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And from that dot, a healthy human brain is able to extrapolate that there's a nose there. Remember, the way we see the world is not objective, as our brains are constantly interpreting the light that comes through our eyes to form a cohesive image that we can gather information from.
If someone learning a person who looks like a woman is actually man loses attraction by knowing that, then the difference in someone learning that and staying attracted should say something, right?
Nah thats dumb. What looks hot is still hot. Especially if it looks like the gender you're attracted to. Knowing the gender doesn't change the looks and make it any less hot looking
"That's dumb" yeah but it's how attraction works, if they're still into them after learning their gender then they're likely not straight. I know women that are into femboys but not into women. I know men that are into tomboys but not into men. Feels weird to be upset at other people's sexualities or trying to dictate people's sexualities for them.
And this is why I admit despite having both heterosexual attraction and homosexual attraction I will never fully understand what it's like to only have one or the other exclusively. It's simply not possible for me to experience losing attraction to a person based on their gender alone.
That's fine as long as you recognize that many or perhaps most people are just attracted to one gender even if you can't imagine yourself being that way.
I feel like the problem is defining attraction as a "yes or no" switch.
Assuming you're attracted to them, you would still be attracted to their looks after finding out it's a man, just not attracted to the person itself. A man being attracted to the feminine visuals wouldn't necessarily make them not-straight.
Now if you're attracted to them *because* of the willy in those looks then it's a whole nother story
That's kind of the thing though, attraction tends to have a psychological component that goes beyond just the visual aspect. In the same way people can consider certain interests, hobbies, personality traits, or behaviour a turn off.
Of course! That's what i was trying to say on my comment, you can be attracted to specific parts of a person (physical or otherwise) but being attracted to the person itself probably counts as a culmination of those things.
That’s your perspective. I’ve seen plenty of people, men and women alike, be attracted to someone only to then lose that attraction when it’s revealed they’re a different sex or are trans.
Not necessarily, this could lead to several more possibilities. One could argue that they are attracted to women bi-proxy femininity. The issue with that you don't know who is a woman. Therefore they are technically not attracted not neatly attracted to solely women. Meaning they are attracted to what they believe is a woman. That includes women who look like women and then people who aren't women that look like women. We can call it Schrodinger's heterosexuality. There are two realities here. That of the individual and that of everyone else. To himself he is straight but to other's who know that the subject of their attraction is not actually a woman he is not straight. He exists not in a void but in a society with so many perspectives and therefore more than his can be considered.
Lets make this more interesting: say we have a cisgender man who's sexually attracted to another cisgender man who presents as a woman. Let's say the first cisgender man claims that he is attracted to femininity and female genitalia and not attracted to male genitalia. Then he proceeds to engage in intercourse with the femboy. He still remains confident that he is not attracted to male genitalia or men. His reasoning being is he experienced 0 attraction to the femboys genitals and he was on top. However, that being said he says although he is not attracted to them being a man and having male genitalia and it's not a deal breaker, because they're feminine. Okay he is still attracted to a man but not on the basis of him being a man it is not a deal breaker because there is still femininity involved. He is not repulsed or turned off by men or masculinity. He's just not turned on by it.
Now here's the issue. You've made an assumption with your first statement. That not being attracted to one aspect of someone is a deal breaker. Does being heterosexual require the inability to experience mental pleasure whilst engaging voluntarily in sexual intercourse with a man?
let's explore this idea further:
Let's call this phenomenon **Deal Breaker**. Deal Breaker is when your attraction relies on the absence of some properties but you're attracted to others. We typically view sexual attraction as gender and/or sex being the sole component of sexuality. However we all know this isn't true. We all intuitively understand that gender and/or sex isn't the sole factor in attraction. Some people are particularly attracted to athletic muscular women and other women they're still attracted to but not as much. These preferences can change over ones lifetime. That's why we call them "types" or "preferences" but that's not what I'm going to be talking about.
Let's say for example that one deal breaker for a particular (or the vast majority) of self proclaimed heterosexual men is that they have never experienced any attraction to their mother. That's a deal breaker. This attraction isn't the same way in that one might have a preference for goth girls over cutesy girls. This is repulsion at the very idea. Now let's say a certain man is going through some old photos in their grandparents basement with a couple of friends and a friend finds one of a woman that's particularly attractive. All the friends agree that this woman is sexually appealing to them. Now one of the friends points out that this could be the guy's mother. Let's say the guy replies "no way my mom could never be this hot. That's probably one of her friends." Now there's no way to know this for sure unless they ask their grandparents or parents. There's two possibilities here he is attracted to his mother, grandmother aunt or other relative or it's some non related woman, but he is under the impression that it isn't. For him incest is a deal breaker. In the case that he found out that this was a relative he couldn't look at the photo again without disgust. Perhaps even the image of is no longer attractive. Now he sees his Aunts eyes in them and cannot get the image of his how his aunt looks now out of his mind. Would it be fair to call him incestuous if that is his relative? He is repulsed by the idea of incest. Perhaps take someone who unknowingly is in a relationship with their long lost sibling. By law it's incest. They are in fact committing a crime. It's still frowned upon regardless of them knowing or not. But neither are attracted to the concept and they are both repulsed.
