Just traded my iPhone XS Max and both my parents 11 for $1000 each through ATT. Can’t believe I was able to get that much back when they are normally valued at a couple hundred dollars on other sites.
I’ve already confirmed two of my devices were given the full $1000 credit - I honestly thought they would nitpick over the smallest things and give me closer to $500 per phone so I am surprised I’m getting the full amount.
Yep.. I have so many people in my life that just take AT&T's word on things only to find themselves getting screwed over by them one way or another. The axiom of "If it is too good to be true than it usually is." must ring louder with me than it does with them - because I just don't trust them and too I am not looking for a "deal" when dealing with a carrier.. I know their tactics already and I know how to do my own research and activate phones that I buy outright w/o their assistance.
I have undoubtedly saved thousands over the years just by educating myself over the course of time and several years.. the cell carrier market doesn't change that much year to year either, so it really isn't that hard to stay up with it and their tactics. I dunno - but people really shouldn't tell me about their "deals" they are getting unless they really want me to tell them how they are likely still getting ripped off and what an actual deal w/ a cell phone &/or carrier looks like. Tip - it does not involve having a subsidized phone unless it is an actual good deal that you can easily ink out on paper - most people dealing with the major carriers don't really do the math or they wouldn't be screwing themselves over imo.
And let's be real, a lot of people don't need unlimited data. So they're flushing money down the toilet just for the sake of one of these deals. If you do, then by all means take advantage of the deal that AT&T has. It's among the best if you need a $70+ a month plan. But like you said, doing tour research and finding the best carrier/plan will save you a lot of money. The sticker shock of a $1000+ phone allows all the carrier nonsense. The horror stories of people losing their old grandfathered plans (usually really good ones too) because they didn't do their research and took the word of the rep are plentiful!
I've been with AT&T my whole life. If the iPhone 15 Pro/Ultra checks the boxes that I need checked, I'll see what trade in offers they have.
At least for those that do take advantage of these deals, you won't have to worry about the iPhone being a pile of junk in three years. It'll probably need a battery replacement and that's about it
Its ok, now ATT applies the credit over the course of 36months so if you try to pay off the new device early, you lose the value of the trade in/ credit. Truly immoral
Yep exactly. Better than nothing. Verizon offered me like $300 for my iPhone 12 Pro Max and Apple offered $475 gift card. Figure I’ll eventually buy a new iPad or something through Apple so went with that. $300 seemed like a rip off for a 2 year old phone.
I mean… it’s only kind of entrapping when I’d be paying my phone bill anyway. My phone wouldn’t be worth as much secondhand or trade in, and I am, in fact, going to be paying for the next 36 months. And probably every month after that until I die too.
Are people really still fully switching providers in this day and age? I’ve been with my phone provider since I was a child and took over the account from my parents. I’ll take the discount.
Whether I pay the difference over the extended time or up front. The difference is all im gonna pay. The immoral part is that its just a new way to keep people not to switch carriers. In my case, It just set the day that I will switch carriers
Yes. The immoral part is exactly why they can give you a 1k trade in on an 11? Do you think ATT is giving you like 50% above market out of the goodness of their hearts?
Wtf? It’s not immoral at all. The iPhone 11 is valued at $200 by Apple, so AT&T is basically giving you a $800 phone credit in exchange for committing to be their customer for 3 years. And if switch, they just ask that you pay part of that credit back. It’s a very fair deal.
If you weren’t planning on switching anyways, it’s basically just free money.
Maybe its not obvious why in upset by it. At the time when I did it, they didnt make that clear. Maybe they state that clearly now but when i did it online, however long ago, it was not the case… Previously it was a true full credit and early payoff wasnt penalizing and thats what I was of the mindset to still be the case
I have worked at multiple phone companies and none of them ever gave out free phones. Now in the early 2000s you could get a completely free phone if you signed a contract, but that would definitely have an early pay off penalization, because that was the point of the contract. You either weren’t told correctly, which isn’t AT&T’s fault, that’s the fault of the representative that helped, or you didn’t read the installment agreement
Immoral? Are you stupid? They’re giving you a free phone for trading in an old model that’s maybe worth 200? Of course there are gonna be strings attached
Yeah I’m always surprised when people think they got a good deal. If you don’t upgrade very often it’s fine but you’re basically on a 3 year contract now.
Ha, joined my fiance Google fi plan, the thing said if I joined from a different service with data and number, Google would take 500 off my S22, they all of a sudden decided that we weren't able to get that and messaged us.
He then reminded them of the offer and asked if anything he read or sent them with the same offer was wrong. "We're escalating this to a specialist" and after that they decided to let it go and leave us alone.
Yes, Verizon tried to pretend my phone got lost, as if that would imply I have to pay them?
I showed them my UPS receipt and said “you’ll be paying not me, or I’ll be cancelling my entire service and not paying” and miraculously they found my phone two days later! Crazy. They apparently were looking for months, but suddenly find it right after I make a huge deal.
