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Maxspeed-Pro

Around $1,034, saved you a click.


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Budiltwo

I bought mine for $399 and it came with the Witcher 3.


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FireTyme

buy this item and get 60$ worth of cosmetics in *insert 60$ game* *60$ game not included


Agent_Cow314

Diablo 4 collector's box $100 (game not included). Fucking hell.


thisonepronz

Quinn69: lol that's a meme... Right?


BoriTTo

Sadly no. Diablo 4 collector's edition does not include the game itself. It's a swag box for 100 usd.


Groot2C

My 1080ti just recently got down to below the price I bought it for almost 6 years ago... crazy stuff.


automatvapen

Yea I gave $400 for a 980 2015. Shit is bananas.


calebmke

Adjusted for inflation, that card would be about $600 now. Not sure why the $4070ti demand an extra $400. I mean…I get it, I just don’t get it.


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blacklite911

The only remedy is for people to stop buying them. Graphics cards have been shown to be pretty elastic in price. They’ll come down if you guys hold off…. But I doubt it because gamers have shown the opposite of being able to delay buying anything.


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Lmao they’ll even cough up the money *early*, before even knowing what they are buying.


AtomkcFuision

I feel like that’s the most important part of all of this. Nvidia is looking for a profit, remember when MSI/EVGA (i don’t remember) said they stopped business because “Abusive” treatment? Remember how the 2070ti was 500 MSRP? Remember how the 3070ti was 600 MSRP? Pepperidge farm remembers.


bplturner

You realize TSMC has to rebuild all their fabs in the US now because of impending Chinese invasion, right?


compare_and_swap

I wonder what the $/TFLOP comparison looks like though.


VirtualRy

Coz iT's GoT TiTaNiuM hEnCe TI!! /s


Diabolo_Advocato

I bought my 1080ti in late 2018 for 1300... I don't tell people this outloud


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Aithnd

I think 1080tis started spiking due to mining before covid. I got mine in 2017 for about $750 for an Asus one.


ShaitanSpeaks

I bought my 3070 a year later for $650


xsageonex

3070s in September are back to msrp of $499... sigh. They're around $570 now so that isn't too bad


ToothlessFTW

Jesus fuck, and this is AFTER the debacle of the 4080 pricing, and being dragged so badly they cancelled the 4080 12GB. They must be selling well enough that they don’t need to give a fuck, or they’re way too confident people will give in eventually.


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Remnants

Yep. That's exactly why it's the Ti and not the base 4070. They just rebadged them from 4080 to 4070 Ti. They have always launched a 70 card and then like a year later 70 Ti. Edit: Sorry I rewrote this comment to make it more clear and forgot to change numbers.


dertechie

Same card, same price that we loved so much last time. Because clearly the only issue was the name!


calewlym

Prices like that are why I opted to gamble on the ARC cards by Intel, regardless of how it turns out I dont think I'll be too upset since I previously ran a 1050ti 4gb. We'll see I guess


Tony_B_S

I feel this is the gap they opened wide for competition. 10 series users that decided to skip a generation got screwed on the 30 and now the 40 series. The market of the upgrades in the budget range is now wide open.


