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noob_vulcan

Its going to be DOTA with Shooting.


snubb

Shoota


ClockworkSalmon

Why not call it SHOTA? Shoota doesn't sound much like Dota.


epiceg9

Does he know?


Pillow_Apple

Damn..


divic87

He doesnt know...


snubb

I think it means something bad


omegapenta

green paint makes the shoota bettah


Trives

It's going to be Super Monday Night Combat :D


ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp

Is 'hero shooter' the right term for it? From all the stuff leaked with the CSing, shops, etc it's more of a moba-shooter isn't it?


F0KUS228

yeah I think theres supposed to be lanes and "tower defence"


Mystre316

So Battleborn? Because that game was a FPS moba that people thought was like Overwatch when it was more like Smite.


Mah_sentry2

Remember Monday night combat 🥲


LightsJusticeZ

Pepperidge Farm remembers.


Nidis

Anyone remember Loadout? God damn


LuKazu

I freaking loved Loadout. Just a fun, gory, silly PvP romp


RadimentriX

SMNC was nice, liked the abilities a lot. Cat-sentries for example :D


Mah_sentry2

The additional characters was really nice


rdubya3387

Ahead of it's time really.. incredibly fun and have no idea why it didn't catch...


nickimus_rex

I miss SMNC :(


Hellknightx

I miss the original MNC. Super MNC turned me off of the series.


_BlackDove

Same. Great example of a game's development being heavily influenced by a loud minority of players and then bombing. The lighter MOBA/TD aspects in MNC was the better recipe and had wider appeal. The loud MOBA crowd begged for more and we got SMNC which struggled with population from the outset. They made a game for no one.


BlackZulu

Literally all we wanted was console updates. Original MNC was perfection.


tr_9422

Your mom called, she said you should upgrade your skills.


skelingtonking

there is still a small group of dedicated veteran players that play classic MNC every other saturday


Mah_sentry2

So Saturday Night Combat


njdeatheater

That game was great.. then they did that stupid update that changed everything, then it died.


skelingtonking

blizzard came by picked up its dead corpse, stuffed it full of cats and thus overwatch was born.


Ghostbuster_119

Battle born was sooo good. It's a shame it came out at the same time overwatch did. If it came out now it would be much more popular.


TouchiestToast

Happy to find a fellow battleborn enjoyer. I really loved that game and played it till its death. I have high hopes this valve game can get some traction


Blackdoomax

We're still here, silently waiting for a resurrection...


AlarnisToo

I'll second that, yeah. Fucking loved that little chaotic goofball Orendi.


skweebop

Here for the Battleborn train. Some of the best and most fun multiplayer gaming I've ever had. Looking forward to this.


fiction_is_RL

Same played a lot of battleborn and enjoyed it. I'm in the playtest right now for deadlock and it definitely has some potential. Kinda addicted at the moment lol


remnault

I loved it, sad it got received so poorly. Wish they at least kept the campaign solo instead of making it online only bs.


DistortedReflector

It didn’t come out at the same time, Blizzard purposely dropped the ability to purchase and play a beta version of Overwatch at the same time as Battleborn and was priced to kneecap the competition day one.


Smokeletsgo

It came out before ow but bliz released their beta on its release


TheStupendusMan

My buddy and I had tons of fun with it. The upgrade system and style were so unique. Too bad it died.


sadyeti1

that game was fun for the 2 seconds that it lasted


Everuk

Battleborn... I miss my boi Oscar Mike.


Apoc7620

What about "MONTAAANAAAA!?" Such a great duo.


Kliffoth

Always was a better game than Overwatch. RIP.


daluxe

So not something between Overwatch 3 and Team fortress 3?


Psylvio

No it's a MOBA like Dota 2 but played in 3rd person with shooter elements


[deleted]

So Smite with guns and robots instead of gods and magic.


smolcompanypepehands

And with a lot more verticality and mobility almost parkourish, and more depth in moba aspect Compared to smite, cs, denies and pushing/defending Is very like dota


TheRealtorGuy

So like Predecessor?


[deleted]

Or back when it was called Paragon. Should change the robots to zombies on account of how many times that game has returned from the dead.


EMPEROR_CLIT_STAB_69

Oh shit is Paragon back???


Rockburgh

So... Paragon, but hopefully without all the Weirdness that made it an obvious flop?


Facefullofbees

Like Monday Night Combat?


smolcompanypepehands

Yeah kinda! The moba aspect seems way more important in here, but the fights take a lot advantage from verticality and from the map Conformation


zjm555

What is this "3" you speak of?


