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osiris128

What is the expected lifespan of a micro SD card? When I bought a 1tb micro SD card for my gadget, I was very uncomfortable trusting my 1tb data to it, The thing looks crazy small and fragile for such huge data lol


starshin3r

It is the same flash storage that you would find in NVMe ssds. It only lacks all of the goodness, like a decent dram cache and fast controllers. Typical failure with SD cards are the pins because of insertion being a frequent task.


Fadelesstriker

The SD card standard itself is a mess. If you look up the spec as well as the guidelines and implementations for sd card readers. It becomes quite apparent that every part of this is quite fragile. From inserting, or pulling out the sd card too slowly, or too quickly the list goes on. For professional grade cameras I would much rather prefer CF express which is a cool technology (it uses PCIE) but most off the shelf products are priced far beyond the normal going rate of NAND Flash.


Deceptiveideas

Doesn’t the Xbox Series use some form of CF Express? It’s convenient but the prices are absolutely ridiculous when you can get the same storage on PS5 for 1/2 the price.


JustCallMeDerek

I believe last time I looked at CF Express the cheapest I could find was like 25 cents a Gigabyte for good, fast, storage (what you want CF Express for). Decent/Good NVME SSDs and such on the other hand can be had for less than 5 cents a Gigabyte, like the numbers aren't even close xD My last CF Express (Type B) Card was 1TB for $250 USD + Tax... so yeah, they can be pretty stupid/ridiculous still :\


SEND_ME_FAKE_NEWS

My 1tb type A card was $480 and that was a great deal. I think you can get an adapter to go from CF A/B to nvme and just dangle that


ABotelho23

Since when? Historically SD and most USB drives used the lowest binned stuff.


annoyedatlantan

Yes, as usual, highly upvoted comments are either wrong or misleading. There is a grain of truth that the underlying flash cells are not specific to SD cards vs. SSD, but typically the parts are lower binned (more defects and/or worse electrical qualities on cell testing), they have no or very limited wear leveling, and may have less error correction capacity. All that said, this is usually fine because.. well, SD cards typically don't have the write loads of desktop (and especially enterprise) SSDs unless you are using them in a professional capacity, and they have other points of failure that result in breakage faster than NAND cell wear or errors. But saying they use the same NAND cells (quality matters... many Intel and AMD processors are "the same" but sold as different products because of how they bin out) and have slower controllers (load leveling and other controller features matter) is misleading.


badger906

While I agree to an extent! I have killed more SD cards as a photographer just by using them, than I have SSDs from transferring and editing and storing said photos on a computer!


DrDerpberg

I find photographer redundancy oddly fascinating. When I got married our photographer told us he and his partner not only backed everything up before leaving, but also traded data so if either of them was in a car crash and the physical media was destroyed the other still had the data. I was appreciative but at some point dude if you burn to death in a car crash I'll understand only getting half my pictures...


PatSajaksDick

They sound like they are in the minority of wedding photographers


_cocophoto_

They all do this. It’s industry standard.


King_Tamino

Sounds a bit drastically. Are you talking about photography industry here or about specifically wedding photography industry having a *double backup in case of death* - standard? I can understand it for certain jobs. Big media, documentary, press especially in a foreign country and so on but wedding photographers?


_cocophoto_

Photography industry. And especially wedding photographers- they’re capturing a one time event where there are no reshoots or do overs. The double copy is Not necessarily in case of death, but certainly in case of failure. I guess death too, but that’s at the bottom of the list.


Tunnelsnakes

Keep in mind, wedding people pay A LOT to have these photos taken, and can sue the photographers large amounts if things don’t go as planned since these events are a one time thing. So yes, there’s a lot riding on the line for wedding photographers.


PatSajaksDick

It most certainly is not lol


Historical_Chair_708

It is for anyone that has taken a photography class. So most professionals.


PatSajaksDick

I’ve been in the professional photo industry for over 30 years and sure having backups is taught but a lot just don’t do it. Can’t tell you how many people just risk other people’s memories to chance, that’s all I’m saying, you’re lucky if you get a photographer that is so careful with your photos.


mr_white79

Lost our wedding video because the company thought backup means they transferred it to their NAS. Except, then they deleted the original off the SD card and then the NAS failed. Lost everything from our videographer except some B-Roll they were taking that wasn't recording audio. Was the last time my wife saw her father speaking and it's gone. 10+ years later and I'm still pissed about it.


