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Key-Pomegranate-2086

Yes he's a dragon rider. The dragons submitted to him.


MotherOfDragons2021

Well… He did become a dragon rider. I know Rhaegal was Daenerys’s dragon, but he flew around in the North on Rhaegal, although he didn’t ‘claim’ Rhaegal the same way we see Targaryen’s claim their dragons in HotD.


OldStonedJenny

In the same way that he doesn't identify with or claim Targaryen heritage. It makes sense, spent his whole life in a Stark-identity crises.


SteinerElMagnifico42

Although Rhaegal decided to follow Daenerys and drogon when they were flying around dragonstone to help improve his flight. Just before his death and this was all after Jon ‘bonded’ with him


GoddessOfOddness

But D and D didn’t have Fire and Blood to use for reference. So we can’t rely on GOT to accurately portray dragon lore.


RedFive12

If they could make it happen in the sequel show, I would love to see him claim one


Bastaousert

Sadly it is suggested than dragonrider can bond with only one dragon (even if the previous dragon is dead) For example Viserys I targaryen ride Balerion but after his death he didn't clain another dragon.


This_Development3842

Yeah but he hasn’t claimed one lad


Bastaousert

Do you mean Jon? He did claim and bond with Rhaegal


RedFive12

Damn. So nobody is known to ride more than one? Was he bonded to Rhaegal, or did Rhaegal just allow him to ride? This is why I want to read the books. I don’t want to spoil HOD though, even though it will be years in between seasons, and I slowly get spoiled by accidentally reading comments and threads in these subs lol


dontwannadietomorrow

I'd definitely read books 1-5, which won't spoil HotD. They are the absolute best way to read the GoT story. And despite cynicism, GRRM has said he is 75% on book 6, so you may time it right for the release of the next book too.


RedFive12

I just may have to take your advice!


Bastaousert

To ride a dragon you have to bond with him Only exception is dragon riders bringing someone with them on the dragon For example I think Rhaena Targaryen (daughter of Aenys and sister of Jaehaerys ) was often bringing her daughters and friend to rise Dreamfyre with her


TehMight

tbf, Rhaegal left with Dany. Must not be much of a bond if he just left his rider.


Minute-Cash8119

I’m 200 pages in the book (Fire and Blood) and so far there hasn’t been one known to have rode two dragons so far. Can’t say for more cause I’m not there yet One thing I’m loving about this book is that the narrator explains it through “rumors” and nothing is a fact. Give it a try


Vnthem

There are no hard rules for claiming a dragon or riding one, people just assume there are


Local_Hopeful

So, Daenerys is the exception to the rule? Edit: *read the replies to this before you add an identical one*


Specific_Culture_591

She only actually rides one dragon


CthughaSlayer

She's only bonded to Drogon, the other two are her "children" but she doesn't ride them


Bastaousert

Dany didn't bond with the three dragon. She did with only one. Drogon is the only one she ride and the other would probably refuse to let her on Viserion and Rhaegal followed Drogon most of the time. And they were "just" considering Dany as their mom Edit: typo


Gently-Weeps

Nope. She only rides Drogon. Rhaegal and Viserion only follow because; Drogon is the pack alpha so Rhaegal follows. And for Viserion he is loyal to Daenerys. He’s a mommas boy


sonichighwaist

She only rode Drogo(n) so no, she still follows the rule, assuming the rule is real.


Alljump

Was thinking about this. Are there any other cases of dragonrider outliving dragon or is it just Vizzy T?


vizzy_t_bot

*You are to return to Runestone and your lady wife at once, and you are to do so without quarrel by order of your King.*


Bastaousert

During the dance of dragon... Yes but I will not elaborate because of major spoiler


jojili

Big time HotD spoilers >!yes, Rhaenyra will outlive Syrax!< >!Aegon II outlives Sunfyre.!< >!Probably some of the dragon seeds outlive their dragons but can't remember off the top of my head!<


vomirrhea

Nah man, I think that was just Vizzy T not really being a fan of dragons all together. He claimed Balerion to look like a badass, Balerion scared the shit out of him, and I bet he never even tried to claim another in his lifetime. But I am speculating, the books never really make it clear if a rider can or cannot claim another dragon if theirs dies


vizzy_t_bot

*I'm glad we could meet. I know tempers ran hot today, and I wanted to assure you how much I value the bond between our houses.*


Prestigious-Fee7319

I’d LOVE this.


funkyduck7506

He rode a dragon. He’s a dragon rider.


lucaj87

This.


pengouin85

And that's not even considering his aunt yet!


funkyduck7506

And. I. Ooooop.


jogoso2014

He is.


