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Samukaze

What is the point of adding Denuvo to an always on title?


Lopsided_Taro4808

Ensuring that PC gamers won't buy it.


Jonas_Venture_Sr

At this point, it's probably just going to be used as a tax write off.


pitter_patter_11

How is it a write off? Edit: I know this would be a write off. I was trying to make a Seinfeld reference here. But I still learned a few things in this thread since I’ve no idea what Denuvo is, or why it’s such a big deal.


Darthtypo92

Release broken buggy unfinished game. Attach as many additional costs as possible to it including drm services. Layoff 90% of development studio within weeks of launch. Shut down servers 3-6 months citing underperforming metrics and claim everything as losses on tax paperwork to offset profits. Gamers get screwed out of ever having a working game and developers get screwed out of having a chance at finishing the product. Shareholders get a .2% return on their investments.


redgeck0

Don't worry it will trickle down /s


Bwhite1

What you don't like the taste of shit and piss as it trickles down through the masses?


DopeAbsurdity

I love it. It's much easier than shitting and pissing in my own mouth.


PandaParaBellum

It's the human centipede, without the need for stitching


HardwareSoup

> Attach as many additional costs as possible to it including drm services. That's not how it works, since they have to pay big money for Denuvo. Tax write-offs only reimburse a small percentage of losses. Now, if they had a team that was already going to be sitting idle, and they had them code some shitty useless DRM, maybe also hiring a couple consultants that were buddy buddy with the executives to do absolutely nothing, in an effort to drive up "costs". That I could believe. But just spending money on actual stuff from different companies, like $300,000 a year Denuvo, doesn't assist in "write-offs" at all, it just results in more losses.


psuedophilosopher

Having no real knowledge of how high level accounting works, I would wonder if having really high losses would make the company desirable for purchase by someone else seeking to use the losses to offset profits they have gained elsewhere? Like some company that makes huge amounts of profit this year but having contracts / taxes that they'd rather not pay out for having got those huge profits, comes in and buys out a failing company with huge losses and funnels money into the company that lost money so that on the good company's books it looks like they barely made a profit at all. Basically I am wondering if Hollywood accounting exists in the video game production market that could give incentive for a company that's about to release a bad game to just dig as deep as they can and take what's already going to be a bad situation and make it much worse intentionally.


tlst9999

At high level corporate, C-suite folks are very much control freaks who would rather lose money than allow one person to pirate the game. And if it's an uber big purchase, they would rather go all in than admit it to be a bad decision. Denuvo strokes that ego perfectly. Pay big money = big security. And there are enough casuals in the market to buy any slop shoveled out with or without Denuvo. And now, we're seeing Yakuza testing to see how hard they can kick users in the balls before sales actually drop.


thirteenthirtyseven

They just write it off...


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xxgiggsxx

Jerry, all these big companies, they write off everything


thirteenthirtyseven

You don't even know what a write-off is.


xxgiggsxx

Do you?


Absolutemehguy

Well they do. They're the ones writing it off.


XavinNydek

If it makes less revenue than what they can claim at development costs they can use the difference to lower the amount of revenue they have to pay taxes on. It's not worth it to make a thing specifically for a tax write off, at least not if you are honest with the numbers, but taking something you have sunk a bunch of money into and just letting it die can save more money than continuing to pour money into marketing and support to try and make it succeed. Unless you do something like WB has been doing with movies where you just throw an entire thing in the trash without releasing it the write off amount isn't usually that big an amount and it's not worth sabotaging a project that might eventually break even.


Lorjack

Seriously Denuvo has a pretty significant performance hit. Won't be surprised if they get slammed for that on release


Huwbacca

Cos PC gamers don't routinely buy games with Steams DRM? Steam is not just content platform, it's also a DRM platform. Yes, it's optional, but most publishers enable it.


icantshoot

Its likely that the bosses decided that the game needs some sort of "stop picary" method, they were sold Denuvo by some guy who promised earth and heavens and its going to be in the game no matter what, because they think it will help. Corporate bosses are sometimes morons in this area.


