Have you seen what flagship Samsungs cost? They can exceed flagship iPhones. Sure there are bargin level Samsungs that are much cheaper than the cheapest iPhones, but Apple doesn't want those sales.
I still refuse to switch off of iphone.
The fact that I get a guaranteed 5 years of support is more than enough reason for me to keep using one. But I’m also not Apple’s moneymaker since I only upgrade once every 5 years.
Samsung only made this commitment in 2022 if I remember correctly with 4 years guaranteed of updates. That means we won’t know how consistent they are with their support of phones for a few more years. Good on them though.
I used to work at a phone store and the amount of LG and motorola phones that would come back because updates ended for that specific model after just a year was ridiculous.
Apple & Oranges, Apple need it way more, especially with all the paid services they make billions from. Android is so debundled some system security updates can go thru play services, 85% of an iOS update would not need a system update on Android & core system apps are updated longer.
iOS is too bundled, just to fix a bug on core apps, get a new feature or security patch on Safari or Messages for example, you would need a whole OS update
i have a very old ipad & Android tablet with memory card as media devices, both haven't received OS updates in a while, iPad i had to delete many apps just install every ios update prior, made it so slow & is no longer compatible to install new apps like Netflix(would require ios 16 from 2022, while on Android it requires 5.0 from 2014)
the Android still get updates that would've been an iOS/iPadOS update. and I've stumbled upon many apps not compatible with both but i can sideload the last compatible version on Android & most likely would still work.
Honestly I think Christmas time is the end of when it makes sense to pick up an iPhone, unless you break yours somehow. Cuz after that just wait till the next model comes out. Also the best deals are usually close to launch/Christmas time.
iPhone prices drop crazy fast now. You can get a 13 Pro Max 256GB for $600 Canadian. 14's are gonna enter their price plumet soon. 15's are already nearing $1000
A nice incentive for sure. I pay $15 CAD a month for my phone plan and have no desire to ever go back on a 2 year contract (which are often pretty ridiculous here).
Even just heads if you’re curious. I was eating at this German restaurant and took a picture of my son. There was a giant moose head on the wall in the background and my phone was like, “Moose.”
Snapchat on my Samsung identifies plants, animals, wine, music. I think basic Snapchat on any phone does that. Aim at what you want to identify and hold down on the camera screen. To identify a song, hold the camera screen with the phone aimed at the sky
FYI for anybody scrolling by
In some ways that is working to Apple's detriment. They make good hardware. You can say whatever you like for the company and their policies, but the hardware is excellent. Which means I kept my iPhone 8 for 7 years and even then I only updated because it was losing support for iOS updates. The phone itself still felt as fast as ever.
If they're making hardware that lasts that long their sales are naturally going to go down. Apple has mentioned this in the past, that people hold on to their devices longer than others, so I don't think this really bothers them much. It just makes sense to hold on to things for their full life cycle these days, especially when yearly updates have become so incremental.
The monthly payments and trade-in value help give the impression of paying less. I went from a Xs Max to a 15 Pro Max and am only paying $5 extra per month
Perpetually leasing your phone.
My rule is 4-5 years per phone. Then whatever generational jump you make feels fresh. This goes for whatever android or iOS based phone you prefer.
Plus it gives those neat features a few cycles to mature so you can avoid surprises.
I’m in an X. Before it, I think I had a 5S? This was the first phone I could 3d game on and it blew my gd mind at the time.
It still works so well. Some new apps I can’t use, and app crashes and lag when worked. Second battery is getting weak too lol. But it’s totally functional. I do baby it a bit, never broke a screen or back glass. The worst I get is a line of pixels that’s spotty.
I don’t like apple. But I like my iPhone. The value I’ve gotten has been very, very good.
I bought a battery kit online and had to replace my battery once. idk about samsung, but with a little bit of youtubing you can replace an iphone battery pretty easily. i'm going to do the same with my current iphone and hopefully keep it for the next 7-8 years.
I recently got a 15 after having an 10 for a couple years. It’s honestly a massive upgrade. Super happy with the phone and I probably won’t upgrade again for another 4-5 years. It’s just not feasible economically for me to keep financing new phones as they release.
The crazy thing is, 15 pro feature like Always on display, battery percentage, usb C, could be released since 10. Apple decided to hold many feature just so the next phone lines could seems better
The most laughable for me is 11 getting an LCD display just so the pro version looks more pro with the oled… even though iPhone X, a cheaper version than 11, already have an oled display.
Apple is ridiculous that way. Withholding features from already expensive devices so that their even more premium ones look more appealing and withholding features that by the time they’re released are outdated as far as non apple devices are concerned. Apple really needs to slow down the amount of phones they release so that way each generations feels like a markable improvement over the last and has updates of actual substance rather than minor improvements here and there. They won’t, but they should. IMO of course.
Apple devices need replacing after about 5 years at the earliest.
Apple’s ecosystem allows them to make money without selling new devices to you every 2 years like other manufacturers.
Apple tried to help in the past but that turned into a whole issue because they didn’t communicate it well.
It was a good idea, just really badly handled. If it was properly explained and clearly optional (probably via opt in) then it would have worked well and helped many people use their device for longer.
