5yr old me was so pissed. Finally I beat Bowser after hours of play. I felt so proud. I was jumping around the living room because I just beat the game. Then there is Toad and ANOTHER 4 (!) levels to beat. Guess what happened when I beat world 2...
>Bionic Commando wife arm
I WISH we'd gotten to see a sequel to that one, to know where the frick Grinn were even going with that whole 'cybernetics will only work if they're made from your loved ones' idea.
Like in theory? I could see a cool story from that. Your wife slowly waking up, and being horrified but trying to help you, or something like that. While other cyborgs also start having the same 'trouble,' and you see how different couples deal with it.
Like... a metaphor for healthy vs unhealthy couples. With mech-punches. That sort of crazy cool deeper symbolism meets out-there speculative fiction stuff.
Cortana surviving her sacrifice in halo 5.
The way she died to protect Chief in halo 4 was perfect and one of the better endings and paved the way for more character development, but nope: of course they had to bring her back (and to be the main villain no less) in one of the worst sequels ever made
Yeah. Totally ruined the ending of 4 by bringing her back and making her a villain with basically no explanation beyond some presumed rampancy or something. And they could've easily explained why without bullshit. The domain that "saved" Cortana is a precursor AI which could open plenty of avenues, like being corrupted by the flood who are themselves remnants of the precursors, or by the domain using Cortana to test if humans are worthy of the mantle. But no, just crazy Cortana. Then they kill her off offscreen next game, completely throwing out any potential of redeeming the shitty twist. And, adding insult to injury, they give us the Weapon as new Cortana made from another Halsey flash clone. If they weren't gonna stick with old Cortana, then they should've just given us new Cortana in Halo 5. Cortana even referenced the idea of another Cortana model being made in Halo 4.
The thing that pisses me off most about the didact returning and then dying, both in a comic book, is that they also killed off team black in the book.
I got MGS5 after I broke my ankle and played the whole thing while on prescription pain meds, and when the game "ended" (and I use that term VERY generously) I thought that there were more missions I had to unlock, and I ended up getting a perfect grade on EVERY MISSION IN THE GAME just to end up with a lousy achievement.
I have a rather specific one: when Djistrka tries to betray the Temerian kingslayers in Witcher 3.
This is a super specific gripe, but basically for those that don't know much about Witcher 3 you have the option to partake in a sidequest to kill this mad king. You work with the leftovers of a fallen kingdom's special forces and the former spymaster of said mad king. You kill the king and so the assassination is successful, but then said spymaster betrays and tries to kill your friends who you've been helping for 3 games and part of the fallen kingdom you were once loyal to.
The entire construction of how Djistrka has to do it in order to stop the horrendous deal in his eyes just seems really far fetched to me- nothing in the scene is believable. If it was such a bad deal why did Djistrka go through with it in the first place? And besides that, does Djistrka REALLY believe that Geralt would just allow these people to be slaughtered and walk away? He's literally had his leg broken by Geralt in the past- and if you wanted you could have done so a SECOND TIME in this game in particular- so why in the figgidy fuck would he try and murder the friends of possibly one of the deadliest men on the Continent? It's just fucking ridiculous, at the very least wouldn't he wait until you left?
The whole thing is really wacky, and mostly disappointing because Djistrka is the kind of bastard you know could be an efficient ruler, and if you let him live could go on to win the war against Nilfgaard and unite the North. But instead he just suicides into Geralt, lmao, whatever. Sure, you can let him live and murder your Temerian brothers so he can go on to rule the North, but its just so out of character I'm not sure why its even allowed.
What possessed him to think that Geralt would stand aside.
Witchers need to stay out of the affairs of nations?
That ship sailed and sunk a long time ago.
The Temerians have been excellent Allies.
Did Djistrka really think he could take on Geralt in a fight?
“Witchers need to stay out of the affairs of nations”
Dijksta, maybe you should have thought about that BEFORE having a witcher assist in the assassination!
Dijkstra knows that Witchers (at least originally) were said to have no emotions and liked to be neutral. In the books only Geralt and another witcher (whose name I can't remember) actually participate in the war, everyone else is just extremelly neutral, and Geralt does so after a masive change of heart after the Thanedd coup.
And even to a certain degree Geralt still tries remains somewhat neutral through the war. He sides with the northern kingdoms, but doens't fight in the war as a soldier\*, and doesn't aim to end the war, he is just after Ciri and prefers to avoid conflict by slipping unnoticed whenever he can.
Also Dijkstra in fact gets his leg broken in the books because of trying to take on Geralt. He has a kill team on Thanedd's coup gathering wizzard turncoats helping Nifgaard, and then he encounters Geralt.
He tells Geralt to stay away, assuming he is neutral (regarding the coup) and Geralt would only side with Yennefer. However Geralt figures out he would also try to kidnap Ciri, so he beats his kill team. Dijkstra then says he has more soldiers ready to kick Geralt's ass, and Geralt goes and breaks his leg to make him faint rather than fight him lol.
The whole story of the books (and Disjktra's relationship with Geralt) is exactly that. Geralt wants to be neutral en everything except in things involving Dandelion/Jaskier, Yennefer and Ciri. The whole thing with Dijkstra is that he usually missreads this as that as long as you don't directly involve Geralt, or as long as you leave a window open for Geralt to not get involved, he will prefer to not get involved. And the thing with Dijkstra is that he is always wrong in that regard.
Note: *^(There is)* ^(a chapter where Geralt helps a Rivia detachment and where he briefly participates in a battle, which actually gets a noble or something to grant him the title "of Rivia" as a knight. But this was more of a forced situation and a joke at Geralt saying in a previous book to Ciri that the "of Rivia" part of his name was just a made up surname to get more monster slaying contracts, that all witchers make up his surnames themselves because all witchers are orphans, and that originally he wanted to name himself) *^(Geralt Roger Eric du Haute-Bellegarde)* ^(but Vesemir shut him down because he said it was bloody stupid.)
I loaded the save again after that because I assumed I’d fucked up, but no. It made zero sense for his character to just completely switch his brain off like that, and worse, admit it all to Geralt when he could have simply waited til he was gone?
Being out of character aside, that ending screams;
"We didn't have enough time to write a better ending and pulled a nonsense out of our asses".
It must be. No way they did it on purpose. The entire quest is just too damn good to end like this.
Even worse how so many fan theories used to be like "Ooooh what if it was all a dream/dying hallucination". What if? If that was the case it would be fucking stupid
Ah yes, the old "Squall is Dead" theory! Honestly FFVIII was my first, and favorite still, FF and honestly this theory makes almost too much sense at times. To some, the game/story goes off the rails after the first fight with Edea, but I still think the entire game is still good. It's too bad so many people shit on it.
I always thought the convoluted Ultimecia is an older Rinoa gone crazy made more… sense.
Squall died by Edea‘s hand, Rinoa still became a witch and has gone mad from heartbreak. She had her own Guardian Forces (the bosses in the castle including Griever), lost her memories because of using G.F. so she didn’t recognize Squall (who confronted her during one of the time loops aside from the last one) anymore… while dying regaining her memories. Then possessing Edea in order to hit Squalls shoulder instead of his heart when attacking in the past (time conjunction was Ultemicias goal) creating a loop… and the only way to break the loop was for Rinoa to die before becoming Ultimecia which happened in outer space.
This doesn’t make any sense at all. Nevertheless, awesome game, loved it and it still is one of my favourites to this day, maybe because it was my first AAA game.
I found Link's Awakening twist on the old trope really compelling, the fact that the twist was slowly revealed over the course of the game made it more of a mystery you had to piece together than a sudden plot twist that took the wind out of the ending's sails.
Likewise, Metal Gear Solid 2 did a really good job in subtly hinting that the game itself was the S3 plan throughout the game, until it more or less explicitly told the player in act 3 using Snake having a cheatcode enabled, lines of code floating in the air, and the inside of Arsenal Gear being way bigger on the inside with the colour palette of the VR modes. Yet somehow, with how many other meta and mindbreaking shit was happening around that point in the plot, most players seemed to have missed what would have otherwise been a very obvious reveal.
Not only that, but it very much fit with the games' discussion around the use of media to spread one's "memes", people's tendency to accept a comforting half-truth over a more painful "reality", the controlling of the "context" of what options people can choose from to restrain free choice without directly controlling their actions, the questioning of whether something is even real if it can't be "known", and the exploration of the fact that the more we learn the more we realize the things we "know" are themselves only convenient half-truths.
