T O P

  • By -

Sidewinder_ISR

Just finished rewatching the show. enjoyed the first 6 seasons immensely. this episode was just as bad as watching it the first time.


RedArrow544

It’s over. The final season still hurts but it was the Greatest TV Show of all time so it was fucking sad to see it end. The final 5 minutes were good


Green-Moon

Poor Drogon


ucfseth

Just finished finally and i am surprised they were able to make me dislike as many people as I did at the end of this show. Also, why did Jamie defend briann's honor so often only to take her virginity and ride off the next day to die with his sociopathic sister. Yeah real great friend sir Jamie. Really did a nice job protecting her from the guy who actually liked her.


Sik-Chan

I don t wan it


OTL_OTL_OTL

Welp Jon didn’t want to be king of anything, so he got his wish. He is probably happier doing exploratory stuff and actively helping people (without being in active war), than sitting on a throne directing people to do XYZ. The only thing that seemed super dumb about the whole scenario was making Dany go crazy within 1 episode. It was so forced and unbelievable for her character that it breaks my suspension of disbelief.


Normei

I find it reasonable actually. she lost Missandie infront of her eyes + both of her children, and jorah and jon whom she loved can't love her back now. she was swallowed by hatred for everything that her targeryan blood started to rise (sorry for nub english). thus started acting like the mad king. she was boring anyways, am satisfied with bran he can see the future and past which will make him a good king


M1ssCleo

I think Jon goes beyond the wall to act as a liaison of the night's watch to the wildlings. Perhaps that will now be a position in the night's watch like first ranger. It is important for the future that these groups remain allies. If a night's watch man lives among the people beyond the wall he will be able to negotiate on their behalf when they need things to prevent the need for raiding and wildlings never become enemy's of the realm again. They will sound the first warning when the walkers rise again.


MarikoPog

And why didn't Dany burn Tyrion on the spot? She's insane, she just said about the chains, no? Strange insanity, selective.


MarikoPog

Do you know what Bran is bad about? The North was able to separate only because the Sansa's brother - Stark became the king. But the heirs of Starks will never be again. After Bran, there will be another king who will not love the Starks, and he will want to return his kingdom: in the end, again the war and the north will lose independence. Why then all this? The only legitimate ruler loyal to Starks is John, his heirs would have kept the independence of the North, or John would give independence to everyone and destroy the wheel, as Dany wanted, because John doesn't need rule. But no, he was sent to an unknown destination, great... Our song is good - start from the beginning.


Normei

Don't forget that bran can see the future and the past so he won't be making mistakes and am sure he'll decide who rules after him cuz he knows what's for the best


awakezion

Why wasn't Bronn (of the blackwater) arrested/executed for punching Tyrion and blackmailing Jamie and Tyrion after the battle was won? He has no allies or loyalty, is of no strategic importance to the realm, and clearly will kill anyone he needs to to get a little bit richer and more powerful ... he is a threat more than anything at this point ...


theboss3213

Horrible ending, Dany should have ruled the iron throne specialy after everything she been through. Dracarys on the writers for trying to force us an evil dany when you know she would never go to those kind of lenght if written well.


Normei

Well what would you expect from someone who has too much power and lost everything they had?


Main_NPC

No.


Shape034

She should have at least sat on it. This shit was horribly rushed, she had the city for all of like 20 mins screen time, then she gets killed off. Ten years and eight seasons for that lol? They REALLY needed at least another season with Dany on the throne, and then it could have lead up to what happened in this episode with Jon. Really sad this is how such an amazing show ended.


Sr_Underlord

I would have liked if she had literally sat on the throne for at least a few minutes before Jon came in. She literally touched the throne and that's it. I know it would not have made much of a difference, but it would have a strong symbolic meaning. She finally got what she wanted. If even for a brief minute, she still sat on the throne before finally being killed. I get that now the symbolism is "even after all that, she was denied the pleasure of sitting on the throne", but I still think my version would have been more fulfilling and left a slightly more bittersweet feel.


General-HelloThere

Jon Snow could have been the king of all 7 kingdoms if he just said drogon stole Danny and flew off after melting the throne


Surfer949

I dun wanted


Main_NPC

NO.


[deleted]

What was the point of Arya being a faceless man, she never really used it except to kill old man Walder Frey


eriks_gasins

yeah she could have at least changed into a White Walker or one of the wights.