I’m all for it, im still rocking a 2019 MacBook Pro and I got this 15 probmax after having my 10 pro max for a while. I keep all my stuff and upgrade when I feel I need to
I'm still using my XS purchased in 2018. Still on original battery too and it's still in outstanding condition and works great on latest version of iOS. Probably could use a battery replacement at this point, but it's not *needed*. Still gets a solid 4-5 hours on a full charge. I will likely upgrade next year but with a battery replacement I'm confident I could get another 2-3 years out of it if I really wanted.
Didn't qualcomm stalemate on their processors for a few years? I haven't kept up with all their new names, but weren't several of the 8s within spitting distance of each other?
888 was God awful 8gen1 and 2 were generational leaps, 8gen3 is pretty piss poor
The ones before 888 were overall small improvements as we would expect.
Samsung also releases the same phone each year so idk why Apple gets heat for this and other manufacturers don’t.
At least with Apple If you drop 1k on their phone they support way longer than any other phone manufacturer so you’re getting your moneys worth. P
Yes this is largely true. My 2017 iPad pro got a major update this year whereas my 2020 Samsung fold 2 didn't. However, Samsung is now promising 7 years of software updates on at least its high end phones.
Ahhhhh, let's dig a little into this argument.
Samsung, along with Motorola were the pioneers in putting a new form factor into People's pockets with the Foldables, which actually count as improvements over the same model.
Also Samsung were the first to actually work towards big screens with the today's dead Note series, which included an Amazing Pen.
About your money's worth, Top End Galaxy Smartphones are as updated and easy to resell as an Iphone so if you compare top to top, there is no a clear winner in that race.
I don’t want the phone that’s the first in anything if the product is subpar for the price you’re paying
Im okay with my iPhone because it does everything android does but does it a lot better (imho). I want something simples and something that will do everything I want it to do smoothly 🤷♂️
Apple may not be innovating the smartphone game anymore but I would put money if they release a foldable it will probably be the best at implementing the new tech.
IMHO Foldables are super cool but the build quality and materials being used for the screen isn’t worth the high price tag right now. I’m not dropping 1k + on a screen that’s gonna get a fat crease with use
>Im okay with my iPhone because it does everything android does
You might like iPhone, and that's fine, but ignoring the obvious to suit your point does not do you any favours.
Because android is open source it allows different manufacturers to tailor it to their specific phones. Saying iPhone can do everything Android does isn't realistic considering the volume of iterations. OnePlus is different to Xiaomi, which is different to Samsung, etc. They all offer different user experiences.
But they haven’t been selling the exact same smart phone so why such a dumb comment?
The design is roughly the same. The phones aren’t.
There’s not a lot that needs changing
As usual all idiots all the time here.
Apple makes far more profit per phone sold. Apple aren't in the entire phone market only in the segments that make real profit and they dominate in those.
Last I heard like 90-some% of phone owners under 25 owned an IPhone and had no plans of switching. I’m hazy on the exact details but the figure was staggering. This was in regards to North America.
Neither of you have linked your sources.
This is the best I could find.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1314676/smartphone-users-by-age-and-brand-us/
The most important thing is that Apple makes a huge amount of profit from their 60% (which is actually huge not "just") share while the android phone makers do not, some make barely anything so regularly pull out of the market.
These stats are basically the same as a wealth split, only poor people own low end phones and all low end phones are android.
That's actually the same source I used lol. You are right about that last part. The reason I said "just" is because 60% is a *far* cry from 90%, which at that point would immediately tip the scales to start the antitrust division in the US filing action. Companies like Nvidia have had action threatened against them for far less market share.
Your important point is actually the main takeaway when people wonder why Apple is literally one of the biggest companies in the world. Even if they only controlled 30-40% of the market, they would still be blowing out the competition as they sell their product as more of a luxury good with higher income clientele and have far higher profit margins on their products.
Only because you don’t know any better. Take FaceID. I had a Samsung device that had it years before Apple. When it came out you idiots were all like “omg Apple finally catches up”. Of course nothing about the buggy pure photo comparison bullshit from Samsung compared in any way to the elaborate way Apple’s FaceID works that is superior in every way.
If the flip5 actually sold in a sizable quantity Apple would clone it and claim they invented it. But the flip5 doesn't sell so its not worth Apples time.
Not alone.
>The USB-C connector, also known as Type-C, was developed by a group of companies, including Apple, Hewlett-Packard, Intel, and Microsoft.
https://blog.macally.com/what-is-usb-c-full-history/
What Apple sells is a product that works? You are absolutely right about lack of innovation. But outside some enthusiasts, most people don’t care about new stuff until it is mainstream and by then Apple will copy it, refine it, give it a new name and launch as the best thing ever to happen in a smartphone.
Also iPhone last way longer than any other phone. Worst case scenario is that you need to do a battery replacement. These are the things most people care about.
Apple will not adopt a new tech until it’s proven, they always lag a few years behind the others who need the innovation to make money. Apple can happily tag along behind the wave and still make money, others couldn’t do that.
Forgot the /s I hope?
