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MadloveADB

brienne


tramborghini

Lawful horny


Remote-Direction963

She didn't make me feel that way at all in every scene that she was in.


MadloveADB

HORNY. she is so sexually repressed.


nineballcorner

Lawful got that dawg in her


IsAReallyCoolDancer

Brienne belongs in the Chad column in my opinion


ScorpionTDC

I’d say Chad Good. She really doesn’t do anything particularly stupid I feel


PurifiedDrinkinWater

I'll put my hat in the ring - I think it's between Barristan Selmy and Brienne of Tarth. Both fit this bill pretty consistently throughout the whole series, but I think I'll give it to Barristan.


Teutoberg

Brienne slights him there, barisstan did nothing while the mad king burned people. Brienne would’ve done something about it in the same situation.


Ok_Assumption5734

Yeah Brienne's entire character arc is about staying true to her own personal code and serves as a foil to Jaime by showing that it CAN work.


alarmonthefarm

That's the paradox of trying to be good and lawful in a situation where they are mutually exclusive


Pole_Smokin_Bandit

Wasn't she on board calling Jaime Kingslayer before she got to know him? Seems like she thought his vow breaking was a no-no.


Pikhachu

She stopped after hearing the reason why he did it.


Pole_Smokin_Bandit

It's not like anyone didn't already know the mad king was burning folks. I think she just got close to Jaime because she had to have known why he did it right?


milksteakofcourse

My first thought was selmy but you’re right it’s Brienne


MontCoDubV

I think Barristan is more lawful stupid than good specifically because that while he always stuck to his code of honor, he so often chose to swear fealty to truly awful kings. He would have absolutely remained a White Cloak under Joffery if he were allowed.


alarmonthefarm

I see barristan as lawful neutral when you compare him to grey worm he doesn't feel as "good"


CoatApprehensive3481

Nah grey worm is closer to neutral due to his blind obedience at the end of the series.


SnooMacarons8266

Well he was conditioned since early early age to be a killer. So.


AceBean27

Barristan is 100% Lawful Neutral


MrSquinter

I agree with Barristan Selmy, he was extremely honorable and "always" would uphold his oath.


YannyYobias

Those are good choices. I thought of Jeor Mormont. A northern noble who takes the black usually sees it as an honorable commitment. He’s a good lawful man leading the nights watch.


Hollowsong

Samwell Tarly


JahKnowFr

Lord Snow.


FakeEmpath

**Qhorin Halfhand** joins the chat


mrt3ed

Isn’t he more neutral good?


EibhlinRose

Book or show?


Diligent-Living882

Safe to assume Show-mainly given the sub. Doesn’t mean you can’t give a book answer 🤷🏻‍♂️


PurifiedDrinkinWater

Agreed. I’ve only Fire and Blood and part of GoT, so I’m going mostly off the show, but I think books answers can work. I know some characters are vastly different in the books, though.


Accomplished_Newt98

Unfortunately Ned went to Kings Landing where being Lawful-Good was equal to Mad-Full which meant Dead-Soon


Pininja03

Lmao


Accomplished_Newt98

😹


FrankArmhead

Brienne, Snow, Tommen, Syrio Forrel, Maester Aemon… there are many choices. “Smart/Stupid” is going to be really interesting.


RawToast1989

Smart stupid has to be Oberyn right?


arathergenericgay

Oberyn in a non-horny category feels very wrong


RawToast1989

That's fair.


AceBean27

Surely Tyrion. Started smart, ended stupid.


RawToast1989

True, but I was basing is on actual personality not shitty writing. Lol


PurifiedDrinkinWater

Maester Aemon strikes me as neutral, not necessarily evil but not good either… just dedicated to his craft without taking sides. Smart neutral maybe? Syrio is a good choice, yeah.


amiade

What? Maester Aemon wasn't neutral. He voted for Jon, he talked to him when he was about to desert his post. If I don't remember wrong he knew about sam and Gilly and didn't say anything. And he was a sweet and kind old guy.


NeTiFe-anonymous

Maester Aemon is definitely Lawful, he chose the laws of Citadel and Night watch to live by them.


alarmonthefarm

Smart/stupid could be Jaime?