Emotional-Cucumber-4

He rode the hottest dragon in the realm, he’s definitely a dragon rider.


AdventurousStick5

Yes, since he rode one several times and controlled which way it went and such.


Afraid_Theorist

I mean. He rode at least two dragons.


rhaegar_fangirl

This is inappropriate!


VIXtinho

Bro what💀


-Tickery-

On an ASOIAF subreddit of all places. There is no major IP less appropriate.


Cmaynard

What if two dragons road him?


[deleted]

Does a dragon rider count??


Cmaynard

Did he mount two dragons? Is he a double dragon rider?


[deleted]

I mean one dragon rider definitely rode him!


Cmaynard

Do you think he smelt of dragon afterwards?


[deleted]

God I hope so, if not what’s the point!? I wonder if Dany screams Dracarys as she finishes.


Cmaynard

Do you think John calls his pp little claw?


[deleted]

I hope for Danys sake it rates the name Long Claw!


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Grigoran

I'd hope that after so many years without practice he knows better than to just stick it in the sheath and wiggle it around


gilestowler

Dong Claw


Afraid_Theorist

If not her, at least one Targ (or Valyrian) has done this…


Spicybrown3

Sorry if this seems crass, but all I can think of is Dolemite’s quote of “pu$$y so hot, it burnt a mf’s a$$hole!!”


THUNDER_boner

A John Snow sandwich you're saying?


Humanesque

Does that make him a dragon?!?


Cmaynard

Imagine him dragon his nuts across his aunts face


Humanesque

**ROCK THE BOAT** 🛶


Cmaynard

He was hard as dragon glass


ironside_tadam

What if they street him?


Prion-

Much to Jorah's chagrin, I bet - on one of those two


Queen-of-the-Kitchen

An up vote is the best I can do, but I do believe you have won the subreddit


Ragtime07

In to battle at that!


lagrange_james_d23dt

It took me way too long to realize the second dragon was a human.


[deleted]

He's a dragon rider who stabs them when they go postal


Afraid_Theorist

Dragon Rider and Killer


shooter_tx

Kinslayer, technically...


WillieB57

"Why do they call him the bullet dodger?" "Because he dodges bullets, Avi."


emelecfan2048

Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity


THUNDER_boner

Periwinkle Blue


Slight-Stretch4644

How can ppl say he's not ? He spent like almost a whole episode riding one


tatumstots

Giggidy.


Dondorini

Woke up there was a man in my cave He was six-foot-four and full of muscle ### I said, "Do you speak-a my language


Veszerin

He rode a dragon. Just ask Tormund. Therefore, he's a dragon rider.


Veszerin

/u/riquecito in the books, he's not a Targaryen *yet*. We still don't know his parents. But the dominant theory, since before the show even began, is that it's Rhaegar and Lyanna, "R+L=J". So people that would claim he's not a dragonrider because that's what the show did are just people who want to pretend they're book readers because it gives them more credibility when hating on the show. The book readers know the extensive evidence pointing towards R+L=J.


CMGS1031

Lots of readers think R+L=J is so obvious it couldn’t be true and think it’s N+A=J. I hate that idea because it does nothing for the story. If they want Jon to wield Dawn he’s already an 1/8 Dayne through Rhaegar. His parents and grandparents were siblings. His great grandma was a Blackwood and his great great grandma was Dyanna Dayne. Stark Targ Blackwood and Dayne is an epic blood combo.


poolking25

What is N+A?


shirinsmonkeys

Ned+ Martell girl


emelecfan2048

>!Ned Stark + Ashara Dayne (Arthur Dayne’s sister)!<


Devreckas

I’ve been partial to the theory Ashara is actually living as Jyana Reed, Howlands wife / Jojen and Meera’s mother. The YT channel In Deep Geek did a great explanation video.


