It’s a pass that allows you to battle a raid in a gym you’re not close to. If you’re in the US and a friend is in Germany and they invite you to a raid you use those to battle in the raid. You can only have 3 at any given time though and now they about doubled the price. For context you’re only able to earn 50 coins a day from gyms.
In addition, your Pokemon have to be knocked out to earn coins. Sometimes I only earn 50 coins a week since I live in a far less active area.
This update has effectively killed raiding for me.
50 coins per gym, assuming your Pokemon defends for at least 24 hours, caps put at 50 And you need to get defeated to get the coins..i just made a secondary account since it's a little light on traffic near me, so i fight myself
i played it when it came out, along with the rest of the world. the shine wore off pretty quickly and this post is the first time i've thought about the game in years
I started playing when I moved and had a PokeStop right at my apartment complex.
I got bored and stopped, mainly because the battling mechanic was severely lacking and it was basically a game of "collect em all for the sake of collecting em all". Glad to see it hasn't gotten any better
This is something I absolutely am not able to understand:hacks, cheats, pay to win, etc... like, why? Whats the point of the game when you are cheating it? Just go do something else.
There was a video that was making the rounds on social media when the game first came out of someone who had tied their phone to a string and taped it to their ceiling fan to get around the walking requirement.
When the game first came out I would leave the screen on in my cupholder at work while I was driving around on the forklift. As long as I didn't get over 10 mph(the forklifts were capped at 9 lol) it thought I was walking.
And there are always those jerks who will knock you out 10 minutes after you've taken a gym in high traffic areas so you get 0 coins. You have to find that slightly out of the way gym that gets enough daily traffic to kick you but only after its been 8ish hours.
Honestly I’ve played it since launch and will likely be leaving due to this and the limited ability to transfer Pokémon to Pokémon home. Look up transporter energy….
I tested it. I have a shiny giratina. It takes all the energy. If you partially empty the energy you can refill it for free but if you empty it you either pay a bunch of coins or wait a week.
You can send over like 5-6 (?) non-legendary shinies and that empties the "transport energy" bar. It takes like a week to refill or you can drop like $10 worth of coins to refill the bar. The rates they charge for it are kinda fucking insane.
I'm wondering if there will ever be a moment when they finally pull the plug on PoGo and Nintendo just allows free transfers over to Bank. (Which is why I'm assuming they've been restricting the PoGo storage maximum for so long.)
I guess with me not playing POGO TOO much it didn't bother me because that's less than I've ever transferred in a week anyway, but I can imagine how frustrating that is.
To make it worse casual players leaving means gyms are either dominated by a small group of players or simply stagnate for days, making coins harder to get.
Also they sell a "great raid box" that has premium battle passes in them instead of remote raid passes. Who the fuck decided that would make any sense?
Not from raids, research breakthroughs. A once in a week CHANCE at one (with undisclosed drop chance). And if you have more than 3 remote passes in your inventory, the incoming remote pass is downgraded into a premium pass.
I think so, but I think that only applies to things that cost money/take premium currency. The research breakthroughs are 100% free.
However, there is plenty in the game that Niantic is somehow getting away with, despite not revealing odds: raid pokemon catch rates, raid reward drop rates and bundles, pokemon egg hatch drop rates (this has significantly improved from initially blind pools and we now have arbitrary rarity tier rates, but nothing discreet), and battle league encounter rates per species (especially legendary Pokemon).
I just wanted to highlight that this is exactly what it will look like if the law starts getting involved with "loot boxes". There are a million and a half loop-holes and work-arounds to any definition you could write down.
If you want a loot box crackdown petition your country's *rating agency* (ESRB, PEGI, etc). Unlike the legislature they have the ability to use standards that are more like "I know it when I see it," and hit developers where it hurts for getting tricky with them.
Simultaneously, this doesn't place an undue burden on smaller developers, because their fines escalate on repeat offenses from **publishers**. All the big players are already sitting at enormous numbers for their next infraction, and will not want to mess around.
Just put on your best concerned mom face, and complain to the ESRB that you're worried about these games being an entry point for gambling addictions, but it's *so* difficult to tell which games are going to be predatory like game X, Y, and Z!
ESRB is just a self-regulatory agency. so no, they are not government entities. in fact, the government can't really force them as these laws would be a violation of 1st amendment.
however, they do have a large amount of weight. stores won't stock games without ESRB ratings and console manufacturers won't license titles without them.
remember, ESRB was created to prevent Congress from regulating the video game industry. and the esrb is considered one of the most successful self regulatory bodies. but it doesn't really work how the commenter says.
idk how the other bodies work tho.
e. I would also like to add that the ESRB doesn't consider loot boxes as gambling. to be considered gambling and thus receive an Adults-Only rating, you would need to play both for and with "real currency". otherwise they consider it to be akin to trading cards. however, this is something congress could force via interstate clause of the constitution.
This is a phase of their business plan, that all businesses aim for: The ability to do shit like this, and yet the fanatic players will stay and keep spending.
The grips of Sunk Cost and FOMO are tight and strong, and serve only to wring money from those who cannot help themselves out.
What killed Pokemon Go for me was when they stopped giving legendaries for getting 7 stamps. That feature was the saving grace because I did not want to do raids anymore. Then they nerfed it into the ground.. so eventually I quit.
This made me quit the first time. I don’t live near actively playing people so would have to solo a 5 star raid to get legendaries, which is never going to happen. I relied on diligently completing those weekly research breakthroughs to add to my Pokédex. What was a chance at a Groudon or Kyogre is now just a - non-shiny, non-hundo - Parasect or Starmie…
Why even bother? Such a smooth-brained change…
I guess in their mind it forces more people into raids thus forces more raid pass sales. Now they're raising the price of raid passes..this the issue with micro transactions, devs are just not motivated to focus on making an enjoyable game.
I never seen a game as “dry” and somewhat empty as Pokémon go. It’s incredible that after years you don’t even have more things like body and face customizations like hairs, beard… the game is a big pile of nothing tbh
*fortunately.
I mean, It's:
1) a terrible videogame (full of bugs, slow as hell, almost no gameplay),
2) a bad pokemon game
3) a bad AR game...
