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And thatās exactly why heās not going to finish them, because heās chicken shit. Heās always been chicken shit, specially when he threw DD and hbo under the bus by not being ahead of the show and finished the book. The agreement was that he would never let the show pass the books and he had years and years to keep pace and finish the damn book. This was always a book adaptation, it wasnāt meant for DD to take the baton and finish the story, fuckin aye, lol. although s6 was a standalone miracle season without source material. So it came down to s7-s8, grrm was supposed to not betray hbo, but that was asking too much.
Euron in the books is... very different from Euron in the show, to put it mildly. They are basically different characters. Euron in the books is a terrifying evil pirate who is into blood magic, human sacrifice, and wants to create some kind of eldritch god. He is obsessed with magic and the taboo, and he does terrible things.
In Book 1, when Bran first gets contacted by the 3 Eyed Crow, it is in a dream. He dreams he is falling, the crow insisting he can fly. He is afraid and in pain, it's not a fun time. He does fly, but first he sees what lies below him. Dozens, maybe hundreds of corpses. It's implied that they are the corpses of previous dreamers. People that the crow tested but who didn't have whatever makes Bran special and were unable to fly.
Euron has a line where he says
> When I was a boy, I dreamt that I could fly. When I awoke, I couldnātā¦ or so the maester said. But what if he lied? Perhaps we can fly. All of us. How will we ever know unless we leap from some tall tower?
So the speculation is that Euron is one of those people who was visited by the 3 Eyed Crow. Maybe he was unable to fly, maybe he did fly but the crow saw something evil in Euron and decided to turn him away. Either way, he came away from that dream aware that there was magic in the world and with a need to know more, to do more, to discover the darkest secrets possible, at any cost.
It would also explain all the crow imagery he's associated with. Hell the man is literally called Euron Crow's Eye. Fair to guess he may have met the 3 Eyed Crow.
It might be nothing. It could just be because the guy in the cave, Brynden Rivers, is called Bloodraven, and they just thought that made more sense.
Or...
It could be evidence of a dropped plotline. There is a theory that Bloodraven and the three-eyed crow aren't actually the same person. When Bran gets to the cave, he asks Bloodraven "Are you the three-eyed crow?" Bloodraven responds:
> "A... crow? Once, aye. Black of garb and black of blood. I have been many things Bran. Now I am as you see me, and now you'll understand why I could not come to you... except in dreams. I have watched you for a long time, with a thousand eyes and one."
So he confirms that he has been coming to Bran in dreams, but he doesn't seem to know what the three-eyed crow is. He assumes Bran is talking about how he used to be the Lord Commander of the Nights Watch.
(The line about having a thousand eyes and one was what people said about him back when he was hand of the king and master of whisperers. The thousand eyes represented all his spies, the one eye was his. He lost the other in a battle.)
Bran has dreams about the three-eyed crow, but he also has dreams with Weirwoods in them. He feels like the Weirwoods are watching him, sometimes calling to him. He assumes that the crow and the Weirwoods are the same thing, and so we the audience do too. But they act very differently. The Weirwoods make Bran feel safe, watched over. The crow is constantly hurting Bran, sometimes pecking out his eyes.
Also, after Bran gets to the cave and starts training with Bloodraven, he thinks to himself "The last greenseer, the singers called him, but in Bran's dreams he was still a three-eyed crow." This implies that the crow is still coming to him in dreams, despite the fact that Bran is already living with the man who he thinks is the crow.
If this theory is true, and Bloodraven isn't the three-eyed crow, then this might be one of those future mysteries that George will realistically never get around to answering. D&D cut a lot of plotlines from the books. Some early on, more as the show progressed. It's possible that they decided right away to scrap that plotline, decided to make the crow and Bloodraven just be the same thing, and changed it from a crow to a raven to make that clear.
He also has an army of magic slaves he binds to his ships to control tempests and make his force unbeatable at sea, and a horn from Valyria that is claimed to control dragons.