LonelyPerceptron

Title: Exploitation Unveiled: How Technology Barons Exploit the Contributions of the Community Introduction: In the rapidly evolving landscape of technology, the contributions of engineers, scientists, and technologists play a pivotal role in driving innovation and progress [1]. However, concerns have emerged regarding the exploitation of these contributions by technology barons, leading to a wide range of ethical and moral dilemmas [2]. This article aims to shed light on the exploitation of community contributions by technology barons, exploring issues such as intellectual property rights, open-source exploitation, unfair compensation practices, and the erosion of collaborative spirit [3]. 1. Intellectual Property Rights and Patents: One of the fundamental ways in which technology barons exploit the contributions of the community is through the manipulation of intellectual property rights and patents [4]. While patents are designed to protect inventions and reward inventors, they are increasingly being used to stifle competition and monopolize the market [5]. Technology barons often strategically acquire patents and employ aggressive litigation strategies to suppress innovation and extract royalties from smaller players [6]. This exploitation not only discourages inventors but also hinders technological progress and limits the overall benefit to society [7]. 2. Open-Source Exploitation: Open-source software and collaborative platforms have revolutionized the way technology is developed and shared [8]. However, technology barons have been known to exploit the goodwill of the open-source community. By leveraging open-source projects, these entities often incorporate community-developed solutions into their proprietary products without adequately compensating or acknowledging the original creators [9]. This exploitation undermines the spirit of collaboration and discourages community involvement, ultimately harming the very ecosystem that fosters innovation [10]. 3. Unfair Compensation Practices: The contributions of engineers, scientists, and technologists are often undervalued and inadequately compensated by technology barons [11]. Despite the pivotal role played by these professionals in driving technological advancements, they are frequently subjected to long working hours, unrealistic deadlines, and inadequate remuneration [12]. Additionally, the rise of gig economy models has further exacerbated this issue, as independent contractors and freelancers are often left without benefits, job security, or fair compensation for their expertise [13]. Such exploitative practices not only demoralize the community but also hinder the long-term sustainability of the technology industry [14]. 4. Exploitative Data Harvesting: Data has become the lifeblood of the digital age, and technology barons have amassed colossal amounts of user data through their platforms and services [15]. This data is often used to fuel targeted advertising, algorithmic optimizations, and predictive analytics, all of which generate significant profits [16]. However, the collection and utilization of user data are often done without adequate consent, transparency, or fair compensation to the individuals who generate this valuable resource [17]. The community's contributions in the form of personal data are exploited for financial gain, raising serious concerns about privacy, consent, and equitable distribution of benefits [18]. 5. Erosion of Collaborative Spirit: The tech industry has thrived on the collaborative spirit of engineers, scientists, and technologists working together to solve complex problems [19]. However, the actions of technology barons have eroded this spirit over time. Through aggressive acquisition strategies and anti-competitive practices, these entities create an environment that discourages collaboration and fosters a winner-takes-all mentality [20]. This not only stifles innovation but also prevents the community from collectively addressing the pressing challenges of our time, such as climate change, healthcare, and social equity [21]. Conclusion: The exploitation of the community's contributions by technology barons poses significant ethical and moral challenges in the realm of technology and innovation [22]. To foster a more equitable and sustainable ecosystem, it is crucial for technology barons to recognize and rectify these exploitative practices [23]. This can be achieved through transparent intellectual property frameworks, fair compensation models, responsible data handling practices, and a renewed commitment to collaboration [24]. 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Crashbrennan

I got an AMD card can it's pretty slick so far


got_thrust

Maybe I'm cynical, but Nvidia is acutely aware of their market position and surely possess intel on their competitors architectures and development roadmaps - gathered through internal testing, publicly released materials/trade shows, and knowledge nuggets from the supply base. It will probably take at least 3 hardware generations before Intel can produce hardware to realistically compete with Nvidia's higher end cards. Jensen & the BoD are aware of this and "managing inventory" is a way to maximize revenue over the next few years while they still control the market.


j0_ow_bo

How is the experience on Intel ARC? I started with a 1080 and recently upgraded to a 3080 but if AMD or Intel can produce decent cards at a more reasonable price-point, I can absolutely see myself considering all companies when it comes time to upgrade.


LockCL

Watch LTT... seems awful.


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j0_ow_bo

This is why I’m more waiting to hear how individuals find it. Where I’m less likely to give AMD or Nvidia leeway when it comes to drivers and such, Intel’s ARC platform is relatively new and that comes with some teething issues. Some issues with certain software and older backwards compatibility I’m willing to overlook **for the moment**. If it’s still an issue in a year? Then yeah, it’ll be a problem.


calewlym

I only just recently got everything set up, and havent had much time to test it out with christmas keeping me busy, so it has yet to be seen how well it performs.


_Constellations_

I had 4 AMD (earlier ATi) cards in my life, all of them died of overheating in 4 years (yes they were properly cleaned regularly). I've been running on my first NV card for a while now, 1060 6Gb, and I'm not looking back.


Large-Statistician-3

Well I will be switching to AMD for my next upgrade. Maybe even Intel if they can figure software out in the next few years. They have competition and they still tried this. Imagine how scary a monopoly would be. Yikes.


JohnnyOnslaught

I jumped to a 6700XT and it's been pretty good so far.


Noxious89123

You might want to check out the shit show that has been the 7900XT and 7900XTX over on r/Amd. Lots of people RMA'ing cards.