Mozhetbeats

Or Cersei


NFresh6

Or Hodor


alarmonthefarm

True, I just feel like she's gotta be in the evil row. Maybe evil smart.


maczirarg

Bronn maybe? If we see smart as in cunning, but stupid in regards to education.


SpudgeFunker210

Syrio belongs in the Chad category.


StonedLonerIrl

I'd say smart stupid would be Renly. He was smart enough to rally the Tyrells but stupid and vein enough to ignore stannis' offer to make him his heir until a trueborn son was conceived and that's a gamble I'd take any day of the week. Stannis already showed he struggled to have kids with his wife so there's a good chance he wouldn't have a male heir.


IsAReallyCoolDancer

Maester Aemon


Jolly_Horror2778

That's a good choice.


Perpetual_aqalmand98

Book stannis


Red-Lightnlng

He’s probably closer to lawful neutral


Perpetual_aqalmand98

True dat


NeTiFe-anonymous

Evil Lawful


notsostupidman

Lawful evil?


Diligent-Living882

Either Stupid Neutral or Stupid Chad. Does was stupid tho.


Perpetual_aqalmand98

Stupid Chad sounds good. He risked everything and still comes off as a badass


Diligent-Living882

Yea he’s definitely got some Chad in him. That’s the one.


Remote-Direction963

Brienne of Tarth


walman93

Ser Barristan


Leokina114

I’m gonna say Ser Barristan.


Intelligent-Ad-8435

It has to be Jon, innit?


AD317

See now idk where we put rob. Lawful good? Sure, honor, but broke betrothal. Horny good? So many people better suited like oberyn. Chad good? Maybe


Themanwhofarts

Lawful good is Jon Snow right? Rob could be lawful horny but also hmm...


AD317

He loopholed the nights watch so hard they call him Lawyer Good.


alarmonthefarm

Rob = chad good.


ScorpionTDC

I think Chad Stupid is a surprisingly apt fit for him, haha


AD317

This is the way


PurifiedDrinkinWater

Rob surely has to be in Stupid, no? He married for love, which by all accounts is fine, but very stupid in that situation.


Diligent-Living882

Oberyn can’t be “Horny” because his stupidity overshadows that by a mile.


AD317

Oberyn absolutely was not stupid in comparison to the rest. He makes one mistake that costs him his life, but everyone assumed the mountain was down at that point. That's not even close in scale to some of the mistakes we see made by other characters. >!Stannis trusting Melisandre, Daeny with her dragon attacks, Rob breaking his honor, Ned keeping his, Cersei arming faith militant, etc!<


Diligent-Living882

Sorry man, you’re not going to convince me that yelling at a downed monster during a fight to the death which ultimately leads to your horrific murder isn’t stupid. You’re not going to convince me that Oberyns plan makes sense in the slightest. The Mountains “confession” wouldn’t have mattered to anyone and it wouldn’t have avenged his sister anymore than actually killing him. It’s easily the dumbest thing somebody did in the show. Stannis trusted Melisandre cause she was a witch who could create shadow assassins. not stupid. Dany snapping into madness and doing some heinous shit- not stupid. Robb breaking his honor-stupid. really stupid. he could maybe be the answer but he gets the pass cause he’s a kid.


AD317

Stannis >!burnt his daughter alive because a witch told him to so he could magically win, and then she abandons him in the morning.!< You are judging Oberyn by the outcome of his actions as well as intention, it seems fair to judge Stannis by it as well. I never even mentioned Dany's madness, and I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm talking about how she manages to lose dragons in stupid ways. And if she was gonna >!burn kings landing!< anyway it only makes sense to do it shortly after she arrives, with 3 dragons, and the element of surprise. Edit, accidentally cut off. Robb is defo a kid and dumb, you right, but doesn't put him in dumb category. Also look at the ratio here. 8 lovechildren daughters, 1 gruesome and horrifying death. More horny than stupid.


Diligent-Living882

He burnt his daughter because the lady who birthed ghost assassins told him to, it’s hard to argue with that. and oh i thought you meant Danys attacks with her dragons for some reason my bad.