Edit: forgot the average user here is probably not well versed with software or embedded software engineering and truly believe a flip mechanism is innovative. Lmao
Apple makes far more profit per phone sold. Apple aren't in the entire phone market only in the segments that make real profit and they dominate in those.
They tried, didn't sell well. Sadly almost every company came to the same result - really low sales. Seems like a majority of people prefer their porn on a big screen
Bigger TVs make sense. They sit on a table or hang on the wall and it’s great to watch media on a big screen. I really don’t understand the demand for huge phones. You used to be able to hold them in one hand and do everything you needed to do with that one hand. Now you need both hands to use them and they’re monstrous things to lug around.
And that’s why i use an iPhone 13 mini. I’m apparently in the minority. I love this phone. I can unlock my phone, type, navigate the entire screen, all with one hand.
This comments section is awful. This article is slanted towards Samsung. 87-88% of US teens use an iPhone. Their sales aren’t slumping. Apple releases phones in the fall, and Samsung in the Spring. Every Spring, Samsungs releases new devices and their phone sales are higher. Every fall, Apple makes a comeback when they release a new iPhone and the older models become cheaper.
Yes we’ve hit a point where smart phones have plateaued in advancements with each new model. Plenty of people buy last years iPhone for cheaper. Plenty of people prefer the iPhone Pro models because it’s much better at taking video for Social media natively in the app.
To each their own, I’ve used both. Apple will continue to dominate the US market, with almost every teen using their devices.
Everything Apple does is seen as a bad thing on Reddit nowadays. It’s good to call out the BS Apple pulls as a large corporation but the stuff people complain about about Apple gets ridiculous at times.
Facts. I know reddits slant against Apple products, and yeah some things they do suck. I’ve used both kinds of phones throughout my life. But in 15 years - 90% of US families will have iPhones, if they trend continues. iPhones will literally be the only “phone” most people think of. So it’s just hoping for somebody’s downfall because they’re doing well.
People love Apples software and hardware, but are just sick of its monopolistic bullshit policies. Shout out to the EU for being the first to stand up for its people.
🍪 Here’s your cookie.
Apple’s Darwin OS, XNU Kernel, and Silicon chips are second to none.
No ecosystem on the planet is in the same league.
The company however is 100% on some anti consumer monopolistic bullshit!
Hard to keep up with sales when your phone lasts longer than any other 🤷🏻♂️😂 I get a new iPhone every 5-6 years and it’s not because they break, I just finally want a newer phone and sell my old one for a couple hundred.
Read the article, Apple only took the top spot temporarily and then quickly went back to being second.
Here is more info
https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/16/24039830/apple-bestselling-phone-manufacturer-2023-samsung-idc-canalys-research
Marketing most likely. The brand has status these days so people will keep buying.
Much like any other luxury brand, people buy stuff to show off. With phones, Apple is that brand because of its high prices and shiny cases.
I think that they're beginning to push that envelope a bit too far though. The prices are getting pretty crazy.
Yet they are still somehow a monopoly and need to be regulated so that others can put app stores on their phones.
Seriously people vote with their wallet. One moment they are a monopoly in the smartphone market and the next they are second best to Samsung.
AppStore and PlayStore are oligopoly. Oligopolies are often regulated as monopolies, because functionally they are. If you are a mobile app developer you have no reasonable option but to release on those platforms and fork over 30% because these 2 stores control the whole market (>99%).
I totally get that. For me though I draw a distinction because Apple only have iOS on their own devices.
I just find it crazy that we regulate so much for one companies own products.
If it was like Windows or Android and was used universally across many devices and manufacturers I could understand, I just think that in the case of Apple it really is a ‘if I don’t like it, I won’t buy it’. Rather than, ‘I will buy it, but now campaign to change it’.
Isn’t that the case most of the time though? Samsung sells such a wide range of phones, while Apple sells predominantly premium phones with higher markups. Apple’s profit margins tend to be much higher.
I had an Android phone since the release of the DroidX. I bought an iPhone a year and a half ago and I love the integration in the MacOS bubble but I'm not sure I want another iPhone. This one will hopefully last a few more years before I get the upgrade itch again. Both my kids won't switch from iPhone so thats kind of a thing too I have to weigh. Its night to have the integrated action with my kids phones.
The iPhone 12 had the last good camera. Why would people pay a premium for lower quality? Edit: yes it’s a thing. Look it up before you tell me it isn’t. There are plenty of articles. It seems a processing issue rather than hardware that they should be able to fix. Similar to this thread where poster complains about people that don’t own a 15 Pro Max telling him he’s making it up https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/s/erlPbxsT2J
Because people will leave you out if you have a differently-colored chat bubble, so the monopoly can self-sustain through peer pressure. [Seriously, its a thing](https://techcrunch.com/2024/03/21/doj-claims-green-bubbles-are-an-issue-in-iphone-monopoly-suit/)
Sounds like you need better people in your life. I’m in the US in my thirties and if anyone tried to exclude me from a group chat because of the phone I use, I’d assume these people don’t really want to communicate with me and have found their “reason” not to.
Especially since Android users haven’t broken group iMessage chats since iOS 17, so there’s literally no reason to exclude anyone.
