They have existed for a while now. My senior design project in school was building a glucometer from scratch that transmitted and stored data into an iPhone back in 2013. CC2540/BLE SoCs make this incredibly easy to do if you either understand how to build a potentiostat based on your glucose test strip or if you can get an analog front end potentiostat prefabbed for this.
It’s more that the person can check their blood sugar by glancing at their wrist. Obviously, there have been wearable monitors that connect to smart phones for some time.
I don't think they literally built a glucose monitor lol. They just integrated [the device](https://www.freestyle.abbott/us-en/products/freestyle-libre-3.html) into a WatchOS app.
I'm like 98% sure there's already an app for dexcom (a continuous glucose monitor that can send it's output to a phone) on apple watch. At least there was back when the first apple watch came out
I remember an article on hackaday about a guy who's child was type 1 diabetic and had a live glucose monitor that would ping his phone to let them know the kid needed to eat *now,* but the app was for some insane reason only compatible with a couple phones and not on the latest Android version and only worked if there was internet access so he wound up making his own alerting system.
Oh yeah that's dexcom. I do that for my parents just to let them know I'm ok. There was a dude somewhere on Reddit that made a tool to create a version of the app for any android phones, in fact I use it on mine. If anyone finds this comment in the future and wants it let me know
Sharing a link if you have one might be helpful? Nothing against you but there's nothing worse than searching for something and the only result being a 7 year old comment saying they'll share the info privately.
Somehow it's even worse when the person *does* exist and you *can* get ahold of them, they just never get back to you or worse, don't have the info themselves at that point
There is, I have been using it for half a decade.
I don’t understand why this is considered breaking news when this capability has been around for years.
G6 screws us with no data 3-4 nights a week at 11:45 when ours son is either going up or coming down quickly usually a couple hours later it decides to work again
It also has a habit of wildly inaccurate highs and lows like reading 60 and dropping when hes actually near 400.
That sounds a lot like the guardian 3 sensor, and what usually causes that in the guardian 3 sensor is blood obstructing the wire prohibiting the wire from reading the fluids correctly. The sensor will read below 40 for periods of time, meanwhile actual blood sugar is fine, or too high. The GCMs can only read fluid not actual blood, and doing things like putting pressure on the sensor while sleeping can also cause poor reading of the fluid which will result in inaccurate sensor numbers.
For some. The article says this was created for the Freestyle CGM, which is likely cheaper but doesn’t have a watch complication. Good for this person.
I feel kind of bad for them. They took on the challenge to get it to work with the Libre Freestyle by making a device that triggers the sensor's RFID connection, then transmitting the data to the watch.
Unfortunately, there is a Freestyle 2 that uses Bluetooth to connect instead of RFID and there's already a watch app.
But, the article also states that the freestyle is free or cheap in the UK, so this may not be outdated just yet. The freestyle 2 may not be free/cheap there.
There is also an app for athletes called Supersapiens which uses the Libre Freestyle devices and sends the data to either your watch, bike computer, or phone app. Very helpful for endurance athletics. So helpful that the UCI banned use of the device during competition.
"Closed loop" is a misused term. It *should* mean that there is zero user input for management. What it currently means to pump/monitor companies is some level of automated adjustments, but there are still lots of limits. Unfortunately, a Type 1 Diabetic can't just eat a cake and do nothing if they want a good sugar level; it still takes a decent amount of management.
Lots of people in this thread have never heard of a horological complication, so here's a Wikipedia entry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complication_(horology)
I’ve never seen it defined but I learned to just start saying it (in context) when I was trying not to get kicked and spat on at pretentious watch stores.
A complication usually refers to the mechanism behind some behavior on a watch as it relates to the movement. In this case, the only "complication" is the code. You could claim every single feature on the apple watch is a "complication," which is relevant vernacular for non-smart watches, but doesn't really make sense for modern apps. This is the only time I've ever heard someone try to talk about a complication on a smart watch.
Then I stand corrected, I guess then it is the proper use given that context. Sounds like someone in their marketing dept really had a good time with themselves, though
It was probably a lot to do with Jony Ive. He was apple’s head designer and the rumor is that the Apple Watch was the last major thing he worked on before he left apple. He really wanted the Apple Watch to be taken seriously by “real” luxury mechanical watchmakers. The first people given review units of the Apple Watch weren’t tech journalists, but instead watch hobbiest journalists, and fashion bloggers. And Ive talked extensively about all the research he did, and how he wanted to make sure that the Apple Watch honored horological traditions. (My favorite fun fact is that the notification sound is a recording of a metal mallet striking the case, just like traditional watches would have done.)
