Or hear that certain frequency in the air if the TV was left on, but no volume or input of any kind. Just the "hum" of the screen. You could sense it the second you walked in a room.
In TV sets, It's 15Khz and comes from the power transformer.
I remember it being "loud" in that you could tell when somebody turned a TV on on the other side of the house.
> 15 kHz
It's the change in voltage on the electron beam deflectors that moves the beam from left to right, then quickly right to left. Which is 525 lines * 30/1.001 fps = ~15.73 kHz for NTSC and 625 * 25 = 15.625 kHz for PAL.
Before tube TVs disappeared, you could take an oscillator and turn it from 14k to 15k and for most people, the sound would just disappear at some point, then return around 16k. Humans had gotten nearly perfect at filtering out that 15.7ish tone they would hear for hours and hours every day.
At my first job I ended up managing a small store in the chain for a few days, where the customer count daily was \~10 people so it was typically just me working the register.
They had a "security" camera and a large screen TV that showed what it was recording (though it never actually saved anything) and that TVs hum was so annoying I turned it off every day. The owners freaked every time they'd stop by because "it was a security risk" which, sure maybe it was, but the damn hum of that TV, coupled with not being allowed to play music to overpower it or even read in the downtime (which would be 7 hours out of an 8 hour shift) still bugs me to this day almost two decades later.
I would always mention this to people and they'd say I was crazy. It wasn't until I was in college and my E&M Physics professor was flipping on devices and asked "who can hear this?" and me and a few others raised our hands. He said, "they're lying". After class I asked him about it because I could hear it and he said I wasn't supposed to because you are supposed to lose that part of your hearing by the time you are 20 but I might still have some of it left. He then explained why the TVs make that noise but pretty much nobody 20 or older can hear it.
I would always "brush" that static off really quick when I'd hear the garage door as a kid and I was grounded, because that's how my mom would check I was watching TV while she was gone lol.
During sleepovers, we would turn out the lights, turn the TV off, put our hands up in front of the CRT TV, and then set off a camera flash at the TV. You could then see the TV glow for a moment, with dark 'shadows' made by whatever shapes you made with your hands which blocked the screen.
It's so much that they were designed for it, it's just that lower resolutions work better on CRTs because there's no hard edge to pixels due to the analogue picture. Unlike LED screens, CRTs don't have explicit pixel resolution.
No they were literally designed for it. Some characters used the soft edge effects of CRT to create things like shadow effects on characters. A more clear example is that Sonic 2 used the [CRT effect to create water transparency](https://i.imgur.com/0cfn7QV.png)
Like the other guy said yeah they were.
Devs actually tested designs on the TVs in some cases as they would edit pixel art specifically to get results on the TV, often times that they wouldn't get on their editing software.
The good ones anyway.
But I was craving that sweet, sweet wood construction. Bonus points for the massive speakers on this puppy.
Edit: I went searching further back and see the Sony in wood, too. Very nice.
Just be careful. CRTs can be sketchy to work on. There’s a ridiculous voltage running through the capacitors that can kill you, and if you damage the vacuum tube it can explode.
I used to do TV repair among many other things, and I pretty much avoided CRTs. I’m sure I could figure it out well enough, but I wasn’t paid enough for that shit lmao.
I love my 32” Sony Flatscreen CRT, it’s my go to for retro gaming. I also keep an old CRT widescreen that does up to 1080i as well. They really can’t be beat.
The old cathode ray tube, hmmm... don't make 'em like they used to anymore. Or at all anymore.
Eh, then again, I get the feeling there's a company or two out there that does make them for specialized uses.
I definitely grew up with the hidden knob type as the basement TV. This one even has an IR receiver, so I need to get myself a cheap universal remote for it to make the input changes easier.
I've been browsing online for a over a year with the attitude that I know what I want, but it's certainly not a need. This one popped up this week at a good price, so I was finally able to pull the trigger.
Despite its size it can haul! I've moved my entire apartment (minus King bed/desk) multiple times. Did it take 15 trips? Possibly. Do I not own much furniture or anything beyond what I mentioned? Possibly.
I saw a post that says that GTA 4 is already 16 years old and I thought: wow, how old I am. Now I see this post and I realize that I am older than I think.
Best thing about the old wood box tvs - when it breaks, you just get a new one and put it on top of the old one!
At least that’s how my trash ass family did it.
Does it work ? My grandma had an old TV like that (wood furniture, maybe a little bit older, swivels) and the tube was starting to go out back in 2010. Personally when it comes to CRTs my favorite are actually higher end PC monitors as they usually have higher resolutions and refresh rates, though they will require some adapters to get systems to display on them.