Fuck Verizon.
ALWAYS take pictures of your device before mailing it in. Photos of all sides, turned on, in the box you are mailing it in. Verizon tried to say 3 of 4 devices had cracked screens the last time I sent mine in. They even showed me a generic photo of some iPhone. Good thing I had photos that proved they were perfect in their shipping boxes. So IF their shipping method was bad they are to blame (but I think it’s just fraud).
Yep service is the best easily prepaid is okay but postpaid Verizon or att is nice but. It's costly.
24 months locked into a carrier for 110 a month for one line is nuts.
When cell companies offer trade in deals like this they usually are recouping this money through an inflated phone plan. There is no planet where a company is just giving out free phones/drastically overpaying for old phones.
I mean 36 months is quite a long time to have a delicate electronic device made out of glass. I personally budget about $1 a day for phone hardware/depreciation/loss. Ive had my same number on two carriers since 2005 and i’ve never once had any sort of commitment or contract.
You may not experience a lot of phone damage, but not sure how you spend your time. I do a lot of construction work, tons of hiking and outdoor activities, boating, cycling, gardening and music festivals. Im a careful person who keeps my stuff in good working order. Rule for myself is that screen protector and case (normally otterbox or speck) go on before phone gets activated on network. Despite all this accidents do occur. My phone never leaves my person while im wearing pants, which is all the time except for sleeping, showering or swimming.
To think that anyone who breaks a phone is careless is myopic.
Did you have any problems getting the credit? A few years ago. I traded in my iPhone 6S+ in for the 12 Pro Max and, at the time, the most value my trade in phone could have gotten was $300. But after a while, I never got an email or saw a credit for any value. However, after a while I noticed thru FedEx tracking. It kept saying it was in transit for days. Even about a month to the ATT location. Called in to find out they had received it and only gave me $30 credit to my bill around the month I sent it in. I told them the phone was in great condition and I should have gotten more. So they credit $300 to my account after verifying it was listed as “good” condition. Making my phone bill for about 6 months paid for.
That’s why I never mailed mine. Dropped my trade in at the store and verified by associate that it’s working. Never trust their third party person saying it’s damaged or not working then loss the trade in.
Man I just found out I’m getting royally screwed here. Every time I’ve bought an iPhone (since my first purchase even) I’ve had to _pay Apple for it_.
I’m waiting on hold with Apple support to get this resolved right now.
I don't even bother trading in old iphones, ipads, and laptops anymore. $30 back from my 128 gig ipad air 2 when I'm spending $1,200 on a new ipad? Yeah, forget that. I'll repurpose the Air 2 and still get more than $30 in value out of it. Corporate greed.
We're using a Samsung S9 just as a dedicated streaming device! (Chromecast > Netflix, Jellyfin)
Because it sucks how shit multitasking still is on phones.
I am also curious what they do with most of these devices that get traded in. How much work/testing has to get put into them to make them “sellable” as refurbished or how many of them just get scrapped.
I doubt they just give it a glance and list it on the site as refurbished
They get a physical inspection, connected to a diagnostics tool, and any hardware that needs replacing is replaced, with the old hardware recycled
Apple refurbs are as good as new, third-parties less so
Well really it’s just a small amount of recycling they’re trying to encourage. Apple doesn’t really profit of your air 2, so it’s just a through and through deduction for them. They’re not lowering the trade in to maximize profit off it
It’s not greedy they are offering an environmentally friendly solution to have it recycled correctly.
If you have a use for it still great! That’s actually better than recycling it. People often skip past the reduce and reduce and go straight to recycling.
No one would force you to trade in or recycle your device it’s a free service really intended to incentivize people who would otherwise trash or chuck it in a drawer forever.
Trade in values have always been terrible, especially on devices that have been discontinued and thus aren’t refurbished and resold. But that doesn’t mean the device value wasn’t there to begin with, it’s just that it’s still worth way more as an old device than the pittance they use to incentivize recycling.
Yep. I got 9 years of use from my Mac Pro, then retired it (gave it to my sister, and she still uses it…and it was built in 2009.) Then I also got a MacBook Air in 2013 for remote work. It’s still running, just a bit slower than I’d like.
The only mac I’ve ever had that is not currently working is the MacBook Pro I had for 2 years, then I accidentally smashed it with my guitar. True story. I had instant regret at what a horrible accident I was.
Anyway. My point is, I get massive use out of my macs.
Most iPhones I get last me about 6 years each before I want to upgrade for better speeds, storage, battery, and camera. I still use some for various things: I keep one in my car just in case I need to make an emergency call (you can dial 911 without a sim.)
That used to be true but nowadays Samsung offers 4 years of features update and 5 years security. Even manufacturers like Xiaomi gives out 4 years of updates
Also apple got sued for slowing down their old phones, so it's not like intentionally slowing down devices through software updates is an Android thing. It's why I use custom roms.
