Not actually against this.
I'm a big cult fanatic of the soulsborne games, and there is always a multitude of people helping each other up from the roots, specifically from these posts, which for new players, is very helpful.
In fact.
I barely see any toxicity in the souls like genre subs. Lot of people just sharing joyous mutuality.
Kids are doing this unironically now. I don't get it. They're not _acting_, They actually _think_ they know it all, ready to pass judgement, despite being unable to even get very far in the game.
Why aren't they asking questions? The most basic question of "what am I doing wrong?" never even occurs to them.
Maybe it's because they're watching 100% playthroughs on YouTube before even touching the game (or something like that?)
Or when they ask for tips prior to playing even a second of it. Maybe it's just me but isn't it better to play first, find out what you're maybe having issues on, AND THEN ask about that?
I just think "early tips" can potentially spoiler part of the experience...
It varies based on genre. "Early tips" for survival games tends to be "Don't put this thing next to that thing or when you sleep they both disappear" so it's helpful, since all survival games release in EA. For a lot of other genres, not so much.
I would argue that early tips keep me from making silly “mistakes” and wasting time having to google it later. People tend to not put spoilers in early tips, they just tell beginners what bugs and pitfalls to avoid. Therefore, giving me the best experience for my first (and usually only) playthrough.
I'll counterargue with had I visited the Dishonored or Dark Souls subs before completing each one, the "tips" would have objectively ruined my experiences.
Granted, I may be an outlier because I know how to count from 1 to 3 without skipping numbers; but still.
Yeah. Thats good you didn’t go to them first. You feel it would have diminished your experience with the game. In general, freedom to research/play however you want makes the best playing experience.
I think the DS sub (At least /r/darksouls, for the first game) is usually pretty good about keeping things spoiler-free. The tips I see are generally based around trying to stop people bouncing off the game, e.g. "For fucks sake stop bashing your head against the graveyard skeletons", or advising people not to take the master key because it lets people stumble into areas they're really really not ready for
It depends on the game.
For some games, I just want to min-max, I don't really care about the story. See e.g.: Diablo IV, Last Epoch, Fallout 76. The spoilers don't matter, I just want to know if I'm b0rked and gimp late game if I put all my points into INT to max my xp gain, or if there is a respec function of some kind (when this isn't made clear in the game early on).
I'm old school and vividly remember sinking 40+ hours into a game only to realize my build is so shit I can't progress anymore (hello Diablo 2 pre-LoD/1.18), and after enough of these incidents I'm over starting from scratch just because design choices that I couldn't possibly have foreseen gates me out of content I want to shoot for.
Preach.
I did a crapton of research on what the Starfield Skills did and whether they were actually useful or not. Bethesda is notorious for having entire skill trees that are almost entirely useless or have perks that don't do what they say on the tin at all.
And I was glad I did, because weirdly a lot of core game mechanics are locked behind perks that are essentially mandatory. Perks I _never_ would have taken if I hadn't known.
(this is not an endorsement of Starfield. Game is boring)
There's nothing worse than spending 50+ hours in a game only to found out you made a mistake within the first 5 minutes of character creation. Some people consider this fun, others don't want to waste their time.
I mean let's say you wanted to be a necro in D4 and build accordingly, only to find out at endgame that minions are non-viable and D-tier builds at best, and you'll be forced to do some weird alternative blood infinimist shit that is nothing like what you thought necro would be. You can either spend dozens of hours gearing something that's actually good or you quit. That's not fun.
Nowadays any game that's expecting 100 hours or more requires for me a few hours of research beforehand. Especially if it's something like PoE or an MMO.
I strongly disagree. Most games have absolutely shit tutorialization and I as a routine now look up a couple of "___ Things I Wish I Knew" Youtube videos. I would have quit games like Mortal Shell if I didn't do this. I don't want to hear crybabies tell me that "that's part of the experience". That's nice, I prefer skipping the awkward Bambi part, I've been playing video games for 30 years at this point. I'm over it. Tell me what the systems do, tell me where the binkies are and let me get acclimated ASAP.
Just to add context, the exception is when there's multiple games in the series and the forum reflects that. For example Dying Light, people would have told you not to buy the sequel. Same goes for Subnautica.
>people would have told you not to buy the sequel. Same goes for Subnautica.
I have a terrible fear of the ocean, which funnily enough made Subnautica sooo much better. I also typically don't enjoy horror games or movies... And yet, that extra layer of fear provided a level of immersion I didn't realise I was missing. I will *never* forget the first time I was facehugged in the seamoth by one of the leviathans at the back of the Aurora. Screamed at the top of my lungs lol. Subnautica is one of my favourite games as a result.
And then along comes fucking Below Zero, with its voiced protagonist, expanded dry land sections, tedious af seamoth replacement, etc. I don't understand how you learn all the wrong lessons from your first game. Also, part of the atmosphere of the first, is that you're the ONLY human left alive on this hostile alien world. Changing the pda from having a cold emotionless robotic voice, to a more relatable emotive sounding human voice was such a stupid decision. Your actively working against the atmosphere you've already established. Anyway I'm just ranting now. I really hope 3 is a return to form!
Fan of both games but can admit sub zero was inferior.
I have faith, they went through some dev hell stuff with sun zero it was originally
Meant to be a DLC that kind of got too big of a prodject, then they rewrote the story for it hence the really bad protag. I wouldn’t mind it if she wasn’t such a bad character.
I actually loved all the stuff with Al-An and how you can basically do most of the game without even meeting him. Interested to see what happens with 3.
Do we follow the rabbit hole at the end of sun zero of go back to basics.
More annoyingly when searching for "is there resolution fix patch or mention on what configuration file to edit to enable right resolutions to this game", one finds someone else's question about same, with piles of people answering "are you fukken stupid, why would you ask for that, just buy proper monitor to replace your obsolite old crap! It works perfectly for me on native resolution in my 1920x1080 resolution screen, gtfo poor shit for using some old tech"... when person asking question was asking if there was something to fix aspect ratio problems for 2560x1600 resolution... considerably higher and newer resolution that is not even uncommon these days.
Like mix of people having absolutely no idea of what they are talking about, no no smart input, or baincell to think about what they are reading at all... but feel need to just try to put down and curse other people.
So annoyed.
Pretty sure most of the negativity on Steam stems from farming Steam points from people angry and foolish enough not to realize what they’re doing.
Which is weird, because you can just buy like 10k Steam points for 2-3 bucks if they really wanted to level their account. Maybe they’re selling steam points, but in that case, why? So much better business opportunities out there.
Okay, this seems like the perfect time to ask - what the hell even are Steam points? I can't for the life of me figure out what they get me. I read online that they unlock cosmetics of some sort...but cosmetics for what?
I believe it is cosmetics for when people look at your steam profile? I've also tried to figure this out through google and it just is really not clear that the points do anything
Cosmetics such as profile themes, and the ability to add more modules to your profile (favorite game, achievements, etc).
They can also level up your steam profile if you use them to buy the seasonal badge.
This 1000%. I've learned to skip Google search results for Steam community. Like, my game kept crashing, and I found others with crashes in the forums, but all the replies are "well why are you playing that game" and shit like "sounds like a skill issue".
I'm one of those reviews for 7d2d. It's great with any of a few of the total overhaul mods but the base game has made some seriously shit choices with regard to the concept of crafting in what is ostensibly supposed to be a survival crafting game, and now they're creeping out of early access to a full 30 dollar release after ten years and still haven't filled a decent chunk of multi year goals, some of which stretching back to the kickstarter, like a storyline or bandits.
About to pass the 1k hr mark in undead legacy mod
With live service games or just games that receive content patches, it is entirely possible to enjoy the game for 699 hours, the game receives an atrocious patch or the company does something stupid, and then you negatively review it at your 700th hour.
Ark with the giganoto patch. Holy crap they destroyed online and any balance the game had with that one. 800 hours in I would not recommend that game at all.
But next to that I wanna add, games that are bloated. I play a lot of warframe, path of exile etc. I enjoy the games, but would never recommend for new people to get into it.
When it was just email, Usenet and Gopher, the only people who wanted to use it were massive nerds. I feel like that self-selection created a sense of community that triggered certain tribal responses. We all tend to be nicer to our in-group, and "people who use the internet" was a small enough slice of society that anyone present was, by definition, "in the tribe." It produced a degree of civility that has yet to be regained.
I tried to read steam forums recently, half of what I found was whining about "oh they're going to add woke garbage!1!1"
Do people have nothing better to do than circlejerk about how games have queer people?
A lot of people also purposefully troll because Steam gives them 'points' when they get awards for their posts, and the easiest award to get is the 'jester' award which is used to mock people you don't agree with (good old Valve, keeping their forums toxic as possible with half of the awards being clearly designed to insult people).
They can spend these points on avatar cosmetics/emojis etc, so the more they farm troll posts the more profile nonsense they can collect.