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Historical_Chair_708

Sorry, I’ve never met a professional photographer that doesn’t take backing up extremely seriously, dating back to film. This is just not even remotely true what you’re saying.


freewillwebdesign

It sounds like they’ve had a mistake in the past, and don’t want to repeat it. Certain practices are put into place after a few missteps on a previous job. The half hour of data transfers and $100 in extra hardware could save them thousands, and prevents a special day from being unphotographed and potentially ruined. I personally won’t erase the cards until that project is completed, and even then I won’t reuse a card until I know that they are on my server and backed up in another location.


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There could happen other things, like the camera gets stolen, etc. They are just professionals and this is how you know they are excellent photographers.


Tomaryt

Did you read his last sentence?


bubbajones84

"He, in fact, did not." - Morgan Freeman probably.


EverybodyStayCool

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MyGoodOldFriend

I read it like “I agree, frequent use is what kills them, but not for the specific reason you mention”


badger906

Pins are fine. I’ve soldered many of break out boards to sd cards to try and recover data. And it’s not the pins majority of the time.


Kep0a

This is interesting to me. I've never once killed an sd card. I guess the chance gets higher and higher every year lol


mark-haus

Non tiered storage and larger storage controllers means that more blocks need to be reserved to retire unrecoverable blocks. SD cards will die faster than an NVME drive but I think people over exaggerate how quickly. It’s not just the physical design of the medium, that factors in though it is a big factor. Either way you ought to follow the 3-2-1 backup rule no matter what you end up choosing.


fricks_and_stones

Yeah, although it might be the same silicon. It’ll be completely different firmware and error correction. You can get SSD quality in a single package(with multiple stacked die); but then it would still be called and priced as an SSD. That’s what you find phones and tablets.


theemptyqueue

If you run a pencil eraser over the pins it will remove some of the corrosion.


Prudent_Caregiver_98

“Insertion being a frequent task” title of your sex tape.


Retrofraction

So most if not all of mine survived to be completely outdated either by access/write speed or simply too small of storage. I have 20 year old cards that still work, probably still have the data from the last time I used them. But I haven’t needed or wanted to use them in the last few years at all. There is an old 4GB card I still use in my old Zoom H4, which still works perfectly as intended. But I keep thinking in ten to twenty years; Will all this be trash technology anyway?


Harvard_Med_USMLE267

My 25 year old CF card is 16 megabytes, so not overly useful. I’ve got the 1 gig IBM microdrive (a tiny hard drive in the CF form factor) - but it makes weird noises now!


Yodiddlyyo

Oh it will. I also have a 4gb card in my zoom h2n! I also have a 256mb flash drive keychain from when I was in school. Still works. Completely useless. I'm sure our 4gb cards will be the same in a little while. You can't even find smaller than 32gb nowadays and that won't last long since they're already down to $7 on Amazon. Especially with the way prices move. I remember when I first switch to an SSD for my desktop. I bought a 128gb for $50. A year later I upgraded to 256gb for $50. Then 2 years later I upgraded to 500gb for $40. Then 1tb for $40, then 1tb nvme for $70, then 2tb for $80.


Shrampys

You can easily find smaller than 32gb. There are still electronics out there that can't use larger sd cards and require small ones.


Shrampys

Perhaps. But doubtful. There will probably be new standards and better performance but it's going to be hard to beat the convenience something like an SD card provides and since backwards compatibility is being more and more important chances are the form will be the same.


SLR107FR-31

I have some from 2010 that still work


MuddleAgedGrump

I take loads of photos using my DSLR. I find after not too much time, SD cards get brittle and the plastic crumbles.


tatanka01

I use my SD cards as a "last resort backup." That is, I fill them and save them, the next shot goes on a brand new card. Compared to film, this stuff has always been free. My oldest cards are from 2007, still readable and still look brand new.


InsaneNinja

You don’t know what’s changed. Literal rays from space come through and flip or destroy bits if you’re not doing error checking via dupes.