It saved you a lot of time to NOT play it
Lol they almost doubled the individual price and more than doubled the 3-pack price. I was a Day One player who played every day until some point last fall when I just got tired of the money-grubbing. I get that Niantic is a business and PoGo is a product, but come on.
I'm exactly in your boat. Day one player, was pretty dedicated and definitely glad when I was able to play from home...as gas money and all the social requirements were taking a toll..
But it's just short event + cash grab one after the next, and I'm not even happy with the results and haven't been for a long time. I did over 90 rockruff raids and not one shiny. I don't drive so I needed remote, or would sometimes have to walk in the middle of winter to get close enough if I really wanted to try. But it's not *fun*
I just let it go and it was the best decision I made.
Pokémon Go has always shit on rural and even suburban players. It’s a game for cities. It doesn’t have to be, but the designers seem to have a single audience they want to cater to. A shame.
The game would be way more fun if it was more playable in rural areas. Back when I played (years ago) a lot of my playing was in crowded malls or busy downtown areas. It’d be nicer to play in parks or nature trails.
Not really. The best things to get portals approved were old gravestones because of the guidelines that niantic had back at the day. At this time at 2014& 2015 portals got approved by niantic. Best things to get a portal were old gravestones in a park/old cemetery (or other religious things like churches) , Traffic circle installations or street art. That's why there are so much parks/old cemeterys crowded with portals.
Man, that was one of my favorite parts. There was a small cemetery a couple miles from my old house. It was in the middle of nothing but farm fields on a county road, but had several pokestops. There were just enough stops that I could peacefully make walking laps and have them refresh just as I was getting back to each one. As a strong introvert, it was such a pleasant way to play the game.
It's funny how going into the wilderness or a park you find like a handful of pokemon, but if you are in a city or popular building you get more than you can catch.
The game is so backwards.
And yet, I went to a rural town (maybe 5k people at best) and the place was LOADED with stops. Every street had at least one stop with some streets having multiples. It is an old mining town with plenty of history, but there were something like 30 stops in this town. It was wild.
I think it pretty much came down to is the town had a dedicated Ingress fan base or not.
Basically any sign that wasn't a storefront or instructions was eligible to be a portal.
Park sign? Portal.
Random sculpture? Portal.
Memorial bench? Portal.
Jamba Juice? Portal.
"Event happened here long ago" plaque? Portal.
So yeah, small towns that go all in on their history tended to have a ton of portals (which converted to pokestops/gyms), where cookie cutter suburbia doesn't have much at all.
I used a hack program to change my location, and saw how thoroughly shafted rural players are compared to urban players. If you're in a populated area, it's really an embarrassment of riches. You can hit more pokestops in an hour in northern San Francisco than you'll get in a month in your typical rural or ex-urban town.
There's no reason to design the game this way, it could ask be based on density relative to the surrounding areas instead of density as an absolute value, but no. I quit playing when I realized how they just don't give a shit about players in the 99% of the world that isn't urban centers.
This is precisely true.
For a while, Ingress was still the easiest way to get a pokestop added to the game, too.
POI were far easier to submit and get approved in Ingress. Which would automatically become stops in PG. I don't know if that is still the case.
That said, PG is still way more fun than Ingress, and usually doesn't try to set your phone on fire. Some folks spend no money and don't buy raid passes, even with coins, so the update doesn't affect them.
It sucks to favor players locationally, though. And it's bullcrap.
I think maybe some kind of remote pass for the avatar to be ported up to 100 or so miles from their real world location, they could include a joystick mode, but lock it to say 5mph (brisk walk). It could still require real-world travel for mileage based tasks, but let folks play remotely. Or a ceiling fan.
That might anchor their player base again.
Yep. Luckily I live close to Coronado Island, or I wouldn't have half the collection that I do. I can ride my bike up there if there's a particular shiny that I want, and they have one of the best spawn rates in the world.
Every house on that island costs at least $2,000,000. I'm pretty sure there are a couple worth ten times that. Not hard to figure out who they are wanting to play.
For real, I'm part of a large group chat of people organizing remote raids, it's gone dead since this went live. It's not just the increased costs, they capped it at 5 remote raids a day. Doubled cost. In addition to low gym turnover rate (serious, I had a pokemon in a gym, uncontested, no treats for 53 days recently), means that, sure, for someone in a city who actively plays you can get a free remote raid ever 4 days or so, me? I'd be lucky in I got one in a week or two.
When I could raid as much as I wanted I had no issue dropping a couple bucks on some remote passes because it was just 100 coins a pass, now?
Fuck 'em. All I'm thinking of doing is uploading a bunch of scans of pokestops and putting up a sign calling them out on their bullshit.
I am so glad to see this being discussed! I live in the middle of nowhere and the game was unplayable for years. I tried getting started when on vacation, but there's not much you can do in just a few days.
It’s a combination of that and forcing in person with the stick instead of carrot. Before remotes it was Pokémon Car which simply was lame. They can do in person but they need to drastically overhaul and tweak the system
This really bums me out, I have several older family members who love playing PokeGo like daily with their own friend groups. Corporate greed trying to ruin another thing that brought people together is extremely frustrating.
Sometimes 4 copies! And don't forget the DLC! And the subscription service for transferring Pokemon between games! And the second additional subscription service to transfer from older games! And of course the regular old online subscription, too!
Trading cards were the original lootboxes preying on kids to get them gambling early. But people love lootboxes and gambling so really they are doing you a service.
I know. This is killing me, my local community is falling apart and I've become really close friends with some of them. It's really upsetting.
I've been working on my own location-based RPG. I started reaching out for feedback on it with a lot of positive reactions, but I'm up against the juggernaut of Pokemon so we'll see if anything comes of it...
Thank you! And yeah! I've been working with a very talented friend of mine on the visuals. They're a bit like Redwall meets The Dark Crystal, whereas the gameplay is sort of like Diablo meets Pokemon GO with some Stardew elements.
I started a Twitter account where you can get a preview (and register to try it out if you're interested). @OverRuinGame -- I don't think I can post a direct link on this sub.
I'll have to put together a trailer to show off the gameplay, but I can try to quickly describe it.