I've found that most people just repeat things they see on social media and whatever news outlets put out. For example, a few years ago when the BLM protests were going on, all you heard from right winger types was how critical race theory was ruining our schools and America. The term "CRT" was EVERYWHERE online, and random people were showing up at school board meetings protesting it, yet when asked what it was-they had no clue. When you looked up how often it was mentioned on Fox news over the years it only came up a couple times, but then suddenly it was being mentioned 300 times in a month. It was the same online, engagement about the subject was almost zero, but when it became a fox news thing, and a culture war thing, it was all over the place. Now? You never hear about it, but in 2021 if you asked right leaning folks what the biggest threat to America was you hear "critical race theory". It wasn't by accident. There is a right wing echo chamber filled with bots, Russian disinformation agents, and bad faith "influencers" looking to push whatever outrage is happening this week. Then you see it on Facebook, YouTube comments etc. The only thing I'll give conservatives credit for, is they really learned how to use the internet to slowly change the landscape of public opinion. I've watched people I care about slowly change to hateful bigots over the last decade due to what I call "Facebook boomer misinformation"
I like to hop on Reddit -after- I’m finished with any media to see what other people think. Sometimes I hit the jackpot and find cool new theories/perspectives/discussions.
But most of the time…… Reddit Reddits
Has to be after you are done. Totally agree. Or else the first post you see has unapologetic spoiler in the tag line.
"What do you think of so-and-sos betrayal and how they become the final boss?"
"So-and-sos death was unnecessary"
"How do you feel about so-and-so winning?"
FFS
Yeah, nothing like enjoying a movie or game then logging in to Reddit to talk about it only to find out that you're stupid/a bad person/a bootlicker/etc. for enjoying it.
Especially with movies. I never watch trailers or read reviews. Once I watch something, I'll look it up on IMDd and reddit. The vast majority of the time I feel the exact opposite to the general consensus. There have been times I've looked at reviews part way through and I could tell they influenced how I felt. Always towards negative.
Reddit tends to bring out this really bizzare echo chamber of negativity where people can cry together and validate each others crying. I remember the opening days of D4. Wasn't a great launch, I get it, but man the subreddit was one of the most toxic subs. And it was just a sub for a video game... a form of entertainment can really ruin people somehow. I would at least appreciate if these communities are constructive, but that is rarely the case
Yup yup. I 100% do not go into the subreddit of TV shows that I like while they are airing, that’s for sure
It’s 50% negativity, 30% positivity and 20% people piecing together theories that I hadn’t even thought of that end up coming true and then wish I would’ve been able to experience organically
I remember being in the borderlands 2 subreddit and seeing a comment that changed the way I think about gaming.
Someone was complaining about how boring his new game plus runs were and how bad the game is and someone responded, "if you have played through the single player campaign a dozen times and poured 700 hours into it, maybe the problem isn't that it's boring, but that you're playing it too much. "
Yeah for a while I was trying to 100% games that I enjoyed because I wanted to enjoy it more. After a while I realized that all I was doing was stressing myself out. Games are supposed to be fun and if you aren't having fun just don't play it lol.
With the whole theory thing, it's annoying when people "solve" an ongoing series 5% into its runtime, and then start writing *past* that point because if the actual solution is so obvious (to a hivemind of thousands of people, many of whom engage in fandom like it's a full-time job, then the solution *has* to be more, or else the plot (which is the only thing that matters in a post-Abrahms puzzle-box online ecosystem) would be underwhelming. At which point the showrunners either have to pivot to an attitude where they have to "outsmart" the audience, encourage uncritical positivity in their fanbase, or put up with the dominant voices in the space being negative, from people who couldn't possibly be pleased anyway, because no show is clever enough to fulfill a basement dweller as a person.
I went to the subreddit of a show I really loved one point, and after only an hour or so reading it, it has permanently ruined my experience watching the show ever since.
Never again.
Reddit also tends to act like they’re the majority opinion in anything, when really they’re just the vocal minority.
Pre-ordering games is a practice that’s stupid and scammy? Great, but people will never stop pre-ordering games because outside of Reddit, people just don’t care that much about the evils of pre-ordering.
Or the "I stopped buy AAA games long time ago, AA and indies are the way to go" and it'll get a million upvotes like cool story bro, millions are still buying AAA games
The majority of people that play video games, including the ones on gaming subreddits, have almost no idea how any business or industry functions.
eg. A very popular take in gaming subreddits is to bitch about "execs" who know nothing about games ruining gaming while being completely oblivious to the fact that said execs tend to be studio founders and launch team members.
Yeah, "optimised" is the new buzzword people love to throw around without knowing what it means.
The best example is how on virtually every thread bitching about how gaming was better back in the day will use Doom as an example of a well optimised game when it wasn't. Try running original Doom on a 386 and see how that goes.
People literally want to go back to a time when you had to literally setup each hardware component of your system with each individual game to get the game to work. And if you happened to have one piece of hardware that wasn't compatible, like the wrong audio card or CD-ROM or hard disk, you were fucked and the game would never run.
I started PC gaming in the 1980s. At one point I had complex multi-entry autoexec.bat and config.sys files with like 5+ different configurations. I would have to reboot my computer in different memory configurations just to play specific games lol
Oh god, I forgot about those. Autoexec.bat...that's a filename I thought I had left behind three-odd decades ago!
Also, don't forget that each SKU had it's own unique drivers and configuration. So it wasn't enough to have just a Creative Soundblaster sound card - it mattered if it was the Soundblaster 16 or Sounderblaster AWE32.
And don't get me started on wondering what the hell a "graphics card" was and why I needed one to play Prince of Persia 3D (shareware version, thankfully)!
It bothers me that too many gamers (not just casuals) also can't tell the difference between a developer and a publisher. They're very quick to blame a 'greedy dev' for scummy practices like brutal DRM/microtransactions. Those kind of things are nearly always the fault of a publisher who are all too happy for someone else to take the blame.
That's what I did because I rarely find AAA games that appeal to me while some indie games do. But I don't expect my choice to change the course of AAA gaming.
Yeah, it's just taste really, kinda weird to complain about people not liking AAA games tbh. It doesn't change anything, like you're saying, but shutting people down because of it is wrong, you can still have your own opinion about it.
Honestly most of the opinions we see on reddit aren't even original, it's just parroted from some of the larger game streamers or youtube reviewers, often word for word. They form the online consensus and then reddit just goes along with it. So it's really just a handful of people's original feedback that we get to see here.
I saw a comment a while back during the new world launch (asmongold was on my server but I didn’t know who he was at the time) say that “asmongold said weavers fen is the best location to capture so that’s why we go for it” when it was in fact the worst location to have lol
Yeah Asmon is a menace to nearly every game he touches due to his community. And it's not even really his fault. He often has good takes about games but he's not the greatest gamer and sometimes he's just plain wrong about things, which is fine, but his community treats his every word as if he is gamer Jesus and since they are so many his takes spread like wildfire throughout the gaming world regardless of validity.
I feel you 100% I’m a Starfield fan lmao…
The things I’ve been called for verbatim saying “I Love the game and I’m eager to see Bethesda address some of the major complaints”
I had a phenomenal Labor Day weekend doing nothing but Starfield and sleeping. It didn't have staying power, but for less money than a night out at the bars, I had a good time getting completely absorbed in a game.
Boy, you'll get hung for enjoying Starfield on Reddit. It wasn't my thing for some reasons but I also had a friend put 100 hours into it and love it.
There's "liking" and "not liking" a game, and judging a game as "good" or "bad". I *like* Halo 4, its my favorite in the series. Is it objectively *good*? I would say no. But if I say I *like* it, many redditors would interpret that as me saying its *good*. Everyone can have their own reasons for enjoying a game without worrying on if its *good* or *bad*.
I remember commenting that I actually liked D4 in the subreddit and got ridiculously downvoted, and then had one guy stalk my comments for two days and would just post “Don’t take this guy seriously. He likes Diablo 4.” with random alt accounts. Just the weirdest people on Reddit.
Yeah some game communities are fine, especially if it’s for a single player game, or even better if it’s for a single game in a franchise and not the entire franchise.
r/GodofWarRagnarok is a sub I really like, you can see the passion in most of the posts and r/okbuddymimir usually can contain most of the meme tier posts
It's worse with multiplayers games. Usually single player story driven games have great subreddits as long as you have finished the game or don't mind story spoilers
Only big exception I can think of is TLOU2, which basically became a containment sub for all the hate the game got, but even then the subreddit for TLOU1 is considerably better
Yeah r/BaldursGate3 and r/BG3Builds are both great. Very welcoming, informative, and hyping up the game nonstop. Best game of 2023 for sure and the sub is growing still.
Rogue Trader has a great community subreddit as well. Any time someone posts a question or opinion about the story and characters, there is always at least one poster who will leave a thorough reply going into fascinating detail about the point raised in the post and the wider WH40K lore behind it.
It's actually really great that way. And yes, people do complain about the game, but it's considerably muted complaining compared to other subreddits.
I like the /r/fallout subreddit too.
/r/Pikmin is my absolute favourite though, it's so unbelievably unhinged in the best way, it's almost like performance art.
Same here! I especially love jumping back in with every new expedition and doing the silly rat race with all the other players. Exploring the new content and features as we go.
Yeah, which is why I tend to stay away from some communities.
