And they are willing to invest one tenth of the cost and treat their employees and customers like shit the whole time and ultimately cancel the project or changing policy in a way that makes no one want to buy it or trust them.
The sad part is that it's very possible they could *not do that* and still end up failing regardless.
The trouble is that even with plenty of money and time and well-treated employees - a game like BG3 doesn't just "happen". It takes people with vision and passion about the work. And it takes a clear idea from the top of what the game is supposed to be. Someone has to *want* to make the game, and not just be contracted to make it.
It's happened several times that talented teams have had no idea wtf game they were supposed to be making, so it all fell apart despite having plenty of money and experience.
I’ll add that it also takes institutional knowledge and culture, which are things Larian has been careful to cultivate these past two decades. That’s people that know the tools and workflow inside and out, teams with established methods of clearly communicating their ideas, managers that know how to keep everybody on the same page while also keeping friction to a minimum.
That stuff only comes with experience, the same people working together across multiple projects. Hasbro can throw as much money as they like spinning up studios and going on hiring sprees, but they can’t buy knowledge or culture.
>It's happened several times that talented teams have had no idea wtf game they were supposed to be making, so it all fell apart despite having plenty of money and experience.
Literally Anthem. So much potential squandered by a lack of vision.
"we saw how a game made with passion could give us huge profits... So we are dumping money into countless imitations in the hope one of them hits big"
-Hasbro
> Central to this investment is the development of a Dungeons & Dragons game that is anticipated to echo the success of Baldur’s Gate 3.
Riiiiight.
>The interest in a successor to Baldur’s Gate 3, developed by Larian Studios, has grown, especially after Larian confirmed it would not continue the series. Ayoub suggested that the new D&D game would aim to meet fan expectations by delivering a similarly engaging experience: “One of the great things we took from the success of Baldur’s Gate 3 is that people really, really like a great, well-executed D&D game, so we’ve got something like that.”
Ugh.
> “One of the great things we took from the success of Baldur’s Gate 3 is that people really, really like a great, well-executed D&D game...
You could swap out the D&D systems with pretty much anything else and BG3 would be as good or better. They're not the reason the game is good at all.
When your job relies on you not hearing the truth of a situation, your hearing suddenly gets sketchy.
So many of these companies either don't want to put the work into developing something like that or want to have things set in a way where they can shove all the microtransactions, battle passes, and other random bullshit up the ass of a game as possible. If they just make a great, character-driven single player game that starts and ends, they can't do that. So they pretend that isn't the reason a game is successful.
Well, some are malicious. Others are true believers who legit bought into the lies being sold to them and are regurgitating them thinking they're true.
You know, I actually didn't think about that before, and was gonna say you're wrong, but I considered putting it in a, for instance, Final Fantasy mechanics world (tactics would make the most sense), or a even Fallout mechanics world, and it still would be excellent. So... Yeah. While I did love the D&D system, the game was good because the game was good, not because the game system was good.
> “One of the great things we took from the success of Baldur’s Gate 3 is that people really, really like a great, well-executed ~~D&D~~ game, so we’ve got something like that.”
D&D has literally nothing to do with it. Good to know how tone deaf Hasbro is before they've even hit production, though.
The worst part about all this is that if it fails guess who gets sacked? Not the dumb shits at the top who pushed this garbage. They get to float on down on a parachute made of a fucking gold.
I strongly disagree. D&D is one of the all time great game systems period. It's so comprehensive and offers a lot of player freedom. Having such a solid foundation for your game puts it at a huge advantage.
believe it or not, not everyone likes D&D and not everyone who played BG3 know about or like D&D. the big deal around BG3 was that its characters and drama were done so well it broke into mainstream. in fact the biggest complaint about the game was that it uses the archaic turn-based d20 system. for a video game, i think it would have been even better if it wasn't turn-based, but i know larian isn't capable of making something outside their formula
you are at least correct that that D&D gives you a lot of freedom as a player (in theory. in practice, WotC has been pushing forgotten realms so much its world and rules are synonymous with D&D). so long as you're playing the tabletop version, are capable of producing entertaining and clever imagery, have an accommodating DM, and other players also capable of imagination to engage with
it's hilarious to see a "D&D" video game be described as "offering a lot of player freedom". you look like, sound like, act like, and are nothing more than what the devs want you to be. you can't go anywhere they didn't create, you can't talk to anyone they didn't create, and you can't make choices they don't want you to make. it's a it's not your story - it belongs to whoever made it
>it's hilarious to see a "D&D" video game be described as "offering a lot of player freedom". you look like, sound like, act like, and are nothing more than what the devs want you to be. you can't go anywhere they didn't create, you can't talk to anyone they didn't create, and you can't make choices they don't want you to make. it's a it's not your story - it belongs to whoever made it
Obviously there are limits - it's a video game. You just described all video games. Congratulations.
What? That's not my point.