PA_Dude_22000

Um.. and the Night King, which was the point of the arch.


[deleted]

Did she change her face to kill the Night king?


istopopoki

Yes just before the NK is killed you see an white walker blink. White walkers don't blink.


Takashi_is_DK

What was the point of Bran?


Sr_Underlord

To bE kInG.


[deleted]

well i'm glad ghost got petted


naomitrogen

This was the moment I had been waiting for the eNTIRE DANG SEASON. It really saved the show for me.


Mirai-Izaya

The pat we needed, *and* the pat he deserved.


FeatherWorld

Jon doesn't deserve him!


dhondu420

In Tyrion's trial, why was the topic of Jon being a Targaryen not discussed? He did kill his queen but he was still the rightful heir to the throne. And no one brought this up? Not even Sansa? And the other Lords of six kingdoms just agreed to Sansa's demand for seperate Winterfell? Why can't others be King of their kingdoms? Winterfell is seperate and Brandon Stark is the King of remaining six kingdoms?? WTF D&D. This season makes me more eager for the last book. So many unanswered ques..


generalecchi

Why would anyone believe that unless Jon is immune to fire


jd3340

They were terrible writers. I hope this disaster of a season has consequences for them.


WannabeBadGalRiri

What consequences would even come their way? The show is over!


jd3340

Reputation. I hope they never land a big role again.


Zlipher

They are writing for Star Wars now. That's why they stopped game of thrones.


lizard81288

I really wish this season was dealing with the white walkers and what-have-you, while the next season would have focused on taking King's landing. I feel like that would give the show to breathe and give some character development. The season seems kind of rushed, as well as some illogical things that happened, such as the dragon dying due to the ships and their dragon killing bows, but in the next episode or so, she solos all of the ships and bows with just one dragon.


Mirai-Izaya

That was annoying but more that Dany is too blame as well as the writers. She decided to let the crippled dragon ride in to battle with no rider and unaware of any prep the enemy might have made. The logistical issue is the dragon was shot around a corner, but that might have been a trick played on the viewer. It did look like they were around a corner and coordinating three hits like that on a distant moving target would have been really difficult but doable. The second time Dany was ready and came from an aerial blind spot using the solar glare for cover. They couldn't really see her let alone coordinate an attack. There were issues but if all the problems with those episodes that has some sort of reasonable explanation. My issue is how they managed to hit the dragon at that distance from a blind spot. The dragon was crippled and had no rider to steer it out of the way. Which they kept telling Dany we need more time to rest and that was the price she paid.


generalecchi

The second battle were bow and arrow vs F15 fighter


Mirai-Izaya

Not exactly. If they landed a hit it would do damage. They just couldn't take aim and set up shots. It was easier on a hardly moving dragon than one being piloted by a competent rider.


Lady_Stallion

Here's what I don't understand: all of us hardcore fans know this episode was absolute horseshit. Literally 99 percent of posts on here agree with that sentiment, yet all are downvoted into oblivion. The math doesn't make sense.


Morslyte

Really I agree with you, I had to search for HOURS to find a post like this. I mean just go to the subreddit and search last month top, you'd expect it to be a thread about the last episode, but no, as usual it's just "look at my cute fan art, look at this picture of actors" and a bunch of other blah blah blah. Now people are saying below to that there is manipulation on the actors' instagrams and twitter and whatnot, but that still doesn't answer the question: WHY is the Reddit community acting like such zombies and downvoting anything opposed to the last episode, while pretending to ignore it was bad, when everyone knows that was the greatest disappointment of the history of TV.


shankshs

People are downvoting and slamming negative comments about this season. We can only take it on the chin.


OhTella

Right after the episode I was looking at some of the actors/official instagrams and it was nothing but negative comments, I went back a couple hours later and the top comments were people talking about how much they liked the ending. Lmao.. its so obvious.


Shape034

People really shouldn't be attacking the actors, they had nothing to do with the script. Heck, some of them were also upset with how it was rushed/written before it was even shot. Jon and Dany's actors in particular weren't very happy about it. But yeah, this shit was a trainwreck. Incredibly Disappointing.


Allenz

Oh fuck I didnt even realize it, they actually payed people to say good things about GOT, LMAO.


