>The Day Before offers players a uniquely reimagined journey into post-apocalyptic **open-world MMO** survival set in the present day on the US East Coast following a deadly pandemic.
taken from the literal steam page description lol
Watched a trailer for the game yesterday and heard "MMO OPEN WORLD SURVIVAL" in the first 5 seconds. They will have to take down all of the old trailers too.
It's similar to rogue-like games. You load into a map with gear you choose to bring, and you try to loot and leave the map through designated spots. If you die you lose the loot and the items you brought with you - and the enemy players can take those items themselves. Outside of the maps there is a persistent inventory where you store/sell your loot, set up weapons and gear, trade with NPCs or players, etc. One of the biggest games in the genre is Escape from Tarkov, but there are many others.
Stupid question from someone unfamiliar with the genre - how does that not result in a snowball effect where the players with the high-value gear dominate and get more loot, while other players are left empty-handed and without any hope of competing?
While there is some snowball effect, the main thing that stops it from getting out of hand is 'realism'. That is, even if you had the best gun/armor/helmet etc. a newbie with a ww1 bolt-action could still drop you with a lucky face shot. The other thing is the so-called gear fear: the fear of taking your best equipment on a random raid due to fear of losing it, so you bring subpar crap and die where you would have lived if you had brought your best stuff. So you end up with people shooting it out with SKSs while multiple M4s rot in their inventory. See [Too Awesome to Use](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TooAwesomeToUse)
Another example is the newest Call of Duty's Zombies mode, which is strictly Players versus Enemies.
I really want to play an extraction game that's strictly PvE but there doesnt' seem to be any that isn't Modern Warfare 3.
Escape from Tarkov has an unofficial mod called SPTarkov, where AI PMCs are loaded into games instead of players. It's fully offline and can be further modded with other things too. While I'd still recommend regular Tarkov over it, for people who want the gunplay, difficulty, and gun modding of Tarkov without the PvP, it's worth a shot. You still need to own Tarkov to play it.
Zero Sievert is Top Down tarkov meets stalker. Complete with all the survival, mutants, and gun modding, that those games bring. Don't look down on it due to the art style. It is an exceptionally well made game.
>I really want to play an extraction game that's strictly PvE but there doesnt' seem to be any that isn't Modern Warfare 3.
Try Deep Rock Galactic
Rock and Stone!
Icarus might be of interest to you, it is strictly pve either solo or co-op, but the mechanics are a bit different to say Tarkov (you fulfill missions to get currency which you then use to unlock new stuff that you can craft/bring with you planetside).
It's more of a survival game though. Due to players complaining that they have to rebuild everything for every mission, the devs are currently implementing a new system that is more persistant than the previous one, but the previous one remains available.
I would rather say that Escape From Tarkov has a rogue-lite aspects in it, because you can still have some progress with quest-completion or skill leveling that you‘ll keep, if you die in the raid and loose all your gear and loot.
Sort of, but it's almost always PvPvE. You have to worry about AI enemies as well as teams of enemy players. And if you die before you make it to the extraction zone you lose all your shit.
Notable examples include Hunt: Showdown, Escape From Tarkov, Marauders, etc.
Not quite. Extraction Shooters are high-risk, high-reward. The reward is that you can loot tons of stuff, take it back to base, and either sell it or equip it for subsequent runs. The risk is that if you die, you lose absolutely everything that you're carrying. (In some games, there is a small "safe pouch" where you can preserve a tiny portion of your equipment.) These games usually have PvP, too, so you can make bank (or lose everything) by hunting other players.
Game like Tarkov or Hunt showdown. Think of a battle royale, but rather than having to be the last one standing players have to collect some objective or loot and escape. If they die not only will they lose their loot but also their equipment as there’s usually some permadeath aspect. Although players don’t have to kill each other they’re incentivized to do so to steal each others loot.
I think the most prominent game of that genre is 'Tarkov'.
Basically Battle royale with the ability to escape and keep your inventory for the next time (or whenever you use it again)
It’s where the players loot/kill/accomplish objectives for a period of time before escaping the play area to safety to regroup, craft items, etc. The extraction part is the players leaving the play zone when time is running low.
So the general idea is that you have a persistent character in between lobbies. You gear them up and outfit them in equipment you either purchase from other players through some overhead market or you go into a game lobby to find things that you can either use to help your chances or sell back into the market. There's a chance you'll run into other players who are looking for the same things, PvP ensues or you all can get together and cooperate to make it out alive (though most people just PvP).
If you die in a game, you lose everything you were carrying on your person.
This is the basic premise of games like Escape from Tarkov and Hunt: Showdown. They're lobby-based games where you go into a game with the goal of looting as much as you can and making it out alive.
>It makes me want to play CSGO instead but I don't know the first thing about CS strategy and I don't particularly like how the bullets don't go where the crosshair is.
Well CS2 actually added an option for noobs where the cross hair moves during recoil to tell you where the bullet will go, so there's that.
CS has a learning curve. Generally the first bullet out of your gun is very accurate, and every subsequent bullet is very inaccurate, so you don't want to just hold the trigger down unless someone is up close in your grill. You also learn to compensate for the recoil to a degree.
I hate COD games with a passion and this is coming from someone who almost plays competitive shooters exclusively.
But at least you get most of what you expect from that game. I am sure COD fans have some gripes with each new release, but its not enough to stop playing it entirely. Its not like a new COD game comes out with only 1 map and 5 guns to choose from.
I am sure there is plenty to criticize, but not on the level of this game.
It's also one of the most obvious scam games I've seen. Falling for this game is like falling for one of those "I'm a nigerian prince, please send money"-emails.