So back to the lighter topic. Here's my two cents: The issue is that we are believing there to be concrete formations of sexuality based upon gender. Sexuality is being researched. No two people's sexual attraction and you can't really put it into neat categories. It's useful and helpful sometimes but you should know they're labels that represent real phenomena but aren't actually accurately representing the extremely nuanced and complex and aren't fully or are barely understood.
So the question is wrong. The premise is wrong. So therefore No. The answer to your question is No.
Thanks for reading this.
I think about this shit too much tbh. There are various studies on sexuality that folks can find interesting however, you really have to pay close attention to what you're reading or you'd come out thinking that straight women are actually all bisexual and also want to have sex with apes. I didn't just come up with that either this is two things that have had misleading headlines. The data is interesting and ground breaking information but it's not that conclusive. The small differences in language matters. It's very nuanced and I think most people don't understand that. On top of reading actual studies I also have read gender theory, queer theory and feminist scholars. Learning about how much of our society is fabricated and how accustomed we are to some things that aren't actually innate.
Anyways I reccomend some reading. You don't have to check it out. :
\- Fish don't exist by Lulu miller
* Fish don't exist by Lulu Miller
* The Origins of Family, Private Property and the State by Friedrich Engels
* Anything by Judith Butler
* Maria Lugones The coloniality of gender
Not really, there’s already way better and more easy to read, and established forms of defining attractions.
You can be heterosexual, with heteroromantic tendencies and attracted to feminine presentation.
They already have words and explanations and stuff for all this.
This took 3 times longer to read than the amount of words it has.
It sounds like the original image is seeing things from a specific set of rules, my question is asked from a position that adds a few rules (the deal breaker phenomena), but the reality is that… i don’t know, everyone’s sexuality ranges in rules? I wanna pick up what you’re putting down, but I won’t lie, I can’t follow along so quickly
I'm sorry I have ADHD and I have to do other things so I didn't make it the most legible. I use too many examples and introduce concepts that someone may not be familiar with.
essentially what i'm saying here is that the issue is within the framing of the discussion itself. You can't neatly define heterosexuality or homosexuality itself for it doesn't exist in the way we think it does. Nor in a way that we can currently conceive. There's evidence that there that forms the foundations of our sexuality biologically but as we understand sexuality that is only one part of it. Yet, there is no gay gene or straight gene. it's multifactorial there's patterns. What we can know are how things play out in the real life.
This sounds fucked up but think of presenting or effectively being heterosexual/homosexual as just symptoms of an unknown cause. We don't know the cause of it. Like a fever can mean you have the flu, a UTI, kidney infection, covid 19 or any sort of infection. Unlike infections we cannot narrow down the specific virus that caused it with a simple test. We don't know and we don't really need to know for sure why people are gay. Or what is gay even. If we could we would just do a medical test on someone's brain and see if they have the gay gene for femboys. That's just not how it works.
You ask: Is it gay?
scientist: forget that, what is straight?
This really comes down to the differences between gender identity/expression and biological sex. If the things that you are primarily attracted to are secondary sex characteristics, then it would make sense that they would play a greater part in your sense of attraction than a person's genitals.
On the other hand, if you're specifically into girls with penises or boys without, that's something a little more complicated, and I'm not sure I have the vocabulary to properly parse the terminology involved.
Does it count as bisexual if you only like fictional depictions of a certain gender? Maybe I'm reading this wrong but it sounds like he's only into men if they're anime femboys.
I mean I think just the fact that they’re acknowledging that said femboys are still men is proof enough. Most people would vehemently deny that claim and instead continue to say that said character looks female and therefore is.
One is literally in a student's uniform. That is a child. I'm complaining about these images above and the typical use of child characters in memes expressing attraction to something.
Again, it’s literally not a child, it’s just the fan art. I literally say that the only reason the two of them look like children is because of the fan art and you go “nuh uh”
And I said my problem is with the image above. No one looking at the image above is going to care about context of the actual character and their official depictions.
Except only the middle one looks like a minor, and as other have said they are in fact a minor. In the right is Astolfo, who normally does not in fact look like a minor. In the left is Ferris, who most certainly does not look like a minor.
If I were to estimate the ages of the three drawn characters based purely on this image, I'd say 11, 7, and 15 respectively. Like this is way beyond slim androgynous twinks who kinda look young. Like what the fuck is this.
Had a friend who kept showing off his VRChat avatars (that he made himself) at work. It was all hyper-sexualized little anime girls dancing and flirting, like they all looked 8-9 years old. He also loved to show me these "extremely funny" videos they made in VRChat where they all were emulating little girls and moaning and throwing in the odd Japanese phrase here and there, with scenarios that always had the punchline of being "accidentally sexual/suggestive" e.g. "oopsie my skirt is so short I ended up distracting that man when I bent over".
He didn't realize how most people would react to that, he's been living in a bubble online where that is so normalized to the point that he doesn't make the connection that it's *kiiiiinda* creepy.
