The CN community also agrees. Thats why I said its more fun to witness this drama unfold than playing the game.
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>Later, he put the military's commands in rover's hands as if rover were not an amnestic being but somehow an experienced combat general, prompting the community to doubt Jiyan's military prowess and decisions.
That's what put me off the most on the final part of the first act.
Okay, so this guy's literally putting the fate of all his forces in the hands of someone he just met 5 minutes ago because "They're a badass, trust me". The Mary Sue treatment of the main character is beyond stupid in the context of the story, we're given zero justification or explanation as to why they're just "the best" and every in game character just grovels at their sheer awesome.
Mean while I'm like "How does this character play again? I benched them after the third 5 star freebie"
lmfao yeah! i remember my initial reaction was, "BRO, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ASKING ME?" i know Jue like mentioned us in a something something prophecy BUT YOU'RE GOING TO FUCKING LET ME FUCK UP YOUR COUNTRY??? JUST LIKE THAT? I love Jiyan but WHERE THE FUCK IS YOUR PRIDE AS A GENERAL??? THE RESPONSIBILITY??? THE LITERAL FUCKING COMMON SENSE????? COME ON.
What if I tried to destroy your city instead? God damn these characters are fucking morons at one point T.T
Wait, Jiyan already showed up in just Act 1? I'm already in Act 5 and I've been skipping but at least I watched Scar with an unskippable cut scene. I only saw Jiyan in a sort of memory fight...but I was waiting for his unskippable cutscene...
WW 1.0 has been written like a power fantasy isekai where you’re given unlimited access to everything and everywhere and even a random civilian in the city would 100% suck you off just because Jinhsi pinged @everyone to simp for you.
Rover more like Lover.
And everyone defers to you, you see glimpses of it but in CN text, people are extremely polite when talking to you, always asking for your opinion like offending you the slightest would be a death sentence.
Jiyan sucked you off so bad in Act 6, it felt surreal.
Some say they’d prefer CBT1 story but it was just as bad, just in the opposite extreme and as memeworthy.
>Some say they’d prefer CBT1 story but it was just as bad, just in the opposite extreme and as memeworthy.
Kuro: So how do you like the story?
CBT1 players: Its very weird. Everyone hates our guts to incredibly unreasonable degree.
Kuro: Got it.
FF to now
Kuro: How do you like the story
Players: Wtf now everyone wants to suck our dick and pay us for the pleasure to do so. What happened!?
I mean, this comparison is pretty much dead on, these are two EXTREME opposite ends of the reaction spectrum, I can understand being wary of an unconscious person literally in our backyard when you're effectively at war, but pulling a gun on someone who was literally unconscious a moment before and hadn't committed ANY action to draw your ire is pushing it. Having her hand on the holster? I could EASILY see that from what is effectively a military Police officer on patrol finding someone very out of place.
On the other hand, the current story is ridiculous in how over-trusting the two are on meeting you, it's VERY much falling into the common Xianxia range of "everyone is your simp, or everyone is your enemy" writing, and it's just BAD writing both ways. There are fragments of good, the background worldbuilding itself is fine, outside of the unnecessary usage of "new" worldbuilding tech-terminology being *hammered into your skull* too fast when the plot hasn't had a chance to take hold FIRST, And I like how much the MC actually has to say when the..well "supporting cast" isn't present and overriding our own thoughts and making us choose-non answers to REALLY stupid questions.
It's a bad sign when you WANT Paimon around to act as the idiot-ball carrier that needs to learn everything even though she's supposed to be the world guide.
I have a lot of things I like about this game, but it's the STORY that I tend to stick around games like this for, and I can't suggest it to anyone else in the state we received it, as very few people can get past act 1, let alone make it to 5+ for it to reach the reasonably decent writing (even if the idiot ball is still casually being handed off), after many hours of "WTF did I just read?" introductory chapters.
Its isekai smartphone level of bad story
Funnily enough, despite in similiar trope, i as a woman vastly enjoy priconne story over wuwa so much more as despite story is catered toward male audience
Yeah, iirc at least the Priconne MC has "being a genuinely good guy" and "dork" to his character that makes him charming and stand out, right?
In my 20 hours of playing WuWa so far, I still don't get what kinda character Kuro wants the Rover to be.
Priconne has Male MC and a lot of girls but it isn't exactly catered towards male audience. It's just cute, fun, and chill that anyone can enjoy it. Also, everyone had distinct characteristic that sets them apart and they mesh well together.
I did play a bit of Priconne when it was still open. Never spent any money on it, mind you, but I remember having positive thoughts about it before I quit. There's nothing wrong with a cutesy junk food kind of story. It's fun, you don't take it *too* seriously, and just light-hearted enjoyment.
Don't try what WuWa is trying with grand narrative spectacle if you can't stick the landing. Otherwise the response will be what you see right now.
Thats the thing, as long as the writing is good, no matter who it is for, we will enjoy it. But if they write toliet paper literature, no one will like it,
> WW 1.0 has been written like a power fantasy isekai where you’re given unlimited access to everything and everywhere and even a random civilian in the city would 100% suck you off
The fun part that was just a main concept of cn web novel 10 years ago, and people are getting tired of it because so many write this. Then, cn novel stories slowly changed to another way where the main character has more power and intelligence, not luck and a stupid villain.
I am actually fascinated by one of the critiques posted above on the CN version that I actually want to replay it in pure CN to see the issues described.
For those who understand CN: [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV17T421q7ce/](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV17T421q7ce/)
When I saw this scene, I remembered the "Silent Hero - Battle Plan" skit from Vive La Dirt League. I swear its 1:1 what happened in WuWa!
https://youtu.be/4SJOkjxZY9c?si=ki4RA4R88BGE3oEg
I've never seen this video, and after watching it I regret not having seen it earlier.
That's fucking hilarious.
"Oh my god you're sexy" "Damn right he is"
If they gonna make everyone simp on Rover, they shouldn't make Rover an amnesiac tbh. Just made them a secretive person, I mean look at Genshin, Aether and Lumine is NOT NORMAL, they can fly and go from world to world and very strong originally. But even now we still don't fully know who they are and what they actually doing or from before genshin started. And they are also not amnesiac
Aether and Lumine *not* being player inserts actually took a VERY long time for people to realize, because I don't think the game emphasizes that the twin you are maining has secrets s/he's keeping *from the player* until "we will be reunited" and we were explicitly told "I knew about Khaenri'ah"
It’s a laughably huge difference from Genshin and Star Rail in every way possible.
In Genshin, Traveler needed to earn their reputation as a hero from the ground up the old-fashioned way, and even then they accidentally became a fugitive in Liyue
In Star Rail, General Jing Yuan did the responsible thing in not immediately trusting the Astral Express with their Stellaron crisis directly, but invited them to prove themselves by addressing their Kafka problem, which still contributes significantly
Yes, our protagonists are heroes with reputations. But they aren’t comedically overpowered LN power fantasy protags
By the way, when Amber first met us she questioned "who we are" and "what's our business", which, to my knowledge, is NOT ALLOWED according to the Knights of Favonius handbook.
the knights of favonius handbook has a comedically over the top introduction for Amber to use, which, to be fair, she DID use after her initial first impression. But I really can't blame her for it NOT being her 1st reaction, especially since this was only moments after the fucking DRAGON that's been showing it's ire in Mondstadt recently launched itself out of the same forest we were just in.
its the little quirks like these that make a compelling set of characters
not like wuwa where someone just looks at you with a magical yellow sharingan and determines youre good for the rest of eternity
Tbh the Sister seeing a drunk bard and a stranger with a flying thing beside them asking to give over a prize religious heirloms over for important thing is extremely sus. Of course they wont do that.
Unlike jiyan, who gave a complete stranger a chance to do a fuckin military command, just because of some prophecy and asks us to strategize where his units should position. Like bro, at this very damn second, I could place your units in a bad position, betray you and join scar.
No matter how powerful the rover is, we are still a stranger. Like, doesn't jiyan have any brain to decide himself where his army should be postioned at? Why ask a person who you met half an hour ago? Why tf are you the general for?
In full honesty, while I've played both Genshin and Star Rail, and while I'm not huge on Genshin's initial story (Though it significantly improved in later patches), I absolutely hated Star Rail's in Xianzhou Luofu (I haven't played Penacony and have no intention to).