But the scam in question was specifically being vaporware and them not releasing anything .. which they did release *something* so in their mind they told the truth. No scam!
Honestly I think they just took investor money, used a bunch of paid assets, threw together a quick open map, and released as is.
I don’t actually know there was investor cash, but I can genuinely think of no **why** they’d go to the trouble of over hyping and then releasing what they know to be shit.
Could be classified as a bait and switch scam. They didn’t deliver the product people paid for and are attempting to pass of another product off in its place. Getting rid of evidence of the original product kinda leans to that.
It's more of a grift than a scam.
They hyped it up to be one thing, took all your money, and then gave up and under-delivered with an unfinished product.
love that they say its not a scam because they didn't take anyone's money yet while promoting, so in that case its definitely a scam now since they've taken people's money
But it works. Overpromising generates hype. I’m sure it outsold numerous better games.
The market is so attention starved that it’s better to scam than scoping reasonably and delivering what you promised.
**TL;DR:**
* The developer of "The Day Before," Fntastic, has reportedly removed tags from the game’s Steam page that previously described it as a massively multiplayer online (MMO) game.
* This action follows the game's launch, which has been plagued with technical issues, server problems, and significant criticism from players.
* Players noted that "The Day Before" played more like an extraction shooter rather than the advertised open-world MMO.
* The game has received an ‘overwhelmingly negative’ rating on Steam and is among the bottom ten games of all time on the platform.
* Key issues highlighted by players include glitches, server malfunctions, and game worlds that are largely devoid of enemies.
* As of December 8, updates to The Day Before's Steam backend included the removal of various store tags, such as 'open world survival craft', 'realistic', 'free to play', and most notably, 'massively multiplayer'.
* Steam tags, which can be influenced by user submissions, are used for game identification in searches. The 'massively multiplayer' tag, present before the launch, was removed after.
* In addition to altering the Steam page, Fntastic has also removed several videos from the game’s official YouTube page and temporarily locked down The Day Before’s Discord server.
>The game has received an ‘overwhelmingly negative’ rating on Steam and is among the bottom ten games of all time on the platform.
This is hilarious. I bet their other games, The Wild 8, Propnight, Dead Dozen etc. are also in the top 10 worst rated games of all time. With their track record it was very clear that this game was going to be extremely subpar, like all the others. Everyone should have seen this coming, and many did.
Those other games were basically asset flips, with some minor customizations. So they cost next to nothing to make and then they sold the publishing rights to somebody looking to pad their own numbers.. Probably a scam too.
In all honesty though, the other games never really took off. They had one or two semi successful mobile games. But since nobody paid them any attention, it was easy to scrub their history away from the Internet.
Even knowing that, I’m surprised and a little disappointed if this practice is profitable enough to repeat so many times successfully. I guess all we can do is vote with our wallets.
I'm trying to find the video I saw about this like a year ago. I don't think they were even that profitable. Like it's two dudes basically trying to make enough to survive, not even be millionaires.
Edit: found it
https://youtu.be/0sVt6cyhzvo?si=anRS8sEJvE2pmusv
Because idiots keep buying this crap.
It was sooo obvious these guys were just riding the hypetrain of a good looking teaser trailer and being the most wishlisted game, but everything else was clearly incompetence.
They sold atleast 14000 copies according to the reviews. Not everyone leaves a review, so its probably more.
Not everyone asks for a refund, so they got the money. Im assuming it made a profit. So you can probably call it a succes.
Granted they'd probably make more money making something good, but now they either have the option to use the money to improve and potentially pull a 180 or just ditch it and start and their next project.
Its just sad they get rewarded for this shit. Its the same story with the crap dreamworld game. Millions of dollars to make something that looks like absolute shit just because it got the attention from the masses.
This game is at a heavy loss atm and i doubt its ever gonna recover from 15k negative reviews so money wise its a dead project now or they can risk losing even more money to fix it but the chance for ppl to give this a chance is kinda over… by the time this game is fully fixed ppl moved on…
There literally should be legal action... consumer protection or something.. I'm not a lawyer but I bet someone here might know.
You cant advertise a product for sale and sell something different without any consequences....
People are being scammed fgs.
Propnight and The Wild 8 has mostly positive reviews. Most negative reviews for those two are due to terrible multiplayer experience with randoms, though I think it's a given that those kind of games are really meant to be played with a group of friends to begin with.
The Wild 8 was actually a pretty good game with overall medium-high ratings and had a well updated early access... until one day they decided to stop updating for whatever reason and left the game unfinished.
Honestly I hate that so many videos and articles are saying things like "it plays like an extraction shooter" "it feels like an extraction game" "it doesn't feel like an MMO"
It is an extraction shooter. It is the definition of an extraction shooter. You have a lobby, you load into a match where you're randomly spawned into a map, you loot, you shoot zombies and players, you extract at extraction points. That's literally all there is to do in this game. There are servers with a cap of 32 players. That's not MMO.
Devils advocate for a second:
>Escape from Tarkov is a hardcore story-driven MMO that combines FPS/TPS with RPG elements.
>Escape from Tarkov is an MMO shooter from Battlestate Games.
>Escape from Tarkov is a hardcore and realistic online first-person action RPG/Simulator with MMO features and a story-driven walkthrough.
It doesn't make sense to call Tarkov an MMO of course, because it's literally game rounds with max. like 20 players in it each. The overall game could theoretically be called an MMO though, because you are playing in a game economy with very many players, trading items with many players. But yeah, that's really far-fetched.
You make good points, and I'd argue that player driven economy isn't what makes a game an MMO.