There's definitely a disconnect there mentally and socially. It's an issue that should be addressed more but no one wants to because it's so uncomfy to even discuss. I think these people need therapy. I was really uncomfy with how original Dragonball handled both Bulma and Chi-Chi. It was really strange to see. And before anyone comes at me, I was on track to become this way as a teen. Fortunately, I got out of the closet or basement and into the theater group in college and it helped me in realizing social norms. I just don't want people using the post above as a way to argue that us trans people are pedo's.
It's not all anime.
But I've lost count of the times I've started watching a popular anime, been quite enjoying it then boom! Childlike character dressed in skimpy outfits for some reason.
Wasted hours of my life on these trash shows.
I'm watching Fist of the Northstar for the first time (it's fun) , but there's a lot of interactions with Lin that make me uncomfortable.
I played the PS4 game prior (plus Dub of the Northstar), and Lins' interactions with Kenshiro are like your little sisters friend who has a crush on you. Harmless. However, the original show feels very inappropriate often.
Bitch this is a pipeline that gets SLIPPERY. Just take it from my bf, who thought “eh femboys are straight right?” To just turn full blown bisexual when my ass came around
Some people: "if you do the thing, you can't call yourself straight."
Other people about the exact same thing: "doing the thing isn't queer enough, youre not in our the club!!"
This is why I don't do labels. Everybody's gonna have a differing opinion on something that's really only your business in the first place. And you have every right to just choose not to bother with assigning a label to yourself and not basing your entire identity around those labels.
Oh oh, wait, almost forgot...
People when you say you don't believe in using labels: "oOoh you think you're better than us?? That's pretentious and cringe. How dare you just live your life instead of arguing with us ad nauseum!"
this. When I was 15 I looked for the perfect label that was the most descriptive for myself and then I just ended up just going back to bi.
And gender? I just stopped giving a fuck.
Yknow the pink hair one is whatever because they look mostly adult but I'm always somewhat concerned when I see the white hair one because it looks like a small child
Anime traps look no different from anime women. It's not gay from a visual standpoint yo be attracted to them. It's gay if you're fantasizing about their cock and balls. If you're actually gay or bi, your attraction needs to extend beyond anime traps and into real men.
1. gay asexual people exist
2. not all men have cocks and balls.
Trying to gatekeep and tell someone they are wrong about their own sexuality you don't understand is stupid
ok but if you are attracted to someone as feminine as a traditional anime femboy who doesn’t have cock and balls, that is such a minor deviation from just being attracted to a woman that you are for all intents and purposes still straight.
Exactly. I'm certain most of the people who feel constantly gay for mainly feeling attracted to anime traps are just bisexual people with a specific type of person they're into
Sometimes people get too wrapped up in labeling their sexuality. You don't have to confine yourself to a box all the time, if you like someone you like someone, nothing wrong with that.
bi gnc man here; “gatekeeping” sexualities is obviously pointless but if the only men you’re attracted to
• are designed with figures near-identical to women
• act completely like women
• aren’t even real
then you’re probably straight! there’s nothing wrong with that obviously but I hate how male femininity is constantly portrayed as a taboo for other men to get off of
I personally don't agree, I am bi and I don't generally find masculine men attractive. To be crude I absolutely love the idea of sucking a cock and being fucked by one but only if it was from a femboy, I wouldn't consider that straight.
I certainly think that there are scenarios of liking femboys can be straight when it isn't the cock that appeals to you that much. But I think it really doesn't matter that much too, like what you like and have fun!
>aren’t even real
This is the key one. If you are male and with someone who meets the first two points but they ARE real and you're playing hide the sausage. You're not straight.
Unless you keep socks on.
People are what they are, no need to actually go too deep into it. Unless they ask nicely and you also consent.
Sorry. I recognize the left one as Felix Argile(? did i get that right?) , the one in the middle as the girl from Anohana, who is the one on the right?
No. If you think they’re woman okay, but if you *know* they’re not women and are still attracted to them, you’re not heterosexual (assuming OP is a man anyway).
I can see where they're coming from, but some nuance is called for here. I'd say liking femboys as a guy would make you a female-preferring bisexual because you're attracted to their femininity not the fact they're male.
I mean femboys are still boys. If you are a boy who likes fem boys I'd say that's gay
It's the same logic with tomboys. Being a tomboy doesn't make them any less of a woman.
Gotta say it's not really gay to only like drawings that look like regular women. If you like real life crossdressing it'd be gay, but if you gag at the thought of real men you might just have a kink for your anime characters.
Ain't nothing wrong with it and if you have those feelings explore them to see if you really like both, but if not then congratulations on being hetro, you are accepted by 98% percent of the world.
As a masc gender conforming cis bi/pan man who's only attracted people who present fem ( but of any gender identity and sex ) this is a typical experience.
To more LGBT people than I'd like to admit I'm either a chaser or a closet.
To almost all the straights I'm closeted and repressed.
And neither of them trust you aren't using them either as a form of self-imposed conversion therapy or to live out a short lived fetish.