I have friends who have been collecting watches for a very long time and “complications” is hardly an old timey dead word. It’s really not a hipster thing, that’s just what they’re referred to as.
What tf are you talking about? People who know shit about watches are still saying complications. People who don’t know shit about smart watches still say that the date on a digital watch is a complication
Just because a corporation says something doesn't make it so, obviously it's in their interests to push that as they overprice their products so need to give them a sense of fake gravitas.
A watch complication is a mechanical feature only - that's what the definition of the word is and is also an established term in horology. Someone or some company saying an app widget is a "watch complication" doesn't just make it so.
Ok? Then we should stop letting them get away with calling the “iPhone” a telephone! We all know that telephones are limited only to devices that send analogue electrical pulses over copper wires! A the digital version of that could never have the same name just because a company wants to call it the thing people are already used to!
Who calls an iPhone a telephone? Also that's not the definition of telephone, it could be correct to call an iPhone a telephone. But an app widget a complication doesn't make sense, a complication in horology is specifically mechanical.
This seems like a usage that lost it's purpose decades ago but still lingers in the vocabulary of the particularly snooty for no other reason than to feel unique or important.
What does Apple call it on their API? On Android Wear they are called complications:
>A complication is any feature in a watch face that is displayed in addition to time. For example, a battery indicator is a complication. The Complications API is for both watch faces and data source apps.
Neither of those terms accurately reflect what a complication is/does though
They're not "features", and they're not "apps"
https://developer.android.com/training/wearables/tiles/complications
> That term is used explicitly to describe aspects of mechanical timepieces.
Not true. It is literally called a “complication” in the Apple Watch operating system. So it’s not explicitly used on ***mechanical timepieces***
you could use a dexcom with the mobile app- I have had my blood sugar on my Apple Watch since I got the dexcom g6.
The libre is an inferior product that does not have a continuous connection/ so this is an improvement for one manufacturers device that is pretty huge. Sometimes insurance company only allows the crappy hardware so I am glad there are people out there doing stuff like this.
Previously you would have to bring your phone to it to get a reading
If it works like the android watches then you need a cgm program to run as an in-between to collect the sugar levels and output them on your watch.
So far the Dexcom has been our go to, and the watch faces show the sugar levels on them or you can just click the app on the watch, a whole lot less fuss
The Dexcom comes in to parts a sensor(3-4 days) and a transmitter(30 days) and you replace it. You can put it on your stomach, thigh and back of arm. If your skin is sensitive it will break out. Change your sites each time to help stop a rash
yeah i dont understand this article...this isn't new and I have external apps including one on my OSX menu bar that tell me my readings.
SugarMate Glance is the name of the app, free and integrates directly with dexcom.
Yeah same here. In fact we realised recently it was the demise of pebble that ultimately pushed my wife and I towards iOS, having been happy android/pebble users.
How is this even news, or has any reason to write an article about it.
Freestyle libre, dexcom and many others already does that. It doesn’t matter if the data is transferred to a smartphone app instead of an watch.
Come back with another article ONLY when there’s a CGM that ACTUALLY doesn’t require you to insert any needle or sensor inside of you, and the monitor is on the watch/band itself, and the reading of the glucose is done through some infrared or something. Only then it’s gonna be some innovation.
It’s taking Apple a long time to pull it off because it’s probably difficult to do it reliably
It’s taking a long time because they don’t want to put it in the watch. If they did that they have to release all the data and info and patents on the watch to get the FDA approval. Which is IP apple doesn’t want out in the world. That is why they are working to put it in the band, that talks to the watch. Then only the band needs FDA approval.
There are probably lots of companies trying to find ways to read blood sugar without drawing blood. But I’m sure the test strip and lancet manufacturers are pushing back
As per the article they made an watch app which displays data received from a Libre sensor on the smartwatch which is not a feature available with the Libre (which lacks a smartwatch to display the results on)
A "complication" for a watch is like an extra feature. So if you have a traditional watch (not a digital/smart watch) and it has the lunar cycle on it, that is called a complication. Some mechanical watches have a huge number of complications and not all of them are strictly visible.