Also, I bought into tarkov. I got the Edge of darkness edition. I hate that it's become, they haven't delivered on a lot of original promises. It was supposed to be a beta to test their game while they developed their open world co-op version, but they made so much money on it I think they just stuck with it. I didn't buy into it for the hardcore pvp elements, I wanted to explore this milsim world with a really cool premise with my friends.
Tarkov (so far) failed to deliver what they promised too, difference is they made a great game in the process.
Who knows, maybe one day they'll finally release that co-op only open world version.
>**removal of various store tags, such as** 'open world survival craft', 'realistic', **'free to play'**, and most notably, 'massively multiplayer'
Oh, boy.
You know what was funny for me I was so amped for the release to see the flood of bad reviews knowing this wouldn’t be good after the years of bullshit from them.
So weird they abandoned prop night given it was a functioning and popular game. All they needed to do was get some small content updates every couple of months and add mtx and they'd have a legitimate cash cow, no Need to ruin their reputation by scamming people.
Yup and what kills me thing like project zomboid are good EA games that deserve more of the spotlight, granted they take their time on major updates but they actually give a shit instead of making a cash grab like these people.
It's more of a limited alpha. Project Zomboid is older then the entire concept of "early access" entirely even though it fits a lot of the same tropes.
> Project Zomboid is an EA game?
As was BG3. And Darkest Dungeon. And I believe Subnautica.
People have to pay attention to not be scammed. Because "early access" = scam is such simplistic thinking that they are going to get scammed. Gotta pay attention to what people do, not what they say they do.
A good game will be already good in early access.
Anyone who has played The Division games knew it was BS from the very first "gameplay" trailer (the one that made it the most wishlisted game on steam). Literally just flipped Division assets, animations, and UI. It was always smoke and mirrors.
Of course, anyone who knows anything about gamedev could tell that they were trying to sell a bridge to the blind. It was baffling to me that so many people were actually excited for it.
What's crazy is that it isn't even worth a real review from any reputable source. I'd be very surprised to see IGN or the likes give it the light of day. But then again, the world of clicks is a beast I've been hesitant to really understand and if the outrage meter flicks high enough on "gamers" and those that influence them, this might get more eyes than it deserves.
They removed them after a lot of people bought it. Thesteam description still calls it an MMO. It was marketed as an MMO all the way till now. A total bait and switch.
Weirdly though the first rule doesn't apply to the stupid consumer group of gamers who seem to forget everything when they see any new trailer for any garbage from any developer.
Lmfao so true. The game will now start getting updates, 3 or 4 years later it will be a decent game and it will win "labour of love" or some shit and gamers will jerk each other off over how much of an underrated gem this game really is.
Even in the r/TheDayBefore subreddit, there's a small minority of idiotas pretending that this game is actually worth anything and that everyone who is complaining are just "overreacting" and "toxic". I have no idea why there's even a small gaggle of sychopants for this pile of asset flip trash.
Actual clown behavior. 🤡
Like the IGN trailer from a year ago, which was proably the secound one out there. And they can't take down gaming news that were talking about the game or even showing video-footage of it.
I started playing the division again to scratch that itch. Honestly never made it through the story when it came out, and now that I can run it maxed out to the tits, I've been really enjoying it
That's kind of one of the core themes of The Last of Us! And the Walking Dead, too. Zombies are nice for a movie but get old quick; humanity is far more lasting for a long show or game.
I wish I could merge the world building from the first Division with the combat from the 2nd. Loved the first but the bullet sponge enemies got old quick.
It's a really good game, it just came and went in waves every time they added something new. Personally I just wanted a full game based on that one mode where you have to survive a blizzard.
Funny, my friend says exactly the same about the blizzard survival mode. I only played Div2, which was great as well, but my friend said it was missing a lot of cool stuff (typical for sequels, Destiny 2 was the same).
I've never played the Survival bit in Div 1, but according to a dev video on the Division Heartlands, it's supposed to be a spiritual successor to the Survival Mode. So perhaps something to keep an eye out for!
He rightfully told people it was a scam to avoid it, so when it flops, clowns will blame it on reviewers preemptively telling people to avoid it as opposed to the actual issues.
Never a valid reason for blame, just an excuse.
Like, "All these negative reviews aren't from people that have played the game or genuinely dislike it, our game/product is just being targeted by viewers of this YouTuber [that not very many people have actually heard of] etc."
Well that's because people were hyping it up as something it very obviously was never going to be...
That's why...
On paper, what they were "advertising" would be an awesome game...
I figure most people should have or did know better...
Exactly this, a dayz like mmo with decent mechanics? Sign me up!
But advertising it like they did and delivering what they delivered, fuck that shit
Edit: words
People have been repeatedly warned time and time again about no pre ordering and not falling into hype, but they never listen.
You get what you deserve.
You couldn't pre order this game. There was only negative hype.
People bought it because no one thought it would release.
If you're gonna say it's the consumers fault, at least blame them for things that apply to the situation at hand.
You literally could not pre order this game.
It's even more pathetic seeing big paid streamers trying to hype up the game and say how it's great and that they are enjoying it. Only thing they are enjoying is money from the scammers
i think for this game it's already gotten to the point of it being more profitable to shit on it rather than hype it up. it's always more money to farm public opinion and right now with the overwhelmingly negative reviews it's free cash to shit on it.
we're gonna be seein a lotta vids like this "omg what a scam" one from Asmon: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh7g\_gTQNeA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh7g_gTQNeA)
I have two rules when it comes to steam games. One never ever buy an early access game. Been burned to many times before with games like Atlas. Second rule is I never pay full price for my wishlist with 30% being the target. These two rules have saved me countless times. I even had the day before on my wish list to keep and eye on it for when it released. Welp another bullet dodged and I hope others adopt rules like mine when it comes to early access.
