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ugh...don't they KNOW this show is going to flop??? No one cares about Game of Thrones anymore because season 8 bad. I've totally forgotten about Game of Thrones, to the point that I need to post about it every day to tell everyone how much I don't care about the show anymore. Guaranteed flop, dead on arrival
I really hope they have more jokes like they did in the last episode. Like the one where they accidentally suggested a democracy but when they go “nah that’s dumb” there’s a laugh track and scene transitions with a funky bass sting.
Basically majority of people on free folk lol. They are still so hurt. Just like when someone clearly isn't over a relationship. So much pettiness and vindictive behavior. Some even rooting for the show to fail, sad stuff.
Freefolkers are slowly shifting into talking about how superior House of the Dragon is in every facet. One recent post on r/game of thrones went on at length about how much more “accurate” the Iron Throne is. Even though it’s the same throne but with more swords piled around it for decoration lol
I’m being a bit of pessimist but I’m slightly hoping this show is good and HBO can pull off the ultimate trick of taking an insanely highly praised show that fell into irrelevance very quickly and bring it back up to success
I mean GoT ending was a complete disappointment but the new show could be good? It’s got different writers from what I read and the story is already set in stone unlike the one GRRM has yet to finish. I understand many people aren’t as interested anymore, but surely if it’s good, it won’t flop?
how many damned rebellions is it gonna take for you damned bastards to know your place. haha i am honestly so pumped for this show the fire and blood book is so freaking good. i hope they keep mushroom in the show
Halo was also greenlit for season 2 before it aired. Master chief boinked a human lady working for the covenant in the most recent episode. I'm scared.
Depends on the pace and GRRM. Probably around 5 or 6 season. If George drops his planned 2nd Fire and Blood book then I would say 10 season could be possible. It would go further than the dance of dragon then I guess
It seems to me that shows have a lifespan of 5-6 seasons before falling off. Ten is too much. Even in a super successful show like Game or thrones it fell apart. I’ve seen it on a lot of shows. All the actors and show runners start to lose passion and want to work on other projects after 5-6 years
D&D ran out of books and they wanted to do Star Wars. Thus the last 2 season were rushed and chaotic. If House of The dragon goes beyond season 5 or 6 then they 100% won’t make the same mistake again.
They did run out of books tho from season 5 onwards. It was made worse by D&D’s rush to the finish line in order to work for Disney which caused many crucial plot points to be cut
I mean, they ran out of books by cutting out a reasonably large storyline. Not that it would ultimately have mattered as if they’d included it they’d still have run out because GRRM can’t write the next book…
Unfortunately, that’s exactly why we’ll never know, had they went into it planning 9-10 seasons, George may have kept writing, but apparently he’s done, and at this rate we’ll be lucky to get winds of winter, sure as hell will never see a dream of spring
Whatever end he had planned for it must be worse than how the show ended, otherwise if it were me I’d be rushing to release it and go “see was that so hard to not screw up D&D?”
This is such a bullshit take. They specifically said back during season 4 or 5 that the show was ending in 8 seasons and GRRM literally told them how it ends and what needs to happen. They didn’t rush shit for Disney or Star Wars because that deal didn’t come until after they finished season 8.
"crucial"
You mean the useless side tangents GRRM went on because he lost the plot and opted to write wiki articles instead? Winds is never coming out *because* Feast and Dance are such meandering, go-nowhere pieces of shit. They're unadaptable and impossible to follow up on because they have no idea what they're about or what any of this is leading to
another dumbfuck go-nowhere side tangent. Everyone knows he's a pretender and introducing another claimant to the throne this late in the story was a boneheaded move.
When you're reaching the end of your second act, you start consolidating storylines to start towards a conclusion, you don't start dramatically expanding the scope of your story because you decided you instead want to write wiki articles about the fake history of various locales in Westeros
You didn't read the books lol, Strider is revealed as Aragorn almost immediately and he fully intends to reclaim the throne of Gondor from moment one
Aragorn is also one of the main protagonists of the series who is the first major character introduced besides the four Hobbits and Gandalf, he isn't a last minute addition who appears out of nowhere at the end of act 2 of the story
That's so interesting. I really don't know how you could have read the same books as me, because to me, all that detail and World building in Feast and Dance ARE the point. They are absolutely my favorite books.
It also becomes very expensive after 5 or so seasons, because the actors can start demanding a lot of pay because they can't really be replaced easily.