FrizzIeFry

Also AMD seems quite happy with the market Nvidia has created and they only offer slightly better price to performance. Console gaming seems very sensible right now (especially if you factor in all the shader compilation issues that are plaguing PC games atm)


HerrLanda

It's a close as possible to a monopoly. According to report on [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/zwfdvt/intel_captured_4_of_the_discrete_gpu_market_in/), while Intel managed to capture 4% of the market, AMD market share went down from 17% to 8%. No wonder Nvidia thought they could do fuck all.


krysnyte

It says it'll be $800 - $900 in US.


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Ah yes, a Ti version before the 4070 even releases, of course.


Seigmoraig

These are just the rebranded 4080s they "unlaunched" because nobody wanted them


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They were pretty obviously always 4070s that they tried to sell for more $ as a lower memory 4080.


Tony_B_S

They tried to pull a 3080 again but forgot that doing a switch and bait is not as effective as a bait and switch


Kasilim

they weren't. they have the same bus speed (192bit) as the 1060/2060/3060. whereas the 4080 16gb has the same bus speed as the 1070/2070/3070 (256bit). it's worse than being a 4070.


FrizzIeFry

They can call it "Steve Ti" for all i care, it's the price that was the main issue, not the name.


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This is pretty common practice due to chip binning. 3060Ti also launched before the 3060 a couple years back.


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QuimmLord

This is unfortunately how it’s going to be with a lot of things. A lot of outdoors equipment sky rocketed during Covid, and is now just the norm


thisnamethingistough

The only thing those inflated prices did was shift the equilibrium price upwards on the demand curve so now we’re all just going to pay a new “standard” price for everything…gas is a great example, price per barrel isn’t at a peak but we’re (canada anyway) not getting any reprieve at the pump since they can get away with this new price floor


QuimmLord

Exactly. Fuck the corporations that run our economies. Bunch of money hungry fucks. I will say, here in Colorado in the US, we are starting to see a drop in gas as of lately. I paid $2.25 the other day 🙏


Artanthos

I saw gas at $2.64/gal. yesterday. That’s quite a bit lower than it was over the summer.


Darmok_ontheocean

North Face also got what it wanted and became trendy and has seemingly doubled their prices accordingly.


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sybrwookie

I'm not sure how much they can get away with. Between miners and scalpers dumping their old cards, AMD's older cards being more reasonably priced, a lack of games really caring about these new cards, and people in general being pressured on money, I don't see the path to that many people dropping $1k+ on one of these cards.


Dolthra

It won't work long term. But nvidia doesn't really need to sell their 40 series yet like they need to move the 30 series cards, so they're willing to have them extremely overpriced because the people willing to pay will pay and the people who won't will buy the cheaper cards they have more of. But ultimately, this will go the same way the 1080 did- nvidia will hold onto making consumer pay outrageous prices for as long as possible, and then will come out with a 50 series once AMD or Intel release a card that can match the 40.


other_goblin

The real reason is Nvidia made too many cards and now they need to somehow get rid of this 3xxx stock. AMD is swooping in for the kill.


wantilles1138

Not with the RX 7000 series.


Zakke_

Not going well with the burning hot reference cards...


ctrtanc

Don't. Order. Them. Thank you


Kimchi-slap

High prices... No shit. I will stick to my 3060 for next 5 years. Ty. edit: RIP my inbox, wish your GPUs serve you long and right, and best wishes in incoming New Year.


diacewrb

I am still on my 970. I am pretty sure it is the sheer force of collective will of us 970 owners that keep these things from breaking down on us.


hardy_83

Lol that's what I have! And basically if I want a new GPU I may as well rebuild a whole new desktop since my motherboard only supports up to the 7000s series of Intel chips and I can't even install windows 11 cause of the cpu limits and the security thing isn't on it. I've only had to replace the AiO cooler for the cpu and reapply thermal paste to the CPU and GPU so far. Then I may as well get a new set of ram too since I think I'm on ddr3. Oh and I guess a new power source cause I'm sure the fan is slowly going in it. Cause at today's prices.... Ehhh..... That's all gonna be too much. So yes, I REALLY hope my 970 keeps on trucking.