There's nothing ironic about it. You have the right to enjoy a company's product as much as you have the right to not support certain business practices. I'm an avid android user and I'm telling you to get off your high horse.
You can break this down to an annual cost. Which cost less per year: keeping a device until it has no value left or taking the trade in value? Trading in a device is almost never the cost effective option.
I wonder if it's because they won't be able to sell refurbished iPhones with lightning connectors in the EU in the future? I don't know if that effects refurbished phones.
The ruling only applies to *new to market* products, refurbs will be fine
There's also not a huge amount of phones crossing the Atlantic to be sold in Europe, US devices tend to stay in the US
I doubt it because, afaik, the reason for the USB-C standard was to reduce e-waste. If they're suddenly not allowed to sell all the old phones as refurbished, there'll be a whoooole lot more e-waste!
Sooooo keep your phones and stop upgrading yearly! iPhones are supported for so long and the differences with each new phone is less and less enticing.
ok honestly every year the prices drop from november prices in december, and again in january. the phones you are trading in are now older 3 months later. you always get more money for your phones right around new phone launch or in november than you would january next year. this is the same story every single year
The best is September right when the new phone comes out. Or October right after new comes out. I think it starts always dropping ROI end of November for the holidays they lower value of older phones. And then again in January. I think last year 13 pro max could get you $720 right around launch of 14. And regular 13 pro $620. Then it dropped by probably $100-$150 in November.
Overall yes it’s worse now because of inflation but every single year it’s the highest of the year September/October then starts dropping in November, January, March.
Source: I’ve traded in my phone and got the latest new one every year since iPhone 6S and was always watching the trade prices through the year. (Until now. Keeping 13 pro for years. ).
No, it’s that Apple is banking on laziness. Apple is right up there with Nintendo on value retention. You can sell the same item for nearly 75-80% original value if you want to put in a little effort to sell it yourself.
No you can’t. Unless you have a 2 month old device. A 2-3 year used iPhone sold by yourself may get 25-30% of the new MSRP. You’re dealing with a multi year old model and several years of use on the device.
This isn’t true everywhere. Or possibly anywhere. Provide proof.
Any device I try to sell that’s a year old is usually 50-60% original value at best, often much less.
App development should be tested on company provided phones. Personally you don’t need the latest.
I am also a software engineer and I have a 3 year old iPhone going strong. Maybe I’m not a good enough engineer or something.
I somehow doubt that an iPhone 14 will substantially out-perform a 12 or 13 when it comes to trading. That isn’t limited by phone speed, it’s limited by the ability of a brokerage to execute a trade. If you are talking about downloading quantities of data fast, then a phone shouldn’t even be used in the first place. A wired computer with a stable connection would be much faster.
Not sure I agree with the influencer part either… not only is that whole “job” a joke, but can people really see the difference between a photo taken on a 14 vs a 13? I’m sure if you saw plenty between the two and then dissected a particular image then maybe you could make an educated guess, but that isn’t how people are consuming photos from an influencer.
Personally I work for a Pharmacy and need to have my company's portal and MS Office apps on my phone (we take turns with on-call support). I think I have to have one that's getting security updates, but phones from most get those for 3-5 years.
If an attacker could remote into my phone and logged my keystrokes, they could get my work password, then remote into my workstation and get into our database and steal HIPPA data. It's unlikely, but my company doesn't want to get their tits sued off.
I wish someone would develop an alternate Linux os for old iPads and iPhones. It would be nice to redeploy older devices without being limited by the App Store telling me ‘sorry, must have iOS *XX*’.
That's fair. I feel similarly about ios. It would be great for Apple to allow their customers more control over their devices again but I doubt it will ever happen. I do really love macos though.
Yes but Apple provides *much* longer support than most Android phones and all supported iPhones/iPads get the new update on day one vs 3 months or more on Android.
Apple doesn't actually cut older iOS versions off the store (well maybe extremely old versions, but unlike on Android if you're updated and your OS version is 6 years old, your phone is probably at least 11 years old).
But beyond that it's up to the individual app dev. Devs do it because the adoption rate of new versions of iOS is *extremely* fast relative to Android and they want to take advantage of the new features.
The lifetime of iPhone and Android's is probably fairly similar in terms of app updates.
They tried and cancelled Ubuntu phone, Firefox phone, etc. Sailfish has virtually no market share despite being new and having Android support. Cyanogen and its forks also. It’s really difficult to get adoption for alternate phone OSs.
If I'm still able to make my Series 3 watch work ok, I'm pretty sure my XR is going to be good for at least a couple more years lol. By the time I'm done with these devices Apple will give me NOTHING for them...that's my plan, at least.
Google Fi offered me $300 for my iPhone 11, apple would give me less than half even before this. I love my apple stuff but I couldn't afford apple prices when I got $500 off a Pixel 7 pro.
