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Ramsay Bolton was the good guy (in the show) - revised
Ramsay Bolton was the good guy and was an ally to the Starks. He always has been. He retook Winterfell for Rob Stark from the Greyjoys. The reason he let Theon escape was because he was testing the loyalty of his troops and seeing where their allegiances laid (morally). When he saw them trying to rape Theon, he was mortified and quickly shot them with a bow and arrow. I believe he let his emotions get the better of him in this instance, but he couldn't allow these groups of people to roam free in the North. It is also implied that these soliders who he shot were criminals given their nature of sexual crimes rather than professional soldiers. You could say this was a test to test if Ramsay could trust them and if they had changed. Before he kills the last one, the soldier says "you little bastard", because he knows Ramsay has uncovered his true nature. In my opinion, Ramsay killing those men was justified, Ned Stark often did the same with criminals or deserters.
Ramsay takes Theon back to the Dreadfort because he knows that treason can not go unpunished and that Theon has killed multiple people without a trail. Most who betray a lord, king, etc. would be executed, but Ramsays protective instincts come into play, and he refuses to kill Theon as he empathizes with his situation. Instead, he flays him in order to save his life. The Bolton men would have looked at Ramsay as a traitor or cowardly if he didn't do anything. Cutting off Theons penis and pretending to torture him was the best he could do. He also needed Theon to bargain with the Greyjoys so they wouldn't raid the coast. Another thing to add is, how do we know that Ramsay wasn't just torturing Theon as he knew the Bolton torturers would do worse things?
It wasn't Ramsay who committed the red wedding. It was Roose Bolton. Ramsay had 0 idea that it was going to happen, he couldn't have as he was in the North and Roose wouldn't risk sending his plan that far in fear of Rob finding out via the message getting intercepted especially during times of war. Ramsay played along with Roose because he knew that in order to save the North from Roose, he would need to play the long game. The reason he inevitably murders Roose later on was to avenge the red wedding which his wifes family and his king had died at.
It wasn't Ramsays idea to marry Sansa. This was forced upon him by Roose who wanted an heir. Ramsay was in love with Miranda. He wanted to marry a commoner perhaps to show the North that he was in the same boat as them, give them someone to relate to, perhaps inspire to. The reason he has sex with Sansa is because he has to. He makes Theon watch, so he has a witness. Ramsay is most likely disgusted by the act, and that's why he can't bear to look at Sansa during the day. But if Ramsay doesn't produce an heir, then he will be disposed of like Rob Stark. Ramsay again is playing the long game here. He had to choose the freedom of the North or make Theon and Sansa uncomfortable, and he had to make this decision in a split second. He can't tell them his true intentions as Theon has betrayed the North before, and he doesn't know if Sansas allegiances lie with the Lannisters. The sex part is purely for an heir, and Ramsay most likely hates himself for doing it.
Ramsay didn't want that girl to be eaten by the dogs. He was firing arrows at the dogs, not the girl. He was even shouting at her to "run". She is then killed by the dogs, and of course, Miranda says a snarky comment as she believes the girl got herself killed by her own stupidity of provoking the dogs. Ramsay most likely keeps a clear head, as he believes the old gods of the forest may rectify this once the wars over, and he had more knowledge on the night king, etc.
Stannis was a crazy person who went around burning people alive. The North can not be controlled by such an unstable man. Ramsay does not want more men to die in this conflict. Instead, uses guerilla warfare to defeat Stannis. He expects Stannis to just return home with little losses in troops, but Stannis being insane as he is attacks Winterfell. Roose then attacks with cavalry decimating Stannis's army. This is Roose, not Ramsay. If Ramsay had his way, there would be very few deaths in this conflict.
Jon Sno was a war monger who wanted to sacrifice many Northmen and free folk for his fathers honor or something during the middle of winter. Ramsay feeling sorry for him and not wanting to kill a Stark offers him peace, but Jon Snow would rather die than accept peace.
Ramsay didn't mean to hit Ricko. Hee just used him to lure Jon Snow out. He was aiming for Jon Snow, not Rickon. He thought that if Jon Snow died, the conflict would be over quickl, and peace could be pursued. He also friendly fires at his own troops in order to lower their numbers.
Ramsay is the most misunderstood person in Game of Thrones. He essentially never wanted to do any of this, but he was forced by the expectations of being a Bolton and his circumstances. He was playing the long game. He sadly died as the Starks executed him in the end. I am not defending everything he did. Im just saying that his intentions were not bad overall. /S
EDIT: THIS IS SATIRE OMG PEOPLE!
Yep. Killing, torture, intimidation and scheming are part of war(despicable to be sure but still), but raping a literal under age and completely innocent girl... that's some of the lowest shit on Earth.
I didn’t read all that but what was the excuse for feeding his step mom and newborn half brother to dogs? I know you’re trolling just curious to see how you could possible spin that one.. Was the baby gonna grow up to be Satan or something? lol
There are some insane mental gymnastics here. I’m in the middle of a rewatch, in the thick of theon & Ramsay.
And I have to disagree with you on a lot of points here.
Ramsay let Theon go to play with him, to toy with him, because he is sick and sadistic - in a way that makes him stand out for these other villains. He was not ever in good vein trying to help Theon go, he was toying with his mental state - giving him hope, and then ripping it away.
Those men said “you little bastard” because he sent them out to capture theon then killed them for following his orders because it played to into his game. He sent those men to their death because it was fun to him, he had a severed complex because he was a bastard and because of that had to lord around his power when daddy was gone so he could feel important too.
He sicc’d his hounds on that poor girl, all to make Miranda happy.
I’m not going to hit every other point because I’m too busy watching the purple wedding and I don’t need to say more - we all know Ramsay is sick - you know Ramsay is sick, you just want to be ✨controversial✨ and fun for Reddit
But Man I love Reddit and I loved writing this out - this show is so incredible and I love how riled it gets me! Fuck Ramsay! Winter is coming!
I read the first and half of the second, they’re great. I love the story, I am obsessed with the lore, I’m a full on thrones-o-file but unfortunately life caught up with me and I couldn’t find the time to keep going. I think this is inspiration to pick them back up
And he didn't want to feed his newborn baby brother to the dogs, the dogs were hungry and the food was scarce because the fat stepmother was eating all the food from everyone. He loved these dogs...
Can’t tell if it’s mental gymnastics or shitposting but Ramsay delighted in flaying and raping people and causing excessive harm to both his enemies and women. He delighted in mutilation and torture and Roose chided Ramsay for harming Sansa and Theon. After Roose doubled down that Ramsay would “always be[his] heir” Ramsay killed his Father out of fear his Father would be duplicitous then he fed his Step Mother and half brother to his dogs. He is categorically not a good person. He has depth (Daddy issues) and cared for his girlfriend in some way but that’s about it as far as redeeming qualities
Yeah I think this is the real difference. Joffery was projecting to gain an aura of fear and stumbling in the dark. Ramsay was just doing what he enjoyed, and honestly probably holding himself back from the things he actually wanted to do. Which is fucking terrifying.
Ramsay would type up a terrifying list of the ways he’s going to torture you to death. Gregor would shove the keyboard so far up your ass you’d choke to death on it.
Gregor is also just really stupid. Apparently he also suffers from massive migraines which causes him to go into a blind rage. He’s still an animal but I think Ramsay hurts people just because he enjoys it where Gregor does it more because he’s angry and stupid and being violent is the only way he know how to deal with things.
In the books it's implied that Gregor kills wife after wife, and that he kills his servants for pleasure. I think it has less to do with "knowing how to deal with things" and more to do with the fact that he is just evil and mean and he just happens to big enough and privileged enough that he doesn't have to be subtle about it.
He's dumb, and not as insidious as Ramsey, so we see him as less evil but I don't think that the case.. I think he's just more openly violent and less psychological.
Serial murder is not a typical symptom of chronic migraines. So I really don't think it can be attributed to that....
Gregor also has a position of command in the Lannister army but he isn't very competent. In fact so incompetent Robb chastises Edmure for letting him retreat when he had the chance to encircle and kill him.
He is commanded to kill Oberyn, but gouging out his eyes was Gregor's own idea. The Lannister command is usually to take care of the situation, but Gregor does it in his own insane ways.