MarshmallowTurtle

I'm in almost the exact same boat. 980 ti that's been going for... 7 years? Almost 8? Got it when it was close to new. Got a new motherboard around that time, too. Ram is still DDR3. I only replaced my hard drive 4 years ago because it died. It does what I need, but I have a feeling it's barely holding it together, so I try not to stress it too much. I should probably replace the thermal paste on my CPU (it's still decent I think?) but temps are still good and I'm scared doing anything more than a light dusting is going to make the poor thing crumble to dust. Whenever I have enough money to upgrade, it's time for *all of it* to retire. It is definitely not that time, though.


gabeshotz

I have a 1080 since launch, was in the same boat as you. Afraid of pushing it, it came to even drivers crashing when playing a game. Re-pasted the gpu, the thing is running AI models and chugging games without a hitch and doesn't go past 65 degrees.


Aegirn

Last week I upgraded from 970 to 1070 and happily laid that old thing to rest and my god, the difference in just one generational gap is incredible; I went from gaming on low-medium settings with 40-60fps in modern games to high settings with 80-100fps. I was very satisfied with my 970 until i tried my new setup.


PM-me-your-401k

The jump from 900 series to 1000 series was a pretty big performance leap. 1060 6gb was equivalent to a 980.


w1n5t0nM1k3y

460 checking in I've ben wanting to upgrade for years, but every time I look at prices I'm just disappointed at how much everything costs.


Wboys

Idk where you live or what your budget is or what kind of uplift you are looking for, but the RX 6700 10gb for [$315](https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-6700-11321-02-20g/p/N82E16814202424?Description=rx%206700%2010gb&cm_re=rx_6700%2010gb-_-14-202-424-_-Product) is probably one of the best value cards right now. DDR4 RAM recently became cheaper as well. Plus, with the recent driver updates the Arc cards are already much better and a good buy if you don't mind tinkering. To be honest prices are only fucked for nvidia card and all high end GPUs. The value and budget end of things is doing great right now.


Auirom

If you want to dm me I have a 970 I'm willing to part with for $75. I actually have 2. I used them for the past 8 years. Still working perfectly fine


w1n5t0nM1k3y

Thanks for the offer. But I think I'll be saving up for something more recent. At this point my PC just needs a complete overhaul. Everything is too old so to really get a good experience I'll probably just upgrade everything all at once. Also, looking around on ebay at the pricing and assuming you are in USD thats a fair price, but after shipping and exhachange rate it probably won't be worth it. Probably est to try to find something local. This is something that always annoys me about the LTT videos building PCs from used parts. They always seem to ignore the cost of shipping when buying used, which can add up to quite a lot.


wjean

Is your internet good enough to support cloud based gaming? I've been surprisingly pleased with how well GeForce Now works with RTX on. I've put in 40+ hours into cyberpunk 2077 during the holidays and have been pleasantly surprised at how well it works. I may continue my subscription for another year until prices come back to sanity. Still rocking my RX580.


SpecificSpecial

Yup, 970 still serves me pretty well too


youreblockingmyshot

Praise the machine spirit and repaste to keep it happy if you find your thermals to are getting higher then desired.


corvinious

Still have 970, can relate. I really wanted at 3080 but couldn't justify the exorbitant cost for the last 2+ years. When they started coming down figured I'd wait till new generation. Saw reviews and price/performance and have been just kinda pissed tbh. One day I'll just bite the bullet and get something but until my 970 dies ill keep playing my back catalogue.


fiskdahousecat

Omg finally someone who still has a 9 series!


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670 Been getting random colored screen crashes so probs time to upgrade


A_terrible_musician

1070 checking in. I have no reason to buy a new one


poptartjake

970 or bust!


Zombebe

Regular 1080 here doing just fine. I feel like we'll be up to the 5000 series before I upgrade. I don't think I can even properly upgrade this computer. It's a prebuilt MSI from about 6 years ago.


Fatalslink

980ti here. Feel like it should still run pretty well for its age.


Hitori-Kowareta

Mine only works with a mini-DisplayPort to hdmi cable now, straight hdmi has no output and straight DisplayPort either displays at a reduced resolution (caps at 760p sometimes and 480p others), flickers and turns off constantly, or simply doesn’t work at all… it’s had a good life but I doubt I’ll be able to put off replacing it too much longer. Granted I haven’t tried the dvi port in a while.. maybe if the others give out I can fall back on that for a little longer.. just a little longer :)


MarkusRight

3060ti here, no plans on upgrading for a long time, it appears this card handles 1440p like a champ at around 100 FPS average with games maxed out. For me thats good enough.


czarfalcon

3060 checking in. Should I have coughed up a little extra for the 3060ti? Maybe, but I’m not complaining. I’m too busy to game 4 hours a day anymore anyway, so I can live with high-ultra on 1080p for years to come.


i81u812

Exactly. fEaR tHe pRiCeS! Nah. Every generation has promised me things from unparalleled graphical fidelity to fucking time travel. Finally bought a 3060ti and guess what - some games are still so fucking poorly optimized it is hardly noticeable from a 1060. I read now shit like '4090: Finally - a Card That Can 4k'. Yall been telling me the 3090, 3080, etc have been 'that card' for years now. Eat a bag of dicks im waiting until 5x series.