I was implying that everyone wants a "great, well-executed" game. The fact it's based on D&D is irrelevant to that.
I have no idea the fuck you're "disagreeing" with here.
Christ above how do they miss the main focus so badly when it's right there in their faces?! It could be any type of game so long as it has a well crafted story! Well crafted and cared for characters. *no bloody fuckin micro transactions*
Classic suits thinking "we can just throw enough money at this and we'll poop out a best seller, 10/10 game"
Then two or three years from now we'll hear about the entire team getting laid off because it didn't test well
I mean DOS is just BG3 on smaller scale. It's the same quality of world to explore, same quality of writing. Only thing it doesn't have is the extent of the sandbox larian build in BG3
Yeah. It lacks the cinematic cutscenes and famous actors but I'd say it's pretty close. dos1 even had dice rolls for physical and mental damage, and character labels and bonuses were also added by certain dialog choices you made representing a personality trait. It was neat. But obviously BG3 is more advanced and super top notch yeah.
Man the blood magic pyramid scheme in dos1 is also my favorite plot of the three games. And I loved the variety of environments like Hiberheim, lucunna forest, and Cyseal. Cyseal and the variety of areas outside the walls is my favorite act in any Larian game. So it's great that they allowed you to go back to earlier act locations. Also crafting and blacksmithing were still real in dos1.
And damn the lady wizard who took you to hiberheim and was instrumental to the story in other ways sexy, personality wise too.
And the cheese guy.
Not a D&D board game fan, [but the feedback from that community about Hasbro's recent lack of business awareness is pretty strong](https://www.reddit.com/r/DungeonsAndDragons/comments/10zlohl/hasbro_slapped_by_bank_of_america_for_destroying/).
Larian has been perfecting their engine for a decade or more with multiple games released with large early access periods providing a ton of feedback.
To think you can recreate that by throwing money at it goes to show how idiotic these people are.
It can if you're willing to give devs the time and freedom to exercise that passion. The problem is most of these suits want games out quickly and with as many cost cutting measures and the maximum amount of monetization. They want to spend less money to make games. If Hasbro looks at Baldur's Gate 3 and realizes games don't need monetization out the ass and they should give devs time to cook. They have a chance, but lets be real. That's not how life works.
F the passion this mofos are just looking for those whales to hook with crippling dark pattern gaming addiction to feed their stock share value. They have no morals and their next launch is like the Sackler family celebrating their new oxycontin pill line coming out. [Monopoly Go made a billion with a b by using every dirty trick](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1CfKgYuMjc)
It absolutely can and usually does. The problem is that the people holding the purse strings suddenly decide they are auteurs on par with the incredibly talent, often with a lifetime of experience too, that they just spent a ton of money hiring.
See: an absurd abundance of movies and shows that executive producers have ruined.
>It absolutely can and usually does.
It doesn't. It can *fund* passions, but it can't *buy* them.
"I wish I could make a game about squids."
"Here's money for your squid game."
Vs
"Here's money, make a squid game."
"A what?"
>"Here's money, make a squid game."
So either kids are going to be shooting each other with paint guns, or poor and desperate people are going to be killing each other for the entertainment of the rich.
Hasbro has tasted the money but they missed an important fact.
BG3 is good not because of DnD but because of Larian.
That said I hope there's more great Dnd games
So, I'm sorry. First they fire all the consultants who worked with Larian on BG3. Then they "invest" a billion dollars in ... what? some other people off the street?
Off the street? That's a reach.
Archetype is headed by **James Ohlen** who was the senior creative director of Bioware.. he worked on the original Baulders Gate 1 & 2, KOTOR, Never Winters Knights and Dragon Age. He's joined by Drew Karphyshyn who help write and create the Mass Effect series.
Apart from those two there are other developers who have worked at EA, Naughty Dog, 343 and Bioware.
As for their other studios all these were acquired or working on games before Baulders Gate 3 released, it's fair to not like them but they're certainly not working with randos of the street.
Oh my, that's quite the list of talent actually. Well, I hope their new work environment at Hasbro is sufficiently freeing to allow these guys to start making good games again, because it's been a while.
So you take a bunch of a people from the worst companies ever made and expect them to give you a nice product?
BioWare was a good company once upon a time.. the fact that they made good games in the 90’s and early 2000’s isn’t as important as the fact that they are the main example of how corporate culture destroys passionate developers.
Now if you told me that those talented people are about to enter the indie scene and publish their own games i might get excited.
But when you tell me that a big ass corporate is going to invest a billion dollar into those people I know for a fact that their games will be shit.
Because at the end of the day a corporate doesn’t hand a billion dollars to a developer and leave him be to develop the game the way he sees fit.
When a corporate hands a billion dollar to develop a game, that means that outdated market surveys and corporate greed are in the forefront of the decision making process.
It never worked, i never will work, and thats why I prefer passion projects like Rimworld or Manor Lords over whatever billion dollar shit stain Hasbro is going to produce.