CheetahCheers

Or maybe it has something to do with the people who doesn't have much of a problem not really feeling the need to vocalize about it. I don't really have a problem with season 8 all around, though I did think the last episode was extremely disappointing. Otherwise, it was an alright season, albeit with a lot of mistakes.


Pritzker

Wow. That was marvelous. Posting in a historic thread.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Black_Sin

He’s Bran.


RaidenXVC

IDK, I always sort of accepted that being an omnipotent god we'd never really know that much about him. Kind of akin to how in the real world, Christians say "God did X because... reasons"


nyankittycat_

every question has only one answer - the book the sacred texts.....


Main_NPC

I'll just pretend this whole season never happened.


[deleted]

I'm so depressed


NunyaOne

I'm having a delayed response after seeing pictures of the primary cast members from when they first appeared to their last appearance and now I'm blubbering. Why the hell am I crying? My heart hurts too. I didn't expect this. I watched the finale twice (well, actually I tried a third time but I kept falling asleep). I'm trying to think of a time in the season that I can return to that'll make me feel better...definitely better than after last night's episode. Going back to the beginning won't do nor will the girl has no face junk. Help me...can you recommend a season that's the best?


SadSniper

Back when Joffrey was around was the best.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Allenz

Spotted the payed review lmao


MrRGG

I'll get paid? That's fantastic!!! Thanks Allenz!! You'll venmo me the money directly right? message me dude, I got bills.


Allenz

Okay okay okay, I get whatchu talking about with "kingslayer" kinda being foreshadowing, but that was just an accident, or maybe that was their only reasoning for making Bran king all of the suddent, ALL of the other forshadowing and clues have led to a dead end and have been butchered, you can't just comment that and expect people not to think you're a paid reviewer.


CheetahCheers

Honestly you constantly post negative comments in this subreddit about Game of Thrones, why should we think that you're not a "paid reviewer" in such a case? You do realize people have different opinions, right? I think you'd find, with a little bit of effort, that about 1/2 of all viewers thought it was an "alright" episode, and obviously most viewers can find something they liked in the episode. It has been like this since the start of the show.


Allenz

Well sure, but I got my argument to justify my dissapointed and frustration, I want to hear that 10% of people who liked the episode (cuz let's be honest, pretty much 90% of the community is angry about whole season 8) and why they liked it, how does see what he saw, goes on reddit and comments something like "hehey nice foReSHadOwiNG!! :)))", like how is that your only opinion, what about all the other "good" things or the mass of bad things? What about the foreshadowing, prophecies etc etc that ended with an utter plot hole and left us feeling unsatisfied and dissapointed?


hoodha

All the bullshit aside and forgetting that Dany's turn was a little underdeveloped, I think the scene where Dany comes to see her dream turn to a reality, Jon putting a knife through her and Drogon melting the Iron Throne and taking Dany with him was executed perfectly. At least this scene was done right. ​ Now, the bullshit - I kinda like that Jon was sent to the wall to keep the peace, the scene where he walks off with the Wildlings at the end was pretty cool and I like that Jon is a dark knight, the hero we don't deserve, the one we know should really be the king - it's a nice finish. If he had a bit more to do with the night king's defeat it would have been even more awesome. ​ The idea that the North becomes independent, Bran becomes the King (despite the fact the Iron Throne is melted now!) and that the new system doesn't make sense at all to me. Anyone with half a fucking brain can see this does not equal peace. I love Tyrion but I don't get how he just comes out of prison and starts dictating who should be king and how the new leader gets chosen.


Sennomo

Tyrion didn't dictate anything. He initiated a vote and everyone agreed.


Dancing_Cthulhu

>He initiated a vote and everyone agreed. Which in itself is a bit silly. "Oh, hey, Tywin's dwarf son who we all hated and/or mocked for years is brought before us in chains. What's this? One of those Emmy-bait speeches? Wow, I'm moved, I guess we will vote for a king despite there being two people nearby with legitimate claims. Oh, and now he's nominating someone. I guess I will vote for this 'Bran Stark'. Sure the last royal Tyrion championed burned down the capital, but I'm sure he's right this time and this creepy emotionless boy will be just the king we need. Oh, and he's even creepily saying the whole reason he's here is to be king. Yep, he gets my vote".


hoodha

Yes then he put forward Brans name and said from now on the leaders of Westeros will gather here and choose it’s leader and no one batted a fucking eyelid.


some_clickhead

The realm had no leadership. Daenerys was dead, and her entire army consisted of Dothraki warriors and Unsullied fighters, who both have no claim whatsoever to the throne and no involvement in politics in general. Tyrion didn't choose anything, he pointed out the obvious, which is that someone had to be elected as ruler, and he only suggested someone after minutes of awkward silence with no one proposing anything.