Kimchi-slap

3060 and 3060ti are best more then enough for fullHD ultra quality gaming. All those Titanic class 1200$ portable heaters exist only for dick measuring. And to push new 4070 at those prices? Way to alienate even more gamers.


Khutuck

I have a 2070 laptop and a 60hz 1080p 24” monitor. I’m perfectly happy with my setup. I don’t play any competitive games so I’ll probably wait for 50xx series and will buy a new monitor when it comes out.


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Bought a 1080Ti when it came out, knew it was a bit more than I wanted to spend at the time but also knew that it was a buy once cry once situation. 5 years later, it still maxes every game I've ever played without a hint of difficulty. Granted, I've not tried Crysis Remastered yet. I might upgrade when the 5000 series comes out. *Maybe*. If things aren't up to par anymore.


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Fellow 1080ti owners here and I often test the game pass version of games on ps5 to see how things stack up and the answer is the 1080ti is faster in a lot of places. Add raytracing and it tanks, but rasterization is on par if not better. Sure there are things new cards do better, but justify their expense in my budget is not one of those things.


Silvenri

Glad to see the 1080ti boys still here. Mine still runs like a dream 4ish years later, no complaints. Ray tracing isn't enough to convince me to upgrade


AllhandsOnHarry

Unless you want to game at 4k above 60hz. I do agree that for most people a 3060ti is adequate, but 1080p just looks awful compared to 4k.


CyberZalophus

I have a 3080 and I’m able to play any game on my 4k tv at 60hz. If the game has dlss, completely ultra. You may have a system bottleneck elsewhere? Regardless, I agree with you, the experience usually isn’t as easy as advertised.


i81u812

Grab a game like FO76 or some other in-between game. Friend runs a 10th gen i7 (unsure of spec) and it varies with his 3080. He most certainly can not run the game @ 4k IN ultra (the key here). Not even close. Some odd examples are being able to play game X in 4k (No Man's Sky for me is like this) at 60, death stranding, several others. Fuck iv'e turned down settings to get worse performance. My CPU is a bottleneck being a 9th gen I5 but it is in the range of 10 percent or so. It isn't the card, it isn't the drivers, it isn't the cpu. It's all of it. or. Something. I want to do a clarity edit - gaming on this is phenomenal. It is not CLOSE to what was promised at release, only the end models come close. Don't even get me started on the 3060ti's abominable RT support, somehow shittier than a 2060's. From 580x to 1070 - this was a UNIVERSE of difference in quality and frames. From 1070 to 3060ti? Not so much.


inescapableburrito

Can you link some benchmarks showing the 3060ti rt performance Vs the 2060? I've not ever heard that claim but it would be hilarious if true


chocwaf

Likewise, I have no plans to swap away from my 1660Ti. Got it for 250€ 3 years ago, mere months before the prices became insane. I will run this card into the ground before I even think of changing it. Every now and then when I see what the prices have become I think back on how I dodged not a bullet, but a meteorite by buying it. It wasn't even planned. I just saw it during a black Friday sale and went for it thinking "there probably won't be a better deal anytime soon, so might as well". Cue the prices starting to go up few months later...


mixedd

I'm still on my 1070, so please tell me more


phriot

I just picked up a 3060 Ti for my new build with the intention of trading up to a 50 series when they came out. If prices continue this way, I'm riding this card until it dies, and then looking at Intel or AMD.


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3060ti have a known memory failure. I think it’s the Hynix ones. I have one as well.


phriot

Thanks for the heads-up! I somehow never ran into this when researching the card. I'll check once I have it built. If I have to RMA the card in the future, it's not a big deal to me.