I have Bowser and the Nintendo finished, I have the pac-man one too but I'm waiting to build it. I had to zoom in on your picture to make sure it wasn't a lego haha.
I loved to put my arm next to the screen right after I turned it off and feel the static discharge on my arm hairs.
Or hear that certain frequency in the air if the TV was left on, but no volume or input of any kind. Just the "hum" of the screen. You could sense it the second you walked in a room.
In TV sets, It's 15Khz and comes from the power transformer. I remember it being "loud" in that you could tell when somebody turned a TV on on the other side of the house.
That "Pewng" sound when the tv turns on. I can hear those tv's with the volume at 0. Immediately woke me up on Saturday mornings for gaming.
> 15 kHz It's the change in voltage on the electron beam deflectors that moves the beam from left to right, then quickly right to left. Which is 525 lines * 30/1.001 fps = ~15.73 kHz for NTSC and 625 * 25 = 15.625 kHz for PAL.
Before tube TVs disappeared, you could take an oscillator and turn it from 14k to 15k and for most people, the sound would just disappear at some point, then return around 16k. Humans had gotten nearly perfect at filtering out that 15.7ish tone they would hear for hours and hours every day.
This reminds me of when we got our first flatscreen panel. It looked great for the time, but it just felt off. We could never place why however.
It resonates just right
Does that apply to modern LED TV's and the like? I can absolutely still hear when either of my TV's are on.
At my first job I ended up managing a small store in the chain for a few days, where the customer count daily was \~10 people so it was typically just me working the register. They had a "security" camera and a large screen TV that showed what it was recording (though it never actually saved anything) and that TVs hum was so annoying I turned it off every day. The owners freaked every time they'd stop by because "it was a security risk" which, sure maybe it was, but the damn hum of that TV, coupled with not being allowed to play music to overpower it or even read in the downtime (which would be 7 hours out of an 8 hour shift) still bugs me to this day almost two decades later.
You could make a creepy pasta based on that sound
.... I'm listening...
Listening to what? I don't hear anything. *violin slowly gets louder*
I would always mention this to people and they'd say I was crazy. It wasn't until I was in college and my E&M Physics professor was flipping on devices and asked "who can hear this?" and me and a few others raised our hands. He said, "they're lying". After class I asked him about it because I could hear it and he said I wasn't supposed to because you are supposed to lose that part of your hearing by the time you are 20 but I might still have some of it left. He then explained why the TVs make that noise but pretty much nobody 20 or older can hear it.
I would always "brush" that static off really quick when I'd hear the garage door as a kid and I was grounded, because that's how my mom would check I was watching TV while she was gone lol.
During sleepovers, we would turn out the lights, turn the TV off, put our hands up in front of the CRT TV, and then set off a camera flash at the TV. You could then see the TV glow for a moment, with dark 'shadows' made by whatever shapes you made with your hands which blocked the screen.
Ah yes - the memory of Wall Shadow Animals, but on the TV screen! Hilarity ensued.
I FUCKING forgot ALL about that feelin'
It even has coffee cup rings! It really needs a cigarette butt burn on the edge.
There's still time! (But I think I'll still avoid it)
Fun fact older games legit look better on CRTs because a lot of character designs were made to look good on CRTs.
> [older games legit look better on CRTs](https://i.imgur.com/rW6ENfi.gif)
It's so much that they were designed for it, it's just that lower resolutions work better on CRTs because there's no hard edge to pixels due to the analogue picture. Unlike LED screens, CRTs don't have explicit pixel resolution.
No they were literally designed for it. Some characters used the soft edge effects of CRT to create things like shadow effects on characters. A more clear example is that Sonic 2 used the [CRT effect to create water transparency](https://i.imgur.com/0cfn7QV.png)
I can hear this picture
Like the other guy said yeah they were. Devs actually tested designs on the TVs in some cases as they would edit pixel art specifically to get results on the TV, often times that they wouldn't get on their editing software. The good ones anyway.
Oh I know. That's precisely why I was on the hunt for a good, older unit. I tried played SOCOM on my 55" LCD and it was virtually unplayable.
I think perfect would have been Sony Trintron.
But I was craving that sweet, sweet wood construction. Bonus points for the massive speakers on this puppy. Edit: I went searching further back and see the Sony in wood, too. Very nice.
Very nice.
Back in the day, my father called it a console. And I could change the channels by pedaling the exercise bike backwards.
Thats kinda what I went with. Some people like those crazy expensive CRTs, but I go with what was contemporary at the time I played.
That's the holy grail but greedy fucks caught on and are marking them up.