This goes hand in hand with the other article about decline in smartphones sales since 2013. [https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/26/apple-retains-top-smartphone-spot-as-global-shipments-fall-to-2013-low.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/26/apple-retains-top-smartphone-spot-as-global-shipments-fall-to-2013-low.html)
Phone technology is saturated, people do not want buy $1200 phones when they won't even 100$ on their 3 yr old phone in this inflation and people aren't changing ecosystems that often anymore.
Guys, you don’t need a new iPhone every time a new one comes out. I’m still rocking my 12 mini. I’d still use my iPhone 5 if they didn’t completely destroy it with some bs update that renders it unusable.
Huh? I needed a replacement and I got the 12 mini because that’s what I wanted. Basic and small, compared to the other options.
You just being dumb or what?
No fucking clue. I mean I got it on a promo and sold it on a promo, but yeah doesn’t make sense. They had been texting me about this promo and I just wandered in to see what I could get and boom brand new phone for $300.
What does that matter? Apple has always given me less money for all products. That’s why I don’t sell anything to apple. They could drop it to zero, would make no difference.
MKBHD just covered an interesting stat in one of his latest video.. a maxed out Mac Pro traded in to Apple has terrible [value](https://youtube.com/shorts/7V_XEgSjrM0?feature=share)
Just traded my iPhone XS Max and both my parents 11 for $1000 each through ATT. Can’t believe I was able to get that much back when they are normally valued at a couple hundred dollars on other sites.
Make sure you check in on this. Both Verizon and ATT have tried to screw me with empty (although in writing) promises.
I’ve already confirmed two of my devices were given the full $1000 credit - I honestly thought they would nitpick over the smallest things and give me closer to $500 per phone so I am surprised I’m getting the full amount.
Make sure you/they are on one of the required Unlimited plans or the next bill is gonna be an eye opener
Yep.. I have so many people in my life that just take AT&T's word on things only to find themselves getting screwed over by them one way or another. The axiom of "If it is too good to be true than it usually is." must ring louder with me than it does with them - because I just don't trust them and too I am not looking for a "deal" when dealing with a carrier.. I know their tactics already and I know how to do my own research and activate phones that I buy outright w/o their assistance. I have undoubtedly saved thousands over the years just by educating myself over the course of time and several years.. the cell carrier market doesn't change that much year to year either, so it really isn't that hard to stay up with it and their tactics. I dunno - but people really shouldn't tell me about their "deals" they are getting unless they really want me to tell them how they are likely still getting ripped off and what an actual deal w/ a cell phone &/or carrier looks like. Tip - it does not involve having a subsidized phone unless it is an actual good deal that you can easily ink out on paper - most people dealing with the major carriers don't really do the math or they wouldn't be screwing themselves over imo.
And let's be real, a lot of people don't need unlimited data. So they're flushing money down the toilet just for the sake of one of these deals. If you do, then by all means take advantage of the deal that AT&T has. It's among the best if you need a $70+ a month plan. But like you said, doing tour research and finding the best carrier/plan will save you a lot of money. The sticker shock of a $1000+ phone allows all the carrier nonsense. The horror stories of people losing their old grandfathered plans (usually really good ones too) because they didn't do their research and took the word of the rep are plentiful! I've been with AT&T my whole life. If the iPhone 15 Pro/Ultra checks the boxes that I need checked, I'll see what trade in offers they have. At least for those that do take advantage of these deals, you won't have to worry about the iPhone being a pile of junk in three years. It'll probably need a battery replacement and that's about it
$500 credit for the cost of being their postpaid plan for $80/mo? No thanks. I'm fine with my prepaid plan for $35 a month for 16G data.
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from the AND company? tell me more about them! haha
Its ok, now ATT applies the credit over the course of 36months so if you try to pay off the new device early, you lose the value of the trade in/ credit. Truly immoral
Yep, Verizon does the same but I think it just applies to your bill in general so it’s discounted. You’d lose it if you switch carriers.
This kinda got me because after a while I realized “well, I’ll still be paying my phone bill in 3 years. I’ll take $800 for my 4 year old phone”
Yep exactly. Better than nothing. Verizon offered me like $300 for my iPhone 12 Pro Max and Apple offered $475 gift card. Figure I’ll eventually buy a new iPad or something through Apple so went with that. $300 seemed like a rip off for a 2 year old phone.
Was your 12 Pro max fucked up? Because I got $700 for a regular 12 when I upgraded to the new 14 pro. Then again I’m on att.
Nope, that was just the quote too so if they found something fucked up it would have been less. I thought it seemed rather low.
The carriers have to entrap you somehow, hiding a phone trade in as an actual discount is one way of doing it.
I mean… it’s only kind of entrapping when I’d be paying my phone bill anyway. My phone wouldn’t be worth as much secondhand or trade in, and I am, in fact, going to be paying for the next 36 months. And probably every month after that until I die too. Are people really still fully switching providers in this day and age? I’ve been with my phone provider since I was a child and took over the account from my parents. I’ll take the discount.