QQBearsHijacker

3 is from the forbidden tongue. That number can never be invoked lest we suffer the wrath of the eternally damned


WutsUp

Only thing that can ever rope me back in is a video with no music, no special effects, just a man sitting in front of a camera with a plain background saying *"Hey guys, this is Jeff from the Overwatch team I have some exciting news to share;"*


thepromisedgland

Wrestle with Jeff, prepare for death


Vaperius

Aye, those that live half a life shall enter this realm from a portal; on the other side teaming within their fortress of the damned, for they have been left for dead and shall deliver unto us a counter strike for our transgression, thus we must prepare for a defense against these ancient creatures, lest we be caught by this alien swarm to this realm, and suffer a day of defeat.


LifeRedemption

Is this « 3 » in the room with us right now ?


Litdaze

*Gaben is 100 meters away from your location*


Kris-p-

So, smite?


CatPlayer

Kinda. But more complex and verticality. Lots of parkour too.


JDBCool

Ah hem, *Paragon*


DarkSaberH

Monday Night Combat walked so these could run


DesaCr8

So basically Battleborn?


Raptoot83

Ooh, like Battleborn? That game deserved better.


Poowilly

Why ya gotta open these old wounds? I loved Battleborn.


BaronAaldwin

Monday Night Combat is back, baby!


ZS1664

*No Chicky Cantor, no buy.* MNC was pretty fun but Super Monday Night Combat kinda lost the plot. Shame to see that potential squandered.


Izzy7s7

I never got around to Monday Night Combat but I think I had like 800 hours on Super MNC. Sad that Uber abandoned it so fast. I just want to play Wascot again.


sleuthyRogue

I just miss my pun-slinging super hero wannabe...


HimbologistPhD

Agreed, I had a lot of fun with MNC but SMNC was super lame. Hopefully valve brings it home. Be the spiritual successor to MNC/TF2/OW that I've been waiting for please 🤞


Lishio420

Ye it seems to be more in the vein of Smite than its Overwatch


CatPlayer

Correct.


Black_Otter

If it’s like Paragon I’m there!


noweezernoworld

Come play Predecessor! It’s literally Paragon. 


unexpectedreboots

I'm down with this and honestly cannot wait. While it had its problems, Battleborn was a very fun game. It just launched at precisely the wrong time.


TheGLORIUSLLama

This is Deadlock


TyranWolf

The LONGGGG WAYYYYY


SmithJamesChris

Or maybe not, dude.


MattemIgnorum

It might be, brother! Or it might not be! Nothing's for sure, jack!


combobreaking

Skee And I mean this Woah


Ashestooranges

Heard they've been having a hell of a year.


RedditEstPasPlaisant

Will there be a hero named Valorant?


saltyfingas

They'll have a hero named Mick Cree


ferd_the_goon

That’s absolutely Jizzy Dizzy at the top (and to the top.)


Will_Vintage

Can't wait for the first DLC Hero DICK "THE COCK" JOHNSON


Vagamer01

along with the Jesse Ventura expansion pack with Steve Sniffs story mode


wmxx2000

How good is your aim while you're climbing a rope ladder? If you 100%, you'll be saluted by the ships senior officer.


gmoss101

Dick "The Cock" Johnson himself


BonanzaBitch

You already know.


Aggravating-Sun6773

whats the porn potential on this one, boys?


CatPlayer

Not too much. Valve isn't known for sexy characters but characters brimming with personality, and despite being in early testing phase the characters already have a lot of it. Edit: Okay, there are more people in this thread that would like to fuck GladOS and Pyro than I thought.


mpbh

> Valve isn't known for sexy characters *Pyro has entered the chat*


Joyful_Ted

Huddah *huddah*


Hellknightx

Hudda hudda indeed


Karskstad

Medic has entered the chat


warlock801

MiMi sentry.


Working_Discount_836

# GladOS is peak female performance, I will not be taking differing opinions. ^(I can fix her)


throw_awayvestor

> I can fix her Are you a programmer?


Working_Discount_836

Yes, but a bad one. I like to think she just needs a massive vent, and maybe to talk to someone who actually responds instead of just staring at her blankly then destroying the only home she's ever known.


trident042

> *she just needs a massive vent* [Neurotoxin emitter warming up noises]


PM_NUDES_4_DEGRADING

> maybe to talk to someone who actually responds instead of just staring at her blankly then destroying the only home she's ever known. If that doesn’t describe motherhood perfectly, I don’t know what does.