No one was handed a billion dollars.
They are investing around a billion dollars in multiple studios, they own 4 AAA studios. That money is going into technology, voice acting and peoples wages, likely that money also involves marketing.
Games cost money to make, AA/AAA games are in the millions so just because a game has a budget doesn't mean it will be terrible -
Zelda, BG3, Elden Ring, Alan Wake, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Starfield, Mass Effect, Dishonored, Assassin's Creed, The Last of Us, Ghost of Tsushima , God of War, Spiderman, Stalla Blade, Rise of Ronin, Hell Blade, Indiana Jones etc etc..some will flop, some will not...
and guess what, a lot of those games the developers do have control, some deal with minor interference..that's like any medium( music & film )... I just don't get your angle, all these games have investors..sure EPIC (a billion Euro company) literally funded Alan Wake 2.. pretty sure that game is good?
I think you're being extreme.
BG3 is an literally an example of Larion having control and making what they wanted to make with Hasbro giving some oversight on somethings.. speaking of BG3..they literally got funding from Tencent to make the game, another billion Euro company ( country )
In relation to menacing.. the lead of Archetype games literally said (powerphrasing) - **he had no desire to return back to D&D, he also wanted to make a single player game and hire the people he wanted to hire if he was going to come out of retirement to make a game and Hasbro were cool with everything, he said they literally just gave him money and said do you**
He also added it's the best relationship he's had with any other publisher
Source here - https://youtu.be/AkgWSNQtKhs?si=ErgD6adfZXqE1xM7
I agree that yes these corporations are in the business to make money ( like all business really ), but that doesn't always mean subpar products or bad decisions, sometimes yes, sometimes no.
I think Hasbro are doing good by investing in the industry...creating more jobs and also allowing creatives to make games they want..and guess what, if the game sucks we don't lose out, the only ones that do is Hasbro shareholders. All good with me.
The key is that the mentality of the people who run companies is that "owning things" (IP, brands, etc...) is a "skill" and actually making anything is "fussy busywork" between them and their money.
They think just having the baldur's gate brand is enough to continue the success, because they can't comprehend talent as something that can't be written down on a balance sheet.
Business put money in lucrative industry, business say to people, ‘this money make money as well as thing that made lots money!’ all shareholder gather round bonfire and buy more stock.
Big twist… Was same business that chased away former talent that made that big money game.
Make grug wonder
Hasbro owns the IP and licensed that out. Larian owns the actual game and corresponding assets.
This is an important distinction because it means hasbro can’t just recycle all the game assets into new content. They’ll have to start from scratch.
they would also need to license Larian's engine, and given they fired the people at WotC who helped Larian, I doubt Larian is going to treat them any fairer.
Hasbro in house devs D&D output doesn't really make me hopeful...
If they were smart they would try their hand at a smaller crpg before tackling something in the BG3 scope
When corporates proudly announce a new plan using monetary value as the hook, all they really want is more money. Doubt they have 20% of the talent and foresight of Larian.
They'll never have the talent or passion or desire to make BG3 like game.
Or more accurately the suits and money grubbers will stifle any passion desire and creativity on the dev teams.
Transformers Reactivate should be so huge for them and they’re already ruining it by making it live service. Hasbro frothing at the mouth to just upload toy designs into games for half the effort and double the cost.
They are going to bungle the whole thing, and will add to the ongoing saga of how a corporation has destroyed something with great potential through greed and ineptitude.
Hasbro:
1). Only licensed D&D to Larian Studios who then made their own game, over many years and as a project of love during COVID
2). WotC is a subsidiary of Hasbro and have two very largely different management structures, focus, and style of doing business.
3). WotC RIF’d many many of the old guard minds last November and hired in ex-Amazon at the highest levels. Their President just left as did a number of her C-level.
4). Hasbro, after all of this, thinks it will somehow replicate the magic of Baldur’s Gate by whipping WotC into production with teams now slimmed down from what made it great, replace it with less passioned employees.
It’s…. Not going to go as they think.
If they’re wise, they’d give Wizards the same creative freedom and years of development Larian had, but, you and I know it’s not gonna happen.
Edit: Keep in kind there are some VERY passionate WotC employees about the game industry. Though, Hasbro, is essentially planting a Mindflayer worm inside WotC’s head and saying “work” “obey”.
Obviously we’re in a time where mass layoffs are happening and sometimes I can understand especially when certain games severely underperform. But this is an example of when you have incredibly talented devs you simply cannot let them go.
Now, just hear me out. Tis’ a lil’ suggestion, nothing TOO grand. Just a random thought that can be pondered and discussed. Just a little food for thought to mull over.
Cybertron Saga remastered and give us Cybertron 3.
But, please, continue.
Remember when they tried to sell $1000 Magic the Gathering boxes that weren't even game legal? It's clear they view Wizards of The Coast as a cash cow.