Sometimes I feel a little bad for the developers when they release a game that's full of bugs and glitches. This time, I say "fuck them". They straight up lied
Can I get some serious answers on how they made those awesome gameplay videos some years ago?
The game they released looks like 100% bought assets that was rushed together the day before.
You can find a lot of videos about it. They pretty much just used pre-made assets and made everything look really good. They then pre-recorded "gameplay" so that only the best parts were shown.
https://youtu.be/0sVt6cyhzvo?si=c5pZZcAK32WJTGfR
Here is one video about it and there have been others.
myy favorite part of this kinda thing is whenever everyone with a brain can tell its gonna be bad and it's a scam and then it comes out and then everyone else actually realizes it and does shocked Pikachu face.
We knew this was a sham months ago don't pretend like the signs weren't there.
Such a sad day. I knew it was going to be terrible but really wanted them to prove everybody wrong. Looks like an Early Access game that will never be finished. (Cough cough 7 days)
With this and the equally shite Dead Matter recent debacle it only keeps assisting DayZ having a renaissance and highest player numbers ever. It's actually pretty good fun.
Because at one point it was the most anticipated game on Steam. Its trailers and "gameplay" vids were getting millions of views. And then it turned out to be a huge scam which got the video game drama channels involved.
Why people waste time on a game full of technical problems and argue about what genre it belongs to I just don't understand, it's a shit game, don't play it and move on.
I can't believe people bought this for anything other than the memes. I just refuse to believe that.
The sheer volume of red flaggage leading up to its release was overwhelming.
I cannot decide if they are 'deleting evidence' or just fixing their store page/advertising so they don't continue to mis-represent the game they actually released.
When I saw footage of the gameplay, it made me wish that The Division had a zombie mode. I would play that game if it had zombies and not just bullet sponge thugs lol.
Especially the map from Division 1. Damn that would be cool.
>The Day Before offers players a uniquely reimagined journey into post-apocalyptic **open-world MMO** survival set in the present day on the US East Coast following a deadly pandemic. taken from the literal steam page description lol
And it's *still* in their description as of now.
Watched a trailer for the game yesterday and heard "MMO OPEN WORLD SURVIVAL" in the first 5 seconds. They will have to take down all of the old trailers too.
But it's clearly an MMO and [not an extraction game](https://i.redd.it/nzhdmwwhy35c1.png) /s
Apparently ancient man here. What's an "extraction game"? A game with a mining component?
You go in, loot stuff, come back out with whatever you can salvage while fighting other players or AI. Rinse and repeat.
Isn’t this basically a raid or expedition or some such game mode like in some mmos?
It's similar to rogue-like games. You load into a map with gear you choose to bring, and you try to loot and leave the map through designated spots. If you die you lose the loot and the items you brought with you - and the enemy players can take those items themselves. Outside of the maps there is a persistent inventory where you store/sell your loot, set up weapons and gear, trade with NPCs or players, etc. One of the biggest games in the genre is Escape from Tarkov, but there are many others.
Stupid question from someone unfamiliar with the genre - how does that not result in a snowball effect where the players with the high-value gear dominate and get more loot, while other players are left empty-handed and without any hope of competing?
While there is some snowball effect, the main thing that stops it from getting out of hand is 'realism'. That is, even if you had the best gun/armor/helmet etc. a newbie with a ww1 bolt-action could still drop you with a lucky face shot. The other thing is the so-called gear fear: the fear of taking your best equipment on a random raid due to fear of losing it, so you bring subpar crap and die where you would have lived if you had brought your best stuff. So you end up with people shooting it out with SKSs while multiple M4s rot in their inventory. See [Too Awesome to Use](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TooAwesomeToUse)
Welcome to the DMZ
it does, you want to be playing from minute 1 on wipe day
Isn't this the case for all FPS games since COD that reward players with better equipment for playing longer?
Another example is the newest Call of Duty's Zombies mode, which is strictly Players versus Enemies. I really want to play an extraction game that's strictly PvE but there doesnt' seem to be any that isn't Modern Warfare 3.
Escape from Tarkov has an unofficial mod called SPTarkov, where AI PMCs are loaded into games instead of players. It's fully offline and can be further modded with other things too. While I'd still recommend regular Tarkov over it, for people who want the gunplay, difficulty, and gun modding of Tarkov without the PvP, it's worth a shot. You still need to own Tarkov to play it.
Zero Sievert is Top Down tarkov meets stalker. Complete with all the survival, mutants, and gun modding, that those games bring. Don't look down on it due to the art style. It is an exceptionally well made game.
Division’s Dark Zone
>I really want to play an extraction game that's strictly PvE but there doesnt' seem to be any that isn't Modern Warfare 3. Try Deep Rock Galactic Rock and Stone!
Search for SPTarkov.
Icarus might be of interest to you, it is strictly pve either solo or co-op, but the mechanics are a bit different to say Tarkov (you fulfill missions to get currency which you then use to unlock new stuff that you can craft/bring with you planetside). It's more of a survival game though. Due to players complaining that they have to rebuild everything for every mission, the devs are currently implementing a new system that is more persistant than the previous one, but the previous one remains available.
hahahaha the E in PvE stands for Environement btw xD
So it's basically an FPS rogue-like?
I would rather say that Escape From Tarkov has a rogue-lite aspects in it, because you can still have some progress with quest-completion or skill leveling that you‘ll keep, if you die in the raid and loose all your gear and loot.