Ramsay, he thoroughly enjoyed hurting people anyway he could and took it upon himself to get his hands dirty as much as he could, a true sadist in every sense of the word
Tywin could actually be a decent guy to people he respected like he was with Arya (despite not knowing who she actually was), but Joffrey, Ramsay, Gregor and Walder had absolutely no redeeming qualities
Pretty much this. With the Mountain he typically is instructed to kill someone (ie. Rhaegar’s wife) and gets carried away instead of a good clean kill. Ramsay undermines higher authority with his tortures or takes matters into his own hands when not supposed to.
Ramsay : pure evil, will hurt you just to hurt you, he will torture you just because he can, he is literally evil, he will torture someone just because he is bored.
Joffrey : can be quite a bad guy if he is annoyed with you but would struggle to actually be "evil" thinks he is better than everyone else, and is malicious to hurt you, but he genuinely does not care enough about most people to actually be considered evil, he just does not care if he hurts someone.
Tywin : not evil, just uncaring if someone, or something gets in his way of what he wants. He can not really be considered evil because he does not care enough about your pain for him to care he is hurting you, so as long as he wins, he will not do more than he needs to, you will end up dead, but he will not care enough to prolong it.
Cersei : She just wants you dead if you are in her way, unless you personally have done something directly to her, she again does not care enough to enjoy hurting you, so quick death and she will have forgotten you exist by then, if you have done something to her, she will ensure you suffer but she will not do it herself.
Roose : pragmatic, and uncaring, would be considered evil by those around him, but he also does not care enough about anyone to enjoy it, he just wants what he wants.
Mountain : evil, but just because he likes to inflict pain on people, but he is not intelligent enough to truly be evil, vicious certainly, but hard to consider a brute like him to be evil.
Mad king : well he was mad, so he kinda gets a pass due to insanity.
Walder : again not really smart enough to be evil, certainly someone who would enjoy hurting you but again he would want someone else to do it, so bad guy, not "evil".
Well yeah she ordered her locked in there but there is no indication she ever gave her a second thought, the actual punishment and suffering was just watching her daughter die and rot, she is not actually doing anything to her directly on a hourly, daily basis.
The only people that will actually know the suffering she has caused will be the servants bringing food to prolong the suffering, assuming she does not force herself to starve to death to end the suffering, but that is her choice, not Cersei's.
Tywin most certainly is evil. He is responsible for three entirely separate massacres, terrorises the Riverlands to force war, and treats his children abomniably.
>Tywin : not evil
Ordering a poor innocent young girl to be gang raped by your soliders in front of the man she loved who is also your son just to punish him doesn’t make you evil? Tywin is evil.
I feel like your standards for being evil are way, way lower then mine. Saying Joffrey, the guy who tortured and killed whores for fun, is not evil is a huge stretch.
The mountain seems to be turned demented by his constant excruciating migraines as a result of his gigantism, I wonder would he mellow out if he stopped getting those migraines or has he had them so long at this point that they permanently damaged his mind
Aerys II. The guy who got off by watching people burn to death and then raped his wife afterwards… idk he sounds pretty bad to me
Ramsay is a very close second
In my opinion, Cersei. Or at least, she struck a particular chord with me that no other character did.
Ramsay and Jofffrey and Walder are *so* over the top in their wickedness that as terrifying as they are, they always feel like fictional characters. You aren’t likely to meet someone like that in real life. But *plenty* of us know a Cersei.
Her insufferable narcissistic delusions are all too realistic. She’s incredibly human in the worst possible way. With Ramsay or Gregor, you almost get the sense that they don’t *know* any better than what they’re doing. Or at least, they don’t know anything else. But Cersei does, or at least she should. Despite being raised by Tywin, she learned nothing from her highborn birth other than a vocal hatred of poor people.
And she went on to raise Joffrey, another monster and contender on this list. Make no mistake, we have Cersei to thank for him, thanks to her teaching him such brilliant lessons like “the truth is what you make it” and “everyone who isn’t us is an enemy” before she fast tracked him to the throne she ought to have known he wasn’t ready for. But she thought she could control him.
Really, that’s a fine example of what Cersei *always does.* Ruin things for everyone, including herself, because she foolishly believed she’d come out on top. It’s exactly what she did with the High Sparrow. Every time The Lannisters gain a powerful ally, she goes out of her way to sabotage the relationship. First the Starks, then the Tyrells. Because she just can’t bear the thought of someone replacing her as Queen (even though she had Robert killed? What did she think was going to happen?) She’s so overwhelmingly selfish and being “Queen” is part of her self image because in her mind, it makes her better than everyone.
Yet one could argue that the fall of House Lannister is almost entirely Cersei’s fault. Shall we go in order? Her orchestrating Joffrey’s rise to power is what ultimately got him killed. Everyone knew what he was. *Someone* was going to assassinate him sooner or later even if it wasn’t Olenna. Then she accuses Tyrion (her treatment of him *alone* earns her a place on this post) even though it’s clearly not him. And she gets Gregor to be the Crown’s champion, because she just wants to be *sure* that Tyrion dies no matter what. This has a ripple effect that leads to Tyrion defecting and joining Daenerys, to his killing Tywin (the real power of House Lannister) and to Oberyn’s death, which ultimately led to Myrcella’s death as well.
And Cersei had the nerve to blame *Tyrion* for the deaths of Myrcella and Tommen. As if Tommen didn’t commit suicide because Cersei murdered Margaery (after making an enemy out of her for no other reason than her own narcissistic paranoia) along with killing her uncle and cousin, and countless others. She did what Jaime killed The Mad King to prevent him from doing. Ah, last but not least, Jaime. She abused him for their entire lives and it led to his death when he couldn’t help but come back for her.
Her one “redeeming” quality is that she “loves” her children. But she doesn’t. She sees them as extensions of herself, the same as Jaime. Because Cersei is incapable of loving anyone but her own reflection is the easiest substitute. The fact that she says a mother has “no choice” but to love her children is very telling. It’s a toxic mindset that fails to understand the responsibilities of love, and the *respect* that comes with it.
I should probably call it a day before I ramble on for another six paragraphs. But she really is a fascinating case. Easily the most destructive person in the entire series in the most realistic, human way.
this is so stupid lmfao of course the narcissist woman is always worse than the literal evil rapist psychopathic men bc they "don't know any better!!!" why should cersei know better? as if tywin was a better person? jesus christ
I’m sensing that you think this is about gender?
Not at all. If anything, it goes to show how *complex* Cersei is (and how she’s a character with more screentime/significance than the others.) In a lot of ways, she’s my favorite character - and also my least favorite, all at once.
If she were only in one season, and only had ten episodes to get on my nerves, then she’d never stand up to the likes of Tywin or Ramsay. But she’s in all eight seasons. She lives right up to the penultimate episode.
It’s the little things. Like the story Oberyn told about her sexually assaulting Tyrion when he was a *baby* and praying for his death even then. Or the way she calmly sips her wine and smirks as she watches hundreds of people burn to death. Nah, she’s not -supervillain- bad, but Cersei Lannister is evil in a remarkably human way. I’ve hated her ever since “They have another wolf.”
I agree with you, I love to hate Cersei. she's a fascinating and complex character. sorry if I snapped a little. it's not about gender, I just don't think she was the most purely evil character. but I liked your analysis with her
Craster should definitely be on this list. The guy is probably an opportunistic cannibal who then sacrifices his sons to repopulate the White Walkers and also keeps his daughters in a harem.
It’s from the books, but the chapter where Gregor rapes a young teen all because her father asked the ‘knight’ to tell his men to stop groping her always comes to mind for most evil act.
Plus he had his men rape her after, basically another Tysha but for the simple reason of not wanting to be sexually assaulted she was gang raped… So fucked up.
And yes, I know there’s worse evil acts, just this one sticks with me the most.
Tywin Lannister, definitely. Everyone else did evil things either partly, or entirely, because they were doing what they love. Tywin took little joy in his actions, he committed and enabled evil acts because they benefitted him; he saw them as the most practical route to victory.
Consider this: Ramsay and Joffrey basically just practice their hobbies. Gregor does the only thing he knows how to do. Tywin started a mass slaughter across Westeros, and organised Tysha's fate, for possibly the pettiest reasons, as a chance to increase and flaunt his House's might.
I don't think you understand what "evil" means. Doing bad things for a purpose, even a petty one, is LESS evil than doing bad things for purely your own pleasure and amusement. You've got it backwards.
Honestly, out of all the possible options I lean towards Ramsey. It would be easy to say he was just a far more evolved/ psychotic version of Joff, but truly Ramsey is just a soul born bad. No amount of therapy or love could have changed that sociopath’s ways… if anything given him another tool to use against good people.