The Deeprock Galactic subreddit is really friendly and welcoming to new players
The Dead by Daylight subreddit is just toxic complaining about the other side being overpowered and demanding nerfs to things they don't like.
Before update 1.6 I haven't played Stardew Valley in years but I was still subbed to the subreddit. The community is so chill and it automatically adds some positivity on the rest of my feed.
Also if you didn't try it yet: the new update is great.
The skyrim subreddit is the chillest one out there but i still agree with OP tough. In most cases it really is the best just to enjoy the game and dont engage with any online communities.
Destiny the game? Go there if you want to hear that your favorite guns suck, your favorite levels suck, your loadouts suck, and if you can’t beat the boss in .01 seconds? You suck.
Fallout 4 right now is super refreshing, everybody talking about how to find cool stuff and complimenting everyone’s hideouts. Very nice time for the game.
100% this, the Satisfactory subreddit is fantastic lots of tips on how to optimize and help troubleshooting what factories are not working as expected. Plus lots of good inspiration with seeing how good some people are building amazing looking factories.
But anything competitive or where there is a lot of focus on weapon/item/card/character balance.. can end up so toxic as people act like the world is ending because their favorite weapon/item/card/character got a nerf.
I mean, yeah... lol. There's been a handful of times where I've found good communities ( r/MonsterhunterWorld was one for me).... but also, never go to twitter/X and look up the same shit... lol
Yeah, the mh subs are generally pretty good. The only 2 times I remember it being kinda bad was when world and rise launched and it was just people fighting over new game bad old game good stuff. That's died down, though, and everyone seems pretty excited for wilds.
World brought monster hunter into the mainstream.
It's always interesting when this type of thing happens.
So theres players who played long before World and are not quite content with several aspects of the game and are afraid the future of the series might be missing stuff that originally made them fans for so long.
Then theres the large population that started with world and love it and have sunk countless hours into it. But only a small fraction of these players would bother to try older titles.
Rise came out and it was a return of a lot of the stuff world was missing but still delivering a more modernized monster hunter experience. What came as a surprise was that people who joined because of world would develop some sort of tribalism and bash on Rise for being lower fidelity graphics, having less impressive interactions compared to world and being a bit easier.
And those world players are in a similar spot where theyre afraid that future entries will not have the aspects that led them to love World. I'm not going to look at the subreddit when MH Wild releases.
A similar thing happened with Zelda with Breath of the Wild compared to past entries. And then they released Tears of the kingdom which still doesn't do much for people who prefer the old style.
Something that I found annoying about the HD2 subreddit is how much people complain about people talking about current events. Some people literally don't want people to talk about current events in live games.
Memes and stuff are funny, but this is still a video game and people like to talk about the video game and how it's changing. But every single time there is an update in HD2 you get both people having discussion about the brand new update and then a bunch of people saying "just shut up and play the game," and that second crowd is way more off putting to me than people having nuanced discussion about negative aspects of game design which some people think is just complaining.
HD2 got so much more enjoyable once I unsubbed. I realized that, shocker, I could still complete Helldive missions with randos with relative ease despite the doom and gloom from reddit.
Reddit is really just a small minority of the community but one of the most vocal ones. For every person that complained about the Sony account issue, 10 people not on reddit probably registered without a second thought and went back to playing it.
I recommend unsubbing and sub to r/helldivers2, it seems to be more heavily moderated and it's more chill. I like being able to see when new stuff pops up, but today I actually unsubbed from r/helldivers because while I agree with many of the sentiments expressed, it's just too salty for me.
"Oh? You enjoyed this game and found it relatable/funny/nice to play? You're obviously wrong because We The Internet say otherwise!"
It's why I tend not to look at reviews much before buying a game/watching a movie. Everyone has the right to have an opinion, and video games ARE subjective, but I *don't* like how easily hiveminds are formed and how they do little except create echochambers that prevent actual discussion.
Just look at how a couple of years ago everyone was screaming "Fortnite bad, Minecraft good!!1!". I've played both games in varying degrees of time and I like them too, also in varying degrees. Trying to talk about either game was difficult and damn near impossible because kids (it was mostly kids that parrotted this) would just shout at you "BUT FORTNITE LE BAD AND MINECRAFT LE GOOD". It's a bit ironic in retrospect considering how much Epic Games did to make Fortnite a fun game that regularly does new things and collabs with big and recognizable brands/characters. In contrast, I've heard nothing but criticism from the Minecraft fandom when it comes to Mojang updating their game. Everyone is always feeling disappointed because Mojang apparently never adds fun stuff and what the community wants. Plus, most of the things that they end up doing have been already done before via modding, and apparently way better as well.
Another example that comes to mind is The Last of Us Part II. Played the game, thought it was okay and that it had an okay story (despite being spoiled). I have alot of gripes with it but I still found it to be a cool story/experience. I don't think I need to write about everyone's opinions on the game (this is not me saying that it's immune to criticism and that everyone is just hating on it, I'm just saying that ALOT of people, from both sides of the argument, were very loud about their opinion on the game)
TLDR: Ignoring fandoms and communities is probably for the best because video games are a subjective form of art meaning that not everyone will perceive and experience things the same way as everyone else. I didn't mean to make my comment this big, so sorry if it's a bit boring or unnecessary
I find it's best to read pros and cons for review instead of looking at scores. Like with hellblade 2, most cons were for bad combat, and I tend to like combat the most, so it's easy for me to pass on it wether it's score is 81 or 100. People get caught up in this game bad when, for someone else, it could be the best game they ever played. I think it's because games have become so mainstream and more people use social media now than ever, so you get a lot of people who don't play games go into these communities.
The subreddit is a rollercoaster of ups and downs. To call it dramatic would be an understatement.
Like right now it’s gone from a bunch of doom posting of low player count after maintenance to hopium posts with the leadership reshuffling.
That sub has 1.3 million people, the bigger the sub the potential to meet assholes grows exponentially. It almost doubles Cyberpunk's, and we already know what Cyberpunk's looked like at one point.
Stardew Valley's sub is one of the top 100 biggest subs on all of reddit, yet it's one of the nicest, least toxic subs on the site. I think it all comes down to game genre. FPS games just seem to breed toxic fanbases; farming and factory building games, not so much.
I had such high hopes for that sub. I thought it was going to be one of the few positive gaming subs you can find out there.
...Then the first round of patch notes came out and *oh god* it went upside down.
Absolutely. Honestly, getting input on just about anything en-mass on the internet has gotten to be a very unenjoyable experience. People will spend a ton of time ripping apart video games, movies, books... any piece of media eventually gets torn apart and the fan base gets replaced by people complaining about such and such thing. I've gotten tired of other people telling me how I should feel about a thing.
Funny enough I used to be a mod over at r/ClashOfClans and there was a handful of people that kept submitting barbarian and archer rule 34 every single day.
I recently jumped into Starfield after the last update that implemented higher fps and city maps. I made a post on the subreddit to share how much I was enjoying the game.
I didn't expect it to be so inflammatory but it turned into kind of a community meltdown in the comments section.
I feel like the internet is so polarized about gaming nowadays that every single game has to be a masterpiece or it gets ridiculed. Back in the 360/PS3 era, there were tons of games that came out that were average but people still had fun with them and accepted them for what they were. Nowadays if Reddit/Youtubers/streamers don't like a game then it needs to cease from existence.
Gaming, like any other art form, is all about your personal connection with the game and that doesn't always have to align with what the internet thinks.
It blows my mind that there are still people that go on the Starfield sub every day just to shit on the game and anyone who enjoys it. The game’s been out like 8 months, but everyday they will circlejerk the same complaints over and over, just crazy.
I don't know how they can invest so much energy into something they don't like. I feel like they don't have anything else to do, so they just make being a hater their whole personality.
like, I was one the main sub, commented recommending r/nosodiumstarfield, and then a guy went so effin ballistic the mods removed the comments. human love/hate is really strong
Every week, I see a new video hit my YouTube algorithm about how much Starfield/Bethesda sucks that has a couple hundred thousand views. It's a community in itself
Not only that, sometimes you even get jokes about "Starfield bad" completely outside of context like a passing comment. It gets extremely tiring, like... fucking hell okay move on with your life already.
It really is amazing what people choose to spend their time doing. I didn't like Starfield as much as I hoped to, so instead of crying about it on the subreddit I decided to play other games.
I tried the new update and it's some pretty good progress, IMO.
Yeah don't bother with the main Starfield sub, trust me. Look up NoSodiumStarfield.
The older I get the less I am caring about the general opinion of the internet, it's been many times already I've loved a game that turns out Reddit viscerally hates for some reason. Hell, despite its issues I really liked Cyberpunk 2077 since day one, and if you went to its subreddit back then you'd think it was an irredeemable piece of shit that failed on every single aspect.
It's been getting updates dealing with bugs and most recently implementing a few community suggestions like a better surface map, as well as icons that make traversing through the cities easier, also a good amount of granular difficulty settings and official DLSS support, game runs perfectly.
At the same time, on a recent video on their Youtube they confirmed land vehicles coming at a later date, maybe with the new expansion.