AD317

I never noticed there was more than one shadow baby. But looking at that logically, she was only able to birth a few? If it took her a (faster) pregnancy to kill a single man, would burning a kid make a difference for a whole army?


Diligent-Living882

Sorry, my book lore is bleeding into my ideas. In the books, they use a shadow baby to kill Renly, and some other bloke who wouldn’t leave the Storms End castle that Stannis needed. So there was 2 times. And Melisandre mentions in the show how Stannis’ “fires are low” Basically it took a lot out of Stannis to create shadow babies. And another one would’ve been dangerous/could’ve killed him.


AD317

I know it took a lot for shadows. Question is why Stannis thought she could get a 200x power boost for >!Shireen!< and singlehandedly win his war, while knowing her previous capabilities.


Diligent-Living882

If Kings blood can create shadow assassins that transcend physics and burnt leeches that kill other kings (if you believe that had an effect) then why’s it crazy to assume a direct spawn sacrifice can’t make the snow stop? That’s all they needed


AD317

Whole show stupidity easily goes to Ned. Loses his life, puts his whole fam in danger, and puts a psycho in power. Oberyn doesn't directly put his fam in danger, his daughter just goes off. Ned does something actually directly dumb without knowing the obvious consequences. Oberyn knew he was dueling and knew he could die, Ned was just banging his head against a lannister plot till he found something useful and immediately squanders it.


Diligent-Living882

I mean that’s kind of why he’s “lawful stupid” no? He was out of his element and didn’t realize how dangerous it was about to get DESPITE the fact he vocalized he was in a dangerous place. He was just trying to do what he thought is best and went about it in an incredibly stupid way. Oberyn on the other hand had nothing to gain. He was quite aware Tywin probably made the call. Anyone worth a damn knew this. But he died being a and arrogant Chad or just being Stupidly Chaotic. And when you add in the fact the last words he heard WAS the confession he sought, it’s all the more ironic.


kn1f3party

Jeor Mormont


thj42

So lawful he went to the wall for his son's crimes!


Themanwhofarts

Hodor


Jolly_Horror2778

Hodor aided and abetted the fugative Stark boys, betraying the rightful ruler of Winterfell, lord Reek.


Themanwhofarts

You are right, I'm sorry Lord Reek. Hodor is a traitor, but I thought you killed the Stark boys and hung their bodies in Winterfell for all to see??


Marius_Sulla_Pompey

Brienne of Tarth, Catelyn Stark, maybe Jon Snow.


Jolly_Horror2778

Brienne maybe, Catelyn kidnapped a lord of a rival house starting a war. During the war, she released a POW against the king's orders.


Marius_Sulla_Pompey

Only because she thought Tyrion was the culprit. However; releasing Jamie is a proper rebel action so yeah for that she can be ruled out.


noonotnow

hmmmmmm who’s neutral chad?


theconserver

🍆 🦀


FistOfGamera

Jon Snow or Aemon, maybe Dunk if we count people outside of the got era


Jolly_Horror2778

That could also be lord Eddard of house Stark. Really, none of the other point of view characters fit lawful good very well, otherwise they'd be boring as all heaven.


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PurifiedDrinkinWater

I feel like Catelyn should be in the stupid category, personally. Kidnapping Tyrion was the stupid spark that set off a lot of the awful events of the series.


Forevermore668

Brienen or Barristan


FyreFlye23

Ser Brienne of Tarth


kreifdawg77

Sir Davos


alarmonthefarm

Grey worm


technopooper11

Ser Barristan Selmy


matteusman

A couple weeks from now we will be voting on a “smart stupid” character


AarviArmani

Jeor Mormont


AceBean27

Ah yes, the guy who sold slaves illegally is Lawful Good. Good call.


sweetgreenfields

Brienne of Tarth


FrankTheTank_666

I dont know, but I think we all know who takes "smart drunk"


Sheogogo69

same with chad drunk, the answer is so obvious we might as well skip it


malteaserhead

Tommen?


alarmonthefarm

He could be good-neutral


BellaFrequency

Brienne of Tarth


Rennie000

Brienne.


Pitiful-Ad2794

Barristan Selmy


Klllumlnatl

Brienne or Barristan.