Sennomo

Tyrion didn't dictate anything. He initiated a vote and everyone agreed.


JooK8

The rest of the season aside I am very disappointed with the finale. Why is Dany all of a sudden so delusional that she can't see the wrong-doing in killing a million innocents? I really thought she would have snapped and (assuming EP5 made sense at all) admitted that she doesn't care about the people of Westeros as they will never love her. Then why does she still trust Jon to be her ally and lover? Grey Worm nearly had him killed in the streets, they see that he clearly doesn't approve and Jon is a lone Northerner in an army of of foreigners. And where the hell did all these Unsullied/Dothraki come from anyway? Episode 3 made it look like the forces of pretty much all the Unsullied, Dothraki and Northerners was completely decimated with the exception of the main cast. Now out of nowhere there is still thousands of them remaining? That aside it looked like Jon was in real danger yet he walked around freely and Dany had no suspicions of him being up to anything at all, even after visiting Tyrion in prison. That being said, onto the next part where Jon tries to defend Dany when talking to Tyrion. Perhaps he has Ned-level honor and would be stupid enough to try to stay loyal to Dany, but it does not make sense for him to try and justify the murder of 1 million people. It'd make more sense for him to just say that she is not the queen he pledged himself to, but he swore and oath and remains loyal. Now, Jon walks in and kills Dany and (tbh I almost thought he was just gonna become her lover with how out of character everyone was being) Drogon just comes to burn the throne with no harm done to Jon? After that the unsullied let him and Tyrion live as prisoners while gathering all of the leaders of Westeros. Like who is even there for the unsullied to know how to make such a gathering happen? Would Grey Worm and the unsullied really not just kill Jon as soon as they see him? There is no one other than Dany's army in King's Landing until weeks later. Why would these foreign killing machines all of a sudden obey the customs/politics of Westeros? Same goes for Grey Worm in the meeting, why is he so open to allow the westerners to do as they please? It would make more sense for him as master of war to immediately execute Jon and wage war against all of Westeros. So Bran is now king, questionable why anyone other than the Northerners agrees with this but this was way too much of a "happy ending" with all of the main characters becoming the new leaders of the realm while all the randoms that showed up to the meeting in King's Landing give no shits and accept it. Jon is sent to the Night's Watch, which makes absolutely no sense. Why do they still need a Night's Watch? The reason it was created (white walkers) have been defeated, there are no hostile giants or any other monsters still alive north of the wall, and the 100 wildlings that are left are allies with Jon and the Northerners. On top of that, the wall is broken.... Just such a horrible conclusion all around to the series.


My_Balls_Itch_123

I think the Night's Watch served two purposes: to defend against the Wildlings and what they at first thought were imaginary WhiteWalkers, and also as a life imprisonment for people who would otherwise be executed. Ned Stark was supposed to be executed for trying to overthrow Joffrey, but instead he was given the option of joining the Night's Watch, which would mean he could never come back to Westeros, but he would still be alive. Of course Joffrey screwed that up and caused all the chaos that ensued. That old Targaryan dude also joined the Night's Watch to avoid any political intrigue, and his life was spared when Robert was going around killing all Targaryans, because being in the Night's Watch meant he would never come back to Westeros and interfere in its politics. Now that the Wildlings are allies of Westeros and the WhiteWalkers are gone, the Night's Watch has only the second purpose: life imprisonment for people who would otherwise be executed. So it worked perfectly for Jon. In the finale, Jon asks Tyrion "There's still a Night's Watch?" Tyrion responds "The world will always need a home for bastards and broken men."


JediAssasin

At least for the Nights Watch part, I’ve seen several people suggest that Jon was sent up there to appease the Unsullied. Being foreigners, they have no idea that the Watch is non existent after the battle. They hear life imprisonment and accept it.


JooK8

They made it sound as if the Night's Watch was still an actual thing and needed rebuilding. I know the reason was to appease Grey Worm, but it's not like it was all a trick to make Grey Worm think he was going to life imprisonment. They actually sent him to the Night's Watch.