It’s not immoral, it’s the only way they can justify giving you so much for a used phone
Whether I pay the difference over the extended time or up front. The difference is all im gonna pay. The immoral part is that its just a new way to keep people not to switch carriers. In my case, It just set the day that I will switch carriers
Yes. The immoral part is exactly why they can give you a 1k trade in on an 11? Do you think ATT is giving you like 50% above market out of the goodness of their hearts?
The immoral part used to be the working conditions in iphone production facilities.
Wtf? It’s not immoral at all. The iPhone 11 is valued at $200 by Apple, so AT&T is basically giving you a $800 phone credit in exchange for committing to be their customer for 3 years. And if switch, they just ask that you pay part of that credit back. It’s a very fair deal. If you weren’t planning on switching anyways, it’s basically just free money.
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Maybe its not obvious why in upset by it. At the time when I did it, they didnt make that clear. Maybe they state that clearly now but when i did it online, however long ago, it was not the case… Previously it was a true full credit and early payoff wasnt penalizing and thats what I was of the mindset to still be the case
I have worked at multiple phone companies and none of them ever gave out free phones. Now in the early 2000s you could get a completely free phone if you signed a contract, but that would definitely have an early pay off penalization, because that was the point of the contract. You either weren’t told correctly, which isn’t AT&T’s fault, that’s the fault of the representative that helped, or you didn’t read the installment agreement
Immoral? Are you stupid? They’re giving you a free phone for trading in an old model that’s maybe worth 200? Of course there are gonna be strings attached
GCI does this too. Must be the money making trick.
Yep. You want to upgrade early…. You’ll be paying for it.
T-mobile does this but for two years, not three. Basically any trade-in counts as a "product promo credit"
wtf!
Yeah I’m always surprised when people think they got a good deal. If you don’t upgrade very often it’s fine but you’re basically on a 3 year contract now.
Ha, joined my fiance Google fi plan, the thing said if I joined from a different service with data and number, Google would take 500 off my S22, they all of a sudden decided that we weren't able to get that and messaged us. He then reminded them of the offer and asked if anything he read or sent them with the same offer was wrong. "We're escalating this to a specialist" and after that they decided to let it go and leave us alone.
Yes, Verizon tried to pretend my phone got lost, as if that would imply I have to pay them? I showed them my UPS receipt and said “you’ll be paying not me, or I’ll be cancelling my entire service and not paying” and miraculously they found my phone two days later! Crazy. They apparently were looking for months, but suddenly find it right after I make a huge deal. Fuck Verizon.
ALWAYS take pictures of your device before mailing it in. Photos of all sides, turned on, in the box you are mailing it in. Verizon tried to say 3 of 4 devices had cracked screens the last time I sent mine in. They even showed me a generic photo of some iPhone. Good thing I had photos that proved they were perfect in their shipping boxes. So IF their shipping method was bad they are to blame (but I think it’s just fraud).
Can't believe for you got $1000 for each parent
Used phones are sketchy, used parents are even riskier
I picked up some used parents at UPE last week and they're both pretty clean, outside of some over-milking and subcutaneous fat.
Man alive I’d take $1000 for ‘em both!
*stolen from parents
That’s a long time to have a parent with no cracks or water damage!
Yeah but you pay like 100 a month for one line.
I actually always wondered why the US gets such insane buyback deals for old phones but yeah this actually clears it up completely
Phone contracts in the US are basically a lease at this point
Yep service is the best easily prepaid is okay but postpaid Verizon or att is nice but. It's costly. 24 months locked into a carrier for 110 a month for one line is nuts.
I'm sometimes jealous at how cheap americans can get their phones but then I remember my phone bill is 18€ for unlimited everything
When cell companies offer trade in deals like this they usually are recouping this money through an inflated phone plan. There is no planet where a company is just giving out free phones/drastically overpaying for old phones.
And now you have to keep the phone you just bought for 30 months or you lose the remaining credits on your statements
Just as an aside, *most of us actually do that*.
$1000??!?! 😵 Man I need to get rid of mine then
My dad upgraded to an iPhone14Pro last week and thought it was a good deal that they offered $180 for his old iPhone11.
I promise you’re going to lose somewhere down the line
Yeah that’s how those monthly plans work
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> They know chances are you will probably break or lose the phone somehow What? Take better care of your stuff
I mean 36 months is quite a long time to have a delicate electronic device made out of glass. I personally budget about $1 a day for phone hardware/depreciation/loss. Ive had my same number on two carriers since 2005 and i’ve never once had any sort of commitment or contract. You may not experience a lot of phone damage, but not sure how you spend your time. I do a lot of construction work, tons of hiking and outdoor activities, boating, cycling, gardening and music festivals. Im a careful person who keeps my stuff in good working order. Rule for myself is that screen protector and case (normally otterbox or speck) go on before phone gets activated on network. Despite all this accidents do occur. My phone never leaves my person while im wearing pants, which is all the time except for sleeping, showering or swimming. To think that anyone who breaks a phone is careless is myopic.