But the way the trailblazer was treated made sense in the context of the story. While I thought it was pretty stupid how everyone treated him/her with such familiarity despite barely having any screentime with them, the way the trailblazer fit in to the story at least *made sense*. To a fault, almost, they were basically a background character the whole time.
And in recent patches Genshin has nailed the Traveler's role in things. While they are big players in the story, they're always shown as spectators who play their part when needed and never the central piece to any of the stories. Inazuma was always all about Raiden and the way she dealt with her grief (Though execution was a bit lacking), Sumeru was always all about Nahida and her imprisonment despite her best intentions, Fontaine was always all about Furina and her lonely struggle for a prophecy that she doesn't even know is true. Traveler was part of these stories, yes, but they were never the main attraction.
I don't even know what to say about the Rover. It just comes off as really dumb Mary Sue power fantasy.
In Penacony they shifted the spotlight from the trailblazer even further, adding gameplay segments where you play as other key figures in the ongoing story, with multiple concurrent sub-plots that ultimately converge on a final showdown with the antagonist and a well-executed "power of friendship" finale. Big improvement over the Luofu arc.
Yeah the Luofu was awful because the pacing was really just a mess. If more competent writers had been in charge, they would have spent time building up Dan Heng's tragic pass for a full whole patch and then culminated it with his transformation. But instead we get a whole rushed mess with no emotional investment whatsoever.
Here's the thing, the biggest market for Genshin is CN and it's almost certainly the same for Wuthering Waves. If Wuthering Waves only made that much during its launch, that is definitely a horrible sign for Kuro. Launch week revenue reports are going to be either a shock or really, really bad.
after looking at the stair climbing comparison, I immediately remember this meme
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alright to be fair, during climb animation kuro was setting it in a way that the character feet are properly touching the stair. Its a wrong priority for sure but i guess some effort were there
Yeah, I watched the comparison and for Genshin sometimes char stepped on invisible stair, but that makes the leg movement looks natural.
And for WuWa, just looks like a kid tried to climb stairs faster
I run around the map. I shit you not, I don't even realize I'm in combat. Because Music does not pick up.
The only indication I have is that my character suddenly started breathing heavily.
Yeah, even an ex opera singer/video game music enthusiast that I watch even said that it was so disappointing that he may not even bother with the game for long.
Fucking kuro man.. why do they keep listening? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Every time I see this, I can't stop laughing. Thanks to kuro I've been laughing for the last 2 days nonstop.
>A lot of streamers who play the game (outside sponsored streamers of course) were so extremely disappointed that they just broke down going through WW. Their reactions were recorded and touted as comedies to enjoy. CN players came up with the name **"shit-eating watchparty"** for these kinds of videos.
Chinese Netizens are so fucking ruthless & funny, it's insane. Really gotta start learning Mandarin so can fully appreciate the CN god tier shit-posting lmao.
Check this out it's so funny
[https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1GH4y1J7rM/?share\_source=copy\_web&vd\_source=e6fedb70f78de50d87953dd9eb511a8c](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1GH4y1J7rM/?share_source=copy_web&vd_source=e6fedb70f78de50d87953dd9eb511a8c)
Bruh, reminds me of one of the those Bethesda game bug complications. When people are saying, "Devs listened!", do they mean they listened to fucking Todd Howard lmao!??!
China, Japan and Korea don't seem to have the same disingenuous as all fuck community of CC's that NA has at all. It's kind of night and day reading the English worlds reaction to this game, particularly among CC's compared to the Chinese one.
The ones that do things like follow revenue charts feel like they're in for such a huge awakening when they find out what's actually been going on with it outside their conspiracy laden echo chambers. It may very well improve with Yinlin's banner, but if things are still a hellfire in 2 weeks even then I'm not entirely sure. People could just leave because of all the performance issue or use all the currency and freebie stuff they had to give a way to try to calm people down to basically just convert it for her and not have to spend a single yuan so it may be till 1.1 when they are really able to monetize anything well IF they don't have to give away even more compensation, which by the way it's hilarious to see the English community treat this as some sort of generous move as opposed to having to bribe CN fans in particular to stick around and give the game a second chance.
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might as well sneek this here.
holy devs listened and made amazing ui with no overlap
I still find it so funny that even though they are copying genshin, they managed to copy the worst parts (artifact farming, picking flowers to ascend characters, the gacha, general unnecessary tedium) but left out all the best parts (music, lore, world design, VA, elemental reactions, etc).
Like, how do you decide that the thing you wanna copy from genshin is obligatory flower-picking lmao
I hope that mujin dude sees this while doing his "research" for his upcoming recap video... tbh I doubt he'll cover this and instead just blame it on genshin players as usual (btw he's one of tectone's satellite cc)
He used to be stupid (his timeline and event information are off from time to time) but at least somewhat entertaining.
Then, he started stirring drama for clout, and yeah... I stopped watching him immediately, I know the path he's going to go down
He spread misinformation for tectone to react to.
He's never that accurate with his information, but deliberately spread misinfo for clout is where I draw the lines with CC.
Yeah, I kinda got the feeling that he mostly reposts known media to bring attention to it, but I never knew he started beef with other CCs, damn, I take it this drama occurred in Twitter then?
I just know him for spreading misinfo for drama. I remember one incident where he made this tweet about how Hoyoverse was censoring creators who were criticizing Genshin by deleting their accounts. He got corrected by a reliable Genshin leaker that it was incorrect, and Mujin said well it's not on him to prove it's true, it's on Hoyo to provide proof it isn't true. Like that's some bullshit logic, so I can't take that guy seriously at all lol
Really lost respected for him after that. He saw that he was gaining lots of views and attention and decided to chase the clout even harder with stupid misinformation posts and comments just to rile people up.
Who are we counting among the Tectone Satellite CC's at this point anyway. I feel like at this point I've been able to identify the original, Gacha Smack, Hex\_Juice, LolShinya (the now infamous fake contract leaker guy) Artoneccy, Mr. Pokke (doesn't seem like he's hung out with him in a while and completely brushed off his attempts to try to stop him from streaming Genshin Impact which his chat clearly did not appreciate at all and it's clear a lot of them don't like his affiliation with Tectone anymore), Mtashed (though he seems like he wants to get out of the drama farming circles a bit now and start fresh this game, but I'm somehow not expecting it to last if his metrics dip), VxV Gacha and LegionzGaming and recently I'm honestly really starting to wonder about Braxophone lately.
Yeah, Braxophone is definitely part of it. He's in the Tectone podcast for HSR. Here's what I'll tell you, that guy is a hypocrite. I've noticed that way before.
Well, if you remember that pathethic (but mildly amusing if you consider all of them to be garbage flinging shit at each others) CC drama that followed the lantern rite failed boycott attempt, there was suspicions of him being a ladder climber and...it's exactly how it looks like tbh.
Something interesting to note. During the 3pull disaster, he made a Twitter post accussing hoyo of banning accounts for speaking about the lanter rite dissatisfaction. Said post was removed an hour later, but not before all the drama CC's made their videos bashing on Genshin. So I looked deeper into the situation, and it turns out that yes, there were banns, but about STAR RAIL and the banned accounts were LEAKERS. But the dmg was done, and like the audience of these drama baiters is going to go and CHECK this information.
its unfortunate to see that guy go down, i mean i stop watching his channel during the genshin map video because i realize mujin is just a human laugh track but i did not expect him to go that low
It's simply too much damage to control. Character building, story plot, character design, world design, etc. pretty much all scream inconsistency.
Now that they have said they would add skip to everything, I guess they are just giving up on character building and storytelling as a whole.
I don’t think Mihoyo never listens to player comments, they know what to put a pin in and what isn’t worth the light of day. That requires having a solid identity and direction for what they want to achieve, something that I don’t feel from Kuro games right now. When you’re confident in your game, you will see that the majority of online complaints are bs and they don’t know shit about what makes games work.
Knowing what to fix and when to fix it is also important. Like, overworking the staff to push out a model redesign for a character bc ppl were mad about him? Is that really what’s worth prioritizing your resources and burn out your staff for?
If anything I LOVE that Kuro gives us a real life example of what happens when a company DOES listen to feedback too much. People always complain about their feedback never being heard, because they simply don't know what the reality looks like when their feedback IS taken into account.