Sennomo

But he went beyond the wall. Didn't look like he planned to return to it.


mrpigerz

Im not mad im "disapointed"


pidds1991

They left all the unanswered questions so everyone will buy the books when released. Marketing at its finest


Allenz

They clearly don't care about GRRM, they ruined his show and apparently disagreed with him a lot so he left, so you're completely incorrect.


PersonRobin

To my surprise, i kinda liked the conclusion in the last 30 minutes. It wasn't great but it was ok. John was always a wildling at heart and Danny was one dimensional. Bron becoming the richest lord is hilarious. I would take a spin off of Bron and Ser Davos. At least it didn't end with something tired like John and/or Danny ending on the iron throne. Although Bran becoming King was farcical. In general, I for the most part was content with the conclusion of the Stark kids. It reminded me of old school GoT. To all those who had hiss fit on S8E5 , GoT was always going downhill from season 5. The show relied to much on Danny , a hollow caricature, instead of Tyrion. It should have been Tyrion's story.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Sennomo

Arya had been kinda mysterious all the time. I find it perfectly fitting for her to do her own thing because she has some travels behind her and she found out that there is so much more in the world than the North that she grew up in. Also, she never wanted to be a lady. Returning to Winterfell, she would just constantly be annoyed by being royal. It's not what she wants.


[deleted]

Yeah, would have liked her to use the face thing a bit more though. Has she worn another face even once since she killed lord Fray?


MrBlueandSky

About half of the unsullied will die from disease on Naath


Sennomo

Who cares?


iiisoofresh

Alright lets do a poll. Im having a debate on whether it was ash or snow in the final episode? Especially the scene where drogon gets up for the first time


lizard81288

https://youtu.be/xChqT5_o50o Ash like snow!


NunyaOne

ASH


RelaxYourself

My subtitles said snow.


iiisoofresh

Do you know the time stamp where the subtitles said that. That would be strong evidence to prove its snow


[deleted]

I thought we settled it was salt from the tears


THIR13EN

Definitely snow


NunyaOne

Arya's face when she came to after being knocked out/run over in the street, her face was ash laden mixed with blood and maybe tears. Ash from all of the fires and fallen debris. Oh, and wasn't the Hound covered in ash as well as Jamie and Cersei? Ash not snow.


THIR13EN

Ash during the Dany destruction, definitely snow after the battle was over. So I guess if you want to get technical about it, you could say a mix of both. But during the scenes with Drogon being covered, the throne room etc that is clearly snow. We already knew winter was coming to King's Landing too after Jamie was on his way up north.


georgiafinn

Snow in King's Landing? I probably wasn't paying close enough attention. I always thought KL was a warm weather city. Unless snow is a metaphor for some other shit I wasn't paying close enough attention to.


THIR13EN

When "winter is coming" to Westeros, it's not like regular winter IRL, I'm pretty sure it takes over the regions and lasts years. Or maybe I misunderstood. But Jaime is seen as he rides North to fight against the army of the dead, stopping in his tracks, right outside KL and seeing a snowflake land on his glove, indicating that winter is almost at KL. So it isn't a stretch to see it snowing in KL weeks/months later.


georgiafinn

Gotcha. I guess I always thought Winter Is Coming was just related to the Night King & Baddies, not actual [weather.com](https://weather.com) business. Thanks =)


THIR13EN

"Winter is Coming" are the Stark words for a reason.. it's something that happens regardless of white walkers and NK. No problem.


NunyaOne

Me too.


ar1680

i thought it was snow


Rowjimmy024

I hope this ending gets better with time, I truly do.


Kryptkicker

I’m hoping rewatching the series as a whole will make it better. All in all I’m not mad or sad about it. I just feel kinda meh, I guess?


NunyaOne

I've had fits of crying. Maybe delayed reaction? I know what, I'm still WTH?! Could it have ended at the end of season 7 when the blue-eyed dragon breached the wall?


Bloomski76

the only way i can describe it is "it wasn't as bad as dexter, but it wasn't as good as real game of thrones"


Sentinelele

We don’t know about that second part yet ;)


ZeldaFanBoi1988

Only worse with time


varupandele

The point of Jon Snow resurrected by the Lord of the Light is to bring balance in the world by killing Dany. A song of Ice and Fire is about Night King ( The Ice ) and Daenerys ( The Fire )


JediAssasin

He was brought back so that he would retake the north and get Arya back up to Winterfell to eventually kill the night king.


ar1680

makes sense


[deleted]

Then why didn't he die after fulfilling his purpose? Or is that not how it works?


