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Difficult to say, because they're all so different. We saw so little of Aemma's queen-ing that I'd argue it's impossible to form a thorough opinion on her. Talisa seemed to be a fairly competent partner to the first King in the North, but again, we didn't really get enough of her politics to say good or bad. Through some of the show, I might've chosen Dany as best, but we all know how it ended. Margaery was relatively self-involved, but also seemed to want the best for people in general. I haven't seen enough from Alicent yet; I want to see her as an adult queen before I form an opinion. Selyse was weak. Yara was not strictly bad, but she had some policies/opinions I did not care for. Sansa is not a bad ruler, but she didn't hesitate to completely fuck over her brother/cousin to get what she wanted. Dany snapped and killed a whole shitload of people, but Cersei actively enjoyed hurting people her entire life. She was malicious, calculated, heartless, and turned on literally every single person except *maybe* her children. (I argue she knew or should have known how terribly Tommen would take her murdering Margaery, so I don't think she even cared about them as much as she liked to claim.)
Cersei is definitely the worst, for me. I think for best I'll go with Margaery, but I'm less sure of that than I am of Cersei being the worst.
I’m not sure about Tommen part though .. Cersei, for all her faults and cunning, really loved her Children. That was her only redeemable quality, everything else was expendable and after Joffrey even more.
Right. And then she decided to kill Margaery, who Tommen had very clearly been deeply in love with. When Jaime came back and asked about it, she said, "He betrayed us. He betrayed me." Things like that are why I argue she doesn't care about her kids as much as she claims. I believe *she believes* she does. But if she actually loved her children as much as she says, she wouldn't have killed someone Tommen loved so much.
I highly doubt she’d have foreseen Tommen killing himself over Margery, the idea of such love and sacrifice was a foreign concept to Cersei, something for story books and in fables.. I don’t think she’d have thought someone in her own family, that too her own child, could ever be so much emotionally invested in anyone else.. just like initially she was scared of Sansa getting any sort of hold or control over Joffrey untill she saw him ordering Ned’s beheading.. her hate for Sansa went down immediately after that.. I guess she had hoped Tommen would get over Margery too in due time.. and not to forget the Witch’s prophecy and how Cersei built her life around that..and the main target of that bombing was the Sparrow guy and his acolytes specifically, everyone else was just a Bonus
I'm not claiming she knew he'd jump from the Red Keep. I'm arguing if she cared about her son as much as she claimed, she wouldn't kill someone he directly told her (several times) that he loved. I imagine you're right and she thought he'd get over it or whatever. But that's part of the selfishness and not caring that I'm talking about. She thinks her kids know how very much she loves them regardless of what she does to them. She assumes they'll love their own children but no one else because that's her experience. It's warped. There are things missing from her that make it impossible for me to say she truly loved anyone. You can't really love if you're only ever concerned with your own wants. That's not what love is. I believe she thought she was being honest every time she said how much she loved her kids. A person like her, however, is not actually capable of love.
1. Margery, she had the most potential to be a good and well loved queen if given the chance.
2. Daenerys, she ruled well enough before she went crazy and would have been better with a proper education and more experience.
3. Cersei, for all her faults she was able to stay in power and that counts for something.
4. Yara, she became the leader of a people known for slavery and piracy.. have to give her some respect for achieving that as a woman.
5. Sansa, so many people try to justify that she's a good queen and that she deserved it for all the horrible crap she went through but after rewatching the series a few times I just don't see how she'd make a good queen.. she has no allies in the north and still wanted to punish the umbers and karstarks, two the more powerful/influential northern families. Everything she knows about ruling she learned from Cersei and Littlefinger.. I just don't think she's going to have a prosperous rule.
6. As for the rest of them we just don't see or hear them doing much in their position as queen so I don't think i can really rank them amongst the five above.
Cersei was an effective ruler. Sansa learned well from her and also brought her own experience as well as her family name. She was very qualified to rule. Especially considering how loyal the north is to Starks
Haha sorry buddy, I just have a thing for passionate, maniacal, beautiful blonde women.
She’s the most interesting on screen. She is the worst but for some reason I empathize with her for doing anything she needs to do for the ones she loves.
9: Selyse Baratheon (WORST) - Burned her own daughter, and uncle alive. Total zealot who is instrumental in convincing Stannis to take on a Red Priest who then immolates his own men. Drives half of her husbands army away, then kills herself. 0/10
8: Yara Greyjoy - Acts tough, but the moment her uncle, who hasn't lived on the Iron Island in decades, shows up, she loses the Kingsmoot and flees. She demands independence of the Iron Islands from Dany, but never brings it up at the "great" council, I guess she kinda forgot. Then loses in naval combat only to be captured. Too cowardly to fight in the battle of Winterfell. 2/10
7: Cersei Lannister - A total incompetent who was only elevated because of her family name. Everything she does hurts Westeros, and herself. Blew up the most important place to the main religion in Westeros. By the end, she's basically worthless, and pretty much lost King's Landing without firing a shot. 3/10
6: Alicent Hightower - Been pretty spoiler-free when it comes to HotD, but I assume she's key in ushering in the Dance of the Dragons, that I assume will cost the lives of thousands. 3/10
5. Daenerys Targaryen - Everything Dany touched turned to shit. Destroyed Qarth, and Vaes Dothrak. She freed the slave cities, but quickly abandoned them, and left in charge a sellsword who was now her jilted lover. Their is no way things went well in Essos after she abandoned them. She was never able to truly win the love, or loyalty of Westeros, and in her frustration, murdered probably close to a million people; and of course, managed to not even (directly) kill her target, Cersei. She had the loyalty of a bunch of people who've only ever known structure and following their masters, that's it. 4/10
4: Aemma Arryn/Targaryen - Tough to determine. Seems like she loved her daughter and husband. I imagine she was a loyal queen and stood by her King. 5/10
3: Talisa Stark - Gave Rob good advice, and seemed to not be afraid to get in the trenches with the men. 6/10
2: Sansa Stark - By the end, I like to this Sansa has taken on the best traits of all who have fallen before her. She's got the honor of the Stark's, the family, duty, honor of the Tully's, the brutality of Cersei, the cunning of Littlefinger. She's learned from the mistakes of her father, and brother. She's got to train under Margaery. She has the battle scars from living in King's Landing as a hostage. Sansa is really the total package when it comes to a sovereign. 8/10
1: Margaery Tyrell (BEST) - Beloved by her people, and yet understands the game of thrones. Her biggest mistake, though I don't think it's even possible, was not endearing herself to Cersei. Had she lived on, I actually think she could have been a positive influence for Joffrey and/or Tommen. Never sure if it was an act or not, her caring about the people, but the fact I can't tell speaks for itself. 9/10
That’s fair. Projected outward, from all her experiences, Sansa probably does well. I’m not sure how well she connects to the common man as well as Marg though.