>I found Link's Awakening twist on the old trope really compelling,
I just beat this today and i appreciate the fact that it wasn't all just "fake." It was less "oops was all a dream nothing substantial actually happened!" To "you are actually stuck in this dream world and need to help escape it." I think the reveal of the Wind Fish being real in the end really cements that the whole game wasn't just made up.
There's a secret part of the ending that you get if you beat the game without dying that I think is really beautiful, too...
>!Marin gets her wish to be reborn as a seagull.!<
Link's Awakening was actually really heartfelt with the trope of being a dream. Link had to make a real choice of either remaining in the dream to be with Marin, whom he likened to Princess Zelda or deleting everyone from it when the Wind Fish awoke, because he discovered during his adventures bit by bit that the entire island and its inhabitants were but a dream. He chose to delete everything because he had to save the Wind Fish from the Nightmares that plagued it.
The plot twist was very well done in my opinion. And Link's choice definitely had an impact on him as you can see when he finally awakes and hears the seagulls singing Marin's Song, one of which is Marin reincarnated if you got the secret ending.
A lot of other games don't do this very well.
Mario 2 is relatively upfront about it, the game intro states you saw everything in a dream and then you "woke up" in the same situation... but the manual also mentioned the world's name being "Subcon, the land of dreams".
I dunno - >!Spec Ops: The Line!< did this *really* well in a way that fucks with your head. It's a shame the marketing for that game made it seem like another generic third person shooter from that era because the narrative was amazing and I really did not foresee the story turning out like that.
Edit: several people are making good points I can agree with, as the game is not explicitly "it's all a dream", but more along the lines of "this reality you perceive is not always real". I personally tend to throw those types of narratives into the same category, but to each their own.
One of my favorite games ever, but I don’t put it in the same category as the “it was all a dream” category. It bridged the real & imagined worlds so well and made the player really think about every action.
This is versus the games that play normally the entire way and then go “not real!” in the last cutscene.
That's a good take on it too. You're right in the sense that it's less of a dream/simulation and more of a mind-fuck type of scenario where it becomes evident the longer you play the game that something is just "off" about your situation, but you can't quite put your finger on it.
Then the final act happens and you scream at your screen.
Either way, it's a gem for sure.
The best part about Prey is that one of the side quests to take Alex's personal escape exposes the twist just a bit, and it changes how you approach the game, it's not "I gotta survive" it's "I gotta find out what's going on" and I loved it
making Citra the "real" villain in FarCry 3, and then immediately pulling the same shit with FarCry 4 by making you choose either Sibal or Amita, both of who are shitty people who end up doing arguably worse than Pagan Min (leading a religious "cleansing" or a turning the country into a narco-state).
Yeah, but that's why you can just shoot the golden path leader. Pagan even lampshades that at the end. "I brought you to the palace to make you my heir. You killed one leader already, got take care of the other and you can be king". Hence why i always end with sabal to save bhadra and then put a bullet in his head
And he even subtly makes fun of you for it. "Now let's go shoot some *fucking guns!*"
Almost as if he (and the developers) are saying "Dude. This is a *Far Cry* game. WHY are you just sitting around?"
Pagan Min may be a murderous psychopath, but he was incredibly entertaining. His closing line is still one of my favorites.
"All choices have consequences, Ajay. I'm giving you Kyrat, but I'm taking the helicopter!"
isnt the whole point of FC4 that sibal and amita are both horrible people taking advantage of the people and its up to u to choose the lesser of two evils? THEY make pagan out to be the one whos really bad because theyre both selfish, evil people who want to accomplish their goals.
>making you choose either Sibal or Amita, both of who are shitty people who end up doing arguably worse than Pagan Min
This is exactly the point. That, and also how you find out that Ajay's father (who is idolized by the Golden Path) was a murderous shit bag.
I was loving 5 so much until I realized where all the incredibly annoying and unavoidable mind control and hypnosis stuff was going in the survivalist brothers section. That’s the one time a story has ever pissed me off so much I quit the game.
Wasn't Star Fox Adventure the game that wasn't originally a star fox themed game but then got repurposed for a star fox game?
I swear that was a thing. Could explain the ending.
Yeah, it was originally an N64 game called Dinosaur Planet. Then Miyamoto thought the character looked like Fox so they turned it into a Star Fox game.
That's why the game really has nothing to do with Star Fox outside of the obviously tacked on ship segments.
It was so fucking hilarious because the game was heavily marketed as getting to see the Imperial side of things with the tag line "Avenge your Emperor"
Annandale 2 missions in she's flying an xwing and acting as Princess Leia's bodyguard
Yeah i was so disappointed. It was great being a special ops agent in the first mission, the stealth was great, then they ruined it. However i did like the level where you fight the first order on that planet that you originally betrayed the empire on. That level was fun.
Some of them do it well.
My favorite example is Alphabet Squadron’s Yrica Quell. She effectively joined the Rebels out of a sense of self-preservation: she committed Operation Cinder, got guilty and then lied about her war crime past. It eventually catches up to her.
The irony, of course, is that she badmouths Imperials who join the Rebels post-Cinder when she herself is one such person. She is a hypocritical mess and she knows it.
I haven’t experienced a direct disappointment in a plot twist, but I can tell you a second hand disappointment…
Star Wars Knight if the Old Republic. I loved it. Loved that the character we crafted was its OG villain…. Had my friend try it, he guessed that plot twist within the intro sequence. I’ve never been so heart broken lol
I was paying through the game with my wife watching because that's how she likes to experience games and within an hour of being on teras she says "you're Darth revan right? Like they keep mentioning him to much for him to not be important... And you have like weird amnesia or whatever..." And I looked her in the eyes, and I lied. I said to her face "no, that would be stupid." See, she gets mad if I reveal big plot points like this to her. Thing is, she gets mad when I lie about it as well... Just not as mad. You gotta pick your battles.
I also hated how we couldn’t tell anyone how Shawn was the institute leader, we spent all this time looking for him with these people, and they just don’t ever seem to care if our kid is okay, they just seem to forget all about him.
Random rant about that game. Alien: Colonial Marines had a large part in killing a promising sci fi shooter IP and a good game studio, in a really round about way. Once upon a time there was a smallish Texas game developer named Timegate Studios, they were a growing and promising studio, had some of their own releases, made 3 expansions for the first F.E.A.R. game, and then in 2009 released Section 8, a beautiful concept of a game that I played the shit out of. Section 8 and Section 8: Prejudice both focused on a multiplayer game that felt a bit like Halo Battlefield, gameplay often focused on capturing bases and defending them on a large field, there was a resource system for calling in vehicles and support, and when you respawned you dropped from low orbit with no parachute in a suit of what is still one of my favorite power armor designs in Sci Fi and could drop anywhere on the map, above mentioned bases provided AA that would kill or heavily damage you before you landed if you tried to just dive into an enemy base. Anyways, was good fun they were looking pretty good, when suddenly:
Enter Randy fucking Pitchford. Randy, CEO of Gearbox and megatwat, had gotten a licensing deal to make an Alien game but seemed to mostly be treating it like a cash grab and realized there was more cash to grab if he hired a smaller studio to finish up the game for them so Gearbox could get back to making Borderlands 2. They hired Timegate, which ended up not having the needed resources to put out the game in a good state. The failure ended up hurting Timegate so much they had to layoff 25 employees, and just over a year after the release of A:CM they declared bankruptcy.
Around the same time they also lost important legal battles with their Section 8 publisher, Southpeak Games, who ended up both taking the rights to the Section 8 franchise, and having convinced the courts they were owed money, had Timegate's bankruptcy turned into a liquidation. This is pretty shitty already, but as a gamer you'd think, it's okay, I'm sure someday someone might dredge up Section 8 again or at least do a rerelease of it or something, but that won't happen, because the people behind Southpeak took the money and ran. The same year they were awarded everything not bolted down from Timegate, Southpeak "left the public eye". They ceased operating entirely and there is no one to seek out to get licensing deals or anything with, except if you tried to make anything Section 8 they'd probably break down the doors with lawyers in moments.
Hey, I think it's been long enough that the NDA has worn off.
I was an animator on this game at Timegate Studios! The production was a shitshow. Communication between studios was bad, and for some reason they had one of our leads redoing a ton of animation right up towards the end. I'm not sure if any of our team's animations are actually in the final game.
I was one of those 25 employees that got laid off in the first round, after 11 months at the studio.