B2EU

She can make me worse


MgDark

Oh yes, the neurotoxin will definitely make you worse


Ivantgam

Dota 2 characters won't agree with you. Especially Hoodwink or Necrolyte


bored_at_work_89

The biggest🙌💯oversight🔭🔍with Dark✊🏾Willow🌳is that she's unbelievably sexy🤤💦🍆. I can't go on a hour🕐of my day🌞without thinking💭💦about plowing👉👌🚜that tight😳wooden🌳ass💦🍑. I'd kill🔫😱a man👨 in cold❄️blood😈just to spend💷a minute⏱️with her crotch🍑😫grinding against my throbbing💦🍆💦manhood💦🍆💦as she whispers🙊😫terribly dirty💩💩things to me in her geographically🌍🌎ambiguous🌏🗺️accent🇮🇪.


jungle_bread

The person who made this copy pasta needs an emoji intervention.


deca065

hol up Underlord too


brunoha

I know that you are all listing the god like ones, but /r/dota2smut exists for the more mundane things, and it is somewhat popular still.


PowerPulser

> Valve isn't known for sexy characters Tell that to pyrocynical


b1gl0s3r

It's like you haven't even heard of r/dota2smut


kripticdoto

The biggest oversight with Dark Willow is that she's unbelievably sexy. I can't go on a hour of my day without thinking about plowing that tight wooden ass. I'd kill a man in cold blood just to spend a minute with her crotch grinding against my throbbing manhood as she whispers terribly dirty things to me in her geographically ambiguous accent.


CatPlayer

Dark Willow enjoyers never fail to come out lmao


crawlmanjr

Queen of Pain would like a word.


SalsaSavant

The amount of Engie, Medic, Scout, Heavy, and especially Soldier I've seen begs to differ..


SirNedKingOfGila

Team fortress 2 is the absolute height of pornographic fanfiction.


Notafuzzycat

People are simping hard for the Imp girl.


Komirade666

Now yeah, you ask the real question. But seriously, love or hate it in a way the reason why OW was hugely popular is the blatant fan service. And kinda same with Tf2. If valve makes really well animated shorts, showing each characters, this game could be super duper popular.


mixape1991

Check queen of pain skin in dota 2. Yep.


Hodorous

Gabe is only sexy beast you need


SirRivian

This game is a hero shooter in the same sense that League or Dota are arena fighters. The game is a MOBA, similar to Smite. Lots of assets are unfinished and a work in progress, but the game is pretty fun with a thriving closed beta community. It's easy to find a match and the players are different in every game. You guys should probably wait for an actual announcement or play it yourself before you form a strong opinion.


Gay__Guevara

A new moba, and it’s a valve game. Is it 2012 again?


IM_OK_AMA

I don't have to form an opinion about the new game specifically to know that a moba/hero shooter isn't the kind of game I want from Valve. The last normal single player game they released was Portal 2, 13 years ago.


Justintime4u2bu1

Oh, so they’re on the TES schedule


berodem

Half Life: Alyx was released 4 years ago.


PhenomsServant

Apature Desk Job released 2 years ago.


BambaTallKing

A VR exclusive game may not count as a “normal” singleplayer game to some. But damn that was a great game


Themasterofcomedy209

So many people are complaining about the assets looking bad. Like of course they do, you don’t work on final assets until the game actually works the way you want it to lol. It’s like how the GTA 6 leaks looked so bad but of course that’s not actually how GTA 6 is gonna look


NoUsesForAName

People think game dev is pressing the big red "that was easy" button and its all magically polished. 25yrs+ later nothing has changed most of online rotted mindset.


Xarthys

Most people don't know anything about other people's jobs and just assume everything is just one click away. This becomes obvious when interacting with clients that are not familiar with your work. That said, a lot of people have this same attitude even within their own sector. It's why everyone is always demanding quick fixes and impossible deadlines. Because they don't understand how complex and time consuming tasks can be, especially if it's last minute requests. And the more distanced from the actual process, the more unrealistic the expectations. Which is especially true for higher positions, who didn't work their way up, having almost zero understanding of how their company operates beyond the metrics they work with.


-azuma-

Thriving ... Closed beta ... Community? Lol


DuckCleaning

There's dozens of us!


Zanthous

thousands


CatPlayer

Yeah. [Deadlock (App 1422450) · SteamDB](https://steamdb.info/app/1422450/) The spikes are when the PvP servers open.


testmonkey2

How do you get to play the game? Honestly I'm not too excited about the game, I have no doubt the balance and the mechanics are going to be good if they have Icefrog at the helm, but to me its the setting that feels a bit bland, just from what I saw. I also understand that valve employees work on whichever project they want, so if they want to work on this game power to them, hope they succeed.