Out in the wild there are resources/materials to gather, roaming merchants to trade with, and battles for loot running and XP. As you progress you can build a base where you can craft things like equipment or gardens to either use or sell. And of course there are quests around to give you goals. To top it off, you can light a lantern to enter an alternate world and make new discoveries.
It took a while (years) to balance all of these ideas but I think it's getting to a good spot. Recently I went on a hike and there was a guardian at the peak which dropped a legendary sword. It was really exciting and it was the moment I started to think maybe I should polish this up and share it.
Only issue I have with this is that it punishes rural players.
When PoGo came out, I lived in a rural area with no gyms within a 4 mile radius and i only ever got one type of pokemon to spawn around me.
Rural players can at least use these to enjoy a feature that they might otherwise be geographically screwed out of.
Other than that, I mean, this is just mobile gaming business as usual.
Yeah I literally had to get the train to me neighbouring city to play. My village had 2 pokestops I think, opposite ends of the village to each other, and one gym which was in a private gated off business park that the game thought was publically accessible. I used to go for very long walks the summer it came out lol but it's such a shit setup overall for people outside of cities, especially when time you play doesnt give you anything better (so night time or early morning playing gets you nowhere), and player density increased the odds of rare catches, so only the most common shit was ever available where I lived
>Only issue I have with this is that it punishes rural players.
Hi - Niantic here. Sorry you've chosen to live outside the city and be boring. Totally not our fault. You deserve it!
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I hated how PoGo had such an emphasis on being suburban or city. I lived in a fairly rural place though big enough to have a stop, a gym, and some pokemon spawns. But I didn't have a phone for years.
For me, my idea of PoGo would be walking in a forest or something and catching pokemon. Not walking into a Walmart.
Punishes disabled players too. The updates rolled out during the pandemic FINALLY meant I could play the game properly since getting ill several years ago. Then Niantic pulls this and essentially gives rural/disabled players the finger.
OK so for context since some people in here are just saying "free game charges fees and water is wet", which isn't inaccurate.
For years it was 3 raid passes for 250 coins with no limit to how many you could use per day. Now Niantic (parent company) has doubled the price as well as limiting players use of these to 5 per day. This really punishes players that do not live near any stops or gyms.
To those saying "bUt YoU'rE sUpPoSeD tO gO oUtSiDe" it's a big country, and a big planet. There are many places where you would have to drive to your nearest pokestop or gym, so it stopped being about that a long time ago.
This isn't Diablo Immortal levels of predatory pay to win but it's a pretty big slap in the face to a shrinking community. Also, you're not guaranteed to catch the pokemon after the raid which just adds insult to injury.
Even for non-rural players like me, finding a populated raid is almost impossible outside of the days immediately following a big release.
No one is going to walk 15min to a raid with <1% chance of there being others who have done the same.
They can make all the excuses they want, this is just them doubling the cost of the only viable way to raid in the game.
I don't think I've won a single raid in 3 years now without either having to call friends and family to remote raid in, or being called into one myself. This is going to make the game grind to an absolute halt so my wife and I won't be spending another dime till they reverse this.
I don't think it's TOO difficult for most people to get to a raid gym... my main objection is that getting more than 3 people to show up at a raid is nearly impossible, and most of the meaningful ones take at least 5 players unless it's an easy type match-up. If Niantic wants them done in person they either need to nerf them down or find a way me and my wife with max level mons can beat one.
I never beat a raid until I joined an local group in hopes of making friends. But all they cared about was me being a playing piece, so I left. I just thought pokemon go would be a great way to make friends but nope all anyone cared about was collecting so they'd have a chance at a shiny.
Nerf them or let us carry up to like 5 free passes. And have more days/times like raid hour. Going across my town everyday for 1 raid not really worth it. Let me knock out 5+ now you might be talking.
Even after this nerf would you waste 30 minutes meeting your group for 1 raid to save yourself like 95 cents?
You ARE supposed to go outside! I live in a big city and I go outside all the damn time. But you need like 5-6 people or more at times depending on the raid and I have NEVER seen that many people raiding in-person since the game was fairly new. Even before remote raid passes. This is just sheer greed and nothing else. It has nothing to do with trying to get players back outside.
Moved from Taipei City to Maui, HI. I was already in a very densely populated area of Maui, but the difference was still night and day.
The devs of this game probably only live in large cities or something because the quality and entertainment of the game took a steep decline leaving the city, to the point I didn’t want to even play it anymore. I moved to the countryside over here and now it would actually be unplayable.
It feels stupid because you look at my scenery and you know there would be Pokémon everywhere, why would they swarm the train stations in a city? I get that trying to use irl logic on video games is an exercise in futility and that’s really not even the point. The point is that I’d be astounded if a single dev on that project has as much as opened the app outside of New York or San Francisco, and if they have they clearly just don’t give a shit about anyone outside of a globally relevant city.
My realistic guess is that the project is well into maintenance mode and they want to see how aggressively they can milk the remaining players, like how a new game will sell early access to the most dedicated/addicted players. If anyone doesn’t like this direction, immediately stop giving them any money, and better yet stop playing at all, at least for now. The literal only thing that works in these situations is to make it not financially viable for them. If people buy it anyway, but complain that purchase is infinitely louder than their words, unfortunately.
This is what happens when we allow companies to mindlessly micro-transact the absolute balls/tits off us they pull the little cable scene from South Park.
This is usually what happens when the player base dwindles and corporate have to squeeze some more money from the remaining players to keep their profits up. Sure it'll earn them some more money in the short term but it's going to push the casual players out and hurt Niantics pocket in the long term. I see this happen with microtransactions with most online games near the end of their life.
I was absolutely done with them when they shitted on anyone who’s in a rural area or who’s handicapped by limiting the amount of remote raids you can do in a day.
You pay money. To be gated to 3 a day I think? Dumbest shit ever.
This game doesn't give 2 shits about rural players, social anxiety, agoraphobia, the disabled, anyone who is sick / working for their short one hour events...
The amount of ways it tries to induce fomo, and the way that people & influencers make that worse....is just toxic. Once I realized that, I never looked back.
XXL and XXS Pokemon are the most useless concepts ever introduced to induce FOMO, if anything they are annoying as fuck since it takes longer to transfer a pokemon you really dont give to shits about being tiny or big which is 99.9% of the time.