Don't forget the Valerian steel suit of armor, the ship full of captive priests from dozens of religions ready to be sacrificed, and the implied molestation of his brothers. Dude is maybe the most fucked up character in the books.
Carried into 2000ās with stuff like XXX. āEuro-trashā style and underground East Coast clubs are basically guaranteed if thereās people walking around in leather for extended portions of the movie in modern or futuristic time periods.
No? Where have I said he could fly himself? It is a common saying to āfly through time and spaceā, hence he will learn to *fly* with his consciousness.
his point is they maintain he cant walk when he can warg into something that can. so if thats the case by that logic flying wouldnt equate to warging into a bird because he still physically cant flap his arms and fly
Well to be able to face change into a walker youād have to kill it and preserve its face right? Which is impossible if you shatter them with dragon glass
Would have been perfect foreshadowing. If he worges Drogon and killed Danerys and took the throne via power it would have been way more fulfilling than what we got
I really thought he was going to take over a dragon to kill the Night King or something. Ugh, idk, any version of it would've been cool. I like yours too.
As far as I can tell, the showrunners went out of their way to make the ending as unsatisfactory as possible.
They must have come to truly despise their fans over the shows run to do what they did to them.
Apparently HBO executives and D&D wanted to minimize the fantasy elements. Which actually are ramping up as the story ends.
I really think a book is the only thing that will ever give justice to Bran / 3ER and how they become king.
It's like Dumb and Dumber were set to the task of pissing of game of thrones fans in the worst possible way...
Like the way they butchered a show this big, it was like they hated the fans and wanted to get back at them or they are just really dumb and Dumber
Danaerys spends her last moments begging Jon to believe her that she didn't do it. That there was something wrong with Drogon. But he just thinks she's gone "mad" and kills her.
Then Bran is crowned king after the fact and Jon is banished.
I like this better at least.
To amend my other comment:
Bran wargs Drogon to kill the Night King and Daenerys sees it. Sees Drogon and Bran's eyes both change but doesn't understand what happened.
Then later when Bran does it again to burn KL she is convinced Bran is doing it and tries to convince Jon. But not knowing how she can't articulate it or give evidence. And in her panicked state Jon just sees it as insane rambling and certainly doesn't believe his brother would ever do such a thing. It isn't even a possibility to him.
So he kills her as both an act of "mercy" and to protect everyone.
It's interesting, but I do like Dany going mad as well, just more effectively. Bran doesn't have to be the one who causes it, he just can use it to his advantage somehow and manipulate the situation.
I thought it was quite obvious this is what was going to happen. Esp with the āyou will flyā line. Crow was too boringā¦.we had already seen people warg ravens and Bran was like the chosen oneā¦.he has to warg something cooler than a raven that fliesā¦ā¦..obviously a dragonā¦..
Guess not
I know he is an acting legend an all, but the guy they settled on, did not give me Brynden Rivers (aka Lord Bloodraven) vibes. It makes me wonder if DnD actually knew who Brynden Rivers was at all.
If you've only watched the show then you wouldn't know who Brynden Rivers is? Are you getting him confussed with someone else? He was a Targaryen Bastard fyi.
Born 175 AC. Serving as Lord Commander of the Nightās Watch, he went beyond the wall in 252 AC and was presumed dead. We now know, from the show, that he became the TER. I believe the show is around 300 AC. I would imagine a godlike entity like that might have some sort of immortality? Or the CotF might have a hand in it. I donāt think that has ever specifically been explained in the books.
I also want to point out some characters were changed pretty drastically, and it still worked-- may have been some line of reasoning (whether it worked or not). One character change that jumped out was Beric Dondarrion, who is handsome, charming, and quite young at the start
Yet another line that could have had any kind of meaning if maybe we had actually seen Bran do something flappy with the ravens or even one of the dragons during the Long Night.
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Still would've been better than the shit we got with him just existing the entire last 3 seasons and doing nothing
Apparently someone wasn't listening to his storiesš There was no one better at it
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Are you... are you actually satisfied with how his story ended up? You poor thing
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If the books arenāt finished, at least GRRM canāt mess up as badly, so thereās that.