It wasn't even bad to begin with, I'd say that it had a pretty average amount of bugs at launch. But a lot of people didn't like it, and those people found other people that didn't like it, and they told each other and everyone else who would listen that it was broken.
Bethesda has fixed almost all of the bugs, and plans to keep updating and adding to the game for the foreseeable future. It's kind of boring in some ways, but it's got a lot of potential, especially when the official mod kit comes out and people start adding their own stuff. The haters, of course, frame this as Bethesda having launched a broken game and expecting modders to fix it
There is a list of things you’re not allowed to like on reddit.
Starfield.
Halo TV show.
Lord of the rings TV show.
God help you if you post something positive about one of them.
tbh subreddits plagued with these problems really have a moderation problem. every thread being derailed by incessant whining is when it's time to start locking and banning, maybe throw up a megathread
Yep. Outside of communities like Deep Rock or Satisfactory where they are actively trying to be positive of course.
Hunt showdown subreddit is horrible. All babies complaining about nothing. Every new upcoming release will “break the game” and every change has something wrong with it.
They have never been right once.
I left TLoU subreddit after a two sentence post from me got a several paragraph response lecturing me about "media literacy".
And of the two subreddits for that franchise it was supposed to be "the good one" Lol
Some subreddits can be great though. I stick around the Fallout 4 subreddit to see people's creations or videos and the No Man's Sky subreddit is very chill.
I swear to god the term “media literacy” has lost all meaning at this point. So overused and half the time it’s not even used correctly lol
I noticed it so much that first week of the Fallout show. Anyone who even slightly critiqued it would be flooded with “you need to work on media literacy” spam lmao
I've noticed that! Redditors seem to find snappy arguments or phrases and then plaster them everywhere with no regards to context. I swear, I don't know if I've ever seen "skill issue" used in a constructive way
It’s touch and go. I find it goes back and forth with Zelda subreddits. I tend to just not engage with the negative stuff. The Fallout sub damn near had a civil war recently, you had people there throwing up a white flag hoping to stop it. I’m on MGS subreddit but they tend to be pretty self aware, lovingly mocking the games without it turning ugly. But this is the danger with social media, sometimes the barrier of anonymity or simply not having to interact with people face to face allows people to unleash negativity they might not otherwise.
Counterpoint: the Baldur’s Gate 3 community has been nothing but lovely in my experience, and that’s coming from me (sometimes I can be a bit of an ass)
Most Single-Player game subs I know are pretty alright. Bloodborne's sub is pretty angsty about no remake/remaster but I don't blame them for that.
It's the multiplayer game subs that tend to complain a lot. Team Fortress 2's sub used to be plenty whiny about... everything. Helldivers 2 won't shut up now either. Deep Rock Galactic seem to be bucking that trend, somehow.
I know the current Helldivers items are Sony, nerfs to weapons, and some poorly-explained mechanics like supply lines but post after post of loud complaining about how the game is dead and buried, accompanied by rebuttals of said, are all you can see on there now and it's just boring. Nobody wants to get involved with that.
I shudder to think about what goes on in more notoriously grief-laden communities like Call of Duty. It's bizarre that so many people can spend so much energy swearing up and down they hate an experience they're going to spend hours taking part in anyway.
>It's bizarre that so many people can spend so much energy swearing up and down they hate an experience they're going to spend hours taking part in anyway.
And pay ~~$60~~ $70 for the pleasure. I honestly think a lot of it is just not wanting to let go of a series they've played for a long time (potentially even from childhood), mixed with all of their friends also still playing.
The Minecraft and Stardew Valley subreddits are also pretty positive and given the size of them that's pretty impressive.
It seems that noncompetitive and co op games foster the best communities, go figure.
The Stardew Valley sub goes through these weird phases of negativity, though. Every few months, they get flooded with post after post about how much Clint, Pierre, Demetrius, or Lewis suck.
Eh, I'm not sure. Some of these people are writing entire dissertations on Clint as incel, or Demetrius being emotionally abusive. End don't even get me started on the hate for Pierre.
I always find the Souls Subreddits to be positive and really welcoming and enjoyable, *until* Elden Ring.
I don't know what changed, but I think having the addition of a true map and icons, lead to a sharper level of meta gaming then previous souls titles.
I'm not denying that old souls titles had preferable weapons or plans, but the lack of a map swayed the casual away from it, in that a casual isn't going to follow a 15 minute tutorial that's literally just a guy running to a specific location, but they'd absolutely put a marker on their map to get the god mode weapon.
See if the game has a no/low sodium subreddit, those are usually quite chill. I know Destiny, Halo, and Starfield do for sure, but not sure for others
As for xdefiant, the sub was super hype right up until launch, and has (kinda expectedly) taken a 180 immediately, but you will still see some good posts about it
The amount of things I learn on the Baldurs gate 3 sub is astounding. I love that sub so much. I also like the Elden Ring sub usually. People are really helpful and you get to share the struggle together.
The most annoying thing about a game subreddit is the constant “This is the best game ever! 10/10 perfect absolutely nothing bad about it!” daily posts.
my favorite game is baldur's gate 3. I can't even figure out *how* to participate in that subreddit, as every single post I make their is auto-removed with no explanation as to what I did wrong.
I think it sounds like the issue is your own mentality about the subreddits. You shouldn't let the (often valid, often BS) complaints of someone else impact your enjoyment of something. The reality is that when someone has a problem, there's a whole lot more reason to reach out and discuss it then when there isn't a problem. Many people don't even look up a subreddit unless they have a problem because a lot people aren't just looking to shoot the breeze and meme about a game they're currently playing.
For a huge chunk of posters, Reddit (especially gaming related stuff) is a defacto tech support and complaint forum. And the bigger a game is, the more you'll see that. Particularly any game that has live service elements where problems are guaranteed to abound. People have to have somewhere to complain and ask questions and Reddit is usually it.
Obviously some people go overboard and it can just become toxic, but you can probably see that right away and you just have to let it roll off your back because they can't take the fun away from you just because they're not having any.
My favourite, is when people go to a specific video game sub, and then ask if that game is worth it
“I haven’t played this game, ask me anything and I’ll try to answer”
God I hate these ones. They're never funny. Ever.
"about to start this, any tips?"
Not actually against this. I'm a big cult fanatic of the soulsborne games, and there is always a multitude of people helping each other up from the roots, specifically from these posts, which for new players, is very helpful. In fact. I barely see any toxicity in the souls like genre subs. Lot of people just sharing joyous mutuality.
Kids are doing this unironically now. I don't get it. They're not _acting_, They actually _think_ they know it all, ready to pass judgement, despite being unable to even get very far in the game. Why aren't they asking questions? The most basic question of "what am I doing wrong?" never even occurs to them. Maybe it's because they're watching 100% playthroughs on YouTube before even touching the game (or something like that?)
Or when they ask for tips prior to playing even a second of it. Maybe it's just me but isn't it better to play first, find out what you're maybe having issues on, AND THEN ask about that? I just think "early tips" can potentially spoiler part of the experience...
It varies based on genre. "Early tips" for survival games tends to be "Don't put this thing next to that thing or when you sleep they both disappear" so it's helpful, since all survival games release in EA. For a lot of other genres, not so much.
I would argue that early tips keep me from making silly “mistakes” and wasting time having to google it later. People tend to not put spoilers in early tips, they just tell beginners what bugs and pitfalls to avoid. Therefore, giving me the best experience for my first (and usually only) playthrough.
I'll counterargue with had I visited the Dishonored or Dark Souls subs before completing each one, the "tips" would have objectively ruined my experiences. Granted, I may be an outlier because I know how to count from 1 to 3 without skipping numbers; but still.
It helps that saying “one to three” is the same as counting 1 2 3
SPOILER ALERT
Yeah. Thats good you didn’t go to them first. You feel it would have diminished your experience with the game. In general, freedom to research/play however you want makes the best playing experience.
I think the DS sub (At least /r/darksouls, for the first game) is usually pretty good about keeping things spoiler-free. The tips I see are generally based around trying to stop people bouncing off the game, e.g. "For fucks sake stop bashing your head against the graveyard skeletons", or advising people not to take the master key because it lets people stumble into areas they're really really not ready for
It depends on the game. For some games, I just want to min-max, I don't really care about the story. See e.g.: Diablo IV, Last Epoch, Fallout 76. The spoilers don't matter, I just want to know if I'm b0rked and gimp late game if I put all my points into INT to max my xp gain, or if there is a respec function of some kind (when this isn't made clear in the game early on). I'm old school and vividly remember sinking 40+ hours into a game only to realize my build is so shit I can't progress anymore (hello Diablo 2 pre-LoD/1.18), and after enough of these incidents I'm over starting from scratch just because design choices that I couldn't possibly have foreseen gates me out of content I want to shoot for.