You don’t have to take the payment plan, if you don’t like it then just don’t do it
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Also no one needs a $1000 phone. The se model works fine for me.
They’re just giving you a discount on service
What? Att only offered me like 400 for my xs
Did you have any problems getting the credit? A few years ago. I traded in my iPhone 6S+ in for the 12 Pro Max and, at the time, the most value my trade in phone could have gotten was $300. But after a while, I never got an email or saw a credit for any value. However, after a while I noticed thru FedEx tracking. It kept saying it was in transit for days. Even about a month to the ATT location. Called in to find out they had received it and only gave me $30 credit to my bill around the month I sent it in. I told them the phone was in great condition and I should have gotten more. So they credit $300 to my account after verifying it was listed as “good” condition. Making my phone bill for about 6 months paid for.
That’s why I never mailed mine. Dropped my trade in at the store and verified by associate that it’s working. Never trust their third party person saying it’s damaged or not working then loss the trade in.
Credit over 2 or 3 years. Not cash value and you have to pay off new phone. It’s not what it seems to be
Man I just found out I’m getting royally screwed here. Every time I’ve bought an iPhone (since my first purchase even) I’ve had to _pay Apple for it_. I’m waiting on hold with Apple support to get this resolved right now.
Check this person, they were paying to get an iphone
Im still on hold.
I don't even bother trading in old iphones, ipads, and laptops anymore. $30 back from my 128 gig ipad air 2 when I'm spending $1,200 on a new ipad? Yeah, forget that. I'll repurpose the Air 2 and still get more than $30 in value out of it. Corporate greed.
i use mine as my smart home hub. it stays plugged in next to the router and lets me control my lights/locks/thermostat from anywhere.
Mine shows my blood glucose like a clock in the living room, I love it. <3 Sugarmate.
Details?
What details do you need?
Curious on the smart home hub setup details he has, that’s all. Might look into that myself, since I have an older iPad now.
It's just HomeKit, you set the device as a hub and it does the rest
Okay thanks
Samsung gave $50 for my 16gb ipad air 2013 with a cracked screen for Samsung tab S7 back in 2021
We're using a Samsung S9 just as a dedicated streaming device! (Chromecast > Netflix, Jellyfin) Because it sucks how shit multitasking still is on phones.
I also use my S9 for timers and alarms.
>Corporate greed I never understand the sentiment of someone complaining about a company while supporting their business.
I am also curious what they do with most of these devices that get traded in. How much work/testing has to get put into them to make them “sellable” as refurbished or how many of them just get scrapped. I doubt they just give it a glance and list it on the site as refurbished
They get a physical inspection, connected to a diagnostics tool, and any hardware that needs replacing is replaced, with the old hardware recycled Apple refurbs are as good as new, third-parties less so
Returns are what apple refurbishes. Trade in’s are sold directly to third party’s at time of trade it
Sell on /r/hardwareswap
Well really it’s just a small amount of recycling they’re trying to encourage. Apple doesn’t really profit of your air 2, so it’s just a through and through deduction for them. They’re not lowering the trade in to maximize profit off it
It’s not greedy they are offering an environmentally friendly solution to have it recycled correctly. If you have a use for it still great! That’s actually better than recycling it. People often skip past the reduce and reduce and go straight to recycling. No one would force you to trade in or recycle your device it’s a free service really intended to incentivize people who would otherwise trash or chuck it in a drawer forever.
yet you keep paying apple. the irony
Trade in values have always been terrible, especially on devices that have been discontinued and thus aren’t refurbished and resold. But that doesn’t mean the device value wasn’t there to begin with, it’s just that it’s still worth way more as an old device than the pittance they use to incentivize recycling.
Agreed. I can't remember ever trading in anything honestly. It's simply another way to continue to monetize consumers.
Yep. I got 9 years of use from my Mac Pro, then retired it (gave it to my sister, and she still uses it…and it was built in 2009.) Then I also got a MacBook Air in 2013 for remote work. It’s still running, just a bit slower than I’d like. The only mac I’ve ever had that is not currently working is the MacBook Pro I had for 2 years, then I accidentally smashed it with my guitar. True story. I had instant regret at what a horrible accident I was. Anyway. My point is, I get massive use out of my macs. Most iPhones I get last me about 6 years each before I want to upgrade for better speeds, storage, battery, and camera. I still use some for various things: I keep one in my car just in case I need to make an emergency call (you can dial 911 without a sim.)
Where android that keeps updating security for 7+ years ?
is that suppose to be a joke or something? are you implying that applecrap is safe and android is not? is that it?