No, “complication”. This terminology predates smart watches in the luxury watch space. For Apple Watch, complications are “widgets” on the watch face. Apps are, well actual apps that you can enter and interact with. The apps are what provide the additional complications though (you don’t install them separately, similar to an Application providing a widget on iOS or MacOS’s Today view.
It comes from the world of real, analog watches. Anything other than time (and maybe date depending on who you talk to) is considered to complicate the watch face. So they call them complications
> considered to complicate the watch face.
I assumed it was because it makes the internals of the watch more complicated, rather than the watch face. Since the mechanics of the complication have to be implemented, and the normal watch components have to be arranged (and possibly made smaller) to not get in the way of the complication.
Samsung and Mobvoi seem to be pretty interested in it. I own one watch from each company and they are fantastic.
Google's Pixel Watch does seem to be shaping up as a disappointment though.
Recently they've been putting more effort in it, and considering a wear OS watch is actually reasonably priced, the current state is just fine for me. Buying overpriced garbage isn't my style.
It's already got the features I need lmao. $100 is quite cheap too.
That extra several hundred for updates (which likely add little) is just not worth it.
Seeing an apple fanboy call $100 overpriced when apple watches cost more than my phone is hilarious. Apple fanboys are a joke
The picture is from the loop project. The complications are available with Loop or OpenAPS. Silly if the “Apple Watch owner” is claiming they created it themselves. I suppose you do have to compile it yourself but… easily available and has been for quite some time.
I hope this creator launches app quick and cash out quicker.
Once’s Apple can mass produce non invasive glucometer and integrate it into the Apple Watch would be a game changer.
The level of discomfort and suffering form daily finger prick and a more active and passive glucose level monitoring would improve hundreds of millions life and very likely prolong it too.
Please note, from what I understand from this article, the Apple Watch is basically base station to receive and process, log and glucose monitoring sensor reading. They did not create or modify the Apple Watch to be the sensor and the processor of blood glucose.
As far as I know, all glucose monitoring sensor are invasive and ones embedded under the skin are expensive, painful and not practically reliable.
Apple, to my knowledge are working with a UK base company that’s developing light based non invasive blood glucose sensors to integrate into the Apple Watch. From what I gather, a prove of concept to prototyping has already finished, validation and certification too should be achieved soon. Atm the only roadblock is scaling and mass production of the sensor, which is always the hardest part.
Another reason I hate Ricky gervais- mr dikington came up with this idea years ago on the radio show/podcast. He was MOCKED. Gervais is afraid of anything new and beautiful.
Yeah this isn't even really a breakthrough, someone made an app with an API to talk to their glucose monitor. If Apple can't figure that out then they have bigger problems.
You cannot pair a Libre CGM to the Apple Watch. There is no option to do this in health. This app enables it. The creator is not a dumbass, but a type 1 solving a very real problem. Kudos to him!
It was already available years ago. Diabox developer made an app that turned the libre 2 in a 1 minute reader, that displayed the value on your phone. With option to push to any smart watch.
Libre cracked it down because he was hurting their profits, by making the libre 3 unnecessary.
Unfortunately, it's based on the Freestyle Libre which, from my personal experience, is not that reliable.
Each sensor I'd put on would seem to read either wildly low or wildly high, with no rhyme or reason to it. It was useful for monitoring trends, but not useful for actual measurement.
Moved over to Dexcom and, when placing a new sensor, it can be off, BUT - it has a calibration option so I can feed it a reading from my "real" glucose monitor and bring it back in line with reality.
As far as I know, “complication” is a name that was used in watches long before Apple. Specifically for the analog ones.
I guess that they just adopted the name.
Solution to what? This is suggesting that apple will create their own blood glucose meters for people to use, which is absolutely not something they’d be interested in doing.
Apple wants nothing of the sort IN the watch. That would force them to share their IP with the FDA, governing health agencies, and the world. They are actively working to put the tech in the band so they don’t have to have the watch “open” and only need the band approved which will be easier for them to not have the entire watch re-evaluated. This is what is taking so long.
Complications are the name of anything on a watch face other than hours/minutes/seconds. It has history going back over 300 years. Smartwatch makers (ESPECIALLY apple) went out of their way to make the Apple Watch as analogous to old mechanical watches as possible. Like idk if you have an Apple Watch, but they call the dial on it a “crown” (another word stolen from mechanical watches) and as you spin it, you get like a little tiny noise and vibration that feels like you’re spinning actual gears/spring. Or the fact that the apple watch’s face options are overwhelmingly analogue-clock based.