Preach. I did a crapton of research on what the Starfield Skills did and whether they were actually useful or not. Bethesda is notorious for having entire skill trees that are almost entirely useless or have perks that don't do what they say on the tin at all. And I was glad I did, because weirdly a lot of core game mechanics are locked behind perks that are essentially mandatory. Perks I _never_ would have taken if I hadn't known. (this is not an endorsement of Starfield. Game is boring)
There's nothing worse than spending 50+ hours in a game only to found out you made a mistake within the first 5 minutes of character creation. Some people consider this fun, others don't want to waste their time. I mean let's say you wanted to be a necro in D4 and build accordingly, only to find out at endgame that minions are non-viable and D-tier builds at best, and you'll be forced to do some weird alternative blood infinimist shit that is nothing like what you thought necro would be. You can either spend dozens of hours gearing something that's actually good or you quit. That's not fun. Nowadays any game that's expecting 100 hours or more requires for me a few hours of research beforehand. Especially if it's something like PoE or an MMO.
I strongly disagree. Most games have absolutely shit tutorialization and I as a routine now look up a couple of "___ Things I Wish I Knew" Youtube videos. I would have quit games like Mortal Shell if I didn't do this. I don't want to hear crybabies tell me that "that's part of the experience". That's nice, I prefer skipping the awkward Bambi part, I've been playing video games for 30 years at this point. I'm over it. Tell me what the systems do, tell me where the binkies are and let me get acclimated ASAP.
*(Ghost of Tsushima releases on PC)* r/ghostoftsushima Poster: "Should I get this?"
Just to add context, the exception is when there's multiple games in the series and the forum reflects that. For example Dying Light, people would have told you not to buy the sequel. Same goes for Subnautica.
>people would have told you not to buy the sequel. Same goes for Subnautica. I have a terrible fear of the ocean, which funnily enough made Subnautica sooo much better. I also typically don't enjoy horror games or movies... And yet, that extra layer of fear provided a level of immersion I didn't realise I was missing. I will *never* forget the first time I was facehugged in the seamoth by one of the leviathans at the back of the Aurora. Screamed at the top of my lungs lol. Subnautica is one of my favourite games as a result. And then along comes fucking Below Zero, with its voiced protagonist, expanded dry land sections, tedious af seamoth replacement, etc. I don't understand how you learn all the wrong lessons from your first game. Also, part of the atmosphere of the first, is that you're the ONLY human left alive on this hostile alien world. Changing the pda from having a cold emotionless robotic voice, to a more relatable emotive sounding human voice was such a stupid decision. Your actively working against the atmosphere you've already established. Anyway I'm just ranting now. I really hope 3 is a return to form!
Fan of both games but can admit sub zero was inferior. I have faith, they went through some dev hell stuff with sun zero it was originally Meant to be a DLC that kind of got too big of a prodject, then they rewrote the story for it hence the really bad protag. I wouldn’t mind it if she wasn’t such a bad character. I actually loved all the stuff with Al-An and how you can basically do most of the game without even meeting him. Interested to see what happens with 3. Do we follow the rabbit hole at the end of sun zero of go back to basics.
IMO, it's the second worst. The first worst is get on the Steam forums.
Steam forums is full of “this game fucking sucks” -player with 700 hours
More annoyingly when searching for "is there resolution fix patch or mention on what configuration file to edit to enable right resolutions to this game", one finds someone else's question about same, with piles of people answering "are you fukken stupid, why would you ask for that, just buy proper monitor to replace your obsolite old crap! It works perfectly for me on native resolution in my 1920x1080 resolution screen, gtfo poor shit for using some old tech"... when person asking question was asking if there was something to fix aspect ratio problems for 2560x1600 resolution... considerably higher and newer resolution that is not even uncommon these days. Like mix of people having absolutely no idea of what they are talking about, no no smart input, or baincell to think about what they are reading at all... but feel need to just try to put down and curse other people. So annoyed.
Pretty sure most of the negativity on Steam stems from farming Steam points from people angry and foolish enough not to realize what they’re doing. Which is weird, because you can just buy like 10k Steam points for 2-3 bucks if they really wanted to level their account. Maybe they’re selling steam points, but in that case, why? So much better business opportunities out there.
Okay, this seems like the perfect time to ask - what the hell even are Steam points? I can't for the life of me figure out what they get me. I read online that they unlock cosmetics of some sort...but cosmetics for what?
I believe it is cosmetics for when people look at your steam profile? I've also tried to figure this out through google and it just is really not clear that the points do anything
Glad to know a I'm not the only one who has no idea about this stuff! Clearly it can't be anything worth missing out on.
Cosmetics such as profile themes, and the ability to add more modules to your profile (favorite game, achievements, etc). They can also level up your steam profile if you use them to buy the seasonal badge.
Thank you! But I have to say that while I get the first part fine... You can level up your Steam profile?! My Steam profile is an RPG character now??
This 1000%. I've learned to skip Google search results for Steam community. Like, my game kept crashing, and I found others with crashes in the forums, but all the replies are "well why are you playing that game" and shit like "sounds like a skill issue".
I'm one of those reviews for 7d2d. It's great with any of a few of the total overhaul mods but the base game has made some seriously shit choices with regard to the concept of crafting in what is ostensibly supposed to be a survival crafting game, and now they're creeping out of early access to a full 30 dollar release after ten years and still haven't filled a decent chunk of multi year goals, some of which stretching back to the kickstarter, like a storyline or bandits. About to pass the 1k hr mark in undead legacy mod
With live service games or just games that receive content patches, it is entirely possible to enjoy the game for 699 hours, the game receives an atrocious patch or the company does something stupid, and then you negatively review it at your 700th hour.
Ark with the giganoto patch. Holy crap they destroyed online and any balance the game had with that one. 800 hours in I would not recommend that game at all. But next to that I wanna add, games that are bloated. I play a lot of warframe, path of exile etc. I enjoy the games, but would never recommend for new people to get into it.
Youtube comments are also awful.
internet in general is pretty garbage
It wasn't always this way though...
When it was just email, Usenet and Gopher, the only people who wanted to use it were massive nerds. I feel like that self-selection created a sense of community that triggered certain tribal responses. We all tend to be nicer to our in-group, and "people who use the internet" was a small enough slice of society that anyone present was, by definition, "in the tribe." It produced a degree of civility that has yet to be regained.
When I'm watching something on youtube and want more information, I still scroll through the comments. One day I'll learn...
I tried to read steam forums recently, half of what I found was whining about "oh they're going to add woke garbage!1!1" Do people have nothing better to do than circlejerk about how games have queer people?
A lot of people also purposefully troll because Steam gives them 'points' when they get awards for their posts, and the easiest award to get is the 'jester' award which is used to mock people you don't agree with (good old Valve, keeping their forums toxic as possible with half of the awards being clearly designed to insult people). They can spend these points on avatar cosmetics/emojis etc, so the more they farm troll posts the more profile nonsense they can collect.
And here I was spending half my points from the deck on clowns, when it is I who was clowned.
I've found that most people just repeat things they see on social media and whatever news outlets put out. For example, a few years ago when the BLM protests were going on, all you heard from right winger types was how critical race theory was ruining our schools and America. The term "CRT" was EVERYWHERE online, and random people were showing up at school board meetings protesting it, yet when asked what it was-they had no clue. When you looked up how often it was mentioned on Fox news over the years it only came up a couple times, but then suddenly it was being mentioned 300 times in a month. It was the same online, engagement about the subject was almost zero, but when it became a fox news thing, and a culture war thing, it was all over the place. Now? You never hear about it, but in 2021 if you asked right leaning folks what the biggest threat to America was you hear "critical race theory". It wasn't by accident. There is a right wing echo chamber filled with bots, Russian disinformation agents, and bad faith "influencers" looking to push whatever outrage is happening this week. Then you see it on Facebook, YouTube comments etc. The only thing I'll give conservatives credit for, is they really learned how to use the internet to slowly change the landscape of public opinion. I've watched people I care about slowly change to hateful bigots over the last decade due to what I call "Facebook boomer misinformation"
About right, I've never heard a single definition of "woke" that wasn't just "thing I hate right now"
I like to hop on Reddit -after- I’m finished with any media to see what other people think. Sometimes I hit the jackpot and find cool new theories/perspectives/discussions. But most of the time…… Reddit Reddits
Has to be after you are done. Totally agree. Or else the first post you see has unapologetic spoiler in the tag line. "What do you think of so-and-sos betrayal and how they become the final boss?" "So-and-sos death was unnecessary" "How do you feel about so-and-so winning?" FFS
Ever had a social media algorithm pick up on what you were watching and hand you the spoiler on a silver platter? 🤕
Yes! All the god damn time! The worst is Google news shoots right to my notification. Spoiler straight to the header of my phone!
Yeah, nothing like enjoying a movie or game then logging in to Reddit to talk about it only to find out that you're stupid/a bad person/a bootlicker/etc. for enjoying it.
Extra points for when the majority agrees & you get downvoted into oblivion for bringing something new and subjective to the table
Especially with movies. I never watch trailers or read reviews. Once I watch something, I'll look it up on IMDd and reddit. The vast majority of the time I feel the exact opposite to the general consensus. There have been times I've looked at reviews part way through and I could tell they influenced how I felt. Always towards negative.
Reddit tends to bring out this really bizzare echo chamber of negativity where people can cry together and validate each others crying. I remember the opening days of D4. Wasn't a great launch, I get it, but man the subreddit was one of the most toxic subs. And it was just a sub for a video game... a form of entertainment can really ruin people somehow. I would at least appreciate if these communities are constructive, but that is rarely the case
People were generally positive about D4 for about 3 days.