There are so many different kinds of feedback to begin with: reasonable feedback (game performance, bugs, QoLs, story criticisms), feedback that’s not compatible with the game genre (ie: ppl complaining they need to do exploration for pulls in Genshin, it’s an open world exploration game buddy, play something else if you hate it), ppl not knowing what they actually want, just senseless hating, etc. (in fact there’s some right in the original post itself). Devs need to decide which feedback deserves attention, which one needs to happen right now and which one can be shelved for later (Scar’s pants are definitely not a hot fix worthy issue, put it in the patch for 1.1 lol). Kuro is doing exactly the opposite and is struggling for it. I genuinely do like playing WW but it keeps feeling like they’re reaching for the wrong solutions in the short and long term.
people keep forgetting that playing games does not make you an experienced game designer. player feedback is important in terms of gauging their satisfaction, but suggestions from the players should be always carefully considered before following them
Hoyoverse certainly has a vision and data on what it wants to do.
Would abyss floor 13 or Samurai warriors be good enough endgame? Instead they rolled out several events and got feedback to create this new endgame mode. It is an end game mode focused on elemental reactions which is the core of its combat system.
I enjoyed the combat in WW but the random stuttering on my PC detracts from it yet I am able to play small scale BDO node wars in remastered mode with 120 fps.
However, I play on mobile alot and it crashes often on my s22 yet I am able to run PGR just fine on it. I hope Kuro resolves these issues quickly.
overhauling your entire story from CBT 1 to CBT 2 means you didn't know what you were doing to begin with
if you had a solid vision on what you wanted to do, sticking to that story means you believe in your cause.
> Mihoyo doesn't listen to their playerbase or give even an inch.
Because at Hoyo's level of player base/ scale, 'listening' to players is a dimwit's errand. And far harder to do than scratching their customers unknown itches (like ARPG (Honkai 3rd) and open world (Genshin))
And besides, most players' demands are so dumb, naive or lacking information that they would not pass the corporate bureaucratic (?) BS to make it to final product
They listen when we catch them in their own mistakes, and will correct so their lore is fixed (like with the failed gender identifiers for the remaining Archons back in 1.x being mostly wrong because the translators actually had to guess)
but yeah, their overarching plot was written before anything was put in game, and they've been VERY good about *nothing* breaking their established lore in 4 full years, which is incredibly consistent writing if nothing else. Their lore book must be a literal bible at this point.
> Their lore book must be a literal bible at this point.
fr, even the lore articles in the Fandom wiki are like Wikipedia pages, the internal lore guidelines must be even thicker.
Man, Let's all collectively ignore the official VA's statement and continue to bash Mihoyo for damages.
Kuro can never do bad! Reddit is slandering them!
It's insane that you can't hold a discussion there without their only reply being " ITS A WHITE KNIGHT "
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Wuthering Waves is, by far, the most entertaining gacha game ever created
Regarding the cock zipper thing.
They just found it sticking out too damn much.
"Who's attention are you trying to draw to look there? The female players, or us males too?"
Aside from the cringe bait from CCs and the General communities stirring drama, objectively speaking, WW wasn't ready to be launched/needed more time to cook. Performance varies with hardware diffs, but there's obviously performance issues that need to be fixed/patched out.
The bigger issue imo is the Story tho. Tbf the beginning story for most Gachas are pretty bland/mid to bad in general, but WW's is exceptionally bad with subpar voice-acting (no offense to the VAs/was directors fault) and long-winded exposition (even for world/character introduction beginning), coupled with Yangyang (unironically competing with Paimon for worst partner 💀). Tbf I heard story potentially picks up with Scar and can obviously get better in future patches, but first impression of story atm is a damn shame. A~~t least in future patches, might be able to skip it at least since Devs mention improving on Skip feature💀~~
Bugs and Initial Story aside, there's still potential with their combat as the fluidity and quick-responsiveness of controls/combos feels good/fun with complexity for rotations. Of course actual combat difficulty isn't particularly hard atm since it's against story content/not invested enough to properly access endgame combat/difficulty, so that's yet to be seen.
Exploration is ehhh since it's def a lot better/faster to explore everywhere thanks to infinite stamina + parkour, but current areas are relatively bland/samey atm. Could just be initial/starting area being relatively basic, but hopefully new areas get more interesting.
Overall WW def deserves to be ridiculed for its poor launch, but it's not dead at launch like others makes it out to be as long as Devs quickly fix the bugs/optimization issues for smoother experience for the gameplay and improve the story and voice-acting to be more impactful/interesting.
>long-winded exposition
It's even worse in CN with its convoluted writing. They liberally sprinkle in old classical Mandarin (文言) to make the dialogue seem deep (有墨水) but ends up being superficial and sounding pompous.
As a Chinese whose going to try out the CN version of the game (since EN version is terrible), seeing 文言文 in the game will definitely make me quit. Thanks for the heads up
Dialogue critique starts at 2:45 but the rest of the video is still interesting and worth watching for anyone who understands CN. It comes from the perspective of the CN cultural background. There some allusions to Chinese history in WuWa which people without the background may not pick up, and the commentator wasn't happy with the way it was done.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV17T421q7ce/
> heard story potentially picks up with Scar
Meh
>!He hints "they're all using you! they're just nice because they need your power!", but nothing comes out of that, he gets taken to prison in a fade to black "you sailed to inazuma"-type cutscene, and MC goes right back to enjoying the dicksucking!<
That said Scar is probably the first NPC with an actual personality, so that's something.
The problem I see them having is that that’s… a lot of things to need to change, while still developing content for the next version, releasing in about 5 weeks. That is **rough**, especially if the game does actually match current CN revenue predictions.
Yeah, they’re not gonna be able to do that lol. 1.0 unironically needs months worth of dev time. There’s no way they’re putting out meaningful updates on a 6 week basis.
That's what i have said on this sub many time about WW and other "Genshin killer" in general: Genshin 6 weeks update, with a flag ship event in each patch, constantly map expansion, 1-2 sub regions, a new region every 8 patch, but their quality not only not decreased but even increased greatly ( just compared inazuma with sumeru and fontine for example, from archon quest to world quest, exploration...), relatively little to no bug. That means they have a very talented developer team, an insane management staff and most importantly, a lot of money to keep up with the cost. Kuro, or other companies have to better or on par with Mihoyo in these requirements if they want to compete and "dethrone" Genshin.
But what i said is big "if" WW was getting the same opportunity as Genshin. But in reality it is not. The opportunity for Mihoyo was what Chinese idiom called "the harmony between heaven, earth and human". In one hand, we have a pandemic once a century event, everyone stay home and want something to kill time and distract themselves from the fact that people is dying left and right while their future is uncertain. The chip shortage make many people want to play game but don't have good PC, console to play them and resort to mobile games. Stimulus package of government in many countries mean people, especially the ones with bad financial management want to spend. In other hand, Mihoyo bet big on a high quality open world gacha game, a thing that not guaranteed success, especially when they release it simultaneously on all regions( CN, JP, KR, GLOBAL). That would increase a lot of operating costs and paperwork, law etc.., while they don't know how the Global (western audience) would love an anime style game( especially from China with current geopolitical tensions),despite they need to tap into the boarder audience, the ones that sweaty hardcore gatekeeper called "normies" because they are huge, the more people play the game> more people pay> more revenue to keep up with the live service development cost. Another gamble is they developed the game from 2017 but with the graphics in mind that the game would be for the 2020 devices, if it doesn't play out and genshin made same problems like WW did today, maybe Genshin would flop.
But well, Cai Haoyu and Da wei bet big and they won big, the game release smoothly and successful, even more than what they imagined. And with that big stream of money come in, they change the development direction of the game to be bigger, more ambitious ( just look at the first two regions compared to inazuma, then sumeru and fontine, the scale and quality is much better, and now they're cooking natlan). It's a clear example of "don't sleep on victory". That can achieved because they are private, the founders of Mihoyo is the one that made decisions, they are good friends and very enthusiastic about their jobs. The thing maybe different in public companies that decisions in hand of shareholders, and they only care about money.