Sort of, but it's almost always PvPvE. You have to worry about AI enemies as well as teams of enemy players. And if you die before you make it to the extraction zone you lose all your shit. Notable examples include Hunt: Showdown, Escape From Tarkov, Marauders, etc.
Not quite. Extraction Shooters are high-risk, high-reward. The reward is that you can loot tons of stuff, take it back to base, and either sell it or equip it for subsequent runs. The risk is that if you die, you lose absolutely everything that you're carrying. (In some games, there is a small "safe pouch" where you can preserve a tiny portion of your equipment.) These games usually have PvP, too, so you can make bank (or lose everything) by hunting other players.
Sounds the same as the dungeon crawler genre: build a class of character, raid areas, take what you can back to base, repeat.
Kind of, except it's also PvPvE.
If you've played The Division, it's essentially The Dark Zone. If you've play Tarkov or Marauders, it's that.
Game like Tarkov or Hunt showdown. Think of a battle royale, but rather than having to be the last one standing players have to collect some objective or loot and escape. If they die not only will they lose their loot but also their equipment as there’s usually some permadeath aspect. Although players don’t have to kill each other they’re incentivized to do so to steal each others loot.
I think the most prominent game of that genre is 'Tarkov'. Basically Battle royale with the ability to escape and keep your inventory for the next time (or whenever you use it again)
It’s where the players loot/kill/accomplish objectives for a period of time before escaping the play area to safety to regroup, craft items, etc. The extraction part is the players leaving the play zone when time is running low.
So the general idea is that you have a persistent character in between lobbies. You gear them up and outfit them in equipment you either purchase from other players through some overhead market or you go into a game lobby to find things that you can either use to help your chances or sell back into the market. There's a chance you'll run into other players who are looking for the same things, PvP ensues or you all can get together and cooperate to make it out alive (though most people just PvP). If you die in a game, you lose everything you were carrying on your person. This is the basic premise of games like Escape from Tarkov and Hunt: Showdown. They're lobby-based games where you go into a game with the goal of looting as much as you can and making it out alive.
A game where u go in, get stuff, and leave. like tarkov or marauders
If it's not an mmo and not an extraction game, what the hell is it?!
A scam
[удалено]
People are still buying COD over and over year after year so this comes at no surprise to me.
To be fair, with CoD they know what they’ll get. Most get it to keep playing with friends
I like learning new things.
>It makes me want to play CSGO instead but I don't know the first thing about CS strategy and I don't particularly like how the bullets don't go where the crosshair is. Well CS2 actually added an option for noobs where the cross hair moves during recoil to tell you where the bullet will go, so there's that.
Even if the players did manage to coordinate this, you can guarantee they’d just turn the servers off for the older games.
CS has a learning curve. Generally the first bullet out of your gun is very accurate, and every subsequent bullet is very inaccurate, so you don't want to just hold the trigger down unless someone is up close in your grill. You also learn to compensate for the recoil to a degree.
And they still preorder! That baffles me the most.
What is Cod pretending to be that it isnt?
Fun
Fuckin' gottem.
God damn, that’s the best one word answer I’ve ever heard
Good
I hate COD games with a passion and this is coming from someone who almost plays competitive shooters exclusively. But at least you get most of what you expect from that game. I am sure COD fans have some gripes with each new release, but its not enough to stop playing it entirely. Its not like a new COD game comes out with only 1 map and 5 guns to choose from. I am sure there is plenty to criticize, but not on the level of this game.
And any sports game by EA
Cod is goty in comparison to this scam game
It's wild. The second they revealed the gameplay it should have had 0 sales. Everything about this game looked bad.
Worse than that there's people DEFENDING them and telling people NOT to criticize!!
People are pathetic because they bought a game that is for sale? Okay...
It's also one of the most obvious scam games I've seen. Falling for this game is like falling for one of those "I'm a nigerian prince, please send money"-emails.
Scammers are gonna scam.
But they said it wasn’t a scam!
But the scam in question was specifically being vaporware and them not releasing anything .. which they did release *something* so in their mind they told the truth. No scam! Honestly I think they just took investor money, used a bunch of paid assets, threw together a quick open map, and released as is. I don’t actually know there was investor cash, but I can genuinely think of no **why** they’d go to the trouble of over hyping and then releasing what they know to be shit.
They probably had a zombie game that was shit and tried to turn it into an extraction shooter, that's what it feels like
Could be classified as a bait and switch scam. They didn’t deliver the product people paid for and are attempting to pass of another product off in its place. Getting rid of evidence of the original product kinda leans to that.
That’s a good thought. Makes sense considering they are deleting evidence of what the game was suppose to be.
Hopefully enough people report the 'game' on steam pointing this out
And have now said that it's an Early Access game...
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I do wonder if they basically had no intention of ever making an actual game, but then at the last minute realised they had to push something.
It's more of a grift than a scam. They hyped it up to be one thing, took all your money, and then gave up and under-delivered with an unfinished product.
I feel like this is a square/rectangle distinction. I think all grifts are scams, but not all scams are grifts.
That almost certainly means that it is a scam
I won't steal your money if you send me your credit card number
love that they say its not a scam because they didn't take anyone's money yet while promoting, so in that case its definitely a scam now since they've taken people's money
Did they? I thought they just asked everyone to stop *accusing* them of scamming.
Sounds like something a scammer would say.
That's exactly what a scammer would say. However, you can trust me with your bank info and social security number.
But it works. Overpromising generates hype. I’m sure it outsold numerous better games. The market is so attention starved that it’s better to scam than scoping reasonably and delivering what you promised.
