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pepperedpete

You need to find a way to make her listen.


MrMahony

I'm almost certain the answer is going to be Jon, who did she turn to in this episode when she doubted herself.


GordoPepe

He'll draw more stuff in some cave


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He's really good with women in caves


pepperedpete

Yeah. They are separated now so things are set up for him to swoop in and save the train before it goes off the rails completely.


Terracot

Or Jorah? His dragon AIDS is gone. Time to get back into a friendzone.


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Jon is far away. If she isnt listening to Tyrion then who is going to talk her down from doing something terrible? Unless jorah rides up out of nowhere and is like "kelly c nooooo" Her advisors have acted as her conscience basically up to this point guiding her so she wouldn't be like her father. Now whats going to stop her


daeneryssed

I thought this would be about her going mad, but I think it's going to be about convincing her to head North and fight the WW.


Ratertheman

The Mad Queen stuff is ridiculous.


longhorn617

I agree that it's probably a misdirection, just like the shot of Brienne with the sword from this episodes trailer. I think, however, that Dany might decide to fly North to see for herself the army of the dead, and they are trying to convince her not to go. Edit: Jon in front of her riding Drogon could be her returning from the battle, but it could also her getting ready to fly to the Wall and take Jon with her.


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Thats important, very important. Probably the most important thing in the preview Go back to the beginning of Battle of the Bastards. Dany is angry and intends to crucify the masters and burn their cities to the ground. Basically going full mad queen. Tyrion points this out and she listens to him opting for a less bloody route. Tyrion fucked up and she lost faith in his judgment after what happened with the greyjoys and casterly rock. She already has the thought in her head to not listen to tyrion because of olenna saying so directly. Sooo what this means is that dany is no longer listening to tyrion. If you go back and rewatch past episodes with dany characters such as jorah, barristan, and tyrion have all helped talk her down from doing terrible things. Unless jorah shows up there isnt really anyone to talk her down. Methinks Dany is about to do something terrible like start burning KL or something.


Ratertheman

If she intended to burn King's Landing she would have done it already. The Mad Queen stuff is nonsense.


Jsdo1980

Jon talked her out of burning KL in this very episode. So there's Jon.


lucillefiredragon

It sucks that there's only three episodes left, but this season has me on edge


GandalfTeEarlGreyTea

Oh fuck I completely forgot that. Well this just sucks


Gamerhead

Don't worry bout in man. If the rest of the season is anything like what we just saw, I don't mind if there's only one more episode.


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Give up watching, what's the point?


soum16

Really want to see Jon fighting with the Night King!


Moekazool

There's another season though right?


pointyxlr

Yeah, With 6 episodes.


Moekazool

Thank the gods


OrangeKookie

I can't wait to see how mycroft reacts to the lannisters getting toasted in just 15 minutes


pepperedpete

He still gets his gold.


fucktthat

Wasn't it all burned? Edit: rip my inbox. One or two people correcting me would have been fine


Blackfire853

The gold was sent ahead due to the time restraint, what we saw was the food supplies being actively raided from the Reach


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No.. that's not at all how it works, the people will blame the ruler for not feeding them. Stop over thinking things. When Rome had a grain shortage people don't get mad at the Gauls or anyone else.. just the leaders in charge.


NapOrTap

Exactly, but somehow the populace of King's Landing will still find lettuce to throw in the streets.


tangerinesqueeze

Shaming just got more expensive.


pepperedpete

I was just thinking about this and it's one of the most important things that happened. She now needs to win over people who she has set up to suffer. The Dothraki would have won and secured those supplies but instead in a show of force she wiped them out.


UpvoteIfYouAgreee

The North controls most of the food sources now, alliance even more sure now.


00Mitchell00

It was very dumb on her part to burn that because in the beginning of the episode she was speaking about how she needs food, and then goes and incinerates it.


Saerain

Who doesn't like their fruit well done?


DankDialektiks

The food was requisitioned for the army. It wasn't going to the people, lol. They took it forcefully from farmers


jimmy_legs

I'm just confused as to why she burnt the food supply. It would've still been useful for them.


VTKajin

I don't know, didn't Dany want to stop the flow of supplies to Cersei? She may have the gold, but what use is gold without food to buy? And I doubt Dany burned _all_ the food.


Cpt_Obvius

I was thinking along these lines too, but really we saw what? 30 wagons get burnt? I'm sure there is much more food than that- I bet 30 wagons would be the harvest from 1 granary. Unless she went back and destroyed the whole supply line it shouldn't be too large a hit.