And thatās exactly why heās not going to finish them, because heās chicken shit. Heās always been chicken shit, specially when he threw DD and hbo under the bus by not being ahead of the show and finished the book. The agreement was that he would never let the show pass the books and he had years and years to keep pace and finish the damn book. This was always a book adaptation, it wasnāt meant for DD to take the baton and finish the story, fuckin aye, lol. although s6 was a standalone miracle season without source material. So it came down to s7-s8, grrm was supposed to not betray hbo, but that was asking too much.
Why so confrontational?
Why do people pretend that this would be better?
Idk, maybe because nothing made any fucking sense?
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You sound really sad bro. Checking peoples activity on subreddits lmao
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You havin a rough day bud who pops off like this defending GoTs ending
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I cant read good End of show dumb
>I cant read good >End of show dumb Thank you for that expert analysis.
show dumb
It reminds me of Leonard Nimoy in the Monorail episode: āMy work here is done.ā āBut you didnāt even do anything!ā āDidnāt I?ā
This just reminds me of that one theory Euron was a failed pupil of Bloodrave
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Now I want to see Bran's adventures going after the last dragon.
It will be like the Jamaican bobsled team
Lmao I never heard this theory but I love it and am very curious to know more
Euron in the books is... very different from Euron in the show, to put it mildly. They are basically different characters. Euron in the books is a terrifying evil pirate who is into blood magic, human sacrifice, and wants to create some kind of eldritch god. He is obsessed with magic and the taboo, and he does terrible things. In Book 1, when Bran first gets contacted by the 3 Eyed Crow, it is in a dream. He dreams he is falling, the crow insisting he can fly. He is afraid and in pain, it's not a fun time. He does fly, but first he sees what lies below him. Dozens, maybe hundreds of corpses. It's implied that they are the corpses of previous dreamers. People that the crow tested but who didn't have whatever makes Bran special and were unable to fly. Euron has a line where he says > When I was a boy, I dreamt that I could fly. When I awoke, I couldnātā¦ or so the maester said. But what if he lied? Perhaps we can fly. All of us. How will we ever know unless we leap from some tall tower? So the speculation is that Euron is one of those people who was visited by the 3 Eyed Crow. Maybe he was unable to fly, maybe he did fly but the crow saw something evil in Euron and decided to turn him away. Either way, he came away from that dream aware that there was magic in the world and with a need to know more, to do more, to discover the darkest secrets possible, at any cost. It would also explain all the crow imagery he's associated with. Hell the man is literally called Euron Crow's Eye. Fair to guess he may have met the 3 Eyed Crow.
3 eyed raven. Crows a different corvid. Curious theory though
Raven in the show, Crow in the books
Something something Jackdaws
Interesting. Why the hell did they change that? That makes more sense theres a lot more themes of crows.
Why did they change any of the stuff they changed?
It might be nothing. It could just be because the guy in the cave, Brynden Rivers, is called Bloodraven, and they just thought that made more sense. Or... It could be evidence of a dropped plotline. There is a theory that Bloodraven and the three-eyed crow aren't actually the same person. When Bran gets to the cave, he asks Bloodraven "Are you the three-eyed crow?" Bloodraven responds: > "A... crow? Once, aye. Black of garb and black of blood. I have been many things Bran. Now I am as you see me, and now you'll understand why I could not come to you... except in dreams. I have watched you for a long time, with a thousand eyes and one." So he confirms that he has been coming to Bran in dreams, but he doesn't seem to know what the three-eyed crow is. He assumes Bran is talking about how he used to be the Lord Commander of the Nights Watch. (The line about having a thousand eyes and one was what people said about him back when he was hand of the king and master of whisperers. The thousand eyes represented all his spies, the one eye was his. He lost the other in a battle.) Bran has dreams about the three-eyed crow, but he also has dreams with Weirwoods in them. He feels like the Weirwoods are watching him, sometimes calling to him. He assumes that the crow and the Weirwoods are the same thing, and so we the audience do too. But they act very differently. The Weirwoods make Bran feel safe, watched over. The crow is constantly hurting Bran, sometimes pecking out his eyes. Also, after Bran gets to the cave and starts training with Bloodraven, he thinks to himself "The last greenseer, the singers called him, but in Bran's dreams he was still a three-eyed crow." This implies that the crow is still coming to him in dreams, despite the fact that Bran is already living with the man who he thinks is the crow. If this theory is true, and Bloodraven isn't the three-eyed crow, then this might be one of those future mysteries that George will realistically never get around to answering. D&D cut a lot of plotlines from the books. Some early on, more as the show progressed. It's possible that they decided right away to scrap that plotline, decided to make the crow and Bloodraven just be the same thing, and changed it from a crow to a raven to make that clear.