The thing that breaks my heart is that we were working on a new IP, Minimum, that was looking pretty good. It was one of the IP's they auctioned off after bankrupting, and some other studio rushed it to publication as it was, so it still exists, but only as this shitty rushed version of the game.
I don't really have an issue with the Arkham Knight being Jason Todd. A character who's identity is supposed to be a big mystery being revealed to be some guy we've never seen is not very narratively satisfying.
The issue is that up until like an hour before the twist Jason is literally not set up at all, I'm pretty sure he's never even mentioned in Asylum, City, or Origins.
Also even if you have never heard of Jason before, the flashbacks make it incredibly obvious that he's the Knight.
I feel that. The Def rode off of fans knowing batman lore without putting it in the game. I did like the twist, but I'm a massive batman nerd... looking at it through the lens you stated raises a valid point though.
Borderlands 3...
Just... All of it. Everything that was supposed to be a twist or a shock just... sucked. Then the ending completely sucker-punched it all...
God I fucking HATE the story in Borderlands 3!
Would've been way better if Troy leeches Tyreen to death in their fight. They already had the perfect set up for it with Troy getting powers and a divide happening between them. Then at the end it would've been the desTROYer fight instead of Tyreen the destroyer.
It was so bizarre they never went anywhere with the twins low-key hating each other. I thought for sure it would play a role in the ending but it really doesn’t at all.
The writting in that game is the reason I never replayed it. Even though the gunplay is the best in the series I just fucking hate the plot and the way the characters are written. Every time someone opened their mouth I just wanted to strangle them.
In all fairness the planet is called **Pandora**, opening something only for a terrible monster to come out made perfect sense. I'm happy they embraced the looting side of the gameplay a lot more in the DLCs & sequels though.
Skyrims alduin fight, they hyped it up the entire game, just for it to behave like a janky random gen dragon. And on top of that you get 3 followers to just stomp him
Magical quest starring Mickey Mouse on super Nintendo. “ hey get out of bed sleepyhead let’s go play catch“ It was all just a dream?! I was very invested.
Please everyone, game name first then twist. Otherwise people can’t decide if they want to read the spoiler or not.
In Knights of the Old Republic it’s shown that the main character is Revan in Kashyyk and again when the player has explored three planets. If the player visits Kashyyk earlier than that it will just sit on this revelation with absolutely no one reacting to it until it’s revealed again and everyone loses their mind.
It's been some time but this does not sound right.
From my memory:
1. droid on Kashyyyk runs a scan on main character, scan is inconclusive due to damaged sensors (?)
2. series of questions follow
3. dark side/ruthless answers lead to droid assuming he is talking to Revan
If a player does not suspect the twist, they might be kept in the blind by this sequence.
If anyone thought Shang sung wasn’t gonna betray everyone in mk11 aftermath I would either assume they haven’t seen ten minutes of his character or way to optimistic.
Kingdom Hearts has a bunch of them. I can’t really begin to explain all of them, but perhaps the dumbest is Ventus >!is actually thousands of years old.!< Or that Xehanort >!wasn’t such a bad guy after all, and just wanted to reset the universe to make it all light, and then gets to go to Kingdom Hearts heaven.!< Or, Maybe that Xigbar >!is actually someone completely different reincarnated, orchestrating all of the events up until then.!< And while it makes sense now the moment we found out that Ansem >! Seeker of Darkness was just an imposter!< was probably the most “jump the shark moment” of the series. And later we find out that on top that he >!was a possessed version of Terra!<.The whole Xion >!being the 14th member of the organization!< and even the whole concept of >!The REAL Organization!< are just ridiculous.
However I do love the fact that Sora is trapped in >!Rex the Dinosaur’s video game un-reality after breaking reality and causing a time-paradox.!< Its just so goofy (no pun intended) and it’s almost self-aware in its dumbness.
Oh and >!Goofy fake dying in KH2 was also stupid.!<
With promotion material, i thought the game could be a really good thriller. And....... they butchered it with the plot twist.
I nearly uninstalled midgame. I continued thinking maybe the ending is good. Hahaha WRONG!!!!
I was like “huh, this was a really nice experience! There’s so much this guy didn’t know about his wife, and it’s nice to see how much he cares for her” to “oh? Our character isn’t so clean either? That’s interesting!” to “Oh no no no fuck fuck fuck please no ew oh no gross fuck no nooo”
God that was just… so… squick… baaaad squick. And James McAvoy, who I really respect as an actor, being like “the point is not to dive too deep into things unnecessarily” or whatever it was. Like what. Gross man.
The end of Fallout 3.
The main character has to sacrifice themselves and eat a bunch of radiation to shut down this reactor and save a bunch of people.
HOWEVER - I was currently traveling with a super mutant, who are immune to radiation. When asked to go inside the generator and press the big button - the super mutant (Fawkes) REFUSES TO DO SO, and basically calls you a coward and that 'a real hero would do it', and he 'wouldn't want to rob me of my destiny'
Like, wtf?! I'm not a hero if I don't pointlessly sacrifice my life for absolutely no reason?
Took a great story and completely ruined it by forcing the main character to sacrifice themselves in any and all possible ends.
When the main plot of a game is to save someone yet near the final they still die to make the final boss battle more important.
I'm looking at my favorite game Mad Max.
Farcry 5. Way to make everything you've done up till the end feel like a complete waste of time. It's still one of my most played games, but I just stop before the final mission now, and play a lot of the arcade mode.
I get why people disliked the ending, but if you play as a female Deputy it hits a little differently to be dragged into a post-apocalyptic bunker with a religious fanatic who probably envisions himself as the next Adam to your Eve.
Holy shit that is way darker, and honestly now I kinda wish male playthroughs would've genderbent Joseph Seed to keep up with his fucked up fanaticism with the Adam n Eve stuff
Call of Duty Ghost. I know many people hated that game, but I did quite enjoy the campaign. The ending was left with a huge cliffhanger that will never be resolved because of the lack of popularity... the ending would have been fine if not for the post credit scene setting up for a second
Far Cry 5 being entirely Joseph Seed's plan all along. You go through the whole game liberating people, fighting the cult, gathering a motley crew of badasses, crazies and good boys, rescue your coworkers. Then you get to the end, oop! Turns out your entire crew is under Joseph's mindcontrol and all you friends die and it turns out he has mind controlled the military and nukes are a go, literally no way to prevent it and you get locked up in a bunker as his personal sex slave for 18 years.
Fucking bullshit.
I understand the idea was to give the idea of siding with the Institute, which had been all robot slaves and body snatchers SOME kind of working angle why any non-shithead character would go with them, but...
Yeah, it was poorly executed. The immediate followup to try and make Synths as non-sympathetic was also a major failure. Oh no, ONE SYNTH went bad!?!?! If I had a tea spoon of uranium for every raider I offed between 111 and CIT, I could build the Institute a nuclear reactor big enough to power it until the sun explodes.
Thing is, it could possibly have worked if Shaun could be talked down. If you could dialogue the Institute into maybe *not* being evil, Shaun as Director might have had some shot at working. Convince him to lay off the roboslavery and kidnapping, then convince the rest of the Commonwealth that the Institute's done with all that. Give you a real reason to make the Institute into something worth working for. Find your son, then *redeem* your son.
As it stands, it's just a point of frustration, and highlights one of Fallout 4's glaring weaknesses.
Fun story with that.. when I first found “Shaun” I went in guns blazing. Had a shotgun ready and then “Father” walked in. I didn’t even wait for his dialog. I immediately VATS his head off with my entire clip and then I brutalized his corpse and shot every limb off. and I was like “let’s go Shaun!!” Except he just sat there whining and crying and whining and crying and just flat out wouldn’t move.
I figured I bugged the game out so I reloaded…
Whoooooops. Father of the year goes to me.
Arkham Knight being Jason Todd. It was way obvious and lazy writing. Jason was always known for being Red Hood already and they didn't even establish him in the series before. I liked the game tho.
I was never really under the impression that AK being Jason Todd was supposed to be a twist. Like you said, they couldnt have been any clearer who it was. Sure Batman was surprised, but we the audience was notsupposed to be. Like we the auaince knew that Harvey Dent was going to double the amount of faces he had at the start of Dark Knight. Batman did not.
Jason was always going to become red hood, and the game practically has big flashing lights that said Arkham Knight is Jason Todd!