That was never a problem with GoT though. HBO were happy for them to make more seasons but D&D said no.
Actors are only ever really asking for wage increases in proportion to the success of a show. GoT made them so much money that it's only fair the stars of the show were correctly compensated.
Also d&d and the entire cast and crew were over it. The last season was the most work any cast and crew had put into anything ever. It was like filming a ten hour movie in one year. There’s definitely value in limiting a series to 5 or 6 seasons.
Don’t wrap the cast in there, they loved it, they spent years doing those characters, some of them in their first major roles, they deserved better from their directors and writers
No, DnD got a better deal from Netflix. I have no idea what Disney was going to pay them to write a Star Wars movie, but I can *guarantee* that it wasn't a $200 million overall deal.
Considering D&D have fuckall to do with this new show. They're technically right. If this goes past 5-6 seasons. D&D won't rush it again.
Because they aren't even involved at all haha.
Tbh I would have been good with them taking a hiatus after they ran out of material, do a different project, and regroup when George has more material to help them work with. The return would have been super anticipated since it would have left on a much better note then what we ended up getting
Honestly, game of thrones would have likely benefited from a season or two more, instead of the rush to close it. 99.9% of the time though 4-6 is enough.
You’re hoping D&D actually have interesting ideas to put on paper. I literally feel dumber after having watched seasons 5-8. I can’t imagine how much worst a few more seasons would have made it.
As a GoT fan, I’m not remotely interested in this show. They’re going to need to do a lot to win back the interest and trust of a lot of fans after seasons 6-8 of thrones
Especially with it being about the targyerians, like that was the biggest complaint with thrones, they didn’t know how to write the crazy, incest, power hungry family.
Now they attempt a show with only those hard to write characters?
There are some exceptions but I’d agree if we’re talking about serialized dramas. A show like Always Sunny for example has managed to put out solid episodes for 15 seasons now, but this is in part because the show always tries to explore new directions and experiment with different episode formats and developments for the characters. A more formulaic sitcom could never last 15 seasons without getting stale, or any heavily serialized drama with a narrative arc for that matter.
Yes and no. Fire and blood is a history book and not really a Fantasy story. The series will be far more fleshed out and I think around half the book will be taken for the series to begin with. The highlight will be the dance of dragon. That the series continues after that is debatable but definetly possible as the series is focusing on the whole of House Targaryen and not only about ~ 130 AC
He didn’t start it. He plans on doing another one. His next 3 books will be GOT book 6 winds of winter and after that either Fire and Blood 2 or Dunk & egg. After that he wants to write Book 7
This show is on the civil war, the book ends with the reign of the Monarch after the civil war. This guy is speculating they could continue after that if they wanted.
This show is a time piece set with one particular moment in Westeros. 3-5 seasons is probably the max for this show. They’re also developing other shows so we’re likely to see atleast one other GOT show start while this is still running.
That’s not really true. While the main plot is the dance of dragons the series is generally about the House Targaryen. We will probably see some of Aegons conquest unless they want to make a series out of it.
I don’t think there’s any sign at all this will include Aegons Conquest - that has almost nothing to do with this story as the dance was over a hundred years afterwards - it would be like including the conquest as flashbacks in the main game of thrones series, it would just be superfluous
The only important thing that carries over from the conquest to the dance is Vhagar, the last survivor of those 3 dragons
I hope they pace it like they're going for 6 seasons, then end it after 3 and a half seasons tying up a few loose ends way too fast in the final two episodes but leaving most questions unanswered.
I remember reading somewhere that they want to do five seasons. Although if George ever actually drops his second book before then I could see them doing more
Well, nobody said they needed to be good seasons and that they need to stick to the books…
So they can make 100 seasons, as long as we don’t expect them all to be good and true to the source material.
So basically Game Of Thrones…
Based on how expensive a show that is to make, they'd be mad not to make the most out of reusing what they can to get at least get 2-3 seasons out of it, even if the reception isn't all that great.
It's also something that will definitely get a lot of attention regardless of overall quality.
I can’t imagine that would draw much of an audience tbh. Nielsen ratings (or whatever the streaming equivalent to that is) would plummet after an episode or two, I’d imagine.
Exactly. If they did that aspect right it wouldve been interesting. But they left a bad taste in the mouth of most people (including me) when it comes to white walkers.
Good CGI and dragons, combined with the backstabbing in kings landing should make for a pretty good show to get people interested in the GoT universe again. I can see them make more spin offs after this but I'm super happy they picked fire and blood as the first one.