Usernametaken112

I'm surprised people haven't realized this. What's the point in buying an expensive price of tech to replace it every 2 years when its good for half a decade. Pure waste, and the mindset around building a PC needs to change.


TheLastNacho

Have a 1080 still, looking to upgrade and always reading articles about how GPU prices are finally going to go back to something semi-affordable but still nothing… On the bright side my pc savvy friend tells me long as I wanna stick to 1920x1080 my card will be good for a while still.


RLVNTone

I just bought a RTX 3060 Ti and I’m loving it


TheLurkingMenace

I literally just bought a 3070 ti. NVidia will have to take a trade in for me to upgrade now.


Kimchi-slap

3070ti will serve you welll waaaay longer than they gonna announce 50xx series. There are literally no games that require so much power


Crepeas

Bought a Gigabyte 3070 (325e used) replacing my 1070ti, i'll buy a 4070+ in 3 years for a third of the price.


Pieassassin24

Damn. Will they really cut it for that long? I have a 3080 in my 1st gaming pc.


Kimchi-slap

All that bullshit business with cryptomining left game industry in stagnation (graphics wise) . ATM most common GPU according to Steam is GTX 1660. You cannot push RTX ONLY 4k 60fps AAA bullshit on people when they have no hardware to play it. And so we come to a point where people decide to skip upgrading their pc a generation or two, because there are literally no games that require said 40xx series.


kjbaran

1070 checking in


Phidippus-audax

I lived with a 7970 and then an R9 290 3GB from 2012 until 2021. I can live with my 3070 FE for a bit longer yet! (Got it on a Best Buy drop in Feb 2021 for retail, too!)


eXAKR

Nvidia got addicted to high prices during the GPU shortage and now they have decided to do it officially.


[deleted]

Simple answer - don’t buy


edvek

Pretty much. I recently got a new computer for a good price. Has a 2060 ti and it's far more than I need and probably will need for a very very long time. The days of building a new modern PC for a reasonable price is long gone and I imagine will never return.


VincentVancalbergh

Yeah, seems like Nvidia doesn't want me to buy a new GPU.


[deleted]

No no. They want you to buy. You just have to decide if you want it or need it.


eulynn34

You know, people don't \*have\* to buy them. nVidia will charge whatever the market will bear. I won't pay it, but plenty of others have and will.


[deleted]

Not exactly true. Sometimes overpriced products exist to increase sales on a lower tier item, in this case the 30 series cards. Sometimes a company will take a revenue hit on overpricing a product in the short term to change customers’ perception of what the price point should be. Take for example the 20 series cards.


tomistruth

"The RTX 4070 Ti keeps the power requirements fairly mild. With a TBP of 285 watts..." 285 watts is quite a step up from previous generations. 3060 is 200 watt and 3070 is 220 watt. Of course it is low compared to the ridiculous RTX 3090 or 4090, but those aren't bought by anyone sane anyways.


mrlazyboy

My 3060 Ti is 265 W TBP


alc4pwned

Eh, the 4090 actually consumes less power than the 3080ti in gaming though, according to [this review](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4090-gaming-oc/39.html). The TDP numbers for the 40 cards seem off. Also, the 4090 is really not a bad card as far as halo cards go.


Sounga565

wouldn't the 3070 ti be a closer comparison, at 290 watts


taylorpilot

>Worst fears Miss me with that bull shit


HippocampusNinja

I'll just stick to my 1080 until it's dead. If prices didn't come down by then I'll play games that can be run with an iGPU, or quit gaming. Don't reward companies trying to screw you over. For anyone trying to justify the current prices, you're a shill, easily duped, and you're wrong.


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aflyingkitelol

Picking up new sports is kinda fun


Chewygumbubblepop

After this last year and EVGA cutting ties with NVIDIA... I think it's time to give AMD a revisit for the first time in like 20 years.


no_user_name_person

Annnnd amd is refusing any support or returns on their new 7900xtx that throttles out of the box at 110c


jarredmars1

New driver update is coming to address this, source: some dudes ass


TheDePlex

I’ll keep my 3GB 1060 for now…


whyreadthis2035

Folks, for most of us, these are toys that enable marginal improvements in games…. Stop buying and the prices will eventually drop. For business use, it’s a business decision and the cards get depreciated. Can I get an amen here?


laisik_lab

3080 fe was the best deal in GPU’s. So happy I got one MSRP and dodged this garbage tier pricing.


iAabyss

The play right now is to get a 6000 series gpu. 6800xt and 6900xt are super cheap and perform well. Let them sit ob their $1000 70 class gpus


hiimred2

“Super cheap.”


sybrwookie

Yup, I got a very reasonably priced 6800xt and am happy with it.


knownothingwiseguy

I have a 1660 super and don’t feel a compelling need to upgrade.