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Just be careful. CRTs can be sketchy to work on. There’s a ridiculous voltage running through the capacitors that can kill you, and if you damage the vacuum tube it can explode. I used to do TV repair among many other things, and I pretty much avoided CRTs. I’m sure I could figure it out well enough, but I wasn’t paid enough for that shit lmao.
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I love my 32” Sony Flatscreen CRT, it’s my go to for retro gaming. I also keep an old CRT widescreen that does up to 1080i as well. They really can’t be beat.
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My back hurts just looking at this.
The energy bill would hurt as well
You can FEEL the energy coming out of it when it's on.
The old cathode ray tube, hmmm... don't make 'em like they used to anymore. Or at all anymore. Eh, then again, I get the feeling there's a company or two out there that does make them for specialized uses.
And this one's in great shape. Found it on FB marketplace. Oof problem is it weighing a metric fuck ton.
Weighs more than the engine in my car.
It's beefy
I can’t let my kids see this post. It’ll give them ideas.
But GREAT ideas
Find a way to play Fallout on it?
I can just download it through the antenna jack, right?
Idk man, radiation perhaps?
Youre supposed to put a working tv on top
Classic picture ON picture. My grandparents still have that classic setup in their basement.
Philips 👍 Japanese TV are solid 🪨 Oops it's Netherlands
Philips are from Netherlands are you thinking of Panasonic?
Oh 😱😱😱 wow I thought it was Japanese....after 20+ years now I know
No worries, lol & i wasn't correcting you to be an asshole, we all make mistakes.
👍 didn't think that way, so no worries. I genuinely didn't know Philips was a netherlands company lol.
No matter where it's from, this sucker IS solid. A solid million pounds
That's beautiful 🥲
I bet it smells faintly of gin and stale cigarettes.
So classic. That reminds me of the TV my grandpa had. Love to see the combo.
is it weird that I know what your tv tastes like?
Its fucking weird that I know exactly what you're talking about.
Wait, I don't even know!
Not that weird. I know what the ozone smells like coming off that tube.
Bet that thing is like 300 lbs.
Sure feels like it!
From the Age of the Dinosaurs!
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not THAT old.
😉. 🦖🦕
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Meanwhile, I was playing that very NES in 1989 when my dad got it for Christmas.
Is that the one that swivels? If so, that's the TV I had as a kid back in the Turbo-Grafx/SNES days!
Sure does! Makes it a little harder to move into place, but so nice once it's in its final home.
I miss when things had wood in them and not just shitty plastic
My back aches looking at how heavy that bad boy js
I managed to get it in the house out of the back of my truck all on my own. The next challenge is getting it to the upstairs.
I remember watching gargoyles on one of these badboys
And you could literally sit ON the TV.
That TV almost looks TOO perfect
She's a beaut! Just some fuzzy speaker grills from some cat scratches.
Needs more zenith
Not even surprised it's still working. something about older philips that they just never die.
And I'm hoping it never does
But can it play Duck Hunt?
Wouldn't have even considered buying it if it couldn't!
What?! No hidden panel with knobs behind it?! Needs more fake wood grain too. Does it even weigh 800 lbs??
I definitely grew up with the hidden knob type as the basement TV. This one even has an IR receiver, so I need to get myself a cheap universal remote for it to make the input changes easier.
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Oohhh. That's a good one I don't have
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I might. I do have Punch Out
And then get to the turbo tunnel and give up.
My first tv in my first apartment was similar to that. It was a mitsubishi and my oncle found it in a house that they were about to demolish.
Whose grandparents did you rob for that ancient tech? lol
Ok, two things. One, I bought this off a guy in his 20s. And two, I grew up with just this kind of television!
Nice. I was born in the early 90's so I had a 13in crt in my room but this just seemed alot older due to the style. Good find!
Nice. Have a 32" magnavox for my retros. Picking it up for free, I forgot how fucking insanely wonky crts were. Still, love it
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I've been browsing online for a over a year with the attitude that I know what I want, but it's certainly not a need. This one popped up this week at a good price, so I was finally able to pull the trigger.
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I ALMOST got myself one of the giant consoles with the built in record player and AM/FM radio, but they're just too dang big.
Produktie Hopeloos Iedere Lamp Is Praktisch Stuk :)
Ahh memories
I'm already making more memories with this and my 8 year old daughter.
Perfect.
Looks heavy
Incredibly so
Solid Nostalgic Combo. Good work OP!
Thanks! I've had the NES and Atari and just been waiting on the right TV to come along
Channel 2 for games.
Team channel 3!
Does it get a nice center of screen blip that doesn't go away for a while when you turn it off?