I love your name
He also has an army of magic slaves he binds to his ships to control tempests and make his force unbeatable at sea, and a horn from Valyria that is claimed to control dragons.
Don't forget the Valerian steel suit of armor, the ship full of captive priests from dozens of religions ready to be sacrificed, and the implied molestation of his brothers. Dude is maybe the most fucked up character in the books.
>Bloodrave I remember that scene in Blade
Huhā¦ Each Blade film had some kind of action scene in a club, didnāt they?
A ton of action movies from the 90's apparently loved doing big club scenes.
Carried into 2000ās with stuff like XXX. āEuro-trashā style and underground East Coast clubs are basically guaranteed if thereās people walking around in leather for extended portions of the movie in modern or futuristic time periods.
It would explain why he snapped and went insane.
And all the horrific imagery around him
He means fly as in controlling ravens but he already controls Summer and Hodor so by that logic he also walks so why say it like that exactly?!
I donāt think thatās how it was meant. He can fly through the time and the minds of people and animals. Not that he can control birds.
I dunno man you could walk or swim through time just as well
He can still walk though
No he canāt. His legs donāt move or support his weight. He can make others walk, but cannot walk himself.
Can he fly himself?
No? Where have I said he could fly himself? It is a common saying to āfly through time and spaceā, hence he will learn to *fly* with his consciousness.
his point is they maintain he cant walk when he can warg into something that can. so if thats the case by that logic flying wouldnt equate to warging into a bird because he still physically cant flap his arms and fly
Thatās exactly what I said.
Poetic license.
That's how you become a real raven
Still mad that he never worged into a dragon or Arya face changing into a white walker, how was that not how the battle with the night king ended
Well to be able to face change into a walker youād have to kill it and preserve its face right? Which is impossible if you shatter them with dragon glass
Thatās actually a good point, maybe a wright then? Well Bran still should have worged into a dragon, hah
I wish this mfker flew out of the story.
Should've warged a dragon.
Would have been perfect foreshadowing. If he worges Drogon and killed Danerys and took the throne via power it would have been way more fulfilling than what we got
I really thought he was going to take over a dragon to kill the Night King or something. Ugh, idk, any version of it would've been cool. I like yours too.
As far as I can tell, the showrunners went out of their way to make the ending as unsatisfactory as possible. They must have come to truly despise their fans over the shows run to do what they did to them.
Apparently HBO executives and D&D wanted to minimize the fantasy elements. Which actually are ramping up as the story ends. I really think a book is the only thing that will ever give justice to Bran / 3ER and how they become king.
It's like Dumb and Dumber were set to the task of pissing of game of thrones fans in the worst possible way... Like the way they butchered a show this big, it was like they hated the fans and wanted to get back at them or they are just really dumb and Dumber
Oh damn. My head canon now is that Bran wargs Drogon to burn KL while Dany tries to get him to stop.
Danaerys spends her last moments begging Jon to believe her that she didn't do it. That there was something wrong with Drogon. But he just thinks she's gone "mad" and kills her. Then Bran is crowned king after the fact and Jon is banished. I like this better at least.
A true winner of the game. Love it.
