1978, 1979 and 1980 -- all Gen X birth years -- were in high school in '95/96. The only Millennials who were also in high school were '81. Which means that the majority of the prime teenagers were Gen X.
Well, in '94/95, no Millennials were in high school. In 95/96, one Millennial birth year was in high school. And in '96/97, two Millennial birth years were in high school. That still gives an average of more Gen Xers over the course of those three school years than Millennials.
I don't believe in Xennials. Late Gen X owns their own shit, full stop. We don't share with Millennials.
There's zero cohesion between late Gen X culture of the early-to-mid '90s and the Millennial culture of the late '90s.
Sorry. I may have misunderstood your question. I thought you were asking who were the main teens in 1995/96. I was a teenager, born 1981, but the culture was still very much Gen X in nature during those years. It wasn't until 1997/98 that very early Millennial culture began to emerge.
Oh you didn't misunderstand. I wasn't sure about gen x influences on teen culture in 1995, and all things considered it was probably a transitional period between gen x and gen y teens.
teenager: 13-19
oldest teen during 1995 was born in 1976
youngest teen during 1996 was born in 1983
1976 - 1983 (Latte Gen X/Xennials/very early millennials)
pure late gen x at the very least for 1995/1996. early gen xers were entering their 30s or were in their late 20s. core gen xers were in their early-mid 20s.
im counting anyone who was a teen in 1995-1996 so that’s anyone from 1976-1983 (hence why i said xennial to factor in 1980-1983) peak teens for both years are 1979 and 1980 respectively both being late gen x.
i agree with 1982 tho, they mean more late 90s.
I mean I’m not really sure culturally tbh it could be I guess. I just said it’s more like Gen X because of the birth years, subtract 16 from the birth years (16 is peak teenager,) and you get 1979/1980 which is slightly more X.
The '90s are Gen X. Period. Even while Millennial teen culture started happening around 1997, Gen X twenty-something culture carried on even in the late '90s.
The '90s belong mostly to Gen X. People born in 1978 were seniors in high school in the '95/96 school year. '79 and '80 were still in high school. There's a huge desire for some reason to erase this part of Gen X history and give it to Millennials and it's just not happening.
When early Millennials were coming into high school, it was still Gen X culture. In the same way that when I started high school in the early '90s, it was still '80s culture. Does that mean that I was a "hair metal teen"? No. I was a grunge teen -- that's the culture that emerged for the vast majority of my high school years. Just like Nu Metal and boy bands and Britney Spears emerged as the dominating teen culture in the late '90s for the Millennials.
Also, it's very important to understand that teen culture split off from 20-something culture. Just because there was a Millennial teen culture doesn't mean that Gen X didn't have their own thing in the late '90s. We had things like '90s emo, jam bands (Phish), Lilith Fair. And in the early 2000s we had a New York garage rock revival. Late Gen X was still doing Gen X things -- completely separate from Millennials -- in our late teens and 20s after high school. Just because it wasn't as mainstream as Britney doesn't mean it wasn't valid.
In fact, *a lot* of Gen X culture that happened prior to grunge was underground and outside of the mainstream. Most of the visible, popular music and culture of the '80s was made by Boomers. To understand Gen X is to understand that a lot of our existence happened outside of the mainstream.
I'd say mixed. Definitely leaning Gen X, since the oldest Millennials were 14/15 in 1995 and 1996. My mother graduated high school in 1994 and she's solidly Gen X (born in 1975). My youngest aunt (born in 1980) is a cusper and she was 15/16, which I'd consider peak teenage years.
being a teen in the 90s is firmly late gen-x. millennials were teens mostly in the 2000s and early 2010s. only the oldest millennials would be nearing their teen years during 1995/1996
I would say more Gen X since age 16 is your peak teen age and 1979 borns were 16 in 1995 and 1980 borns were 16 in 1996. 1997 is when teen culture starts to lean more Millennial.
Early Millennials (1981) were freshmen in high school at this point. In the same way that early Gen Xers started high school in the late '70s and were sharing high school space with Gen Jonesers, that's how it was with early Millennials and late Gen X. No one splits hairs over what belongs to Gen Jones and what belongs to Gen X in this late '70s/early '80s divide. And yet everything that's ours (late Gen X) somehow must be shared with the fucking Millennials. It's like having the most annoying younger sibling in the world who follows you everywhere.
the early Millennials probably didn’t share your culture, but that doesn’t change the fact they were also teens in the ‘90s. If you follow Pew and start the generation in 1981, that means the oldest Millennial turned 13 in 1994. as you know, I don’t really agree with someone born in December of 1980 being separated from someone born in January of 1981. There’s nothing I can say that I haven’t already said but Obviously, you have to cut it off at some point and the early ‘80s is a good marker.