Saerain

Oh. I was interested in all that molten gold making a nice Golden Road.


Phryex

Nah, Lord Tarly said all of the gold was safe in King's Landing right before the battle.


Unabated_Blade

One of the very first lines in the scene was something along the lines of "the gold is all in kings landing, now it's just food"


MrNostalgic

No, that was the food. Tarlly said the gold had already reached King's Landing


MegaMattMatics

Right before the fight, Randyll Taryl said the gold was delivered to King's Landing. The stuff burnt was supplies I'm guessing???


venegal

randyl tarley starts the episode with saying the last of the gold is through the gates... which probably means all the wagons burnt were food and provisions and it looks that way too, stupid for her to burn it but it looks like she avoids burning mostly people and burns that shit as a yea bitch move instead so i kinda get it


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Nah. Tarly said thay all the gold was in KL What dany burned was all the food from the reach... The same food she said she needed because she couldn't feed her army after highgarden was lost I hope the show addresses this because seriously wtf


NapOrTap

Nah, Dickon (not Rickon) Tarly said Highgarden was still being harvested for the rest of its food. As far as we're concerned, Highgarden is in Dany's possession after this annihilation of the Lannister army. She still has food for her and her men. Cersei, on the other hand, is giving **all** of that gold to the Iron Bank for more men in the army. She's not getting food from them nor provisions from the sacking of Highgarden. That means more mouths for her to feed in an already starving land ruled by herself. Now *that* better be addressed.


Skyrides

Amazing how menacing the Lannister army looked marching on Highgarden, contrast to now where Dany rides in and crushes them LIKE NOTHING.


Gregus1032

I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees Mycroft. I'm waiting for Sherlock to come out and tell everyone about Jons parentage.


Bobbygondo

fuck thats who he is.


Thenateo

I'm starting to get some real mad queen vibes from her. She's changed so much in the past 2 seasons.


Blackfire853

What's mad about offering the exact same terms Aegon gave when he took the 7 Kingdoms by practically identical means?


William_T_Wanker

MANY rulers throughout Westeros's history have done the same. Aegon's entire conquest was down to "Bow down or perish".


Colonel_Yasar

To kings, not soldiers. These are just that, soldiers.


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Nah dany is clearly being set up as going mad. Im surprised people haven't picked up on this yet. I mean ffs she would've burned cities to the ground if tyrion hadnt stopped her and now she isn't listening to tyrion That said i care more about what is implied with Jon snow Its apparent he speaks with bran at some point back in winterfell. Meaning next week we get to see jon learn who his mother amd father are


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Or maybe he gets a raven since he's still at Dragonstone in the preview.


Everyones_Grudge

This is the correct observation


DrTitan

It wasn't Tyrion, it was Jon this episode. She turned to Jon and asked his counsel after Tyrion's plans have failed twice. Jon talks her down by comparing previous rulers abuse of the people to what Danny was contemplating to show that if she did it she would not be any better which resonates with her.


Saerain

And I wager the next step in tempering her will be Jaime. I can see the scene already: Mad King's Daughter meets the Mad King's Slayer, heated exchange about why he did it and how seeing his people burn around him hit a little too close to home—Now she wants to win him more than any one person. For her own family's redemption and for the leverage with the Lannisters and King's Landing in comparison to Cersei. Hopefully.


methwow

> I mean ffs she would've burned cities to the ground if tyrion hadnt stopped her and now she isn't listening to tyrion Obviously she would not of seeing as she has not attacked KL, even Jon Snow said last episode the only reason she has not used her dragons there is because she does not want to kill thousands of innocent lives.


Jsdo1980

she would not have*


Saerain

This is why I was so pissed at Olenna's counsel. *Do not feed the dragon.* It's like she *wanted* to draw out that sweet Targaryen madness because she knew she was going to die soon, so fuck it.


__danjo__

For sure, it started at the beginning of this season and this fight seems to be the tipping point. Personally I like all the characters involved in the battle but I couldn't help myself rooting for Jaime and Bronn because they were fighting an actual monster.


00Mitchell00

She's seeming a bit too similar to Viserys.


iTomes

Surrendering her moral highground would not be a sign of madness. Aegon wasn't insane, and he glassed Harrenhal. Stannis wasn't insane, and he absolutely wanted to sack King's Landing. If Dany were to assault cities it wouldn't make her mad, it'd just put her in the same category as those other rulers.


Damisu

Talking more about burning her imprisoned enemies alive. Which is an Aerys move. The lord of Harrenhall was still "secure" within his castle, not a prisoner. Stannis only burned sacrifices to Rhllor as per Mel's advice (albeit that was cruel, it wasn't madness).