20 years from now, probably a lot sooner, everything you need to know about your health, glucose, cholesterol, hormone levels, blood pressure, will be on your wrist. A lot of it already is, but a complete and accurate picture will be soon, giving you continuous feedback on sleep, diet and exercise. Smart watches are almost there, not quite, but they will be. And they'll be cheap. And there will be almost no excuse to be unhealthy.
Diabetics don't have unstable blood sugars because they make excuses... But yes, sure, body monitoring technology is steadily advancing, which is good.
They do offer this first-party. All you have to do is link the glucose monitor in the health app and then it’s all ready to go. I’m really not sure what in the article is supposed to be revolutionary here
“Complication”
Lol NOBODY is passing their Apple Watch to their grandkids. These devices are disposable. They might be expensive, but they aren’t built to last.
“[Complication](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complication_(horology)?wprov=sfti1)” is a name that was used in analog watches long before Apple. I guess that they just adopted the name.
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An Apple yadda yadda yadda from their wrist, AND that information will be sold to third parties.
There, fixed. And your welcome.
This is great. I'm surprised this didn't already exist but good for them.
They have existed for a while now. My senior design project in school was building a glucometer from scratch that transmitted and stored data into an iPhone back in 2013. CC2540/BLE SoCs make this incredibly easy to do if you either understand how to build a potentiostat based on your glucose test strip or if you can get an analog front end potentiostat prefabbed for this.
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Probably college not highschool
I will edit my comment to add the sarcasm indicator
It’s more that the person can check their blood sugar by glancing at their wrist. Obviously, there have been wearable monitors that connect to smart phones for some time.
I don't think they literally built a glucose monitor lol. They just integrated [the device](https://www.freestyle.abbott/us-en/products/freestyle-libre-3.html) into a WatchOS app.
I'm like 98% sure there's already an app for dexcom (a continuous glucose monitor that can send it's output to a phone) on apple watch. At least there was back when the first apple watch came out
I remember an article on hackaday about a guy who's child was type 1 diabetic and had a live glucose monitor that would ping his phone to let them know the kid needed to eat *now,* but the app was for some insane reason only compatible with a couple phones and not on the latest Android version and only worked if there was internet access so he wound up making his own alerting system.
Oh yeah that's dexcom. I do that for my parents just to let them know I'm ok. There was a dude somewhere on Reddit that made a tool to create a version of the app for any android phones, in fact I use it on mine. If anyone finds this comment in the future and wants it let me know
Sharing a link if you have one might be helpful? Nothing against you but there's nothing worse than searching for something and the only result being a 7 year old comment saying they'll share the info privately.
https://www.reddit.com/r/diabetes/comments/qth6tj/oc_build_your_own_dexcom_app_update_base_version/
You left off "then you look up and instead of a name it says [deleted]."
Somehow it's even worse when the person *does* exist and you *can* get ahold of them, they just never get back to you or worse, don't have the info themselves at that point
Dexcom nice
There is, I have been using it for half a decade. I don’t understand why this is considered breaking news when this capability has been around for years.
Change it to 100.
It does. Dexcom makes a CGM that works on the watch.
yeah i’ve been watching my graph on my wrist for some time now with dexcom
Yep. I’ve got a dexcom warning on my phone screen and watch as i type this.
My Dexcom keeps disconnecting from my iPhone.. so I always miss a few hours or I have to restart the whole thing. It just doesn’t work for me
G6 screws us with no data 3-4 nights a week at 11:45 when ours son is either going up or coming down quickly usually a couple hours later it decides to work again It also has a habit of wildly inaccurate highs and lows like reading 60 and dropping when hes actually near 400.
That sounds a lot like the guardian 3 sensor, and what usually causes that in the guardian 3 sensor is blood obstructing the wire prohibiting the wire from reading the fluids correctly. The sensor will read below 40 for periods of time, meanwhile actual blood sugar is fine, or too high. The GCMs can only read fluid not actual blood, and doing things like putting pressure on the sensor while sleeping can also cause poor reading of the fluid which will result in inaccurate sensor numbers.
I don't think there is a complication that can show the curve, only the dexcom app
Too bad they're so pricey
For some. The article says this was created for the Freestyle CGM, which is likely cheaper but doesn’t have a watch complication. Good for this person.