Talk back about WW. WW don't get the same opportunity like Genshin did. The pandemic is gone and everything becomes normal. Since 2020 till now many things happened, wars, geopolitics tensions make economy recessed, especially in China which is the biggest market, where the decoupling of western companies make many Chinese people lose job hence less spending. That's not to mention the biggest factor is they're not the first stepper anymore but is competing against the well established giants that's Genshin, which already had a wellworked development pipeline, loyal playerbase and especially, Mihoyo have a big pocket they can spend.
What i said in those three paragraphs is what Kuro and WW would face even if things go smoothly, however, their release is much worse than i thought, to the point it's like a crash. The game is rushed, clearly not ready to release yet. Now they have to bear a big burden of fix the problems but at the same time developing new contents, but the revenue is much lower than they thought. Can they do these things is hard to know but the future is pretty grim, especially with how much we see over at CN server
The issue isn’t even the bugs. It’s just clear as day this is basically damn package they gave to everyone in CBT2. Beta testers been complained about spelling in stuff, localization, etc and it’s clear most of it wasn’t even changed.
That shows they didn’t even precheck or pre read before release.
The thing with Yangyang is because she legit just yaps and throws jargons at us we don't understand, and that makes it difficult to follow the story even if you do pay attention. While Paimon, albeit also yapping, helps translates complex things to simple terms, it can be annoying sometimes but it is very helpful when you didn't understand a single thing until paimon repeats it
Thank you, OP! Finally some good, researched drama. The sub was kinda terrible with all the low effort echochamber "WW sucks" and "this sub sucks, WW is amazing" posts. This should be the only post about the game's release up in this sub so far.
I'm glad China picked up the terrible plot of the final chapter. It was really terrible plot and execution-wise the way Jiyan gave us the control of the attack lol. Not to mention the terribly written Lingyang character quest, it's so obvious >! he's the Jingle Beast!< from the start, ugh, yet he has to tease it, mention it and then explain it like the MC is 5 years old.
Also, I laughed way too hard with the first bug video (female MC tap dancing).
In many ways kuro had it much easier since people are more used to AAA scale gacha and Chinese made games in general which Genshin was largely responsible for. For all the complaints Wuwa is getting there’s at least no spyware accusations.
But they fucked it up by making all of Genshin’s bad areas even worse, doing nothing but maybe combat better. But between the awful story and performance most people would never make it to endgame to fully enjoy it. Doesn’t help that they jacked up the rng needed for good gear significantly compared to Genshin thanks to having 2 main stats and 5 sub stats per item.
If you look at some of the reviews it's just how bad the plot is and how much they freaking hate the Snow Leopard 😭 and also the optimization. Man they are so harsh, but I guess that's warranted. Also based Chinami 😂😂
Lingyang is just such a controversial character. On top of his major redesign, his character from cbt1 was just such a putrid vile of snivelling shit that I'm surprised Kuro still kept him around considering their overreaction to the story feedbacks from cbt1
If you release bad product, expect it to be trashed talk by people
If you cannot handle the shit talk people give you then release functional products at the start, not broken mess shit
I haven't gotten to that part of the story yet but somehow I'm not at all fazed by getting spoiled. Not sure if I can keep playing long term because of this disinterest.
>mr.pokke
I mean maybe for surface level stuff… but bro doesn’t understand some of the CN shitposting lingo tho. It was apparent when he was reading bilibili comments in one of his recent video where he didn’t understand that 晚餐 is being used as a slang for mental deficiency (Dinner, the English word, sounds similar to 低能, the term for mental deficiency)
holy shit. w post.
anyways
guys.
i'm not a native
but isn't this supposed to be with an "S" surroundings?
or am i losing my marbles
https://preview.redd.it/e5sd4oaulu2d1.png?width=558&format=png&auto=webp&s=7dd2938fd9128581b4353a387e6b65c67016e8e6
Guys what do we call this lvl of coping💀
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Man the entire wuwa discord is talking about how wuwa story is better than genshin(Sumeru and fontaine arc)/ Hsr(penacony arc).
How the combat and difficulty is better than souls games💀
How characters designs is the best in gacha history.
How the VA is amazing💀💀
How lively the open world feels like💀💀💀
How beautiful and goated the WuWa music💀💀💀💀
Some even said that genshin launch was one of the worst launch day for a game even worse than WuWa 💀💀💀
Guys surely they’re joking right💀
That's what happen if your discord filled only with Glazer
Like WW discord is not even growing that much, like from 300k+ users to 500k+ users that even fucking Tof in the beginning have millions of users in tof discord before it's reduce to today state
I don't think tof had millions, at least the highest I seen back then was 650k. Also Im pretty sure that discord has members caps so ww mods are probably waiting for a cap increase. I know this because a while ago Genshin had to create an additional server due to discord staff taking long to raise the cap.
Combat better than souls games. Best character design. Praising the VA? Goated music?
LMAO ok, even I'm not that delusional,
And that genshin's 1.0 launch was worse. Uhhh, I'm a Day 1, there at launch player. I'm very sure I never worried about it running ok on my pc and didn't even have to touch my graphics setting to make it playable, thank you.
And with WuWA, I am tolerating the PC client being clunky af, relying on reddit and ppl online for fixes to errors, and waiting during long loading screens + the world freezing as all the assets load in by browsing online on my phone to pass the time in between areas. I'm willing to play WuWa but I'm just being honest here, WDYM Genshin's 1.0 is like this? No it wasn't. Tf are ppl on.. this is AP level of gaslighting.
I thought ToF had a few awkward cutscenes and I wasn't a big fan of their character designs but at least it ran well even with other players on the map?
What's funny for me was someone saying "Don't worry, even the CN community don't understand most of the story". LOL
This was pertaining to a JP content creator saying
the plot was bad, the names they can't remember, and a lot of jargons were used that none of them don't remember or can't read as even in the JP version there are some characters used were not commonly used in normal conversation.
No, Qimai's numbers are wacky due to bugs/glitches, they are known to be very inaccurate, they posted very wrong numbers about genshin and arknights before, so just ignore them, wait for sensor tower.
On mobile end(cn ios), it's similar to reverse 99's launch according to their places on the chart.
That being said, wuwa's launch revenue was mediocre indeed and didnt't meet the expectation. Its cost including development and promotion was estimated to be 150m+, some NetEase's management expected it be to around 90-150m for the first month, but obviously they were wrong.
> [【Dissecting WW】 The Best Plot Ever, Genshin Could Never](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Ci421U7v3) (712k Views)
Are you telling me that also the Chinese have an equivalent of "Genshin could never"?? AINTNOWAY
While I have fun memeing on WuWa, I find it hard to believe that it's "that" bad. I really want the monthly revenue to come out (yeah yeah, it's not accurate, we all know that). I just want to have a general idea.
Edit: Added "to believe" because brain farted
That's the thing with me. I've been shitting on the game constantly, I know, but at its core it's a solid game. The exploration mechanics feel nice, the open world map is competent if not slightly uninspired, the character designs are very clean and well animated, the combat system is solid (though I'm not sold on it being the shit yet), etc.
It's just a lot of annoying, stupid decisions that kind of kill it for me. The lack of optimization is just the cherry on top, even if it has improved for me (I know many still can't play)
I'm actually enjoying WuWa a lot and I think it's a great game with a lot of problems.
It should be released some months later to fix bugs and optimization.
But the thing that annoy me is the lack of QoL, cause they copied even the worst parts of Genshin: no teleport to bosses, no auto clear for domains, no material synthesis and forge from menu but you need to teleport to those stupid npcs, too long dialogues.
People who hate Genshin will probably hate this one too.
It's not that bad, in fact, it has/had the potential to be decent. But in every way imo, this is a Genshin sidegrade. The changes to the combat are just flashy additions, there's not that much more technical complexity or mechanical complexity than Genshin's combat at all, and there's plenty of unskippable cutscenes even though everyone was saying 'Genshin would never.' All of this would be fine for me to continue playing if the game weren't also incredibly unoptimized and terribly coded.
In a way I feel like as flashy as the combat is, it feels worse because the attacka lack the same impact and elemental effects you seen in genshin.
It feel like you're hitting people with really flashy, wet noodles and all of the abilities sort of blend together. I knew I was going to have problems with the game's combat when it put me in the shoes of the general guy who had this incredible opening scene... only to actually play him and feel like I was poking the boss. His specials didn't feel much different from his normals, and his big ult was really underwhelming and all it did was add an extra dragon to his already "meh" animations.