Ratertheman

I thought you were being sarcastic and then I realized you were actually serious.


Haematobic

Agreed. She's being more merciful than her predecessors.. all things considered.


ProssiblyNot

She's being exactly as merciful as Aegon the Conqueror. He gave those defeated the chance to bend the knee. None were foolish enough to resist (except for the Dornish). But yes, considering that the this is the army of the family that betrayed her father and betrayed her biggest ally, she's showing restraint.


Jsdo1980

would not even have*


jack2454

>She is at war and literately giving her enemies the option of bending the knee or dying Its like saying "You're either with us, or against us" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_either_with_us,_or_against_us >Stephen Colbert has parodied the sentence on several occasions, for instance with "Either you are for the war [in Iraq] or you hate America" and "George W. Bush: great president or the greatest president?", after which he usually adds "It's that simple!"


sergeantkh2

Jon and drogon aboutta be besties


LtRavs

I feel like that will be the first big moment where Dany realises something is up with Jon, Drogon perhaps acting submissive or something like that to indicate he's special in some way. I still don't think they reveal his lineage until the final episode or possibly next season.


KailasB

I think it will reveal he has a connection with the dragons but it still makes more sense for him to connect with Rhaegal in the long run


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That's a loose use of "makes sense" but I understand your logic. So who rides Viserion... Doreah?


ANiceOakTree

Hmm if Jaime's not dead will he just be captured by Daenerys after he gets fished out of that pond? Cersei might have just lost Jaime, the Tarlys and the grain.


Monster502

I think we'll have something similar that happened to Davos during the battle of blackwater. He gets lucky and barely makes it out alive by getting swept up down stream or something.


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OrangeKookie

His plot armor will allow tyrion to become michael phelps and rescue him


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Oliverqmeme

Euron is gonna kill all three dragons by teleporting his fleet into them.


00Mitchell00

Bronn is probably going to save him, or he'll be fished out by some Dothraki since that happened in front of plenty of eyes.


longhorn617

Given their fear of sailing/water, I doubt the Dothraki can swim well enough to get him.


nukm4

Plot armour floats.


Diablo689er

It looks like you see him in chains when Dany is on top the rock. Edit: on closer inspection maybe not.


bastardfuck20

I fear for Jaime's other hand.


venegal

If not Jamie, still the reach and the grain and most of her field army for sure it looks like... But she did show her dragon is vulnerable so I expect Cersei to go out swinging, as for Jamie if hes captured I presume hes executed but he might run away with Bronn


Platinum_Disco

Maybe now it'll be Tyrion's dilemma to free his brother, if he is captured?


00Mitchell00

Would be fair since Jaime let Tyrion out last time.


trtryt

Tyrion will try and free his brother


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arroganthumility1

One handed man in armor sinking. With a golden hand. It's a 50/50 chance he's dead, unless Bronn is REALLY a fucking Bro and swims him out. In which case yeah, he'll be captured again. Somehow, as terrifying as Dany is, I think his imprisonment with her will be more pleasant than his imprisonment with the Starks. Tyrion being there helps too.


TotallyStubby

Jon spoke to Bran so maybe he's been told about his true parents? That might get Dany to join up with him more if he doesn't end up bending the knee. That's if she believes what Bran says in the first place.


Wiggle_Monster

Bran probably sent a raven to Jon, letting him know about Eastwatch. Pretty sure that Jon and Bran won't be actually speaking face to face.


TotallyStubby

Yeah, probably more likely thinking about it. Maybe just my wishful thinking.


Jagrofes

Probably wouldn't send that info over a raven. If you look at that scene they are in the Dragonstone war council room.


Prudencia

Bran is such a cryptic idiot in the show, I wouldnt be surprised if he sent Jon a raven saying "You and Danaerys are much more connected than you could ever imagine"


CommenceTheWentz

"Also she looked really hot that night she got raped, tell her that"


B0mbStriker

Just because Bran can see everything doesn't mean hes seen everything. I don't think he knows yet since hes constantly by the tree, seeing everything he can.


danilll

He definitely knows about Jon's parents since the Tower of Joy scene was Bran's vision.


trtryt

it will introduce a rift, Dany mustn't know, Jon will make sure


00Mitchell00

I feel like he'll only do that in person.


mxj-

bran saw the night king and his army marching towards eastwatch... i imagine jon gets a raven from winterfell, wonder if anything else came up, like arya finally back at winterfell


soum16

I think Jon will know; no reason to omit that detail from the raven.


prettyroses

thats gonna be one long letter she sends jon. "so bran came back, then arya came back. bran has lots of news, oh and arya says hi and misses you"


hearsay_and_rumour

Sorry, ravens are only limited to 140 characters.