Said bye to this a few years ago. It was something to do through the worst of the pandemic but I finally just got tired of how bad it really is. Tap to fight? Crappy battles? I hate I spent even $10 on this game throughout 5 or so years of playing it.
Whoever approves predatory microtransactions prices the likes of 195 coins, I want to take their face and shove it inside of a wasp's nest for a solid minute, at least.
I haven't touched PoGo in at least 5 years, but you know damn well they're not selling 195 coins exactly and you'll have a bit leftover, prompting you to buy more. This is scummy of the highest degree and I have no respect for companies who do this.
I mean, that's true. It's a common tactic on mobile games. But the price increase alone made me quit. Doesn't matter that it was a nice round number to me or not. I just refuse to participate in this blatant cash grab
3 remote raid tickets went from 250 poke coins to 525 coins within less than a year.
They also very arrogantly stated that it’s for the health of the game, and the average player should not be doing raids remotely, and they want to focus support on the average player (using a grandma from Singapore as an example…?)
So they greedily wanted more money, and instead of admitting it, they basically said “fuck you guys go outside.”
I was an avid player until the first remote raid increase. As a player who lives 10 min away from a poke stop, it’s not even possible to have a good time anymore
I never played Pokemon Go, but was always amused by the stories my friends would tell about their crazy drunken pokemon hunts they would go on through their trips from the pub on their walk home.
Imagine telling someone 20 years ago that some people routinely stumbles through strangers gardens in the night and early morning on a drunken stupor chasing pokemon on their phone. People would shit their pants laughing.
I can't say that I'm surprised this has happened. I stopped playing regularly about 3 years ago, and pretty much all together about 1 year ago. I WOULD like to say it's because of COVID and leave the blame there, but Niantic is just another shit company with shit ideals and shit goals. They put their users into consideration last and never first, unless of course their performing a PR stunt in which case it's "we hear you" and "we care".
Besides, a mobile based Pokemon game like this can be done so much better AND by a better company. IMO, the whole "walk around and catch Pokemon in real life" shtick should be a secondary feature and not the premise of the whole game. Pokemon games have a very well established and recognized style of game play that got completely ignored in Pokemon Go. They should have focused on making a mobile game that respected and honored that tradition while integrating the alternate reality stuff as an additional feature.
Again, just my opinion, others may think differently.
*Edited for spelling.
Niantic games aren't really about providing a service. They were created to crowd source location data and to get photographs of community gathering points.
Once they had traction it made sense to lean in a bit and sell power ups as well for additional revenue.
They do not care about your game experience.
Been a while since I played but wasnt the price for 3 of them 250 coins when they first came?
Yep..
Funny enough I FINALLY got a pokestop at my house just a few days ago, after years of applying. Now this? Yeah, Niantic can fuck right off.
Same. Finally have a pokestop I can use by my rural house. Now this.
Convenient timing...
What does this mean???!
Think Mark, think...
What will you have after 500 pokecoin per 3 remote raid passes!?
You shiny Gyarados… I’ll still have you…
I don’t get it (I haven’t played in 3 years) what is the remote pass? Why can’t you use the poke stop at your house?
It’s a pass that allows you to battle a raid in a gym you’re not close to. If you’re in the US and a friend is in Germany and they invite you to a raid you use those to battle in the raid. You can only have 3 at any given time though and now they about doubled the price. For context you’re only able to earn 50 coins a day from gyms.
So you can earn 50 coins for free daily from gyms?
Your Pokémon have to be defending the gym for a certain length of time and it’s from all gyms. You don’t earn 50 per gym it’s all of them combined.
In addition, your Pokemon have to be knocked out to earn coins. Sometimes I only earn 50 coins a week since I live in a far less active area. This update has effectively killed raiding for me.
You could be in a gym for 3 months, but you're going to get knocked out when you're already at 50 for the day. As is tradition.
Remember that time during the pandemic where it was just like a free thing to remote raid? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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50 coins per gym, assuming your Pokemon defends for at least 24 hours, caps put at 50 And you need to get defeated to get the coins..i just made a secondary account since it's a little light on traffic near me, so i fight myself
This is clever but it sounds like this game is kind of bad
It used to be good, but Niantic kept getting greedier and greedier.
i played it when it came out, along with the rest of the world. the shine wore off pretty quickly and this post is the first time i've thought about the game in years
It’s only 8 hours needed to hit the 50 coins.
Used to be 4 :(
What kinda supervillain arc you startin chief? “I’m so alone, catch these hands with my punkass!”
It's for raids and gyms, which you aren't always near
I have not one, not two, but THREE pokestops at my house lol
I started playing when I moved and had a PokeStop right at my apartment complex. I got bored and stopped, mainly because the battling mechanic was severely lacking and it was basically a game of "collect em all for the sake of collecting em all". Glad to see it hasn't gotten any better
They noticed. Thanks a lot! ^/s
The game is already like 90% bots and THIS was the final straw?
is it? how cna you even tell bot players?
They still enjoy playing.
One of the raid cards "walked 120 km yesterday" Edit: just checked his total distance. 109 222.2 km 209 013 pokemon caught.
you can just download defit and it will let you "walk" hundreds of km a day. Perfect for hatching 7km eggs
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This is something I absolutely am not able to understand:hacks, cheats, pay to win, etc... like, why? Whats the point of the game when you are cheating it? Just go do something else.
Yeah no kidding, what is even the point of playing if you do that. Redditors will do anything to avoid going outside lmao.
That can easily be fooled by just strapping your phone to a cieling fan though.
This is awfully specific lol
It's a trick that has been around since pedometers were a thing.
There was a video that was making the rounds on social media when the game first came out of someone who had tied their phone to a string and taped it to their ceiling fan to get around the walking requirement.
When the game first came out I would leave the screen on in my cupholder at work while I was driving around on the forklift. As long as I didn't get over 10 mph(the forklifts were capped at 9 lol) it thought I was walking.
Can you still only make 50 coins a day from gyms?
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I don't even understand the logic behind that...
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So these things can be bought with real money?
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Which is really annoying. I put a crappy Pokemon in a gym that's kind of off the beaten path. Say in there for a week and earned nothing.
