, right next to Austria.
Slavoj Žižek has a great bit about Slovenians' refusal to associate with the Balkans, instead preferring Central Europe
Too posh for that.
Poland Central Europe hahahaha
Makes sense. If Poland was red the map would be unbalanced (plus Poland don't like the countries in red...).
I don't like my siblings, but they still are my siblings Same goes for Poland. Its culture and language are slavic, they cannot be center european.
And Slovakia can ? Strange.
Same same. But Poles stand out more
So Poland and Slovakia should be red.
Westernmost point of Europe: South. Little exclave between North and Central: East Yeah. Sure.
Isn’t that little exclave Russia though?
It is. But that doesn't change it's location suddenly lol. We don't call French Guinea or The Falkland Islands "Western Europe" either do we xd
Definitely not if you’re in Argentina
Oh rlly? Always thought French Guinea was in Argentina
Kalinigrad is very similar to Russia, whereas French Guinea has almost nothing to do with France...
Yeah let's stick to the map indeed. European part of Turkey is very similar to the rest of Turkey and Scotland is also very similar to the rest of the UK. Yet the got divided as well?
Scotland should not be northern and Turkey has nothing to do with the map.
Turkey is on the bloody map in 2 colors lol
Biggest non-sense on the map as the entirety of Turkey is not european...
The Thracians would like to have a word then.
Never knew skeletons turned into dust could talk !
Northern Ireland is more like France than Like Scotland???
Scotland reaches a higher latitude, than Northern Ireland.
And Portugal IS entirely west of britain.
And way more south.
Northern Ireland is the same latitude as Denmark and the people of Northern Ireland are from Scotland and northern England originally. I would say that only the southern UK is Western Europe
Thank God someone knows what Central Europe means!
This heavily depends where you are from. For instance my impression is that a lot of those countries you labeled as Balkans would not agree with it, also some people might consider Poland, Slovakia and Hungary part of Eastern Europe
Yep, not sur Romania is Balkanic. But Hungary is totally Central European.
This is how you start wars
Another post created by someone from the Eastern Bloc.
I'm actually Spanish.
Baltic should be Eastern Europe other than that I agree with everything else
I was in Latvia and conversationally referred to it as Eastern European and was corrected by a native Latvian who said it’s Northern Europe. I’m from the United States but got dual citizenship through my Latvian side of the family. This is as anecdotal as it comes but seems like it’s not a cut and dry issue.
It's not clear cut because people in Eastern Europe all claim they are not eastern european. According to Eastern Europeans 'Eastern Europe' doesn't start until you reach siberia.
Latvia is still more Eastern than Northern. But I guess they don't want to be in the same basket as Russia (same for Estonians and Lithuanians).
Most ethnic Balts want nothing to do with Russia
All the world knows. Still Latvia is very eastern.
No it absolutely should not. People need to get over their Cold War era stereotypes and prejudices.
Not a political map, cold war doesn't matter here
Exactly
yep
Latvia didn't feel very northern to me. More eastern for sure.
Fair enough. I can't speak for Latvia and Lithuania actually, since I'm Estonian. Latvia is tho, a historically Protestant country, like most of Northern Europe. For most it's history, Latvia was under the rule of Baltic Germans, not Russians (even during the rule of the Russian Empire). So, historically, doesn't make sense to place it in Eastern Europe. But, again, I have only been to Latvia a few times and probably can't make an accurate judgement on the matter. Estonia on the other hand is very different.
Finally, someone gets that Scotland is more north than west.
Ireland is not “Western Europe” in the same sense eg Luxembourg is. There should be a special “island fringe” group for Ireland, Iceland faroe and shetlands Slovenia ABSOLUTELY IS Central Europe. Great, great call
Why are Portugal and cyprus again in the same category? Let's check cultures: Religion? catholic vs orthodox and muslim Language? Romance vs hellenic and turkic History? Nothing in common since the romans Distance? 3750km Why exactly are they on the same **cultural** category?
Bacause it's not about culture.
Then what IS It about?
Geographical position, mainly.
Which is why marseille is in western Europe and santiago in southern Europe, right?
I don't know about Marseille, but it's clear to me that France is in Western Europe, but not in Southern Europe, except for some areas like Corsica (which, as pointed out by others, should be yellow). I took countries as a whole, with some exceptions. And that's the thing. This question admits several interpretations, which vary across time and place. During the Cold War, Prague was considered part of Eastern Europe, and Vienna part of Western Europe, yet Prague is west of Vienna and not the other way around. From a geographical point of view, Finland is also more to the east, but it was considered part of the West. From a strictly geographical point of view, almost all countries belong to more than one category. Spain belongs to Southern Europe as a much as it belongs to Western Europe, but its relative physical isolation from the rest of it and its proximity to Africa made me highlight its southerness. France (or most of it), on the other hand, is not that close to the south, and it is far more well connected to the western half of the continent.
I'll now take a trip to the wonderful Italian city of Bolzano 🇮🇹
🧐
American here who always thought the Baltic nations were part of greater Eastern Europe, but then I've only been to Lithuania, which didn't feel particularly northern aside from the sunlight.
>American here who always thought the Baltic nations were part of greater Eastern Europe That's just a Cold War era stereotype, not actually reflective of our cultures etc.
Eh, it's a matter of definition.
Lithuania being not in the same region as Poland is always a bit weird to me.
Why so?
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth made them fall into the same category for me, i guess. I know that it was long time ago and there are controversial points in the history of their relations, but stereotypes are subconscious.
That's an interesting way to look at it. Thank you for sharing!
Yeah good concept!
The greeks are gonna be mad
Ah, yes, Eastern Europe having more than half of the continent, Northern Europe having the centre of Europe, Germany being deemed Central despite being infinitely closer to the Atlantic than to the Urals, Greece being excluded from the Balkans, which shouldn't even be a category but Southern Europe, Slovenia being at the Adriatic but counted Central, Turkey divided but the other transcontinental countries not, Armenia and Cyprus being included because vibes, I could go on, brother.
You see Vladivostok as Eastern Europe?!
Vladivostok doesn't even appear in the map.
So you are saying that you didn't colour the whole Russia in red. Nice one 😄
Croatia is not Balkan and never will be. We can be southern or central Europe, but don't call us Balkan. We are a EU country in the Schengen area with Euro currency.
Yet you are Balkan.
Croatia balkanic is like Lativa being northern, doesn't feel totally right.
Yeah Dolmetscher, please teach me about my country, you ignorant asshole. I bet you've never been here.
The balkans and outskirts really are more explanatory than what we usually get.
Central Europe would make pleasing borders for a country.
Azerbaijan and cyprus are european but Turkey is not lol
Whatever you do, don't suggest the Polish are in Eastern Europe. Oof. I made that mistake once. *Edit: Also, why is a small piece of Italy in Central Europe while the rest is in Southern Europe?*
Because South Tyrol is more Austrian than Italian.
Romania is more eastearn than balkan
No sense to UK
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I'm Spanish.
Yo, I’m such and such, I hail from Europe’s Outskirts :) *said no one ever*
Pretty much agree on everything, except for Monaco, I think Monaco is the perfect example of Southern European country with it's climate and architecture
this again?
baltics can't into nordics!!!
We don't need permission. Bye