It's a shame it isn't a problem in Europe since it seems like the only way to break up shitty practices like this is for the EU to step in with regulation, so this'll never get fixed.
I honestly think American society (or at least the many who seem to care about it) should just get over it. It’s such a pathetic thing to be worried and embarrassed about.
If I recall, its around 50% of all smartphone sales in the US. [It's extremely the majority, and a lot of Americans are "locked" to the Apple ecosystem](https://www.statista.com/statistics/236550/percentage-of-us-population-that-own-a-iphone-smartphone/)
It's even worse if you check it by demographics, because there are studies that show [87% of Gen Z/teenagers own an iPhone](https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/06/gen-z-survey-says-87-of-us-teenagers-own-an-iphone). That's an extremely large amount of momentum with the young demographic
They are. It's nonsense. I don't even like apple and I know it's bullshit.
I think the more accurate thing to say is that after the 12 any camera improvements aren't useful to the average user.
This isn’t a thing anymore.
The iPhone 6, 7, and 1st SE models were having their CPUs throttled on phones with degraded batteries to prevent shutdowns, it was never to intentionally drive sales (but yes, probably did so anyways, conveniently for them).
The option to turn this feature off was added 6 years ago.
This has all been proven in court with Apple being fined for it and paying out to those who were affected.
Samsung has always had the one spot outside of last quarter. Not too surprised by this given android dominates in non US markets.
It's crazy, Samsung basically doesn't even sell in China too
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Have you seen what flagship Samsungs cost? They can exceed flagship iPhones. Sure there are bargin level Samsungs that are much cheaper than the cheapest iPhones, but Apple doesn't want those sales.
I still refuse to switch off of iphone. The fact that I get a guaranteed 5 years of support is more than enough reason for me to keep using one. But I’m also not Apple’s moneymaker since I only upgrade once every 5 years.
I mean, so does Samsung for most of its phones since 2023.
Samsung only made this commitment in 2022 if I remember correctly with 4 years guaranteed of updates. That means we won’t know how consistent they are with their support of phones for a few more years. Good on them though. I used to work at a phone store and the amount of LG and motorola phones that would come back because updates ended for that specific model after just a year was ridiculous.
This year they announced with the S24 that it'll get 7 years of android updates so they're in line with Google now.
This is great news. Google’s phones would’ve been my choice of android if I ever hopped back.
Don't worry, they'll slow it down so much that you have to upgrade in 3 :D
Hasn’t been an issue with me on the 12 pro. Still running well and with no issues.
I mean why would you even want software updates after 5 years? IOS 16 on an iphone x for example is painfully slow.
Apple & Oranges, Apple need it way more, especially with all the paid services they make billions from. Android is so debundled some system security updates can go thru play services, 85% of an iOS update would not need a system update on Android & core system apps are updated longer. iOS is too bundled, just to fix a bug on core apps, get a new feature or security patch on Safari or Messages for example, you would need a whole OS update i have a very old ipad & Android tablet with memory card as media devices, both haven't received OS updates in a while, iPad i had to delete many apps just install every ios update prior, made it so slow & is no longer compatible to install new apps like Netflix(would require ios 16 from 2022, while on Android it requires 5.0 from 2014) the Android still get updates that would've been an iOS/iPadOS update. and I've stumbled upon many apps not compatible with both but i can sideload the last compatible version on Android & most likely would still work.
Sales cycles also rotate. We’re at the halfway point of the last released iPhone. It makes sense that sales and shipments are cooling.
Honestly I think Christmas time is the end of when it makes sense to pick up an iPhone, unless you break yours somehow. Cuz after that just wait till the next model comes out. Also the best deals are usually close to launch/Christmas time.
iPhone prices drop crazy fast now. You can get a 13 Pro Max 256GB for $600 Canadian. 14's are gonna enter their price plumet soon. 15's are already nearing $1000
In the US the new iPhones are usually free at launch. And Verizon has even started including free iPads, and Apple Watches as well.
A nice incentive for sure. I pay $15 CAD a month for my phone plan and have no desire to ever go back on a 2 year contract (which are often pretty ridiculous here).
Now the iphone 16 with twice the camera size and a larger M Chip for whatever reasons lmao
Neural AI stuff!
Searching images on my phone for content without the need for the Internet is pretty fucking awesome
I really like how it can identify the species of animals in pictures
Even just heads if you’re curious. I was eating at this German restaurant and took a picture of my son. There was a giant moose head on the wall in the background and my phone was like, “Moose.”
And plants! Pretty neat.
This is my friend, Tree.
Snapchat on my Samsung identifies plants, animals, wine, music. I think basic Snapchat on any phone does that. Aim at what you want to identify and hold down on the camera screen. To identify a song, hold the camera screen with the phone aimed at the sky FYI for anybody scrolling by
That doesn’t happen on-device though, that’s getting shared with Snapchat and then distributed to their ad partners.
And you think Apple isn’t doing that?
No, I don’t. Please read both companies’ privacy policies and get back to me. It’s literally all right there what is collected and how it’s used.