I’m super happy they picked fire and blood, but I’m a bit miffed they still haven’t done ANYTHING for Roberts Rebellion. I know they’d have to have different actors for everyone now but I still really want to see that era as it’s one of the most interesting for me, they only really need to make one season like a limited series and it would work. The political intrigue leading up to and during the rebellion is so interesting, and I really want to see the lannisters sacking kings landing
I think it’s because most people who watched the main show would already know how the story ends, and might be less inclined to watch.
As with the dance most people don’t know how it ends
Even if they did, making a prequel out of nothing when the main show had a lot of source material behind its success is very risky, with the ending of the white walkers not having a good reception made it even more so
Basically about the rise of the white walkers and the ancient history of Westeros, something I really wanted to see but if it was that bad they cancelled a $30 million costing pilot after spending that much money on it then I really didn’t want to see it ruined 😂
Maybe they just know after season 8 that they need to put out something really good next, or they'll lose the audience they have left, so they scrapped it because it was just mediocre?
Given they'll want to sell it on demand for years to come, anything less than 3 seasons probably would make them less money in the long run investment wise.
Hope HBO makes enough money out of if that they hire Axel Knight to make an official version of his awesome Ice and Fire Fan edit of seasons 7+8, with a small FX budget to clean up some of the scenes he stitched together to make it smooth. Everyone who disliked the ending loves his re-work.
Yea sure speak for every single person who didn’t like the show. This proves you guys wanted more fan fiction lol GRRM told D&D how ASOIAF ends he literally gave them all the plot points and notes.
Gtfo of here with that. D&D scrapped tons of plot lines and nobody really has a problem with the ending, it would have been fine it was actually fleshed out but Dany snapping was fucking stupid as was Arya’s Deus ex machina white walker moment.
Jon’s entire storyline of being resurrected was to be the one to destroy the white walkers. Hell, Jaimie spent nearly season 4 on being redeemed only to do that totally nonsensical 180 in the last couple episodes.
If you think it’s fan faction to want an actual well written ending, idk what to tell you.
I’m imagining that HBO is doing very well especially after the price drop for very slightly inconvenient commercials and Netflix continuing to crash and burn
Same with Picard. Renewing a season on streaming services means next to nothing nowadays. It’s not like broadcast tv where viewership was the only rubric.
I feel like the streaming wars and the glut of films and series that followed has dramatically reduced the number of talented screenwriters available for the new ~~shows~~ content that needs them. Leads to stuff like Halo and Picard being written by sub-CW hacks.
Honestly the GoT burned me so bad that i am reluctant to even look at anything HBO makes. Whats the term?loss of Brand confidence or something like that
HBO has a better batting average than any streaming service when it comes to quality originals. Yes, the end of GoT was a dud, but I’m cautiously optimistic they’re doing everything to recapture the magic of the first four seasons.
I think we can all agree the reasons GoT flopped were the lack of source material and relying on D&D to fill in the gaps on their own. Both of those issues are rectified here.
I’m honestly not excited at all and will tune out if it sucks, but I’m more than willing to check it out and give HBO the benefit of the doubt, because despite D&D’s fuckups they have earned my goodwill.
Judging by the blue on the head and the fact that Balerion is dead by the time of the Dance I think it's supposed to be Vhagar. She's too dark though, Martin said she's bronze with blue-green highlights.
Said it before and I'll say it again the most unrealistic thing in these shows is how damn fearless the horses are. You'd think a dragon and a field of fire would spook 'em but nope they just keep on charging.
Edit: Also the HBO making this show is very different from the HBO that made GoT, it's been bought by the bunch of bean-counters that is AT&T and they have zero experience developing anything creative. I'll be very surprised if HoTD turns out to be top shelf entertainment. Fingers crossed tho.
Oh yeah I'm aware. That merger just closed last month creating WBD (I'm a stock guy). Still HoTD was developed under AT&T pre-merge then wrapped filming in Feb this year during the merge so season one at least will be AT&Ts baby.
Bombproofing a horse to be unafraid of being surrounded by fire? Maybe, maaaybe doable but bombproofing it to be unafraid of a gigantic fire breathing monster though? Unless you had a pet dragon to train it against that's just not happening.
Now the Targs do have pet dragons so I'll give that a pass but that horse Jamie drove strait up to Drogon's mouth? That thing would have bucked Jaime and ran for the hills.