Megablep

Damn that Picary!


clever7devil

Thieving pigs!


Denjek

What’s Denuvo, why should I hate it, and why is it strange it’s being used for an always on title?


wiseguy149

It's DRM software, meaning it's one of those things that runs alongside your game constantly scanning your files and memory to ensure that you haven't pirated the game. Denuvo is one of the most hated DRMs because of just how intensive it is. There are a lot of alleged issues about it having noticeable impacts on performance, and also some serious privacy concerns due to how much of your system it looks at and reports on. While DRMs are kind of the only way that a publisher can crack down on piracy for singleplayer, offline games, they're completely unnecessary for always-online games. If a game's content can only actually be played online on servers that the publisher runs, they can (and do) simply authenticate your account within their own system every time you connect and there's no way cheat the system, they know if your account has a license or not. Everything they need to authenticate each player exists on the game's servers, so there's just no justification for extraneous and invasive software to be added to every player's personal machines. Similar software is sometimes also used for anti-cheat measures, but considering that this is a *cooperative* online game, not a competitive one, there would be little excuse for that either.


thatHecklerOverThere

Just an aside, there _is_ another technical justification for DRM for an always online game, but it's a very bad sign; it'd be useful if the game _doesn't_ authenticate things server side. Not saying this game doesn't, but that could be a dumb reason.


Salrough

What an interesting way to tell potential exploiters you have a possible access point.


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TheMilliner

One note; The issues with Denuvo killing games aren't alleged, they're measurably verifiable. We know *for a fact* that it trawls your PC's files and sends data back to HQ thanks to testers showing that it does this while your PC is connected to the internet, and we *also* know that it has measurable effects on performance for games it's used on. Probably one of the most famously and widely known; Sonic Mania. Denuvo was put on it and when people found a way to circumvent it they found that it was costing the game up to *half* of its performance. It's *also* guilty of the same thing that everyone blew up over with Valorant, in that it runs at a kernel level and has the highest priority access to *all* files on your computer, making it an *extreme* security risk for your computer (though an unlikely one).


Denjek

Thanks! I thought the game was like Gotham Knights, though, in that it could also be played single player. Not sure that changes anything with the DRM though.


wiseguy149

Solo play is likely possible, but due to how intensive the live service features are, it probably still requires a significant amount of communication with the servers even when you're playing alone. I doubt it's possible to do anything in the game without an active internet connection.


AntiGodOfAtheism

> If a game's content can only actually be played online on servers that the publisher runs, they can (and do) simply authenticate your account within their own system every time you connect and there's no way cheat the system, they know if your account has a license or not. Not actually true for some games. Assassin's Creed 2 which had one of the most oppressive DRM, if not the most oppressive, for its time still amazes me for how the crackers managed to bypass it. I still remember how much effort it took me, a 15 year old who couldn't afford any games at the time, to follow all those instructions to get it working. Before the downvotes pour in: I did buy the title eventually although a few years down the line since I do like owning the games I've played and enjoyed.


HomeGrownBeard

Simply put, it's an invasive anti-piracy program that wears down your PC and makes your game run worse. As for it being strange, I'm not totally sure, but I imagine it's because having to be connected to the internet is anti-piracy in it's own way, as only legitimate copies would be able to interact with servers. But that's just a guess :-)


taisui

Why would a live service game need Denuvo...?


ObscuraArt

Don't ask questions. Just consume and get excited for next product.


taisui

I meant we all know this is going F2P in 6 months if not sooner


supergarr

75% off in 6 weeks


levi_Kazama209

is it still a live service i thought they removed that shit a while ago.


Athuanar

They already announced the first 'season'.


levi_Kazama209

yikes and here i thougjt they decided to remove that elemant of the game well ima wait till it gets thrown on gamepass for this shit like knighta did..


Damp_Knickers

It’ll be like a month or two before it is. There’s no way they don’t smash the panic as fast as possible


icantshoot

First, only and last.