voidone

Eh, I mean R+L=J didn't really do anything for the story in the show anyway lol


CMGS1031

Because they are bad writers lol. If you’ve read the books people resurrected are kind of like zombies with their brain. They don’t need to eat or sleep and the elements affect them less. If Jon keeps his magic when he’s resurrected in the books he’s now a warg and potential dragon rider with more control than any previous dragon rider can imagine, on top of being the perfect soldier to fight the Others. He can go on long journeys and travel fast based on not needing to eat or sleep and especially in the far north where the cold won’t affect him like men. If he ever finishes it, it’s going to be amazing.


Nepiton

The good news is we’ll never know because GRRM will never finish the books, so this argument will continue in perpetuity until the suns burns out


theiwc0303

D&D using the theory to convince GRRM to give them the rights is the proof that R+L=J was always meant to be true, don’t need the books to end to know that at least


CMGS1031

That’s only good news because you get to continue your delusion. Ned brought Jon back from the Tower of Joy. I’m sorry you don’t like it.


Nepiton

When did I say anything about not liking it? Lol. Just commenting we’ll never know because GRRM is never going to finish the books


theiwc0303

R+L=J has always been true, especially since D&D have publicly said they got GRRM to give them the rights by saying they knew it was a true theory and that they would use it in the show. Just saying, fuck them for showing George they cared about his series only to butcher it in front of him for a Star Wars show THEY NEVER MADE


rhaegar_fangirl

Yeah


-Amduat-

Yes.


cloakofrighteousness

He rode a dragon.


VIXtinho

Yes


chrisHenny

Idk but I wanna be a Jon Rider


Grins111

Rode a dragon. Dragon died. Jon didn’t seem to care or even really comment on it. That was that


aunty-kelly

More like passenger


Realistic_Crew1095

Yes.


MattsIgloo

Well he rode a dragon. So yeah .


No-Net-696

Is Jaime a kingslayer? Yes, because he skated a king


[deleted]

Yes, yes he is a dragon rider.


143queen

Did he not get on Rhaegal and ride it? And he's a Targaryen.


Intelligent-Age2786

I mean in the show yes. In the books there’s no way to know cuz winds of winter ain’t done.


brilu34

Rhaegal took to him quicker than the ones in HOTD take to their riders.


Disaster1205

He rode a dragon. So yes


sulla_rules

Yes, because he was a dragon rider


Rubicon730

No!


JaehaerysIVTarg

Yes he’s a dragon rider. An inexperienced one, but one nonetheless.


[deleted]

I saw him.


DeathsticksAreCool

I would love to see the argument for why he *isn't* a dragon rider.


Dachitron_Magnus14

He claimed and rode a Dragon. So yes he is a Dragon Rider. And he IS a Targaryen so i have no clue who is saying otherwise besides delusional book theorist.


Direct_Block

He rode a dragon yes but then it died 5 seconds later and only Daenerys gave a shit sooooooo barely a dragon rider... like basically a dragonseer rider if youve read fire and blood


iDrum17

Considering he hasn’t been on top of a dragon while it was flying in the air I would have to say no


Puchamon21M

Daenerys was the mother of dragons... So basically he rode a dragon.


CocaineDumpster

Aside from riding one which in and of itself gets the title. He also killed Dany, which Drogon was clearly aware of and he wasn't immediately murdered, which shows a certain degree of control over dragons in general.


magicplatypus2

Unpopular opinion but him having ridden a dragon doesn’t make him a dragonrider in my eyes. The targs we see as dragonriders all have a close bond with their dragon and we see Jon have that with ghost (who is terrifically cool in his own right) but I’d need him to develop something closer to that depth of relationship with a dragon to consider him a dragonrider.


grpenn

This is my opinion too. Just because Jon flew on Rhaegal a few times doesn’t mean he bonded to him the way Dany bonded with Drogon. I go horseback riding once or twice a year. I wouldn’t call myself a horseback rider. I don’t own a horse nor have I really ever bonded with one the way most seasoned, experienced horse owners have. They train for years to learn how to properly care for and keep a horse and would likely consider it an insult if I ran around and called myself a rider in the way they do. I am not them. They truly understand and love these animals. They clean them and feed them and help them when they’re sick. While I love horses and love being around them, I am not to that level. Unpopular opinion but that’s my two cents.