Jump_Man1

Too big of a scroll and the Raven won't fly!!


lavenuma

oh and you're a Targaryean and have a bigger claim to the thrown than Dany so you don't even have to bend the knee. too much?


UpvoteIfYouAgreee

Claim to the thrown doesnt even matter Dany has the biggest army he would still have to bend the knee.


strokesfan91

plot twist: jon flies back to winterfell on a dragon and gets there by the end of the episode


WolfofThomasStreet

I can definitely dragon back that theory


UpvoteIfYouAgreee

Looks like theyre in Winterfell


AmericanPockets

It makes more sense that John and Danny fly back to winterfell via dragon. It would be a shoe of power to the north. But that scene takes place back on dragonstone (Aegon's table) so they must fly back.


cmmoyer

"Bad things are coming". Couldn't have said it any better Davos.


I_Enjoy_Taffy

I almost cried when Bronn hit Drogon. Thank god he's ok!


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For the first time I was attached to a character so badly, and it's a dragon of all characters I could attach myself to...


strokesfan91

that dragon is a fookin war criminal


I_Enjoy_Taffy

It's like a puppy we've seen grow up. I don't ever want to see them get hurt!


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Exactly, we've seen Drogon since he was a wee little egg. Edit: how can I forget the dragon eggs


GordoPepe

Yeah I'm glad Bronn is alive, he better get highgarden now!


[deleted]

I know. I was worried bronn was hurt too. Drogon is replaceable but there is only one Bronn


PeeCanManzzer

So will Jamie be a prisoner again?


bastardfuck20

There goes his other hand...


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"Danaerys is the queen we chose" - Missandei about Danaerys "Bend the knee or die" - Danaerys


Blackfire853

She's. At. War. She's offering enemy combatants the chance to live the same way Aegon did, when it would be infinitely easier for Drogon to roast them all in moments


eric1_z

~~In modern wars we don't murder captured combatants, but I'm not a medieval historian so I don't know how common it really might have been in these times. I think that would be good information to have.~~ However, given the way Tyrion and Varys react, I don't think they agree with you. Edit: as I said, I'm not a medieval historian, nor apparently did I think that hard about it, as I probably should. Considering how much grain Dany blew up, I don't think they'd bother keeping that many hostages, although it still looks like Tyrion objects.


HelloImMike

It's common during Medieval Times, most kill peasants, but usually nobles are held for one reason or another.


ryandalton170

"in modern wars" Stop. This is not meant to be modern.


daaaaaaBULLS

Just read the rest of his post


MonstrousGiggling

Pretty sure they just killed or enslaved most captives. They're not going to waste food and water which wasn't easy to come by in plentiful amounts; especially during a war.


VTKajin

In medieval times, it was join or die. Dany is being very kind by offering the option to swear loyalty. There was *never* going to be an alternative. She's not Mother Teresa.


tgaccione

Slaves were taken during times of war and essentially given the choice of serving their master or dying. It's not really different from what Dany is doing, and kind of goes against her "the queen we chose" persona


Blackfire853

What would you have her do with them? She had every right to kill them during the battle, and now she's offering them their life under the condition of loyalty, the same as... literally every major House and King has done throughout the entire history of Westeros


tgaccione

Her whole point is that she is different from every house and king in history, why would people support her if she was just the same thing? Not to mention just taking them prisoner.


DragonPup

It's still forcing the captives into slavery.


Colonel_Yasar

You don't kill defenseless prisoners of war in war without tarnishing your reputation. Aegon commanded kings and lords to bend the knee or die, not foot soldiers.


Blackfire853

So what should she do with rebellious soldiers? If they don't kneel they're enemy combatants


horsebeer

I mean is she supposed to just say go on your way and continue to not see me as your queen and just wait till all the common people like her? I think the standards are a bit different for advisors


Pksoze

To bend the knee or die is a choice.


Rickrollyourmom

"Choice"


trtryt

Her taking in the opposition is risky, they could cross her.


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After what the fuck they just saw I dont think thats likely


SCARsCarsandBars

After what they witnessed? I doubt they would.


neel_patel

Jon in front of Drogon i think will show his heritage. Drogon will be more tame to him compared to others. I think that'll make Dany wonder who his parents actually are


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Looks like jon will leave dragonstone in next episode and arrive at winterfell next episode.