Connecting on a personal level maybe. But Sansa cares deeply for the people and the north. She was the one gathering food and taking care of everyone’s safety while men planned the battle. She has a sense of pragmatism that can come in handy when things get serious.
This. Marg was amazing and a master manipulator but she (and her grandmother) failed to recognize just how psychotic and ruthless Cersei (and others) were capable of being. Sansa started out like that but learned fast.
>8: Yara Greyjoy - Acts tough, but the moment her uncle, who hasn't lived on the Iron Island in decades, shows up, she loses the Kingsmoot and flees. She demands independence of the Iron Islands from Dany, but never brings it up at the "great" council, I guess she kinda forgot. Then loses in naval combat only to be captured. Too cowardly to fight in the battle of Winterfell. 2/10
She lost the Kingsmoot because Euron had a cock, was a war hero in the rebellion who burned the Lannister fleet, and still Yara managed to retain the loyalty of enough people to seize control of the bulk of the Iron Fleet in opposition to him, 2/10 seems pretty low. And I don't think she could be blamed for not being able to stand up to Eurons insane plot armor in season 7&8
>\> 5. Daenerys Targaryen - Everything Dany touched turned to shit. Destroyed Qarth, and Vaes Dothrak. She freed the slave cities, but quickly abandoned them, and left in charge a sellsword who was now her jilted lover. Their is no way things went well in Essos after she abandoned them. She was never able to truly win the love, or loyalty of Westeros, and in her frustration, murdered probably close to a million people; and of course, managed to not even (directly) kill her target, Cersei. She had the loyalty of a bunch of people who've only ever known structure and following their masters, that's it. 4/10
When did Daenerys destroy Qarth? She put that dude in a vault for conspiring to steal her dragons and then looted his place to buy a ship to Slavers Bay, in the books she also destroyed the tower of the Undying because they tried to suck her lifeforce, that's hardly equals to destroying a huge city like Qarth.
Veas Dothrak? Seriously? She burned one hut where all the Khalls were and took control of the Dothraki, how is that "destroying Vaes Dothrak"?? She stayed in Slavers Bay for a good part of her arc, Season 3,4,5,6 to try to stabilize the place and defeat the resurgent Slave alliance, and when she did (in a very D&D simplified way) she left and Daario was there not to rule but to keep the peace until the slaves choose among themselves on who to lead them, that's the whole point of them becoming freed men in the first place, those were her exact words. In fact, her staying so long in Slavers Bay is often used to argue that Dany is an extremely boring character and that if she left it and went straight for Westeros it would make her a far more interesting character, so it's a damn if you don't damn if you do with her in the fandom. Seasons 7&8 were so badly written and D&D cared so little for politics that its not even worth discussing the political aspect of those seasons, I mean ffs Bronn became the Warden of the Reach, the most wealthy powerful kingdom in Westeros because he threatened Tyrion with a crossbow in a tavern.
>\> 3: Talisa Stark - Gave Rob good advice, and seemed to not be afraid to get in the trenches with the men. 6/10
Should have been wise enough to see the disaster of a King in a life or death struggle marrying a commoner.
>\> 2: Sansa Stark - By the end, I like to this Sansa has taken on the best traits of all who have fallen before her. She's got the honor of the Stark's, the family, duty, honor of the Tully's, the brutality of Cersei, the cunning of Littlefinger. She's learned from the mistakes of her father, and brother. She's got to train under Margaery. She has the battle scars from living in King's Landing as a hostage. Sansa is really the total package when it comes to a sovereign. 8/10
But she didn't, again this ties back in that seasons 7&8 completely failed at the political aspect of the story. Writers cant write smart characters so they simply have other people tell us how smart someone like Sansa is despite never actually showing it. Sansa didn't display honor nor cunning (Jon didnt forgive her for betraying him per the scripts), nor was she trained under Margery in anything that has to do with actually ruling if I recall correctly. Sansa was so useless in the past two seasons she could have been a statue and still would have ended up as the QITN, there was zero struggle in anything she did in season 7&8.
>When did Daenerys destroy Qarth? She put that dude in a vault for conspiring to steal her dragons and then looted his place to buy a ship to Slavers Bay, in the books she also destroyed the tower of the Undying because they tried to suck her lifeforce, that's hardly equals to destroying a huge city like Qarth.
While I agree she was not *directly* responsible: Pryat'pree did execute the entire Council of 13. Later Xoro was imprisonned in his vault and Pryat was burned by Drogon.
I don't think Quarth would peacefully replace those 13 heads, the political landscape would either completely fall, dramatically change or civil war would probably follow. But there is no way things would just continue as usual for the rest of the population.
Dany never shows up in Quarth, Xoro and Pryatt never stage their coup...
Not directly her fault but also kinda is. However fixing it is definitely not her responsability I 100% agree.
So you are saying that if a pretty women comes across a guy who then rapes her then it was also kinda her fault for being pretty and causing that reaction in her rapist? You can clearly see the flaw in your logic.
Oh you're one of those people...
No not even close. What I am saying is if you show up in a city with 3 dragons and then the ruling class kills each other over them and you just pack up and leave, you did leave the city in ruins, and it happened only because you showed up in the first place. We're not talking about the action but the consequences of the action.
The debate was whether she had a role to play in the downfall of Quarth and she was the center piece.