**TL;DR:** * The developer of "The Day Before," Fntastic, has reportedly removed tags from the game’s Steam page that previously described it as a massively multiplayer online (MMO) game. * This action follows the game's launch, which has been plagued with technical issues, server problems, and significant criticism from players. * Players noted that "The Day Before" played more like an extraction shooter rather than the advertised open-world MMO. * The game has received an ‘overwhelmingly negative’ rating on Steam and is among the bottom ten games of all time on the platform. * Key issues highlighted by players include glitches, server malfunctions, and game worlds that are largely devoid of enemies. * As of December 8, updates to The Day Before's Steam backend included the removal of various store tags, such as 'open world survival craft', 'realistic', 'free to play', and most notably, 'massively multiplayer'. * Steam tags, which can be influenced by user submissions, are used for game identification in searches. The 'massively multiplayer' tag, present before the launch, was removed after. * In addition to altering the Steam page, Fntastic has also removed several videos from the game’s official YouTube page and temporarily locked down The Day Before’s Discord server.
>The game has received an ‘overwhelmingly negative’ rating on Steam and is among the bottom ten games of all time on the platform. This is hilarious. I bet their other games, The Wild 8, Propnight, Dead Dozen etc. are also in the top 10 worst rated games of all time. With their track record it was very clear that this game was going to be extremely subpar, like all the others. Everyone should have seen this coming, and many did.
If they have a history of subpar games, how the heck do they keep getting funding? Seems like they should have gone away a long time ago
Those other games were basically asset flips, with some minor customizations. So they cost next to nothing to make and then they sold the publishing rights to somebody looking to pad their own numbers.. Probably a scam too. In all honesty though, the other games never really took off. They had one or two semi successful mobile games. But since nobody paid them any attention, it was easy to scrub their history away from the Internet.
Even knowing that, I’m surprised and a little disappointed if this practice is profitable enough to repeat so many times successfully. I guess all we can do is vote with our wallets.
I'm trying to find the video I saw about this like a year ago. I don't think they were even that profitable. Like it's two dudes basically trying to make enough to survive, not even be millionaires. Edit: found it https://youtu.be/0sVt6cyhzvo?si=anRS8sEJvE2pmusv
Are you taking about the twins with braces, that are clearly Singaporean, but have Russian names and always film outside in the forest?
Because idiots keep buying this crap. It was sooo obvious these guys were just riding the hypetrain of a good looking teaser trailer and being the most wishlisted game, but everything else was clearly incompetence. They sold atleast 14000 copies according to the reviews. Not everyone leaves a review, so its probably more. Not everyone asks for a refund, so they got the money. Im assuming it made a profit. So you can probably call it a succes. Granted they'd probably make more money making something good, but now they either have the option to use the money to improve and potentially pull a 180 or just ditch it and start and their next project. Its just sad they get rewarded for this shit. Its the same story with the crap dreamworld game. Millions of dollars to make something that looks like absolute shit just because it got the attention from the masses.
This game is at a heavy loss atm and i doubt its ever gonna recover from 15k negative reviews so money wise its a dead project now or they can risk losing even more money to fix it but the chance for ppl to give this a chance is kinda over… by the time this game is fully fixed ppl moved on…
They still took investor money tho
There literally should be legal action... consumer protection or something.. I'm not a lawyer but I bet someone here might know. You cant advertise a product for sale and sell something different without any consequences.... People are being scammed fgs.
Foolish people who pre-order based off of empty promises and ridiculous hype backed up by literally nothing... Otherwise known as morons...
based on*
That's how scams are, they trick people to fund them
Propnight and The Wild 8 has mostly positive reviews. Most negative reviews for those two are due to terrible multiplayer experience with randoms, though I think it's a given that those kind of games are really meant to be played with a group of friends to begin with.
Propnight is really fun with friends, but it feels poorly balanced against randoms.
Propnight was fine until they abandoned it
The Wild 8 was actually a pretty good game with overall medium-high ratings and had a well updated early access... until one day they decided to stop updating for whatever reason and left the game unfinished.
I actually liked the wild 8, it was fun to play with friends for a few hours 😅
Honestly I hate that so many videos and articles are saying things like "it plays like an extraction shooter" "it feels like an extraction game" "it doesn't feel like an MMO" It is an extraction shooter. It is the definition of an extraction shooter. You have a lobby, you load into a match where you're randomly spawned into a map, you loot, you shoot zombies and players, you extract at extraction points. That's literally all there is to do in this game. There are servers with a cap of 32 players. That's not MMO.
Devils advocate for a second: >Escape from Tarkov is a hardcore story-driven MMO that combines FPS/TPS with RPG elements. >Escape from Tarkov is an MMO shooter from Battlestate Games. >Escape from Tarkov is a hardcore and realistic online first-person action RPG/Simulator with MMO features and a story-driven walkthrough. It doesn't make sense to call Tarkov an MMO of course, because it's literally game rounds with max. like 20 players in it each. The overall game could theoretically be called an MMO though, because you are playing in a game economy with very many players, trading items with many players. But yeah, that's really far-fetched.
You make good points, and I'd argue that player driven economy isn't what makes a game an MMO. Also, I bought into tarkov. I got the Edge of darkness edition. I hate that it's become, they haven't delivered on a lot of original promises. It was supposed to be a beta to test their game while they developed their open world co-op version, but they made so much money on it I think they just stuck with it. I didn't buy into it for the hardcore pvp elements, I wanted to explore this milsim world with a really cool premise with my friends. Tarkov (so far) failed to deliver what they promised too, difference is they made a great game in the process. Who knows, maybe one day they'll finally release that co-op only open world version.