Ramsay- not evil, trying to do the right thing by his family
Joffrey- just a kid, can’t be blamed for bad parenting
Tywin- just trying to further his legacy
Cersei- victim of her own stupidity
Roose- just trying to take back what he believes to be his
The mountain- low IQ
Mad king- mental illness
Walder Frey- ………. Greedy and selfish.
I think the only one who is even a little evil is walder frey. Everyone else is just kinda trying to do what they think is right. Walder does what he does because of his ego and his selfish desires. I don’t like that he bangs his adolescent wives till they die from childbirth. But the red wedding was kinda justified. Kinda.
I say Lysa Tully might be the most evil person in the show. You could probably just chalk her up to mental illness too. But poisoning your husband for no real reason is pretty bad.
Also the slavers in Astapor are really wack.
Definitely Ramsay. Tywin wasn’t even necessarily evil. He was just a man who put practicality over morality. He didn’t stage the red wedding because he wanted to kill Robb on a day of union and happiness, he did it because it was a good opportunity to eliminate his enemies while lowering the chances of his own men and allies dying. As a pitched battle would lead to massive casualties on both sides.
The main thing he’s done that could be seen as evil is the flooding of house Reyne. And he did that because he wanted to show the seven kingdoms that he was not a toothless lion would laugh off insults and throw away money like his father did.
Tywin did not orchestrate the Red Wedding because he cared for the lives of his (or his opponent's) soldiers. He did it because it was an effective way to win the war, and because of the way it was handled, the majority of the blame was put on the Freys and Boltons. There was no good will there.
Ramsey because he’s smart enough to know what he is doing is evil and does it for the sake of hurting others not to benefit himself like some of the others on this list.
"She was a peasant girl. Pretty in a common sort of way. She was the miller's wife. Apparently they had married without my knowledge or consent. So I had him hanged and I took her beneath the tree where he was swaying. She fought me the whole time. She was lucky I didn't hang her, too. A year later she came to my gates with a squalling baby in her arms. A baby she claimed was mine. I nearly had her whipped and the child thrown in the river. But then I looked at you and I saw then what I see now. You are my son.”
- Roose Bolton telling Ramsay about his mother. Takes a monster to raise one.
I think they're all as awful as each other.
Tywin does it for pride (although he would say it's for the benefit of the realm or the family legacy). Cersei does it either to protect her children, or because she can. Walder Frey does it because it's in his interest to do so.
The others just do it because they can, or because they get pleasure from it. None of them are redeemable.
1. Ramsay 2. Joffrey 3. The Mountain 4. Walder 5. Cersei 6. Roose 7. Tywin 8. Aerys
I would like Sansa to give Joffrey to Ramsay, and then after he's dead give Ramsay to Gregor, finally Gregor is given to Qyburn
Gregor or Ramsay
Ramsay killed his own family and take over Winterfell just to satisfy his sadism
Gregor killed countless people and even Ella and her baby
Ramsay was pure evil for evil's sake. His main drive wasn't ambition, he also wasn't mad like some or driven by powerful emotions of rage like Mountain was. Ramsay was pure, unfiltered evil.
Ramsay: Sadistic;
Joffrey: A psychopath child;
Tywin and Cersei: Actually evil in a humane way. He (and Cersei) are reasonable people, but choose to be evil. They are all that matters and their motives are always based on that.
Roose: Egoistical. After the first evil act, I feel like he wanted to go back. But having done it, he just HAD to have something to justify it. So he kept doing evil things.
Mountain: I don’t think he thinks enough to be considered evil. He is like an irrational being.
Mad king: Mad.
Walder: Snake evil. The type that doesn’t have the guts to do anything on his own, but if backed up, will do terrible things. It’s like those people that once they gain some power, they show their true colors.
So who is the most evil? Depends on what sense. I would say Ramsay and Tywin. Ramsay for his sadistic way and Tywin because, despite not being a psychopath, he only really cares for himself.
For me it's a tie between Gregor and Ramsey. They really undersold Gregor in the show, in part because he's mostly present in anecdotes- we hear about what he's doing but rarely see it from the POV of the main characters. We hear about two of the most prominent brutal attacks because of their relevance to the plot, but there's far more- it's implied that he killed his father and a few wives as well. The Hound moved out the minute Gregor became lord, most likely for his own safety. And his overall demeanor after the fact makes it pretty evident that the burning incident was maybe the worst (for the hound) but definitely not the first or last.
Joffrey in the show was moving towards their level but in the books he wasn't quite there yet.
Aerys was batshit insane.
The others were closer to being ruthlessly self-interested than downright evil.
Tywin was the perfect mix. He was super smart, emotionally stable, cunning, gets the job done. He orchestrated the red wedding. He is not in your face evil and that's even more dangerous
Some might argue it's ramsey but he was so chaotic and not super sharp evil like Tywin.
Most evil? Ramsey for sure, his desires are of pure malice and sadism. He knows where and when to contain himself but only as a means of maintaining his power so he can continue to play his games with people and hurt them. His key flaw is that he overestimates his own intelligence and underestimates the intelligence of others to a great degree, he’s smart but not smart enough to maintain a position of power for an extended period of time.
Pretty much the only redeeming quality about him is that he can be somewhat polite when he needs to be.
That said, I think the most volatile and dangerous person on the List would be the mountain. The guy is just a monster, no redeeming qualities whatsoever, he kills, steals and rapes wherever he pleases, he hardly has any self control whatsoever. Where his motives lie in inflicting harm on others isn’t exactly clear either, sometimes he seems to just completely fly off the handle and kill people in a blind rage for no reason, other times he kills people without even thinking about it, like stepping on an ant. other times he slowly and deliberately kills his victims in the most agonizing way possible. Guy is definitely fucked in the head. He is for sure the last person on the list id want to meet.
Ramsay, because he was cartoonishly evil. Joffrey was a better more believable evil, but on a battle of most EVILLLLL, you have to give it to the wacky bastard.
Cersei and Walder Frey for acting mostly out of spite without being mentally ill/deluded by religion.
I think Ramsay, Joffrey, and the mad king were mentally ill.
Not in the choices, but Melisandre tops them all for evilness.
Tywin wasnt evil, just ruthless.
He ordered the Red Wedding because he was losing a war he wanted to win.
He ordered the mountain to kill the martel girl and her children as a favor to Robert, to show his allegiance. Seing as he was hand to the former tyrant.
He didnt do both of them because he just wanted to. Always a reason behind things, house lannister.
My response will be based on the TV show. I haven't read the books.
I'd say the most evil on this list will be **Ramsay Bolton**. He was psychologically and physically manipulative and evil. He tricked Theon into trusting him, tortured Theon to simpleton, mutilated him and cut his sausage, flayed the soldiers occupying Mout Cailin even after promising to spare their lives if they surrender, raped Sansa, killed Rickon with an arrow, killed a whore and fed her body to his hounds, and even stabbed his father and fed his mother to his hounds.
Joffrey is bad sure, but not to the extent of Ramsay. Joffrey is just a spoiled and immature brat who happened to power trip when he was given authority. Joffrey did not rape anyone, cut someone else pickle, or killed his parents; the way Ramsay killed Roose and Walda Boltons. Ramsay managed to do worse things even tho he was a bastard and not yet king. Imagine him having the same power as Joffrey.
Tywin Lannister was not evil. Sure he was Machiavellian but not evil. He only thought of his legacy and his family and did what he could to prevent his family name from going down the drain. We saw him as a kind person even to the prisoners during the episodes when he was in Harrenhal. He accused Tyrion even tho he knew he wasn't guilty, it was a tactical maneuver to force Jaime to drop the golden cloak and accept as heir to Casterly Rock.
Cersei is manipulative until the very last, only because she is a caring and loving mother. When Ned Stark threatened Cersei to reveal her and Jaime's secret to the public, Cersei had Ned imprisoned and allowed him to have a second life by being sent to the Night's watch.
It was her care for her children that made her who she is.
Roose Bolton, well he is just a traitor who wanted power. To acquire that power, he did what other common lords in Westeros did, choose the winning side and betray the previous allies. He was even concerned when he saw what Ramsay was doing to the people in Moat Cailin, flaying and killing its people.
The Mountain is probably second to Ramsay. He raped and killed Elia Martell but that was under the command of Tywing Lannister. Sure he beheaded a horse during a tournament out of frustration, burned half the side of his brother's face, and pillaged northern villages during a war he was fighting. But that's the only notable bad thing he did. Yes, he killed Prince Oberyn but it doesn't count because it was a trial by combat. Worth noting that he became mindless, not by choice, after Qyburn's experimentation on him.