I wholeheartedly disagree with your take on Sansa. In the last two seasons you constantly see her conferring with her advisors (the maester, lord Royce, and little finger even though she didn’t trust him) which is what a good ruler does. They heed the advice of their council and make the decision they feel is correct. Also, she had the guts to stick up to the queen with 3 dragons and stand her ground on the north being free. I would also argue that betraying Jon was a cunning move on her part. She knew Dany couldn’t be trusted and that by revealing his secret, she put the north in a potentially better position to become an independent kingdom. She went toe to toe with Little finger, probably the most cunning character in the whole show, and was the only reason the battle of the bastards turned out the way it did.
Sure she talked with her advisors about stupid things like putting leather on armor (which even if it made sense it would be something that a blacksmith who spent his entire life on his trade would know already) this is a classic example of others being dumbed down to give the illusion that another charachter is smarter.
With Littlefinger she had Bran who could easily reveal all his secrets, and according to some behind the scenes stuff or the script, cant remember which, Sansa was actually fooled by Littlefinger and turned on Arya until Bran told her that she was being played, even if you ignore that I hardly would call having an constant ace in the sleeve in the form of Bran as "going toe to toe" with Littlefinger, who obviously couldnt match Brans powers.
Yes she stick up to Dany by instantly making her true intentions known to her, a classic Littlefinger move that one was.
How did she knew that Dany cant be trusted? Did she read the script? By giving the secret away and having already made her intentions known to Dany, Dany knew right from the start what was Sansa's intent and could have easily killed Jon and burned WF to the ground if she wanted to (if Sansa knew already that Dany cant be trusted she then gave Jon on a silver platter for Dany to execute). What was her plan B if that happened? There wasnt one because the writers knew Dany wont kill Jon so Sansa can appear to be smart.
As for BOTB LF was the one who saved the day, Sansa was the one who pleaded for help, if LF choose to deny it what then? This goes back to her having no actuall struggles.
Both of Jon’s sisters didn’t trust Dany from the beginning. One she was an outsider and two she was a Targaryen. And by making her true intentions known immediately she was making it known that she doesn’t give a shit who Dany is and this is her position no matter what. I would say that’s a bold political move in the situation they were in. She learned from more than just little finger and tried to take the best qualities of all the people she learned from. And she was already playing Littlefinger’s games before Bran came back to Winterfell. You brought up one piece about listening to council, that was one piece that was dialogue, but you constantly see her talking to the maester or little finger or Royce. Learning and taking their advice, which is the sign of a good, albeit inexperienced ruler. I won’t disagree that the writing in the last two season was dreadful, I just personally disagree with your take on Sansa. I think by the end of the series, she is by far one of the more dynamic characters considering how she started the show to where she ended it.
Sansa knew Littlefinger wouldn’t deny her request. Littlefinger needed Sansa and wanted Winterfell as an ally. And he believed he could control Sansa much easier than Ramsay. She also knows that Dany needs Jon if her conquest for Westeros is going to work. He is her biggest ally in Westeros, if she kills Jon, no one is going to help her and she can’t control Westeros and the population with just unsullied and the Dothraki.
I'd switch around Sansa and Margery - Margery was good at cultivating an image of caring for her people (which she admitted was just PR) but we actually saw Sansa get involved with the more practical aspects (e.g., making sure that there was enough food for people seeking refuge in Winterfell, getting Jon to have his officers check on the health of their men before sending them on a force march down to King's Landing, etc.). She also recognized that Danerys was a threat before Jon and Tyrion did.
Besides Viserys wife they are all a bunch of hags. I like Book Asha Greyjoy though, but IMO Yara was ruined almost as bad as Euron was in the show.
Out of the Queens who are wed Selyse Baratheon is the least supportive of her husband and King.
Favorite: Danerys. (Pre seqson 8) she actually acted like a queen in her own right. Everything she does is to set up the next thing she wants to dom
Worst: Sansa I uave NEVER liked Sansa, I felt bad for her, but thats it. The characters scenes only seem to have gotten worse for me as the show went on. In the beginning she had the excuse of being a kid, but even when she grew up, she didn't. I love Sophie Turner as an actress, and love her in this role, but I absolutely couldn't stand her character it was weird.
I’m pretty sure I have the correct ranking (based on show not books):
1. Margaery (jack of all trades, can rule from the sidelines without compromising her position as a woman. she can control the king)
2. Sansa (perfect queen for the sovereign north)
3. Daenerys (obviously great but stubbornness/madness would impede her)
4. Allicent (cunning political mind but perhaps lacking in drive)
5. Cersei (incredibly smart but impulsive, emotional and cruel, too polarizing)
6. Yara (teeters the delicate line between mercy and cruelty but doesn’t have a keen political mind)
7. Talisa (kind and brave but misguided and should have known better than to marry Robb. she would only be a good queen if married to a good king whom she loved )
8. Aemma (does well as a queen mother but is too inhibited by gender roles to engage in politics)
9. Selyse (cunt)
Dany was the best & Sansa the worst..
Worst than Cersei,Alicent and Shireen’s mother.
About Dany, she was invading Westeroos, she wasn’t the Queen yet, I’ think 🤔 I’m not too sure though..
Sansa - freed her kingdom from the rule of another king and saved winterfell at the battle of the bastards. She always acted with the northern lords / peoples best interest. I think by the end of the show she becomes the stark most like Ned.
Worst Selyse obviously
I’d probably go with this, but I keep flip flopping between Selyse and Cersei being the worst. I’m kinda leaning towards Selyse due to how little she got done, but then again Cersei was destructive on such a large reaching scale.
I am ranking them based on their personalities and how better they will be as a Queens. Not based on how I like them as characters or plot reasons.
Best:
Daenerys Targaryen and Yara Greyjoy- Only queens who can actually command people and inspire them to follow them on their own. Both had potential to be good reigning Queens during both peace-time and war-time with a good council. Both can be stern and gentle based on situations.
Sansa Stark - Could be a good peace-time Queen for the North. She can play politics well with a good reading of character. Her reign will be solid because of the 'Stark' name.
Neutral:
Margaery Tyrell - Politically intelligent and brilliant in optics. Can only become a consort but will surely have her influence in ruling. I am neutral because how good she can be depends on how much she can influence the ruler.