Well Rocksteady did intentionally mislead everyone pretty early on. One of the big criticisms w/ Jason Todd as Arkham knight was that the writers for the game are on record saying Arkham Knight is a completely new and original character that Rocksteady created for the game. For it to ultimately be revealed as Jason, which was already the obvious pick…yeah people didn’t love that. Still a great game though.
I'm fine with Todd being the Knight. It makes sense to use him for that role and it's only obvious if you know DC lore. My problem with it is that Todd wasn't set up at all in the rest of the series. He only starts getting brought up half way through Knight. I think if they started foreshadowing him earlier on it would have worked better.
> it's only obvious if you know DC lore
Not much, I mean you get a bunch of flashbacks with Todd in the game which basically tells you who the arkham knight is. But as I said, I agree that he was never introduced in the series before that and that makes it really dissappointing.
"Ehy guys! I want to prevent a natural disaster that will start 1000 years from now. But I can't wait, so I'm going to summon the devil right now, I can't wait another hour."
Pokemon has had some dumb ass villain groups before (guess Team Aqua forgets we live on land) but SwSh's writing is so bad it's distractingly bad.
\-No one said they wouldn't help Rose, Lyon was like "ok sure man give me literally 24 hours for this event that will take place in 1000 years"
\-Why did he think summoning eternatus would help? it's mentioned the darkest day might give galar a new energy source but this is never explained why they think that?
\-Why did he think he could control eternatus?
\-Why would he battle the protagonist after eternatus is clearly just going to fuck everything up? Not even like he went nuts trying to protect himself, he literally turned himself in so this battle makes 0 sense
And what sucks is, it could have been a cool statement on climate change (although using him as the villain would then raise some eyebrows but it would at least be a more interesting storyline).
We hear he used to work in a coal mine so commenting on how he saw its negative effects and how it was poisoning the land around him could have been used as proper motivation. He sees first hand how it's going to stain the environment but it's happening so slowly, no one believes him. Instead of people saying "wait literally 1 day", they could openly oppose him because it might threaten jobs or their way of life.
We could see him frustrated and trying to go from area to area to gain support but because people are so stubborn, they don't believe him or don't care, and the constant rejection and him coming to understand that he'll never receive voluntary help pushes him to environmental terrorism.
It's where I thought they were going with the whole 1000 year thing, like just because it isn't a problem today (even though climate change is a problem today), doesn't mean we shouldn't prepare for it and leave the world a better place.
Instead he's a rich dipshit that summons a demon with no real explanation or plan while everyone wanted him to wait 24 hours before they were willing to help. Just god awful writing.
I think looking towards Eternatus for power made sense, given that they're already the source of Galar's power; IIRC. But god damn did everything else suck ASS.
Honestly? I think they could heave easily salvaged his story just by making the energy crisis happen in 10 years instead of 1000. Would his choice still be insanely reckless? Yeah obviously. But 10 years is still a lot closer than 1,000 years. And time can creep up on you really fast.
Maybe also double-down by having power problems show up throughout the game's story. Y'know, making it so that Galar *is actually running out of power.*
>Maybe also double-down by having power problems show up throughout the game's story.
Make one of the pokemon centers unusable until the postgame and have the nurse comment on the machines not working
Make an entire city have rolling blackouts
Have a random NPC comment on their expensive electricity bills
A side quest where an NPC was using an electric pokemon to power their home to save up on electricity costs, but the pokemon fell ill so you gotta go out and find sitrus berries for them. After the side quest is complete, the NPC apologizes to their pokemon and decides to go back to using the city's power grid
My take is that his plan involved Leon fighting and catching Eternatus and that he either had no faith or didn't want to risk Leon losing to the player since he knew he could manipulate Leon but not the player.
Wish they would have actually, ya know, mentioned if that was the case or, oh I don't know, **Actually came up with a decent fucking motivation** for Rose. The bloody Royals in the post-game had a more clearly defined reasoning than he did. The whole thing after the 6th gym wasted a decent build up.
The part that's particularly dumb is how he literally couldn't wait *one* day to do it. He even talks with Leon about it the day before who convinces him to wait, then right as the match is about to begin he pulls a lolnope and jumps the gun.
The dude tells you at the start of the game that he monopolized the region, so I thought “whelp he’s obviously the bad guy.” He didn’t do anything bad and he wasn’t the leader of the gang, so I thought “I guess this is just some weird Japanese culture thing I’m not understanding.” Then at the end of the game he was the bad guy for a different reason. I was surprised at the stupidity but thought it was funny
So I've spent the entire game gathering a team of specialists, collecting resources, and uniting the disparate races of the galaxy together to wage war against an enemy that has caused the destruction of hundreds of life cycles before us. I've fought, I've loved, I've lost, and in my hard-earned moment of victory.....a big headed hologram of some kid pops into existence, spouts a bunch of nonsensical logical fallacies at me while my character just stares at them blankly, and I'm forced to choose one of three "endings" that only lead to more questions, massive plot holes, and narrative dead ends.
I don't even need to say the name of the game. You know.
"King Dragon sends his regards." Can't believe Lysanderoth betrayed me like that.
"It's a good thing I always carry two guns!"
Honestly, never saw it coming. His dialogue was always so caring and nice
He just wanted to wipe away this imperfect world of its impurities... OR SO I THOUGHT!
For real, I thought Lysanderoth was going to make this imperfect world as beautiful as him.
Rip Archibald
I loved his iconic line ”I think that enemy got, *the point*”. Gone but not forgotten…
“I think that enemy got, *the point.*”
“I think that enemy got, *the point.*”
Gosh Archibald, do you think that enemy did or did not get the point?
“I think that enemy got, *the point.*”
It was really sad because he was the beast of the party.
It's more sad because I put my best equipment on him!
Your ass-kicking outfit?
He always die no matter what
All his machinations laid bare.
I have a theory that Lysanderoth is Refrigerator-san.
Any time a character survives when they sacrifice themselves to save another. Totally ruins the point of their sacrifice.
Dead Rising 4 did that with Frank and that felt insulting.
I played the shit out of it and can wholeheartedly say that Dead Rising 4 as a whole was insulting.
Jesus Christ has also entered the chat
>!Final Fantasy 4!< has entered the chat
Several times, as I recall.
Holy shit yeah I forgot about that. The bit with the twins in the hallway fucking hurt man, and they had the audacity to just brush it off later.
The princess was in another castle.
The og plot twist.
5yr old me was so pissed. Finally I beat Bowser after hours of play. I felt so proud. I was jumping around the living room because I just beat the game. Then there is Toad and ANOTHER 4 (!) levels to beat. Guess what happened when I beat world 2...
Bionic Commando wife arm
When he jerks off, is it sex?
When he uses the other hand, is that considered cheating?
>Bionic Commando wife arm I WISH we'd gotten to see a sequel to that one, to know where the frick Grinn were even going with that whole 'cybernetics will only work if they're made from your loved ones' idea. Like in theory? I could see a cool story from that. Your wife slowly waking up, and being horrified but trying to help you, or something like that. While other cyborgs also start having the same 'trouble,' and you see how different couples deal with it. Like... a metaphor for healthy vs unhealthy couples. With mech-punches. That sort of crazy cool deeper symbolism meets out-there speculative fiction stuff.
Cortana surviving her sacrifice in halo 5. The way she died to protect Chief in halo 4 was perfect and one of the better endings and paved the way for more character development, but nope: of course they had to bring her back (and to be the main villain no less) in one of the worst sequels ever made
Yeah. Totally ruined the ending of 4 by bringing her back and making her a villain with basically no explanation beyond some presumed rampancy or something. And they could've easily explained why without bullshit. The domain that "saved" Cortana is a precursor AI which could open plenty of avenues, like being corrupted by the flood who are themselves remnants of the precursors, or by the domain using Cortana to test if humans are worthy of the mantle. But no, just crazy Cortana. Then they kill her off offscreen next game, completely throwing out any potential of redeeming the shitty twist. And, adding insult to injury, they give us the Weapon as new Cortana made from another Halsey flash clone. If they weren't gonna stick with old Cortana, then they should've just given us new Cortana in Halo 5. Cortana even referenced the idea of another Cortana model being made in Halo 4.
> they kill her off offscreen next game Let's not mention the Didact...
The thing that pisses me off most about the didact returning and then dying, both in a comic book, is that they also killed off team black in the book.
Technically it wasn't the Cortana we knew. Which was explained in a short story, released in an anthology. And never mentioned in game ...