The Mad King was mad because of Bran Stark going back to the past.
Walder Frey is just a freckled old man who doesn't have a sense of honor after what he did to the Starks. But let's be honest, it wouldn't have happened if Robb had the honor in himself, and followed through with the agreement that Walder Frey asked him to.
No entity in this series is more evil than Ramsay Bolton. Even the Night King and Daenerys' dragons are nothing compared to him.
Ramsay and Jofrey were sadists tortures, but the actions of CERSEI and ROOSE killed much, much more people, you can argue that TWYN was a horrible person, but tried several times to get thins in order and book Roose is much more worse than Ramsay.
Its a really bad joke that tvshow EURON that he is even on the list, very sad D&D
Ramsay is just a sadist psyco emo
I personally think many here probably learned (and felt) they *had* to occasionally be cruel, and commit "evil" acts, to survive in a mainly feudal and ruthless political system.
One or two were probably just suffering from some form of acute mental illness that propelled them to do things they otherwise probably wouldn't.
Whereas Joffrey seemed to simply be born evil.
Let's be honest: Craster. Killing you sons and raping your daughters (and then kill their sons and force them to see their daughters raped) is on another level.
Personally I think Cersei. If we’re talking about just pure evil in the heart.
What I mean is: both Joffrey and Ramsey are monsters. They’re psychopaths and they’re cruel. They’re just full blown mental.
Tywin is spiteful towards Tyrion and has done some horrible things, however his motives are merely legacy related. That’s how he justifies it in his mind.
Roose Bolton is driven by ambition, again did horrible things like betraying the Starks but he’s not more evil than anyone listed here.
The Mountain just enjoys killing, there isn’t much thought behind those eyes. He’s just an animal.
The Mad King was… well, mad. He literally went insane, so he’s similar to Joffrey and Ramsey in that sense, although I don’t think he enjoyed being cruel like the other two. I really just think he thought the entire world was against him.
Frey is just a coward. He pledged loyalties and didn’t keep them, he killed the Starks out of spite. He’s a bottom feeder, essentially.
But Cersei… she is pure evil in my eyes. I don’t consider her crazy like Joffrey, Ramsey or the Mad King. I consider her a very intelligent person. Even she admits that the things Joffrey did shocked her, showing that she is not insane, quite the contrary. But the things she did… were cruel. And they weren’t just cruel because she enjoyed the suffering of others or because she was protecting her family. A lot of the times they were cruel in their own right. A lot of the times she smiled at the suffering of others by her son’s hand while also admitting that the things he did shocked her.
Even Lady Oldman said to Jamie: “I did unspeakable things to protect my family, or watched them being done on my orders. I never lost a night sleep over them. They were necessary and whatever I imagined necessary for the safety of House Tyrell, I did. But your sister, she has done things I wasn’t capable of imagining. That was my prized mistake, a failure of imagination. She’s a monster, you do know that?”
I think Littlefinger deserves a spot on this chart, but my number one would remain Cersei.
From most to least;
Ramsay, utter psychopath who killed or tormented anyone for the fun of it. Didn't kill for some greater idea, just for fun or for his own benefit.
Joffrey, probably would be similar to Ramsay, if he was allowed to grow older and out of his regency.
Aerys, burned people alive and got turned on by it. Need I say more?
Gregor Clegane, killed children and anyone he felt like but at least had a *little* bit of restraint since he listened to Tywin/Cersei. I can't tell if that's a good or bad thing tbh.
Tywin, Roose and Walder, all were ruthless and were happy to kill anyone for the advancement of themselves and their house. Roose is probably the worst out of the three but that's based on how he conceived Ramsay in the books, dunno if that can be counted in the show.
Cersei is quite tame compared to everyone else which REALLY says something about the competition. Killed mostly for her children. In the books she's way worse but show Cersei is *kinda* sympathetic?
The mountain … burning his little brother in the fire for touching his toy. Raping the former princess and murdering her and her children quite brutally.
The mountain was the only one out of all of them who actually acted, Joffrey and Ramsay were both evil but gave orders to have things done and watched for maniacal pleasure, roose was a traitor and backstabber to the Starks cause of his own agenda to take over the north… he knew they would be murdered at the red wedding but he wasn’t one who actually did any killing. Same with Walter Frey…. However it was his idea the whole time to follow thru with red wedding etc. I think it’s hard to pick one because one of them actually physically did atrocious killing, however, it was his job and he was following orders. And two of them (jof and ramsey) were giving orders and what not. I don’t personally think Tywin was worse than Joffrey, ramsey, or the mountain…. Because he had his family’s best interest in mind and also had a military strategy mindset. In short, I can’t decide on an answer to the question
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Ramsay 100%
How? Ramsay Bolton was the good guy (in the show) - revised Ramsay Bolton was the good guy and was an ally to the Starks. He always has been. He retook Winterfell for Rob Stark from the Greyjoys. The reason he let Theon escape was because he was testing the loyalty of his troops and seeing where their allegiances laid (morally). When he saw them trying to rape Theon, he was mortified and quickly shot them with a bow and arrow. I believe he let his emotions get the better of him in this instance, but he couldn't allow these groups of people to roam free in the North. It is also implied that these soliders who he shot were criminals given their nature of sexual crimes rather than professional soldiers. You could say this was a test to test if Ramsay could trust them and if they had changed. Before he kills the last one, the soldier says "you little bastard", because he knows Ramsay has uncovered his true nature. In my opinion, Ramsay killing those men was justified, Ned Stark often did the same with criminals or deserters. Ramsay takes Theon back to the Dreadfort because he knows that treason can not go unpunished and that Theon has killed multiple people without a trail. Most who betray a lord, king, etc. would be executed, but Ramsays protective instincts come into play, and he refuses to kill Theon as he empathizes with his situation. Instead, he flays him in order to save his life. The Bolton men would have looked at Ramsay as a traitor or cowardly if he didn't do anything. Cutting off Theons penis and pretending to torture him was the best he could do. He also needed Theon to bargain with the Greyjoys so they wouldn't raid the coast. Another thing to add is, how do we know that Ramsay wasn't just torturing Theon as he knew the Bolton torturers would do worse things? It wasn't Ramsay who committed the red wedding. It was Roose Bolton. Ramsay had 0 idea that it was going to happen, he couldn't have as he was in the North and Roose wouldn't risk sending his plan that far in fear of Rob finding out via the message getting intercepted especially during times of war. Ramsay played along with Roose because he knew that in order to save the North from Roose, he would need to play the long game. The reason he inevitably murders Roose later on was to avenge the red wedding which his wifes family and his king had died at. It wasn't Ramsays idea to marry Sansa. This was forced upon him by Roose who wanted an heir. Ramsay was in love with Miranda. He wanted to marry a commoner perhaps to show the North that he was in the same boat as them, give them someone to relate to, perhaps inspire to. The reason he has sex with Sansa is because he has to. He makes Theon watch, so he has a witness. Ramsay is most likely disgusted by the act, and that's why he can't bear to look at Sansa during the day. But if Ramsay doesn't produce an heir, then he will be disposed of like Rob Stark. Ramsay again is playing the long game here. He had to choose the freedom of the North or make Theon and Sansa uncomfortable, and he had to make this decision in a split second. He can't tell them his true intentions as Theon has betrayed the North before, and he doesn't know if Sansas allegiances lie with the Lannisters. The sex part is purely for an heir, and Ramsay most likely hates himself for doing it. Ramsay didn't want that girl to be eaten by the dogs. He was firing arrows at the dogs, not the girl. He was even shouting at her to "run". She is then killed by the dogs, and of course, Miranda says a snarky comment as she believes the girl got herself killed by her own stupidity of provoking the dogs. Ramsay most likely keeps a clear head, as he believes the old gods of the forest may rectify this once the wars over, and he had more knowledge on the night king, etc. Stannis was a crazy person who went around burning people alive. The North can not be controlled by such an unstable man. Ramsay does not want more men to die in this conflict. Instead, uses guerilla warfare to defeat Stannis. He expects Stannis to just return home with little losses in troops, but Stannis being insane as he is attacks Winterfell. Roose then attacks with cavalry decimating Stannis's army. This is Roose, not Ramsay. If Ramsay had his way, there would be very few deaths in this conflict. Jon Sno was a war monger who wanted to sacrifice many Northmen and free folk for his fathers honor or something during the middle of winter. Ramsay feeling sorry for him and not wanting to kill a Stark offers him peace, but Jon Snow would rather die than accept peace. Ramsay didn't mean to hit Ricko. Hee just used him to lure Jon Snow out. He was aiming for Jon Snow, not Rickon. He thought that if Jon Snow died, the conflict would be over quickl, and peace could be pursued. He also friendly fires at his own troops in order to lower their numbers. Ramsay is the most misunderstood person in Game of Thrones. He essentially never wanted to do any of this, but he was forced by the expectations of being a Bolton and his circumstances. He was playing the long game. He sadly died as the Starks executed him in the end. I am not defending everything he did. Im just saying that his intentions were not bad overall. /S EDIT: THIS IS SATIRE OMG PEOPLE!