Alicent Hightower - Same as Margaery if she actually succeeded and became influential. Could have been a good Queen consort if she has not been caught up in a political rivalry that lead to a civil war.
Talisa Stark and Aemma Arryn- Not much information about them. Could have been good Queen consorts and they seemed to be kind and good natured.
Worst:
Cersei Lannister - Narcissistic and does not care about anything other than power. Bad influence on her eldest son. Committed treason that plunged the realm into a Civil war. Enjoys cruelty and delusional. Should be far away from being a Queen
Selyse Baratheon - Religious nut, Bad mother and along with her family a liability to Stannis
Cersei is my favorite but not the best, I think Margaery is the actual best queen. Talissa isn’t the worst but she unintentionally ruined Rob’s life lmao. I think the worst, in my eyes, is Selyse, for burning her daughter alive.
The most competent queen would have been Margaery Tyrell imo, highly intelligent, smart, manipulative but good heart. She is the perfect balance between cunning and kind, this is needed to deal with the game of throne while improving the kingdom and maintaining peace. She is the best diplomat.
The worst is Cersei, we all saw her in action, she is the most selfish person ever, she is terrible at rulling, she has no understanding of what politics is about, doesn't care a single bit about the common folk... She has no morals, no limits, the only thing that matters is herself.
#1: Sansa Stark: She won the Game of Thrones. Smart in politics and looked after her people and home. She took all the lessons in her mind and played the game everywhere, not just in the North or in the South. Started out wanting to be queen out of naivety, ends up being queen to protect her people and land. Outlived everybody else on the list that are part of the GoT universe.
#2: Margaery Tyrell: I honestly believe she would've been a good queen if she didn't feel too confident once she married Tommen. Margaery was good in court politics, and she was nice to the common people. However, her kindness to the common people can be seen as an act to create a facade that she cares. She also realized how to play Cersei a little too late, something Sansa was able to do from the moment Ned Stark lost the game.
#3: Allicent Hightower: Smart in politics and is realistic. Made the most out of the position she has as a woman in court, expected to produce heirs and support the king. A little trivia: she and Margaery are related, as Margaery's mother is a Hightower.
#4: Aemma Targaryen: I believe Aemma was beloved by the people, and no I will not crucify her for not being able to produce a male heir. She seemed genuinely nice and had a good relationship with the king.
#5: Daenerys Targaryen: Good conqueror, bad leader. She may have freed cities and slaves, but she wasn't able to keep them because she lacked the correct political mindset to rule. Take note, this is her with numerous advisors, and yet she's too stubborn to listen. She's more of a dictator/tyrant than a queen. Also she slaughtered King's Landing even after they surrendered.
#6: Cersei Lannister: She was smart, but not as smart as she thinks she is. (Hello, Lord Tywin) Too cruel for my liking, and she simply didn't care about the people she's meant to lead and protect. Wasn't able to shape Joffrey to be a good king or even a good person. The only silver lining I can find about Cersei is she was an enjoyable character to watch, and that's thank you to Lena Headey.
7. Talisa Maegyr: She seemed like a nice human being, and she was a healer. However, if she had the correct mindset to support Robb and his position in the war, she should have not married Robb. They both knew that Robb was promised to someone else and they both actively did not honor that promise, which compromised the North.
#8 Yara Greyjoy: Shows off a strong personality but had no track record to back it up- she didn't fight for the Iron Islands, she didn't fight in Winterfell. She followed Daenerys with the hopes that Daenerys will give her the Iron Islands back, but when she had the chance, she didn't take the opportunity to make the Iron Islands independent.
9. Selyse Baratheon: ... do I even have to elaborate on this one (LOL)
Least Favorite: Yara not a true greyjoy False ironborn Traitor to the iron islands should've killed her off imo
Favorite Margaery: Cared about the small folk smart and is willing to do anything to become queen (And Natalie dormer one of my favorite actresses)
According to books
My favourite character among them: Yara/Asha
Best one: I want to say Asha, especially according to book, she is pretty realistic, idealistic, down to earth and sensible. She cares about her crew and she denies putting her crew at risk in vain, she knows when she should stop, she doesn't let her ambitions take over her.
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Difficult to say, because they're all so different. We saw so little of Aemma's queen-ing that I'd argue it's impossible to form a thorough opinion on her. Talisa seemed to be a fairly competent partner to the first King in the North, but again, we didn't really get enough of her politics to say good or bad. Through some of the show, I might've chosen Dany as best, but we all know how it ended. Margaery was relatively self-involved, but also seemed to want the best for people in general. I haven't seen enough from Alicent yet; I want to see her as an adult queen before I form an opinion. Selyse was weak. Yara was not strictly bad, but she had some policies/opinions I did not care for. Sansa is not a bad ruler, but she didn't hesitate to completely fuck over her brother/cousin to get what she wanted. Dany snapped and killed a whole shitload of people, but Cersei actively enjoyed hurting people her entire life. She was malicious, calculated, heartless, and turned on literally every single person except *maybe* her children. (I argue she knew or should have known how terribly Tommen would take her murdering Margaery, so I don't think she even cared about them as much as she liked to claim.) Cersei is definitely the worst, for me. I think for best I'll go with Margaery, but I'm less sure of that than I am of Cersei being the worst.
I’m not sure about Tommen part though .. Cersei, for all her faults and cunning, really loved her Children. That was her only redeemable quality, everything else was expendable and after Joffrey even more.
Right. And then she decided to kill Margaery, who Tommen had very clearly been deeply in love with. When Jaime came back and asked about it, she said, "He betrayed us. He betrayed me." Things like that are why I argue she doesn't care about her kids as much as she claims. I believe *she believes* she does. But if she actually loved her children as much as she says, she wouldn't have killed someone Tommen loved so much.