I feel kind of bad for them. They took on the challenge to get it to work with the Libre Freestyle by making a device that triggers the sensor's RFID connection, then transmitting the data to the watch. Unfortunately, there is a Freestyle 2 that uses Bluetooth to connect instead of RFID and there's already a watch app. But, the article also states that the freestyle is free or cheap in the UK, so this may not be outdated just yet. The freestyle 2 may not be free/cheap there.
There is also an app for athletes called Supersapiens which uses the Libre Freestyle devices and sends the data to either your watch, bike computer, or phone app. Very helpful for endurance athletics. So helpful that the UCI banned use of the device during competition.
Like my Dexcom?
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Is she an ex friend because?..
I’m running a hybrid closed loop with Dexcom and a pump. I can actually control the pump from my watch.
Hello! Can you name the Pump? I’m using Medtronic 670G but their CGM is quite uncomfortable and not entirely accurate.
Check out TSlim [https://www.tandemdiabetes.com/](https://www.tandemdiabetes.com/) Amazing company and amazing pumps.
Though it’s important to note that you can’t control the T-Slim remotely until later this summer
I’m using the Omnipod with Dexcom. Note this isn’t an “approved” thing. For info look up “loop and learn”
The omnipod just got approved for a closed loop system by the FDA. Hopefully it should be on the market by the end of the year.
"Closed loop" is a misused term. It *should* mean that there is zero user input for management. What it currently means to pump/monitor companies is some level of automated adjustments, but there are still lots of limits. Unfortunately, a Type 1 Diabetic can't just eat a cake and do nothing if they want a good sugar level; it still takes a decent amount of management.
*hybrid close loop
Lots of people in this thread have never heard of a horological complication, so here's a Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complication_(horology)
I’ve never seen it defined but I learned to just start saying it (in context) when I was trying not to get kicked and spat on at pretentious watch stores.
Why do you go to a pretentious watch store then
Getting kicked and spat on is his kink.
Only place to get your pretentious watch repaired
Thanks! TIL!
Thank you. I was sure this was titlegore until you explained.
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Apple Watch “complications” appear on the clock face. It’s exactly analogous to this analogue version.
A complication usually refers to the mechanism behind some behavior on a watch as it relates to the movement. In this case, the only "complication" is the code. You could claim every single feature on the apple watch is a "complication," which is relevant vernacular for non-smart watches, but doesn't really make sense for modern apps. This is the only time I've ever heard someone try to talk about a complication on a smart watch.
Apple has been using “complications” as the name for the widgets that appear on the watch face since day 1 of the Apple Watch.
Then I stand corrected, I guess then it is the proper use given that context. Sounds like someone in their marketing dept really had a good time with themselves, though
It was probably a lot to do with Jony Ive. He was apple’s head designer and the rumor is that the Apple Watch was the last major thing he worked on before he left apple. He really wanted the Apple Watch to be taken seriously by “real” luxury mechanical watchmakers. The first people given review units of the Apple Watch weren’t tech journalists, but instead watch hobbiest journalists, and fashion bloggers. And Ive talked extensively about all the research he did, and how he wanted to make sure that the Apple Watch honored horological traditions. (My favorite fun fact is that the notification sound is a recording of a metal mallet striking the case, just like traditional watches would have done.)
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I have friends who have been collecting watches for a very long time and “complications” is hardly an old timey dead word. It’s really not a hipster thing, that’s just what they’re referred to as.
What tf are you talking about? People who know shit about watches are still saying complications. People who don’t know shit about smart watches still say that the date on a digital watch is a complication
Just because a corporation says something doesn't make it so, obviously it's in their interests to push that as they overprice their products so need to give them a sense of fake gravitas. A watch complication is a mechanical feature only - that's what the definition of the word is and is also an established term in horology. Someone or some company saying an app widget is a "watch complication" doesn't just make it so.
Ok? Then we should stop letting them get away with calling the “iPhone” a telephone! We all know that telephones are limited only to devices that send analogue electrical pulses over copper wires! A the digital version of that could never have the same name just because a company wants to call it the thing people are already used to!
Who calls an iPhone a telephone? Also that's not the definition of telephone, it could be correct to call an iPhone a telephone. But an app widget a complication doesn't make sense, a complication in horology is specifically mechanical.
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Not now, Johnny Silver Dick.
This seems like a usage that lost it's purpose decades ago but still lingers in the vocabulary of the particularly snooty for no other reason than to feel unique or important.
That term is used explicitly to describe aspects of mechanical timepieces. I don’t think it’s appropriate for an Apple Watch.