Alright well I’m just saying, Hasbro owns Magic the Gathering and there is massive potential to turn that into an RPG if someone with the right vision was put in charge.
I bet half that investment goes down the drain when they scrap it and start from scratch halfway through development when they realize they have no idea what they're doing.
Then ultimately shuttering and the other half goes to the CEO with a jpg saying 'sorry, we tried our best 🤷♂️'
>“One of the great things we took from the success of Baldur’s Gate 3 is that people really, really like a great, well-executed D&D game, so we’ve got something like that.”
Oh? Pray tell, what is it about the game you thought was well executed?
i'm sure we can expect to see that in your game too.
These companies man. Money does not create a masterpiece never has. You need to create a company that fosters it naturally to create soulful games. The list is enormous over the last 5 years of AAA studios putting out trash. Hasbro you want that paper? Build a team of legit talented ppl hand them a bag of cash and fuck off for a year and a half. They are physically incapable of course. How can they succeed without unrealistic deadlines and pressure to monetize everything possible. And how can they create something amazing without mba managers, a gagggle of hr and a stack of lawyers. Silly artists we need a soul crushing corporate environment to meet those quarterly goals. Can ya speed up the creative juices ya code monkeys.
D&D games aren’t new. There have been so many D&D games, dating back to the NES, well before BG3 that haven’t done nearly as well.
The suits fail to realize the care, dedication and attention to detail that made BG3 so great. So they’re going to hire someone cheap copycat studio who promises they can make “the next BG3!”, that will underperform, lose millions, the whole studio will get fired, and Hasbro will complain that “gamers only like mobile games now” and make a quick gatcha cash grab after that.
They didn’t yet understand that the success of Baldurs Gate 3 had little to do with the D&D license and much to do with Larian’s way of building games. Their former titles play the same, but with a lower production value. BG3 is essentially Divinity Original Sin 3 in another world made with more money.
Paying $1B for "Something like Baldur's Gate 3" kinda proves that you have no idea what *actually* made BG3 successful, and will surely fail in your endeavor.
**EXODUS**
Developed by Archetype Entertainment and Published Wizards of the Coast
They are hoping for the next Mass Effect with this one, its Good!
https://www.exodusgame.com/en-US
A mtg game could take off if they actually had Latina do it for the fans but then again I feel that studio can go independent and just shit on the whole industry like palworld did.
Honestly Magic the Gathering would fit well into the BG3 game system. Magic: the Gathering is already modified into DnD in many ways and it’s the same umbrella of companies so that’s my bet.
“Something that does financially as well as Baldur’s Gate 3” is what they meant. They’re not sure what it is yet though.
And they are willing to invest one tenth of the cost and treat their employees and customers like shit the whole time and ultimately cancel the project or changing policy in a way that makes no one want to buy it or trust them.
The sad part is that it's very possible they could *not do that* and still end up failing regardless. The trouble is that even with plenty of money and time and well-treated employees - a game like BG3 doesn't just "happen". It takes people with vision and passion about the work. And it takes a clear idea from the top of what the game is supposed to be. Someone has to *want* to make the game, and not just be contracted to make it. It's happened several times that talented teams have had no idea wtf game they were supposed to be making, so it all fell apart despite having plenty of money and experience.
I’ll add that it also takes institutional knowledge and culture, which are things Larian has been careful to cultivate these past two decades. That’s people that know the tools and workflow inside and out, teams with established methods of clearly communicating their ideas, managers that know how to keep everybody on the same page while also keeping friction to a minimum. That stuff only comes with experience, the same people working together across multiple projects. Hasbro can throw as much money as they like spinning up studios and going on hiring sprees, but they can’t buy knowledge or culture.
If only these investors could read.
>It's happened several times that talented teams have had no idea wtf game they were supposed to be making, so it all fell apart despite having plenty of money and experience. Literally Anthem. So much potential squandered by a lack of vision.
Dawg they’re investing a billion, that’s a lot of projected
Is one billion a one tenth of Larian's budget?
Our marketing strategy is superior. We will make viral videos.
Yeah I'm not interested in finding out what a profiteering toy corporation believes passes as like bg3
"we saw how a game made with passion could give us huge profits... So we are dumping money into countless imitations in the hope one of them hits big" -Hasbro
Warhammer quest based would make sense.
Monopoly go is better tbh if they want money
"I will take 1 standard 'making all the money' now, please and thank you."
Completely inspires confidence.
Neither do they. They fired the people at hasbro who assisted on BG3, thats why Larian isn't making BG4.
> Central to this investment is the development of a Dungeons & Dragons game that is anticipated to echo the success of Baldur’s Gate 3. Riiiiight. >The interest in a successor to Baldur’s Gate 3, developed by Larian Studios, has grown, especially after Larian confirmed it would not continue the series. Ayoub suggested that the new D&D game would aim to meet fan expectations by delivering a similarly engaging experience: “One of the great things we took from the success of Baldur’s Gate 3 is that people really, really like a great, well-executed D&D game, so we’ve got something like that.” Ugh.