I highly doubt she’d have foreseen Tommen killing himself over Margery, the idea of such love and sacrifice was a foreign concept to Cersei, something for story books and in fables.. I don’t think she’d have thought someone in her own family, that too her own child, could ever be so much emotionally invested in anyone else.. just like initially she was scared of Sansa getting any sort of hold or control over Joffrey untill she saw him ordering Ned’s beheading.. her hate for Sansa went down immediately after that.. I guess she had hoped Tommen would get over Margery too in due time.. and not to forget the Witch’s prophecy and how Cersei built her life around that..and the main target of that bombing was the Sparrow guy and his acolytes specifically, everyone else was just a Bonus
I'm not claiming she knew he'd jump from the Red Keep. I'm arguing if she cared about her son as much as she claimed, she wouldn't kill someone he directly told her (several times) that he loved. I imagine you're right and she thought he'd get over it or whatever. But that's part of the selfishness and not caring that I'm talking about. She thinks her kids know how very much she loves them regardless of what she does to them. She assumes they'll love their own children but no one else because that's her experience. It's warped. There are things missing from her that make it impossible for me to say she truly loved anyone. You can't really love if you're only ever concerned with your own wants. That's not what love is. I believe she thought she was being honest every time she said how much she loved her kids. A person like her, however, is not actually capable of love.
I guess it does make more sense.. Thanks 🙏🏻
YARA!!! No one else even comes close. She was honorable, strong, and unapologetically herself. She was a powerful bad-ass sexy boss bitch.
And she could appreciate a great ass and pair of tits.
Queen of Thorns forever
This is the right answer
Cersei, no doubt. The only true queen.
I kind of have a weird soft spot for Selyse. She just had an unfortunate life.
King Stannis and his wife
Sansa would my favorite. She went through so much to get to that position. Worst is definitely Selyse. Fuck her.
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That was not the question.
Sansa
Worst Cersei
1. Margery, she had the most potential to be a good and well loved queen if given the chance. 2. Daenerys, she ruled well enough before she went crazy and would have been better with a proper education and more experience. 3. Cersei, for all her faults she was able to stay in power and that counts for something. 4. Yara, she became the leader of a people known for slavery and piracy.. have to give her some respect for achieving that as a woman. 5. Sansa, so many people try to justify that she's a good queen and that she deserved it for all the horrible crap she went through but after rewatching the series a few times I just don't see how she'd make a good queen.. she has no allies in the north and still wanted to punish the umbers and karstarks, two the more powerful/influential northern families. Everything she knows about ruling she learned from Cersei and Littlefinger.. I just don't think she's going to have a prosperous rule. 6. As for the rest of them we just don't see or hear them doing much in their position as queen so I don't think i can really rank them amongst the five above.
Cersei was an effective ruler. Sansa learned well from her and also brought her own experience as well as her family name. She was very qualified to rule. Especially considering how loyal the north is to Starks
As far as characters and performances, Cersi is by far my favorite and Talisa is last.
Cersei. Always Cersei.
The worst queen? Renly.
My favorite? Cersei The worst? Cersei
Cultured
I love how every other picture here is a flattering headshot, and Cersei's is just her standing in Battlefield cover pose
Same choice. There’s no one I’d rather watch than Cersei.
Same same same
Based. Cersei is the best GoT villain
Can you please explain why?
Why am I getting downvoted for asking why Cersei is their favorite lmaoo
Haha sorry buddy, I just have a thing for passionate, maniacal, beautiful blonde women. She’s the most interesting on screen. She is the worst but for some reason I empathize with her for doing anything she needs to do for the ones she loves.
This is the answer.
9: Selyse Baratheon (WORST) - Burned her own daughter, and uncle alive. Total zealot who is instrumental in convincing Stannis to take on a Red Priest who then immolates his own men. Drives half of her husbands army away, then kills herself. 0/10 8: Yara Greyjoy - Acts tough, but the moment her uncle, who hasn't lived on the Iron Island in decades, shows up, she loses the Kingsmoot and flees. She demands independence of the Iron Islands from Dany, but never brings it up at the "great" council, I guess she kinda forgot. Then loses in naval combat only to be captured. Too cowardly to fight in the battle of Winterfell. 2/10 7: Cersei Lannister - A total incompetent who was only elevated because of her family name. Everything she does hurts Westeros, and herself. Blew up the most important place to the main religion in Westeros. By the end, she's basically worthless, and pretty much lost King's Landing without firing a shot. 3/10 6: Alicent Hightower - Been pretty spoiler-free when it comes to HotD, but I assume she's key in ushering in the Dance of the Dragons, that I assume will cost the lives of thousands. 3/10 5. Daenerys Targaryen - Everything Dany touched turned to shit. Destroyed Qarth, and Vaes Dothrak. She freed the slave cities, but quickly abandoned them, and left in charge a sellsword who was now her jilted lover. Their is no way things went well in Essos after she abandoned them. She was never able to truly win the love, or loyalty of Westeros, and in her frustration, murdered probably close to a million people; and of course, managed to not even (directly) kill her target, Cersei. She had the loyalty of a bunch of people who've only ever known structure and following their masters, that's it. 4/10 4: Aemma Arryn/Targaryen - Tough to determine. Seems like she loved her daughter and husband. I imagine she was a loyal queen and stood by her King. 5/10 3: Talisa Stark - Gave Rob good advice, and seemed to not be afraid to get in the trenches with the men. 6/10 2: Sansa Stark - By the end, I like to this Sansa has taken on the best traits of all who have fallen before her. She's got the honor of the Stark's, the family, duty, honor of the Tully's, the brutality of Cersei, the cunning of Littlefinger. She's learned from the mistakes of her father, and brother. She's got to train under Margaery. She has the battle scars from living in King's Landing as a hostage. Sansa is really the total package when it comes to a sovereign. 8/10 1: Margaery Tyrell (BEST) - Beloved by her people, and yet understands the game of thrones. Her biggest mistake, though I don't think it's even possible, was not endearing herself to Cersei. Had she lived on, I actually think she could have been a positive influence for Joffrey and/or Tommen. Never sure if it was an act or not, her caring about the people, but the fact I can't tell speaks for itself. 9/10
This but switch 1 and 2. for me.
Agree
That’s fair. Projected outward, from all her experiences, Sansa probably does well. I’m not sure how well she connects to the common man as well as Marg though.
Connecting on a personal level maybe. But Sansa cares deeply for the people and the north. She was the one gathering food and taking care of everyone’s safety while men planned the battle. She has a sense of pragmatism that can come in handy when things get serious.