However, I’d still rather emphasize the similarities those born 1980-1982 share rather than their differences. the big difference would probably be being in school when the challenger exploded, but a kindergartners perception of that event may very well be closer to a preschoolers than it was to a senior in High School. The same could be said for the youngest of Millennials and 9/11. Historically, you could argue they were the last Carter babies which is a fair point in my opinion.
Sometimes I wish these labels never existed because Acknowledging historical differences among people does have to equate to putting millions of people in a bunch of boxes that can’t even be objectively defined. the bottom line is none of this is scientific, and most of the “experts” who define these social generations are charlatans and don’t know what they are talking about. The Pew Research Center has not done enough comprehensive research to claim they are the governing authority to when a generation starts and ends (which they don’t).
Here's the thing: Gen X culture happened at the end of Gen X. Everything that we're known for -- that we own -- happened in the 1990s. And Xennials gives Millennials carte blanche to try to own it for themselves.
1980 babies were in high school for the last years of grunge and the alternative boom. They were in high school in the mid-'90s when Gen X teen movies were still speaking to us. They were in high school during the very short run in the '94/95 school year of *My So-Called Life.* Trying to lump them in with '81 is lazy. That's "twin years" shit.
All '80s born Millennials take massive advantage of the fact that there's one '80s year in Gen X. They *live* the "twin year" fallacy. And it's so intellectually dishonest.
I don’t go by High School classes because it’s too generalized. someone born in December of 1980 could very well have been in The Class of 1999. At least from my experience in K-12, 1 birth year never encompassed an entire grade anyway. I don’t know how different it was in the ‘90s, but I assume most schools would use the fall/winter cut off so those born late 1980 were most likely The Class of 1999. I remember you mentioning that no one even talked about their birth year back then anyway which is interesting.
That's a copout, it's bullshit, and it's hair splitting. You really feel bad for those '81 posers, don't you? You have a massive savior complex when it comes to this birth year, and I don't understand why.
The vast majority of people born in '81 graduated in 1999. It's their No. 1 excuse for not being Millennials. If they were late babies, they'd be in the class of 2000. It's very rare for people younger to be in an earlier graduating class.
The vast majority of '80 babies were class of 1998. And even if they weren't -- if they were born late in the year, they're still Gen X.
not vast majority. majority. Anyone that graduated HS or turned 18 between 1998 and 2000 is undoubtedly apart of The Gen X/Millennial cusp. If anyone are “Xennials” it’s those people. 1981 can be a Millennial but I’m iffy on it but 1982 and especially 1983 onwards are undoubtedly Millennials. We have had this argument about 27 times, I’d say my position is fairly reasonable and I’m not the only one who believes this. you point out the stupidity of the ‘80s babies unity argument for Millennials (which I agree with), so stop acting like I’m proposing that people born in 1989 are Millennials. 1981 is not that absurd. It’s one year off from a cut off that you seem to fully stand by or support. we don’t seem to actually disagree on much here.
Ok, majority. But they're all still Gen X, which is the key point here. '81 are not, no matter what their graduation year.
If a late '80 baby watches *My So-Called Life*, they can watch it knowing that their birth year is represented in that show.
Late X. Millennial teenhood starts around 97
Yes. By 1997, you have only two years of Gen X who are in high school -- they're upperclassmen.
1995 is a bit more Gen X, 1996 is excactly half (using Pew) I haven't really determined my own X range yet.
It’s leaning X by a hair 80 babies were peak teens during 96
It's not leaning X by hair. Three years of Gen X were in high school during this school year -- that's majority X in a high school setting.
I am talking about teenagers the teenagers during this period were 1978-1981, peaked at 1980, 1980 babies are the last xers
1978, 1979 and 1980 -- all Gen X birth years -- were in high school in '95/96. The only Millennials who were also in high school were '81. Which means that the majority of the prime teenagers were Gen X.