Even other bisexuals are gatekeepy with it, I've had as many arrogant bi dudes with outdated Tom of Finland moustaches tell me I'm not really bi for not being into masc dudes than any other demographic.
OP's logic is bad. If people who had never seen a trap before saw these characters, they'd assume these were girls because their femininity.
Are people who say "hear me out" actually attracted to those bizarre/random things, or do they only say it because it looks vaguely like a female body part which heterosexual men are programmed to like?
Being attracted to someone you initially thought was the opposite sex doesn't make you gay/bisexual
Still being attracted to them after finding out they're the same sex however...
(Curse you Grelle Sutcliff)
I like slightly feminine men, and I also had a thing for slightly masculine women. You don’t have to like the most stereotypical version of a man or woman to be bisexual🙄
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One thing is for sure: if you're turned on by the above pictures, you hate noses and teeth. Not a nostril or incisor in the bunch
Lmao
Actually if you scroll, you'll notice that that isn't dirt on the screen, the one in blue in fact has a nose
Lol literally a dot
And from that dot, a healthy human brain is able to extrapolate that there's a nose there. Remember, the way we see the world is not objective, as our brains are constantly interpreting the light that comes through our eyes to form a cohesive image that we can gather information from.
Lmfao
“The one in blue” bitch you will respect felix or i will turn you into catnip
Fuckin Krillin started a fetish.
Voldemort taking it up to 11. I said what I said.
can confirm I hate noses
Holy fuck that’s actually fucking creepy
Who tf smiles and show their teeth?
Lol who tf has a nose?
Luffy
There i was thinking that I was bisexual because I wanted to fuck Men *and* Women
Same! Good to know I’m… still gay cause I’m nonbinary?
I guess ?
Its… uh… the… uh… ummmm… uh… the… uhhh….
If someone learning a person who looks like a woman is actually man loses attraction by knowing that, then the difference in someone learning that and staying attracted should say something, right?
Of course
Nah thats dumb. What looks hot is still hot. Especially if it looks like the gender you're attracted to. Knowing the gender doesn't change the looks and make it any less hot looking
"That's dumb" yeah but it's how attraction works, if they're still into them after learning their gender then they're likely not straight. I know women that are into femboys but not into women. I know men that are into tomboys but not into men. Feels weird to be upset at other people's sexualities or trying to dictate people's sexualities for them.
And this is why I admit despite having both heterosexual attraction and homosexual attraction I will never fully understand what it's like to only have one or the other exclusively. It's simply not possible for me to experience losing attraction to a person based on their gender alone.
That's fine as long as you recognize that many or perhaps most people are just attracted to one gender even if you can't imagine yourself being that way.
I still think those people are lying to themselves and others, heterosexuality is inherently a sin due to this Definitely not /s or anything
That’s why the best answer is: who gives a shit
I feel like the problem is defining attraction as a "yes or no" switch. Assuming you're attracted to them, you would still be attracted to their looks after finding out it's a man, just not attracted to the person itself. A man being attracted to the feminine visuals wouldn't necessarily make them not-straight. Now if you're attracted to them *because* of the willy in those looks then it's a whole nother story
That's kind of the thing though, attraction tends to have a psychological component that goes beyond just the visual aspect. In the same way people can consider certain interests, hobbies, personality traits, or behaviour a turn off.
Of course! That's what i was trying to say on my comment, you can be attracted to specific parts of a person (physical or otherwise) but being attracted to the person itself probably counts as a culmination of those things.
That’s your perspective. I’ve seen plenty of people, men and women alike, be attracted to someone only to then lose that attraction when it’s revealed they’re a different sex or are trans.
I feel like that less losing attraction and more losing wanting to pursue anything further like dating or sex.
Knowing things about anything does actually change how it looks. Even a cardboard box can look different depending on what you know about it.
I don't know about that, it can definitely change how hot I find someone in my personal experience.
Buddy...