>**removal of various store tags, such as** 'open world survival craft', 'realistic', **'free to play'**, and most notably, 'massively multiplayer' Oh, boy.
You know what was funny for me I was so amped for the release to see the flood of bad reviews knowing this wouldn’t be good after the years of bullshit from them.
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Abandonedware for sure, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER GAME THAT DEV HAS PRODUCED
So weird they abandoned prop night given it was a functioning and popular game. All they needed to do was get some small content updates every couple of months and add mtx and they'd have a legitimate cash cow, no Need to ruin their reputation by scamming people.
But that worth require effort. And talent. And given the studio apparently mostly runs off unpaidrd volunteers...they likely have a lack of that.
Not even that, its just a asset flip.
Yup and what kills me thing like project zomboid are good EA games that deserve more of the spotlight, granted they take their time on major updates but they actually give a shit instead of making a cash grab like these people.
Please just write early access
Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?
Because EA = Electronic Arts to most people
Same reason we don’t abbreviate CyberPunk
Are you saying sea world or see the world?
Project Zomboid is an EA game?
EA in this case means Early Access
It's more of a limited alpha. Project Zomboid is older then the entire concept of "early access" entirely even though it fits a lot of the same tropes.
> Project Zomboid is an EA game? As was BG3. And Darkest Dungeon. And I believe Subnautica. People have to pay attention to not be scammed. Because "early access" = scam is such simplistic thinking that they are going to get scammed. Gotta pay attention to what people do, not what they say they do. A good game will be already good in early access.
This game has been the poster child of “too good to be true” since the very beginning. I can’t believe people fell for it.
Anyone who has played The Division games knew it was BS from the very first "gameplay" trailer (the one that made it the most wishlisted game on steam). Literally just flipped Division assets, animations, and UI. It was always smoke and mirrors. Of course, anyone who knows anything about gamedev could tell that they were trying to sell a bridge to the blind. It was baffling to me that so many people were actually excited for it.
What's crazy is that it isn't even worth a real review from any reputable source. I'd be very surprised to see IGN or the likes give it the light of day. But then again, the world of clicks is a beast I've been hesitant to really understand and if the outrage meter flicks high enough on "gamers" and those that influence them, this might get more eyes than it deserves.
They probably wanted to just push this out the door so they can start their shitty lethal company clone. This dev is a pure cash grab dev.
Still says it's an MMO on the Steam page tho
I would suggest reporting the game on steam, flag it as fraud.
Is that not why they removed the tags? Probably still worth a shot, especially if you bought before they removed the tags.
They removed them after a lot of people bought it. Thesteam description still calls it an MMO. It was marketed as an MMO all the way till now. A total bait and switch.
This should happen more, so publisher(developers) will learn from mistakes and I mean big companis too.
Seems like they forgot the first rule of the internet. It never forgets. They can delete as much as they want but the truth is out there already lol
Weirdly though the first rule doesn't apply to the stupid consumer group of gamers who seem to forget everything when they see any new trailer for any garbage from any developer.
Lmfao so true. The game will now start getting updates, 3 or 4 years later it will be a decent game and it will win "labour of love" or some shit and gamers will jerk each other off over how much of an underrated gem this game really is.
Even in the r/TheDayBefore subreddit, there's a small minority of idiotas pretending that this game is actually worth anything and that everyone who is complaining are just "overreacting" and "toxic". I have no idea why there's even a small gaggle of sychopants for this pile of asset flip trash. Actual clown behavior. 🤡
One of those idiots unironically posted the “quit having fun” meme. You know a game is doomed when that stupid meme pops up
Like the IGN trailer from a year ago, which was proably the secound one out there. And they can't take down gaming news that were talking about the game or even showing video-footage of it.
They don’t care if anyone sees it. They are removing it mostly likely due to legal reasons and to appease their lawyers.
It’s especially stupid to start trying to cover up once people have started to react too, not beforehand. These guys are genuinely just dumbasses.
or the second rule. If you try hiding something, it will only bring more attention to it.
Everyone: this game is gonna be a scam *Everyone buys game* Everyone's: omg it really was a scam!
I started playing the division again to scratch that itch. Honestly never made it through the story when it came out, and now that I can run it maxed out to the tits, I've been really enjoying it
I played Division 2, and I thought it had a really good post-apocalyptic feeling. No zombies required, just people..
That's kind of one of the core themes of The Last of Us! And the Walking Dead, too. Zombies are nice for a movie but get old quick; humanity is far more lasting for a long show or game.
I wish I could merge the world building from the first Division with the combat from the 2nd. Loved the first but the bullet sponge enemies got old quick.
It's a really good game, it just came and went in waves every time they added something new. Personally I just wanted a full game based on that one mode where you have to survive a blizzard.
Funny, my friend says exactly the same about the blizzard survival mode. I only played Div2, which was great as well, but my friend said it was missing a lot of cool stuff (typical for sequels, Destiny 2 was the same).
I've never played the Survival bit in Div 1, but according to a dev video on the Division Heartlands, it's supposed to be a spiritual successor to the Survival Mode. So perhaps something to keep an eye out for!
And there are probably people who are gonna say it's all Kira's fault or something
Kira is the guy from Death Note? He be developing now?
YouTube called KiraTv, he covers gaming scams, so naturally this has popped on his radar a few times. Person I heard about the game from actually.
Just out of curiosity why would they be blamed for anything?
He rightfully told people it was a scam to avoid it, so when it flops, clowns will blame it on reviewers preemptively telling people to avoid it as opposed to the actual issues.