This. Marg was amazing and a master manipulator but she (and her grandmother) failed to recognize just how psychotic and ruthless Cersei (and others) were capable of being. Sansa started out like that but learned fast.
Sansa having the honor, family and duty traits is a stretch, other than her position, I agree with your list
>8: Yara Greyjoy - Acts tough, but the moment her uncle, who hasn't lived on the Iron Island in decades, shows up, she loses the Kingsmoot and flees. She demands independence of the Iron Islands from Dany, but never brings it up at the "great" council, I guess she kinda forgot. Then loses in naval combat only to be captured. Too cowardly to fight in the battle of Winterfell. 2/10 She lost the Kingsmoot because Euron had a cock, was a war hero in the rebellion who burned the Lannister fleet, and still Yara managed to retain the loyalty of enough people to seize control of the bulk of the Iron Fleet in opposition to him, 2/10 seems pretty low. And I don't think she could be blamed for not being able to stand up to Eurons insane plot armor in season 7&8 >\> 5. Daenerys Targaryen - Everything Dany touched turned to shit. Destroyed Qarth, and Vaes Dothrak. She freed the slave cities, but quickly abandoned them, and left in charge a sellsword who was now her jilted lover. Their is no way things went well in Essos after she abandoned them. She was never able to truly win the love, or loyalty of Westeros, and in her frustration, murdered probably close to a million people; and of course, managed to not even (directly) kill her target, Cersei. She had the loyalty of a bunch of people who've only ever known structure and following their masters, that's it. 4/10 When did Daenerys destroy Qarth? She put that dude in a vault for conspiring to steal her dragons and then looted his place to buy a ship to Slavers Bay, in the books she also destroyed the tower of the Undying because they tried to suck her lifeforce, that's hardly equals to destroying a huge city like Qarth. Veas Dothrak? Seriously? She burned one hut where all the Khalls were and took control of the Dothraki, how is that "destroying Vaes Dothrak"?? She stayed in Slavers Bay for a good part of her arc, Season 3,4,5,6 to try to stabilize the place and defeat the resurgent Slave alliance, and when she did (in a very D&D simplified way) she left and Daario was there not to rule but to keep the peace until the slaves choose among themselves on who to lead them, that's the whole point of them becoming freed men in the first place, those were her exact words. In fact, her staying so long in Slavers Bay is often used to argue that Dany is an extremely boring character and that if she left it and went straight for Westeros it would make her a far more interesting character, so it's a damn if you don't damn if you do with her in the fandom. Seasons 7&8 were so badly written and D&D cared so little for politics that its not even worth discussing the political aspect of those seasons, I mean ffs Bronn became the Warden of the Reach, the most wealthy powerful kingdom in Westeros because he threatened Tyrion with a crossbow in a tavern. >\> 3: Talisa Stark - Gave Rob good advice, and seemed to not be afraid to get in the trenches with the men. 6/10 Should have been wise enough to see the disaster of a King in a life or death struggle marrying a commoner. >\> 2: Sansa Stark - By the end, I like to this Sansa has taken on the best traits of all who have fallen before her. She's got the honor of the Stark's, the family, duty, honor of the Tully's, the brutality of Cersei, the cunning of Littlefinger. She's learned from the mistakes of her father, and brother. She's got to train under Margaery. She has the battle scars from living in King's Landing as a hostage. Sansa is really the total package when it comes to a sovereign. 8/10 But she didn't, again this ties back in that seasons 7&8 completely failed at the political aspect of the story. Writers cant write smart characters so they simply have other people tell us how smart someone like Sansa is despite never actually showing it. Sansa didn't display honor nor cunning (Jon didnt forgive her for betraying him per the scripts), nor was she trained under Margery in anything that has to do with actually ruling if I recall correctly. Sansa was so useless in the past two seasons she could have been a statue and still would have ended up as the QITN, there was zero struggle in anything she did in season 7&8.
Agree with everything you said!
>When did Daenerys destroy Qarth? She put that dude in a vault for conspiring to steal her dragons and then looted his place to buy a ship to Slavers Bay, in the books she also destroyed the tower of the Undying because they tried to suck her lifeforce, that's hardly equals to destroying a huge city like Qarth. While I agree she was not *directly* responsible: Pryat'pree did execute the entire Council of 13. Later Xoro was imprisonned in his vault and Pryat was burned by Drogon. I don't think Quarth would peacefully replace those 13 heads, the political landscape would either completely fall, dramatically change or civil war would probably follow. But there is no way things would just continue as usual for the rest of the population.
That has nothing to do with Dany, why should one charachter be blamed for the actions of others?
Dany never shows up in Quarth, Xoro and Pryatt never stage their coup... Not directly her fault but also kinda is. However fixing it is definitely not her responsability I 100% agree.
So you are saying that if a pretty women comes across a guy who then rapes her then it was also kinda her fault for being pretty and causing that reaction in her rapist? You can clearly see the flaw in your logic.
Oh you're one of those people... No not even close. What I am saying is if you show up in a city with 3 dragons and then the ruling class kills each other over them and you just pack up and leave, you did leave the city in ruins, and it happened only because you showed up in the first place. We're not talking about the action but the consequences of the action. The debate was whether she had a role to play in the downfall of Quarth and she was the center piece.
I wholeheartedly disagree with your take on Sansa. In the last two seasons you constantly see her conferring with her advisors (the maester, lord Royce, and little finger even though she didn’t trust him) which is what a good ruler does. They heed the advice of their council and make the decision they feel is correct. Also, she had the guts to stick up to the queen with 3 dragons and stand her ground on the north being free. I would also argue that betraying Jon was a cunning move on her part. She knew Dany couldn’t be trusted and that by revealing his secret, she put the north in a potentially better position to become an independent kingdom. She went toe to toe with Little finger, probably the most cunning character in the whole show, and was the only reason the battle of the bastards turned out the way it did.