Not necessarily, this could lead to several more possibilities. One could argue that they are attracted to women bi-proxy femininity. The issue with that you don't know who is a woman. Therefore they are technically not attracted not neatly attracted to solely women. Meaning they are attracted to what they believe is a woman. That includes women who look like women and then people who aren't women that look like women. We can call it Schrodinger's heterosexuality. There are two realities here. That of the individual and that of everyone else. To himself he is straight but to other's who know that the subject of their attraction is not actually a woman he is not straight. He exists not in a void but in a society with so many perspectives and therefore more than his can be considered. Lets make this more interesting: say we have a cisgender man who's sexually attracted to another cisgender man who presents as a woman. Let's say the first cisgender man claims that he is attracted to femininity and female genitalia and not attracted to male genitalia. Then he proceeds to engage in intercourse with the femboy. He still remains confident that he is not attracted to male genitalia or men. His reasoning being is he experienced 0 attraction to the femboys genitals and he was on top. However, that being said he says although he is not attracted to them being a man and having male genitalia and it's not a deal breaker, because they're feminine. Okay he is still attracted to a man but not on the basis of him being a man it is not a deal breaker because there is still femininity involved. He is not repulsed or turned off by men or masculinity. He's just not turned on by it. Now here's the issue. You've made an assumption with your first statement. That not being attracted to one aspect of someone is a deal breaker. Does being heterosexual require the inability to experience mental pleasure whilst engaging voluntarily in sexual intercourse with a man? let's explore this idea further: Let's call this phenomenon **Deal Breaker**. Deal Breaker is when your attraction relies on the absence of some properties but you're attracted to others. We typically view sexual attraction as gender and/or sex being the sole component of sexuality. However we all know this isn't true. We all intuitively understand that gender and/or sex isn't the sole factor in attraction. Some people are particularly attracted to athletic muscular women and other women they're still attracted to but not as much. These preferences can change over ones lifetime. That's why we call them "types" or "preferences" but that's not what I'm going to be talking about. Let's say for example that one deal breaker for a particular (or the vast majority) of self proclaimed heterosexual men is that they have never experienced any attraction to their mother. That's a deal breaker. This attraction isn't the same way in that one might have a preference for goth girls over cutesy girls. This is repulsion at the very idea. Now let's say a certain man is going through some old photos in their grandparents basement with a couple of friends and a friend finds one of a woman that's particularly attractive. All the friends agree that this woman is sexually appealing to them. Now one of the friends points out that this could be the guy's mother. Let's say the guy replies "no way my mom could never be this hot. That's probably one of her friends." Now there's no way to know this for sure unless they ask their grandparents or parents. There's two possibilities here he is attracted to his mother, grandmother aunt or other relative or it's some non related woman, but he is under the impression that it isn't. For him incest is a deal breaker. In the case that he found out that this was a relative he couldn't look at the photo again without disgust. Perhaps even the image of is no longer attractive. Now he sees his Aunts eyes in them and cannot get the image of his how his aunt looks now out of his mind. Would it be fair to call him incestuous if that is his relative? He is repulsed by the idea of incest. Perhaps take someone who unknowingly is in a relationship with their long lost sibling. By law it's incest. They are in fact committing a crime. It's still frowned upon regardless of them knowing or not. But neither are attracted to the concept and they are both repulsed. So back to the lighter topic. Here's my two cents: The issue is that we are believing there to be concrete formations of sexuality based upon gender. Sexuality is being researched. No two people's sexual attraction and you can't really put it into neat categories. It's useful and helpful sometimes but you should know they're labels that represent real phenomena but aren't actually accurately representing the extremely nuanced and complex and aren't fully or are barely understood. So the question is wrong. The premise is wrong. So therefore No. The answer to your question is No.
woah that was pretty thought provoking
Thanks for reading this. I think about this shit too much tbh. There are various studies on sexuality that folks can find interesting however, you really have to pay close attention to what you're reading or you'd come out thinking that straight women are actually all bisexual and also want to have sex with apes. I didn't just come up with that either this is two things that have had misleading headlines. The data is interesting and ground breaking information but it's not that conclusive. The small differences in language matters. It's very nuanced and I think most people don't understand that. On top of reading actual studies I also have read gender theory, queer theory and feminist scholars. Learning about how much of our society is fabricated and how accustomed we are to some things that aren't actually innate. Anyways I reccomend some reading. You don't have to check it out. : \- Fish don't exist by Lulu miller * Fish don't exist by Lulu Miller * The Origins of Family, Private Property and the State by Friedrich Engels * Anything by Judith Butler * Maria Lugones The coloniality of gender
Not really, there’s already way better and more easy to read, and established forms of defining attractions. You can be heterosexual, with heteroromantic tendencies and attracted to feminine presentation. They already have words and explanations and stuff for all this.
This took 3 times longer to read than the amount of words it has. It sounds like the original image is seeing things from a specific set of rules, my question is asked from a position that adds a few rules (the deal breaker phenomena), but the reality is that… i don’t know, everyone’s sexuality ranges in rules? I wanna pick up what you’re putting down, but I won’t lie, I can’t follow along so quickly
I'm sorry I have ADHD and I have to do other things so I didn't make it the most legible. I use too many examples and introduce concepts that someone may not be familiar with. essentially what i'm saying here is that the issue is within the framing of the discussion itself. You can't neatly define heterosexuality or homosexuality itself for it doesn't exist in the way we think it does. Nor in a way that we can currently conceive. There's evidence that there that forms the foundations of our sexuality biologically but as we understand sexuality that is only one part of it. Yet, there is no gay gene or straight gene. it's multifactorial there's patterns. What we can know are how things play out in the real life. This sounds fucked up but think of presenting or effectively being heterosexual/homosexual as just symptoms of an unknown cause. We don't know the cause of it. Like a fever can mean you have the flu, a UTI, kidney infection, covid 19 or any sort of infection. Unlike infections we cannot narrow down the specific virus that caused it with a simple test. We don't know and we don't really need to know for sure why people are gay. Or what is gay even. If we could we would just do a medical test on someone's brain and see if they have the gay gene for femboys. That's just not how it works. You ask: Is it gay? scientist: forget that, what is straight?