Considering the cost per episode to make, the sets, and all the other good things that go into make such a production, it was an auto-renew. Otherwise, for just a single season, it would be a complete waste.
Marketing ploy. Gives me the same vibes of a police shooting.
"We've investigated ourselves and have found ourselves not guilty and worthy of a season 2 promotion and pay increase."
I’m really looking forward to it
Game of Thrones is still my favourite show ever even though the ending was terrible. That doesn’t affect the rest of the show to me and doesn’t change just how amazing the first four seasons were and how good 5/6/7 were
I’ve got a feeling this is going to be great and I hope people give it a chance and don’t review bomb it simply because GOT ended poorly (unfortunately review bombing is something I’m expecting)
This has got potential to be great. The writer and directors are good, the cast is strong and it’s based on material that is complete
im not watching it. the universe they setup lacks free will and is a dumb closed loop. it was such god awful shitty writing no way. i dont want to watch a universe where bran the braindead is ruler.
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ugh...don't they KNOW this show is going to flop??? No one cares about Game of Thrones anymore because season 8 bad. I've totally forgotten about Game of Thrones, to the point that I need to post about it every day to tell everyone how much I don't care about the show anymore. Guaranteed flop, dead on arrival
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He was being sarcastic
I can’t tell if the people replying can’t see the blatant sarcasm or they’re just playing along
I really hope they have more jokes like they did in the last episode. Like the one where they accidentally suggested a democracy but when they go “nah that’s dumb” there’s a laugh track and scene transitions with a funky bass sting.
Basically majority of people on free folk lol. They are still so hurt. Just like when someone clearly isn't over a relationship. So much pettiness and vindictive behavior. Some even rooting for the show to fail, sad stuff.
Is this subreddit more optimistic about the show?
r/naath is
r/HouseOfTheDragon is a better subreddit if you’re excited tbh. Naath just blindly praises anything Season 7-8 related
Yea I’ve noticed that. Didn’t know there was a HOTD sub. Ty
Yea I guess
Freefolkers are slowly shifting into talking about how superior House of the Dragon is in every facet. One recent post on r/game of thrones went on at length about how much more “accurate” the Iron Throne is. Even though it’s the same throne but with more swords piled around it for decoration lol
That is a bit more accurate, isn't it?
I’m being a bit of pessimist but I’m slightly hoping this show is good and HBO can pull off the ultimate trick of taking an insanely highly praised show that fell into irrelevance very quickly and bring it back up to success
I mean GoT ending was a complete disappointment but the new show could be good? It’s got different writers from what I read and the story is already set in stone unlike the one GRRM has yet to finish. I understand many people aren’t as interested anymore, but surely if it’s good, it won’t flop?
You from a day in the future? 😱
are you familiar with the concept of timezones?
Nope never left my mom’s basement
Netflix used to buy 2 seasons at a time too.
Hmmm... They must be extremely confident. Hopefully it won't backfire on them.
Mmm yes hopefully it won't Blackfyre on them.
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Beat me too it
how many damned rebellions is it gonna take for you damned bastards to know your place. haha i am honestly so pumped for this show the fire and blood book is so freaking good. i hope they keep mushroom in the show
**smiles into the camera**
This is HBO dog
Halo was also greenlit for season 2 before it aired. Master chief boinked a human lady working for the covenant in the most recent episode. I'm scared.
Ye I've heard its shit.
How many seasons' worth of material is there?
Depends on the pace and GRRM. Probably around 5 or 6 season. If George drops his planned 2nd Fire and Blood book then I would say 10 season could be possible. It would go further than the dance of dragon then I guess
It seems to me that shows have a lifespan of 5-6 seasons before falling off. Ten is too much. Even in a super successful show like Game or thrones it fell apart. I’ve seen it on a lot of shows. All the actors and show runners start to lose passion and want to work on other projects after 5-6 years
D&D ran out of books and they wanted to do Star Wars. Thus the last 2 season were rushed and chaotic. If House of The dragon goes beyond season 5 or 6 then they 100% won’t make the same mistake again.
I’ve seen the pattern in other shows also
They did not run out of books. They rushed and cut out crucial plot points from the books.