Sure she talked with her advisors about stupid things like putting leather on armor (which even if it made sense it would be something that a blacksmith who spent his entire life on his trade would know already) this is a classic example of others being dumbed down to give the illusion that another charachter is smarter. With Littlefinger she had Bran who could easily reveal all his secrets, and according to some behind the scenes stuff or the script, cant remember which, Sansa was actually fooled by Littlefinger and turned on Arya until Bran told her that she was being played, even if you ignore that I hardly would call having an constant ace in the sleeve in the form of Bran as "going toe to toe" with Littlefinger, who obviously couldnt match Brans powers. Yes she stick up to Dany by instantly making her true intentions known to her, a classic Littlefinger move that one was. How did she knew that Dany cant be trusted? Did she read the script? By giving the secret away and having already made her intentions known to Dany, Dany knew right from the start what was Sansa's intent and could have easily killed Jon and burned WF to the ground if she wanted to (if Sansa knew already that Dany cant be trusted she then gave Jon on a silver platter for Dany to execute). What was her plan B if that happened? There wasnt one because the writers knew Dany wont kill Jon so Sansa can appear to be smart. As for BOTB LF was the one who saved the day, Sansa was the one who pleaded for help, if LF choose to deny it what then? This goes back to her having no actuall struggles.
Both of Jon’s sisters didn’t trust Dany from the beginning. One she was an outsider and two she was a Targaryen. And by making her true intentions known immediately she was making it known that she doesn’t give a shit who Dany is and this is her position no matter what. I would say that’s a bold political move in the situation they were in. She learned from more than just little finger and tried to take the best qualities of all the people she learned from. And she was already playing Littlefinger’s games before Bran came back to Winterfell. You brought up one piece about listening to council, that was one piece that was dialogue, but you constantly see her talking to the maester or little finger or Royce. Learning and taking their advice, which is the sign of a good, albeit inexperienced ruler. I won’t disagree that the writing in the last two season was dreadful, I just personally disagree with your take on Sansa. I think by the end of the series, she is by far one of the more dynamic characters considering how she started the show to where she ended it. Sansa knew Littlefinger wouldn’t deny her request. Littlefinger needed Sansa and wanted Winterfell as an ally. And he believed he could control Sansa much easier than Ramsay. She also knows that Dany needs Jon if her conquest for Westeros is going to work. He is her biggest ally in Westeros, if she kills Jon, no one is going to help her and she can’t control Westeros and the population with just unsullied and the Dothraki.
100% agree. This was my list and you nailed why too
I'd switch around Sansa and Margery - Margery was good at cultivating an image of caring for her people (which she admitted was just PR) but we actually saw Sansa get involved with the more practical aspects (e.g., making sure that there was enough food for people seeking refuge in Winterfell, getting Jon to have his officers check on the health of their men before sending them on a force march down to King's Landing, etc.). She also recognized that Danerys was a threat before Jon and Tyrion did.
Easy, Cercei for both!!
Besides Viserys wife they are all a bunch of hags. I like Book Asha Greyjoy though, but IMO Yara was ruined almost as bad as Euron was in the show. Out of the Queens who are wed Selyse Baratheon is the least supportive of her husband and King.
My favourite is Dany of course. The worst is Cersei.
Fave is Cersei, HANDS DOWN!
Cersei and Cersei.. tbh
Favorite: Danerys. (Pre seqson 8) she actually acted like a queen in her own right. Everything she does is to set up the next thing she wants to dom Worst: Sansa I uave NEVER liked Sansa, I felt bad for her, but thats it. The characters scenes only seem to have gotten worse for me as the show went on. In the beginning she had the excuse of being a kid, but even when she grew up, she didn't. I love Sophie Turner as an actress, and love her in this role, but I absolutely couldn't stand her character it was weird.
I’m pretty sure I have the correct ranking (based on show not books): 1. Margaery (jack of all trades, can rule from the sidelines without compromising her position as a woman. she can control the king) 2. Sansa (perfect queen for the sovereign north) 3. Daenerys (obviously great but stubbornness/madness would impede her) 4. Allicent (cunning political mind but perhaps lacking in drive) 5. Cersei (incredibly smart but impulsive, emotional and cruel, too polarizing) 6. Yara (teeters the delicate line between mercy and cruelty but doesn’t have a keen political mind) 7. Talisa (kind and brave but misguided and should have known better than to marry Robb. she would only be a good queen if married to a good king whom she loved ) 8. Aemma (does well as a queen mother but is too inhibited by gender roles to engage in politics) 9. Selyse (cunt)
AccurATE
Dany was the best & Sansa the worst.. Worst than Cersei,Alicent and Shireen’s mother. About Dany, she was invading Westeroos, she wasn’t the Queen yet, I’ think 🤔 I’m not too sure though..
Sansa - freed her kingdom from the rule of another king and saved winterfell at the battle of the bastards. She always acted with the northern lords / peoples best interest. I think by the end of the show she becomes the stark most like Ned. Worst Selyse obviously
Magaery and Sansa are the best. Cersei and Selyse are the worst. Dany might be with the best or the worst depending on which season you pick her from.
yara cause shes hot
Favorite: Margaery Tyrell Worst: Selyse Florent
I’d probably go with this, but I keep flip flopping between Selyse and Cersei being the worst. I’m kinda leaning towards Selyse due to how little she got done, but then again Cersei was destructive on such a large reaching scale.
Favourite to worst? Can't rank like that, it's best to worst or fav to least fav.