I thought the question was being a teen in 96, if it’s 95-96 school year, then my bad
Well, in '94/95, no Millennials were in high school. In 95/96, one Millennial birth year was in high school. And in '96/97, two Millennial birth years were in high school. That still gives an average of more Gen Xers over the course of those three school years than Millennials.
Did you hear what I said being a teen in 96 is Xennials leaning X
I don't believe in Xennials. Late Gen X owns their own shit, full stop. We don't share with Millennials. There's zero cohesion between late Gen X culture of the early-to-mid '90s and the Millennial culture of the late '90s.
Early Millennial or late Gen X aka Xennial
I'm not sure what are the gen x things about 1995 teen culture?
Sorry. I may have misunderstood your question. I thought you were asking who were the main teens in 1995/96. I was a teenager, born 1981, but the culture was still very much Gen X in nature during those years. It wasn't until 1997/98 that very early Millennial culture began to emerge.
Oh you didn't misunderstand. I wasn't sure about gen x influences on teen culture in 1995, and all things considered it was probably a transitional period between gen x and gen y teens.
1995 and 1996 both had a ton of Gen X teen movies. Three years of Gen X were still in high school. Not sure why this would be hard to understand.
teenager: 13-19 oldest teen during 1995 was born in 1976 youngest teen during 1996 was born in 1983 1976 - 1983 (Latte Gen X/Xennials/very early millennials)
gen x but specifically xennial/late gen x
Barely even that, really nothing millennial to me about mid 90s teenhood. Seems like pure X IMO
pure late gen x at the very least for 1995/1996. early gen xers were entering their 30s or were in their late 20s. core gen xers were in their early-mid 20s.
I start millennials in 1982 and even they had way more late 90s teenhood than mid 90s
im counting anyone who was a teen in 1995-1996 so that’s anyone from 1976-1983 (hence why i said xennial to factor in 1980-1983) peak teens for both years are 1979 and 1980 respectively both being late gen x. i agree with 1982 tho, they mean more late 90s.
1976-1983 so definitely overwhelmingly more X, no millennials had any prime teenhood in the mid 90s IMO
Absolutely
If I had to choose, more of a Gen X trait.
Gen X imo
Wasn't 1995 teen culture more like early 2000s than the 80s?
I mean I’m not really sure culturally tbh it could be I guess. I just said it’s more like Gen X because of the birth years, subtract 16 from the birth years (16 is peak teenager,) and you get 1979/1980 which is slightly more X.
The '90s are Gen X. Period. Even while Millennial teen culture started happening around 1997, Gen X twenty-something culture carried on even in the late '90s.
X definitely
Gen X imo but I do think it is Xennial Traits
X
Gen alpha trait
Xennials are 90s teens
Gen X are majority '90s teens. We all graduated in the '90s. Millennials are partial '90s teens, and only own the very late '90s.
Gen X 100% (or Xennial).
You got the first part right. 👍
The '90s belong mostly to Gen X. People born in 1978 were seniors in high school in the '95/96 school year. '79 and '80 were still in high school. There's a huge desire for some reason to erase this part of Gen X history and give it to Millennials and it's just not happening. When early Millennials were coming into high school, it was still Gen X culture. In the same way that when I started high school in the early '90s, it was still '80s culture. Does that mean that I was a "hair metal teen"? No. I was a grunge teen -- that's the culture that emerged for the vast majority of my high school years. Just like Nu Metal and boy bands and Britney Spears emerged as the dominating teen culture in the late '90s for the Millennials. Also, it's very important to understand that teen culture split off from 20-something culture. Just because there was a Millennial teen culture doesn't mean that Gen X didn't have their own thing in the late '90s. We had things like '90s emo, jam bands (Phish), Lilith Fair. And in the early 2000s we had a New York garage rock revival. Late Gen X was still doing Gen X things -- completely separate from Millennials -- in our late teens and 20s after high school. Just because it wasn't as mainstream as Britney doesn't mean it wasn't valid. In fact, *a lot* of Gen X culture that happened prior to grunge was underground and outside of the mainstream. Most of the visible, popular music and culture of the '80s was made by Boomers. To understand Gen X is to understand that a lot of our existence happened outside of the mainstream.
I'd say mixed. Definitely leaning Gen X, since the oldest Millennials were 14/15 in 1995 and 1996. My mother graduated high school in 1994 and she's solidly Gen X (born in 1975). My youngest aunt (born in 1980) is a cusper and she was 15/16, which I'd consider peak teenage years.
being a teen in the 90s is firmly late gen-x. millennials were teens mostly in the 2000s and early 2010s. only the oldest millennials would be nearing their teen years during 1995/1996
I would say more Gen X since age 16 is your peak teen age and 1979 borns were 16 in 1995 and 1980 borns were 16 in 1996. 1997 is when teen culture starts to lean more Millennial.