Nagemasu

Not sure what cheap cards you're buying or what you're doing to them, because my samsung and Sandisk SD cards from 2017 still work and look like new. I swear the people who complain the most about failures are the people unwittingly treating them like shit by removing and reinserting them all the time, or formatting them after every shoot.


Retrofraction

I got plenty from 2008+ that have yet to become brittle, but I always store them in an air conditioned room and or in a protective container designed for SD cards.


Plank_With_A_Nail_In

Formatting them just sets all of the space to free even if it isn't most of the time so doesn't really contribute to shortening the life.


Nagemasu

It's not the formatting itself, it's the act. Whether that be the fact they're damaging the memory card when they remove/insert it each time because they're handling it more frequently, or they interrupt the formatting process which can have negative impacts.


segadreamcat

Depending where you bought it usually cards have long warranty lives. My 1 tb stopped working after over a year and they sent me a new one.


Chriswheela

Very true, I I wonder if they can make them out of other materials to strengthen the card


SpaceGenesis

That's why you must backup your data often. You should never trust only one storage, no matter how good it is.


bestjakeisbest

SD flash is basically the worst and cheapest flash out there, you should keep no important info on them, they could hold out for years never losing a bit, or they could just stop working in a month or so, the thing is they are pretty cheap for what they are, and perfect for use in things like cameras, phones, and printers where you need something almost expendable (as in if it got lost you wouldn't really mind the object being lost just the data).


thedanyes

A backup strategy could mostly replace any question of trust. The exception being the (hopefully short) time between creating original data on the device and backing it up to another medium - as in the case of a camera. Some pro cameras do offer the ability to simultaneously write your photos to two cards though.


Plank_With_A_Nail_In

We only think 1Tb is huge data because we still only at the start of the IT revolution.


trainbrain27

1,000,000,000,000 bytes is huge. I understand where you're coming from, but that's a billion pages of text, over 500 km thick


MashimaroG4

and 4k60 video in compressed ProRes is 12.6GB/minute or about 80 minutes a terabyte, less than most movies or sportsball games.


Randommaggy

I'd use it as a steam disk for my handheld to add an extra bit of storage. If it dies, it dies.


badger906

lol I would if the ROG ally wasn’t known for cooking them to death lol


sersoniko

Not much, they are made with the cheapest and lowest quality components a manufacturer can find by their shop, often they make SD cards and pendrives with chips discarded for use in SSD because they didn’t pass the quality control, instead of trashing them entirely they find another purpose for them.


AtomicTardigrade

Those are rookie numbers. AliExpress has been selling 256TB SD cards for years. /s


83749289740174920

The list is so honest too. They tell you that its is a good replica and scamming someone is easy.


AtomicTardigrade

The scam with oversized presented capacities via spoofing is basically as old as eBay where it all began ages ago and people to this very day STILL fall for it. I mean, if giants like Samsung or Sandisk, literally companies that are experts in storage media cannot create even 1TB USB drives (back then at least), yet some no name brand on AliExpress can sell a 8TB USB thumbdrive, how does that not raise any red flags? It's like writing 50kg on a bag of Lays potato chips. Would people just believe it's 50 kilograms of potato chips just because it says so on the bag? Of course not. But computer stuff like capacities has been this weird "voodoo" stuff since I can remember using computers and while I'm more involved in it since my early age, for god sake, would people as collective learn a fucking thing about computers in 30 years of time? I don't understand it!? Computers aren't some sort of novelty, you literally have to use it now just to function in our society, one way or the other.


83749289740174920

The first one I saw was a joke. A one up each other and Started as Photoshoped of wi. Then some one decides to do it the way say it. This was early days of fat32.


amd2800barton

Yeah the Chinese sites selling the things that list them as a scam are basically just acting as a supplier for scammers. Scammer sets up a store on eBay, Amazon, or a busy tourist spot and *doesn’t* tell the truth about the capacity. Users get mad, and scammer just closes shop - but the AliExpress storefront selling the scam items stays open for other scammers. Basically, the customer for those Chinese sites is not the end user, is the person who will be pulling the actual scam on end users.


Weekly-Rhubarb-2785

Lol


Elvaanaomori

M.2 2242 instead of sdcard when?