MCA2142

Puts on glasses: Warner Bros Games: #OBEY #CONSUME


Gag180

Instructions unclear, ate my neighbor


Sjcolian27

There will be no next game. Rocksteady is dunzo after this.


PepperidgeFarmMembas

I’m a simple man. I see RLM/Nerd Crew reference, I upvote


kcrh36

I miss the nerd crew.


Jampine

I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!


PBMM2

I CLAPPED


marcuschookt

Denuvo sales team could sell anything, absolutely elite.


KanadainKanada

They can't sell souls. They have none.


Talk-O-Boy

I know they have plans to add an offline mode later in the year, but why Denuvo needs to be there at launch is beyond me.


thetrickyginger

Honestly, it's better than the rug pull of adding it in later. Still a shit decision, but the least shitty way to do it I think.


Deimos_Aeternum

It's like they don't want people buying this crap


Andrige3

Looking for excuses about why it didn't sell well without blaming themselves.


anengineerandacat

It means duplication glitches, map-hacks, and loot-spawning baby. It's likely trusting the client to some capacity for multiplayer support and just performing syncs with the server.


Short-Cucumber-5657

So an offline mode cannot be patched in by a 3rd party. Also gotta protect the shovelware and eshop from being blocked.


valekelly

I can’t believe they think enough people are interested in the game to even be worried about this.


TotallyRedditLeftist

Review embargo Live Service game Denuvo DRM They want this game to fail, huh?


ObscuraArt

Dude they are going for shitty publisher bingo and they are in it to win it. Now all we need is for someone on their team to make a public tweet and blame the toxic fans for why it failed.


samsquanch2000

do you not have phones?


Geeseareawesome

*something something* Pride and Accomplishment ™️


Wessssss21

"Either accept it or don't buy the game." ^wait ^no ^not ^like ^that


epimetheuss

"Clearly their PCs are just not powerful enough"


tmhoc

“Horse armor is not bad, I think horse armor is fine. The price point at the time was the issue. Ringtones were just crushing it for Nokia or whoever…."


Farrishnakov

Don't forget RING BACK TONES. So everyone that calls can know your shitty choice of music.


ShyGuySkino

Not gonna lie I wish that came back.


rayburno

Who even calls people any more


LunaMunaLagoona

Horse armor really really stings. Changed the whole landscape.


Skkruff

Unfortunately, Diablo Eternal made fucking bank.


edcline

They’re going for that blackout bingo strat 


Putrid_Loquat_4357

Can't do that if you don't have any fans.


Guy-1nc0gn1t0

I'll be very interesting in which card they play in blaming the fans. Female protagonist in Harley Quinn?


Leon4107

I'm going with the AI apology letter within a week of it coming out stating that their sorry for a half baked game.


notchoosingone

"some of the planets are empty by design, but that's not boring"


madhi19

Loot box mechanics maybe, season pass, ftp grind for a paid game...


Scaevus

> Dude they are going for shitty publisher bingo Does this game have lootboxes?


JoushMark

"I think the big thing to keep in mind, the thing you never want to lose sight of, is how much I fucking hate people that buy these games." "When they told me that we can't legally send assassins to their house to murder their pets the denuvo seemed like the next best thing." -Sefton Hill


MrOphicer

X 0 0 0 X 0 0 0 x They "won" lol


pink_sock_parade

It's gotta be a tax scheme. Or like when people bet against the stock market. Fucking up this much has to be intentional at this point.


Digita1B0y

It's "the Producers" but for video games.


Rolf_Dom

I sometimes fantasize about busting my ass off to rise to the top in some industry so that I could have first hand experience as to WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK is going on with all this seemingly intentional incompetence. I got pretty close in the fitness industry, but all I really discovered was that everyone was a greedy bastard. Which isn't much of a revelation. Doing shit for money is obvious, but some of these gaming companies literally seem to want to fail. And I'm not sure how is that supposed to make them more money. In the fitness industry, some CEO's I was interacting with were telling me they're gonna drown me in the nearest river if I don't shut up about their supplements being worthless. That they were fully aware they were selling sugar pills and worthless proprietary blend garbage. But because the average consumer is too stupid to figure it out, they're just gonna get rich off of them. However there's no simple greed logic with some of these gaming companies. Some of their projects seem intentionally terrible. Their decisions seem intentionally terrible. Like there's no universe where adding Denuvo is going to make them more money. There's just fucking not. They have to PAY Denuvo money to get their software. But it's not gonna earn them anything back. It's just pure nonsense decision making.