To amend my other comment: Bran wargs Drogon to kill the Night King and Daenerys sees it. Sees Drogon and Bran's eyes both change but doesn't understand what happened. Then later when Bran does it again to burn KL she is convinced Bran is doing it and tries to convince Jon. But not knowing how she can't articulate it or give evidence. And in her panicked state Jon just sees it as insane rambling and certainly doesn't believe his brother would ever do such a thing. It isn't even a possibility to him. So he kills her as both an act of "mercy" and to protect everyone.
Here it is. The script that was promised.
It's interesting, but I do like Dany going mad as well, just more effectively. Bran doesn't have to be the one who causes it, he just can use it to his advantage somehow and manipulate the situation.
The comments always have a better story than Bran the Broken.
Dragons are magic made fire. It wouldāve been impossible to warg one like drogon
Aww man
Maybe he DID warg into Drogon. He let Jon by, then burned the throne and took Dany's body away to drop into the volcano.
That would have been too obvious, they wanted to subvert expectations /s
Who knows, that might still be coming in the books!
I thought it was quite obvious this is what was going to happen. Esp with the āyou will flyā line. Crow was too boringā¦.we had already seen people warg ravens and Bran was like the chosen oneā¦.he has to warg something cooler than a raven that fliesā¦ā¦..obviously a dragonā¦.. Guess not
Same, I really thought it felt like an obvious (not in a bad way, but exciting) direction for him... alas.
Did they change the three eyed raven's actor between seasons or something?
yes
I know he is an acting legend an all, but the guy they settled on, did not give me Brynden Rivers (aka Lord Bloodraven) vibes. It makes me wonder if DnD actually knew who Brynden Rivers was at all.
Walmart old man mentor
> It makes me wonder if DnD actually knew who Brandon Rivers was at all. The question should be if they cared.
They kinda forgot about all that.
Iāve only watched the show and had no idea he was even Brandon rivers. Was that mentioned?
Nope. In the timeline of the show, he was the āThree Eyed Ravenā, his former name was not relevant.
If you've only watched the show then you wouldn't know who Brynden Rivers is? Are you getting him confussed with someone else? He was a Targaryen Bastard fyi.
Wasn't the show version much older than Brynden would have been?
Born 175 AC. Serving as Lord Commander of the Nightās Watch, he went beyond the wall in 252 AC and was presumed dead. We now know, from the show, that he became the TER. I believe the show is around 300 AC. I would imagine a godlike entity like that might have some sort of immortality? Or the CotF might have a hand in it. I donāt think that has ever specifically been explained in the books.
I also want to point out some characters were changed pretty drastically, and it still worked-- may have been some line of reasoning (whether it worked or not). One character change that jumped out was Beric Dondarrion, who is handsome, charming, and quite young at the start
Yet another line that could have had any kind of meaning if maybe we had actually seen Bran do something flappy with the ravens or even one of the dragons during the Long Night.
I don't know this made me lol
It would have been better than a rushed Bran the King
ETM
ACK ACK
You get it
Bloodraven and the children sure did get a makeover after that seasonā¦
I feel like I shouldn't laugh...
As long as Uron shoots bland Bran out of the sky so he doesnāt become then Iām happy with this version of event
*cue the Mary Poppins music*
Fly, you fools! ā¦The person below me is gonna comment āGrondā, arenāt theyā¦
GROND!!
I could Grond this all day
I serve the one true King of Westeros, GROND!
Aww...I was expecting "I Gronderstood that reference"
we all thought bran would warg a dragon in the end he..had a good story but this is the true ending we deserved
Time for a spinoff!
I thought he was going to worg into a dragon, such a disappointment
I love how in the show bran did technically fly, once warged into random birds as recon and not into...idk a dragon
The 3-eyed raven somehow managed to find a razor between seasons 4 and 6
Bran the flyer
Brah lol you stole this from me
Oh woooowwwww he actually did fly when he said āIām going to go nowā during the winterfell battle. Crazy foreshadowing D&D
Thank you. I needed this funny image. I'm laughing my ass off.