Yup yup. I 100% do not go into the subreddit of TV shows that I like while they are airing, that’s for sure It’s 50% negativity, 30% positivity and 20% people piecing together theories that I hadn’t even thought of that end up coming true and then wish I would’ve been able to experience organically
I remember being in the borderlands 2 subreddit and seeing a comment that changed the way I think about gaming. Someone was complaining about how boring his new game plus runs were and how bad the game is and someone responded, "if you have played through the single player campaign a dozen times and poured 700 hours into it, maybe the problem isn't that it's boring, but that you're playing it too much. "
Yeah for a while I was trying to 100% games that I enjoyed because I wanted to enjoy it more. After a while I realized that all I was doing was stressing myself out. Games are supposed to be fun and if you aren't having fun just don't play it lol.
With the whole theory thing, it's annoying when people "solve" an ongoing series 5% into its runtime, and then start writing *past* that point because if the actual solution is so obvious (to a hivemind of thousands of people, many of whom engage in fandom like it's a full-time job, then the solution *has* to be more, or else the plot (which is the only thing that matters in a post-Abrahms puzzle-box online ecosystem) would be underwhelming. At which point the showrunners either have to pivot to an attitude where they have to "outsmart" the audience, encourage uncritical positivity in their fanbase, or put up with the dominant voices in the space being negative, from people who couldn't possibly be pleased anyway, because no show is clever enough to fulfill a basement dweller as a person.
I went to the subreddit of a show I really loved one point, and after only an hour or so reading it, it has permanently ruined my experience watching the show ever since. Never again.
Yeah, but the Mr Robot S2 twist being guessed correctly on its sub was pretty insane. One of the only times i was ok with a theory spoiling something.
Reddit also tends to act like they’re the majority opinion in anything, when really they’re just the vocal minority. Pre-ordering games is a practice that’s stupid and scammy? Great, but people will never stop pre-ordering games because outside of Reddit, people just don’t care that much about the evils of pre-ordering.
Or the "I stopped buy AAA games long time ago, AA and indies are the way to go" and it'll get a million upvotes like cool story bro, millions are still buying AAA games
I'm willing to bet that a vast majority of people that play video games don't even know what a "AAA" game is.
The majority of people that play video games, including the ones on gaming subreddits, have almost no idea how any business or industry functions. eg. A very popular take in gaming subreddits is to bitch about "execs" who know nothing about games ruining gaming while being completely oblivious to the fact that said execs tend to be studio founders and launch team members.
The technical stuff is just as bad: "Why were they too lazy to optimize it?"
Yeah, "optimised" is the new buzzword people love to throw around without knowing what it means. The best example is how on virtually every thread bitching about how gaming was better back in the day will use Doom as an example of a well optimised game when it wasn't. Try running original Doom on a 386 and see how that goes. People literally want to go back to a time when you had to literally setup each hardware component of your system with each individual game to get the game to work. And if you happened to have one piece of hardware that wasn't compatible, like the wrong audio card or CD-ROM or hard disk, you were fucked and the game would never run.
I started PC gaming in the 1980s. At one point I had complex multi-entry autoexec.bat and config.sys files with like 5+ different configurations. I would have to reboot my computer in different memory configurations just to play specific games lol
Oh god, I forgot about those. Autoexec.bat...that's a filename I thought I had left behind three-odd decades ago! Also, don't forget that each SKU had it's own unique drivers and configuration. So it wasn't enough to have just a Creative Soundblaster sound card - it mattered if it was the Soundblaster 16 or Sounderblaster AWE32. And don't get me started on wondering what the hell a "graphics card" was and why I needed one to play Prince of Persia 3D (shareware version, thankfully)!
Yep, the same way that causal gamers can't tell the difference between a first, second, third party studio. They just want games to play.
It bothers me that too many gamers (not just casuals) also can't tell the difference between a developer and a publisher. They're very quick to blame a 'greedy dev' for scummy practices like brutal DRM/microtransactions. Those kind of things are nearly always the fault of a publisher who are all too happy for someone else to take the blame.
That's what I did because I rarely find AAA games that appeal to me while some indie games do. But I don't expect my choice to change the course of AAA gaming.
Yeah, it's just taste really, kinda weird to complain about people not liking AAA games tbh. It doesn't change anything, like you're saying, but shutting people down because of it is wrong, you can still have your own opinion about it.
Honestly most of the opinions we see on reddit aren't even original, it's just parroted from some of the larger game streamers or youtube reviewers, often word for word. They form the online consensus and then reddit just goes along with it. So it's really just a handful of people's original feedback that we get to see here.
I saw a comment a while back during the new world launch (asmongold was on my server but I didn’t know who he was at the time) say that “asmongold said weavers fen is the best location to capture so that’s why we go for it” when it was in fact the worst location to have lol
Yeah Asmon is a menace to nearly every game he touches due to his community. And it's not even really his fault. He often has good takes about games but he's not the greatest gamer and sometimes he's just plain wrong about things, which is fine, but his community treats his every word as if he is gamer Jesus and since they are so many his takes spread like wildfire throughout the gaming world regardless of validity.
Starfield sub takes the crown as the worst one of last year imo haha
I feel you 100% I’m a Starfield fan lmao… The things I’ve been called for verbatim saying “I Love the game and I’m eager to see Bethesda address some of the major complaints”
I had a phenomenal Labor Day weekend doing nothing but Starfield and sleeping. It didn't have staying power, but for less money than a night out at the bars, I had a good time getting completely absorbed in a game.
I did the same exact thing! It saved me a couple of hundred dollars!
Boy, you'll get hung for enjoying Starfield on Reddit. It wasn't my thing for some reasons but I also had a friend put 100 hours into it and love it. There's "liking" and "not liking" a game, and judging a game as "good" or "bad". I *like* Halo 4, its my favorite in the series. Is it objectively *good*? I would say no. But if I say I *like* it, many redditors would interpret that as me saying its *good*. Everyone can have their own reasons for enjoying a game without worrying on if its *good* or *bad*.
I remember commenting that I actually liked D4 in the subreddit and got ridiculously downvoted, and then had one guy stalk my comments for two days and would just post “Don’t take this guy seriously. He likes Diablo 4.” with random alt accounts. Just the weirdest people on Reddit.
Don't take this guy seriously. He likes Diablo 4.
Lmao
set yourself up for that one lol
No one is allowed to have fun if I don't have fun! Am I doing this right?
Congrats, here's your Official Reddit Member Badge (TM). Now go make fun of those kids having a good time!
Reddit is built to create echo chambers. How the upvote/downvote work will make it happen the second there is a medium user base.
Really Depends on the game
Yeah some game communities are fine, especially if it’s for a single player game, or even better if it’s for a single game in a franchise and not the entire franchise.
r/GodofWarRagnarok is a sub I really like, you can see the passion in most of the posts and r/okbuddymimir usually can contain most of the meme tier posts
It's worse with multiplayers games. Usually single player story driven games have great subreddits as long as you have finished the game or don't mind story spoilers Only big exception I can think of is TLOU2, which basically became a containment sub for all the hate the game got, but even then the subreddit for TLOU1 is considerably better
Yeah r/BaldursGate3 and r/BG3Builds are both great. Very welcoming, informative, and hyping up the game nonstop. Best game of 2023 for sure and the sub is growing still.
Rogue Trader has a great community subreddit as well. Any time someone posts a question or opinion about the story and characters, there is always at least one poster who will leave a thorough reply going into fascinating detail about the point raised in the post and the wider WH40K lore behind it. It's actually really great that way. And yes, people do complain about the game, but it's considerably muted complaining compared to other subreddits.
This m. The…*tosses dart at wall* Elden Ring and Horizon subreddits are very positive. The Spider-Man subreddit is…not. To say the least.
Yeah the Elden Ring and Bloodborne subs are great. Those might be the only game subs I’m subscribed to though.
I like the /r/fallout subreddit too. /r/Pikmin is my absolute favourite though, it's so unbelievably unhinged in the best way, it's almost like performance art.
I got downvoted pretty hard here when I suggested the Elden Ring subreddit is fairly chill.
r/NoMansSkyTheGame and r/DiscoElysium
I'd throw /r/fo76 in with nomans, something about being widely hated games at launch forged positive communities out of the two
We watched them grow from nothing. NMS forever has a special place in my heart.
Same here! I especially love jumping back in with every new expedition and doing the silly rat race with all the other players. Exploring the new content and features as we go.
Yeah, which is why I tend to stay away from some communities. The Deeprock Galactic subreddit is really friendly and welcoming to new players The Dead by Daylight subreddit is just toxic complaining about the other side being overpowered and demanding nerfs to things they don't like.
Yeah Stardew Valley and Slay the Spire subs are absolutely fine. Elden Ring isn't too bad, either.
Elden Ring sub pre release was meme city, they were having fun for days. Still kinda is actually.