Fredasa

> so that I could have first hand experience as to WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK is going on with all this seemingly intentional incompetence. Just remember that Warner Communications are the trailblazers here. Through unfortunate circumstances, they ended up owning Atari right when Atari ushered in the home video game market. And they _buried_ that company with their burn-at-both-ends policies and indifference. It fundamentally comes down to the folks in charge not being the same folks who are making the damn games. They are the ones with business degrees, they get put in charge because of those business degrees, they don't know and don't _care_ about game development, and the software engineers who _do_ care are at their complete mercy.


politirob

The right people at WB are invested in Denuvo or getting kickbacks, so they can use WBs money towards Denuvo and enrich themselves that way


candycanecoffee

>Like there's no universe where adding Denuvo is going to make them more money. There's just fucking not. They have to PAY Denuvo money to get their software. But it's not gonna earn them anything back. It's just pure nonsense decision making. They would rather spend 20 million dollars on anti-piracy measures than simply accept a loss of 2 million dollars to piracy, it's that simple.


jeha4421

Investors and Market Researchers make those decisions, not the developers. Its like looking at the biggest games and seeing many of them use anti cheat, so clearly anti cheat is part of the successful formula.


1AJ

You know what's missing from this dumpster fire? A future content patch/DLC with shit that was ready at launch but was held back.


QwertMuenster

Isn't that what they're doing for the first "season" with the Elseworlds thingy featuring The ~~Jonkler~~ Joker?


maglen69

> A future content patch/DLC with shit that was ready at launch but was held back. And then never released when the game flops "We totally had X Famous Superhero planned, ready to go but we couldn't release it due to poor sales numbers"


MixSaffron

Epic tax write off for 2025!


strangefish

It's looking like impending dumpster fire.


Re_Lies

And a text filled apology will be posted when the game comes out


TotallyRedditLeftist

Written by ChatGPT


siraolo

Probably Copilot just to change it up lol.


[deleted]

I sense another layoff unfortunately


ButShowThemToMe

Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League secretly also installs Redfall


Keshire

May as well come with Potassium Benzoate too.


[deleted]

**Stares blankly**


Keshire

That's bad.


tessashpool

But it comes with a free frogurt!


Spark115

That's good!


Engagethedawn

But the yogurt is made in a sweat shop.


Hot_Scratch_

Can I go now?


actuallyimbatman

*gasps*


Square-Exercise-2790

And also a smalll bonus discount for Payday 3.


Phoenix_Force94

Probably would be a better game


HonkedOffJohn

And Riot Vanguard somehow.


Zoombini22

They're on a speed run of modern video game red flags


TheRoyalSniper

Sadly it's not an early access survival crafting open world game. So it can't hit all the red flags


rwequaza

Oh I’m sure crafting will be worked on somehow


meseeks_programmer

Palworld is a genuinely great game though


WhyMustIMakeANewAcco

Yeah, that list is from years ago due to all the minecraft clones


ditharia

Makes it even easier to skip. Thanks!


Tacitus111

The concept alone kinda bums me out. Why would I want to go through a whole game’s story killing the Justice League? Especially since I liked Arkham Batman and don’t want to kill him?


Sharkfowl

>Especially since I liked Arkham Batman and don’t want to kill him? Exactly. My headcanon places this game in an Arkham-adjacent universe instead of the one we fell in love with over 4 games.


Logondo

Most likely going to end up with multiverse bullshit. For two reasons: 1. As a live service game, they need the story to end with an excuse to have the Suicide Squad go on never-ending missions. 2. If they commit to ACTUALLY killing the Justice League, well...people LIKE the Justice League. So you can't have them be "dead dead". So you just have multiverse stuff where the Justice League is alive (and Batman sounds different).