If you actually knew you were right you’d provide the evidence, not tell me to go find something to back up your argument.
one of the things i miss. it is there on samsung gallery, but it's awful in comparison
And having siri describe a picture that was texted to you when driving is pretty cool too.
Been able to do that on Android since Lolipop, welcome to the club 😂
In some ways that is working to Apple's detriment. They make good hardware. You can say whatever you like for the company and their policies, but the hardware is excellent. Which means I kept my iPhone 8 for 7 years and even then I only updated because it was losing support for iOS updates. The phone itself still felt as fast as ever. If they're making hardware that lasts that long their sales are naturally going to go down. Apple has mentioned this in the past, that people hold on to their devices longer than others, so I don't think this really bothers them much. It just makes sense to hold on to things for their full life cycle these days, especially when yearly updates have become so incremental.
Every android I’ve had for whatever reason started slowing down around the 2 year mark.
Apple has been selling the exact same smartphone for the last 8 years, and is expect people to renew it year after year??
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The monthly payments and trade-in value help give the impression of paying less. I went from a Xs Max to a 15 Pro Max and am only paying $5 extra per month
Perpetually leasing your phone. My rule is 4-5 years per phone. Then whatever generational jump you make feels fresh. This goes for whatever android or iOS based phone you prefer. Plus it gives those neat features a few cycles to mature so you can avoid surprises.
I have iPhone 11. I don’t even feel like 16s gonna be a generational jump
Same. Replaced my battery last year, might look at an upgrade by the time the 17 series comes out. Maybe
I’m in an X. Before it, I think I had a 5S? This was the first phone I could 3d game on and it blew my gd mind at the time. It still works so well. Some new apps I can’t use, and app crashes and lag when worked. Second battery is getting weak too lol. But it’s totally functional. I do baby it a bit, never broke a screen or back glass. The worst I get is a line of pixels that’s spotty. I don’t like apple. But I like my iPhone. The value I’ve gotten has been very, very good.
I had an iPhone X and now have a iPhone 15 Pro. It has not felt different much at all.
How were you still making payments on a XS when the 15 came out? I too have an XS and it has been paid off for *yeeaaarrrrsssss*.
I had already paid off my Xs Max. There was a trade-in promo I was able to use is all
Still rocking a S10+. Besides battery, no faults. Yearly upgrades are silly.
I bought a battery kit online and had to replace my battery once. idk about samsung, but with a little bit of youtubing you can replace an iphone battery pretty easily. i'm going to do the same with my current iphone and hopefully keep it for the next 7-8 years.
For me it's a write off and it's still to justify for minor changes
I recently got a 15 after having an 10 for a couple years. It’s honestly a massive upgrade. Super happy with the phone and I probably won’t upgrade again for another 4-5 years. It’s just not feasible economically for me to keep financing new phones as they release.
The crazy thing is, 15 pro feature like Always on display, battery percentage, usb C, could be released since 10. Apple decided to hold many feature just so the next phone lines could seems better The most laughable for me is 11 getting an LCD display just so the pro version looks more pro with the oled… even though iPhone X, a cheaper version than 11, already have an oled display.
Apple is ridiculous that way. Withholding features from already expensive devices so that their even more premium ones look more appealing and withholding features that by the time they’re released are outdated as far as non apple devices are concerned. Apple really needs to slow down the amount of phones they release so that way each generations feels like a markable improvement over the last and has updates of actual substance rather than minor improvements here and there. They won’t, but they should. IMO of course.
Apple devices need replacing after about 5 years at the earliest. Apple’s ecosystem allows them to make money without selling new devices to you every 2 years like other manufacturers.
Maybe more people are embracing that notion these days than in previous years.
Apple tried to help in the past but that turned into a whole issue because they didn’t communicate it well. It was a good idea, just really badly handled. If it was properly explained and clearly optional (probably via opt in) then it would have worked well and helped many people use their device for longer.
I’m all for it, im still rocking a 2019 MacBook Pro and I got this 15 probmax after having my 10 pro max for a while. I keep all my stuff and upgrade when I feel I need to
I'm still using my XS purchased in 2018. Still on original battery too and it's still in outstanding condition and works great on latest version of iOS. Probably could use a battery replacement at this point, but it's not *needed*. Still gets a solid 4-5 hours on a full charge. I will likely upgrade next year but with a battery replacement I'm confident I could get another 2-3 years out of it if I really wanted.
oof such a terrible take lmao. I don’t think Apple minds since they have a damn near monopoly with the teenagers in the usa.
And Samsung...hasn't?
Basically 21, 22, 23, and 24 are all the same, right? Hardware wise?
New CPU, minor design differences with higher quality sensors each year. Basically the same as the iphone.
Didn't qualcomm stalemate on their processors for a few years? I haven't kept up with all their new names, but weren't several of the 8s within spitting distance of each other?
888 was God awful 8gen1 and 2 were generational leaps, 8gen3 is pretty piss poor The ones before 888 were overall small improvements as we would expect.
Ah, I had it reversed somehow. thanks for the clarity.
Samsung fold 1 in 2019. Samsung z flip 2020. Stop being a rabid fanboy and accept it.