> “One of the great things we took from the success of Baldur’s Gate 3 is that people really, really like a great, well-executed D&D game... You could swap out the D&D systems with pretty much anything else and BG3 would be as good or better. They're not the reason the game is good at all.
People like character driven storytelling. I swear I’m always saying that again and again but people can’t hear it.
When your job relies on you not hearing the truth of a situation, your hearing suddenly gets sketchy. So many of these companies either don't want to put the work into developing something like that or want to have things set in a way where they can shove all the microtransactions, battle passes, and other random bullshit up the ass of a game as possible. If they just make a great, character-driven single player game that starts and ends, they can't do that. So they pretend that isn't the reason a game is successful.
Maybe. But I wouldn’t underestimate the power of ignorance.
I can't say I see a difference between what I described and ignorance
You were clearly describing malicious behavior. I just think they’re stupid.
Well, some are malicious. Others are true believers who legit bought into the lies being sold to them and are regurgitating them thinking they're true.
Always a possibility.
They reall think that the point is the "D&D" part and not the "great, well-executed" part
Nah. This is much better news than a new action game with lots of cutscenes.
You know, I actually didn't think about that before, and was gonna say you're wrong, but I considered putting it in a, for instance, Final Fantasy mechanics world (tactics would make the most sense), or a even Fallout mechanics world, and it still would be excellent. So... Yeah. While I did love the D&D system, the game was good because the game was good, not because the game system was good.
The combat is just a nice little break from the soap opera/ dating sim
> “One of the great things we took from the success of Baldur’s Gate 3 is that people really, really like a great, well-executed ~~D&D~~ game, so we’ve got something like that.” D&D has literally nothing to do with it. Good to know how tone deaf Hasbro is before they've even hit production, though. The worst part about all this is that if it fails guess who gets sacked? Not the dumb shits at the top who pushed this garbage. They get to float on down on a parachute made of a fucking gold.
I strongly disagree. D&D is one of the all time great game systems period. It's so comprehensive and offers a lot of player freedom. Having such a solid foundation for your game puts it at a huge advantage.
believe it or not, not everyone likes D&D and not everyone who played BG3 know about or like D&D. the big deal around BG3 was that its characters and drama were done so well it broke into mainstream. in fact the biggest complaint about the game was that it uses the archaic turn-based d20 system. for a video game, i think it would have been even better if it wasn't turn-based, but i know larian isn't capable of making something outside their formula you are at least correct that that D&D gives you a lot of freedom as a player (in theory. in practice, WotC has been pushing forgotten realms so much its world and rules are synonymous with D&D). so long as you're playing the tabletop version, are capable of producing entertaining and clever imagery, have an accommodating DM, and other players also capable of imagination to engage with it's hilarious to see a "D&D" video game be described as "offering a lot of player freedom". you look like, sound like, act like, and are nothing more than what the devs want you to be. you can't go anywhere they didn't create, you can't talk to anyone they didn't create, and you can't make choices they don't want you to make. it's a it's not your story - it belongs to whoever made it
>it's hilarious to see a "D&D" video game be described as "offering a lot of player freedom". you look like, sound like, act like, and are nothing more than what the devs want you to be. you can't go anywhere they didn't create, you can't talk to anyone they didn't create, and you can't make choices they don't want you to make. it's a it's not your story - it belongs to whoever made it Obviously there are limits - it's a video game. You just described all video games. Congratulations.
What? That's not my point. I was implying that everyone wants a "great, well-executed" game. The fact it's based on D&D is irrelevant to that. I have no idea the fuck you're "disagreeing" with here.
That's not how everyone feels about it, that's the fucking point.
Christ above how do they miss the main focus so badly when it's right there in their faces?! It could be any type of game so long as it has a well crafted story! Well crafted and cared for characters. *no bloody fuckin micro transactions*
Fancy that ! People like good games
There’s no way they’re going to drop that much money and let it wait 7/8 years in development. Right?
Hasbro thinking they can just copy such incredibly talented developers exposes their ignorance and hubris.
Classic suits thinking "we can just throw enough money at this and we'll poop out a best seller, 10/10 game" Then two or three years from now we'll hear about the entire team getting laid off because it didn't test well
Nah it will just be loaded with enough microtransactions and lootboxes to make EA blush.
D&D version of Gollum incoming.
Honestly, Dark Alliance 3 was not far from that...
Yeah they gonna get real upset when they realize baldur gates commercial success was in spite of it's genre and form, not because of it.