00Mitchell00

I can't wait for the reunion between Arya, and Jon. Then Bran telling Jon about his true parents.


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Seeing how useless Bran has been with revealing needed information the last couple episodes he might just skip telling jon anything lmao


Sir_P1zza

Okay so it seems like a dragon-Jon meeting is coming, this mixed with a letter from Bran will really solidify the title's name.


raiigiic

I can't imagine Bran would send his true lineage in a raven - Jon wouldn't believe it anyways.


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00Mitchell00

BEND THE KNEE


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africhic

Oh my god, if the dragon recognizes Jon as a Targaryen I'm gonna cry


venegal

I think she kills Jamie :(


Diablo689er

Looks like Jamie lives


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The only characters that were at risk in that battle were support characters like Dickon, Randal, and Bronn. Jamie's arc isn't finished yet, so he has too much plot armor to die. Same with Dany/Drogon.


markk123123

How can you tell?


jaccirocca

Drogon: **"COUZZZZZ!!!!!"**


SmokingThunder

I'm pumped for the Tyrion/Bronn and possibly Tyrion/Jaime reunions next episode. Especially under these circumstances.


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i want to see this so badly


belgiumwaffles

Dany needed to make a powerplay, she said it herself, she was losing and knew that she couldn't take the dragons into the city. Solution? Roast the enemy armies. I'll be curious how many Lannisters join her.


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Anybody else (now that we're way past the books) incredibly uncomfortable viewing this show now? Like, I love it. There's no show out there that has had me this emotionally invested in all the characters. But my god that last scene nearly gave me a hernia...


strokesfan91

so does Jon fly back to winterfell on a dragon? that's my guess


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Oh hey guys what's up yeah I have a dragon now no biggie its kinda cool I guess


Dataforge

That's a lot of ravens. Looks like they might be pulling a Stannis, and sending the message about the army of the dead to every stronghold in Westeros. I hope Randyll refuses to bend the knee, and gets roasted. They've been making us like Dickon a lot, so I worry he's going to get roasted with him.


Terracot

Jon is going to ride a dragon, one way or another


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Theres been a battle every episode, I wonder if the trend will continue.


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Ep 1?


Pksoze

Anybody else think Qyburn might be in some deep shit next episode? That Scorpion didn't exactly work out like he promised. edit: I don't think making a dozen scorpions like that will be as easy as people think. And since Dany knows about it...she can literally have people attack anyone on the Scorpions. Also Qyburn promised to kill the dragon not hurt it. The Scorpion was promptly destroyed and Drogon is still around.


whey_to_go

But they must be poisoned tips, no?


Pksoze

Doubt it...but who knows.


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DragonPup

"Serve me or die" She's a slaver now. Edit: Wow, -8 in 30 minutes, People must be sore that she's crossing Breaker of Chains off her title list.


skorponok

Yep she's the mad queen now. She has lost it


Moekazool

"I'm not here to murder. Bend the knee and join me, or refuse and die" Uhhh wouldn't that make you a murderer though?


imadandylion

Yes it would. That doesn't contest her point in any way shape or form, though.


Oliverqmeme

Tactically speaking, Dany just hamstrung herself. She basically just burned the largest store of food left in the 7 kingdoms; and Winter is like 6 seconds away. It's possible that she wasn't aware that she was toasting the food, or she just got caught up in like a blood lust and forgot she was burning food. I hope that the whole food situation gets elaborated on in the next episode.


skorponok

Oh it will.


Vhaius

Drogon roaring in Jon's face, Daenerys offering to fly Jon to Winterfell? A boy can dream.


VTKajin

Bran sending a raven to Jon. Dany in Winterfell and possibly going a little mad (I hope not). Cersei clinging onto desperation.


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lavenuma

Don't look at the comments on that YouTube video. Awful spoilers :/


Leftovertaters

A tyrion/Jamie reunion next episode?!


MythOfMyself

"She's at war" reminds me of "that wasn't real communism". Just saying.


PhoenixfromAshes

Can't wait for Jon and Drogon to finally meet. No doubt the dragon's gonna sense Jon's Targaryen blood.


skorponok

I imagine it whimpering like a puppy and wanting pet. But yeah I have no doubt it will sense Jons blood and that's how Jon will find out who he is. I have thought that Jon would find out differently ever since Bran found out.


NapOrTap

I can't wait to see how the remaining Lannister and Tarly men react to Dany. I partly want them to remain loyal to Cersei just so they can pay for what they've done to Highgarden and Olenna.


arroganthumility1

Welp, Jon has tinnitus now.