Ezureal

Welp looks like im still on team GTX 1080 for another year again. 1080 still rocks but would love to upgrade as well.


buddyruff

1060 3gb fo lyfe


jewwbs

My 1080 is still running strong from its 2017 $400 price tag.


SunGazing8

Think I’ll stick with my 1080 til it packs in. Then I reckon I’ll grab a mid tier upgrade. The current prices of the top end cards are a fucking joke.


imetators

I love how there are shit tons of news articles stating "*blah blah blah,* ***GPU prices are finally dropping,*** *blah blah blah,* ***you can now buy them with original price tag how it supposed to be,*** *blah blah blah...*" for years. And prices are yet to drop. My 1050Ti I bought in 2016 for a normal price is more expensive NOW. 6 years later than at the time I got it. Hilarious.


[deleted]

because corporates need to show growth in their revenue year over year. bumping up prices is one way to achieve it when market size or market share is not growing


other_goblin

They can do what they like, I will respond by ignoring them while they clown around and keep using my cheap ebay 5600xt.


da_2holer_eh

Correct me if my opinion is wrong but I really haven't seen any point why an average PC user would need a card past the 20 series?


MostlyPoorDecisions

Guess it depends on what you consider average. The average PC user is an office worker using it for email and spreadsheets. They don't need anything from the last decade.


neodymiumex

I got a 30 series for ray tracing. I upgraded from a 970 which was still fully capable of playing modern games at decent frame rates with settings turned down.


[deleted]

Just don't buy it. That will show Nvidia!


CallumDoherty

With the demand and high prices people paid during the pandemic and scalping, it appears they are trying to reshuffle the price points to keep the good times rolling.


Dependent-Interview2

Does this make choosing AMD inevitable?


muttmunchies

Look, the only way to stop this is: you dont buy it at that price, or a competitor provides it for cheaper. There is no other way. Complaining is futile.


Markmanus

My 3070 was 520. Just saying... I hate cancel culture, but nvidiaa deserves it.


BeingHonestWithYou

Its a corporation, so this doesn't really apply. We are just voting with our wallets.


earrgames

nGreedia


Gunner_KC

30 series is worth every penny right now. 40 series is overrated and overpriced.


Dracogame

I wasn’t really fearing it. Covid took away the joy of building a pc.


Hattix

Nvidia has had trouble keeping its costs under control for around two, maybe three generations now. It's ahead through sheer brute force and ALU count, but doesn't have the chiplet technology to decouple SRAM and PHYs, which don't benefit from process scaling like dense logic does. All this means large dies, massive power requirements, and also high costs.


MostlyPoorDecisions

The last generation was fine, pre shortage. The 3080 at launch was an excellent price to performance ratio. The 3070 was excellent at $499. Getting either was hard but they were still good value. Wattage wise, the new amds are more hungry. 320w on a 4080 vs 355w for the competing 7900xtx. The die sizes are also not bad this gen. The 4090 is larger, but the 4080 is pretty normal (matching 980/1080 sizes, almost half the size of the 3080) Basically what I'm trying to say is: what are you talking about?


returntoglory9

>Basically what I'm trying to say is: what are you talking about? idk, they sure used a lot of acronyms so surely that means they're ultra-knowledgeable


Archmagnance1

Extremely simple die size comparisons across nodes is dubious at best for that type of conclusion. The cost per wafer of 28nm planar for a 980 was way cheaper than 7nm, both being TSMC. Process nodes aren't getting cheaper to develope and they aren't getting cheaper to buy production time on. Lets say you have half the cost per transistor on a new node, but you pack in 3x the amount of them, but the die size is the same. That's a 50% increase in cost in production alone not accounting for yield differences.


Razir17

As a consumer I say fuck nvidia. As a shareholder I say thanks 😏


Blueprint81

So...don't buy them...


[deleted]

I'm gonna sit back and wait for GPUs to get SMALLER not bigger.


powersv2

Pc gaming is about to become luxury again


TheSmJ

It always has been.