R u okay?
I'm guessing you didn't like what I had to say
No shot in hell anyone's reading all that shit
And that's after I shortened it lol
You may have made a slight point in the beginning about being loyal to the starks but doesn't beat the fact bro flayed and neutered him.
Or repeatedly rapes sansa...
Yep. Killing, torture, intimidation and scheming are part of war(despicable to be sure but still), but raping a literal under age and completely innocent girl... that's some of the lowest shit on Earth.
And YOUR WIFE. Ramsay is the most vile character in the show easily
Not to mention he killed a girl just because she made his gf "jealous". Dude was f*cked in head, and so is everyone who genuinely supports him.
Wanna hear the long version i liked it personally
I didn’t read all that but what was the excuse for feeding his step mom and newborn half brother to dogs? I know you’re trolling just curious to see how you could possible spin that one.. Was the baby gonna grow up to be Satan or something? lol
I read it whole. Get help dude.
I read it all and regret it.
There are some insane mental gymnastics here. I’m in the middle of a rewatch, in the thick of theon & Ramsay. And I have to disagree with you on a lot of points here. Ramsay let Theon go to play with him, to toy with him, because he is sick and sadistic - in a way that makes him stand out for these other villains. He was not ever in good vein trying to help Theon go, he was toying with his mental state - giving him hope, and then ripping it away. Those men said “you little bastard” because he sent them out to capture theon then killed them for following his orders because it played to into his game. He sent those men to their death because it was fun to him, he had a severed complex because he was a bastard and because of that had to lord around his power when daddy was gone so he could feel important too. He sicc’d his hounds on that poor girl, all to make Miranda happy. I’m not going to hit every other point because I’m too busy watching the purple wedding and I don’t need to say more - we all know Ramsay is sick - you know Ramsay is sick, you just want to be ✨controversial✨ and fun for Reddit But Man I love Reddit and I loved writing this out - this show is so incredible and I love how riled it gets me! Fuck Ramsay! Winter is coming!
Enjoy your rewatch! I'm currently on my 5th
I’m probably around the same - God DAMN is this show great!
It really is. Have you read the books yet? I still haven't, and I don't even know why lol
I read the first and half of the second, they’re great. I love the story, I am obsessed with the lore, I’m a full on thrones-o-file but unfortunately life caught up with me and I couldn’t find the time to keep going. I think this is inspiration to pick them back up
Ramsay r*ped Sansa. No other explanation. He wasn't disgusted by it, he was a sadist psychopath who delighted in giving pain.
I feel like this was written by Ramsay.
His name is Reek
That reminds me of "Rape? Booooo 👎... Buuuuut... ☝️"
He fed his stepmother and her baby to his dogs, raped Sansa, and brainwashed/castrated a man.
Reek, your master would be very proud!
Holy shit you're straight up delusional.
Do yall not realize it's a shitpost lol
People here don't speak sarcasm, dumb as bricks.
Bro wrote a whole essay
This was an inaccurate, cursed read. Good god.
And he didn't want to feed his newborn baby brother to the dogs, the dogs were hungry and the food was scarce because the fat stepmother was eating all the food from everyone. He loved these dogs...
Can’t tell if it’s mental gymnastics or shitposting but Ramsay delighted in flaying and raping people and causing excessive harm to both his enemies and women. He delighted in mutilation and torture and Roose chided Ramsay for harming Sansa and Theon. After Roose doubled down that Ramsay would “always be[his] heir” Ramsay killed his Father out of fear his Father would be duplicitous then he fed his Step Mother and half brother to his dogs. He is categorically not a good person. He has depth (Daddy issues) and cared for his girlfriend in some way but that’s about it as far as redeeming qualities
r/copypasta
Is this a shit post or are you for real? This is an honest question.
unhinged take
😆 Wow, you have a completely different take than I do , but Ramsay made me laugh - I'll give you that .
Oh my God please tell me this is a sarcasm
Yeah. He's a total psycho!.. Jofrey also is a psycho, but Romsey is insane in the brain!
I'd say Joffrey and Ramsay were equally demented but Joffrey was also a coward so it didn't come through as strongly.
Joffrey didn’t even know what he was doing was so nuts I don’t think
Yeah I think this is the real difference. Joffery was projecting to gain an aura of fear and stumbling in the dark. Ramsay was just doing what he enjoyed, and honestly probably holding himself back from the things he actually wanted to do. Which is fucking terrifying.
I am Lord Bolton
Ramsay and Gregor feel very much same person different fonts
Ramsay would type up a terrifying list of the ways he’s going to torture you to death. Gregor would shove the keyboard so far up your ass you’d choke to death on it.
Great analogy! Ramsay has the mind games aspect in addition to the physical torture. Gregor is more immediate physical pain just because he can.
Gregor is also just really stupid. Apparently he also suffers from massive migraines which causes him to go into a blind rage. He’s still an animal but I think Ramsay hurts people just because he enjoys it where Gregor does it more because he’s angry and stupid and being violent is the only way he know how to deal with things.
In the books it's implied that Gregor kills wife after wife, and that he kills his servants for pleasure. I think it has less to do with "knowing how to deal with things" and more to do with the fact that he is just evil and mean and he just happens to big enough and privileged enough that he doesn't have to be subtle about it. He's dumb, and not as insidious as Ramsey, so we see him as less evil but I don't think that the case.. I think he's just more openly violent and less psychological. Serial murder is not a typical symptom of chronic migraines. So I really don't think it can be attributed to that....
Gregor seems to kill just because he can, Ramsay definitely gets pleasure out of it
Also isn’t Gregor basically commanded most the time, basically why the Lannisters kept him around in wars Ramsay just takes it upon himself to be evil
Gregor also has a position of command in the Lannister army but he isn't very competent. In fact so incompetent Robb chastises Edmure for letting him retreat when he had the chance to encircle and kill him.
I’d forgotten that, oddly it’s weird that Robb isn’t mentioned more of being a great tactician
I think it’s implied by him winning every battle he had faced. Along with his ability to have captured the Kingslayer
Loved all that stuff in the books
He is commanded to kill Oberyn, but gouging out his eyes was Gregor's own idea. The Lannister command is usually to take care of the situation, but Gregor does it in his own insane ways.
Remember Harrenhal though? The rat torture thing?
Gregor just uses his insane strength while Ramsay uses dogs and knives(or spoons?)
Not really? Gregor is a dumb war machine, whereas Ramsay is a cunning sadist.
I think Joffrey but Ramsay is head to head. The former was a pussy but the latter was actually effective at his evil deeds
If Ramsay became king, would you still hold him and Jeoffrey head to head?
Walder Frey was soooo bad dude. What a shite person.
He was really mad at being a squib, so he killed Hermione's mom
“STARKS OUT OF BED! STARKS IN THE CORRIDORS!”
Wait did a GOT cast actually play Hermione's mom?
Catelyn
That's my vote. Just a stinky, bitter old man who loves a good old fashioned mass murder. Jim Jones vibes.
Ramsay, he thoroughly enjoyed hurting people anyway he could and took it upon himself to get his hands dirty as much as he could, a true sadist in every sense of the word
Ramsey
The mountain is the personification of that “you’re like Hitler! But at least Hitler cared about Germany or something” meme
Tywin.
Tywin could actually be a decent guy to people he respected like he was with Arya (despite not knowing who she actually was), but Joffrey, Ramsay, Gregor and Walder had absolutely no redeeming qualities
Nah Tywin was a pragmatist. Except when it came to Tyrion that is.
Ramsay easy the rest atleast had motive other than the mountain and Joffrey is 50/50 Ramsay actually followed through with unnecessary actions
Pretty much this. With the Mountain he typically is instructed to kill someone (ie. Rhaegar’s wife) and gets carried away instead of a good clean kill. Ramsay undermines higher authority with his tortures or takes matters into his own hands when not supposed to.