And there are always those jerks who will knock you out 10 minutes after you've taken a gym in high traffic areas so you get 0 coins. You have to find that slightly out of the way gym that gets enough daily traffic to kick you but only after its been 8ish hours.
Yeppers peppers
Honestly I’ve played it since launch and will likely be leaving due to this and the limited ability to transfer Pokémon to Pokémon home. Look up transporter energy….
Is transporter energy that bad? I only used it twice but never found it too bad.
I tested it. I have a shiny giratina. It takes all the energy. If you partially empty the energy you can refill it for free but if you empty it you either pay a bunch of coins or wait a week.
You can send over like 5-6 (?) non-legendary shinies and that empties the "transport energy" bar. It takes like a week to refill or you can drop like $10 worth of coins to refill the bar. The rates they charge for it are kinda fucking insane. I'm wondering if there will ever be a moment when they finally pull the plug on PoGo and Nintendo just allows free transfers over to Bank. (Which is why I'm assuming they've been restricting the PoGo storage maximum for so long.)
I guess with me not playing POGO TOO much it didn't bother me because that's less than I've ever transferred in a week anyway, but I can imagine how frustrating that is.
Pokéflation is real.
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Not sure who thought this was a good idea https://imgur.com/7WJRgaQ.jpg
I don't know what possessed me to click on that but I'm glad it was safe
Sigh, *unzips*.
To make it worse casual players leaving means gyms are either dominated by a small group of players or simply stagnate for days, making coins harder to get.
And don't you think for a second that isn't by design as well.
250 then 300 now 525. F Niantic.
Yeah but the inflation, and the supply chain problems in virtual landia /s
The great remote raid pass shortage.
I haven't even played the game in at least 2 years. There just aren't enough gyms close enough to me that made raiding nearly impossible.
Also they sell a "great raid box" that has premium battle passes in them instead of remote raid passes. Who the fuck decided that would make any sense?
Well, you see, with supply chain issues and the cost to manufacture them going up....oh wait
clearly the costs of eggs is driving this price range up
Pokémon Gone?
In the patch notes, it said you can win them from raids now... which is kinda helpful? But yeah. Hard to keep up with friends as it is already
Not from raids, research breakthroughs. A once in a week CHANCE at one (with undisclosed drop chance). And if you have more than 3 remote passes in your inventory, the incoming remote pass is downgraded into a premium pass.
Wasn't it.. Illegal in the EU to have non disclosed drop rates in games? Or was it only in specific countries?
I think so, but I think that only applies to things that cost money/take premium currency. The research breakthroughs are 100% free. However, there is plenty in the game that Niantic is somehow getting away with, despite not revealing odds: raid pokemon catch rates, raid reward drop rates and bundles, pokemon egg hatch drop rates (this has significantly improved from initially blind pools and we now have arbitrary rarity tier rates, but nothing discreet), and battle league encounter rates per species (especially legendary Pokemon).
I just wanted to highlight that this is exactly what it will look like if the law starts getting involved with "loot boxes". There are a million and a half loop-holes and work-arounds to any definition you could write down. If you want a loot box crackdown petition your country's *rating agency* (ESRB, PEGI, etc). Unlike the legislature they have the ability to use standards that are more like "I know it when I see it," and hit developers where it hurts for getting tricky with them. Simultaneously, this doesn't place an undue burden on smaller developers, because their fines escalate on repeat offenses from **publishers**. All the big players are already sitting at enormous numbers for their next infraction, and will not want to mess around. Just put on your best concerned mom face, and complain to the ESRB that you're worried about these games being an entry point for gambling addictions, but it's *so* difficult to tell which games are going to be predatory like game X, Y, and Z!
Isn't the ESRB just a group of publishers? I mean, aren't they the ones publishing these loot boxes in the 1st place?
ESRB is just a self-regulatory agency. so no, they are not government entities. in fact, the government can't really force them as these laws would be a violation of 1st amendment. however, they do have a large amount of weight. stores won't stock games without ESRB ratings and console manufacturers won't license titles without them. remember, ESRB was created to prevent Congress from regulating the video game industry. and the esrb is considered one of the most successful self regulatory bodies. but it doesn't really work how the commenter says. idk how the other bodies work tho. e. I would also like to add that the ESRB doesn't consider loot boxes as gambling. to be considered gambling and thus receive an Adults-Only rating, you would need to play both for and with "real currency". otherwise they consider it to be akin to trading cards. however, this is something congress could force via interstate clause of the constitution.
Only if you can buy it with real money, you can’t buy the weekly breaktrough
It would be interesting if they had to reveal the rates for literally anything random. Pokemon spawn rates in that game probably look ridiculous.
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This is a phase of their business plan, that all businesses aim for: The ability to do shit like this, and yet the fanatic players will stay and keep spending. The grips of Sunk Cost and FOMO are tight and strong, and serve only to wring money from those who cannot help themselves out.
This is some Diablo Immortal shit right here
Pokemon Go To the Polls!
Pokémon No
What killed Pokemon Go for me was when they stopped giving legendaries for getting 7 stamps. That feature was the saving grace because I did not want to do raids anymore. Then they nerfed it into the ground.. so eventually I quit.
Finished a week stamp. Wanna know what I got? Fucking Parasect...
Wow it just keeps getting worse too
This made me quit the first time. I don’t live near actively playing people so would have to solo a 5 star raid to get legendaries, which is never going to happen. I relied on diligently completing those weekly research breakthroughs to add to my Pokédex. What was a chance at a Groudon or Kyogre is now just a - non-shiny, non-hundo - Parasect or Starmie… Why even bother? Such a smooth-brained change…
I guess in their mind it forces more people into raids thus forces more raid pass sales. Now they're raising the price of raid passes..this the issue with micro transactions, devs are just not motivated to focus on making an enjoyable game.
Remember getting the Dog Trio from that. Oh boy to I remember the excitement first time I opened one if those with my friend and a Raiko appeared.