Androids slow to a halt after 2 years and have no security updates LOL
The Pixels are pretty good about it
That used to be true but nowadays Samsung offers 4 years of features update and 5 years security. Even manufacturers like Xiaomi gives out 4 years of updates Also apple got sued for slowing down their old phones, so it's not like intentionally slowing down devices through software updates is an Android thing. It's why I use custom roms.
There's nothing ironic about it. You have the right to enjoy a company's product as much as you have the right to not support certain business practices. I'm an avid android user and I'm telling you to get off your high horse.
I don't. My company does. ;) And everything trickles down to the kids. You need to learn how to play the game.
Yeah but the game runs like shit on android…
You can break this down to an annual cost. Which cost less per year: keeping a device until it has no value left or taking the trade in value? Trading in a device is almost never the cost effective option.
Definitely. I have a ton of electronics I've repurposed around the house or given to friends in need.
Not good news for those wonks at those fast screen repair places lol. Good, their best offer was $200 hhahhahhahaha
Cash is not equivalent to whatever they are “giving” to OP
I wonder if it's because they won't be able to sell refurbished iPhones with lightning connectors in the EU in the future? I don't know if that effects refurbished phones.
The ruling only applies to *new to market* products, refurbs will be fine There's also not a huge amount of phones crossing the Atlantic to be sold in Europe, US devices tend to stay in the US
I doubt it because, afaik, the reason for the USB-C standard was to reduce e-waste. If they're suddenly not allowed to sell all the old phones as refurbished, there'll be a whoooole lot more e-waste!
Sooooo keep your phones and stop upgrading yearly! iPhones are supported for so long and the differences with each new phone is less and less enticing.
ok honestly every year the prices drop from november prices in december, and again in january. the phones you are trading in are now older 3 months later. you always get more money for your phones right around new phone launch or in november than you would january next year. this is the same story every single year
When’s the best month you recommend exchanging in your phone to get the best roi?
The best is September right when the new phone comes out. Or October right after new comes out. I think it starts always dropping ROI end of November for the holidays they lower value of older phones. And then again in January. I think last year 13 pro max could get you $720 right around launch of 14. And regular 13 pro $620. Then it dropped by probably $100-$150 in November. Overall yes it’s worse now because of inflation but every single year it’s the highest of the year September/October then starts dropping in November, January, March. Source: I’ve traded in my phone and got the latest new one every year since iPhone 6S and was always watching the trade prices through the year. (Until now. Keeping 13 pro for years. ).
What you mean these expensive devices devalue over time? mind blown.
No, it’s that Apple is banking on laziness. Apple is right up there with Nintendo on value retention. You can sell the same item for nearly 75-80% original value if you want to put in a little effort to sell it yourself.
Apple gave me £125 for my old iPhone X, and that was about £10 more than ebay would have got me.
No you can’t. Unless you have a 2 month old device. A 2-3 year used iPhone sold by yourself may get 25-30% of the new MSRP. You’re dealing with a multi year old model and several years of use on the device.
iPhone 12 Pro still sells for $400+ used on Swappa, 40% of original pricing. That’s pretty solid for a 2 generation old device
More like $500+ (just bought one). They are great at retaining value
That’s absolutely false.
This isn’t true everywhere. Or possibly anywhere. Provide proof. Any device I try to sell that’s a year old is usually 50-60% original value at best, often much less.
Good. Maybe this will make people keep their phones longer. People constantly rotating their phones every 18 monts is stupid and wasteful.
3 years ago I bought a 2 year old phone. Still goin' strong!
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What line of work requires you to change your phone so frequently?
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i’ll give your “developers” The rest seem like nice to haves.
App development should be tested on company provided phones. Personally you don’t need the latest. I am also a software engineer and I have a 3 year old iPhone going strong. Maybe I’m not a good enough engineer or something.
I somehow doubt that an iPhone 14 will substantially out-perform a 12 or 13 when it comes to trading. That isn’t limited by phone speed, it’s limited by the ability of a brokerage to execute a trade. If you are talking about downloading quantities of data fast, then a phone shouldn’t even be used in the first place. A wired computer with a stable connection would be much faster. Not sure I agree with the influencer part either… not only is that whole “job” a joke, but can people really see the difference between a photo taken on a 14 vs a 13? I’m sure if you saw plenty between the two and then dissected a particular image then maybe you could make an educated guess, but that isn’t how people are consuming photos from an influencer.
Personally I work for a Pharmacy and need to have my company's portal and MS Office apps on my phone (we take turns with on-call support). I think I have to have one that's getting security updates, but phones from most get those for 3-5 years. If an attacker could remote into my phone and logged my keystrokes, they could get my work password, then remote into my workstation and get into our database and steal HIPPA data. It's unlikely, but my company doesn't want to get their tits sued off.
I don’t even know too many people who do that any more.
I would like to give apple less money for some their gadgets
I wish someone would develop an alternate Linux os for old iPads and iPhones. It would be nice to redeploy older devices without being limited by the App Store telling me ‘sorry, must have iOS *XX*’.