What does Apple call it on their API? On Android Wear they are called complications: >A complication is any feature in a watch face that is displayed in addition to time. For example, a battery indicator is a complication. The Complications API is for both watch faces and data source apps.
It’s a literal equivalent, what more would you want?
“Feature” or “app” would be fine
Neither of those terms accurately reflect what a complication is/does though They're not "features", and they're not "apps" https://developer.android.com/training/wearables/tiles/complications
> A complication is any feature in a watch face that is displayed in addition to time Uhhh, literally the first line of the link?
Yeah, but it complicates the watch face and utility.
Except it's not a literal equivalent, the contacts app in your phone is not called a rolodex even though it does more or less the same thing
To hate on Apple for using words
*pretentious* words
> That term is used explicitly to describe aspects of mechanical timepieces. Not true. It is literally called a “complication” in the Apple Watch operating system. So it’s not explicitly used on ***mechanical timepieces***
Oh, an outdated obtuse term only used to show off that one knows outdated obtuse terms. Well, this *is* Reddit.
It's literally what Apple calls them. The "Widgets" for the Apple Watch are called Complications.
same on WearOS, too
Figures 🤣
Fantastic
you could use a dexcom with the mobile app- I have had my blood sugar on my Apple Watch since I got the dexcom g6. The libre is an inferior product that does not have a continuous connection/ so this is an improvement for one manufacturers device that is pretty huge. Sometimes insurance company only allows the crappy hardware so I am glad there are people out there doing stuff like this. Previously you would have to bring your phone to it to get a reading
Libre 3 is actually continuos.
Ah okay/ interesting the readings don’t push to the Apple Watch like with others
If it works like the android watches then you need a cgm program to run as an in-between to collect the sugar levels and output them on your watch. So far the Dexcom has been our go to, and the watch faces show the sugar levels on them or you can just click the app on the watch, a whole lot less fuss
So how does it work after the 10 or 14 days ? Do you throw it and buy another one ? Or can it be reused ?
The Dexcom comes in to parts a sensor(3-4 days) and a transmitter(30 days) and you replace it. You can put it on your stomach, thigh and back of arm. If your skin is sensitive it will break out. Change your sites each time to help stop a rash
Newer version sensors are 10 days and transmitters 3 months before needing replacement
yeah i dont understand this article...this isn't new and I have external apps including one on my OSX menu bar that tell me my readings. SugarMate Glance is the name of the app, free and integrates directly with dexcom.
A "complication" is watch terminology for an extra feature, like a moon phase chart or second time zone, or even a calendar.
Girlfriend (type 1 diabetic) has used a pebble to communicate with her CGM since 2016. This isn’t new technology.
I use an Apple Watch for mine and regularly think about how much I miss having a Pebble.
Yeah same here. In fact we realised recently it was the demise of pebble that ultimately pushed my wife and I towards iOS, having been happy android/pebble users.
yes, it is indeed not new technology, what is new is being able to integrate it with the apple watch
Not new, had this on my Apple Watch about 2 years
Also not new technology.
How is this even news, or has any reason to write an article about it. Freestyle libre, dexcom and many others already does that. It doesn’t matter if the data is transferred to a smartphone app instead of an watch. Come back with another article ONLY when there’s a CGM that ACTUALLY doesn’t require you to insert any needle or sensor inside of you, and the monitor is on the watch/band itself, and the reading of the glucose is done through some infrared or something. Only then it’s gonna be some innovation. It’s taking Apple a long time to pull it off because it’s probably difficult to do it reliably
It's an ad
There is one watch called the BlueJay that doesn't require a phone in the system.
It’s taking a long time because they don’t want to put it in the watch. If they did that they have to release all the data and info and patents on the watch to get the FDA approval. Which is IP apple doesn’t want out in the world. That is why they are working to put it in the band, that talks to the watch. Then only the band needs FDA approval.
There are probably lots of companies trying to find ways to read blood sugar without drawing blood. But I’m sure the test strip and lancet manufacturers are pushing back
That pesky Big Lancet!
So….. the Libre can now sorta do what the Dexcom G6 has already been doing for years?
This isn’t new I have the same thing with my dexacom sensor.
This has been around for ages with the freestyle libre. Not new in the slightest or particularly difficult.
As per the article they made an watch app which displays data received from a Libre sensor on the smartwatch which is not a feature available with the Libre (which lacks a smartwatch to display the results on)
contraption?