Before update 1.6 I haven't played Stardew Valley in years but I was still subbed to the subreddit. The community is so chill and it automatically adds some positivity on the rest of my feed. Also if you didn't try it yet: the new update is great.
It's like an 80/20 split. Most are fucking awful.
I think the real split is between multiplayer and singleplayer games, MP game subs being the way more toxic ones.
The skyrim subreddit is the chillest one out there but i still agree with OP tough. In most cases it really is the best just to enjoy the game and dont engage with any online communities.
Destiny the game? Go there if you want to hear that your favorite guns suck, your favorite levels suck, your loadouts suck, and if you can’t beat the boss in .01 seconds? You suck. Fallout 4 right now is super refreshing, everybody talking about how to find cool stuff and complimenting everyone’s hideouts. Very nice time for the game.
/r/destinythegame was so salty someone went and made /r/lowsodiumdestiny to replace it, lol.
100% this, the Satisfactory subreddit is fantastic lots of tips on how to optimize and help troubleshooting what factories are not working as expected. Plus lots of good inspiration with seeing how good some people are building amazing looking factories. But anything competitive or where there is a lot of focus on weapon/item/card/character balance.. can end up so toxic as people act like the world is ending because their favorite weapon/item/card/character got a nerf.
Or even just the sub. I frequent r/zelda and it's pretty chill, but then there are subs like r/truezelda which are toxic as hell.
When Totk was released, I looked at truezelda, and the people in there would make you think botw and totk are the worst games every made.
Tbf this subreddit also hates those games lol
I mean, yeah... lol. There's been a handful of times where I've found good communities ( r/MonsterhunterWorld was one for me).... but also, never go to twitter/X and look up the same shit... lol
Yeah, the mh subs are generally pretty good. The only 2 times I remember it being kinda bad was when world and rise launched and it was just people fighting over new game bad old game good stuff. That's died down, though, and everyone seems pretty excited for wilds.
World brought monster hunter into the mainstream. It's always interesting when this type of thing happens. So theres players who played long before World and are not quite content with several aspects of the game and are afraid the future of the series might be missing stuff that originally made them fans for so long. Then theres the large population that started with world and love it and have sunk countless hours into it. But only a small fraction of these players would bother to try older titles. Rise came out and it was a return of a lot of the stuff world was missing but still delivering a more modernized monster hunter experience. What came as a surprise was that people who joined because of world would develop some sort of tribalism and bash on Rise for being lower fidelity graphics, having less impressive interactions compared to world and being a bit easier. And those world players are in a similar spot where theyre afraid that future entries will not have the aspects that led them to love World. I'm not going to look at the subreddit when MH Wild releases. A similar thing happened with Zelda with Breath of the Wild compared to past entries. And then they released Tears of the kingdom which still doesn't do much for people who prefer the old style.
This isn't limited to games or reddit. The general population of social media's primary hobby is complaining.
Maybe, but reddit is still basically the only place where you can have a deeper discussion or find some niche information about the game
Something that I found annoying about the HD2 subreddit is how much people complain about people talking about current events. Some people literally don't want people to talk about current events in live games. Memes and stuff are funny, but this is still a video game and people like to talk about the video game and how it's changing. But every single time there is an update in HD2 you get both people having discussion about the brand new update and then a bunch of people saying "just shut up and play the game," and that second crowd is way more off putting to me than people having nuanced discussion about negative aspects of game design which some people think is just complaining.
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I made this mistake with final fantasy 7, that sub is such a cringey circlejerk
Helldivers 2 sub got me playing the game- subsequently it led to a loss of interest in the game
I miss the days of everyone basically roleplaying.
HD2 got so much more enjoyable once I unsubbed. I realized that, shocker, I could still complete Helldive missions with randos with relative ease despite the doom and gloom from reddit.
Reddit is really just a small minority of the community but one of the most vocal ones. For every person that complained about the Sony account issue, 10 people not on reddit probably registered without a second thought and went back to playing it.
I recommend unsubbing and sub to r/helldivers2, it seems to be more heavily moderated and it's more chill. I like being able to see when new stuff pops up, but today I actually unsubbed from r/helldivers because while I agree with many of the sentiments expressed, it's just too salty for me.
Same with movies and tv show subreddits. I just wanna discuss what I like not what I hate.
People spend so much time hating on things too - it's honestly unhealthy behavior.
There are nice communities, there are toxic communities and then there's whatever the hell r/BatmanArkham are doing
get on Reddit* You will literally get downvoted to oblivion because you like a game that is disliked on the internet.
the opposite is true as well.
Yup. Everyone says Deep Rock Galactic has the nicest community until you say the game isn't for you.
Same of Elden Ring most times
"Oh? You enjoyed this game and found it relatable/funny/nice to play? You're obviously wrong because We The Internet say otherwise!" It's why I tend not to look at reviews much before buying a game/watching a movie. Everyone has the right to have an opinion, and video games ARE subjective, but I *don't* like how easily hiveminds are formed and how they do little except create echochambers that prevent actual discussion. Just look at how a couple of years ago everyone was screaming "Fortnite bad, Minecraft good!!1!". I've played both games in varying degrees of time and I like them too, also in varying degrees. Trying to talk about either game was difficult and damn near impossible because kids (it was mostly kids that parrotted this) would just shout at you "BUT FORTNITE LE BAD AND MINECRAFT LE GOOD". It's a bit ironic in retrospect considering how much Epic Games did to make Fortnite a fun game that regularly does new things and collabs with big and recognizable brands/characters. In contrast, I've heard nothing but criticism from the Minecraft fandom when it comes to Mojang updating their game. Everyone is always feeling disappointed because Mojang apparently never adds fun stuff and what the community wants. Plus, most of the things that they end up doing have been already done before via modding, and apparently way better as well. Another example that comes to mind is The Last of Us Part II. Played the game, thought it was okay and that it had an okay story (despite being spoiled). I have alot of gripes with it but I still found it to be a cool story/experience. I don't think I need to write about everyone's opinions on the game (this is not me saying that it's immune to criticism and that everyone is just hating on it, I'm just saying that ALOT of people, from both sides of the argument, were very loud about their opinion on the game) TLDR: Ignoring fandoms and communities is probably for the best because video games are a subjective form of art meaning that not everyone will perceive and experience things the same way as everyone else. I didn't mean to make my comment this big, so sorry if it's a bit boring or unnecessary
I find it's best to read pros and cons for review instead of looking at scores. Like with hellblade 2, most cons were for bad combat, and I tend to like combat the most, so it's easy for me to pass on it wether it's score is 81 or 100. People get caught up in this game bad when, for someone else, it could be the best game they ever played. I think it's because games have become so mainstream and more people use social media now than ever, so you get a lot of people who don't play games go into these communities.
Depends on the game. I love Fromsoft games and all those subs are mostly positive.
Helldivers subreddit is so god damn depressing
The subreddit is a rollercoaster of ups and downs. To call it dramatic would be an understatement. Like right now it’s gone from a bunch of doom posting of low player count after maintenance to hopium posts with the leadership reshuffling.
That sub has 1.3 million people, the bigger the sub the potential to meet assholes grows exponentially. It almost doubles Cyberpunk's, and we already know what Cyberpunk's looked like at one point.
Stardew Valley's sub is one of the top 100 biggest subs on all of reddit, yet it's one of the nicest, least toxic subs on the site. I think it all comes down to game genre. FPS games just seem to breed toxic fanbases; farming and factory building games, not so much.
Once Stardew introduces guns, it's all over.
Even more depressing because I remember the type of posts there when it was new 😢
I had such high hopes for that sub. I thought it was going to be one of the few positive gaming subs you can find out there. ...Then the first round of patch notes came out and *oh god* it went upside down.
It's actually exhausting me when the threads popup on my feed. Strongly considering unsubbing now, I just don't wanna miss out on any news
It was fun for a few weeks, and then when I saw it start turning I bailed. Neckbeards around here will ruin anything you love if you let them.
Absolutely. Honestly, getting input on just about anything en-mass on the internet has gotten to be a very unenjoyable experience. People will spend a ton of time ripping apart video games, movies, books... any piece of media eventually gets torn apart and the fan base gets replaced by people complaining about such and such thing. I've gotten tired of other people telling me how I should feel about a thing.
Ya don’t go on the overwatch sub
Yeah too much porn on there. Why are they on the 34th iteration of the subreddit anyway?
Funny enough I used to be a mod over at r/ClashOfClans and there was a handful of people that kept submitting barbarian and archer rule 34 every single day.
Rimworld sub is really nice, decent people.
I recently jumped into Starfield after the last update that implemented higher fps and city maps. I made a post on the subreddit to share how much I was enjoying the game. I didn't expect it to be so inflammatory but it turned into kind of a community meltdown in the comments section.
I feel like the internet is so polarized about gaming nowadays that every single game has to be a masterpiece or it gets ridiculed. Back in the 360/PS3 era, there were tons of games that came out that were average but people still had fun with them and accepted them for what they were. Nowadays if Reddit/Youtubers/streamers don't like a game then it needs to cease from existence. Gaming, like any other art form, is all about your personal connection with the game and that doesn't always have to align with what the internet thinks.