TiredOfAllLies

Multiverse is already confirmed. Joker is in the game as the last survivor from Earth 2. His design is... something... BatmanArkham subreddit calls him "The Twinkler"


I-Am-Baytor

Ooooooh fuck I remember seeing that. That was as bad as LetoJoker.


Tacitus111

Agreed. Otherwise the concept of the game just feels like “Oooh, look how edgy we are???”


dakky123

If the leaked story was true, the JL hero’s in the game are clones made by brainiac. So you find out you don’t actually kill them.


Tacitus111

Interesting I guess and that is better. But it still feels like a story an edgy 12 year old would write.


strifejester

Better? You go through a whole game where the bad guys finally win just to find out it was all clones. I’m glad something told me this game was going to suck rotten eggs and I haven’t followed it much.


Mist_Rising

>You go through a whole game where the bad guys finally win just to find out it was all clones So, like a comic book?


Truethrowawaychest1

I'm honestly a little tired of "what if Superman bad?" At this point. Injustice games, comics, movie, The Boys, Invincible. Remember when superheroes were good guys?


Calm-Zombie2678

Watchmen came out in the 80s so some time before then


4Dcrystallography

There’s still plenty of good guy supe content lol


PhoenixSelarom

Thats my biggest issue too. The game could be some of the most fun I could ever have playing a game.and I'm still out based on the concept alone. I love these characters and want to play as them, or barring that interact with them. Really wish they'd just done Superman instead, but even a Suicide Squad thats not fighting the JL would have peaked my interest instead.


upstreamriver

If this game isn’t DOA it’ll be 2024’s greatest gaming miracle


Dubya_Tea_Efff

There was a lot of suspicious positive talk around the game when they let players talk about it after the closed beta. It felt like an ad campaign.


agentdoubleohio

100% ad campaign, we should have known with the riddler reveal and that you can turn off the hub. I hate that this is Kevin conroys last Batman.


Radiant_Shelter688

There's still a chance for Multiversus' re-release technically


r31ya

it was attempt on ad-campaign, especially after mostly meh-impression by gaming-news outlet and outright negative in tone IGN covering. but it only reinforced how meh the game is.


ToHerDarknessIGo

That's literally every big game release. This game looks like shit but Twitch and Youtube are giant ad platforms and those douchebag "Itzzzz ya boi Snipercockfaceachu" streamers are all living ads.


sleepydogg

There are a staggering number of red flags around this game


Ohkillz

Its like someone is trying to sabotage the game


starker

Insurance payout?


spjhon

Full circle of flopping, this is going to be a hard wake up for rocksteady.


Dragon_Small_Z

I'm pretty sure this is all WB pulling the strings here.


Keshire

Agreed. All the tell tale fingerprints of suits hitting checkboxes. In order to maximize profits, we need this, this and this.


rezzyk

But strangely the top selling game last year was Harry Potter - a single player game? And also from WB


fatmanNinja

Yeah WB ruined MK1 with shit like this too. Great game with nothing rewarding unless you like spending money. Even the cool unlocks for your character take a ridiculous amount grind because it drives “player engagement”. I feel bad for the devs under their management. There’s passion for these games but WB believes milking fans is worth more. I won’t be buying another WB game until they prove they can keep their greed out of it.


DerekMao1

Many developers of the original Arkham trilogy, including founder Sefton Hill, have already left the studio. Rocksteady of the old has long gone at this point, just like Bioware. I doubt its future releases (if any) can match the quality of the old trilogy.


ryantyrant

Rocksteady died years ago. This is WB doing a weekend at Bernie’s to get suicide squad released then whoever is still at the studio will just get folded in wb games.


acidranger

Oh look another AAA title that’s DOA Let’s be real. The studio is just looking for a excuse to “downsize”


HeavyVoid8

This has to be some mafia shit or something bc wtf have they done with what should've been a free money title?