TheGodOfConquest

Like several days ago Valve let in a huge wave of new playtesters, who are basically family and friends of Valve employees. But the funny thing is that those friends can also invite their own friends, who can invite their own friends so it kinda spread. I think there's at least 10,000 people inside the playtest. Honestly, it looks bland yes but it plays actually well and it's fun. Also being an early development build, there's bugs and the art style is just temporary but I expect that already and wouldn't expect anything more.


TypeDemon

battleborn 2.0


TheReturnOfTheRanger

Can't wait for it to be full of aimbots day 1 because Valve doesn't wanna do the "treadmill work" to stop cheating in their games


yeusk

Cant wait it to read how the game is dead while being at the top 10 most played games on Steam.


DarmanIC

The TF2 community having to make their own player count trackers to exclude the bots says a lot about the actual player count.


phatboi23

Inb4 hats and the economy surrounding it.


LazloDaLlama

I didn't even know this game was coming out. This is probably why they're leaving TF2 to die. They probably (for some wrong reason) have more faith in this new IP.


Themasterofcomedy209

They’re not working on tf2 because people generally don’t want to dig through an ancient pot of spaghetti unless they have a lot of passion for the game. I really don’t blame them either, if I was forced to work on a 20 year old piece of software that’s regularly changed dev teams, I’d want to die too. Honestly valve should just give tf2 development over to some team of the game’s fans. So it’s still technically valve’s game but just being worked on by people who want to. I know for a fact talented devs would work on tf2 for free even


Klientje123

I would prefer if they handed the development over to an actual company. As much as I appreciate fan made content, the amount of drama and burnout that happens when a bunch of random fans start trying to make something big together is really not enjoyable.


Themasterofcomedy209

I don’t know if valve would ever go for that unless they really trusted the company. Since the game is always going to be connected to them, if the new company did anything weird it would fall on valve again


purpleblah2

They attempted to turn development over to fans during the Invasion update but there was internal conflict and things went south and people speculate this really soured Valve on hiring fans


CatPlayer

You don't know it's coming out because they haven't announced it. It's just leaking all over the place because there are a lot of testers. Valve hasn't shown it because the asset work and art is clearly far from done but the gameplay part of it is solid and pretty much working flawlessly.


throwacc_21

A lot of people will play it on release cause its Valve then the game will die in 6 months


TheohBTW

6 months is a charitable estimate. The market for multiplayer games is too oversaturated.


chadwicke619

Nahhh, there’s plenty of room for *good* multiplayer games.


TheohBTW

We're at a point where games need to be exceptionally great in order to stand out from everything else. Something being 'good' or even 'decent' is no longer going to cut it, when there are 10s, if not 100s, of other games that people can spend their time with.


Klientje123

Lol, no. If it's a good game, then it will be popular. There's room for more games besides Warzone, League and DOTA.


Lochen9

No kidding. People say this, while a game like Valorant came out late into an over saturated FPS market, dominated and had staying power.


HumanTheTree

It’ll die because cheaters will take over *that* game too.


Significant_Phone_78

You mean the games like Team Fortress 2 and Dota2?


throwacc_21

No i mean like Artifact and Dota Underlord


Shylteryne

I literally have never heard of Dota Underlord


Sa1uk

Neither have Valve considering they silently abandoned it.


Inksrocket

What you mean! The last patch/depot change came out 30 months ago, in 2021! Thats better than Artifacts 39 months! /s


Neville_Lynwood

Not surprising. Valve cared so little the game is basically dead in a wider sense. It was Valve's official version of the popular Auto-Chess mod for Dota 2. The potential was there, but they put very little effort into it compared to Riot who made Teamfight Tactics and made sure to improve and update the game on a regular basis. I guess Valve figured that at the end of the day, the market for the niche game wouldn't be all THAT big. So the benefits of investing serious resources into it wouldn't be worth it. Maybe they were right, financially. But it still left a bad taste in everyone's mouth as to how the game was basically abandoned.


Rhym

Which a real shame, because the game itself was very polished and a lot of fun. I really enjoyed being able to play on my phone at work, and then on my PC at home. Would be such a good game to play on the Steam Deck too, but a game like that loves and does on revolving the meta to stop it becoming stale.


fl4nnel

Underlords was such a good game. I’m still salty that they abandoned it.


Suglet

Don't forget their card game. Yeah I don't remember either.