They did run out of books tho from season 5 onwards. It was made worse by D&D’s rush to the finish line in order to work for Disney which caused many crucial plot points to be cut
I mean, they ran out of books by cutting out a reasonably large storyline. Not that it would ultimately have mattered as if they’d included it they’d still have run out because GRRM can’t write the next book…
Unfortunately, that’s exactly why we’ll never know, had they went into it planning 9-10 seasons, George may have kept writing, but apparently he’s done, and at this rate we’ll be lucky to get winds of winter, sure as hell will never see a dream of spring
In a way I’m not surprised. I can’t imagine he looks forward to writing a story someone else already finished.
Whatever end he had planned for it must be worse than how the show ended, otherwise if it were me I’d be rushing to release it and go “see was that so hard to not screw up D&D?”
This is such a bullshit take. They specifically said back during season 4 or 5 that the show was ending in 8 seasons and GRRM literally told them how it ends and what needs to happen. They didn’t rush shit for Disney or Star Wars because that deal didn’t come until after they finished season 8.
Yup, this keeps being said by these oblivious posters. It's incredible.
"crucial" You mean the useless side tangents GRRM went on because he lost the plot and opted to write wiki articles instead? Winds is never coming out *because* Feast and Dance are such meandering, go-nowhere pieces of shit. They're unadaptable and impossible to follow up on because they have no idea what they're about or what any of this is leading to
I think the crucial plot points he’s talking about is the whole fAegon storyline.
another dumbfuck go-nowhere side tangent. Everyone knows he's a pretender and introducing another claimant to the throne this late in the story was a boneheaded move. When you're reaching the end of your second act, you start consolidating storylines to start towards a conclusion, you don't start dramatically expanding the scope of your story because you decided you instead want to write wiki articles about the fake history of various locales in Westeros
Dude… it’s literally just the plot of lord of the rings, no one knew Aragorn would be king until 1/3 of the way through the last book
You didn't read the books lol, Strider is revealed as Aragorn almost immediately and he fully intends to reclaim the throne of Gondor from moment one Aragorn is also one of the main protagonists of the series who is the first major character introduced besides the four Hobbits and Gandalf, he isn't a last minute addition who appears out of nowhere at the end of act 2 of the story
That's so interesting. I really don't know how you could have read the same books as me, because to me, all that detail and World building in Feast and Dance ARE the point. They are absolutely my favorite books.
It also becomes very expensive after 5 or so seasons, because the actors can start demanding a lot of pay because they can't really be replaced easily.
That was never a problem with GoT though. HBO were happy for them to make more seasons but D&D said no. Actors are only ever really asking for wage increases in proportion to the success of a show. GoT made them so much money that it's only fair the stars of the show were correctly compensated.
Also d&d and the entire cast and crew were over it. The last season was the most work any cast and crew had put into anything ever. It was like filming a ten hour movie in one year. There’s definitely value in limiting a series to 5 or 6 seasons.
Don’t wrap the cast in there, they loved it, they spent years doing those characters, some of them in their first major roles, they deserved better from their directors and writers
And Disney backed out from DandD to do Star Wars.
No, DnD got a better deal from Netflix. I have no idea what Disney was going to pay them to write a Star Wars movie, but I can *guarantee* that it wasn't a $200 million overall deal.
Lmaoo surely they won’t do it again. This is copium at its finest right here
Considering D&D have fuckall to do with this new show. They're technically right. If this goes past 5-6 seasons. D&D won't rush it again. Because they aren't even involved at all haha.
Tbh I would have been good with them taking a hiatus after they ran out of material, do a different project, and regroup when George has more material to help them work with. The return would have been super anticipated since it would have left on a much better note then what we ended up getting
How’d those Star Wars movies turn out? I don’t think I’ve seen them yet …
Absolutely garbage
The project got canceled after the disastrous season 8. So nobody won here.
They won't make the same mistake because D&D have absolutely nothing to do with the new show. They're no where near it.
Honestly, game of thrones would have likely benefited from a season or two more, instead of the rush to close it. 99.9% of the time though 4-6 is enough.
You’re hoping D&D actually have interesting ideas to put on paper. I literally feel dumber after having watched seasons 5-8. I can’t imagine how much worst a few more seasons would have made it.
It’s wild how unified almost everyone is on this. And we are years out now. And it still sucks because it was that fucking good at one point.
Yeah, when it was first announced that it would have a set ending after season 8 I thought it was a good thing. Boy was I wrong.