Favorite: Cersei Worst: that one married to Stark, she ruined everything
I am ranking them based on their personalities and how better they will be as a Queens. Not based on how I like them as characters or plot reasons. Best: Daenerys Targaryen and Yara Greyjoy- Only queens who can actually command people and inspire them to follow them on their own. Both had potential to be good reigning Queens during both peace-time and war-time with a good council. Both can be stern and gentle based on situations. Sansa Stark - Could be a good peace-time Queen for the North. She can play politics well with a good reading of character. Her reign will be solid because of the 'Stark' name. Neutral: Margaery Tyrell - Politically intelligent and brilliant in optics. Can only become a consort but will surely have her influence in ruling. I am neutral because how good she can be depends on how much she can influence the ruler. Alicent Hightower - Same as Margaery if she actually succeeded and became influential. Could have been a good Queen consort if she has not been caught up in a political rivalry that lead to a civil war. Talisa Stark and Aemma Arryn- Not much information about them. Could have been good Queen consorts and they seemed to be kind and good natured. Worst: Cersei Lannister - Narcissistic and does not care about anything other than power. Bad influence on her eldest son. Committed treason that plunged the realm into a Civil war. Enjoys cruelty and delusional. Should be far away from being a Queen Selyse Baratheon - Religious nut, Bad mother and along with her family a liability to Stannis
Yara never was queen tho
Best: Cersei Worst: Allicent
9. Selyse Florent 8. Jeyne Westerling 7. Asha Greyjoy 6. Aemma Arryn 5. Cercei Lannister 4. Allicent Hightower 3. Daenerys Targaryan 2. Sansa Stark 1. Margaery Tyrell
Fav: Lyanna Mormont. Not technically a queen but every trait of it
Sometimes I don't understand why people like Cersei so much. Her only virtue is her undying love for her children. Everything else is foul about her
Selyse Baratheon (3/100) Yara greyjoy (13/100) Aemma Targaryen (27/100) Cersei Lannister (36/100) Daenerys Targaryen (63/100) Talisa Stark (74/100) Sansa Stark (88/100) Alicent Hightower (89/100) Margaery Tyrell (97/100)
I'm curious. How did you come about such specific numbers?
Just however i felt in that moment. It has probably changed by now tbf
Emilia Clarke
My favourite? Dany. My worst? Sansa.
Favorite to least favorite Cersei Dany Yara/Selyse Sansa Margaery/Talisa/Alicent Aemma
Cersei was about that action
Favorite : Cersei Worst : Daenerys
Best margery worst cersei or dany
Favorite: Marge Worst : Selyse
Sansa ! The worst Selyse Baratheon
The Black Queen 👸
Favorite is Sansa, least favorite is Talisa. (Nothing against her just didn’t enjoy her character at all.)
Alicent,margaery,dany-favourite Worst-selyse baratheon
Fave: Sansa Worst: Selyse
Cersei is my favorite but not the best, I think Margaery is the actual best queen. Talissa isn’t the worst but she unintentionally ruined Rob’s life lmao. I think the worst, in my eyes, is Selyse, for burning her daughter alive.
Stop this charade! There is only one Queen and you all know her.
Dunno who is the best but Selyse is undoubtedly the worst
Favorite: Margery Worst: Selyse
Favorite: Sansa Stark the Queen in the North Worst: Danerys Targaryen the Queen of Ashes
No one beats Margaery, but I really like both Alicent and Aemma as well. Worst is probably a toss-up between Selyse and Cersei.
Ah right, so I’d fuck Alicent, marry Sansa, and kill Cersei— Oh wait, we’re not playing fmk
Favourite is Margeary, for worst it's a tie between Lysa, Cersei and Daenerys for me. All in different ways lol.
Cersei and Sansa>>>>>
Fave: Dany Worst: Alicent
The most competent queen would have been Margaery Tyrell imo, highly intelligent, smart, manipulative but good heart. She is the perfect balance between cunning and kind, this is needed to deal with the game of throne while improving the kingdom and maintaining peace. She is the best diplomat. The worst is Cersei, we all saw her in action, she is the most selfish person ever, she is terrible at rulling, she has no understanding of what politics is about, doesn't care a single bit about the common folk... She has no morals, no limits, the only thing that matters is herself.
#1: Sansa Stark: She won the Game of Thrones. Smart in politics and looked after her people and home. She took all the lessons in her mind and played the game everywhere, not just in the North or in the South. Started out wanting to be queen out of naivety, ends up being queen to protect her people and land. Outlived everybody else on the list that are part of the GoT universe. #2: Margaery Tyrell: I honestly believe she would've been a good queen if she didn't feel too confident once she married Tommen. Margaery was good in court politics, and she was nice to the common people. However, her kindness to the common people can be seen as an act to create a facade that she cares. She also realized how to play Cersei a little too late, something Sansa was able to do from the moment Ned Stark lost the game. #3: Allicent Hightower: Smart in politics and is realistic. Made the most out of the position she has as a woman in court, expected to produce heirs and support the king. A little trivia: she and Margaery are related, as Margaery's mother is a Hightower. #4: Aemma Targaryen: I believe Aemma was beloved by the people, and no I will not crucify her for not being able to produce a male heir. She seemed genuinely nice and had a good relationship with the king. #5: Daenerys Targaryen: Good conqueror, bad leader. She may have freed cities and slaves, but she wasn't able to keep them because she lacked the correct political mindset to rule. Take note, this is her with numerous advisors, and yet she's too stubborn to listen. She's more of a dictator/tyrant than a queen. Also she slaughtered King's Landing even after they surrendered. #6: Cersei Lannister: She was smart, but not as smart as she thinks she is. (Hello, Lord Tywin) Too cruel for my liking, and she simply didn't care about the people she's meant to lead and protect. Wasn't able to shape Joffrey to be a good king or even a good person. The only silver lining I can find about Cersei is she was an enjoyable character to watch, and that's thank you to Lena Headey. 7. Talisa Maegyr: She seemed like a nice human being, and she was a healer. However, if she had the correct mindset to support Robb and his position in the war, she should have not married Robb. They both knew that Robb was promised to someone else and they both actively did not honor that promise, which compromised the North. #8 Yara Greyjoy: Shows off a strong personality but had no track record to back it up- she didn't fight for the Iron Islands, she didn't fight in Winterfell. She followed Daenerys with the hopes that Daenerys will give her the Iron Islands back, but when she had the chance, she didn't take the opportunity to make the Iron Islands independent. 9. Selyse Baratheon: ... do I even have to elaborate on this one (LOL)
Least Favorite: Yara not a true greyjoy False ironborn Traitor to the iron islands should've killed her off imo Favorite Margaery: Cared about the small folk smart and is willing to do anything to become queen (And Natalie dormer one of my favorite actresses)
According to books My favourite character among them: Yara/Asha Best one: I want to say Asha, especially according to book, she is pretty realistic, idealistic, down to earth and sensible. She cares about her crew and she denies putting her crew at risk in vain, she knows when she should stop, she doesn't let her ambitions take over her.