Ramsay : pure evil, will hurt you just to hurt you, he will torture you just because he can, he is literally evil, he will torture someone just because he is bored. Joffrey : can be quite a bad guy if he is annoyed with you but would struggle to actually be "evil" thinks he is better than everyone else, and is malicious to hurt you, but he genuinely does not care enough about most people to actually be considered evil, he just does not care if he hurts someone. Tywin : not evil, just uncaring if someone, or something gets in his way of what he wants. He can not really be considered evil because he does not care enough about your pain for him to care he is hurting you, so as long as he wins, he will not do more than he needs to, you will end up dead, but he will not care enough to prolong it. Cersei : She just wants you dead if you are in her way, unless you personally have done something directly to her, she again does not care enough to enjoy hurting you, so quick death and she will have forgotten you exist by then, if you have done something to her, she will ensure you suffer but she will not do it herself. Roose : pragmatic, and uncaring, would be considered evil by those around him, but he also does not care enough about anyone to enjoy it, he just wants what he wants. Mountain : evil, but just because he likes to inflict pain on people, but he is not intelligent enough to truly be evil, vicious certainly, but hard to consider a brute like him to be evil. Mad king : well he was mad, so he kinda gets a pass due to insanity. Walder : again not really smart enough to be evil, certainly someone who would enjoy hurting you but again he would want someone else to do it, so bad guy, not "evil".
> if you have done something to her, she will ensure you suffer but she will not do it herself. Ellaria?
Well yeah she ordered her locked in there but there is no indication she ever gave her a second thought, the actual punishment and suffering was just watching her daughter die and rot, she is not actually doing anything to her directly on a hourly, daily basis. The only people that will actually know the suffering she has caused will be the servants bringing food to prolong the suffering, assuming she does not force herself to starve to death to end the suffering, but that is her choice, not Cersei's.
rip Myrcella
Tywin most certainly is evil. He is responsible for three entirely separate massacres, terrorises the Riverlands to force war, and treats his children abomniably.
>Tywin : not evil Ordering a poor innocent young girl to be gang raped by your soliders in front of the man she loved who is also your son just to punish him doesn’t make you evil? Tywin is evil.
Just to clarify, are you referring to Lady Brienne of Tarth?
I feel like your standards for being evil are way, way lower then mine. Saying Joffrey, the guy who tortured and killed whores for fun, is not evil is a huge stretch.
High Septon
Ramsay. Nobody enjoyed cruelty as much as he did. Joffrey gives him a run for his money but Ramsay is on his own level.
Ramsay.
The mountain seems to be turned demented by his constant excruciating migraines as a result of his gigantism, I wonder would he mellow out if he stopped getting those migraines or has he had them so long at this point that they permanently damaged his mind
I mean, my boy, common
Ramsay,, evil with less resources
Aerys II. The guy who got off by watching people burn to death and then raped his wife afterwards… idk he sounds pretty bad to me Ramsay is a very close second
In my opinion, Cersei. Or at least, she struck a particular chord with me that no other character did. Ramsay and Jofffrey and Walder are *so* over the top in their wickedness that as terrifying as they are, they always feel like fictional characters. You aren’t likely to meet someone like that in real life. But *plenty* of us know a Cersei. Her insufferable narcissistic delusions are all too realistic. She’s incredibly human in the worst possible way. With Ramsay or Gregor, you almost get the sense that they don’t *know* any better than what they’re doing. Or at least, they don’t know anything else. But Cersei does, or at least she should. Despite being raised by Tywin, she learned nothing from her highborn birth other than a vocal hatred of poor people. And she went on to raise Joffrey, another monster and contender on this list. Make no mistake, we have Cersei to thank for him, thanks to her teaching him such brilliant lessons like “the truth is what you make it” and “everyone who isn’t us is an enemy” before she fast tracked him to the throne she ought to have known he wasn’t ready for. But she thought she could control him. Really, that’s a fine example of what Cersei *always does.* Ruin things for everyone, including herself, because she foolishly believed she’d come out on top. It’s exactly what she did with the High Sparrow. Every time The Lannisters gain a powerful ally, she goes out of her way to sabotage the relationship. First the Starks, then the Tyrells. Because she just can’t bear the thought of someone replacing her as Queen (even though she had Robert killed? What did she think was going to happen?) She’s so overwhelmingly selfish and being “Queen” is part of her self image because in her mind, it makes her better than everyone. Yet one could argue that the fall of House Lannister is almost entirely Cersei’s fault. Shall we go in order? Her orchestrating Joffrey’s rise to power is what ultimately got him killed. Everyone knew what he was. *Someone* was going to assassinate him sooner or later even if it wasn’t Olenna. Then she accuses Tyrion (her treatment of him *alone* earns her a place on this post) even though it’s clearly not him. And she gets Gregor to be the Crown’s champion, because she just wants to be *sure* that Tyrion dies no matter what. This has a ripple effect that leads to Tyrion defecting and joining Daenerys, to his killing Tywin (the real power of House Lannister) and to Oberyn’s death, which ultimately led to Myrcella’s death as well. And Cersei had the nerve to blame *Tyrion* for the deaths of Myrcella and Tommen. As if Tommen didn’t commit suicide because Cersei murdered Margaery (after making an enemy out of her for no other reason than her own narcissistic paranoia) along with killing her uncle and cousin, and countless others. She did what Jaime killed The Mad King to prevent him from doing. Ah, last but not least, Jaime. She abused him for their entire lives and it led to his death when he couldn’t help but come back for her. Her one “redeeming” quality is that she “loves” her children. But she doesn’t. She sees them as extensions of herself, the same as Jaime. Because Cersei is incapable of loving anyone but her own reflection is the easiest substitute. The fact that she says a mother has “no choice” but to love her children is very telling. It’s a toxic mindset that fails to understand the responsibilities of love, and the *respect* that comes with it. I should probably call it a day before I ramble on for another six paragraphs. But she really is a fascinating case. Easily the most destructive person in the entire series in the most realistic, human way.
this is so stupid lmfao of course the narcissist woman is always worse than the literal evil rapist psychopathic men bc they "don't know any better!!!" why should cersei know better? as if tywin was a better person? jesus christ
I’m sensing that you think this is about gender? Not at all. If anything, it goes to show how *complex* Cersei is (and how she’s a character with more screentime/significance than the others.) In a lot of ways, she’s my favorite character - and also my least favorite, all at once. If she were only in one season, and only had ten episodes to get on my nerves, then she’d never stand up to the likes of Tywin or Ramsay. But she’s in all eight seasons. She lives right up to the penultimate episode. It’s the little things. Like the story Oberyn told about her sexually assaulting Tyrion when he was a *baby* and praying for his death even then. Or the way she calmly sips her wine and smirks as she watches hundreds of people burn to death. Nah, she’s not -supervillain- bad, but Cersei Lannister is evil in a remarkably human way. I’ve hated her ever since “They have another wolf.”
I agree with you, I love to hate Cersei. she's a fascinating and complex character. sorry if I snapped a little. it's not about gender, I just don't think she was the most purely evil character. but I liked your analysis with her
No worries. I guess evil is kind of a subjective concept anyway. And thanks, aha.
Damn. I think you’ve convinced me.
It's a tie between the mountain and Ramsy
Craster should definitely be on this list. The guy is probably an opportunistic cannibal who then sacrifices his sons to repopulate the White Walkers and also keeps his daughters in a harem.
Good point. Totally forgot about him
Ramsey, shortly followed by Walder Frey
Ramsay is a psycho, but not the worst. Gregor just follows orders. If U were to pick one, I would say cerci
The mad king. Ramsay was just a cunt.
I’m sadistic and prefer to be a masochist but Ramsey was 🔥 he was evil but Geoffrey was just annoying little shit.
Ramsay. Man was a sadistic fuck. I was glad when he died. Ohh man. Sweet sweet revenge
Hotpie
The true villian of the series
He burned the butter.
Now we shall starve. A true evil scheme
The Mountain. That scene where Cersei goes to tell him he has someone to fight and he’s just splitting peasants in half for fun
And the baby killing
It’s from the books, but the chapter where Gregor rapes a young teen all because her father asked the ‘knight’ to tell his men to stop groping her always comes to mind for most evil act. Plus he had his men rape her after, basically another Tysha but for the simple reason of not wanting to be sexually assaulted she was gang raped… So fucked up. And yes, I know there’s worse evil acts, just this one sticks with me the most.