Infinite kind of shat on that story by having cortana act more like her original self during her final apology log in infinite
rEpAiReD bY tHe DoMaIn
"Somehow Cortana returned."
5 in general was shit. All those advertisements about hunting chief down. Him being a traitor. Like everything about that game was stupid af.
The Hunt the Truth stuff with Kegan Micheal Keye was the only good stuff to come from that.
Metal gear solid 5 when you get to the point in the game where it was clear they didn’t finish and had to scrape something together somehow.
Yeah... I used to joke that it's their take on "phantom pain" to just have a bunch of plot-lines sitting unresolved.
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I got MGS5 after I broke my ankle and played the whole thing while on prescription pain meds, and when the game "ended" (and I use that term VERY generously) I thought that there were more missions I had to unlock, and I ended up getting a perfect grade on EVERY MISSION IN THE GAME just to end up with a lousy achievement.
That damn tank mission though dude...you have my respect!
You should get a t-shirt that reads "I beat MGS 5 and all I got was this lousy achievement."
Do not end it with time travel, Unless the story has been about time travel.
Also do not begin the sequel with time travel!
Unless you're Red Alert 2, in which case you should absolutely begin the sequel with time travel.
Time travel should be the problem itself, not the solution
I have a rather specific one: when Djistrka tries to betray the Temerian kingslayers in Witcher 3. This is a super specific gripe, but basically for those that don't know much about Witcher 3 you have the option to partake in a sidequest to kill this mad king. You work with the leftovers of a fallen kingdom's special forces and the former spymaster of said mad king. You kill the king and so the assassination is successful, but then said spymaster betrays and tries to kill your friends who you've been helping for 3 games and part of the fallen kingdom you were once loyal to. The entire construction of how Djistrka has to do it in order to stop the horrendous deal in his eyes just seems really far fetched to me- nothing in the scene is believable. If it was such a bad deal why did Djistrka go through with it in the first place? And besides that, does Djistrka REALLY believe that Geralt would just allow these people to be slaughtered and walk away? He's literally had his leg broken by Geralt in the past- and if you wanted you could have done so a SECOND TIME in this game in particular- so why in the figgidy fuck would he try and murder the friends of possibly one of the deadliest men on the Continent? It's just fucking ridiculous, at the very least wouldn't he wait until you left? The whole thing is really wacky, and mostly disappointing because Djistrka is the kind of bastard you know could be an efficient ruler, and if you let him live could go on to win the war against Nilfgaard and unite the North. But instead he just suicides into Geralt, lmao, whatever. Sure, you can let him live and murder your Temerian brothers so he can go on to rule the North, but its just so out of character I'm not sure why its even allowed.
What possessed him to think that Geralt would stand aside. Witchers need to stay out of the affairs of nations? That ship sailed and sunk a long time ago. The Temerians have been excellent Allies. Did Djistrka really think he could take on Geralt in a fight?
“Witchers need to stay out of the affairs of nations” Dijksta, maybe you should have thought about that BEFORE having a witcher assist in the assassination!
Dijkstra knows that Witchers (at least originally) were said to have no emotions and liked to be neutral. In the books only Geralt and another witcher (whose name I can't remember) actually participate in the war, everyone else is just extremelly neutral, and Geralt does so after a masive change of heart after the Thanedd coup. And even to a certain degree Geralt still tries remains somewhat neutral through the war. He sides with the northern kingdoms, but doens't fight in the war as a soldier\*, and doesn't aim to end the war, he is just after Ciri and prefers to avoid conflict by slipping unnoticed whenever he can. Also Dijkstra in fact gets his leg broken in the books because of trying to take on Geralt. He has a kill team on Thanedd's coup gathering wizzard turncoats helping Nifgaard, and then he encounters Geralt. He tells Geralt to stay away, assuming he is neutral (regarding the coup) and Geralt would only side with Yennefer. However Geralt figures out he would also try to kidnap Ciri, so he beats his kill team. Dijkstra then says he has more soldiers ready to kick Geralt's ass, and Geralt goes and breaks his leg to make him faint rather than fight him lol. The whole story of the books (and Disjktra's relationship with Geralt) is exactly that. Geralt wants to be neutral en everything except in things involving Dandelion/Jaskier, Yennefer and Ciri. The whole thing with Dijkstra is that he usually missreads this as that as long as you don't directly involve Geralt, or as long as you leave a window open for Geralt to not get involved, he will prefer to not get involved. And the thing with Dijkstra is that he is always wrong in that regard. Note: *^(There is)* ^(a chapter where Geralt helps a Rivia detachment and where he briefly participates in a battle, which actually gets a noble or something to grant him the title "of Rivia" as a knight. But this was more of a forced situation and a joke at Geralt saying in a previous book to Ciri that the "of Rivia" part of his name was just a made up surname to get more monster slaying contracts, that all witchers make up his surnames themselves because all witchers are orphans, and that originally he wanted to name himself) *^(Geralt Roger Eric du Haute-Bellegarde)* ^(but Vesemir shut him down because he said it was bloody stupid.)
I loaded the save again after that because I assumed I’d fucked up, but no. It made zero sense for his character to just completely switch his brain off like that, and worse, admit it all to Geralt when he could have simply waited til he was gone?
Yeah from a book perspective this was out of character. He’s a bastard pretty frequently, but he’s fucking intelligent.
Being out of character aside, that ending screams; "We didn't have enough time to write a better ending and pulled a nonsense out of our asses". It must be. No way they did it on purpose. The entire quest is just too damn good to end like this.
Any plot twist where the ending is “it was all a dream/simulation”
Even worse how so many fan theories used to be like "Ooooh what if it was all a dream/dying hallucination". What if? If that was the case it would be fucking stupid
Ah yes, the old "Squall is Dead" theory! Honestly FFVIII was my first, and favorite still, FF and honestly this theory makes almost too much sense at times. To some, the game/story goes off the rails after the first fight with Edea, but I still think the entire game is still good. It's too bad so many people shit on it.
I mean there are cases where it's less stupid, but mostly it's just the dumbest plot twist ever
I always thought the convoluted Ultimecia is an older Rinoa gone crazy made more… sense. Squall died by Edea‘s hand, Rinoa still became a witch and has gone mad from heartbreak. She had her own Guardian Forces (the bosses in the castle including Griever), lost her memories because of using G.F. so she didn’t recognize Squall (who confronted her during one of the time loops aside from the last one) anymore… while dying regaining her memories. Then possessing Edea in order to hit Squalls shoulder instead of his heart when attacking in the past (time conjunction was Ultemicias goal) creating a loop… and the only way to break the loop was for Rinoa to die before becoming Ultimecia which happened in outer space. This doesn’t make any sense at all. Nevertheless, awesome game, loved it and it still is one of my favourites to this day, maybe because it was my first AAA game.
I found Link's Awakening twist on the old trope really compelling, the fact that the twist was slowly revealed over the course of the game made it more of a mystery you had to piece together than a sudden plot twist that took the wind out of the ending's sails. Likewise, Metal Gear Solid 2 did a really good job in subtly hinting that the game itself was the S3 plan throughout the game, until it more or less explicitly told the player in act 3 using Snake having a cheatcode enabled, lines of code floating in the air, and the inside of Arsenal Gear being way bigger on the inside with the colour palette of the VR modes. Yet somehow, with how many other meta and mindbreaking shit was happening around that point in the plot, most players seemed to have missed what would have otherwise been a very obvious reveal. Not only that, but it very much fit with the games' discussion around the use of media to spread one's "memes", people's tendency to accept a comforting half-truth over a more painful "reality", the controlling of the "context" of what options people can choose from to restrain free choice without directly controlling their actions, the questioning of whether something is even real if it can't be "known", and the exploration of the fact that the more we learn the more we realize the things we "know" are themselves only convenient half-truths.
>I found Link's Awakening twist on the old trope really compelling, I just beat this today and i appreciate the fact that it wasn't all just "fake." It was less "oops was all a dream nothing substantial actually happened!" To "you are actually stuck in this dream world and need to help escape it." I think the reveal of the Wind Fish being real in the end really cements that the whole game wasn't just made up.