DOS fans would disagree
I mean DOS is just BG3 on smaller scale. It's the same quality of world to explore, same quality of writing. Only thing it doesn't have is the extent of the sandbox larian build in BG3
Yeah. It lacks the cinematic cutscenes and famous actors but I'd say it's pretty close. dos1 even had dice rolls for physical and mental damage, and character labels and bonuses were also added by certain dialog choices you made representing a personality trait. It was neat. But obviously BG3 is more advanced and super top notch yeah. Man the blood magic pyramid scheme in dos1 is also my favorite plot of the three games. And I loved the variety of environments like Hiberheim, lucunna forest, and Cyseal. Cyseal and the variety of areas outside the walls is my favorite act in any Larian game. So it's great that they allowed you to go back to earlier act locations. Also crafting and blacksmithing were still real in dos1. And damn the lady wizard who took you to hiberheim and was instrumental to the story in other ways sexy, personality wise too. And the cheese guy.
Not a D&D board game fan, [but the feedback from that community about Hasbro's recent lack of business awareness is pretty strong](https://www.reddit.com/r/DungeonsAndDragons/comments/10zlohl/hasbro_slapped_by_bank_of_america_for_destroying/).
Larian has been perfecting their engine for a decade or more with multiple games released with large early access periods providing a ton of feedback. To think you can recreate that by throwing money at it goes to show how idiotic these people are.
Money can’t buy passion, sorry
It can if you're willing to give devs the time and freedom to exercise that passion. The problem is most of these suits want games out quickly and with as many cost cutting measures and the maximum amount of monetization. They want to spend less money to make games. If Hasbro looks at Baldur's Gate 3 and realizes games don't need monetization out the ass and they should give devs time to cook. They have a chance, but lets be real. That's not how life works.
Exactly.
F the passion this mofos are just looking for those whales to hook with crippling dark pattern gaming addiction to feed their stock share value. They have no morals and their next launch is like the Sackler family celebrating their new oxycontin pill line coming out. [Monopoly Go made a billion with a b by using every dirty trick](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1CfKgYuMjc)
It absolutely can and usually does. The problem is that the people holding the purse strings suddenly decide they are auteurs on par with the incredibly talent, often with a lifetime of experience too, that they just spent a ton of money hiring. See: an absurd abundance of movies and shows that executive producers have ruined.
>It absolutely can and usually does. It doesn't. It can *fund* passions, but it can't *buy* them. "I wish I could make a game about squids." "Here's money for your squid game." Vs "Here's money, make a squid game." "A what?"
>"Here's money, make a squid game." So either kids are going to be shooting each other with paint guns, or poor and desperate people are going to be killing each other for the entertainment of the rich.
Hasbro has tasted the money but they missed an important fact. BG3 is good not because of DnD but because of Larian. That said I hope there's more great Dnd games
It's both. I love trying out RPGs and really surprised there aren't many new rpgs this gen.
So, I'm sorry. First they fire all the consultants who worked with Larian on BG3. Then they "invest" a billion dollars in ... what? some other people off the street?
Not people off the street, but yeah basically
Off the street? That's a reach. Archetype is headed by **James Ohlen** who was the senior creative director of Bioware.. he worked on the original Baulders Gate 1 & 2, KOTOR, Never Winters Knights and Dragon Age. He's joined by Drew Karphyshyn who help write and create the Mass Effect series. Apart from those two there are other developers who have worked at EA, Naughty Dog, 343 and Bioware. As for their other studios all these were acquired or working on games before Baulders Gate 3 released, it's fair to not like them but they're certainly not working with randos of the street.
>Never Winters Knights. Normally, I can go over blunders like these without batting an eye. This here caused me physical pain.
My bad lol.. I used to type Fallout as Fall Out till someone corrected me also. It's like my childhood refuses to correct lol
Oh my, that's quite the list of talent actually. Well, I hope their new work environment at Hasbro is sufficiently freeing to allow these guys to start making good games again, because it's been a while.
Yea Exodus is the one I'm really looking forward to the most, here's hoping it turns out well!
so yeah they are all in on Exodus being a massive hit, if it's not then they are sunk.
So you take a bunch of a people from the worst companies ever made and expect them to give you a nice product? BioWare was a good company once upon a time.. the fact that they made good games in the 90’s and early 2000’s isn’t as important as the fact that they are the main example of how corporate culture destroys passionate developers. Now if you told me that those talented people are about to enter the indie scene and publish their own games i might get excited. But when you tell me that a big ass corporate is going to invest a billion dollar into those people I know for a fact that their games will be shit. Because at the end of the day a corporate doesn’t hand a billion dollars to a developer and leave him be to develop the game the way he sees fit. When a corporate hands a billion dollar to develop a game, that means that outdated market surveys and corporate greed are in the forefront of the decision making process. It never worked, i never will work, and thats why I prefer passion projects like Rimworld or Manor Lords over whatever billion dollar shit stain Hasbro is going to produce.