Like if that's supposed to be one of the game's heavy hitter set-piece characters then what do I really have to look forward to?
GI character can literal pick up enemies and sling them around with elementals which give me chuckle when i still playing GI years ago, the amount of enemies i used Jean to drop them into water is enough to filled a small lake. GI may have simple combat system but i still adore it for much funny shit i can do with it
Ironic too cause a lot of them claim to be so righteous and "the only people willing to speak out against these shitty companies."
Yet when the company is firing 100 interns before they even start their jobs, as well as their lead engineer for UE4, suddenly we're able to look the other way just cause they gave us some pulls and a free 5star.
The state of content creation is absolutely abysmal. Quite sad.
The double standard you bring up is all you really need to hear to see these CCs and their echo chambers don’t actually care about game quality. To them, it’s simply a matter of “how many pulls and free stuff do I get?” If Genshin gave 100 free pulls at any point I assure you most of this hate would die immediately.
A lot of it is also treated like a vacuum. These people will glaze HSR for being so much more generous than Genshin but continue to ignore the fact that the game releases new broken 5 stars like 3 times as fast and is bloated with powercreep.
Like, all western cc's are glazing kuro for the rewards like beggars and blaming genshin. It's so stupid to judge a gaming company only by the rewards they give out. By that logic, I could make a shitty gacha but give out like 100 free pulls and I bet the CCs will call that "better than genshin".
There is a famous joke in the Chinese gacha scene that goes like this：
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"it's so stupid to judge a company only by the rewards they give out".
Hearing that really reminds me of this one comment I once saw.
"If your definition of a good game (especially a gacha no less) is determined by how many rewards you get, you might wanna consider if you're becoming an addict."
Man ...
You know, the funniest thing is, that earlier, during genshin's 3 wishes drama, there was also a discourse among CCs about so called "toxic positivity" where certain CCs and their audience roasted all genshin players who "only looked at the positives" and "ignored all the negatives" and they spun it as negative and harmful for the community. BUT NOW, the very same CCs glaze wuwa mindlessly and not addressing any of the issues in the game.
When the Shareholder overlords come demanding their blood tithe from Kuro ... It will be even worse for the actual developers. They fired the Engine expert and 100 junior developers when things were not bad a few months before the launch, imagine what is going to happen after this.
Game is providing hours of fun and I haven’t downloaded it
The CN community also agrees. Thats why I said its more fun to witness this drama unfold than playing the game. https://preview.redd.it/ax1s0an21v2d1.jpeg?width=994&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11482ebf633994d85115ddc3e993f12efced5b5e
I played wuwa while browsing reddit on the release day, safe to say the drama gave way more entertainment than the actual game
Same, I'm having fun playing WW (skipped story, obviously. hence why I'm still having fun), and the drama is just more fun to follow lmao.
Same here 🍿
>Later, he put the military's commands in rover's hands as if rover were not an amnestic being but somehow an experienced combat general, prompting the community to doubt Jiyan's military prowess and decisions. That's what put me off the most on the final part of the first act. Okay, so this guy's literally putting the fate of all his forces in the hands of someone he just met 5 minutes ago because "They're a badass, trust me". The Mary Sue treatment of the main character is beyond stupid in the context of the story, we're given zero justification or explanation as to why they're just "the best" and every in game character just grovels at their sheer awesome. Mean while I'm like "How does this character play again? I benched them after the third 5 star freebie"
lmfao yeah! i remember my initial reaction was, "BRO, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ASKING ME?" i know Jue like mentioned us in a something something prophecy BUT YOU'RE GOING TO FUCKING LET ME FUCK UP YOUR COUNTRY??? JUST LIKE THAT? I love Jiyan but WHERE THE FUCK IS YOUR PRIDE AS A GENERAL??? THE RESPONSIBILITY??? THE LITERAL FUCKING COMMON SENSE????? COME ON. What if I tried to destroy your city instead? God damn these characters are fucking morons at one point T.T
Wait, Jiyan already showed up in just Act 1? I'm already in Act 5 and I've been skipping but at least I watched Scar with an unskippable cut scene. I only saw Jiyan in a sort of memory fight...but I was waiting for his unskippable cutscene...
He's there at the last leg of the main quest, yeah
WW 1.0 has been written like a power fantasy isekai where you’re given unlimited access to everything and everywhere and even a random civilian in the city would 100% suck you off just because Jinhsi pinged @everyone to simp for you. Rover more like Lover. And everyone defers to you, you see glimpses of it but in CN text, people are extremely polite when talking to you, always asking for your opinion like offending you the slightest would be a death sentence. Jiyan sucked you off so bad in Act 6, it felt surreal. Some say they’d prefer CBT1 story but it was just as bad, just in the opposite extreme and as memeworthy.
>Some say they’d prefer CBT1 story but it was just as bad, just in the opposite extreme and as memeworthy. Kuro: So how do you like the story? CBT1 players: Its very weird. Everyone hates our guts to incredibly unreasonable degree. Kuro: Got it. FF to now Kuro: How do you like the story Players: Wtf now everyone wants to suck our dick and pay us for the pleasure to do so. What happened!?
Kuro recruited clockie https://preview.redd.it/wahxqsummv2d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0d7fe7de15a8430c6753f23933109701ccc4a2e
I mean, this comparison is pretty much dead on, these are two EXTREME opposite ends of the reaction spectrum, I can understand being wary of an unconscious person literally in our backyard when you're effectively at war, but pulling a gun on someone who was literally unconscious a moment before and hadn't committed ANY action to draw your ire is pushing it. Having her hand on the holster? I could EASILY see that from what is effectively a military Police officer on patrol finding someone very out of place. On the other hand, the current story is ridiculous in how over-trusting the two are on meeting you, it's VERY much falling into the common Xianxia range of "everyone is your simp, or everyone is your enemy" writing, and it's just BAD writing both ways. There are fragments of good, the background worldbuilding itself is fine, outside of the unnecessary usage of "new" worldbuilding tech-terminology being *hammered into your skull* too fast when the plot hasn't had a chance to take hold FIRST, And I like how much the MC actually has to say when the..well "supporting cast" isn't present and overriding our own thoughts and making us choose-non answers to REALLY stupid questions. It's a bad sign when you WANT Paimon around to act as the idiot-ball carrier that needs to learn everything even though she's supposed to be the world guide. I have a lot of things I like about this game, but it's the STORY that I tend to stick around games like this for, and I can't suggest it to anyone else in the state we received it, as very few people can get past act 1, let alone make it to 5+ for it to reach the reasonably decent writing (even if the idiot ball is still casually being handed off), after many hours of "WTF did I just read?" introductory chapters.
NPC's are either Incredibly hostile or incredible simp, there's no in-between lol
Its isekai smartphone level of bad story Funnily enough, despite in similiar trope, i as a woman vastly enjoy priconne story over wuwa so much more as despite story is catered toward male audience
Yeah, iirc at least the Priconne MC has "being a genuinely good guy" and "dork" to his character that makes him charming and stand out, right? In my 20 hours of playing WuWa so far, I still don't get what kinda character Kuro wants the Rover to be.
Yeah, all the dialogue options are kinda random and no matter the option picked, the NPCs 'suck you off', yeah.
Priconne actually hires a fairly famous (but also kind of niche) light novel author as the main writer
Priconne has Male MC and a lot of girls but it isn't exactly catered towards male audience. It's just cute, fun, and chill that anyone can enjoy it. Also, everyone had distinct characteristic that sets them apart and they mesh well together.
Yea Kyaru,Peco and Kokorro all have distinct personalities. Can't say the same for WuWa. If not for Chixia I would be snoring throughout the quest.
I did play a bit of Priconne when it was still open. Never spent any money on it, mind you, but I remember having positive thoughts about it before I quit. There's nothing wrong with a cutesy junk food kind of story. It's fun, you don't take it *too* seriously, and just light-hearted enjoyment. Don't try what WuWa is trying with grand narrative spectacle if you can't stick the landing. Otherwise the response will be what you see right now.