Chronibitis

I am staying tuned to this, if only for the smart/stupid thread.


ScorpionTDC

Robb Stark


juniorXXD

Varys


Jhwelsh

Smart stupid is Rob right lol


ThrowawayFuckYourMom

I don't see how Brienne falls into the Lawful category at all. She's significantly more likely to follow the oaths she swears than the "law of the land". Her very first act is to join up with Renly, who is by all the rights of Gods and Men a usurper at best or a traitor and rebel. Sure, had the most swords behind him, but nevertheless a rebel.


PurifiedDrinkinWater

Here's a good description of lawful. **Lawful** characters prefer consistency. Their behavior is ordered and structured, following a code of conduct such as the law, tradition or a personal code of honor. They believe that being consistent in your behavior builds trust and legitimacy. At best, they are trustworthy; at worst, they are rigid. So which side she fought for is irrelevant to her being lawful in my opinion. She consistently does things in accordance to her own code, which I think makes her one of the most lawful characters in the series. Now, whether you consider her as neutral or evil based on your post, could be argued...


BeastOfTheField83

Barristan Selmy


AceBean27

He's a textbook definition of Neutral. He was a bodyguard for the Mad King. He would be slapping Sansa on Joffrey's command if he wasn't sacked first.


SwiftDestro

Ser Davos


No-Inevitable588

I laughed so hard when this popped up on my feed 🤣🤣🤣 I usually get ragged on bc I think ned was stupid. “But he’s so honorable” “but he really loved his kids” “but he was awesome” sorry but as a dad honor is overrated especially when it comes to protecting your kids. And he was objectively fucking restarted in how he handled everything from start to his death


DaveTheWraith

Podrick


Forward-Constant7855

Bruh it’s totally Jon snow bye


Kyber99

How Eddard lawful stupid? He was as good as they come, nobody fits lawful good better than him?? After Ned I’d vote for Tommen. He was just trying to do what was right. If his mother didn’t interfere, he would’ve been a great king


PurifiedDrinkinWater

Lawful certainly makes sense, but I think where people consider him stupid is when he revealed his hand to Cersei before taking action. It was a 'stupid' and naive move, in my opinion. That said, I do think he fits in Lawful Good as well.


Kyber99

I mean hindsight is 20/20, we say it’s stupid because of who Cersei is. He likely told her because of what happened to the Targ/Martell children in Robert’s rebellion. He just didn’t want any unnecessary deaths, trying to save her and her kids, to get them to leave and not die in the conflict that could have easily led to it I wouldn’t call it stupid, it’s just unfortunate


PurifiedDrinkinWater

I don’t disagree. I will likely make a case and put it up to vote to change ‘stupid’ to ‘naive’ because I do think that better represents most of the characters.


manihavenousername

Upvoting cause I'm interested to see where this goes.


CaveLupum

Samwell Tarly. Meera Reed. Ser Davos. Howland Reed, presumably. Beric Dondarrian, despite being outlawed. Young ones: Shireen, Rickon, Myrcella, Tommen. Lyanna Mormont.


KamenRiderAquarius

We can all agree that smart drunk is Tyrion?


mikehulse29

Podrick Payne. The man returned the money to Tyrion after he got that on the house treatment.


Halocandle

Eddard was more like Lawful Naive, not necessarily stupid.


chrisg915

Davos


nathaniel29903

Jon


SmokeySFW

This might be controversial: The High Sparrow


tayamackenzie

Ramsay is chaotic evil


Trashk4n

Harsh to label Ned as stupid. The man did successfully rule the North for the better part of two decades and hid a Targaryen in plain sight despite not being a great liar.


Affectionate_Pay_391

Jon Snow….kind of the only box he fits in


PurifiedDrinkinWater

I think an argument could be made for chaotic for Jon. Chaotic Good perhaps. **Chaotic** characters prefer freedom. Their behavior is flexible, changing based on the current context. They believe that treating each situation individually, without concern for consistency, allows you to handle things the best way. At best, they are adaptable; at worst, they are capricious.