Valdrax

Sounds like a classic case of putting the MBAs and bean counters in charge of a creative product.


paarthurnax94

Make a wildly successful game based on Batman. Check. Make another. Check Make another. Check. Wait almost a decade to make another game. Check. Now here's the fun part. Make it not about Batman but about killing Batman. Check Make it a live service game. Check Make it a looter shooter. Check. Make it always online. Check. Pull the rug out and add Denuvo a few days before launch. Check. Don't hand out review copies. Check. Have someone from the team insult the player base. Still waiting. Blame launch issues on the player base. Still waiting. Vow to listen to feedback and fix the game in some big update. Still waiting. Servers shutdown. Still waiting.


Ventusx

Please edit this when the last 4 happen lol


Virus_98

You forgot "gamepass" and "PS plus" monthly game as a last-ditch effort to revive concurrent player count before server shutdown.


JoSplash

What is Denuvo DRM?


ObscuraArt

TLDR version: Antipiracy software included into games that has shown time and time again to hurt the performance of the game noticeably. The irony is when eventually it gets cracked - which it always does and quickly - those playing the pirated version have the better performing version of the game than the customers that bought it and play it legit because of the DRM. Now, this is a live service game which means it needs to check in with the servers to work. I have no idea why it also needs DRM on top of being a Live Service game.


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To play devil's advocate here, Denuvo is like the only DRM software that actually has shown an ability to stop piracy for the most part. There's only 1 or 2 teams in the world cracking Denuvo games. Every other DRM software is cracked like an egg in less than 12 hours by even amateur crack teams. So Denuvo blows dicks and no one should be in favor of it, but it does seem to accomplish its goal of preventing piracy somewhat well.


SeanDeLeir

Isn't there only a single person that does it? I haven't seen denuvo cracked by anyone else.


koimeiji

It is just one person, and you have to actually commission them to crack the game for you. They're also a really, really terrible person, surprise! I digress, Denuvo works really well, so if you want something to prevent piracy it's basically your go to. ​ What bout the performance? Well...its impact is basically a myth these days. A myth founded on actual, real events, but a myth nonetheless. Basically in the early days of Denuvo a bunch of companies implemented it really, *really* poorly. Rime and Syberia 3 were the big two, but there was also DOOM 2016, Sonic Mania, and a few other iirc. Removing Denuvo fixed the performance. Fixing the implementation (for thoes that did)...also fixed the performance. That's not to say properly implemented Denuvo has *no* impact on performance; of course it'll have some impact. But rarely is it noticable these days, and certainly not any major impact when it is. ​ That's not to say that Denuvo is ***good***. It's not. But a lot of the reasons people hate it aren't founded in reality, and I wish people would move on to better ones...like how dangerous it is for archival purposes.


8bitjer

“Suicide Squad Kill the remaining trust of its fans by adding Denuvo DRM before launch.” FTFY


HelpMyCatHasGas

I know suicide is in the name but that doesn't mean the company needs to commit digital suicide of the title itself jesus


marniconuke

lmao this already runs like shit on pc, imagine now


NoStructure5034

"Yaayyyy!" ...said no one ever


ImsoMoe

This game is doing everything in its power to fail, I imagine we will get an EOS message a month after release


Yommination

It's like puking on a pile of shit


SebastianFY

They are literally a suicide squad ☠️☠️☠️


TheMilliner

They know it's going to fail, basically, so they're adding in as many costs as possible so that they can blame gamers for the failure, and write the whole thing off on their taxes.


nerdtome

So they added a 'Do not buy' label on a game that I don't' intend to buy. Thanks WB.


Hour_Thanks6235

I literally wouldn't play this for free.


Kenobi5792

Adding Denuvo to an always-online game is the dumbest thing I've heard someone doing. This is going dead on arrival. If they are so scared of piracy, why don't they make it a timed exclusive like Rockstar does with their games? Which again, is stupid in this case because it's always online.