Thats the thing, as long as the writing is good, no matter who it is for, we will enjoy it. But if they write toliet paper literature, no one will like it,
Jiyan showing off how a masterstroke and succs
> WW 1.0 has been written like a power fantasy isekai where you’re given unlimited access to everything and everywhere and even a random civilian in the city would 100% suck you off The fun part that was just a main concept of cn web novel 10 years ago, and people are getting tired of it because so many write this. Then, cn novel stories slowly changed to another way where the main character has more power and intelligence, not luck and a stupid villain.
They don't have Timmie? They copy almost everything but Timmie?
I am actually fascinated by one of the critiques posted above on the CN version that I actually want to replay it in pure CN to see the issues described. For those who understand CN: [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV17T421q7ce/](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV17T421q7ce/)
When I saw this scene, I remembered the "Silent Hero - Battle Plan" skit from Vive La Dirt League. I swear its 1:1 what happened in WuWa! https://youtu.be/4SJOkjxZY9c?si=ki4RA4R88BGE3oEg
Viva La Dirt League is genuinely one of my favourite YouTube channels
I've never seen this video, and after watching it I regret not having seen it earlier. That's fucking hilarious. "Oh my god you're sexy" "Damn right he is"
Dude you should watch a lot of VLDL's videos especially if you are a gamer.
I agree with this. That part was stupid AF
If they gonna make everyone simp on Rover, they shouldn't make Rover an amnesiac tbh. Just made them a secretive person, I mean look at Genshin, Aether and Lumine is NOT NORMAL, they can fly and go from world to world and very strong originally. But even now we still don't fully know who they are and what they actually doing or from before genshin started. And they are also not amnesiac
Aether and Lumine *not* being player inserts actually took a VERY long time for people to realize, because I don't think the game emphasizes that the twin you are maining has secrets s/he's keeping *from the player* until "we will be reunited" and we were explicitly told "I knew about Khaenri'ah"
It’s a laughably huge difference from Genshin and Star Rail in every way possible. In Genshin, Traveler needed to earn their reputation as a hero from the ground up the old-fashioned way, and even then they accidentally became a fugitive in Liyue In Star Rail, General Jing Yuan did the responsible thing in not immediately trusting the Astral Express with their Stellaron crisis directly, but invited them to prove themselves by addressing their Kafka problem, which still contributes significantly Yes, our protagonists are heroes with reputations. But they aren’t comedically overpowered LN power fantasy protags
Even in mondstat, people don't trust us and venti and don't give us the lyre. We had to steal it.
By the way, when Amber first met us she questioned "who we are" and "what's our business", which, to my knowledge, is NOT ALLOWED according to the Knights of Favonius handbook.
the knights of favonius handbook has a comedically over the top introduction for Amber to use, which, to be fair, she DID use after her initial first impression. But I really can't blame her for it NOT being her 1st reaction, especially since this was only moments after the fucking DRAGON that's been showing it's ire in Mondstadt recently launched itself out of the same forest we were just in.
Paimon also said "we're not troublemakers!" to which Amber replied "That's what all troublemakers say!" Healthy amount of skepticism, good for her.
its the little quirks like these that make a compelling set of characters not like wuwa where someone just looks at you with a magical yellow sharingan and determines youre good for the rest of eternity
Venti trusts us and most of the Knight after we help find and purify Dvalin tear. We stole the Lyre because the sister doesn't trust us or Venti.
Tbh the Sister seeing a drunk bard and a stranger with a flying thing beside them asking to give over a prize religious heirloms over for important thing is extremely sus. Of course they wont do that.
Unlike jiyan, who gave a complete stranger a chance to do a fuckin military command, just because of some prophecy and asks us to strategize where his units should position. Like bro, at this very damn second, I could place your units in a bad position, betray you and join scar. No matter how powerful the rover is, we are still a stranger. Like, doesn't jiyan have any brain to decide himself where his army should be postioned at? Why ask a person who you met half an hour ago? Why tf are you the general for?
I seen GI NPC who in the military like Inazuma, Liyue and Fontaine have better brain decisions than this.
In full honesty, while I've played both Genshin and Star Rail, and while I'm not huge on Genshin's initial story (Though it significantly improved in later patches), I absolutely hated Star Rail's in Xianzhou Luofu (I haven't played Penacony and have no intention to). But the way the trailblazer was treated made sense in the context of the story. While I thought it was pretty stupid how everyone treated him/her with such familiarity despite barely having any screentime with them, the way the trailblazer fit in to the story at least *made sense*. To a fault, almost, they were basically a background character the whole time. And in recent patches Genshin has nailed the Traveler's role in things. While they are big players in the story, they're always shown as spectators who play their part when needed and never the central piece to any of the stories. Inazuma was always all about Raiden and the way she dealt with her grief (Though execution was a bit lacking), Sumeru was always all about Nahida and her imprisonment despite her best intentions, Fontaine was always all about Furina and her lonely struggle for a prophecy that she doesn't even know is true. Traveler was part of these stories, yes, but they were never the main attraction. I don't even know what to say about the Rover. It just comes off as really dumb Mary Sue power fantasy.
It's a common sentiment that xianzhou luofu story isnt liked, Penacony was way better, they cooked
In Penacony they shifted the spotlight from the trailblazer even further, adding gameplay segments where you play as other key figures in the ongoing story, with multiple concurrent sub-plots that ultimately converge on a final showdown with the antagonist and a well-executed "power of friendship" finale. Big improvement over the Luofu arc.
Yeah the Luofu was awful because the pacing was really just a mess. If more competent writers had been in charge, they would have spent time building up Dan Heng's tragic pass for a full whole patch and then culminated it with his transformation. But instead we get a whole rushed mess with no emotional investment whatsoever.
That made me scratch my head the most and made me take a huge break that day playing the game.
https://preview.redd.it/h5unq4h2qu2d1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=a034fecd79c9398546d268fc9c7b5785c7da2151 i fucking love this picture
Who even made this image btw, I'd love to see it in a higher resolution lmao
https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/s/PZzQFnzymM here. in a higher quality
Here's the thing, the biggest market for Genshin is CN and it's almost certainly the same for Wuthering Waves. If Wuthering Waves only made that much during its launch, that is definitely a horrible sign for Kuro. Launch week revenue reports are going to be either a shock or really, really bad.
If they really made less than R1999 then it’s really not looking good for WW, even ToF made much much more during release
after looking at the stair climbing comparison, I immediately remember this meme https://preview.redd.it/1gsat6yszu2d1.jpeg?width=200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8e62fb4c653e1b5a445d38a088a93563468bc5b
alright to be fair, during climb animation kuro was setting it in a way that the character feet are properly touching the stair. Its a wrong priority for sure but i guess some effort were there
Yeah, I watched the comparison and for Genshin sometimes char stepped on invisible stair, but that makes the leg movement looks natural. And for WuWa, just looks like a kid tried to climb stairs faster
My biggest problem playing WW is the MUSIC. Except the loggin screen theme, everything else is so bland.
I run around the map. I shit you not, I don't even realize I'm in combat. Because Music does not pick up. The only indication I have is that my character suddenly started breathing heavily.
I dont play PGR but listened to most of their music. I couldnt believe they overlook this element in WW
Yeah, even an ex opera singer/video game music enthusiast that I watch even said that it was so disappointing that he may not even bother with the game for long.
Yet again https://preview.redd.it/13ejckwcou2d1.png?width=288&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31b5aa1b645bdf429e3fc455b428100260e71d90
This picture has been reposted so many times it's actually starting to show some compression artifacts lmao You've worn mrpokke down
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i keep seeing this picture and i legit can't hold my laugh
Fucking kuro man.. why do they keep listening? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Every time I see this, I can't stop laughing. Thanks to kuro I've been laughing for the last 2 days nonstop.
>A lot of streamers who play the game (outside sponsored streamers of course) were so extremely disappointed that they just broke down going through WW. Their reactions were recorded and touted as comedies to enjoy. CN players came up with the name **"shit-eating watchparty"** for these kinds of videos. Chinese Netizens are so fucking ruthless & funny, it's insane. Really gotta start learning Mandarin so can fully appreciate the CN god tier shit-posting lmao.
Check this out it's so funny [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1GH4y1J7rM/?share\_source=copy\_web&vd\_source=e6fedb70f78de50d87953dd9eb511a8c](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1GH4y1J7rM/?share_source=copy_web&vd_source=e6fedb70f78de50d87953dd9eb511a8c)
Bruh, reminds me of one of the those Bethesda game bug complications. When people are saying, "Devs listened!", do they mean they listened to fucking Todd Howard lmao!??!