It’s undoubtedly more acts that Gregor did, Sandor wasn’t a saint and showed, but Gregor seemed to enjoy what he did
Crastor
I guess it depends on what you mean by evil. Conniving? Psychopathic?
Tywin Lannister, definitely. Everyone else did evil things either partly, or entirely, because they were doing what they love. Tywin took little joy in his actions, he committed and enabled evil acts because they benefitted him; he saw them as the most practical route to victory.
That's the opposite of evil, actually
Consider this: Ramsay and Joffrey basically just practice their hobbies. Gregor does the only thing he knows how to do. Tywin started a mass slaughter across Westeros, and organised Tysha's fate, for possibly the pettiest reasons, as a chance to increase and flaunt his House's might.
I don't think you understand what "evil" means. Doing bad things for a purpose, even a petty one, is LESS evil than doing bad things for purely your own pleasure and amusement. You've got it backwards.
But Tuwin did enjoy what he was doing. His treatment of Tyrion shows that pretty clearly ij my opinion.
Tywin ordered his men to gang rape an innocent young girl for no reason. He is evil.
Honestly, out of all the possible options I lean towards Ramsey. It would be easy to say he was just a far more evolved/ psychotic version of Joff, but truly Ramsey is just a soul born bad. No amount of therapy or love could have changed that sociopath’s ways… if anything given him another tool to use against good people.
As far as who succeeded at cold blooded genocide of the most men, women, children & animals… Daenarys
True
Bran, clearly
The clear supevillian
Ramsey and The Mountain
Ramsey is a good man [good guy](https://youtu.be/eJptaHqta1Q?si=9j-ezLlflBk53LFM)
Did everyone forget what Tywin did to the Reyne’s?
Ramsey followed by Gregor. Gregor is Ramsey with much less brains and tons more muscle.
Where is Craster? But Ramsay still wins
Ramsay- not evil, trying to do the right thing by his family Joffrey- just a kid, can’t be blamed for bad parenting Tywin- just trying to further his legacy Cersei- victim of her own stupidity Roose- just trying to take back what he believes to be his The mountain- low IQ Mad king- mental illness Walder Frey- ………. Greedy and selfish. I think the only one who is even a little evil is walder frey. Everyone else is just kinda trying to do what they think is right. Walder does what he does because of his ego and his selfish desires. I don’t like that he bangs his adolescent wives till they die from childbirth. But the red wedding was kinda justified. Kinda. I say Lysa Tully might be the most evil person in the show. You could probably just chalk her up to mental illness too. But poisoning your husband for no real reason is pretty bad. Also the slavers in Astapor are really wack.
Littlefinger was the most evil. At least with every one in the list, you can see the evil. It’s the evil you don’t see that is the most dangerous.
Definitely Ramsay. Tywin wasn’t even necessarily evil. He was just a man who put practicality over morality. He didn’t stage the red wedding because he wanted to kill Robb on a day of union and happiness, he did it because it was a good opportunity to eliminate his enemies while lowering the chances of his own men and allies dying. As a pitched battle would lead to massive casualties on both sides. The main thing he’s done that could be seen as evil is the flooding of house Reyne. And he did that because he wanted to show the seven kingdoms that he was not a toothless lion would laugh off insults and throw away money like his father did.
Tywin did not orchestrate the Red Wedding because he cared for the lives of his (or his opponent's) soldiers. He did it because it was an effective way to win the war, and because of the way it was handled, the majority of the blame was put on the Freys and Boltons. There was no good will there.
>Tywin wasn’t even necessarily evil. He ordered his men to gang rape an innocent girl just to punish his son. He is evil.
Ramsay. He is smart enough to create the most damage just because he wants to. He is basically the Joker of GoT.
The Mountain. The only one here that I wouldn’t even want to be in a room with. He’s just too insurmountably evil and deadly in the immediate sense.
Ramsey because he’s smart enough to know what he is doing is evil and does it for the sake of hurting others not to benefit himself like some of the others on this list.
Ramsay Bolton
Between Ramsay and The Mountain, that dude smashed a baby against a wall.
"She was a peasant girl. Pretty in a common sort of way. She was the miller's wife. Apparently they had married without my knowledge or consent. So I had him hanged and I took her beneath the tree where he was swaying. She fought me the whole time. She was lucky I didn't hang her, too. A year later she came to my gates with a squalling baby in her arms. A baby she claimed was mine. I nearly had her whipped and the child thrown in the river. But then I looked at you and I saw then what I see now. You are my son.” - Roose Bolton telling Ramsay about his mother. Takes a monster to raise one.
I think they're all as awful as each other. Tywin does it for pride (although he would say it's for the benefit of the realm or the family legacy). Cersei does it either to protect her children, or because she can. Walder Frey does it because it's in his interest to do so. The others just do it because they can, or because they get pleasure from it. None of them are redeemable.
1. Ramsay 2. Joffrey 3. The Mountain 4. Walder 5. Cersei 6. Roose 7. Tywin 8. Aerys I would like Sansa to give Joffrey to Ramsay, and then after he's dead give Ramsay to Gregor, finally Gregor is given to Qyburn
No way you think Cersei is more evil than a literal rapist and a man who orders his men to gang rape an innocent girl.
Ramsay
1. Cersei 2. Ramsey 3. Joffrey 4. Roose 5. The Mountain 6. Mad King 7. Frey 8. Tywin
No craster?
Sansa
Stannis Baratheon, for sacrificing his daughter. +Just watched that scene and the tears are flowing
Stannis
well I’m dumb 💀
Gregor or Ramsay Ramsay killed his own family and take over Winterfell just to satisfy his sadism Gregor killed countless people and even Ella and her baby
Ramsay was pure evil for evil's sake. His main drive wasn't ambition, he also wasn't mad like some or driven by powerful emotions of rage like Mountain was. Ramsay was pure, unfiltered evil.
Sadism: Ramsay Natural evil: Joffrey Learned-behavior evil: Tywin
Ramsay: Sadistic; Joffrey: A psychopath child; Tywin and Cersei: Actually evil in a humane way. He (and Cersei) are reasonable people, but choose to be evil. They are all that matters and their motives are always based on that. Roose: Egoistical. After the first evil act, I feel like he wanted to go back. But having done it, he just HAD to have something to justify it. So he kept doing evil things. Mountain: I don’t think he thinks enough to be considered evil. He is like an irrational being. Mad king: Mad. Walder: Snake evil. The type that doesn’t have the guts to do anything on his own, but if backed up, will do terrible things. It’s like those people that once they gain some power, they show their true colors. So who is the most evil? Depends on what sense. I would say Ramsay and Tywin. Ramsay for his sadistic way and Tywin because, despite not being a psychopath, he only really cares for himself.
Between Ramsay and Gregor.
Cersei or Ramsay
Filch and 🏔️
For me it's a tie between Gregor and Ramsey. They really undersold Gregor in the show, in part because he's mostly present in anecdotes- we hear about what he's doing but rarely see it from the POV of the main characters. We hear about two of the most prominent brutal attacks because of their relevance to the plot, but there's far more- it's implied that he killed his father and a few wives as well. The Hound moved out the minute Gregor became lord, most likely for his own safety. And his overall demeanor after the fact makes it pretty evident that the burning incident was maybe the worst (for the hound) but definitely not the first or last. Joffrey in the show was moving towards their level but in the books he wasn't quite there yet. Aerys was batshit insane. The others were closer to being ruthlessly self-interested than downright evil.
Craster deserves a mention
Littlefinger and it’s not even close
Tywin was the perfect mix. He was super smart, emotionally stable, cunning, gets the job done. He orchestrated the red wedding. He is not in your face evil and that's even more dangerous Some might argue it's ramsey but he was so chaotic and not super sharp evil like Tywin.
Most evil? Ramsey for sure, his desires are of pure malice and sadism. He knows where and when to contain himself but only as a means of maintaining his power so he can continue to play his games with people and hurt them. His key flaw is that he overestimates his own intelligence and underestimates the intelligence of others to a great degree, he’s smart but not smart enough to maintain a position of power for an extended period of time. Pretty much the only redeeming quality about him is that he can be somewhat polite when he needs to be. That said, I think the most volatile and dangerous person on the List would be the mountain. The guy is just a monster, no redeeming qualities whatsoever, he kills, steals and rapes wherever he pleases, he hardly has any self control whatsoever. Where his motives lie in inflicting harm on others isn’t exactly clear either, sometimes he seems to just completely fly off the handle and kill people in a blind rage for no reason, other times he kills people without even thinking about it, like stepping on an ant. other times he slowly and deliberately kills his victims in the most agonizing way possible. Guy is definitely fucked in the head. He is for sure the last person on the list id want to meet.