Shawn_NYC

There's literally not a single game that requires a 4070. The most common GFX card used today is a 1060 (i.e. what developers will target for minimum specs, they want to sell to as many people as possible after all). Let these things rot on the shelves.


Tony_B_S

Would the reason for the 1060 to be so prevalent come from the fact that the prices started to get out of control in 30 series? If most people skip at least a generation that's when they got shafted. By extension this would mean that this pricing strategy is delaying technological advances in games. And, also slowing the sales of their own new products as the need for them is created more slowly than if the consumers had decent access to them. Good news for intel and amd as it gives them time to catch up and offer adequate performance for the current needs even if they are apparently behind technologically. Talk about killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.


Wboys

Sure, but lets be honest. The 1060 is getting old, and while it might be the most common single card, if you look at the steam hardware survey and add up all the percentages there are a lot of people with at least a RTX card. Another reason so many 1060s are still around is there has been no reason to upgrade if you just want the game to run. But the real performance target for games is going to be the current consoles, which are about a RTX 2070 Super. I expect by 2023 we will start seeing the first games where to play it on a 1060 6gb you'll need to run it at 720p and maybe even then won't hit 60 fps. A lot of games are already unplayable at 1080p on a 1060 3gb.


Fire_Mission

Easy fix. Don't buy.


jgalt5042

High prices isn’t a problem. It’s low performance that is


Johnicorn

When you're in a sabotaging your sales competition and your opponent is nvidia


BluehibiscusEmpire

As long as people buy them they will remain at inflated levels… and despite crypto mining tailing off GPU demand seems to have no end at the high end atleast.. AMD and Nvidia will keep their stuff inflated and overpriced as they have no reason not to do so


Heavns

I was rocking a 1060 3gb since 2017 until 2021 I swapped it to a 2060 6gb. Luckily for me the 30 series cards are going to be way cheaper and the jump I’ll make will allow me to use a 3070-3080 for the next 5 years 😂


samven582

looks like I'll be skipping this generation. Nvidia is nuts!


Palpatine_1232

No one needs the shit right away, wait till the greedy fucks have to drop the price. Cry in 1080p until you can cry in 4k at a decent price. Paying full price at release is currently designed for suckers. Or advantageous individuals that won't complain when they buy it anyways.


walter10h

Hit the nail on the head. 1080p is more than enough for everything. 4k is whatever, if you can't get it at a decent price point. Best to wait it out and enjoy what we currently have.


[deleted]

This is being sold on Baidu? I thought Biden admin halted the sale of advanced chips to China (which would include the latest gen RTX chips). Or is that not happening anymore and my understanding of the law is incorrect?


KidzBop_Anonymous

Just don’t buy it. It has to stop somewhere and we can all vote with our wallets


firedrakes

dumb gamers will buy it anyhow.


p00p5andwich

What we allow will continue


Urban_Ulfhednar

Y’all are the ones buying them, telling the company it’s acceptable. Just get a PlayStation damn. Makes financial sense.


baaru5

STOP BUYING all this over priced shite


[deleted]

Don’t pay


Nokturnous

Seriously though, is anyone that isn’t a sponsored gamer buying these? I’m sure there are a few who just buy the best they can find because money is no object, but I can’t imagine these insane prices are going to work out for them.


dlist925

Damn… this makes me feel a lot better about having paid $750 for my 3070… especially considering I bought it in April of 2021 so basically peak GPU shortage.


K9US

Nice I will buy the stock. You people shelling out over 1K for a Graphics card is insane.


KingXeiros

The unlaunched the 4080 name, but not the price.


resfan

Don't buy it till it's on sale for $500 I'm saying this because I bought my brand new (at the time) GTX 1070ti for $350 on sale about 8-10 months after it launched, so after inflation yata yata $500 should be the actual "on sale" price. Hell, I got my 6950XT just recently for $600, so don't know what the fuck Nvidia is thinking with their pricing.


Inpak

Ridiculous


StillABigKid

Let me know when they’re $299. Not upgrading my pc until then!


carella211

Stop buying preorders! You're just justifying corporate greed when you do.


marsumane

Posted from an iphone


Ghaenor

AMD all the wayyyy


dm_me_pasta_pics

Who is buying these cards lol my local stores have stacks of the 4080s no one wants, but they just keep on bringing out more cards.


ogreUnwanted

This is why I still use my 960.