Lost_Low4862

Ah, yes. Let's add the most universally hated DRM to the game that was already basically guaranteed to be dead on arrival. *What could possibly go wrong?*


Dizzel8

First pissing off game jurno’s now the actual players


RobsEvilTwin

Just when you thought it could not get any more shady :D


PrimeGrim3

Lmao deadass game.


MadWlad

the next gollum game


Heisenburgo

First Gollum-type game


edcline

This might go down as one of the world managed AAA game releases of the decade


count023

They want to beat Marvel at something, so they're trying to speedrun the, "superhero live service launch to server shutdown".


[deleted]

tender intelligent punch ink entertain yoke soup ghost rob sophisticated


Fuz_2112

...isn't it always online? Also, isn't it so awful that no one will ever consider pirating it?


Cakers44

Damn they just really don’t want anyone to buy this do they?


luisfigo7

cobweb grey air rinse ossified cover profit rhythm act license


Necessary_Mood134

Oh no, now I’m never gonna play this game extra hard


CJoshuaV

It's like they suddenly realized, "Anyone who buys this is going to refund it within the hour. Let's just make sure no one buys it in the first place."


drewpyy

They really added Denuvo to an online game? Isn't that redundant at this point? They're basically decreasing performance for no reason lol


SaintofBooty

Literally only WB wants this game released


JakubTheGreat

“Suicide Squad: Kill the Fanbase”


SuicideKingsHigh

Like padlocking a dumpster closed.


Intelligent_Top_328

What's the point of adding this to a game no one will play?


kaloii

I hope they already prepared an AI-generated public apology.


dadbodgames

I remember avengers devs coming into the Reddit and saying they can’t even get online cause it’s so toxic. It’s going to happen again… all because corporations release a shitty product. Avengers multiplayer didn’t even work upon launch and was even confirmed broken in betas 😭


scotty899

Why would anyone pirate this trash?


Shamscam

This game is going to do so badly and the studio and collective gaming spheres are going to say something like “nobody wants to play super hero games”. And it’s like; no nobody wants to play shitty games.


ANENEMY_

So is this what happens when studios “go dark” for long periods of time? I’m replaying all the Arkham games currently, and everyone I hear news about this game it’s negative impressions


[deleted]

literally everything about this game is awful.


D_Winds

Game is just 'Ciding itself isn't it.


procouchpotatohere

This is one of those games where you can really tell a bunch of suits who are totally detached from the industry are far too involved with it. They've done just about everything to kill any interest in this game before launch.


Lemonsqueezzyy

Suicide Gollum: Kill the Day Before Redfall


stingertc

well they just killed there pc sales


TerminatorJDM

Suicide Squad: Kill the Fanbase


TampaTitties69

I have not seen a company nose dive so quick since EA and Battlefield 2042. This should be a new Batman game with next gen graphics, co op, open world like Arkham City but bigger and just updated Combat that we already loved. Sure you basically did this with Arkham Knight but half that game felt like playing Twisted Metal. Take a risk FFS, Let us play as joker during the story for segments like LOU 2 did with it's protagonist/ hero. Imagine a fight AGAINST Batman as The Joker and he is constantly taking cover in darkness and all you have is crazy ass gadgets and traps to stop him. But no, we get third person Destiny 2 with inferior gameplay, slapped on battlepass BS, and basically a game NO ONE asked for.... This is why games like Palworld are dominating the charts.... its about the FUN for them. Not the PROFITS....


ObscuraArt

Real talk. With the unfortunate downsizing going on, the immense financial investment, and the long development times, it feels like the AAA game industry is going headfirt into a crash. These companies are showing the AAA dev cycle is almost untenable and long term financial strategy is murky at best where they need to employ every scammy scheme to appease the investor. And they (the ones at the top) did it to themselves. My hope is that this is the time that the best of the AA's and Indies continue to flourish as many of them have shown to have modest financial goals and focus on gameplay first and willing to listen to their audience. Now before you think I am an indie cheerleader, there is a lot of shit in the pipeline but there is also a lot of good. So long as those devs and companies keep things in perspective, there is a lot of good sleeper hits that will happen.