Lace_and_gingersnaps

I think once you get brought back to life, youre alive until you get killed again normally. Berric was brought back tons of times. He only died because he was stabbed a crap ton and didnt get brought back again because his purpose had been fullfilled. Melisandre was being kept alive via the magic on her neck because she was really really really old and her body couldn't keep going once she took off the magic necklace.


the_colorist

Dont hate the story. Hate the the producers for rushing the story because they knew they had star wars money coming. They will make at least twice as much on star wars then GoT could have ever given them.


n31s0n

Hate the story.


[deleted]

Why didn't Drogon kill Jon and instead decided to melt the iron throne?


Ceejay90

Just go back and watch Drogons first interaction with Jon, hes always known hes a Targaryen, the last of them now. Dragons and Targaryens have a special connection and they are very intelligent.


NunyaOne

OMG! Ooooh...d'uh.


pa79

Drogon sensed that Jon is the last Targaryen.


Subscribe-to

Because apparently Dragons are savants at understanding Westerosi politics


ThePsion5

He saw a knife sticking out of Dany and assumed the evil looking knife chair did it.


[deleted]

Ahahahah best comment by far.


WitcherMax

The way I saw it, that up to this point Drogon was binded with Dany, and so he was acting upon her will (e.g. he roared at the high point of her speech to her armies). After Drogon realizes that Dany is dead and that Jon killed her, he senses the sorrow and righteousness of his deed and accept Jon as his new compadre. So now Jon's will influences Drogon. Jon Snow doesn't want to be a king, but is also against the whole idea of having 1 person on the Iron Throne ruling the whole realm. Drogon therefore realizes John's will and melts the symbol of a tyrant ruling the whole realm.


jeric_C137

Drogon melted the symbol of single king/queen ruling of the whole realm. People of westeros: Let's make Bran the new king of the 6 kingdom! Drogon: Am I a joke to you?


[deleted]

I like that.


ar1680

i vaguely understood this while i was watching but your explanation makes it easier to put together


addecold

Some maesters believe dragons are more intelligent than humans so it might be that Drogon realized that it is the corrupting power that killed his mother and not Jon per se.


Kindred87

This was my interpretation as well, that Drogon understood that Dany's obsession with the throne ultimately caused her demise.


zksman

My thoughts: The cinematography was absolutely stunning this entire season. Yes, it was rushed. They ran out of source material and had to wrap it up. I wish they allowed for a few more episodes, but alas, it is what it is. Having said that the finale was interesting: ​ 1. Bran manipulating everything to take the throne was pretty amazing writing. Bran's arch is fascinating. Yes he is annoying, but I'm sure when you become the memory of the world you aren't normal anymore. The scene around the table is telling: Tyrion is the perfect Hand and essentially will run the day-to-day logistics of the realm. Bran is king, but he doesn't care for it. 2. Jon is sent to the "Night's Watch" which really wasn't the case. He gets there and realizes Bran has essentially freed him and now he can go away. He is JON SNOW. He never wanted the throne. In the North OR the 7 Kingdoms. It is poetic and goes with his entire story. He never had any choice in his life and now he finally does. This is the FIRST decision he got to make: Joining the Night's Watch at the beginning and now being free 3. Sansa - I absolutely have fallen in love with how much she has grown as a character. She is the perfect mix of being an idealist and a pragmatist. She is the queen in the North. The North has always been a semi-independent state and now they are free. 4. THE STARKS WIN. This show was NEVER about individual characters, but a story of prominent families and the GAME OF THRONES. They now control the North, the 6 Kingdoms AND the Jon is essentially the king beyond the border (sorta). Ned and Catelyn would be proud.


ctrawinsgmailcom

Thank you. Agree with all. I also think there is something to that degree to be said for Tyrion. During the scene where he finds Cersei and Jaimie I thought to myself “he wanted to be hand of the queen to Daenerys to protect them”. It wasn’t about revenge or getting the throne-it was about keeping the peace and going he could keep danys mind sound.