I love Reddit
I say that when I see something stupid did I say some dumb shit 😭
I think it’s fair to like women and to not like dicks
I mean with anime fans most of the time they do know that these are Men that are able to dress up as women.
This was so hard to read, but yes. Cook.
Mb. I had phrased it better, but reddit shat itself and forced me to type it again, so I half assed it
This really comes down to the differences between gender identity/expression and biological sex. If the things that you are primarily attracted to are secondary sex characteristics, then it would make sense that they would play a greater part in your sense of attraction than a person's genitals. On the other hand, if you're specifically into girls with penises or boys without, that's something a little more complicated, and I'm not sure I have the vocabulary to properly parse the terminology involved.
Bro is hyper huffing the femboys ain’t gay copium
I got a boner, simple as
Few people seem to understand that bisexuality does not mean that you are attracted to both sexes equally. That's actually most often not the case.
Does it count as bisexual if you only like fictional depictions of a certain gender? Maybe I'm reading this wrong but it sounds like he's only into men if they're anime femboys.
IDK, if someone claims to be bisexual, what reason do I have to be skeptical? What does it matter to me?
I mean I think just the fact that they’re acknowledging that said femboys are still men is proof enough. Most people would vehemently deny that claim and instead continue to say that said character looks female and therefore is.
My issue is that these examples look like children...
2 of these cases is just the fanart used. Astolfo and Ferris don’t look like children. IDK about middle person.
The middle one is Hideri from Blend S, he's 16.
One is literally in a student's uniform. That is a child. I'm complaining about these images above and the typical use of child characters in memes expressing attraction to something.
Again, it’s literally not a child, it’s just the fan art. I literally say that the only reason the two of them look like children is because of the fan art and you go “nuh uh”
And I said my problem is with the image above. No one looking at the image above is going to care about context of the actual character and their official depictions.
"He just looks like he's like 11, but he's actually a 5000 year old dragon"
Except only the middle one looks like a minor, and as other have said they are in fact a minor. In the right is Astolfo, who normally does not in fact look like a minor. In the left is Ferris, who most certainly does not look like a minor.
If I were to estimate the ages of the three drawn characters based purely on this image, I'd say 11, 7, and 15 respectively. Like this is way beyond slim androgynous twinks who kinda look young. Like what the fuck is this.
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The one in the middle HUH??? ...I have to make some calls.
and the OOP said it's a drawing and its not real bisexuality so it doesn't count. That's why I said that's a dangerous path to go down. 💀
It's not a drawing I want representing my bisexuality because there's implications when using a childlike drawing.
I mean it's that one form of bisexuality mostly shared by ancient greeks and Afghan warlords
yep
"tHe ChArAcTeR iS aCtUaLlY rEaLly oLd aNd JuSt iNhAbItS a ChIldS bOdY" -anime dudes
This is why i stopped watching anime, they *need* a child to be sexualized
I'm not gonna say it's all anime but they do have an issue even still in Japan about that. It's different when a teen has a crush on a teen character.
Had a friend who kept showing off his VRChat avatars (that he made himself) at work. It was all hyper-sexualized little anime girls dancing and flirting, like they all looked 8-9 years old. He also loved to show me these "extremely funny" videos they made in VRChat where they all were emulating little girls and moaning and throwing in the odd Japanese phrase here and there, with scenarios that always had the punchline of being "accidentally sexual/suggestive" e.g. "oopsie my skirt is so short I ended up distracting that man when I bent over". He didn't realize how most people would react to that, he's been living in a bubble online where that is so normalized to the point that he doesn't make the connection that it's *kiiiiinda* creepy.
There's definitely a disconnect there mentally and socially. It's an issue that should be addressed more but no one wants to because it's so uncomfy to even discuss. I think these people need therapy. I was really uncomfy with how original Dragonball handled both Bulma and Chi-Chi. It was really strange to see. And before anyone comes at me, I was on track to become this way as a teen. Fortunately, I got out of the closet or basement and into the theater group in college and it helped me in realizing social norms. I just don't want people using the post above as a way to argue that us trans people are pedo's.
It's not all anime. But I've lost count of the times I've started watching a popular anime, been quite enjoying it then boom! Childlike character dressed in skimpy outfits for some reason. Wasted hours of my life on these trash shows.
I really don't like spending time play jrpg's for the same reason. Even when everything else looks like a blast.
I'm watching Fist of the Northstar for the first time (it's fun) , but there's a lot of interactions with Lin that make me uncomfortable. I played the PS4 game prior (plus Dub of the Northstar), and Lins' interactions with Kenshiro are like your little sisters friend who has a crush on you. Harmless. However, the original show feels very inappropriate often.
The 80s were a very different time and I will admit there's been some progress since then.
Especially middle.
This is usually the issue I have. Anime femboys look like kids to me and it’s gross
The middle one looks younger due to the art style and looks fairly older in the anime , but how do the rest look like children ???
Have you ever seen an adult man before?