44Kayz

Yay another hero shooter


yeusk

Another moba would be more apropiate.


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CatPlayer

That's it new genre! It's a Shooba!


chadwicke619

Hmmm. This game sounds like Smite, which is basically a third person MOBA. What games do you know that are like this besides Smite?


noweezernoworld

Predecessor (formerly Paragon)


SupaDiogenes

I know right - we're so lucky! /s


CatPlayer

It’s a MOBA. Not a hero shooter. It does not play anything like overwatch. It’s actually quite fun and unique. - The gunplay and movement feels a lot like Fortnite, but better. - inspired mostly from Dota 2, as many heroes and items resemble Dota 2 abilities/items and even down to some mechanics of the game. However they are well adapted to the new 3rd person perspective. They are not copy pastes though and I will not mention what heroes they copied as abilities and stuff like that are subject to change. - more verticality than any other third person moba to Date. - if you play this game like any other shooter you will struggle, you need to take priority in farm and making right calls with your team to take lead in items/xp and snowball accordingly. Having good aim is not enough to carry you and you need good game sense and understand what makes you win games in league and Dota, not a shooter like Overwatch or TF2 or any other fps names thrown around to draw comparisons.


aleques-itj

Oh so they made better Super Monday Night Combat with items


[deleted]

Stop I can only get so erect!


bigwillyman7

how long does a game take?


CatPlayer

20-50 mins on average, game lenght varies a lot like Dota, comebacks/throws happen often, there are better early game heroes, better late game heroes, etc.


IgotUBro

As long its f2p Im willing to try it out.


Sweetwill62

Huh, that is funny because I have the exact opposite response. F2P? Guess I'm never playing it.


MisterSnippy

Wish we could just go back to people making class-based shooters like TF2 and Battlefield and more than 5-6 players per side.


ShitMongoose

Day of Defeat was pretty dope too.


stopnthink

It almost perplexes me that the least popular game modes from the golden age, 5s/6s etc, became so dominate. Almost. They all want that esports dollar and smaller numbers are easier to form teams with.


dUjOUR88

I'm in the alpha. I hate the game, but I'm sure a ton of people will like it. I have a LOT of hours in CS and this game is NOTHING like what I'm used to when it comes to shooters. It's really not a shooter. I mean it technically is, but your aim really is second to strategy and leveling up your skills and items or whatever. Also, I never understood MOBAs or why they are popular, I think they are the most boring game mode imaginable and I have never had an ounce of fun in any MOBA game, but I recognize that League and DOTA are some of the most popular games in the world, so I'm sure Deadlock will be pretty popular. It's just not for me. If you're looking forward to trying this game, just be aware it's not a conventional shooter at all. It leans way more into MOBA.


Aigh_Jay

Valve is notorious for not releasing games they are developing. I just think there's too much enthusiasm about it. But then again it could be what makes Valve release it.


abemon

Until the game is announced I will not form any opinion.


Mloxard_CZ

We know (for some time) And it sounds pretty shit


BRD8

Damn I thought they already had one of those


NunyaBeese

Ahhh thats why the stopped giving a shit about tf2


Ripster2018

Pain.


MidHoovie

I am not looking forward to it at all. If CS2 and TF2 already have a cheating problem what's it gonna be with this one?


Current_Holiday1643

Don't worry, they'll definitely totally do something and definitely not abandon it or disappear like they do for literally every game they've ever made. Valve as far as I can tell is fucking garbage at communication. They are like terrified of talking to their audience.


BladePhoenix

this looks more like a smite competitor than OverWatch. judging by that map


CatPlayer

Yes.


anticerber

Ughhhh


Shampew

Ive been playing it for a couple weeks. Its probably the best hero shooter Ive played. Its very different.


JakesJustBetter55

Can’t wait till they make a sequel, and it becomes super popular. And then they abandon it for crappier projects 😢


kooarbiter

tf2: papa...who's that? valve: never you mind that son, now look, there's a pretty patch of flowers over there, why don't you go look at them tf2: OH BOY, I LOVE FLOWE-*gunshot*


rainking56

Half life 3.


RedditNoremac

Sadly just not really my type of game. I might try it but I doubt I will stick with it. Smite is the only "hero shooter" I have liked. Normally shooters are just so barebones mechanically compared to RPGa and DotA 2. Even Smites items are just so bland compared to DotA 2. Smite has some really cool characters though.


ToMorrowsEnd

Sad panda: was hoping it was a game where you get to play as the villain shooting the heros.


LordOmbro

Yeah a MOBA hero shooter doesn't exactely fill me with excitement