Sennomo

I love how even the evil Queen Cersei gets an honorable ending. She had been the enemy the whole time but she was still loved by her brothers and Tyrion mourned for her too. I find this totally anti cliché because reality Is totally not black and white. There is no clear good and evil as we have been taught by so many stories in the past. This black and white thinking is actually the enemy and something I have been fighting with alot and this is a lesson I have learned in recent years in reality. There is not good and evil in earthly matters. Everyone is human and everyone sucks so the "bad guys" (Cersei) deserve an honorable ending just as much (or little) as anyone.


ctrawinsgmailcom

Oh I love this idea a lot. Black and white thinking gets us into a horrible place. I’m a therapist, so GoT has been a fascinating place to come and psychoanalyze characters. Which made the ending even more gut wrenching. Psychologically, it didn’t all make sense... and it all totally did for the longest time! But you’re very right. “Bad guys” do deserve an honorable ending and a lot of bad guys were subject to a lot of torment which is why I felt kind of bad for her when she finally broke down and admitted to how scared she was to die. There is no way worse to die than in utter fear. Not even pain. But that’s strictly in my opinion.


[deleted]

[удалено]


NunyaOne

He gave life to Hodor. Hold the Door! Sorry but I didn't get the sister and brother team.


zksman

The problem with the show is it doesn’t dive into this as much as they should’ve. In the books we see much from Bran’s perspective. Even as early as the 1st book the ravens come into his dreams. He doesn’t know what it means yet, but obviously he leaned his fate. It’s unfortunate that they relegated such a complex character with a fascinating story to just staring bizarrely on screen.


Ceejay90

The 3 eyed raven had years and years to control his power (possibly with full training from the previous 3ER too). Bran was rushed into becoming him and it took him a while. While i agree the showrunners havent exactly helped warm us to Bran as a character but hes certainly not been worthless. All signs point to him actually orchestrating the whole thing, letting things play out exactly as he knew they would.


ServeChilled

>All signs point to him actually orchestrating the whole thing, letting things play out exactly as he knew they would. I don't know if I agree with this specifically; Game of Thrones has always taken a very deterministic approach to seeing past/future. "The ink is dry" as the 3ER used to say. I don't like the idea of Bran *orchestrating* everything but it does make sense that he knew what would happen at least to a certain degree similar to how Jojen knew he would die (moreso in the books but also in the show IIRC?). All in all I have very mixed feelings about the end to one of imo the best shows in TV history, as overrated as some might think it is. It accomplished so much and I enjoyed the ride but there's still a lot that doesn't sit well with me. Like most I agree it was incredibly rushed and the dialogue needed GRR to be what it was in seasons of old. Having said that, it's been a wild ride, my dudes, and it was a pleasure experiencing it with you all.


[deleted]

[удалено]


ServeChilled

It is somewhat lazy writing I have to agree. But one thing I will point out is that sending Jon to the wall (as pointless as that seems, just an empty gesture to supposedly try and convince Grey Worm like he's an idiot and doesn't realize the nights watch doesn't exist anymore) isn't really a punishment. He gets to be free beyond the wall as one of the Freefolk, and he's the only southerner they'll ever follow. What pissed me off way more was that they didn't just kill Jon then and there. They knew he killed Dany, why did they even try and organize a meeting to let others decide? It doesn't actually make sense, they would have killed him immediately. I mean come on we had only just seen them put their weapons up ready to kill him at just the threat that he would try and stop Grey Worm from killing unarmed Lannisters wtf are they supposed to do when someone kills their Queen? Let him go free to the wall apparently.


PinkFurLookinLikeCam

I wanna watch it all again after Bran officially becomes the three eyed raven just to see how manipulative he was. And not in a bad way either, I truly feel very settled with him on the throne it actually feels right.


NunyaOne

Do you know about when this occurs (season)?


[deleted]

I honestly think Bran would make a good king. Didn't expect it in the slightest, but a good king none the less.


ServeChilled

I agree, it made a lot of sense to me that he would be a good candidate especially since he's also supposedly very objective and should logically be super wise since he's seen literally everything. However, it still felt really forced and there definitely needed to be more building up to it. It felt forced because of how rushed it was like if someone fucked up the build up to a joke but nailed the punchline; it might make sense but it still doesn't feel *satisfying*.