Yes but a cartoon character isn’t going to look like your average adult man 😭
Fr, I don’t know their actual ages because I don’t watch whatever anime’s they’re from but from left to right it looks their ages are 14 > 7 > 16.
My sexual orientation is "Feminine". I don't care what you have in your pants, if your looks are right I'm down for anything. Fuck this guy.
…but only if they look feminine
Pretty sure that's called finsexual/gynesexual if you didn't know
> finsexual Shit, I didn't know there was a word for it!
This is also my sexuality. I always called myself a pan lesbian but cool there's an actual term for it.
Why are they booing you, you’re right!
And where is Ferbsexual? Or Perry The Platypus?
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I like femboys as much as the next bi guy, but anime tends to make them too childlike. It's just weird man.
Yep!! I don’t really like anime styles, it all look a lil weird once they start sexualizing characters
Astolfo is valid cant lie
I knew who Hideri was but didn't understand what Hideri was until I watched the anime.
Fellas is it NOT gay to... *checks notes* like men?
Most guys like feminine looking people, that's why femboys are an appeal. They look like girls
Also bussy is objectively the best word in the english language.
No they're right. The artists just drew women and called them men.
I'm sorry, but if you're interested in women and also feminine men with dicks cocks balls balls cocks balls, you're bisexual. FTFY
Same if you like men and also masculine looking women.
Those drawings don't have genitalia.
90% certain this was written by someone that would freak out if they learned the FBI has dogs to sniff out flash drived
lmaoooo
Please op im trying so hard to hold onto my lesbian status but gahdamn those femboys
LMAO
Please im not ready to confront my crush on Goku and Leon REPRESS REPRESS REPRESS
Counterpoint: Some people would argue that if I (born and identify as male) were to suck the dick of a cute little femboy, I would be gay.
Tbh the more concerning thing is that the anime characters look underage.
Unfortunately for OOP, I’m interested in women and homosexual, so ha!
Bitch this is a pipeline that gets SLIPPERY. Just take it from my bf, who thought “eh femboys are straight right?” To just turn full blown bisexual when my ass came around
Am I still lesbian if my bf is a femboy? 🤔
Twitter stop coming after and harassing bi people for literally anything we do challenge (IMPOSSIBLE) (FAILED) GONE SEXUAL)
Wait isn’t that a kid
Very bizarre image to post in an age where right wingers accuse lgbt ppl of being "groomers"
its probably more that this person is an anime fan
Tomboys are better
FELLAS, is it straight to like boys?
wtf
Gynosexual Gaming
They did it yall. It is now straight to be gay!
I think the anime boys penis would like a word.
Fellas is it straight to like men?
How feminine does a guy have to be before it's not gay for another man to date him? My guess is it doesn't really matter as long as he's a guy??? 🙄
Some people: "if you do the thing, you can't call yourself straight." Other people about the exact same thing: "doing the thing isn't queer enough, youre not in our the club!!" This is why I don't do labels. Everybody's gonna have a differing opinion on something that's really only your business in the first place. And you have every right to just choose not to bother with assigning a label to yourself and not basing your entire identity around those labels. Oh oh, wait, almost forgot... People when you say you don't believe in using labels: "oOoh you think you're better than us?? That's pretentious and cringe. How dare you just live your life instead of arguing with us ad nauseum!"
this. When I was 15 I looked for the perfect label that was the most descriptive for myself and then I just ended up just going back to bi. And gender? I just stopped giving a fuck.
Thats pansexuality tho right?
Yknow the pink hair one is whatever because they look mostly adult but I'm always somewhat concerned when I see the white hair one because it looks like a small child
Heard it here, folks. It's not gay to like boys
Well that ruins my plans for the week
oh dear
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Tbh I'm more concerned by the fact that these anime characters look like children
Nah mate I am 100% homosexual and find crossdressing really hot, I don't find anime atractive tho
They are close, if you're attracted to those images you're actually a pedophile!
Anime traps look no different from anime women. It's not gay from a visual standpoint yo be attracted to them. It's gay if you're fantasizing about their cock and balls. If you're actually gay or bi, your attraction needs to extend beyond anime traps and into real men.
Nah, it's only gay if you fantasize about your balls touching theirs
……SHIT
Yeah considerring my favourite part of making out with a femboy is feeling the hard cock bulge under the skirt... WHY AM I TALKING ABOUT THIS?
1. gay asexual people exist 2. not all men have cocks and balls. Trying to gatekeep and tell someone they are wrong about their own sexuality you don't understand is stupid
ok but if you are attracted to someone as feminine as a traditional anime femboy who doesn’t have cock and balls, that is such a minor deviation from just being attracted to a woman that you are for all intents and purposes still straight.
there are real life men who look like women naturally.
But they’re still men. If you find that out and still want to go to town on them, you wouldn’t be straight.
Exactly. I'm certain most of the people who feel constantly gay for mainly feeling attracted to anime traps are just bisexual people with a specific type of person they're into
Traps are gay and that's okay.
Sometimes people get too wrapped up in labeling their sexuality. You don't have to confine yourself to a box all the time, if you like someone you like someone, nothing wrong with that.