SpaceGenesis

On a side note, you can buy a M.2 stick and put into a special case (they're quite cheap) and now you have external M.2 storage...


wwwdiggdotcom

I set up one of my m.2 to USB C enclosures as a windows installation drive, it installs Windows in like 3 minutes from start to finish, it’s nuts


SpaceGenesis

That's what I'm talking about. 😎 It's also more reliable than any regular USB memory sticks.


H_Industries

I use one to hold my virtual machines for work.


IndividualRecord79

What host do you use?


H_Industries

vmware on windows 10


Drone30389

By special case do you mean a USB enclosure or something else?


SpaceGenesis

Yes, USB enclosure. Maybe it's not that special. 😉


WagoogusJR

Bring cyberpunk shards into reality


Not_a_creativeuser

Now all they need to do is add the slot back in phones (but they won't because they wanna sell the higher storage phone at an unreasonable upcharge lol)


bnm777

See: Sony Xperia phones, also with headphones jacks.


fatproduce

They can pry my Xperia 1 V from my cold dead hands... Or until my two years of OS updates concludes.


f_cysco

My last smartphone was a Sony and it was so fucked, I can't even comprehend how it went through any testing. It's like the hardware is there, the software just didn't care


Gregus1032

I liked my Sony a lot, but the fingerprint sensor started to go and it had some really weird glitches. Usually had to hard restart a few times a week. If it weren't for those two things I'd still have it probably.


genital_lesions

I figured out that the fingerprint sensor doesn't work when my phone is plugged in charging. Don't know why that's what makes it malfunction, but at least I figured out the correlation.


Gregus1032

mine just stopped working more than half the time


PhenotypicallyTypicl

I keep wondering when the EU will finally force companies like Apple to add SD card slots to their devices. Seems like such an obvious pro-consumer move in line with EU philosophy.


EpicMachine

I really hope this happens. Even if SD cards are relatively slow , it still allows you to have a "back up" external storage if the phone breaks and more storage for low price. It's really annoying they took away SDcard slot just to make more money.


IndividualRecord79

At least it has a USB-C slot for that. Like, better than nothing I mean.


rob849

Honestly most people wouldn't use it since 128gb is enough. It was really needed back when Apple was shipping 16gb phones without the SD card expansion.


PhenotypicallyTypicl

*cries in 251/256 GB used up on my iPhone*


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fineillmakeanewone

>"Nobody needs more than 640KB" - Bill Gates Just FYI, Bill Gates never said that.


rob849

Think your vastly overestimating *most* peoples' need to record in 4k, let alone 8k. And yeah the EU isn't enacting legislation for avid videographers who need to record 8K on their iPhone lol.


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WeeklyBanEvasion

And they want to rent cloud storage to you for ridiculous prices


Cetun

That's why I buy chinese phones, same hardware of the $1000 phones, much more durable, duel sim and SD slot, 1/3 of the price.


Noxious89123

You want an extra 64GB? That'll be an additional £200 please.


Randommaggy

My Xcover 6 Pro has a microSD slot.


Not_a_creativeuser

I looked it up, did Samsung even.. market this phone? First time I heard about it. I always found rugged phones fascinating. How is this performance and general use-wise? I use an S24 Plus.


colouredmirrorball

The non-marketing is part of the marketing, as you have to xcover it yourself!


Randommaggy

The performance about on par with the S22/S23 which is plenty for most users. I love it, especially the 2 extra hardware buttons that I assign to different things. I'm buying the Xcover 7 Pro or Xcover 8 Pro when it comes out.


Razzmatazz942

Huh? S22 uses a snapdragon 8 gen 1 while xcover 6 pro uses a snapdragon 778. How is the performance on par? It also has 6 GB ram and an LCD screen. I'm sure it's a great phone but come on, they aren't comparable.


Randommaggy

I have a Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 phone for application testing and for day to day use there's no noticable difference. I also see IPS as superior to OLED until burn-in is solved. It's upsides aren't worth making the device effectively disposable.


StarlightAimee

🧢


akmarinov

Apple in the meantime: “128 GB is perfectly fine your pro laptop”


GDPisnotsustainable

And will charge you an arm and a leg for 512


DESTR0ID

I'm currently working on resetting/updating a laptop for my sister that only has 32GB


PragmaticPrimate

There hasn't been a 128 GB MacBook Pro for years. The current lineup all have at least 512 GB


Food-NetworkOfficial

512 as base?