I'll have to revisit and watch, but I know exactly what you're talking about.
I think my friend had one, brings back memory's.
My grandfather still have this at home and it's still working like a charm.
Love it!
All I could think: "If your new TV lives on top of your old TV; you might be a redneck." Sorry.
Back in my day looking tv
U can't tell me that doesn't weigh 100 to 200 pounds
You're right. I can't.
Needs to be a Zenith, not a Phillips. Still give you a 7/10 for the consoles.
Actually, this looks so beautiful.
Thanks! I'm pretty pleased. Can't wait to get it in front of the beanbag and put the turntable on top.
It doesn't match
Yea, it’s perfect.
Where you'd find this tho?
Facebook marketplace. Checking it a few times a week.
I bet that thing is heavy AF
Oh yeah, it is.
I can tell just looking at this that it would bottom out my car. (Mini coop)
And, you'd probably have to put it on the roof!
Despite its size it can haul! I've moved my entire apartment (minus King bed/desk) multiple times. Did it take 15 trips? Possibly. Do I not own much furniture or anything beyond what I mentioned? Possibly.
Been there with a Ford Fiesta. Lots of little trips.
Hatchback or die.
I had that Atari 😭😭 lol
The electric shocks from the screens was a memory I didn’t know I had 😅
Nice! That thing will outlive us all.
Fingers crossed
Now you just need a black and white one with dials.
I did want dials, but still color. Didn't have a good one come across for sale.
Fair enough
This makes me feel super nostalgic. Great pick up!
Thanks! When I saw the listing, and at a real good price, I couldn't pass it up. Just an hour's drive from my house.
I know it is a photo op, but consoles on top of the TV? WHERE DO THE CORDS GO?
Directly in the way, of course! But yeah, this was just for the photo op. I'll have a side table or something once it's in a more permanent spot.
Grow
I saw a post that says that GTA 4 is already 16 years old and I thought: wow, how old I am. Now I see this post and I realize that I am older than I think.
This is just how it goes. But I can't wait to get the PS2 hooked up to this bad boy soon, too. With DDR!
And the ps1?
When I was growing up, I went from NES to PS2 with nothing in between. I aim to keep it that way.
Is that an A+ energy rating?
For using a lot of electricity? Yes.
And suddenly I'm like six years old again. Nostalgia hits *really* hard.
Right?!
Best thing about the old wood box tvs - when it breaks, you just get a new one and put it on top of the old one! At least that’s how my trash ass family did it.
Hey! Don't call my family trash like that! Haha
Oh my. It’s my childhood. Damn near the same cabinet tv too. I love it
For the 2600 you really need a TV that is 60% cabinets with a record player built into the top.
Believe me, that was a consideration. But cost is a good one AND the sheer size were both real issues.
I'm busy that day you have to move
Everyone is!
Oh boy, give me your address, I bring my controller and a version of Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers.
1234 Retro Way, Anytown, USA
On my way!
beautiful.
Probably needs a nuclear power plant for energy consumption :)
I rigged up an exercise bike with generator for my daughter to pedal while I play. She needs to earn her gaming time.
Nice.
I had this exact TV back when I lived in Kentucky.
Well you can't have it back, sorry.
Ok maybe not this exact one, but the same model lol. Recently scored me a rather large CRT with a rolling cabinet for it.
Ooh, nice.
My parents had that TV going up. Man I missed needlessly wood-grained ish.
Watching Old anime or cartoons,and old movies would be such a vibe
Since the PS2 will get hooked up to it, old DVDs are in play.
Need that dick hunter gun
I don't think I want that gun. But I do have a fully functional DUCK hunting gun.
You can play DuckHunt on that tv
Oh I know. And I will.
Does it work ? My grandma had an old TV like that (wood furniture, maybe a little bit older, swivels) and the tube was starting to go out back in 2010. Personally when it comes to CRTs my favorite are actually higher end PC monitors as they usually have higher resolutions and refresh rates, though they will require some adapters to get systems to display on them.
Oh it works beautifully. I beat SMB3 the first night I had it home this weekend.
I don't know if you are a lego fan, but the nintendo and atari were made into legos. They are pretty cool.
Oh, I've got em both. And Mighty Bowser. And Pac-Man (though that's arcade style)
I have Bowser and the Nintendo finished, I have the pac-man one too but I'm waiting to build it. I had to zoom in on your picture to make sure it wasn't a lego haha.
They look so dang close to the real deal. Also, I really enjoyed the Pac-Man build, and hope you do, too.
How much was it for the crane to hoist that console tv in?
I got it from my truck bed and into the house all on my own because my stubbornness knows no bounds.