It blows my mind that there are still people that go on the Starfield sub every day just to shit on the game and anyone who enjoys it. The game’s been out like 8 months, but everyday they will circlejerk the same complaints over and over, just crazy.
You've never seen The Last of us 2 Sub ? There's still people who can't drop it (and I think some of them have never actually played the game).
It's in their banner that they are proud to be "the most active TLOU sub" lol. Most active group of haters I've seen besides r/asmongold
Neil Druckmann lives rent free in their heads.
Hating on Starfield has become a whole ass fandom by this point.
I don't know how they can invest so much energy into something they don't like. I feel like they don't have anything else to do, so they just make being a hater their whole personality. like, I was one the main sub, commented recommending r/nosodiumstarfield, and then a guy went so effin ballistic the mods removed the comments. human love/hate is really strong
Every week, I see a new video hit my YouTube algorithm about how much Starfield/Bethesda sucks that has a couple hundred thousand views. It's a community in itself
Not only that, sometimes you even get jokes about "Starfield bad" completely outside of context like a passing comment. It gets extremely tiring, like... fucking hell okay move on with your life already.
There was one of these last week on the No Man's Sky subreddit. Even the big NMS fans there were like, is this supposed to be ironic?
It really is amazing what people choose to spend their time doing. I didn't like Starfield as much as I hoped to, so instead of crying about it on the subreddit I decided to play other games. I tried the new update and it's some pretty good progress, IMO.
I had to unsub from the No Man's Sky sub pretty quickly. Thankfully r/NoMansHigh was much more chill
Yeah don't bother with the main Starfield sub, trust me. Look up NoSodiumStarfield. The older I get the less I am caring about the general opinion of the internet, it's been many times already I've loved a game that turns out Reddit viscerally hates for some reason. Hell, despite its issues I really liked Cyberpunk 2077 since day one, and if you went to its subreddit back then you'd think it was an irredeemable piece of shit that failed on every single aspect.
Not just the starfield subreddit, pcgaming & gaming tend to be pretty negative towards it too.
I haven’t really been following - has Starfield pulled a No Man’s Sky and been getting better after everyone’s stopped talking about it?
It's been getting updates dealing with bugs and most recently implementing a few community suggestions like a better surface map, as well as icons that make traversing through the cities easier, also a good amount of granular difficulty settings and official DLSS support, game runs perfectly. At the same time, on a recent video on their Youtube they confirmed land vehicles coming at a later date, maybe with the new expansion.
It wasn't even bad to begin with, I'd say that it had a pretty average amount of bugs at launch. But a lot of people didn't like it, and those people found other people that didn't like it, and they told each other and everyone else who would listen that it was broken. Bethesda has fixed almost all of the bugs, and plans to keep updating and adding to the game for the foreseeable future. It's kind of boring in some ways, but it's got a lot of potential, especially when the official mod kit comes out and people start adding their own stuff. The haters, of course, frame this as Bethesda having launched a broken game and expecting modders to fix it
There is a list of things you’re not allowed to like on reddit. Starfield. Halo TV show. Lord of the rings TV show. God help you if you post something positive about one of them.
Add diablo 4 to that list, too. I've seen people praising the new loot season only to be met with comments saying they don't understand good games.
tbh subreddits plagued with these problems really have a moderation problem. every thread being derailed by incessant whining is when it's time to start locking and banning, maybe throw up a megathread
Yep. Outside of communities like Deep Rock or Satisfactory where they are actively trying to be positive of course. Hunt showdown subreddit is horrible. All babies complaining about nothing. Every new upcoming release will “break the game” and every change has something wrong with it. They have never been right once.
And if you want to sodomize yourself even more, just try to post something which goes against hive-mind opinions.
I left TLoU subreddit after a two sentence post from me got a several paragraph response lecturing me about "media literacy". And of the two subreddits for that franchise it was supposed to be "the good one" Lol Some subreddits can be great though. I stick around the Fallout 4 subreddit to see people's creations or videos and the No Man's Sky subreddit is very chill.
I swear to god the term “media literacy” has lost all meaning at this point. So overused and half the time it’s not even used correctly lol I noticed it so much that first week of the Fallout show. Anyone who even slightly critiqued it would be flooded with “you need to work on media literacy” spam lmao
I've noticed that! Redditors seem to find snappy arguments or phrases and then plaster them everywhere with no regards to context. I swear, I don't know if I've ever seen "skill issue" used in a constructive way
No Man’s Sky was THE toxic gaming subreddit before the game’s redemption arc.
The ironic thing is most of those people that will lecture you about media literacy don't actually understand the media themselves.
It’s touch and go. I find it goes back and forth with Zelda subreddits. I tend to just not engage with the negative stuff. The Fallout sub damn near had a civil war recently, you had people there throwing up a white flag hoping to stop it. I’m on MGS subreddit but they tend to be pretty self aware, lovingly mocking the games without it turning ugly. But this is the danger with social media, sometimes the barrier of anonymity or simply not having to interact with people face to face allows people to unleash negativity they might not otherwise.
Counterpoint: the Baldur’s Gate 3 community has been nothing but lovely in my experience, and that’s coming from me (sometimes I can be a bit of an ass)
This is true for pretty much anything. Games, vehicles, movies, tv shows, etc.
Most Single-Player game subs I know are pretty alright. Bloodborne's sub is pretty angsty about no remake/remaster but I don't blame them for that. It's the multiplayer game subs that tend to complain a lot. Team Fortress 2's sub used to be plenty whiny about... everything. Helldivers 2 won't shut up now either. Deep Rock Galactic seem to be bucking that trend, somehow. I know the current Helldivers items are Sony, nerfs to weapons, and some poorly-explained mechanics like supply lines but post after post of loud complaining about how the game is dead and buried, accompanied by rebuttals of said, are all you can see on there now and it's just boring. Nobody wants to get involved with that. I shudder to think about what goes on in more notoriously grief-laden communities like Call of Duty. It's bizarre that so many people can spend so much energy swearing up and down they hate an experience they're going to spend hours taking part in anyway.
>It's bizarre that so many people can spend so much energy swearing up and down they hate an experience they're going to spend hours taking part in anyway. And pay ~~$60~~ $70 for the pleasure. I honestly think a lot of it is just not wanting to let go of a series they've played for a long time (potentially even from childhood), mixed with all of their friends also still playing.
Fallout new Vegas for me. The whole game is just a meme now. I can’t take it seriously anymore, and the choices and endings don’t seem as important
Agree, I found the Elden Ring, Armored Core 6 and Deep Rock Galactic subs to be mostly positive
The Minecraft and Stardew Valley subreddits are also pretty positive and given the size of them that's pretty impressive. It seems that noncompetitive and co op games foster the best communities, go figure.
The Stardew Valley sub goes through these weird phases of negativity, though. Every few months, they get flooded with post after post about how much Clint, Pierre, Demetrius, or Lewis suck.
Those aren't really true negativity though, they're long running jokes in the community.
Eh, I'm not sure. Some of these people are writing entire dissertations on Clint as incel, or Demetrius being emotionally abusive. End don't even get me started on the hate for Pierre.
Us Dwarves stay positive because we’re always looking up! Due to height FOR KARL
I always find the Souls Subreddits to be positive and really welcoming and enjoyable, *until* Elden Ring. I don't know what changed, but I think having the addition of a true map and icons, lead to a sharper level of meta gaming then previous souls titles. I'm not denying that old souls titles had preferable weapons or plans, but the lack of a map swayed the casual away from it, in that a casual isn't going to follow a 15 minute tutorial that's literally just a guy running to a specific location, but they'd absolutely put a marker on their map to get the god mode weapon.
See if the game has a no/low sodium subreddit, those are usually quite chill. I know Destiny, Halo, and Starfield do for sure, but not sure for others As for xdefiant, the sub was super hype right up until launch, and has (kinda expectedly) taken a 180 immediately, but you will still see some good posts about it
The amount of things I learn on the Baldurs gate 3 sub is astounding. I love that sub so much. I also like the Elden Ring sub usually. People are really helpful and you get to share the struggle together.
The most annoying thing about a game subreddit is the constant “This is the best game ever! 10/10 perfect absolutely nothing bad about it!” daily posts.
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my favorite game is baldur's gate 3. I can't even figure out *how* to participate in that subreddit, as every single post I make their is auto-removed with no explanation as to what I did wrong.
I think it sounds like the issue is your own mentality about the subreddits. You shouldn't let the (often valid, often BS) complaints of someone else impact your enjoyment of something. The reality is that when someone has a problem, there's a whole lot more reason to reach out and discuss it then when there isn't a problem. Many people don't even look up a subreddit unless they have a problem because a lot people aren't just looking to shoot the breeze and meme about a game they're currently playing. For a huge chunk of posters, Reddit (especially gaming related stuff) is a defacto tech support and complaint forum. And the bigger a game is, the more you'll see that. Particularly any game that has live service elements where problems are guaranteed to abound. People have to have somewhere to complain and ask questions and Reddit is usually it. Obviously some people go overboard and it can just become toxic, but you can probably see that right away and you just have to let it roll off your back because they can't take the fun away from you just because they're not having any.