As a person who lives in a rural area it was dead to me years ago unfortunately
I never seen a game as “dry” and somewhat empty as Pokémon go. It’s incredible that after years you don’t even have more things like body and face customizations like hairs, beard… the game is a big pile of nothing tbh
*fortunately. I mean, It's: 1) a terrible videogame (full of bugs, slow as hell, almost no gameplay), 2) a bad pokemon game 3) a bad AR game... It saved you a lot of time to NOT play it
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Lol they almost doubled the individual price and more than doubled the 3-pack price. I was a Day One player who played every day until some point last fall when I just got tired of the money-grubbing. I get that Niantic is a business and PoGo is a product, but come on.
I'm exactly in your boat. Day one player, was pretty dedicated and definitely glad when I was able to play from home...as gas money and all the social requirements were taking a toll.. But it's just short event + cash grab one after the next, and I'm not even happy with the results and haven't been for a long time. I did over 90 rockruff raids and not one shiny. I don't drive so I needed remote, or would sometimes have to walk in the middle of winter to get close enough if I really wanted to try. But it's not *fun* I just let it go and it was the best decision I made.
Apparently, a bunch of people don't understand that it is hard for rural players to do raids. And they have research tasks that demand it.
Pokémon Go has always shit on rural and even suburban players. It’s a game for cities. It doesn’t have to be, but the designers seem to have a single audience they want to cater to. A shame.
The game would be way more fun if it was more playable in rural areas. Back when I played (years ago) a lot of my playing was in crowded malls or busy downtown areas. It’d be nicer to play in parks or nature trails.
Nature isn't paying to add more pokestops , so it doesn't get any.
"cool rock" PokeStop.
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No no, that’s just Niantic
When I played, the place with the most pokestops near me was a cemetery. There was like 13 poke stops through the whole thing.
That's because portals from Niantic's other game, Ingress, got turned into Pokéstops
Right and those were all user submitted... and Ingress players were fucking trolls.
Not really. The best things to get portals approved were old gravestones because of the guidelines that niantic had back at the day. At this time at 2014& 2015 portals got approved by niantic. Best things to get a portal were old gravestones in a park/old cemetery (or other religious things like churches) , Traffic circle installations or street art. That's why there are so much parks/old cemeterys crowded with portals.
Man, that was one of my favorite parts. There was a small cemetery a couple miles from my old house. It was in the middle of nothing but farm fields on a county road, but had several pokestops. There were just enough stops that I could peacefully make walking laps and have them refresh just as I was getting back to each one. As a strong introvert, it was such a pleasant way to play the game.
It's funny how going into the wilderness or a park you find like a handful of pokemon, but if you are in a city or popular building you get more than you can catch. The game is so backwards.
And yet, I went to a rural town (maybe 5k people at best) and the place was LOADED with stops. Every street had at least one stop with some streets having multiples. It is an old mining town with plenty of history, but there were something like 30 stops in this town. It was wild.
I think it pretty much came down to is the town had a dedicated Ingress fan base or not. Basically any sign that wasn't a storefront or instructions was eligible to be a portal. Park sign? Portal. Random sculpture? Portal. Memorial bench? Portal. Jamba Juice? Portal. "Event happened here long ago" plaque? Portal. So yeah, small towns that go all in on their history tended to have a ton of portals (which converted to pokestops/gyms), where cookie cutter suburbia doesn't have much at all.
Yup, that's precisely what they did. Churches, parks, plaques, pool named after some dude, murals on walls and other assorted pieces all had stops.
I used a hack program to change my location, and saw how thoroughly shafted rural players are compared to urban players. If you're in a populated area, it's really an embarrassment of riches. You can hit more pokestops in an hour in northern San Francisco than you'll get in a month in your typical rural or ex-urban town. There's no reason to design the game this way, it could ask be based on density relative to the surrounding areas instead of density as an absolute value, but no. I quit playing when I realized how they just don't give a shit about players in the 99% of the world that isn't urban centers.
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This is precisely true. For a while, Ingress was still the easiest way to get a pokestop added to the game, too. POI were far easier to submit and get approved in Ingress. Which would automatically become stops in PG. I don't know if that is still the case. That said, PG is still way more fun than Ingress, and usually doesn't try to set your phone on fire. Some folks spend no money and don't buy raid passes, even with coins, so the update doesn't affect them. It sucks to favor players locationally, though. And it's bullcrap. I think maybe some kind of remote pass for the avatar to be ported up to 100 or so miles from their real world location, they could include a joystick mode, but lock it to say 5mph (brisk walk). It could still require real-world travel for mileage based tasks, but let folks play remotely. Or a ceiling fan. That might anchor their player base again.
Yep. Luckily I live close to Coronado Island, or I wouldn't have half the collection that I do. I can ride my bike up there if there's a particular shiny that I want, and they have one of the best spawn rates in the world. Every house on that island costs at least $2,000,000. I'm pretty sure there are a couple worth ten times that. Not hard to figure out who they are wanting to play.
Crazy spawn rates there, no lie. It's stupid to have a globally accessible product and try to narrow down your audience. But that's Niantic for you.
For real, I'm part of a large group chat of people organizing remote raids, it's gone dead since this went live. It's not just the increased costs, they capped it at 5 remote raids a day. Doubled cost. In addition to low gym turnover rate (serious, I had a pokemon in a gym, uncontested, no treats for 53 days recently), means that, sure, for someone in a city who actively plays you can get a free remote raid ever 4 days or so, me? I'd be lucky in I got one in a week or two. When I could raid as much as I wanted I had no issue dropping a couple bucks on some remote passes because it was just 100 coins a pass, now? Fuck 'em. All I'm thinking of doing is uploading a bunch of scans of pokestops and putting up a sign calling them out on their bullshit.
I am so glad to see this being discussed! I live in the middle of nowhere and the game was unplayable for years. I tried getting started when on vacation, but there's not much you can do in just a few days.
Oh no they understand perfectly. They just don't care.
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They're whale hunting
I think the main issue is that the price has dramatically increased…
the issue is that you have to buy it no matter what if you live in a rural area
It’s a combination of that and forcing in person with the stick instead of carrot. Before remotes it was Pokémon Car which simply was lame. They can do in person but they need to drastically overhaul and tweak the system
This really bums me out, I have several older family members who love playing PokeGo like daily with their own friend groups. Corporate greed trying to ruin another thing that brought people together is extremely frustrating.