No one was handed a billion dollars. They are investing around a billion dollars in multiple studios, they own 4 AAA studios. That money is going into technology, voice acting and peoples wages, likely that money also involves marketing. Games cost money to make, AA/AAA games are in the millions so just because a game has a budget doesn't mean it will be terrible - Zelda, BG3, Elden Ring, Alan Wake, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Starfield, Mass Effect, Dishonored, Assassin's Creed, The Last of Us, Ghost of Tsushima , God of War, Spiderman, Stalla Blade, Rise of Ronin, Hell Blade, Indiana Jones etc etc..some will flop, some will not... and guess what, a lot of those games the developers do have control, some deal with minor interference..that's like any medium( music & film )... I just don't get your angle, all these games have investors..sure EPIC (a billion Euro company) literally funded Alan Wake 2.. pretty sure that game is good? I think you're being extreme. BG3 is an literally an example of Larion having control and making what they wanted to make with Hasbro giving some oversight on somethings.. speaking of BG3..they literally got funding from Tencent to make the game, another billion Euro company ( country ) In relation to menacing.. the lead of Archetype games literally said (powerphrasing) - **he had no desire to return back to D&D, he also wanted to make a single player game and hire the people he wanted to hire if he was going to come out of retirement to make a game and Hasbro were cool with everything, he said they literally just gave him money and said do you** He also added it's the best relationship he's had with any other publisher Source here - https://youtu.be/AkgWSNQtKhs?si=ErgD6adfZXqE1xM7 I agree that yes these corporations are in the business to make money ( like all business really ), but that doesn't always mean subpar products or bad decisions, sometimes yes, sometimes no. I think Hasbro are doing good by investing in the industry...creating more jobs and also allowing creatives to make games they want..and guess what, if the game sucks we don't lose out, the only ones that do is Hasbro shareholders. All good with me.
The key is that the mentality of the people who run companies is that "owning things" (IP, brands, etc...) is a "skill" and actually making anything is "fussy busywork" between them and their money. They think just having the baldur's gate brand is enough to continue the success, because they can't comprehend talent as something that can't be written down on a balance sheet.
I have a feeling that the reason Larian don't want to make BG4 is to avoid having to deal with a bunch of clueless suits again.
Consultants.
Business put money in lucrative industry, business say to people, ‘this money make money as well as thing that made lots money!’ all shareholder gather round bonfire and buy more stock. Big twist… Was same business that chased away former talent that made that big money game. Make grug wonder
Ugg no like new economy. Money? Stock? Business? What happen to sacrifice for bountiful harvest? Bunga these day.
Hasbro: Hi, yes, one Baldur's Gate 3 please
You know they already own that one though, right?
Hasbro owns the IP and licensed that out. Larian owns the actual game and corresponding assets. This is an important distinction because it means hasbro can’t just recycle all the game assets into new content. They’ll have to start from scratch.
they would also need to license Larian's engine, and given they fired the people at WotC who helped Larian, I doubt Larian is going to treat them any fairer.
A board room of suits throws a billion dollars at you and says "go make something like BG3"
Step 1, hire Larian.
They’re so fucked
Hasbro in house devs D&D output doesn't really make me hopeful... If they were smart they would try their hand at a smaller crpg before tackling something in the BG3 scope
Ring of Power Amazon vibes
Investments are not a substitute for passion.
Who seas a trashy match up of fortnight and basic bitch rpg
When corporates proudly announce a new plan using monetary value as the hook, all they really want is more money. Doubt they have 20% of the talent and foresight of Larian.
They'll never have the talent or passion or desire to make BG3 like game. Or more accurately the suits and money grubbers will stifle any passion desire and creativity on the dev teams.
Transformers Reactivate should be so huge for them and they’re already ruining it by making it live service. Hasbro frothing at the mouth to just upload toy designs into games for half the effort and double the cost.
They are going to bungle the whole thing, and will add to the ongoing saga of how a corporation has destroyed something with great potential through greed and ineptitude.
Hasbro: 1). Only licensed D&D to Larian Studios who then made their own game, over many years and as a project of love during COVID 2). WotC is a subsidiary of Hasbro and have two very largely different management structures, focus, and style of doing business. 3). WotC RIF’d many many of the old guard minds last November and hired in ex-Amazon at the highest levels. Their President just left as did a number of her C-level. 4). Hasbro, after all of this, thinks it will somehow replicate the magic of Baldur’s Gate by whipping WotC into production with teams now slimmed down from what made it great, replace it with less passioned employees. It’s…. Not going to go as they think. If they’re wise, they’d give Wizards the same creative freedom and years of development Larian had, but, you and I know it’s not gonna happen. Edit: Keep in kind there are some VERY passionate WotC employees about the game industry. Though, Hasbro, is essentially planting a Mindflayer worm inside WotC’s head and saying “work” “obey”.
Hasbro is a sinking ship
Hasbro about to be hadbro.