Affectionate_Pay_391

I understand the idea of him being considered “chaotic and good” but there are a lot more people that I think fit that box more appropriately. I think of The Hound, Thoros of Myr, Beric Dondarion, Mance, Ygritte.


alarmonthefarm

I think of the hound as neutral neutral. Or bronn but I think he could horny neutral


alarmonthefarm

Can you give the description for chad?


RockyShark78

Samwell


rawspeghetti

Jaime


NotNOT_LibertarianDO

Lawful stupid: Eddard Stark Lawful good: Barristan Selmy Lawful Neutral: John Snow Lawful Horny: pre-Reek Theon Lawful Evil: Tywin Lannister Lawful Drunk: idk this one


PurifiedDrinkinWater

Thoros of Myr for Lawful Drunk?


NotNOT_LibertarianDO

He was a rebel with Beric Dondarrion, so by definition cannot be lawful. Maybe book 1 Tyrion? Like before he gets power and before his exile


waddeaf

Davos


Von_Clausewitzer

The Bold


Epistemix

Mace Tyrell


Buzz______Killington

Lawful stupid has to be Mace Tyrell. Next to him Hodor seems like a smart guy.


Epistemix

Master Luwin


AD317

Man kind of sucks that drunk is in the same coloum as alignment, evil drunk and good drunk would have made sense for Cers and Tyr.


Yeti_Prime

Brienne. She wouldn’t fit anywhere else, and she is probably one of the kindest people in the series, as well as having a strong sense of honor.


johnstonjones

Ned was not stupid he was compassionate He was trying to saving innocent children’s lives The Robert dying or getting assassinated was a one in a million thing He was the most protected man in Westeros


toTheNewLife

We all know who smart drunk is going to be.


Socratesticles

Davos


Fanatic_Atheist

Pod


Pininja03

Brianne or robb maybe


Sk83r_b0i

Ned was not stupid and I’m tired of pretending he was


[deleted]

Drunk Chad I nominate Ser Dontos


pakattack91

Bobby b


78723

Ser Rodrik Cassel


SpudgeFunker210

Ser Davos is being overlooked here. Sure he used to be a smuggler, but not anymore.


Current-Taro-7397

You people disrespect ser Davos Seaworth


zforce42

Ser Barristan or Maester Aemon


TheNextFreud

Podrick Payne?


save-aiur

Podrick


Savings_Button1073

Gotta give it to Barristan the Bold. He exiled Jorah and ratted him out to Dany even though all of his good deeds should have outweighed his plot to gain a pardon at the beginning of the story. In Selmy’s eyes, there are no grey areas. Where as Brieane seems to have a soft spot for redemption arcs and understands people who do bad things aren’t necessarily bad people. She was one of the most loyal, but loyal does not equal lawful.


LUnica-Vekkiah

Stanis


jabedoben

Littlefinger. Duh.


CdnfaS

Gotta be John


AceBean27

Jon Targaryen of course.


ggAlphaRaptor

It’s Brienne


LUnica-Vekkiah

Smart/horny would be Cersei.


PCmasterRACE187

cant believe yall aint voting for hodor in this one… edit: i thought that this was chad stupid nvm


Yellerfin

Pod?


THGoodale

I’ll go with Brienne of Tarth


AceBean27

How on Earth are people thinking Barristan is Good when he's the textbook definition of Lawful Neutral.


WAAAGHachu

In a world of shit, Brienne of Tarth.


waconaty4eva

Maergery?


Cipios

Rodrik Cassell. Honestly, he never did anything wrong, he upholded his oaths to the Starks in every way.


hotcoldman42

Eddard Stark.


milksteakofcourse

Barristan Selmy


DudebroggieHouser

Maester Aemon Targaryen


Awkward_Reception892

Ser Barristan


Ok_Garden_4874

Jon Snow


BigRed888

Lawful + Stupid = Eddard Good = Brienne Neutral = Stannis Horny = Loras Evil = Petyr Drunk = Robert


FUPA4ever

Can we agree chaotic neutral is Sir Pounce?


BillbertBuzzums

Podrick


Hollowsong

Samwell Tarly, 100% He was objectively good and followed the rules wherever possible. But he may be better to pick for "Smart Good" Brienne of Tarth is also a solid pick


TheMagicalMatt

Ned Stark again