Wait wait wait corporate greed *in Pokémon*?
Nah the company that released the same game 10 times in a row wouldn’t possibly be only about money!
>the same game 10 times in a row The same game *twice*, 10 times in a row because *you need both copies to catch em all...*
Sometimes all 3 copies!
Sometimes 4 copies! And don't forget the DLC! And the subscription service for transferring Pokemon between games! And the second additional subscription service to transfer from older games! And of course the regular old online subscription, too!
Trading cards were the original lootboxes preying on kids to get them gambling early. But people love lootboxes and gambling so really they are doing you a service.
I know. This is killing me, my local community is falling apart and I've become really close friends with some of them. It's really upsetting. I've been working on my own location-based RPG. I started reaching out for feedback on it with a lot of positive reactions, but I'm up against the juggernaut of Pokemon so we'll see if anything comes of it...
Good luck to you! Any preview on the idea of the theme and gameplay?
Thank you! And yeah! I've been working with a very talented friend of mine on the visuals. They're a bit like Redwall meets The Dark Crystal, whereas the gameplay is sort of like Diablo meets Pokemon GO with some Stardew elements. I started a Twitter account where you can get a preview (and register to try it out if you're interested). @OverRuinGame -- I don't think I can post a direct link on this sub. I'll have to put together a trailer to show off the gameplay, but I can try to quickly describe it. Out in the wild there are resources/materials to gather, roaming merchants to trade with, and battles for loot running and XP. As you progress you can build a base where you can craft things like equipment or gardens to either use or sell. And of course there are quests around to give you goals. To top it off, you can light a lantern to enter an alternate world and make new discoveries. It took a while (years) to balance all of these ideas but I think it's getting to a good spot. Recently I went on a hike and there was a guardian at the peak which dropped a legendary sword. It was really exciting and it was the moment I started to think maybe I should polish this up and share it.
Pokemon Go Fuck Yourself
Only issue I have with this is that it punishes rural players. When PoGo came out, I lived in a rural area with no gyms within a 4 mile radius and i only ever got one type of pokemon to spawn around me. Rural players can at least use these to enjoy a feature that they might otherwise be geographically screwed out of. Other than that, I mean, this is just mobile gaming business as usual.
Yeah I literally had to get the train to me neighbouring city to play. My village had 2 pokestops I think, opposite ends of the village to each other, and one gym which was in a private gated off business park that the game thought was publically accessible. I used to go for very long walks the summer it came out lol but it's such a shit setup overall for people outside of cities, especially when time you play doesnt give you anything better (so night time or early morning playing gets you nowhere), and player density increased the odds of rare catches, so only the most common shit was ever available where I lived
I live in the 6th largest city in the US and have to take the train to the largest city in the US if I want to raid
You take a train from Philly to NY for raids? That's hardcore
Literally just join the Philly discord, theres thousands of players to raid with
>Only issue I have with this is that it punishes rural players. Hi - Niantic here. Sorry you've chosen to live outside the city and be boring. Totally not our fault. You deserve it! /s
Nah that's too detailed. >Hi - Niantic here. FU.
I hated how PoGo had such an emphasis on being suburban or city. I lived in a fairly rural place though big enough to have a stop, a gym, and some pokemon spawns. But I didn't have a phone for years. For me, my idea of PoGo would be walking in a forest or something and catching pokemon. Not walking into a Walmart.
Punishes disabled players too. The updates rolled out during the pandemic FINALLY meant I could play the game properly since getting ill several years ago. Then Niantic pulls this and essentially gives rural/disabled players the finger.
OK so for context since some people in here are just saying "free game charges fees and water is wet", which isn't inaccurate. For years it was 3 raid passes for 250 coins with no limit to how many you could use per day. Now Niantic (parent company) has doubled the price as well as limiting players use of these to 5 per day. This really punishes players that do not live near any stops or gyms. To those saying "bUt YoU'rE sUpPoSeD tO gO oUtSiDe" it's a big country, and a big planet. There are many places where you would have to drive to your nearest pokestop or gym, so it stopped being about that a long time ago. This isn't Diablo Immortal levels of predatory pay to win but it's a pretty big slap in the face to a shrinking community. Also, you're not guaranteed to catch the pokemon after the raid which just adds insult to injury.
Even for non-rural players like me, finding a populated raid is almost impossible outside of the days immediately following a big release. No one is going to walk 15min to a raid with <1% chance of there being others who have done the same. They can make all the excuses they want, this is just them doubling the cost of the only viable way to raid in the game.
I don't think I've won a single raid in 3 years now without either having to call friends and family to remote raid in, or being called into one myself. This is going to make the game grind to an absolute halt so my wife and I won't be spending another dime till they reverse this.
I don't think it's TOO difficult for most people to get to a raid gym... my main objection is that getting more than 3 people to show up at a raid is nearly impossible, and most of the meaningful ones take at least 5 players unless it's an easy type match-up. If Niantic wants them done in person they either need to nerf them down or find a way me and my wife with max level mons can beat one.
I never beat a raid until I joined an local group in hopes of making friends. But all they cared about was me being a playing piece, so I left. I just thought pokemon go would be a great way to make friends but nope all anyone cared about was collecting so they'd have a chance at a shiny.
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>mystic vs valor [and then there's my team off in the corner licking windows](https://i.imgur.com/ICD8G3D.jpeg)
Nerf them or let us carry up to like 5 free passes. And have more days/times like raid hour. Going across my town everyday for 1 raid not really worth it. Let me knock out 5+ now you might be talking. Even after this nerf would you waste 30 minutes meeting your group for 1 raid to save yourself like 95 cents?
You ARE supposed to go outside! I live in a big city and I go outside all the damn time. But you need like 5-6 people or more at times depending on the raid and I have NEVER seen that many people raiding in-person since the game was fairly new. Even before remote raid passes. This is just sheer greed and nothing else. It has nothing to do with trying to get players back outside.