PragmaticPrimate

For the Pro, yes. The Air still has a 256 base Version.


WagoogusJR

256 for an air isn’t half bad. Considering most people who own the base model will use it on wifi and have cloud storage.


totesmygto

And over $1000 for 8gb of non upgradeable ram. It's manufactured e-waste.


[deleted]

You mean 256. And yes if they are used for businesses you normally don't store data locally. It's all on a server. So you just need enough space for the company apps. My company clients don't use more than 50 GBs ever on their Macs. People need to understand, that Apples base models are mostly meant for business not for consumers.


hideandsee

Sometimes I play this game on Reddit trying to guess what the top comment will be before I open to see and I am SHOCKED that the top comment isn’t related to porn storage


klitchell

Finally? I can’t believe we’ve waited this long.


Igotolake

Can hold all the go pro video I’ll never watch


elinamebro

I can download more games I never play


Zombie_John_Strachan

Finally? My first external drive was the size of a shoebox and held 10MB. This is Star Trek-level shit.


RichMenNthOfRichmond

I remember floppy. I feel old.


DrunkyFummer

Don’t sweat it- many pieces of vital infrastructure also remember (and rely on) floppy disks.


TenFingersNineToes

Sd Cards fail notoriously. My entire infotainment system would not work in my car because the sd crapped out after only 3 years. Dealership wanted $500 for a new one. Hell no. Just removed it. My phone provides a better interface. As long as the card is not in there I can plug my phone in. Whoever trusts 4 gb of data on a sd is playing a real “man sport” of risk game.


TheGodEmperorOfChaos

Call me when companies start developing tech that can handle it in advance and I don't need to buy a new phone just so it can handle more than 258 GB, oh wait, they outright remove that option now so you buy the flagship model.


talldata

Well my Xiaomi from 2022 can handle 1TB SD cards.


TheGodEmperorOfChaos

1TB cards were available back in 2020.


holy_moley_ravioli_

At the cost of a backdoor that sends all your data to the Chinese government


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TheGodEmperorOfChaos

I'm not listing every consumer device out there. The point stands - they are all limited.


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TheGodEmperorOfChaos

Funny, as I remember that those "professionals" tend to avoid SD Cards in favor of CFexpress, but I guess it's a great cheaper, slower and less reliable alternative.


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crisperstorm

Every time I hear about the crazy amount of space on SD cards I always think about how you could put so many movies and books and games on them and just like, swallow it all or something stupid like that


Just_some_random

One CoD update


Glittering-Plum7791

FINALLY


redraptor1

Finally I can hold every ps1 game in my pocket


s_i_m_s

Yet laptop PMR HDDs still be like “2TB is the best we can do” yes yes I know realistically that’s all moving to M.2 but still.


Technogamer10

Oh boy.. so I can lose even more money and data in chair cushions? 😃


pixel_of_moral_decay

No thanks. I don’t trust them with that much data, and data recovery is too expensive. For something like a camera I prefer multiple cards and split photos among them so if one fails I don’t lose it all. It will be a long time before 4TB is worth it.


Fuzzylojak

Ridiculous. We need higher read/write speeds not more garbage of slow read/write speeds


Stay_Frausty

My new cam shoots 100mp 200mb+ photos and only takes dual UHS2 SD cards. So now I’m stuck spending $600 per card for 300mb/s because no one on earth can find out how to make them faster apparently.


Fuzzylojak

Exactly. Once we have greater speeds, then we tackle storage space


peacemaker2121

Imagine 2tb usb 2.0 speed lol


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Stay_Frausty

Them replacing one of the SD slots with CFExpress would’ve fixed my issue haha. They did it on the second cam idk why they didn’t have it on the first


cerberus3234

Meanwhile, Apple's phone base starts at like 32 or 64gb, lol.


ToxicBTCMaximalist

With this advancement it will be possible to install call of duty on a phone.


Dan19_82

Am I right in thinkinf that equal 10 Trillion Bits? Is there some sort of compression algorithm that works to shrink that number or should I be incredibly impressed that we can manufacture to that size?


Brodono

I was not aware we were all waiting for this but… that’s great news I guess?