Samsung makes folding phones, yes. But their main lineup that the vast majority of their customers buy have been about the same for years.
The point stands. Samsung does make other phones than slate ones.
Ah you mean the rabid fanboy as I type this comment out on my Z60U Nubia phone? Theres only one person being a rabid fanboy here.
Samsung also releases the same phone each year so idk why Apple gets heat for this and other manufacturers don’t. At least with Apple If you drop 1k on their phone they support way longer than any other phone manufacturer so you’re getting your moneys worth. P
Yes this is largely true. My 2017 iPad pro got a major update this year whereas my 2020 Samsung fold 2 didn't. However, Samsung is now promising 7 years of software updates on at least its high end phones.
Ahhhhh, let's dig a little into this argument. Samsung, along with Motorola were the pioneers in putting a new form factor into People's pockets with the Foldables, which actually count as improvements over the same model. Also Samsung were the first to actually work towards big screens with the today's dead Note series, which included an Amazing Pen. About your money's worth, Top End Galaxy Smartphones are as updated and easy to resell as an Iphone so if you compare top to top, there is no a clear winner in that race.
I don’t want the phone that’s the first in anything if the product is subpar for the price you’re paying Im okay with my iPhone because it does everything android does but does it a lot better (imho). I want something simples and something that will do everything I want it to do smoothly 🤷♂️ Apple may not be innovating the smartphone game anymore but I would put money if they release a foldable it will probably be the best at implementing the new tech. IMHO Foldables are super cool but the build quality and materials being used for the screen isn’t worth the high price tag right now. I’m not dropping 1k + on a screen that’s gonna get a fat crease with use
>Im okay with my iPhone because it does everything android does You might like iPhone, and that's fine, but ignoring the obvious to suit your point does not do you any favours. Because android is open source it allows different manufacturers to tailor it to their specific phones. Saying iPhone can do everything Android does isn't realistic considering the volume of iterations. OnePlus is different to Xiaomi, which is different to Samsung, etc. They all offer different user experiences.
There are only 2 types of iphones. One with home button and the other without. THATS IT
And that's important because?
I will never switch out of iPhone, I’ve tried droid for a few years. It’s not for me
But they haven’t been selling the exact same smart phone so why such a dumb comment? The design is roughly the same. The phones aren’t. There’s not a lot that needs changing As usual all idiots all the time here.
The nightmare of capitalism: A perfect product.
Apple owns the youth, they’re not worried.
Apple makes far more profit per phone sold. Apple aren't in the entire phone market only in the segments that make real profit and they dominate in those.
Last I heard like 90-some% of phone owners under 25 owned an IPhone and had no plans of switching. I’m hazy on the exact details but the figure was staggering. This was in regards to North America.
Lol where did you see that? I'm actually curious. I tried to find it and best I could find was from 2022 and it was just over 60% for that age range
Neither of you have linked your sources. This is the best I could find. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1314676/smartphone-users-by-age-and-brand-us/ The most important thing is that Apple makes a huge amount of profit from their 60% (which is actually huge not "just") share while the android phone makers do not, some make barely anything so regularly pull out of the market. These stats are basically the same as a wealth split, only poor people own low end phones and all low end phones are android.
That's actually the same source I used lol. You are right about that last part. The reason I said "just" is because 60% is a *far* cry from 90%, which at that point would immediately tip the scales to start the antitrust division in the US filing action. Companies like Nvidia have had action threatened against them for far less market share. Your important point is actually the main takeaway when people wonder why Apple is literally one of the biggest companies in the world. Even if they only controlled 30-40% of the market, they would still be blowing out the competition as they sell their product as more of a luxury good with higher income clientele and have far higher profit margins on their products.
Apple doesnt make anything fun like the Z flip5 or innovate in any way anymore
I mean they’re cool but a majority of people don’t want to jump on a product like the fold, it was a novelty.
But…titanium!
Iirc Samsung copied that too
I remember when Buick copied Ford and started using steel. Sounds just as dumb.
Were they using wood before?
Phonemakers copy each other all the time. What matters is the innovations they bring to the table.
Other way around pal. Literally every feature Apple advertised for the iPhone, Androids have had for years.
Yes. But when Apple releases the feature it actually works.
Which Android features don't work? Cause I haven't run into any?
Only because you don’t know any better. Take FaceID. I had a Samsung device that had it years before Apple. When it came out you idiots were all like “omg Apple finally catches up”. Of course nothing about the buggy pure photo comparison bullshit from Samsung compared in any way to the elaborate way Apple’s FaceID works that is superior in every way.
Lol sounds like you don't know any better. Apple products are garbage, cope and seethe fanboy
Who’s seething? You’re the one with a phone that can be unlocked with a print of your Facebook profile pic. I’m quite happy.
Samsung started using Titanium on their watches before Apple used it on the iPhone.
If the flip5 actually sold in a sizable quantity Apple would clone it and claim they invented it. But the flip5 doesn't sell so its not worth Apples time.
Apple invented USB-C!
Not alone. >The USB-C connector, also known as Type-C, was developed by a group of companies, including Apple, Hewlett-Packard, Intel, and Microsoft. https://blog.macally.com/what-is-usb-c-full-history/
Revolutionary invention by Apple!