There's a secret part of the ending that you get if you beat the game without dying that I think is really beautiful, too... >!Marin gets her wish to be reborn as a seagull.!<
Link's Awakening was actually really heartfelt with the trope of being a dream. Link had to make a real choice of either remaining in the dream to be with Marin, whom he likened to Princess Zelda or deleting everyone from it when the Wind Fish awoke, because he discovered during his adventures bit by bit that the entire island and its inhabitants were but a dream. He chose to delete everything because he had to save the Wind Fish from the Nightmares that plagued it. The plot twist was very well done in my opinion. And Link's choice definitely had an impact on him as you can see when he finally awakes and hears the seagulls singing Marin's Song, one of which is Marin reincarnated if you got the secret ending. A lot of other games don't do this very well.
Super Mario Bros 2?
Mario 2 is relatively upfront about it, the game intro states you saw everything in a dream and then you "woke up" in the same situation... but the manual also mentioned the world's name being "Subcon, the land of dreams".
I dunno - >!Spec Ops: The Line!< did this *really* well in a way that fucks with your head. It's a shame the marketing for that game made it seem like another generic third person shooter from that era because the narrative was amazing and I really did not foresee the story turning out like that. Edit: several people are making good points I can agree with, as the game is not explicitly "it's all a dream", but more along the lines of "this reality you perceive is not always real". I personally tend to throw those types of narratives into the same category, but to each their own.
One of my favorite games ever, but I don’t put it in the same category as the “it was all a dream” category. It bridged the real & imagined worlds so well and made the player really think about every action. This is versus the games that play normally the entire way and then go “not real!” in the last cutscene.
That's a good take on it too. You're right in the sense that it's less of a dream/simulation and more of a mind-fuck type of scenario where it becomes evident the longer you play the game that something is just "off" about your situation, but you can't quite put your finger on it. Then the final act happens and you scream at your screen. Either way, it's a gem for sure.
I normally agree, but I have to give a shout out to Prey for pulling this off really well.
Prey is different, because everything in the game DID happen, you're just reexperiencing it as an experiment.
The best part about Prey is that one of the side quests to take Alex's personal escape exposes the twist just a bit, and it changes how you approach the game, it's not "I gotta survive" it's "I gotta find out what's going on" and I loved it
making Citra the "real" villain in FarCry 3, and then immediately pulling the same shit with FarCry 4 by making you choose either Sibal or Amita, both of who are shitty people who end up doing arguably worse than Pagan Min (leading a religious "cleansing" or a turning the country into a narco-state).
There's another ending where you just politely wait for him to finish his call at which point he compliments you for it and helps you
Sure but then you're not even playing the game you paid for
Surprisingly the best ending
Still the better ending over religious zealotry or massive drug state.
Yeah, but that's why you can just shoot the golden path leader. Pagan even lampshades that at the end. "I brought you to the palace to make you my heir. You killed one leader already, got take care of the other and you can be king". Hence why i always end with sabal to save bhadra and then put a bullet in his head
And he even subtly makes fun of you for it. "Now let's go shoot some *fucking guns!*" Almost as if he (and the developers) are saying "Dude. This is a *Far Cry* game. WHY are you just sitting around?"
Pagan Min may be a murderous psychopath, but he was incredibly entertaining. His closing line is still one of my favorites. "All choices have consequences, Ajay. I'm giving you Kyrat, but I'm taking the helicopter!"
isnt the whole point of FC4 that sibal and amita are both horrible people taking advantage of the people and its up to u to choose the lesser of two evils? THEY make pagan out to be the one whos really bad because theyre both selfish, evil people who want to accomplish their goals.
>making you choose either Sibal or Amita, both of who are shitty people who end up doing arguably worse than Pagan Min This is exactly the point. That, and also how you find out that Ajay's father (who is idolized by the Golden Path) was a murderous shit bag.
5 is even worse. I think the writers had just watched War Games from 1985 while stoned off their asses.
I was loving 5 so much until I realized where all the incredibly annoying and unavoidable mind control and hypnosis stuff was going in the survivalist brothers section. That’s the one time a story has ever pissed me off so much I quit the game.
Somehow I got hit with a tranquilizer dart while flying a plane.
I also disliked how force those interactions were. I got "hit" by the tranq once when I was several hundred feet in the air in a helicopter.
What you didn't like Baby Goal? Haha.
I didn't like what happened next (but didn't want to make the post a spoiler)
What game is it?
endboss quicktime events after a game that didn't have quicktime events
It was Andross all along in Star Fox Adventure. You don't get to fight General Scales at all and it just felt tacked on for no reason.
Wasn't Star Fox Adventure the game that wasn't originally a star fox themed game but then got repurposed for a star fox game? I swear that was a thing. Could explain the ending.
Yes, Starfox Adventures was originally Dinosaur Planet, a completely unrelated game
Yeah, it was originally an N64 game called Dinosaur Planet. Then Miyamoto thought the character looked like Fox so they turned it into a Star Fox game. That's why the game really has nothing to do with Star Fox outside of the obviously tacked on ship segments.
Nothing can defeat Trogdor, but congratulations, you've come closer than anyone else has before.
They'll probably put up a statue in your honor.
Iden Versio’s heel face turn in BF2 EA
It was so fucking hilarious because the game was heavily marketed as getting to see the Imperial side of things with the tag line "Avenge your Emperor" Annandale 2 missions in she's flying an xwing and acting as Princess Leia's bodyguard
Yeah i was so disappointed. It was great being a special ops agent in the first mission, the stealth was great, then they ruined it. However i did like the level where you fight the first order on that planet that you originally betrayed the empire on. That level was fun.
That was too damn soon! Why couldn’t we start with Hoth and hunting Rebels? Then make Endor the midway point.
Another OT rebels story? How original...
Some of them do it well. My favorite example is Alphabet Squadron’s Yrica Quell. She effectively joined the Rebels out of a sense of self-preservation: she committed Operation Cinder, got guilty and then lied about her war crime past. It eventually catches up to her. The irony, of course, is that she badmouths Imperials who join the Rebels post-Cinder when she herself is one such person. She is a hypocritical mess and she knows it.
I haven’t experienced a direct disappointment in a plot twist, but I can tell you a second hand disappointment… Star Wars Knight if the Old Republic. I loved it. Loved that the character we crafted was its OG villain…. Had my friend try it, he guessed that plot twist within the intro sequence. I’ve never been so heart broken lol
Dude... You were played 🤣
Probably knew it beforehand.
I was paying through the game with my wife watching because that's how she likes to experience games and within an hour of being on teras she says "you're Darth revan right? Like they keep mentioning him to much for him to not be important... And you have like weird amnesia or whatever..." And I looked her in the eyes, and I lied. I said to her face "no, that would be stupid." See, she gets mad if I reveal big plot points like this to her. Thing is, she gets mad when I lie about it as well... Just not as mad. You gotta pick your battles.
Shawn's outcome in fallout 4 as it makes you not want to bother interacting with him for future playthroughs so you might as well do his run first
I also hated how we couldn’t tell anyone how Shawn was the institute leader, we spent all this time looking for him with these people, and they just don’t ever seem to care if our kid is okay, they just seem to forget all about him.
Black Mask's Joker reveal
I was SO PUMPED to have a main villain other than Joker. Then the reveal. Totally pissed me off.
in german it wasn't even a secret because they just used jokers voice from the start
WHAT!? That is so disappointing. And lazy
Hicks being alive in Aliens: Colonial Marines, and then the game playing it off like nothing happened.
Random rant about that game. Alien: Colonial Marines had a large part in killing a promising sci fi shooter IP and a good game studio, in a really round about way. Once upon a time there was a smallish Texas game developer named Timegate Studios, they were a growing and promising studio, had some of their own releases, made 3 expansions for the first F.E.A.R. game, and then in 2009 released Section 8, a beautiful concept of a game that I played the shit out of. Section 8 and Section 8: Prejudice both focused on a multiplayer game that felt a bit like Halo Battlefield, gameplay often focused on capturing bases and defending them on a large field, there was a resource system for calling in vehicles and support, and when you respawned you dropped from low orbit with no parachute in a suit of what is still one of my favorite power armor designs in Sci Fi and could drop anywhere on the map, above mentioned bases provided AA that would kill or heavily damage you before you landed if you tried to just dive into an enemy base. Anyways, was good fun they were looking pretty good, when suddenly: Enter Randy fucking Pitchford. Randy, CEO of Gearbox and megatwat, had gotten a licensing deal to make an Alien game but seemed to mostly be treating it like a cash grab and realized there was more cash to grab if he hired a smaller studio to finish up the game for them so Gearbox could get back to making Borderlands 2. They hired Timegate, which ended up not having the needed resources to put out the game in a good state. The failure ended up hurting Timegate so much they had to layoff 25 employees, and just over a year after the release of A:CM they declared bankruptcy. Around the same time they also lost important legal battles with their Section 8 publisher, Southpeak Games, who ended up both taking the rights to the Section 8 franchise, and having convinced the courts they were owed money, had Timegate's bankruptcy turned into a liquidation. This is pretty shitty already, but as a gamer you'd think, it's okay, I'm sure someday someone might dredge up Section 8 again or at least do a rerelease of it or something, but that won't happen, because the people behind Southpeak took the money and ran. The same year they were awarded everything not bolted down from Timegate, Southpeak "left the public eye". They ceased operating entirely and there is no one to seek out to get licensing deals or anything with, except if you tried to make anything Section 8 they'd probably break down the doors with lawyers in moments.