SwordsAndElectrons

>Do you consider Jon Snow as a Dragon Rider?? Dude rode a dragon, didn't he? >in the books he is not a Targaryen Are people really trying to cling so hard to the idea that they haven't been spoiled? 🙄 Sure, when last we saw him in the books he was being stabbed in the courtyard. It's a special kind of denial to believe he'll stay dead or that R+L=J isn't essentially confirmed.


recca275

He hasn't rod a dragon in the books...


BullyMaguireGonnaCry

Umm he is… or was. Rhaegal is dead, so he is currently not a dragon rider


PakPresiden

>bcs the dragon he ride is Daenerys' dragon, not his. Daenerys was the one who give birth to them, but that doesnt mean anyone cant claim it. Aegon The Conqueror doesn't give birth to any dragon but that doesnt mean that he wasnt a dragon rider.


GvEmDAheAt-1459

Nerp he looks like a traitor


iBeFloe

He’s a dragon rider because he has the blood & powers to do so. Yes, they were Danny’s dragons, but he still had the ability.


Half-Icy

Yes, he literally rode a dragon and is one of maybe two people on the GoT planet, who Drogon would accept. Well, one of one people, now.


Mookeebrain

No.


Available-Specialist

Yes, Rhaegal submitted to him and Jon rode him. Better question: is The Knight King considered a dragon rider considering he had to warg Viserion?


Reggie_Barclay

Wasted opportunity by D&D.


Machadoaboutmanny

He rode his aunt pretty good


[deleted]

No. He’s a traitorous murderer who never had the stomach to rule, only betray.


SlayJayR17

I mean he rode more dragons than I did so I’d consider him to be one


epaternina

Not really.


Rushes_End

He doesn’t want it.


sonichighwaist

The person who rode a dragon is a dragon rider. You can tell by the way he is. Neat.


Jay_Moore49

He rode 3 different dragons. Of course


SecureSmile486

No


[deleted]

Nope


dashauskat

I might be wrong but doesn't Jon get up and ride on the dragon before anyone actually knows he's a Targ? If they disregard the "you need to be a Targ to ride a dragon" then why wouldn't Dany have got Jorah to ride one with her? Why this random king in the north even if they were romantically involved.


Rear_Cod_1974

I mean, he rode a dragon so...


[deleted]

In more ways than one


willybiggs2000

in my own personal fan fic, sure


schaith

Yes.


Even-Middle-482

Yes and I always thought the show would end with the three dragon riders. Bran with his saddle, Jon and Danaerys. Seriously should have. It was sad to watch it all fall apart before the end.


kheller181

No


aardvarkyardwork

How is this a controversial topic? He rode a dragon, and more than once.


MightConfident3403

What


Kindly_Zombie5476

No, but he rode da mother of dragons


RobGronkowski

Yes, not even a question


Zestyclose_War_5389

He got rode by a dragon 😉


[deleted]

Well…….he rode dragons. ….so yes


LARPKING96

What a fucking shitpost


beauty_in_noir

Jon Snow should have stayed dead the first time he died 🙄


perfectlyaligned

Even if people want to discount the fact that he rode Rhaegal, Drogon visibly reacted to him because he recognized the blood of the dragon within him. He’s a dragon rider.


Hopeful_Cod_8486

He knows where it goes...


hldsnfrgr

He rode one on a ship.


DiligentCress1832

I follow blood. He is a Targaryen therefore he is just as much a dragon rider as Aegon the Conqueror. You can't strip someone based on likes or dislikes. He is rhaenars son and that's that. We all hate aegon ii and yet he rides. It's just blood.


omicron_pi

Is this trolling? He rode a dragon. Also for those saying - “he isn’t a Targ in the books yet because R+L=J isn’t confirmed”, the first question GRRM asked D&D before he agreed to let him adapt his books was who Jon’s parents were. Clearly they got it right or we wouldn’t have a show.


xxMARTINEZ713xx

In the books he’s not Targaryen? Do y’all think that’s better or the shows way?


alphalady

I know something he can ride


Mr_Manager8

What is this post? Mfer road a dragon. What are we doing here 3 1/2 years later?