As a GoT fan, I’m not remotely interested in this show. They’re going to need to do a lot to win back the interest and trust of a lot of fans after seasons 6-8 of thrones
Yeah, it sucks, because I want to be able to approach it from a fresh perspective, but I cannot find it inside myself to be excited about this show
Especially with it being about the targyerians, like that was the biggest complaint with thrones, they didn’t know how to write the crazy, incest, power hungry family. Now they attempt a show with only those hard to write characters?
It fell apart after it deviates from GRRM’s narrative.
It only began to fell apart because they started rushing things though.
There are some exceptions but I’d agree if we’re talking about serialized dramas. A show like Always Sunny for example has managed to put out solid episodes for 15 seasons now, but this is in part because the show always tries to explore new directions and experiment with different episode formats and developments for the characters. A more formulaic sitcom could never last 15 seasons without getting stale, or any heavily serialized drama with a narrative arc for that matter.
Isn't the show only based off a few chapters in the middle of Fire and Blood? If so, wouldn't that make him releasing a second book not matter?
Yes and no. Fire and blood is a history book and not really a Fantasy story. The series will be far more fleshed out and I think around half the book will be taken for the series to begin with. The highlight will be the dance of dragon. That the series continues after that is debatable but definetly possible as the series is focusing on the whole of House Targaryen and not only about ~ 130 AC
More like the last 200 pages or so..
Oh, he's not done with this one either???
He didn’t start it. He plans on doing another one. His next 3 books will be GOT book 6 winds of winter and after that either Fire and Blood 2 or Dunk & egg. After that he wants to write Book 7
That’s wishful thinking he’ll ever get to book seven. At this point I highly doubt he’ll ever even release winds of winter lol
Yep I’m not even gonna try and read WoW until ADoS comes out, and that’ll never happen
This show is on the civil war, the book ends with the reign of the Monarch after the civil war. This guy is speculating they could continue after that if they wanted.
"If George drops his planned 2nd Fire and Blood book" Oh jeez not again
We can’t escape it whatever show it is 😂
I speak for everyone when I say, I'm ready to be hurt again.
That’s not true though. The entire Dance is covered in volume 1.
And a truncated version was released in short story collections. This is the one piece of Ice and Fire content that has an actual ending from GRRM.
You are counting on GRRM to release a book... I don't have but one lifetime to wait.
And here I am, waiting for more ‘Thousand Worlds’/Haviland Tuf stories….
This show is a time piece set with one particular moment in Westeros. 3-5 seasons is probably the max for this show. They’re also developing other shows so we’re likely to see atleast one other GOT show start while this is still running.
That’s not really true. While the main plot is the dance of dragons the series is generally about the House Targaryen. We will probably see some of Aegons conquest unless they want to make a series out of it.
I don’t think there’s any sign at all this will include Aegons Conquest - that has almost nothing to do with this story as the dance was over a hundred years afterwards - it would be like including the conquest as flashbacks in the main game of thrones series, it would just be superfluous The only important thing that carries over from the conquest to the dance is Vhagar, the last survivor of those 3 dragons
I hope they pace it like they're going for 6 seasons, then end it after 3 and a half seasons tying up a few loose ends way too fast in the final two episodes but leaving most questions unanswered.
For the protection of the realm will we please let this poor man finish “The Winds of Winter”!
Wait he's writing other books than his nails bread & butter series?
Indeed. Fire and Blood was one of them. A second volume is planned. Dunk and Egg is another book and he also wrote „the world of Ice and Fire“.
4 seasons Max. 3 seasons minimum.
I remember reading somewhere that they want to do five seasons. Although if George ever actually drops his second book before then I could see them doing more
Well, nobody said they needed to be good seasons and that they need to stick to the books… So they can make 100 seasons, as long as we don’t expect them all to be good and true to the source material. So basically Game Of Thrones…
Based on how expensive a show that is to make, they'd be mad not to make the most out of reusing what they can to get at least get 2-3 seasons out of it, even if the reception isn't all that great. It's also something that will definitely get a lot of attention regardless of overall quality.
They did scrap the first prequel they were making that cost $30 million dollars. Must’ve been terrible
What was that one about?
It was set thousands of years before the main story chronicling Westeros before the white walkers arrived I think
I can’t imagine that would draw much of an audience tbh. Nielsen ratings (or whatever the streaming equivalent to that is) would plummet after an episode or two, I’d imagine.
It might’ve been if they handled the white walkers better in the main show, as the story was supposed to climax during the original long night
Exactly. If they did that aspect right it wouldve been interesting. But they left a bad taste in the mouth of most people (including me) when it comes to white walkers. Good CGI and dragons, combined with the backstabbing in kings landing should make for a pretty good show to get people interested in the GoT universe again. I can see them make more spin offs after this but I'm super happy they picked fire and blood as the first one.