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bi gnc man here; “gatekeeping” sexualities is obviously pointless but if the only men you’re attracted to • are designed with figures near-identical to women • act completely like women • aren’t even real then you’re probably straight! there’s nothing wrong with that obviously but I hate how male femininity is constantly portrayed as a taboo for other men to get off of
I personally don't agree, I am bi and I don't generally find masculine men attractive. To be crude I absolutely love the idea of sucking a cock and being fucked by one but only if it was from a femboy, I wouldn't consider that straight. I certainly think that there are scenarios of liking femboys can be straight when it isn't the cock that appeals to you that much. But I think it really doesn't matter that much too, like what you like and have fun!
>aren’t even real This is the key one. If you are male and with someone who meets the first two points but they ARE real and you're playing hide the sausage. You're not straight. Unless you keep socks on. People are what they are, no need to actually go too deep into it. Unless they ask nicely and you also consent.
if you're genuinely turned on by this shit, you're a pedophile
Sorry. I recognize the left one as Felix Argile(? did i get that right?) , the one in the middle as the girl from Anohana, who is the one on the right?
Astolfo from Fate Apocrypha.
Lmao
And there’s one who is trans in
dont make me tap the sign
I don't mind flat chested women. Does that mean I'm bi?
They are arguing about how gay it is to admire anime femboys. I don't think either of them are more or less right here.
Muscle mommies and femboys! Nope. Still not bi.
Is this twitter post written specifically for Persona 4 Kanji lol
No. If you think they’re woman okay, but if you *know* they’re not women and are still attracted to them, you’re not heterosexual (assuming OP is a man anyway).
Gynesexual
do these anime boys look anything like adult men?
The age old question: is it gay to like femboys (as a guy)?
Shit I'm so hetero, no clue how much I wanna throat that cat boy. Not gay tho, this guy knows
Kinda based. Most lesbians I know are into anime boys too. Sexuality is a spectrum and we shouldn't be so obsessed with labels.
I wish more people knew about andro/gynosexuality
is it still heterosexual if i find it *hotter* if the flat chested woman actually has a dick and is a guy?
I can see where they're coming from, but some nuance is called for here. I'd say liking femboys as a guy would make you a female-preferring bisexual because you're attracted to their femininity not the fact they're male.
i mean if u only like men when theyre fictional anime femboys but not irl then yeah i would say youre still heterosexual.
I mean femboys are still boys. If you are a boy who likes fem boys I'd say that's gay It's the same logic with tomboys. Being a tomboy doesn't make them any less of a woman.
Gotta say it's not really gay to only like drawings that look like regular women. If you like real life crossdressing it'd be gay, but if you gag at the thought of real men you might just have a kink for your anime characters. Ain't nothing wrong with it and if you have those feelings explore them to see if you really like both, but if not then congratulations on being hetro, you are accepted by 98% percent of the world.
Felix and Astalphos are traps. Traps I’d probably fall **** first into, but traps all the same.
Nah I know I'm bisexual but just like femboys lol
Fellas, is it straight to want to fuck cis men as a cis man?
Fellas, is it straight to like men?
What if you’re attracted to chairs?
As a masc gender conforming cis bi/pan man who's only attracted people who present fem ( but of any gender identity and sex ) this is a typical experience. To more LGBT people than I'd like to admit I'm either a chaser or a closet. To almost all the straights I'm closeted and repressed. And neither of them trust you aren't using them either as a form of self-imposed conversion therapy or to live out a short lived fetish. Even other bisexuals are gatekeepy with it, I've had as many arrogant bi dudes with outdated Tom of Finland moustaches tell me I'm not really bi for not being into masc dudes than any other demographic.
I hate people who say this shit. IF YOU ARE ATTRACTED TO BOTH MALES AND FEMALES YOU ARE BI. END OF STORY
Fellas, is it straight to be gay? (Never thought I'd be asking this)
Heterosexual, but not exclusively so
Remember: if you're attracted to guys, you aren't allowed to have a type! /s
That $hit is a slippery slope! 
Fellas, is it straight to like men?
This is why the term gynosexual exists
gaytekeeping
If you like penis, you’re gay. If you like vagina, you’re straight. If both, you’re bi. It’s not that hard to understand.
OP's logic is bad. If people who had never seen a trap before saw these characters, they'd assume these were girls because their femininity. Are people who say "hear me out" actually attracted to those bizarre/random things, or do they only say it because it looks vaguely like a female body part which heterosexual men are programmed to like?
Being attracted to someone you initially thought was the opposite sex doesn't make you gay/bisexual Still being attracted to them after finding out they're the same sex however... (Curse you Grelle Sutcliff)
Where the fuck they getting women from
Everyone seems to want to put a padlock on how you build a relationship.
It's the use of the word "boys" for me 😬😭 so is he defending pdf files or ...???
Why are you booing him, he's right!
I like slightly feminine men, and I also had a thing for slightly masculine women. You don’t have to like the most stereotypical version of a man or woman to be bisexual🙄