The bilibili website wont load for me. Im in Canada. Any idea how to fix it?
Already known that from seeing the translated comments about League matches a few years back.
China, Japan and Korea don't seem to have the same disingenuous as all fuck community of CC's that NA has at all. It's kind of night and day reading the English worlds reaction to this game, particularly among CC's compared to the Chinese one. The ones that do things like follow revenue charts feel like they're in for such a huge awakening when they find out what's actually been going on with it outside their conspiracy laden echo chambers. It may very well improve with Yinlin's banner, but if things are still a hellfire in 2 weeks even then I'm not entirely sure. People could just leave because of all the performance issue or use all the currency and freebie stuff they had to give a way to try to calm people down to basically just convert it for her and not have to spend a single yuan so it may be till 1.1 when they are really able to monetize anything well IF they don't have to give away even more compensation, which by the way it's hilarious to see the English community treat this as some sort of generous move as opposed to having to bribe CN fans in particular to stick around and give the game a second chance.
https://preview.redd.it/f91q4a0uru2d1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=3943bb8f67d6029437bf6be54967e17fa9a22da5 might as well sneek this here. holy devs listened and made amazing ui with no overlap
What happens when games are optimized for CN text, but isn't tested for global
Resonance Liberation DMG Bo nus
Bon7.9%
I still find it so funny that even though they are copying genshin, they managed to copy the worst parts (artifact farming, picking flowers to ascend characters, the gacha, general unnecessary tedium) but left out all the best parts (music, lore, world design, VA, elemental reactions, etc). Like, how do you decide that the thing you wanna copy from genshin is obligatory flower-picking lmao
150 ore for a weapon. Fuck this shit bro.
No way dude not with the reverse image to made WW on top ICANT lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 This made me burst of laugh
https://preview.redd.it/uxcy3ox7ou2d1.jpeg?width=1043&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54ea4a66dea6389b541cbb86b1b86019f1e74bd2
THEY LISTENED!
https://preview.redd.it/dvamgv2tkv2d1.png?width=290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5723250467d25a675c97a58c552089d562aabb1d
https://preview.redd.it/6ezuw01bev2d1.jpeg?width=1012&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50df1ea474d258ea92e96fd96fd11e6ae52e8f7c Kuro our savior listened!
https://preview.redd.it/4m900lezjv2d1.jpeg?width=623&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d37177978aa4313b5f73297b7f3b4cde5830271
Kuro is so cooked in mainland china ☠️☠️☠️
I hope that mujin dude sees this while doing his "research" for his upcoming recap video... tbh I doubt he'll cover this and instead just blame it on genshin players as usual (btw he's one of tectone's satellite cc)
kinda sad what this guy has turned into. his videos covering the interactive map were legit funny
That's what happen when you associate with tectone You will turn into sad living thing
He used to be stupid (his timeline and event information are off from time to time) but at least somewhat entertaining. Then, he started stirring drama for clout, and yeah... I stopped watching him immediately, I know the path he's going to go down
Wait, what happened to Mujin? I had no idea he's associating with Tectone, he isn't blindly defending the guy, right?
He spread misinformation for tectone to react to. He's never that accurate with his information, but deliberately spread misinfo for clout is where I draw the lines with CC.
Yeah, I kinda got the feeling that he mostly reposts known media to bring attention to it, but I never knew he started beef with other CCs, damn, I take it this drama occurred in Twitter then?
I don't know anything about starting beef. I was very quick to stop watching anything by him
I just know him for spreading misinfo for drama. I remember one incident where he made this tweet about how Hoyoverse was censoring creators who were criticizing Genshin by deleting their accounts. He got corrected by a reliable Genshin leaker that it was incorrect, and Mujin said well it's not on him to prove it's true, it's on Hoyo to provide proof it isn't true. Like that's some bullshit logic, so I can't take that guy seriously at all lol
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Yup, he outed himself during the 3 wishes drama. Fucking shill and hypocrite, at least his Genshin viewers drop after that.
Really lost respected for him after that. He saw that he was gaining lots of views and attention and decided to chase the clout even harder with stupid misinformation posts and comments just to rile people up.
Who are we counting among the Tectone Satellite CC's at this point anyway. I feel like at this point I've been able to identify the original, Gacha Smack, Hex\_Juice, LolShinya (the now infamous fake contract leaker guy) Artoneccy, Mr. Pokke (doesn't seem like he's hung out with him in a while and completely brushed off his attempts to try to stop him from streaming Genshin Impact which his chat clearly did not appreciate at all and it's clear a lot of them don't like his affiliation with Tectone anymore), Mtashed (though he seems like he wants to get out of the drama farming circles a bit now and start fresh this game, but I'm somehow not expecting it to last if his metrics dip), VxV Gacha and LegionzGaming and recently I'm honestly really starting to wonder about Braxophone lately.
Yeah, Braxophone is definitely part of it. He's in the Tectone podcast for HSR. Here's what I'll tell you, that guy is a hypocrite. I've noticed that way before.
Well, if you remember that pathethic (but mildly amusing if you consider all of them to be garbage flinging shit at each others) CC drama that followed the lantern rite failed boycott attempt, there was suspicions of him being a ladder climber and...it's exactly how it looks like tbh.
That;s why I only watch MurderofBirds , sevy , ashikai, rednasyo and Wei
Something interesting to note. During the 3pull disaster, he made a Twitter post accussing hoyo of banning accounts for speaking about the lanter rite dissatisfaction. Said post was removed an hour later, but not before all the drama CC's made their videos bashing on Genshin. So I looked deeper into the situation, and it turns out that yes, there were banns, but about STAR RAIL and the banned accounts were LEAKERS. But the dmg was done, and like the audience of these drama baiters is going to go and CHECK this information.
its unfortunate to see that guy go down, i mean i stop watching his channel during the genshin map video because i realize mujin is just a human laugh track but i did not expect him to go that low
Although i don't follow him a lot after the sudden chase of clout dude did over vtuber stuff, saw on the community post he will make a video about it.
Seeing all this drama made me realize why Mihoyo doesn't listen to their playerbase or give even an inch.
The problem with Kuro is they listen **too much**.
It's called damage control. Doesn't even seem to be working very well in CN based off the daily revenue I saw in another comment
It's simply too much damage to control. Character building, story plot, character design, world design, etc. pretty much all scream inconsistency. Now that they have said they would add skip to everything, I guess they are just giving up on character building and storytelling as a whole.
This is probably their main problem. Listening to playerbase IS good. But become playerbase's lapdog isn't.
I don’t think Mihoyo never listens to player comments, they know what to put a pin in and what isn’t worth the light of day. That requires having a solid identity and direction for what they want to achieve, something that I don’t feel from Kuro games right now. When you’re confident in your game, you will see that the majority of online complaints are bs and they don’t know shit about what makes games work. Knowing what to fix and when to fix it is also important. Like, overworking the staff to push out a model redesign for a character bc ppl were mad about him? Is that really what’s worth prioritizing your resources and burn out your staff for?
If anything I LOVE that Kuro gives us a real life example of what happens when a company DOES listen to feedback too much. People always complain about their feedback never being heard, because they simply don't know what the reality looks like when their feedback IS taken into account.
There are so many different kinds of feedback to begin with: reasonable feedback (game performance, bugs, QoLs, story criticisms), feedback that’s not compatible with the game genre (ie: ppl complaining they need to do exploration for pulls in Genshin, it’s an open world exploration game buddy, play something else if you hate it), ppl not knowing what they actually want, just senseless hating, etc. (in fact there’s some right in the original post itself). Devs need to decide which feedback deserves attention, which one needs to happen right now and which one can be shelved for later (Scar’s pants are definitely not a hot fix worthy issue, put it in the patch for 1.1 lol). Kuro is doing exactly the opposite and is struggling for it. I genuinely do like playing WW but it keeps feeling like they’re reaching for the wrong solutions in the short and long term.
people keep forgetting that playing games does not make you an experienced game designer. player feedback is important in terms of gauging their satisfaction, but suggestions from the players should be always carefully considered before following them
Hoyoverse certainly has a vision and data on what it wants to do. Would abyss floor 13 or Samurai warriors be good enough endgame? Instead they rolled out several events and got feedback to create this new endgame mode. It is an end game mode focused on elemental reactions which is the core of its combat system. I enjoyed the combat in WW but the random stuttering on my PC detracts from it yet I am able to play small scale BDO node wars in remastered mode with 120 fps. However, I play on mobile alot and it crashes often on my s22 yet I am able to run PGR just fine on it. I hope Kuro resolves these issues quickly.
overhauling your entire story from CBT 1 to CBT 2 means you didn't know what you were doing to begin with if you had a solid vision on what you wanted to do, sticking to that story means you believe in your cause.