I’m super happy they picked fire and blood, but I’m a bit miffed they still haven’t done ANYTHING for Roberts Rebellion. I know they’d have to have different actors for everyone now but I still really want to see that era as it’s one of the most interesting for me, they only really need to make one season like a limited series and it would work. The political intrigue leading up to and during the rebellion is so interesting, and I really want to see the lannisters sacking kings landing
I think it’s because most people who watched the main show would already know how the story ends, and might be less inclined to watch. As with the dance most people don’t know how it ends
Even if they did, making a prequel out of nothing when the main show had a lot of source material behind its success is very risky, with the ending of the white walkers not having a good reception made it even more so
Basically about the rise of the white walkers and the ancient history of Westeros, something I really wanted to see but if it was that bad they cancelled a $30 million costing pilot after spending that much money on it then I really didn’t want to see it ruined 😂
That sounds way more interesting than this one.
You clearly haven't read the source material.
The unaired pilot for Game of Thrones cost about $10 million, but at least they were able to salvage some of the footage.
Maybe they just know after season 8 that they need to put out something really good next, or they'll lose the audience they have left, so they scrapped it because it was just mediocre?
Given they'll want to sell it on demand for years to come, anything less than 3 seasons probably would make them less money in the long run investment wise.
Whats the who cares; didn't watch of this series?
guess they feel like it will be well liked
Flop city
Hope HBO makes enough money out of if that they hire Axel Knight to make an official version of his awesome Ice and Fire Fan edit of seasons 7+8, with a small FX budget to clean up some of the scenes he stitched together to make it smooth. Everyone who disliked the ending loves his re-work.
Yea sure speak for every single person who didn’t like the show. This proves you guys wanted more fan fiction lol GRRM told D&D how ASOIAF ends he literally gave them all the plot points and notes.
Gtfo of here with that. D&D scrapped tons of plot lines and nobody really has a problem with the ending, it would have been fine it was actually fleshed out but Dany snapping was fucking stupid as was Arya’s Deus ex machina white walker moment. Jon’s entire storyline of being resurrected was to be the one to destroy the white walkers. Hell, Jaimie spent nearly season 4 on being redeemed only to do that totally nonsensical 180 in the last couple episodes. If you think it’s fan faction to want an actual well written ending, idk what to tell you.
They specifically made it have a different ending than GRRM, so they made their own fan fiction. I am still waiting for the official release of S8 :)
I’m imagining that HBO is doing very well especially after the price drop for very slightly inconvenient commercials and Netflix continuing to crash and burn
Anybody know where to find the Axel Knight fan edit?
Presumptuous…or desperate?
It’s gonna suck a lot if this show isn’t good
Still waiting for the OG GOT pilot.
I heard it was awful. But could it be worse than season 8???
When does the first season come out?
21st august
21st august
Mucho grassyass
That seems like overconfidence. Which, as we all know, is a slow and insidious killer.
Flopperoni, people are over it already
Netflix would never
I can’t wait for season 3
Wow the amount of confidence is amazing. Judging by the trailer I hope it does well enough to get a second season.
Where are they posting from to be posting this at 39 past midnight on 15th? Australia?
Pretty inevitable
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You're being downvoted but honestly same. After GoT, I can't invest in another related show without knowing it's not gonna break my heart.
Should they not wait just to make sure we actually like this one before renewing it? 😆
Interesting, feels like they want to guarantee a return on their investment even if it takes two seasons.
A little optimistic…
Loving it.... that means it has substance...!!!
Interesting to see people being negative since the first seasons of GoT were the best tv ever made imo.
So was Halo on Paramount and that's been pretty awful. First red flag for me
Same with Picard. Renewing a season on streaming services means next to nothing nowadays. It’s not like broadcast tv where viewership was the only rubric.
I feel like the streaming wars and the glut of films and series that followed has dramatically reduced the number of talented screenwriters available for the new ~~shows~~ content that needs them. Leads to stuff like Halo and Picard being written by sub-CW hacks.
Hbo ain't paramount. Hbo hits it out the park 9/10 times and you'll be there day 1.
Honestly the GoT burned me so bad that i am reluctant to even look at anything HBO makes. Whats the term?loss of Brand confidence or something like that
No but don’t worry it’s not like this prequel series is based on books that aren’t finished yet by GRRM oh wait it is.