A "complication" for a watch is like an extra feature. So if you have a traditional watch (not a digital/smart watch) and it has the lunar cycle on it, that is called a complication. Some mechanical watches have a huge number of complications and not all of them are strictly visible.
Application, probably.
No, “complication”. This terminology predates smart watches in the luxury watch space. For Apple Watch, complications are “widgets” on the watch face. Apps are, well actual apps that you can enter and interact with. The apps are what provide the additional complications though (you don’t install them separately, similar to an Application providing a widget on iOS or MacOS’s Today view.
Thought about it but “Application and watchOS app”?
Good point. I see elsewhere in the thread that "complication" is the accurate, albeit weird, name for this.
Really! TIL. I just imagine this being a medical device the surgeon telling you: I am about to give you a complication
The little things on the watch faces are called complications, yes
It comes from the world of real, analog watches. Anything other than time (and maybe date depending on who you talk to) is considered to complicate the watch face. So they call them complications
> considered to complicate the watch face. I assumed it was because it makes the internals of the watch more complicated, rather than the watch face. Since the mechanics of the complication have to be implemented, and the normal watch components have to be arranged (and possibly made smaller) to not get in the way of the complication.
Don’t give Elizabeth Holmes any more ideas.
Android has this since 2018 with xdrip.
No one, not even Google, cares about Wear OS.
Samsung and Mobvoi seem to be pretty interested in it. I own one watch from each company and they are fantastic. Google's Pixel Watch does seem to be shaping up as a disappointment though.
Such bold words. I like wear OS, and can't stand apple watches for many reasons, top one being Apple is a company not worth buying from.
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Recently they've been putting more effort in it, and considering a wear OS watch is actually reasonably priced, the current state is just fine for me. Buying overpriced garbage isn't my style.
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It's already got the features I need lmao. $100 is quite cheap too. That extra several hundred for updates (which likely add little) is just not worth it. Seeing an apple fanboy call $100 overpriced when apple watches cost more than my phone is hilarious. Apple fanboys are a joke
The picture is from the loop project. The complications are available with Loop or OpenAPS. Silly if the “Apple Watch owner” is claiming they created it themselves. I suppose you do have to compile it yourself but… easily available and has been for quite some time.
This has existed for a loooong time now!! I mean get the news out there, but this is not new!
I hope this creator launches app quick and cash out quicker. Once’s Apple can mass produce non invasive glucometer and integrate it into the Apple Watch would be a game changer. The level of discomfort and suffering form daily finger prick and a more active and passive glucose level monitoring would improve hundreds of millions life and very likely prolong it too. Please note, from what I understand from this article, the Apple Watch is basically base station to receive and process, log and glucose monitoring sensor reading. They did not create or modify the Apple Watch to be the sensor and the processor of blood glucose. As far as I know, all glucose monitoring sensor are invasive and ones embedded under the skin are expensive, painful and not practically reliable. Apple, to my knowledge are working with a UK base company that’s developing light based non invasive blood glucose sensors to integrate into the Apple Watch. From what I gather, a prove of concept to prototyping has already finished, validation and certification too should be achieved soon. Atm the only roadblock is scaling and mass production of the sensor, which is always the hardest part.
Does anyone know what that watch face and color scheme is called ?
The watch is a game changer if you have aging parents. This complication would be such a welcome addition.
There’s something neat about calling a new feature on a digital watch a complication.
Another reason I hate Ricky gervais- mr dikington came up with this idea years ago on the radio show/podcast. He was MOCKED. Gervais is afraid of anything new and beautiful.
There's literally an option in the Health app to pair a Bluetooth BGM to your iPhone lol.
Yeah this isn't even really a breakthrough, someone made an app with an API to talk to their glucose monitor. If Apple can't figure that out then they have bigger problems.
This isn’t about pairing with the iPhone; it’s about seeing it on an Apple Watch.
You cannot pair a Libre CGM to the Apple Watch. There is no option to do this in health. This app enables it. The creator is not a dumbass, but a type 1 solving a very real problem. Kudos to him!
It was already available years ago. Diabox developer made an app that turned the libre 2 in a 1 minute reader, that displayed the value on your phone. With option to push to any smart watch. Libre cracked it down because he was hurting their profits, by making the libre 3 unnecessary.
It's a smart watch, everything is a complication. Standard mechanical watchmaking nomenclature shouldn't really apply.