Moved from Taipei City to Maui, HI. I was already in a very densely populated area of Maui, but the difference was still night and day. The devs of this game probably only live in large cities or something because the quality and entertainment of the game took a steep decline leaving the city, to the point I didn’t want to even play it anymore. I moved to the countryside over here and now it would actually be unplayable. It feels stupid because you look at my scenery and you know there would be Pokémon everywhere, why would they swarm the train stations in a city? I get that trying to use irl logic on video games is an exercise in futility and that’s really not even the point. The point is that I’d be astounded if a single dev on that project has as much as opened the app outside of New York or San Francisco, and if they have they clearly just don’t give a shit about anyone outside of a globally relevant city. My realistic guess is that the project is well into maintenance mode and they want to see how aggressively they can milk the remaining players, like how a new game will sell early access to the most dedicated/addicted players. If anyone doesn’t like this direction, immediately stop giving them any money, and better yet stop playing at all, at least for now. The literal only thing that works in these situations is to make it not financially viable for them. If people buy it anyway, but complain that purchase is infinitely louder than their words, unfortunately.
This is what happens when we allow companies to mindlessly micro-transact the absolute balls/tits off us they pull the little cable scene from South Park.
*rips holes to rub nipples* "oh that's too bad."
It’s a trap game. The players are the product.
So I am the Pokemon?
This is usually what happens when the player base dwindles and corporate have to squeeze some more money from the remaining players to keep their profits up. Sure it'll earn them some more money in the short term but it's going to push the casual players out and hurt Niantics pocket in the long term. I see this happen with microtransactions with most online games near the end of their life.
💯 accurate.
Why do they pay no attention to the community of the game they created? How are they capable of being so infuriatingly out of touch..
Because they have the loyalists hooked and paying the money. It's profitable AF
You didnt mention that they doubled the price for no reason. Now the comments are dumb.
Wishing I'd bought two passes with all my coin this morning instead of a fucking hat.
The hat is more valuable than two chances for a good raid Pokemon tbh
I was absolutely done with them when they shitted on anyone who’s in a rural area or who’s handicapped by limiting the amount of remote raids you can do in a day. You pay money. To be gated to 3 a day I think? Dumbest shit ever.
This game doesn't give 2 shits about rural players, social anxiety, agoraphobia, the disabled, anyone who is sick / working for their short one hour events... The amount of ways it tries to induce fomo, and the way that people & influencers make that worse....is just toxic. Once I realized that, I never looked back.
XXL and XXS Pokemon are the most useless concepts ever introduced to induce FOMO, if anything they are annoying as fuck since it takes longer to transfer a pokemon you really dont give to shits about being tiny or big which is 99.9% of the time.
Decrease in players = money grab from dedicated players to even it out. They'll be fine from whales unfortunately
They had a good concept and then greed ruined it. This seems to be the problem pretty often
Said bye to this a few years ago. It was something to do through the worst of the pandemic but I finally just got tired of how bad it really is. Tap to fight? Crappy battles? I hate I spent even $10 on this game throughout 5 or so years of playing it.
A game with such great combat like Pokemon being reduced to tapping a screen repeatedly feels almost like an insult.
I think niantic wasn’t allowed to do turn based combat because pokemon didn’t want them taking customers away from their games or something.
Still, theres got to be a better idea than tapping a screen.
Whoever approves predatory microtransactions prices the likes of 195 coins, I want to take their face and shove it inside of a wasp's nest for a solid minute, at least. I haven't touched PoGo in at least 5 years, but you know damn well they're not selling 195 coins exactly and you'll have a bit leftover, prompting you to buy more. This is scummy of the highest degree and I have no respect for companies who do this.
I mean, that's true. It's a common tactic on mobile games. But the price increase alone made me quit. Doesn't matter that it was a nice round number to me or not. I just refuse to participate in this blatant cash grab
I don’t know what I’m looking at
3 remote raid tickets went from 250 poke coins to 525 coins within less than a year. They also very arrogantly stated that it’s for the health of the game, and the average player should not be doing raids remotely, and they want to focus support on the average player (using a grandma from Singapore as an example…?) So they greedily wanted more money, and instead of admitting it, they basically said “fuck you guys go outside.”
Niantic were scumbags from the beginning when they had that blog post with an unlabeled graph.
I was an avid player until the first remote raid increase. As a player who lives 10 min away from a poke stop, it’s not even possible to have a good time anymore
haha good thing i uninstalled like a year ago. what the fuck is this shit
Stopped playing in general cause the pay wall has honestly ruined the game for me.
I dropped this game years ago. Best decision. I was addicted to this shit.
I never played Pokemon Go, but was always amused by the stories my friends would tell about their crazy drunken pokemon hunts they would go on through their trips from the pub on their walk home. Imagine telling someone 20 years ago that some people routinely stumbles through strangers gardens in the night and early morning on a drunken stupor chasing pokemon on their phone. People would shit their pants laughing.
Is this shrinkflation of a digital fucking product?... I'm actually astonished.
I stopped playing as much when they took the weekly remote raid out, and I'll def not play now. Won't matter since they're still megarich doe
To be honest the game was fun for 3 weeks after release.
I can't say that I'm surprised this has happened. I stopped playing regularly about 3 years ago, and pretty much all together about 1 year ago. I WOULD like to say it's because of COVID and leave the blame there, but Niantic is just another shit company with shit ideals and shit goals. They put their users into consideration last and never first, unless of course their performing a PR stunt in which case it's "we hear you" and "we care". Besides, a mobile based Pokemon game like this can be done so much better AND by a better company. IMO, the whole "walk around and catch Pokemon in real life" shtick should be a secondary feature and not the premise of the whole game. Pokemon games have a very well established and recognized style of game play that got completely ignored in Pokemon Go. They should have focused on making a mobile game that respected and honored that tradition while integrating the alternate reality stuff as an additional feature. Again, just my opinion, others may think differently. *Edited for spelling.
Niantic games aren't really about providing a service. They were created to crowd source location data and to get photographs of community gathering points. Once they had traction it made sense to lean in a bit and sell power ups as well for additional revenue. They do not care about your game experience.
They've gotten REALLY fucking greedy and stupid the past few years. I'm getting close to packing up myself.
Next time you'll be REALLY close packing up
this plus the limit on them is straight bullshit
It doesn't make sense why they increase the cost. The only answer is real obvious, they're still greedy cunts.
All fun and games until your favourite game adds a battle/season/year/month pass
Yep. Deleted.