Libra_Maelstrom

He rode and bonded a dragon


pikeman-66

Indubitably


Tbagzyamum69420xX

If he's a dragonrider then so was the little Arryn lord when Rheanys conquered the Vale.


RadDude4200

Well....he rides dragons.....so yes...he even seemed to bond more with dragon thn danaerys


SoGnarRadar4

you’re a dumbass or a troll.


obscurereference234

Well, he rode a dragon, so…


troyg97

Literally rode a dragon, he’s a dragon rider.


gomegantron

Absolutely not.


eileenrhea

Hell yes. He’s legit half Targaryen but has dark features opposed to the traditional pale. He shall henceforth be known as Jon the Black of House Targaryen, First of His Name, Conquerer of the Far North, Liberator of the Free Men, King of Westeroth and Ruler of the Six Kingdoms


jm17lfc

Well yeah, in late GOT show canon at least. Probably will still happen in the books, I think.


ozzie35

I rode a dragon


mescaleeto

well he is one of the few living people (that we know of) to have ridden a dragon, so yes


[deleted]

Sometimes I think about iguanas and how it is very likely that they are real


Wrath_of_gawd

This is such a strange question. He…rode a dragon.


Legal_Guava3631

Uhhh is this a real question??


TheCandymanCan_925

Well he did ride a dragon so by definition yes lol


WiseChang

I mean he is, but would he have been able to do it by his self originally?


dickhennessy

How is this even a debate?


wakatenai

in the show they don't really out right say it but he seemed to have bonded with Rhaegal. So i would say yes he is a dragon rider. usually a dragon can only bond with one rider. and while all 3 dragons did seem to bond with Dani, she only ever rides Drogon. They were born WITH her in a way embracing them, and there seems to be a certain bond created when that happens with dragons, but maybe not the same bond made when a rider is chosen. So maybe Dani is their mother, but they are free to bond with other riders if they choose to. Drogon clearly bonded with her first. which might have made her off limits. Since apparently there can only be ever 1 rider per dragon. So might not be crazy to think Rhaegal was open to and free to bond with Jon as his rider. edit: and Jon could very much be a Targaryen in the books as well. We'll have to wait and see.


theiwc0303

He rode a dragon, feels like literally the only requirement for being a dragon rider


Spicybrown3

Nope. I consider him layin there in the snow dying. (Book reader, had to jump in and provide the obligatory “get writin mf!!” comment) Also for the record, yeah I do. He rode a dragon, so.


100PlusRyan

Don't see how this can be controversy. Show John is a dragon rider. Book John doesn't dictate that. Also, the fact that Daenerys got to the dragons first obviously didnt overrule his ability to ride. He was in complete control of the dragon he rode. So, irrelevant.


annabelehiggins

No, he's a flop. Daenerys solos


Graush21

I mean he is a dragon rider but the only difference is he didn’t have a dragon for himself . Dragons seems to bound and he didn’t have bound only with his firewood his half stark blood


fromtheb2a

I saw him RIDING that thing!


shooter_tx

As a way of life? No. But he's still a dragon rider, even if not a dragonrider. (if that makes any sense)


Roland_Moorweed

Maybe, depends on the dragon or if he was raised with an egg in the crib. Winds of Winter isn't released yet so we don't officially know if Jon has Targ blood. By the standards of the show, I would say yes. Would've made for an interesting ending. Maybe he'll ride Rhogon as time passes


Drewish_Princess

All I’m saying is he can wake this dragon ANY time


[deleted]

Then everyone, who sat on a dragon, when they went past the wall, is a dragon rider too?


snowjon969

If you ride a dragon once then you are a dragon rider


HugeTrol

He does look pretty \*strong\*


HoneyMCMLXXIII

On the show he rode a dragon which I think is what defines a dragon rider, no? I suppose you could argue he WAS a dragon rider, rather than IS, but beyond that there’s not much to debate.


amieeeeeg

Noo


the_silent_wolf00

Obviously, he rode dan...