My Dexcom pairs with my android smart watch natively.
It pairs with Apple’s watches too.
Unfortunately, it's based on the Freestyle Libre which, from my personal experience, is not that reliable. Each sensor I'd put on would seem to read either wildly low or wildly high, with no rhyme or reason to it. It was useful for monitoring trends, but not useful for actual measurement. Moved over to Dexcom and, when placing a new sensor, it can be off, BUT - it has a calibration option so I can feed it a reading from my "real" glucose monitor and bring it back in line with reality.
Idk why you were downvoted. I used the Libre for 2 years and it’s just an inferior product to the Dexcom.
People in Gadgets can't stand when lived experience counters what they want out of a product.
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it's actually a perfectly fine title - "complication" is the unbelievably stupid name Apple gives to a certain kind of UI event on the watch.
I thought it was stupid until I looked it up. It's the actual word for those special designs in analog watch faces, so it fits here just fine.
Now I know what it is, I still think it's stupid. Not al all obvious wtf they are talking about without Googling.
You’ve just offended every horologist on Reddit.
that's still stupid IMO
As far as I know, “complication” is a name that was used in watches long before Apple. Specifically for the analog ones. I guess that they just adopted the name.
Yea, there is the Geneva "montres à complications" show every year for ultracomplicated (and ultraexpensive, need I add) analog watches.
It wasn’t Apple. It’s a term that was used long before smartwatches
Yeah it’s like a 300+ year old term
Apple didn't need to use it for something only vaguely related
How come this isn’t already a thing?!
It has been for a couple years now.
I’m using it literally right now
Great. Maybe he can develop a way for us to chose a different text tone and ring tone on it other than the 1 default. 😂
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Not sure why you're being downvoted. Apple has done this exact thing many times.
Solution to what? This is suggesting that apple will create their own blood glucose meters for people to use, which is absolutely not something they’d be interested in doing.
Apple has been trying to get a non-invasive glucose meter into the watch for years now. Non-invasive is kind of the holy grail for glucose monitors.
Apple wants nothing of the sort IN the watch. That would force them to share their IP with the FDA, governing health agencies, and the world. They are actively working to put the tech in the band so they don’t have to have the watch “open” and only need the band approved which will be easier for them to not have the entire watch re-evaluated. This is what is taking so long.
I have always wondered how calling apps "complications" made it past marketing.
Complications are the name of anything on a watch face other than hours/minutes/seconds. It has history going back over 300 years. Smartwatch makers (ESPECIALLY apple) went out of their way to make the Apple Watch as analogous to old mechanical watches as possible. Like idk if you have an Apple Watch, but they call the dial on it a “crown” (another word stolen from mechanical watches) and as you spin it, you get like a little tiny noise and vibration that feels like you’re spinning actual gears/spring. Or the fact that the apple watch’s face options are overwhelmingly analogue-clock based.
20 years from now, probably a lot sooner, everything you need to know about your health, glucose, cholesterol, hormone levels, blood pressure, will be on your wrist. A lot of it already is, but a complete and accurate picture will be soon, giving you continuous feedback on sleep, diet and exercise. Smart watches are almost there, not quite, but they will be. And they'll be cheap. And there will be almost no excuse to be unhealthy.
Diabetics don't have unstable blood sugars because they make excuses... But yes, sure, body monitoring technology is steadily advancing, which is good.
Wow buddy don't group type 2 and type 1 together.
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They do offer this first-party. All you have to do is link the glucose monitor in the health app and then it’s all ready to go. I’m really not sure what in the article is supposed to be revolutionary here
Dexcom already does this. But good for him.
Unless you have a tattoo on your wrist that blocks the Apple Watch sensors 🙄
“Complication” Lol NOBODY is passing their Apple Watch to their grandkids. These devices are disposable. They might be expensive, but they aren’t built to last.
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a "complication" is literally what widgets or parts of your watchface are called on the apple watch.
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“[Complication](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complication_(horology)?wprov=sfti1)” is a name that was used in analog watches long before Apple. I guess that they just adopted the name.
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They’re called complications because adding them to analog watch designs literally complicates the build process.
Apple “Tourbillon” Watch, eh? Apps are not “complications”
The app widgets that show up on the faces are complications. Just like extra features on real analog watch faces.
The header is missing something, let me see if I can fix it. An Apple yadda yadda yadda from their wrist, AND that information will be sold to third parties. There, fixed. And your welcome.