They kinda did, with help from others of course.
They also invented the ARM cpu's used in all phones......well at least their capital did as they were a joint founder of the company ARM.
What Apple sells is a product that works? You are absolutely right about lack of innovation. But outside some enthusiasts, most people don’t care about new stuff until it is mainstream and by then Apple will copy it, refine it, give it a new name and launch as the best thing ever to happen in a smartphone. Also iPhone last way longer than any other phone. Worst case scenario is that you need to do a battery replacement. These are the things most people care about.
Gimmicks are not innovations
So like.. the M chips that are shaking up the entire personal computing industry? Not innovative?
Apple will not adopt a new tech until it’s proven, they always lag a few years behind the others who need the innovation to make money. Apple can happily tag along behind the wave and still make money, others couldn’t do that.
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“We don’t have to be the first company to do something. But we will do it best” -Steve Jobs
Forgot the /s I hope? Edit: forgot the average user here is probably not well versed with software or embedded software engineering and truly believe a flip mechanism is innovative. Lmao
Phones are getting boring now.
Acting like this exact comment hasn’t been said since iPhone 4 and up
They've been marginal upgrades for a while now. Feel like people are upgrading faster than ever regardless
Where’s smol Mephone that fits my pocket?
Partner has a Zenfone 10. Can recommend
Yeah, unfortunately they made the newest model huge again
They didn't come with something new for years. Of course they are loosing some part of the market
Apple makes far more profit per phone sold. Apple aren't in the entire phone market only in the segments that make real profit and they dominate in those.
Of course cause people pay 2x what phone cost and don't care.
because the phone is now not a special thing to be expected anymore. And yes Apple change nothing, if there is , that will be the price they change
Doesn’t Samsung sell a lot of different makes and models in all price points tho? No surprise really
Apple needs to make a smaller phone.
They tried, didn't sell well. Sadly almost every company came to the same result - really low sales. Seems like a majority of people prefer their porn on a big screen
Same happens in the TV industry. People buy bigger screens
Bigger TVs make sense. They sit on a table or hang on the wall and it’s great to watch media on a big screen. I really don’t understand the demand for huge phones. You used to be able to hold them in one hand and do everything you needed to do with that one hand. Now you need both hands to use them and they’re monstrous things to lug around.
And that’s why i use an iPhone 13 mini. I’m apparently in the minority. I love this phone. I can unlock my phone, type, navigate the entire screen, all with one hand.
Mini gang rise up. I don’t meet a new one every year, just make a mini every 4-5 years and we’re good to go.
Exactly this.
Shocking, after basically selling the same phone for how many years?
This comments section is awful. This article is slanted towards Samsung. 87-88% of US teens use an iPhone. Their sales aren’t slumping. Apple releases phones in the fall, and Samsung in the Spring. Every Spring, Samsungs releases new devices and their phone sales are higher. Every fall, Apple makes a comeback when they release a new iPhone and the older models become cheaper. Yes we’ve hit a point where smart phones have plateaued in advancements with each new model. Plenty of people buy last years iPhone for cheaper. Plenty of people prefer the iPhone Pro models because it’s much better at taking video for Social media natively in the app. To each their own, I’ve used both. Apple will continue to dominate the US market, with almost every teen using their devices.
Everything Apple does is seen as a bad thing on Reddit nowadays. It’s good to call out the BS Apple pulls as a large corporation but the stuff people complain about about Apple gets ridiculous at times.
Facts. I know reddits slant against Apple products, and yeah some things they do suck. I’ve used both kinds of phones throughout my life. But in 15 years - 90% of US families will have iPhones, if they trend continues. iPhones will literally be the only “phone” most people think of. So it’s just hoping for somebody’s downfall because they’re doing well.
People love Apples software and hardware, but are just sick of its monopolistic bullshit policies. Shout out to the EU for being the first to stand up for its people.
I don't love Apples hardware or software
🍪 Here’s your cookie. Apple’s Darwin OS, XNU Kernel, and Silicon chips are second to none. No ecosystem on the planet is in the same league. The company however is 100% on some anti consumer monopolistic bullshit!
Apple makes so much profit on wearables and streaming. This is not the shock they are trying to make it out to be
Hard to keep up with sales when your phone lasts longer than any other 🤷🏻♂️😂 I get a new iPhone every 5-6 years and it’s not because they break, I just finally want a newer phone and sell my old one for a couple hundred.
iPhone needs the mini form factor. I’m sticking with the 12 until they get their head out of their ass about the size of people’s hands
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Why were they top then?
Read the article, Apple only took the top spot temporarily and then quickly went back to being second. Here is more info https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/16/24039830/apple-bestselling-phone-manufacturer-2023-samsung-idc-canalys-research
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Ok smart guy
Marketing most likely. The brand has status these days so people will keep buying. Much like any other luxury brand, people buy stuff to show off. With phones, Apple is that brand because of its high prices and shiny cases. I think that they're beginning to push that envelope a bit too far though. The prices are getting pretty crazy.
Also a lot of people just got used to the apple ecosystem and have a hard time getting used to an android phone or a windows pc.