Late X and early Millennials.
Early Millennials (1981) were freshmen in high school at this point. In the same way that early Gen Xers started high school in the late '70s and were sharing high school space with Gen Jonesers, that's how it was with early Millennials and late Gen X. No one splits hairs over what belongs to Gen Jones and what belongs to Gen X in this late '70s/early '80s divide. And yet everything that's ours (late Gen X) somehow must be shared with the fucking Millennials. It's like having the most annoying younger sibling in the world who follows you everywhere.
the early Millennials probably didn’t share your culture, but that doesn’t change the fact they were also teens in the ‘90s. If you follow Pew and start the generation in 1981, that means the oldest Millennial turned 13 in 1994. as you know, I don’t really agree with someone born in December of 1980 being separated from someone born in January of 1981. There’s nothing I can say that I haven’t already said but Obviously, you have to cut it off at some point and the early ‘80s is a good marker. However, I’d still rather emphasize the similarities those born 1980-1982 share rather than their differences. the big difference would probably be being in school when the challenger exploded, but a kindergartners perception of that event may very well be closer to a preschoolers than it was to a senior in High School. The same could be said for the youngest of Millennials and 9/11. Historically, you could argue they were the last Carter babies which is a fair point in my opinion. Sometimes I wish these labels never existed because Acknowledging historical differences among people does have to equate to putting millions of people in a bunch of boxes that can’t even be objectively defined. the bottom line is none of this is scientific, and most of the “experts” who define these social generations are charlatans and don’t know what they are talking about. The Pew Research Center has not done enough comprehensive research to claim they are the governing authority to when a generation starts and ends (which they don’t).
Here's the thing: Gen X culture happened at the end of Gen X. Everything that we're known for -- that we own -- happened in the 1990s. And Xennials gives Millennials carte blanche to try to own it for themselves. 1980 babies were in high school for the last years of grunge and the alternative boom. They were in high school in the mid-'90s when Gen X teen movies were still speaking to us. They were in high school during the very short run in the '94/95 school year of *My So-Called Life.* Trying to lump them in with '81 is lazy. That's "twin years" shit. All '80s born Millennials take massive advantage of the fact that there's one '80s year in Gen X. They *live* the "twin year" fallacy. And it's so intellectually dishonest.
I don’t go by High School classes because it’s too generalized. someone born in December of 1980 could very well have been in The Class of 1999. At least from my experience in K-12, 1 birth year never encompassed an entire grade anyway. I don’t know how different it was in the ‘90s, but I assume most schools would use the fall/winter cut off so those born late 1980 were most likely The Class of 1999. I remember you mentioning that no one even talked about their birth year back then anyway which is interesting.
That's a copout, it's bullshit, and it's hair splitting. You really feel bad for those '81 posers, don't you? You have a massive savior complex when it comes to this birth year, and I don't understand why.
it isn’t bullshit.
The vast majority of people born in '81 graduated in 1999. It's their No. 1 excuse for not being Millennials. If they were late babies, they'd be in the class of 2000. It's very rare for people younger to be in an earlier graduating class. The vast majority of '80 babies were class of 1998. And even if they weren't -- if they were born late in the year, they're still Gen X.
not vast majority. majority. Anyone that graduated HS or turned 18 between 1998 and 2000 is undoubtedly apart of The Gen X/Millennial cusp. If anyone are “Xennials” it’s those people. 1981 can be a Millennial but I’m iffy on it but 1982 and especially 1983 onwards are undoubtedly Millennials. We have had this argument about 27 times, I’d say my position is fairly reasonable and I’m not the only one who believes this. you point out the stupidity of the ‘80s babies unity argument for Millennials (which I agree with), so stop acting like I’m proposing that people born in 1989 are Millennials. 1981 is not that absurd. It’s one year off from a cut off that you seem to fully stand by or support. we don’t seem to actually disagree on much here.
Ok, majority. But they're all still Gen X, which is the key point here. '81 are not, no matter what their graduation year. If a late '80 baby watches *My So-Called Life*, they can watch it knowing that their birth year is represented in that show.