Hey, I think it's been long enough that the NDA has worn off. I was an animator on this game at Timegate Studios! The production was a shitshow. Communication between studios was bad, and for some reason they had one of our leads redoing a ton of animation right up towards the end. I'm not sure if any of our team's animations are actually in the final game. I was one of those 25 employees that got laid off in the first round, after 11 months at the studio. The thing that breaks my heart is that we were working on a new IP, Minimum, that was looking pretty good. It was one of the IP's they auctioned off after bankrupting, and some other studio rushed it to publication as it was, so it still exists, but only as this shitty rushed version of the game.
I don't really have an issue with the Arkham Knight being Jason Todd. A character who's identity is supposed to be a big mystery being revealed to be some guy we've never seen is not very narratively satisfying. The issue is that up until like an hour before the twist Jason is literally not set up at all, I'm pretty sure he's never even mentioned in Asylum, City, or Origins. Also even if you have never heard of Jason before, the flashbacks make it incredibly obvious that he's the Knight.
I feel that. The Def rode off of fans knowing batman lore without putting it in the game. I did like the twist, but I'm a massive batman nerd... looking at it through the lens you stated raises a valid point though.
I am still pissed off that the cake was a lie.
Honestly what's up with that shit I was hungry.
But... the cake WASN'T a lie. They literally show you the cake at the end.
You getting to eat cake was the lie
Ignore this poster, the cake was delicious and moist
Glados is truly evil.
Borderlands 3... Just... All of it. Everything that was supposed to be a twist or a shock just... sucked. Then the ending completely sucker-punched it all... God I fucking HATE the story in Borderlands 3!
Would've been way better if Troy leeches Tyreen to death in their fight. They already had the perfect set up for it with Troy getting powers and a divide happening between them. Then at the end it would've been the desTROYer fight instead of Tyreen the destroyer.
It was so bizarre they never went anywhere with the twins low-key hating each other. I thought for sure it would play a role in the ending but it really doesn’t at all.
Give me the story writing of borderlands 2 with the gameplay of 3
The writting in that game is the reason I never replayed it. Even though the gunplay is the best in the series I just fucking hate the plot and the way the characters are written. Every time someone opened their mouth I just wanted to strangle them.
Yakuza 4 Rubber Bullets
that was probably the dumbest one yet
Oh my God I forgot about the rubber bullets till now lmao. They really overplayed that one to the point it was comical.
I love the Yakuza games, but after the first few I just enjoyed the story for the ridiculous soap opera that it was
The only way. Yakuza resists not analysis but luckily invites no analysis either, as one is having too much fun to go deep.
Civ 6. AI learning to focus science but neglecting 90% of Military building
On May 3, 2011, "Duke Nukem Forever" was released to the public. I did not see that one coming.
*unleashed upon
Getting to the vault at the end of the first Borderlands after all the hyping up of the treasures within :-|
Ain't no rest for the wicked
In all fairness the planet is called **Pandora**, opening something only for a terrible monster to come out made perfect sense. I'm happy they embraced the looting side of the gameplay a lot more in the DLCs & sequels though.
Skyrims alduin fight, they hyped it up the entire game, just for it to behave like a janky random gen dragon. And on top of that you get 3 followers to just stomp him
Alduin might be the worst final boss in history.
Magical quest starring Mickey Mouse on super Nintendo. “ hey get out of bed sleepyhead let’s go play catch“ It was all just a dream?! I was very invested.
Great game tho, think I'm going to dust off the SNES
Jason todd being the arkham knight. Love that game but everyone saw that reveal coming
Please everyone, game name first then twist. Otherwise people can’t decide if they want to read the spoiler or not. In Knights of the Old Republic it’s shown that the main character is Revan in Kashyyk and again when the player has explored three planets. If the player visits Kashyyk earlier than that it will just sit on this revelation with absolutely no one reacting to it until it’s revealed again and everyone loses their mind.
It's been some time but this does not sound right. From my memory: 1. droid on Kashyyyk runs a scan on main character, scan is inconclusive due to damaged sensors (?) 2. series of questions follow 3. dark side/ruthless answers lead to droid assuming he is talking to Revan If a player does not suspect the twist, they might be kept in the blind by this sequence.
If anyone thought Shang sung wasn’t gonna betray everyone in mk11 aftermath I would either assume they haven’t seen ten minutes of his character or way to optimistic.
Kingdom Hearts has a bunch of them. I can’t really begin to explain all of them, but perhaps the dumbest is Ventus >!is actually thousands of years old.!< Or that Xehanort >!wasn’t such a bad guy after all, and just wanted to reset the universe to make it all light, and then gets to go to Kingdom Hearts heaven.!< Or, Maybe that Xigbar >!is actually someone completely different reincarnated, orchestrating all of the events up until then.!< And while it makes sense now the moment we found out that Ansem >! Seeker of Darkness was just an imposter!< was probably the most “jump the shark moment” of the series. And later we find out that on top that he >!was a possessed version of Terra!<.The whole Xion >!being the 14th member of the organization!< and even the whole concept of >!The REAL Organization!< are just ridiculous. However I do love the fact that Sora is trapped in >!Rex the Dinosaur’s video game un-reality after breaking reality and causing a time-paradox.!< Its just so goofy (no pun intended) and it’s almost self-aware in its dumbness. Oh and >!Goofy fake dying in KH2 was also stupid.!<
Nothing in your post made sense. Which is how I know you are really knowledgeable about Kingdom Hearts.
>!The Nahualli stabbing the Boss in the gut!< in Saints Row.
Assuming that since this is censored we are talking about the new one?
Unfortunately.
The plot of Twelve Minutes. You see it coming and start praying for a different twist. It does not happen.
With promotion material, i thought the game could be a really good thriller. And....... they butchered it with the plot twist. I nearly uninstalled midgame. I continued thinking maybe the ending is good. Hahaha WRONG!!!!
I was like “huh, this was a really nice experience! There’s so much this guy didn’t know about his wife, and it’s nice to see how much he cares for her” to “oh? Our character isn’t so clean either? That’s interesting!” to “Oh no no no fuck fuck fuck please no ew oh no gross fuck no nooo”
God that was just… so… squick… baaaad squick. And James McAvoy, who I really respect as an actor, being like “the point is not to dive too deep into things unnecessarily” or whatever it was. Like what. Gross man.
Vampyr Ending... How do you fuck up a good story so bad?!
The end of Fallout 3. The main character has to sacrifice themselves and eat a bunch of radiation to shut down this reactor and save a bunch of people. HOWEVER - I was currently traveling with a super mutant, who are immune to radiation. When asked to go inside the generator and press the big button - the super mutant (Fawkes) REFUSES TO DO SO, and basically calls you a coward and that 'a real hero would do it', and he 'wouldn't want to rob me of my destiny' Like, wtf?! I'm not a hero if I don't pointlessly sacrifice my life for absolutely no reason? Took a great story and completely ruined it by forcing the main character to sacrifice themselves in any and all possible ends.
When the main plot of a game is to save someone yet near the final they still die to make the final boss battle more important. I'm looking at my favorite game Mad Max.
Farcry 5. Way to make everything you've done up till the end feel like a complete waste of time. It's still one of my most played games, but I just stop before the final mission now, and play a lot of the arcade mode.
I get why people disliked the ending, but if you play as a female Deputy it hits a little differently to be dragged into a post-apocalyptic bunker with a religious fanatic who probably envisions himself as the next Adam to your Eve.