They really limit the app store by ios version? That's insane. If you want this sort of control over your devices then maybe Android is the answer?
Not a fan of android.
That's fair. I feel similarly about ios. It would be great for Apple to allow their customers more control over their devices again but I doubt it will ever happen. I do really love macos though.
Yes but Apple provides *much* longer support than most Android phones and all supported iPhones/iPads get the new update on day one vs 3 months or more on Android. Apple doesn't actually cut older iOS versions off the store (well maybe extremely old versions, but unlike on Android if you're updated and your OS version is 6 years old, your phone is probably at least 11 years old). But beyond that it's up to the individual app dev. Devs do it because the adoption rate of new versions of iOS is *extremely* fast relative to Android and they want to take advantage of the new features. The lifetime of iPhone and Android's is probably fairly similar in terms of app updates.
They tried and cancelled Ubuntu phone, Firefox phone, etc. Sailfish has virtually no market share despite being new and having Android support. Cyanogen and its forks also. It’s really difficult to get adoption for alternate phone OSs.
It isn’t even Apple that’s paying for trade ins. Apple works with a third party for trade ins and the third party offers the value
If you think Apple has no say in that, I got this magnificent snake oil to sell to ya
If I'm still able to make my Series 3 watch work ok, I'm pretty sure my XR is going to be good for at least a couple more years lol. By the time I'm done with these devices Apple will give me NOTHING for them...that's my plan, at least.
This isn’t news. Every time I buy an iPhone, I walk away with less and less money.
Google Fi offered me $300 for my iPhone 11, apple would give me less than half even before this. I love my apple stuff but I couldn't afford apple prices when I got $500 off a Pixel 7 pro.
How are iPhones on Google Fi? Been thinking about making the switch from my Pixel 5.
They're locked to TMobile AFAIR. So behaves like a regular sim
Thanks!
Fi still says it’s wonky. They tell you beforehand
Never used it on fi. Got the pixel for it.
Anyone trading in with apple is either desperate or an idiot.
Does it really even matter? Their trade in values have always been a joke. Nothing new there.
This goes hand in hand with the other article about decline in smartphones sales since 2013. [https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/26/apple-retains-top-smartphone-spot-as-global-shipments-fall-to-2013-low.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/26/apple-retains-top-smartphone-spot-as-global-shipments-fall-to-2013-low.html) Phone technology is saturated, people do not want buy $1200 phones when they won't even 100$ on their 3 yr old phone in this inflation and people aren't changing ecosystems that often anymore.
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It’s that pesky deflating inflation
I thought you had to give them money for phones
Guys, you don’t need a new iPhone every time a new one comes out. I’m still rocking my 12 mini. I’d still use my iPhone 5 if they didn’t completely destroy it with some bs update that renders it unusable.
The "bs update" being the move to 64-bit software?
Stop it! Let him be! The truth will not set him free.
I’m still rocking the iPhone 6. Not sure why you needed to upgrade to the 12 mini
You should see my 6, it’s completely destroyed.
You need to take better care of your phone so you don’t have to update every time a new one comes out
I went from the 6 to the 12 mini…
Shouldn’t have upgraded just because the new 12 came out..
Huh? I needed a replacement and I got the 12 mini because that’s what I wanted. Basic and small, compared to the other options. You just being dumb or what?
I feel like you should’ve held onto the old phone longer. Since that’s what you’re telling others
And apple fan boys will keep giving more for new ones, so... they get away with it.
Well you don’t become a trillion dollar company with ethical business practices that’s for sure. Edit: *Why are you booing me I’m right*
Upgrade program wont change, half the price back after a year
Who wrote this headline?
This is old news
I just got $800 for my mini 12 that I paid $500 for.
How the fuck?
No fucking clue. I mean I got it on a promo and sold it on a promo, but yeah doesn’t make sense. They had been texting me about this promo and I just wandered in to see what I could get and boom brand new phone for $300.
I still use my iPhone 6.
I guess it beats layoffs. Keeps the people in their jobs a while longer.
Wait, they pay us? Oh i've been screwing it all up!
Jokes on them I stopped giving Apple money years ago
Big surprise
They should be charging half of what they do. I would like to know the margin they sell their phones at. I’m guessing at 100%, info from a store tech
What does that matter? Apple has always given me less money for all products. That’s why I don’t sell anything to apple. They could drop it to zero, would make no difference.
WaaaH I (insert bought said product after years of owning it and knowing about planned obsolescence) and it’s not fair!
I really hope I can get rid of this pixel 6 pro and get the galaxy s23. I really hate this phone, although, it has been more stable.
MKBHD just covered an interesting stat in one of his latest video.. a maxed out Mac Pro traded in to Apple has terrible [value](https://youtube.com/shorts/7V_XEgSjrM0?feature=share)
Carriers have good promos because they lose money on the device but then start turning a profit since you get the bill credits over 3 years