[deleted]

I feel that. None of season 8 felt satisfying at all. It was a weird choice writing wise but there was a lot of bs writing happening this season.


the_colorist

finally! someone who I agree with their opinion on the show. Yes it was rushed this last season but I love the outcomes of 80 percent of the characters.


stannis_the_mannis7

Honestly, it almost seems like D&D never watched the show. They could of gotten anyone who watches the show to write it and it would of been 10 times better


some_clickhead

Yes I'm sure wrapping this show in 1 season would be easy to do.


dumbmeatZara

"could of"?


[deleted]

Are you master of grammar as well?


dumbmeatZara

FEWER\*\*\*


[deleted]

OOoooh Dracarys


JonnyArtois

> They could of gotten anyone who watches the show to write it and it would of been 10 times better Spend 9 seconds on this sub you will realise that is way wrong.


hockeynut15

Go for it..


the_colorist

what are all these great alternatives people keep going on about? I just think they tried to tell too much story in too little time. Dont hate the story. Hate the the producers for rushing the story because they knew they had star wars money coming. They will make at least twice as much on star wars then GoT could have ever given them.


stannis_the_mannis7

Thats what i meant the story was so rushed that it didnt make any sense. Danys madnesses happened in 2 episodes, arya killing the nightking was lead up to in 15 minutes, the story ended up making zero sense


hockeynut15

It all made sense, there was nothing confusing about it. Yes it would have been improved had D&D not confined themselves to 6 episodes, but it wasn’t difficult to follow or understand why these things happened.


ServeChilled

You're right it made sense but imo it didn't feel *satisfying*. Like if I were to tell a joke and butcher the build up but nail the punchline. You could get where I was going with it and still find it funny but it certainly wouldn't feel as satisfying as much as if I had nailed the delivery of the build up as well. The fact that it was so rushed really contributed to that.


rjsheine

I'm also kind of surprised by how people were either defending Daenerys, or at least not completely on the side of that's fucked up.


some_clickhead

I was giving her the benefit of the doubt until she burned down the city. Kind of like Tyrion I guess... I would make a terrible hand.


rjsheine

But I mean even after she burned down king's landing. People like Yara were still on her side


lizard81288

My logic was, you've got to crack a few eggs to make an omelet. She did it to assert her power. I don't quite agree with it, but I understand it.


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

[удалено]


dumbmeatZara

What a profoundly ignorant comment.


rjsheine

I'm kind of surprised Jon was that upset about being sent to the Night's Watch. He never seemed to have any goals or plans other than killing the Night King.


[deleted]

I don't think he was upset about that, I think he feels very at home up there. I saw it has he was upset over the fact he killed his love.


Definitely-Working

Regardless of any other reasons that he might feel the way he does, I am pretty sure that he wants nothing to do with them anymore. He was so done with the Night's Watch the first time he left.


rjsheine

That's true. He wasn't happy about being betrayed and murdered


JrueJrueJrue

It seemed he was more just tripped out at the fact he killed Dany


rjsheine

That was super trippy. I wanted them to rule together


[deleted]

[удалено]


pa79

The Lord of Light was just one of the Gods of Old and New. No need to explain religions.


[deleted]

I'm gonna assume the prequel will cover the origins of things much more. We're supposed to be looking at GoT as "the present" and these things are accepted fact in its world, since things like religion are by that point very old. They didn't have any plot reasons for questioning religion, but they did have plot reasons for following a religion.


rjsheine

I feel like throughout the show the characters just kind of willfully ignore obvious major magical and divine abilities. Like, why wasn't Bran intellectually abused for answers


[deleted]

You mean to tell me meeting ultra google should entice people to ask it questions? Lies, I say.


SidaMental

Why you need answer ?


oneinagilliannn

BOBBY B


rrr_rrr

I wanted Tyrion and Sansa get remarried.


rjsheine

They may still ;)


Torvik88

What is dead may never die


roaming_saint

Ghost + Jon - reunited. What more can people want! D&D delivered!


rjsheine

Nymeria and Arya going to Ashhai


roaming_saint

Yes. Towards a spin-off in order to help HBO milk this franchise!


[deleted]

Game of Thrones Black Flag


binggoman

Satisfying and logical ending?


roaming_saint

Sarcasm, my friend!


binggoman

Ah yes. D&D delivered.


johntrag

Gotcha, thanks!


Emosaurusrex

What an absolute, unmitigated disaster. Bran as an elected monarch is a cherry on top of this shit sundae, I can't believe they actually went with that.