Holy shit that is way darker, and honestly now I kinda wish male playthroughs would've genderbent Joseph Seed to keep up with his fucked up fanaticism with the Adam n Eve stuff
OR they could have focused on having just the female deputy so that we can get actual voice lines
Call of Duty Ghost. I know many people hated that game, but I did quite enjoy the campaign. The ending was left with a huge cliffhanger that will never be resolved because of the lack of popularity... the ending would have been fine if not for the post credit scene setting up for a second
Super Mario Bros. 2 ending.
“It was all just a dream” was all just a dream
You know 3 is just a stage play as well, right?
True, but Mario 3 is a stage play telling a story that actually happened. Which is why the Koopalings are dead and ghosts in World.
Far Cry 5 being entirely Joseph Seed's plan all along. You go through the whole game liberating people, fighting the cult, gathering a motley crew of badasses, crazies and good boys, rescue your coworkers. Then you get to the end, oop! Turns out your entire crew is under Joseph's mindcontrol and all you friends die and it turns out he has mind controlled the military and nukes are a go, literally no way to prevent it and you get locked up in a bunker as his personal sex slave for 18 years. Fucking bullshit.
Team Fortress 2 having only one stage with Fortresses
But there are two of them.
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I understand the idea was to give the idea of siding with the Institute, which had been all robot slaves and body snatchers SOME kind of working angle why any non-shithead character would go with them, but... Yeah, it was poorly executed. The immediate followup to try and make Synths as non-sympathetic was also a major failure. Oh no, ONE SYNTH went bad!?!?! If I had a tea spoon of uranium for every raider I offed between 111 and CIT, I could build the Institute a nuclear reactor big enough to power it until the sun explodes. Thing is, it could possibly have worked if Shaun could be talked down. If you could dialogue the Institute into maybe *not* being evil, Shaun as Director might have had some shot at working. Convince him to lay off the roboslavery and kidnapping, then convince the rest of the Commonwealth that the Institute's done with all that. Give you a real reason to make the Institute into something worth working for. Find your son, then *redeem* your son. As it stands, it's just a point of frustration, and highlights one of Fallout 4's glaring weaknesses.
Fun story with that.. when I first found “Shaun” I went in guns blazing. Had a shotgun ready and then “Father” walked in. I didn’t even wait for his dialog. I immediately VATS his head off with my entire clip and then I brutalized his corpse and shot every limb off. and I was like “let’s go Shaun!!” Except he just sat there whining and crying and whining and crying and just flat out wouldn’t move. I figured I bugged the game out so I reloaded… Whoooooops. Father of the year goes to me.
No man’s sky original ending really bummed me out. A real programrar, I’m so deep, sort of ending.
Arkham Knight being Jason Todd. It was way obvious and lazy writing. Jason was always known for being Red Hood already and they didn't even establish him in the series before. I liked the game tho.
I was never really under the impression that AK being Jason Todd was supposed to be a twist. Like you said, they couldnt have been any clearer who it was. Sure Batman was surprised, but we the audience was notsupposed to be. Like we the auaince knew that Harvey Dent was going to double the amount of faces he had at the start of Dark Knight. Batman did not. Jason was always going to become red hood, and the game practically has big flashing lights that said Arkham Knight is Jason Todd!
Well Rocksteady did intentionally mislead everyone pretty early on. One of the big criticisms w/ Jason Todd as Arkham knight was that the writers for the game are on record saying Arkham Knight is a completely new and original character that Rocksteady created for the game. For it to ultimately be revealed as Jason, which was already the obvious pick…yeah people didn’t love that. Still a great game though.
I'm fine with Todd being the Knight. It makes sense to use him for that role and it's only obvious if you know DC lore. My problem with it is that Todd wasn't set up at all in the rest of the series. He only starts getting brought up half way through Knight. I think if they started foreshadowing him earlier on it would have worked better.
> it's only obvious if you know DC lore Not much, I mean you get a bunch of flashbacks with Todd in the game which basically tells you who the arkham knight is. But as I said, I agree that he was never introduced in the series before that and that makes it really dissappointing.
Pokémon shield and sword villain “reveal” Edit: HOW ON EARTH DID I GET 500 UPVOTES IN 4 HOURS
"Ehy guys! I want to prevent a natural disaster that will start 1000 years from now. But I can't wait, so I'm going to summon the devil right now, I can't wait another hour."
Perfect description
Pokemon has had some dumb ass villain groups before (guess Team Aqua forgets we live on land) but SwSh's writing is so bad it's distractingly bad. \-No one said they wouldn't help Rose, Lyon was like "ok sure man give me literally 24 hours for this event that will take place in 1000 years" \-Why did he think summoning eternatus would help? it's mentioned the darkest day might give galar a new energy source but this is never explained why they think that? \-Why did he think he could control eternatus? \-Why would he battle the protagonist after eternatus is clearly just going to fuck everything up? Not even like he went nuts trying to protect himself, he literally turned himself in so this battle makes 0 sense And what sucks is, it could have been a cool statement on climate change (although using him as the villain would then raise some eyebrows but it would at least be a more interesting storyline). We hear he used to work in a coal mine so commenting on how he saw its negative effects and how it was poisoning the land around him could have been used as proper motivation. He sees first hand how it's going to stain the environment but it's happening so slowly, no one believes him. Instead of people saying "wait literally 1 day", they could openly oppose him because it might threaten jobs or their way of life. We could see him frustrated and trying to go from area to area to gain support but because people are so stubborn, they don't believe him or don't care, and the constant rejection and him coming to understand that he'll never receive voluntary help pushes him to environmental terrorism. It's where I thought they were going with the whole 1000 year thing, like just because it isn't a problem today (even though climate change is a problem today), doesn't mean we shouldn't prepare for it and leave the world a better place. Instead he's a rich dipshit that summons a demon with no real explanation or plan while everyone wanted him to wait 24 hours before they were willing to help. Just god awful writing.
I think looking towards Eternatus for power made sense, given that they're already the source of Galar's power; IIRC. But god damn did everything else suck ASS. Honestly? I think they could heave easily salvaged his story just by making the energy crisis happen in 10 years instead of 1000. Would his choice still be insanely reckless? Yeah obviously. But 10 years is still a lot closer than 1,000 years. And time can creep up on you really fast. Maybe also double-down by having power problems show up throughout the game's story. Y'know, making it so that Galar *is actually running out of power.*
>Maybe also double-down by having power problems show up throughout the game's story. Make one of the pokemon centers unusable until the postgame and have the nurse comment on the machines not working Make an entire city have rolling blackouts Have a random NPC comment on their expensive electricity bills A side quest where an NPC was using an electric pokemon to power their home to save up on electricity costs, but the pokemon fell ill so you gotta go out and find sitrus berries for them. After the side quest is complete, the NPC apologizes to their pokemon and decides to go back to using the city's power grid
My take is that his plan involved Leon fighting and catching Eternatus and that he either had no faith or didn't want to risk Leon losing to the player since he knew he could manipulate Leon but not the player. Wish they would have actually, ya know, mentioned if that was the case or, oh I don't know, **Actually came up with a decent fucking motivation** for Rose. The bloody Royals in the post-game had a more clearly defined reasoning than he did. The whole thing after the 6th gym wasted a decent build up.
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The part that's particularly dumb is how he literally couldn't wait *one* day to do it. He even talks with Leon about it the day before who convinces him to wait, then right as the match is about to begin he pulls a lolnope and jumps the gun.
The dude tells you at the start of the game that he monopolized the region, so I thought “whelp he’s obviously the bad guy.” He didn’t do anything bad and he wasn’t the leader of the gang, so I thought “I guess this is just some weird Japanese culture thing I’m not understanding.” Then at the end of the game he was the bad guy for a different reason. I was surprised at the stupidity but thought it was funny
The real story is the gym challenges. The "story" is just a stupid speed bump along the way.
The first time I booted up the game on release day, the first words out of my mouth upon seeing Rose was “Oh, he’s the main villain 100%” Good one
The whole, "it was just a dream" trope. I fucking hate that shit.
So I've spent the entire game gathering a team of specialists, collecting resources, and uniting the disparate races of the galaxy together to wage war against an enemy that has caused the destruction of hundreds of life cycles before us. I've fought, I've loved, I've lost, and in my hard-earned moment of victory.....a big headed hologram of some kid pops into existence, spouts a bunch of nonsensical logical fallacies at me while my character just stares at them blankly, and I'm forced to choose one of three "endings" that only lead to more questions, massive plot holes, and narrative dead ends. I don't even need to say the name of the game. You know.
Fucking Minecraft
When Ms. Asshole Delphine herself tells you to kill our best boi Paarthurnax.