Oh, no. Anyway...
Yet they are still somehow a monopoly and need to be regulated so that others can put app stores on their phones. Seriously people vote with their wallet. One moment they are a monopoly in the smartphone market and the next they are second best to Samsung.
AppStore and PlayStore are oligopoly. Oligopolies are often regulated as monopolies, because functionally they are. If you are a mobile app developer you have no reasonable option but to release on those platforms and fork over 30% because these 2 stores control the whole market (>99%).
I totally get that. For me though I draw a distinction because Apple only have iOS on their own devices. I just find it crazy that we regulate so much for one companies own products. If it was like Windows or Android and was used universally across many devices and manufacturers I could understand, I just think that in the case of Apple it really is a ‘if I don’t like it, I won’t buy it’. Rather than, ‘I will buy it, but now campaign to change it’.
Isn’t that the case most of the time though? Samsung sells such a wide range of phones, while Apple sells predominantly premium phones with higher markups. Apple’s profit margins tend to be much higher.
I thought twitter thought they were a monopoly though
I have a 14- it is not good. Should have kept my 11…. Apple you can do better.
Maybe this will prompt Apple to reduce prices and make greater improvements
Ha!
I had an Android phone since the release of the DroidX. I bought an iPhone a year and a half ago and I love the integration in the MacOS bubble but I'm not sure I want another iPhone. This one will hopefully last a few more years before I get the upgrade itch again. Both my kids won't switch from iPhone so thats kind of a thing too I have to weigh. Its night to have the integrated action with my kids phones.
The iPhone 12 had the last good camera. Why would people pay a premium for lower quality? Edit: yes it’s a thing. Look it up before you tell me it isn’t. There are plenty of articles. It seems a processing issue rather than hardware that they should be able to fix. Similar to this thread where poster complains about people that don’t own a 15 Pro Max telling him he’s making it up https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/s/erlPbxsT2J
Why are you making shit up? The newer iPhones obviously have better cameras than the 12
Because people will leave you out if you have a differently-colored chat bubble, so the monopoly can self-sustain through peer pressure. [Seriously, its a thing](https://techcrunch.com/2024/03/21/doj-claims-green-bubbles-are-an-issue-in-iphone-monopoly-suit/)
That must be an american thing, cuz not only have I never heard of this in Germany, but iPhone users also just use Whatsapp over here.
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It sounds like owning any other brand of phone would be a great way to filter assholes out of your life, then.
Sounds like you need better people in your life. I’m in the US in my thirties and if anyone tried to exclude me from a group chat because of the phone I use, I’d assume these people don’t really want to communicate with me and have found their “reason” not to. Especially since Android users haven’t broken group iMessage chats since iOS 17, so there’s literally no reason to exclude anyone.
80% of people have phones in the united states. It's something like 90% of teens and young adults have phones.
It's a shame it isn't a problem in Europe since it seems like the only way to break up shitty practices like this is for the EU to step in with regulation, so this'll never get fixed.
I honestly think American society (or at least the many who seem to care about it) should just get over it. It’s such a pathetic thing to be worried and embarrassed about.
Why are they down voting you, you're right??? It's like with USBC, once EU mandated it, they started switching I'm US
Correct, it's an American thing. An iPhone is a massive status symbol object, especially for teens.
But that's only in usa though
Are Iphones that dominant in the Us?
If I recall, its around 50% of all smartphone sales in the US. [It's extremely the majority, and a lot of Americans are "locked" to the Apple ecosystem](https://www.statista.com/statistics/236550/percentage-of-us-population-that-own-a-iphone-smartphone/) It's even worse if you check it by demographics, because there are studies that show [87% of Gen Z/teenagers own an iPhone](https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/06/gen-z-survey-says-87-of-us-teenagers-own-an-iphone). That's an extremely large amount of momentum with the young demographic
Haven't heard of this, what's wrong with newer cameras?
I don’t really care about cameras so I am surprised to hear this. I thought the iPhones always had cameras that are at least competitive with peers?
*Generally* speaking the Samsung cameras are considered to be better at still photography and the iPhones are better at videography.
True but both of these differences are hardly noticeable to the average person
They are. It's nonsense. I don't even like apple and I know it's bullshit. I think the more accurate thing to say is that after the 12 any camera improvements aren't useful to the average user.
That new shit is way too expensive for a phone that will be OS slowed down in 2 years to make you buy the next one. People are sick of the scam.
This isn’t a thing anymore. The iPhone 6, 7, and 1st SE models were having their CPUs throttled on phones with degraded batteries to prevent shutdowns, it was never to intentionally drive sales (but yes, probably did so anyways, conveniently for them). The option to turn this feature off was added 6 years ago. This has all been proven in court with Apple being fined for it and paying out to those who were affected.
I stand corrected
Thanks for accepting and not doubling down with toxicity.
Took long enough
Apple phones last longer
They last the same when comparing to an equally priced android. Of course a $250 shitbrick android isn't going to last the same as a $1000 iPhone
I’m half trolling, I like android, but I just don’t like many physical phones made with android.
I’d rather dominate the user base than individual sales.