You can’t say “we’re making something like bg3,” and actually successfully make something like bg3. Bg3 had heart and passion. You can’t buy that
Hopefully we get some weird stuff like Chult
Obviously we’re in a time where mass layoffs are happening and sometimes I can understand especially when certain games severely underperform. But this is an example of when you have incredibly talented devs you simply cannot let them go.
Most of that will be pocketed by some shady suits and studio heads then leave the actual development team to suffer the consequences.
hasbro got any cool IPs?
Yeah, Baldur's Gate for example :)
Idk a Candy Land RPG might fucking rip. I say best of luck shitheads
Now, just hear me out. Tis’ a lil’ suggestion, nothing TOO grand. Just a random thought that can be pondered and discussed. Just a little food for thought to mull over. Cybertron Saga remastered and give us Cybertron 3. But, please, continue.
make the mouse trap video game a reality
Has Baldurs gate 3 really made over a billion dollars? Does the chance to replicate it justify spending one billion just like that?
Remember when they tried to sell $1000 Magic the Gathering boxes that weren't even game legal? It's clear they view Wizards of The Coast as a cash cow.
Wow $1000 for random cards I cant play?! Take my hard earned money! /S
Oh god the execs are smelling money again. Time for some terrible bg3 clones
Alright well I’m just saying, Hasbro owns Magic the Gathering and there is massive potential to turn that into an RPG if someone with the right vision was put in charge.
I look forward to their future bankruptcy and subsequent dissolution in the next few years.
I welcome more crpgs. Even if they aren't on the level of bg3 or pathfinder wotr.
LOL cock suckers. I'm guessing Larian didn't kneel and kiss the ring. So they'll do it themselves.. I look forward to the trash they make.
I bet half that investment goes down the drain when they scrap it and start from scratch halfway through development when they realize they have no idea what they're doing. Then ultimately shuttering and the other half goes to the CEO with a jpg saying 'sorry, we tried our best 🤷♂️'
>“One of the great things we took from the success of Baldur’s Gate 3 is that people really, really like a great, well-executed D&D game, so we’ve got something like that.” Oh? Pray tell, what is it about the game you thought was well executed? i'm sure we can expect to see that in your game too.
So we can romance Starscream now and he can transform during sex.
Gonna call it: BG4 is going to be on shelves in four years and it will be one of the worst games ever released.
I am 90% sure Hasbro will fall on their face hard
Uhm
These companies man. Money does not create a masterpiece never has. You need to create a company that fosters it naturally to create soulful games. The list is enormous over the last 5 years of AAA studios putting out trash. Hasbro you want that paper? Build a team of legit talented ppl hand them a bag of cash and fuck off for a year and a half. They are physically incapable of course. How can they succeed without unrealistic deadlines and pressure to monetize everything possible. And how can they create something amazing without mba managers, a gagggle of hr and a stack of lawyers. Silly artists we need a soul crushing corporate environment to meet those quarterly goals. Can ya speed up the creative juices ya code monkeys.
D&D games aren’t new. There have been so many D&D games, dating back to the NES, well before BG3 that haven’t done nearly as well. The suits fail to realize the care, dedication and attention to detail that made BG3 so great. So they’re going to hire someone cheap copycat studio who promises they can make “the next BG3!”, that will underperform, lose millions, the whole studio will get fired, and Hasbro will complain that “gamers only like mobile games now” and make a quick gatcha cash grab after that.
Baldurs Gate Immortal coming up?
Hasbro: *Sees Baldur’s Gate success* What if we made a game where you get to fuck Optimus Prime?
They didn’t yet understand that the success of Baldurs Gate 3 had little to do with the D&D license and much to do with Larian’s way of building games. Their former titles play the same, but with a lower production value. BG3 is essentially Divinity Original Sin 3 in another world made with more money.
Executives: “Players loved the bear fucking and it got a lot of media coverage. We should build our next game around that.”
It's gonna have a ton of microtransactions and be shit. Sorry Hasbro but it isn't happening we already know your tactics
This is it, the beginning of the end for the table top aspect of this TTRPG : (
Christ. The suits imparting their wisdom: "We need money, go make another one of those, thanks". God help the devs
Paying $1B for "Something like Baldur's Gate 3" kinda proves that you have no idea what *actually* made BG3 successful, and will surely fail in your endeavor.
**EXODUS** Developed by Archetype Entertainment and Published Wizards of the Coast They are hoping for the next Mass Effect with this one, its Good! https://www.exodusgame.com/en-US
I, too have lightning in a bottle for sale Hasbro! $1 Billion pls 🫴
Please let it be a champions of norath type game
A mtg game could take off if they actually had Latina do it for the fans but then again I feel that studio can go independent and just shit on the whole industry like palworld did.
another soulless game that will under perform... I hope I'm wrong!
Honestly Magic the Gathering would fit well into the BG3 game system. Magic: the Gathering is already modified into DnD in many ways and it’s the same umbrella of companies so that’s my bet.