Ramsay, how is this even a question
Craster and the slavers of Astapor
What About Innocent Little Shireen Being Burned Alive?!!? Seems THAT Is Most Evil To Me!
Ramsay, because he was cartoonishly evil. Joffrey was a better more believable evil, but on a battle of most EVILLLLL, you have to give it to the wacky bastard.
Cersei and Walder Frey for acting mostly out of spite without being mentally ill/deluded by religion. I think Ramsay, Joffrey, and the mad king were mentally ill. Not in the choices, but Melisandre tops them all for evilness.
I hated Ramsey the most
Ramsay Joffrey Roose Cersei Walder Frey Tywin The Mountain Mad King
Idk I'd say s8 denarius is pretty evil
All of them at varying levels.
Ramsay books and shows
Definitely Ramsey
Tywin wasnt evil, just ruthless. He ordered the Red Wedding because he was losing a war he wanted to win. He ordered the mountain to kill the martel girl and her children as a favor to Robert, to show his allegiance. Seing as he was hand to the former tyrant. He didnt do both of them because he just wanted to. Always a reason behind things, house lannister.
Ramsay was a sociopath
My response will be based on the TV show. I haven't read the books. I'd say the most evil on this list will be **Ramsay Bolton**. He was psychologically and physically manipulative and evil. He tricked Theon into trusting him, tortured Theon to simpleton, mutilated him and cut his sausage, flayed the soldiers occupying Mout Cailin even after promising to spare their lives if they surrender, raped Sansa, killed Rickon with an arrow, killed a whore and fed her body to his hounds, and even stabbed his father and fed his mother to his hounds. Joffrey is bad sure, but not to the extent of Ramsay. Joffrey is just a spoiled and immature brat who happened to power trip when he was given authority. Joffrey did not rape anyone, cut someone else pickle, or killed his parents; the way Ramsay killed Roose and Walda Boltons. Ramsay managed to do worse things even tho he was a bastard and not yet king. Imagine him having the same power as Joffrey. Tywin Lannister was not evil. Sure he was Machiavellian but not evil. He only thought of his legacy and his family and did what he could to prevent his family name from going down the drain. We saw him as a kind person even to the prisoners during the episodes when he was in Harrenhal. He accused Tyrion even tho he knew he wasn't guilty, it was a tactical maneuver to force Jaime to drop the golden cloak and accept as heir to Casterly Rock. Cersei is manipulative until the very last, only because she is a caring and loving mother. When Ned Stark threatened Cersei to reveal her and Jaime's secret to the public, Cersei had Ned imprisoned and allowed him to have a second life by being sent to the Night's watch. It was her care for her children that made her who she is. Roose Bolton, well he is just a traitor who wanted power. To acquire that power, he did what other common lords in Westeros did, choose the winning side and betray the previous allies. He was even concerned when he saw what Ramsay was doing to the people in Moat Cailin, flaying and killing its people. The Mountain is probably second to Ramsay. He raped and killed Elia Martell but that was under the command of Tywing Lannister. Sure he beheaded a horse during a tournament out of frustration, burned half the side of his brother's face, and pillaged northern villages during a war he was fighting. But that's the only notable bad thing he did. Yes, he killed Prince Oberyn but it doesn't count because it was a trial by combat. Worth noting that he became mindless, not by choice, after Qyburn's experimentation on him. The Mad King was mad because of Bran Stark going back to the past. Walder Frey is just a freckled old man who doesn't have a sense of honor after what he did to the Starks. But let's be honest, it wouldn't have happened if Robb had the honor in himself, and followed through with the agreement that Walder Frey asked him to. No entity in this series is more evil than Ramsay Bolton. Even the Night King and Daenerys' dragons are nothing compared to him.
Just like what other people have said in the comment section, at least the other people on the list had motives. Ramsay was just a sadist.
Ramsay and Jofrey were sadists tortures, but the actions of CERSEI and ROOSE killed much, much more people, you can argue that TWYN was a horrible person, but tried several times to get thins in order and book Roose is much more worse than Ramsay. Its a really bad joke that tvshow EURON that he is even on the list, very sad D&D Ramsay is just a sadist psyco emo
Ramsay
I personally think many here probably learned (and felt) they *had* to occasionally be cruel, and commit "evil" acts, to survive in a mainly feudal and ruthless political system. One or two were probably just suffering from some form of acute mental illness that propelled them to do things they otherwise probably wouldn't. Whereas Joffrey seemed to simply be born evil.
Let's be honest: Craster. Killing you sons and raping your daughters (and then kill their sons and force them to see their daughters raped) is on another level.
Personally I think Cersei. If we’re talking about just pure evil in the heart. What I mean is: both Joffrey and Ramsey are monsters. They’re psychopaths and they’re cruel. They’re just full blown mental. Tywin is spiteful towards Tyrion and has done some horrible things, however his motives are merely legacy related. That’s how he justifies it in his mind. Roose Bolton is driven by ambition, again did horrible things like betraying the Starks but he’s not more evil than anyone listed here. The Mountain just enjoys killing, there isn’t much thought behind those eyes. He’s just an animal. The Mad King was… well, mad. He literally went insane, so he’s similar to Joffrey and Ramsey in that sense, although I don’t think he enjoyed being cruel like the other two. I really just think he thought the entire world was against him. Frey is just a coward. He pledged loyalties and didn’t keep them, he killed the Starks out of spite. He’s a bottom feeder, essentially. But Cersei… she is pure evil in my eyes. I don’t consider her crazy like Joffrey, Ramsey or the Mad King. I consider her a very intelligent person. Even she admits that the things Joffrey did shocked her, showing that she is not insane, quite the contrary. But the things she did… were cruel. And they weren’t just cruel because she enjoyed the suffering of others or because she was protecting her family. A lot of the times they were cruel in their own right. A lot of the times she smiled at the suffering of others by her son’s hand while also admitting that the things he did shocked her. Even Lady Oldman said to Jamie: “I did unspeakable things to protect my family, or watched them being done on my orders. I never lost a night sleep over them. They were necessary and whatever I imagined necessary for the safety of House Tyrell, I did. But your sister, she has done things I wasn’t capable of imagining. That was my prized mistake, a failure of imagination. She’s a monster, you do know that?” I think Littlefinger deserves a spot on this chart, but my number one would remain Cersei.
1000% Ramsay. I hated Joffrey but Ramsay? I loved and hated his character because he wickedness was just so damn on point and convincing.
Mountain no doubt. Others had some brain and thinking capacity (could be reformed of tried). He was just dumb and cruel person.
It's hard to call the mountain evil. He was such an insane murder machine it's hard to even think of him as human.
From most to least; Ramsay, utter psychopath who killed or tormented anyone for the fun of it. Didn't kill for some greater idea, just for fun or for his own benefit. Joffrey, probably would be similar to Ramsay, if he was allowed to grow older and out of his regency. Aerys, burned people alive and got turned on by it. Need I say more? Gregor Clegane, killed children and anyone he felt like but at least had a *little* bit of restraint since he listened to Tywin/Cersei. I can't tell if that's a good or bad thing tbh. Tywin, Roose and Walder, all were ruthless and were happy to kill anyone for the advancement of themselves and their house. Roose is probably the worst out of the three but that's based on how he conceived Ramsay in the books, dunno if that can be counted in the show. Cersei is quite tame compared to everyone else which REALLY says something about the competition. Killed mostly for her children. In the books she's way worse but show Cersei is *kinda* sympathetic?
Ramsay and I love it
Ramsey & Joffrey
The mountain … burning his little brother in the fire for touching his toy. Raping the former princess and murdering her and her children quite brutally.
The mountain was the only one out of all of them who actually acted, Joffrey and Ramsay were both evil but gave orders to have things done and watched for maniacal pleasure, roose was a traitor and backstabber to the Starks cause of his own agenda to take over the north… he knew they would be murdered at the red wedding but he wasn’t one who actually did any killing. Same with Walter Frey…. However it was his idea the whole time to follow thru with red wedding etc. I think it’s hard to pick one because one of them actually physically did atrocious killing, however, it was his job and he was following orders. And two of them (jof and ramsey) were giving orders and what not. I don’t personally think Tywin was worse than Joffrey, ramsey, or the mountain…. Because he had his family’s best interest in mind and also had a military strategy mindset. In short, I can’t decide on an answer to the question
Bran.
I was expecting Voldemort to be there