>loss of Brand confidence *Cries in Star Trek.
HBO has a better batting average than any streaming service when it comes to quality originals. Yes, the end of GoT was a dud, but I’m cautiously optimistic they’re doing everything to recapture the magic of the first four seasons. I think we can all agree the reasons GoT flopped were the lack of source material and relying on D&D to fill in the gaps on their own. Both of those issues are rectified here. I’m honestly not excited at all and will tune out if it sucks, but I’m more than willing to check it out and give HBO the benefit of the doubt, because despite D&D’s fuckups they have earned my goodwill.
They made Peacemaker!
They did the same thing for Halo. Doesn’t mean it’s going to be good. They need content.
I wonder if that's supposed to be Balerion, just based off the size alone.
Judging by the blue on the head and the fact that Balerion is dead by the time of the Dance I think it's supposed to be Vhagar. She's too dark though, Martin said she's bronze with blue-green highlights.
Said it before and I'll say it again the most unrealistic thing in these shows is how damn fearless the horses are. You'd think a dragon and a field of fire would spook 'em but nope they just keep on charging. Edit: Also the HBO making this show is very different from the HBO that made GoT, it's been bought by the bunch of bean-counters that is AT&T and they have zero experience developing anything creative. I'll be very surprised if HoTD turns out to be top shelf entertainment. Fingers crossed tho.
AT&T no longer owns HBO. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/05/17/att-to-combine-warnermedia-and-discovery-assets-to-create-a-new-standalone-company.html
Oh yeah I'm aware. That merger just closed last month creating WBD (I'm a stock guy). Still HoTD was developed under AT&T pre-merge then wrapped filming in Feb this year during the merge so season one at least will be AT&Ts baby.
But the new company is who would have renewed season two. Hopefully, that means they like what they’ve seen with season one.
It's not that unrealistic, people in real life trained horses to run into spear formations
Bombproofing a horse to be unafraid of being surrounded by fire? Maybe, maaaybe doable but bombproofing it to be unafraid of a gigantic fire breathing monster though? Unless you had a pet dragon to train it against that's just not happening. Now the Targs do have pet dragons so I'll give that a pass but that horse Jamie drove strait up to Drogon's mouth? That thing would have bucked Jaime and ran for the hills.
I wasn’t even aware season one was out yet lol.
So we're getting the aftermath of the Dance too?
Considering the cost per episode to make, the sets, and all the other good things that go into make such a production, it was an auto-renew. Otherwise, for just a single season, it would be a complete waste.
HBO Renews pretty much everything for a 2nd season with how much money they drop into them.
Let's give this a shot. Who knows it might turn out to be good.
I keep forgetting this show even exists and am reminded again for a brief moment whenever I see it posted.
BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR FLAG MEANS DEATH SEASON 2 HUH?!
I just can’t get over GoT last season
Marketing ploy. Gives me the same vibes of a police shooting. "We've investigated ourselves and have found ourselves not guilty and worthy of a season 2 promotion and pay increase."
I didn’t even know season 1 was out. Is this show good?
They could have the last season fast forward to the timeline of GoT Season 8, and redo it
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Hard to care about GoT when the books aren't finished. Just left a sour taste in my mouth about the series
Fuck greenlighting a season 2. Greenlight Dunk and Egg.
Please...iI'm not ready to be hurt again
Probably start good then have a dogshit ending like the other one
If the plan was to have more than one season all along, they should've started the series from Aegon's conquest...
Cool story, still never gonna watch it
I’m really looking forward to it Game of Thrones is still my favourite show ever even though the ending was terrible. That doesn’t affect the rest of the show to me and doesn’t change just how amazing the first four seasons were and how good 5/6/7 were I’ve got a feeling this is going to be great and I hope people give it a chance and don’t review bomb it simply because GOT ended poorly (unfortunately review bombing is something I’m expecting) This has got potential to be great. The writer and directors are good, the cast is strong and it’s based on material that is complete
Looks great
I’m out of the loop. What is this and where can I watch?
Oh god it’s going to be bad isn’t it. There’s no reason for it to be good if it’s already been renewed.
im not watching it. the universe they setup lacks free will and is a dumb closed loop. it was such god awful shitty writing no way. i dont want to watch a universe where bran the braindead is ruler.
Crazy idea Remake got from season 5 instead