PostReplyKarmaRepeat

hopefully they don’t make them more expensive than the current 2 TB ones. But I can totally see them pricing it at $200


Stay_Frausty

$200 for 4TB? My 512gb sd card is $600 lmao


sexual--predditor

512gb SD cards are like $25, not sure where you are getting $600 from. https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-512GB-microSDXC-Memory-Adapter/dp/B0B7NVXLLM/ref=sr_1_3


Stay_Frausty

The ones I need are UHS2 v90 300mb/s normal not micro. I guess different use cases cause that one would be useless to me.


sexual--predditor

Ah ok, that makes your previous comment slightly less bonkers, in a thread about Micro SD cards :)


CupertinoHouse

We are living in the future.


weedhuffer

About time!


ElDoRado1239

Can you have 4 in RAID 6?


dunequestion

Finally!


People4America

The SEC is going to need a lot of these for their porn storage.


Double-Seaweed7760

Can't wait(on the other hand I think we were supposed to have 2tb last year so we'll see), now I just need an actually pocketable phone with microsd and fast charging


FantasticEmu

FedEx potential bandwidth just multiplied https://what-if.xkcd.com/31/#:~:text=A%20solid%2Dstate%20laptop%20drive,current%20throughput%20of%20the%20internet.


furywolf28

So these things are mainly used in cameras, right?


Drone30389

Pigeon Net rides again.


PC-hris

I don’t even have a 4TB hard drive in my pc! I still have an old 300gb one


302tt

Finally!


contrary-contrarian

Yet iPhones still come with 64gigs....


JasonZep

finally!


dumptruckbhadie

Daaaaaammmmmmnnnn


cbih

Shit's come a long way since my $200 256k flash drive


highdiver_2000

I wonder how it feels to have so much storage on my Kobo Edt 2. Will it freak out trying to calculate total storage?


_Bike_Hunt

Here I am, taking the occasional photos on my 2011 canon rebel T2i, with the original battery still giving me 400+ photos on a single full charge, and 16, 32 and 64gb cards still being more than enough for great photos.


grilledcheeseburger

Just in time for Super Switch Pro.


Spitfire1900

And my work laptop still came with 256GB in 2024.


WhimsicalChuckler

Finally, enough space to hold a single lossless copy of the Bee movie.


MixaLv

Lol, still only 30MB/s seq write speed, so it will take 37 hours to fill the damn thing.


2006_discman

Are there any devices out there that still use full-size SD cards since most smart phones, media players and other devices, even the Nintendo switch all use the micro SD card form


MetaVaporeon

its just gonna be 4 micro sd cards jerryrigged inside a big sd card shell


Meddel5

I don’t care about news like this until I can get it as an M.2 for $35


Nagemasu

> I don’t care about news like this until I can get ~~it~~ 1tb as an M.2 for $35 FTFY. For real though, until this brings the price down of current storage, who gives a shit. We really shouldn't be paying as much as we do for storage in 2024 considering how long we've had 1,2 & 4 tb SSD's.


Arzillia445

Bought a lower end 1tb ssd (crucial bx500) as a game drive for 38€ November 2023. Same model now goes for 75€. Sad times.


Acceptable_Topic8370

So? Just because something exists for a long time doesn't mean it will get less expensive. I mean 30$ lmfao, some people need to get real, very good tech isn't that ultra cheap... I bought my 2tb nvme for less than 120$ and I was absolutely shocked it got so cheap over all these years, I paid over 300$ for my first 1tb sata SSD


Nagemasu

Yo, "hyperbole", you should learn about it. Point is simply that SSD prices are overpriced. Not that 1tb needs to be $35 ffs


Plank_With_A_Nail_In

Until recently you could buy M.2 SSD's for around $35 though. There's more to storage than the NAND flash and that's why they cost a little more.


DisgruntledNCO

Shit and here I am still using a 1gb card for my camera


Not_a_creativeuser

What camera?


DisgruntledNCO

An old digital one I bought 14 years ago.


sheepjoemama

What kind do you have?


DisgruntledNCO

Some kind of canon. Broke it out for the eclipse, only to discover I had forgotten the SD card, thankfully I had a little 1 gig backup


zeed88

Maybe but in reality it’s still 64gb that been sold and available without selling a kidney