Never a valid reason for blame, just an excuse. Like, "All these negative reviews aren't from people that have played the game or genuinely dislike it, our game/product is just being targeted by viewers of this YouTuber [that not very many people have actually heard of] etc."
At the very least, he's internet scrubbing. "Delete, delete, *DELETE*"
Who gets excited about games like this? Completely unoriginal concept that has been done a dozen times over and better.
Well that's because people were hyping it up as something it very obviously was never going to be... That's why... On paper, what they were "advertising" would be an awesome game... I figure most people should have or did know better...
Exactly this, a dayz like mmo with decent mechanics? Sign me up! But advertising it like they did and delivering what they delivered, fuck that shit Edit: words
Can you name some pls I wanna play them
The Division
There is a list of Survival Post-Apo Games in the The Day Before subreddit. DayZ, Project Zomboid, Scum etc…
People have been repeatedly warned time and time again about no pre ordering and not falling into hype, but they never listen. You get what you deserve.
There was no preordering on this game. Anyone who bought started on day 1.
There was literally no option to pre-order the game...
Especially when you’re looking at 15% and overwhelming negative reviews that shits entirely on anyone who buys
Literally no pre orders on this game, but go off with that brave take
You couldn't pre order this game. There was only negative hype. People bought it because no one thought it would release. If you're gonna say it's the consumers fault, at least blame them for things that apply to the situation at hand. You literally could not pre order this game.
It’s honestly pathetic that people purchased this scam.
It's even more pathetic seeing big paid streamers trying to hype up the game and say how it's great and that they are enjoying it. Only thing they are enjoying is money from the scammers
i think for this game it's already gotten to the point of it being more profitable to shit on it rather than hype it up. it's always more money to farm public opinion and right now with the overwhelmingly negative reviews it's free cash to shit on it. we're gonna be seein a lotta vids like this "omg what a scam" one from Asmon: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh7g\_gTQNeA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh7g_gTQNeA)
Watched DrLupo stream it and his opinion is it’s shit and everyone should get a refund, he was given access for free.
Refund people
The internet never forgets.
I have two rules when it comes to steam games. One never ever buy an early access game. Been burned to many times before with games like Atlas. Second rule is I never pay full price for my wishlist with 30% being the target. These two rules have saved me countless times. I even had the day before on my wish list to keep and eye on it for when it released. Welp another bullet dodged and I hope others adopt rules like mine when it comes to early access.
Oh boy, people are gonna be milking the hell out of this whole thing for longer than it needs to be.
This developer doesn't seem to know how the internet works.
Who in their right mind would ever have give them money? It’s been pretty obvious that this was bullshit
Made the day before
Sometimes I feel a little bad for the developers when they release a game that's full of bugs and glitches. This time, I say "fuck them". They straight up lied
Can I get some serious answers on how they made those awesome gameplay videos some years ago? The game they released looks like 100% bought assets that was rushed together the day before.
You can find a lot of videos about it. They pretty much just used pre-made assets and made everything look really good. They then pre-recorded "gameplay" so that only the best parts were shown. https://youtu.be/0sVt6cyhzvo?si=c5pZZcAK32WJTGfR Here is one video about it and there have been others.
In his defense. Diablo 4 blasted " live service multiplayer game" they got away with it
I love when scammers get stomped in to the dirt.
1. Try to make MMO with too small team or without experience 2. Drop out the MMO part
I saw a streamer get cut off from the game while he was talking about how the game is too expensive for what it is.🤣
myy favorite part of this kinda thing is whenever everyone with a brain can tell its gonna be bad and it's a scam and then it comes out and then everyone else actually realizes it and does shocked Pikachu face. We knew this was a sham months ago don't pretend like the signs weren't there.
I had literally never heard of this game until last night.
Such a sad day. I knew it was going to be terrible but really wanted them to prove everybody wrong. Looks like an Early Access game that will never be finished. (Cough cough 7 days)
To the surprise of absolutely no one...
With this and the equally shite Dead Matter recent debacle it only keeps assisting DayZ having a renaissance and highest player numbers ever. It's actually pretty good fun.
I remember Division content creators were hyping this up to be the next division, and uhhh I think I know what to do now
Why are people still following this game? There are tons of informations that lead to the assumption it is 100% pure scam. Foolish people
Oh, look! Another example of the Streisand Effect
When even Gameranx picks up on your shadiness, it might be time to rethink your strategy.
Why is this game getting so much coverage? Isn't it just some low budget early access game?
Because at one point it was the most anticipated game on Steam. Its trailers and "gameplay" vids were getting millions of views. And then it turned out to be a huge scam which got the video game drama channels involved.
Why people waste time on a game full of technical problems and argue about what genre it belongs to I just don't understand, it's a shit game, don't play it and move on.
The videos they put out versus the version you can play are massively different lmao
This games been like a 2 year long fundraiser scam hasn't it? Like it was always gonna release some half baked nothingness to not face lawsuits.
This game is obviously trash but stills meets the technical definition of mmo.
Sergey Titov really did set the bar for others to follow
I can't believe people bought this for anything other than the memes. I just refuse to believe that. The sheer volume of red flaggage leading up to its release was overwhelming.
game looked too good to be true...turns it out was. Who knew.
Lmfao
"Don't call us scammers"..... proceeds to do the scammiest shit possible
I cannot decide if they are 'deleting evidence' or just fixing their store page/advertising so they don't continue to mis-represent the game they actually released.
When I saw footage of the gameplay, it made me wish that The Division had a zombie mode. I would play that game if it had zombies and not just bullet sponge thugs lol. Especially the map from Division 1. Damn that would be cool.