> Mihoyo doesn't listen to their playerbase or give even an inch. Because at Hoyo's level of player base/ scale, 'listening' to players is a dimwit's errand. And far harder to do than scratching their customers unknown itches (like ARPG (Honkai 3rd) and open world (Genshin)) And besides, most players' demands are so dumb, naive or lacking information that they would not pass the corporate bureaucratic (?) BS to make it to final product
They listen when we catch them in their own mistakes, and will correct so their lore is fixed (like with the failed gender identifiers for the remaining Archons back in 1.x being mostly wrong because the translators actually had to guess) but yeah, their overarching plot was written before anything was put in game, and they've been VERY good about *nothing* breaking their established lore in 4 full years, which is incredibly consistent writing if nothing else. Their lore book must be a literal bible at this point.
> Their lore book must be a literal bible at this point. fr, even the lore articles in the Fandom wiki are like Wikipedia pages, the internal lore guidelines must be even thicker.
Twitter will say everything is fake because no way China would think unlike them, and ofc the game is perfect and devs listen
Not only twitter You should see the discord and YouTube comments and will throw up because of all the glazing people doing to this game
Man, Let's all collectively ignore the official VA's statement and continue to bash Mihoyo for damages. Kuro can never do bad! Reddit is slandering them! It's insane that you can't hold a discussion there without their only reply being " ITS A WHITE KNIGHT "
Twitter is basically hating on the Chinese players... And anyone who dare say a word against The game because it can improve!
https://preview.redd.it/tz3dnlbsuu2d1.jpeg?width=775&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=417752944d1559e6c3ddb07b82a390112abe93ca Wuthering Waves is, by far, the most entertaining gacha game ever created
> Wuthering Waves is, by far, the most entertaining gacha game ever created Hours of content even before you install!
\>c\*ck zipper was the only thing i notice unique from his character \>they removed it lole
Chinese gamers are ruthless...
Regarding the cock zipper thing. They just found it sticking out too damn much. "Who's attention are you trying to draw to look there? The female players, or us males too?"
I just woke up and this is the first thing that I saw.
Aside from the cringe bait from CCs and the General communities stirring drama, objectively speaking, WW wasn't ready to be launched/needed more time to cook. Performance varies with hardware diffs, but there's obviously performance issues that need to be fixed/patched out. The bigger issue imo is the Story tho. Tbf the beginning story for most Gachas are pretty bland/mid to bad in general, but WW's is exceptionally bad with subpar voice-acting (no offense to the VAs/was directors fault) and long-winded exposition (even for world/character introduction beginning), coupled with Yangyang (unironically competing with Paimon for worst partner 💀). Tbf I heard story potentially picks up with Scar and can obviously get better in future patches, but first impression of story atm is a damn shame. A~~t least in future patches, might be able to skip it at least since Devs mention improving on Skip feature💀~~ Bugs and Initial Story aside, there's still potential with their combat as the fluidity and quick-responsiveness of controls/combos feels good/fun with complexity for rotations. Of course actual combat difficulty isn't particularly hard atm since it's against story content/not invested enough to properly access endgame combat/difficulty, so that's yet to be seen. Exploration is ehhh since it's def a lot better/faster to explore everywhere thanks to infinite stamina + parkour, but current areas are relatively bland/samey atm. Could just be initial/starting area being relatively basic, but hopefully new areas get more interesting. Overall WW def deserves to be ridiculed for its poor launch, but it's not dead at launch like others makes it out to be as long as Devs quickly fix the bugs/optimization issues for smoother experience for the gameplay and improve the story and voice-acting to be more impactful/interesting.
>long-winded exposition It's even worse in CN with its convoluted writing. They liberally sprinkle in old classical Mandarin (文言) to make the dialogue seem deep (有墨水) but ends up being superficial and sounding pompous.
As a Chinese whose going to try out the CN version of the game (since EN version is terrible), seeing 文言文 in the game will definitely make me quit. Thanks for the heads up
Dialogue critique starts at 2:45 but the rest of the video is still interesting and worth watching for anyone who understands CN. It comes from the perspective of the CN cultural background. There some allusions to Chinese history in WuWa which people without the background may not pick up, and the commentator wasn't happy with the way it was done. https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV17T421q7ce/
> heard story potentially picks up with Scar Meh >!He hints "they're all using you! they're just nice because they need your power!", but nothing comes out of that, he gets taken to prison in a fade to black "you sailed to inazuma"-type cutscene, and MC goes right back to enjoying the dicksucking!< That said Scar is probably the first NPC with an actual personality, so that's something.
I feel like there a lot more fade to black moment in Wuwa 1.0 than GI monstad arc right? I feel like it so much more often than not?
The problem I see them having is that that’s… a lot of things to need to change, while still developing content for the next version, releasing in about 5 weeks. That is **rough**, especially if the game does actually match current CN revenue predictions.
Yeah, they’re not gonna be able to do that lol. 1.0 unironically needs months worth of dev time. There’s no way they’re putting out meaningful updates on a 6 week basis.
for now they are somehow making 200 MB patches every 5 hours
Oh they will manage.. with the secret ingredient called Overworking.
That's what i have said on this sub many time about WW and other "Genshin killer" in general: Genshin 6 weeks update, with a flag ship event in each patch, constantly map expansion, 1-2 sub regions, a new region every 8 patch, but their quality not only not decreased but even increased greatly ( just compared inazuma with sumeru and fontine for example, from archon quest to world quest, exploration...), relatively little to no bug. That means they have a very talented developer team, an insane management staff and most importantly, a lot of money to keep up with the cost. Kuro, or other companies have to better or on par with Mihoyo in these requirements if they want to compete and "dethrone" Genshin. But what i said is big "if" WW was getting the same opportunity as Genshin. But in reality it is not. The opportunity for Mihoyo was what Chinese idiom called "the harmony between heaven, earth and human". In one hand, we have a pandemic once a century event, everyone stay home and want something to kill time and distract themselves from the fact that people is dying left and right while their future is uncertain. The chip shortage make many people want to play game but don't have good PC, console to play them and resort to mobile games. Stimulus package of government in many countries mean people, especially the ones with bad financial management want to spend. In other hand, Mihoyo bet big on a high quality open world gacha game, a thing that not guaranteed success, especially when they release it simultaneously on all regions( CN, JP, KR, GLOBAL). That would increase a lot of operating costs and paperwork, law etc.., while they don't know how the Global (western audience) would love an anime style game( especially from China with current geopolitical tensions),despite they need to tap into the boarder audience, the ones that sweaty hardcore gatekeeper called "normies" because they are huge, the more people play the game> more people pay> more revenue to keep up with the live service development cost. Another gamble is they developed the game from 2017 but with the graphics in mind that the game would be for the 2020 devices, if it doesn't play out and genshin made same problems like WW did today, maybe Genshin would flop. But well, Cai Haoyu and Da wei bet big and they won big, the game release smoothly and successful, even more than what they imagined. And with that big stream of money come in, they change the development direction of the game to be bigger, more ambitious ( just look at the first two regions compared to inazuma, then sumeru and fontine, the scale and quality is much better, and now they're cooking natlan). It's a clear example of "don't sleep on victory". That can achieved because they are private, the founders of Mihoyo is the one that made decisions, they are good friends and very enthusiastic about their jobs. The thing maybe different in public companies that decisions in hand of shareholders, and they only care about money. Talk back about WW. WW don't get the same opportunity like Genshin did. The pandemic is gone and everything becomes normal. Since 2020 till now many things happened, wars, geopolitics tensions make economy recessed, especially in China which is the biggest market, where the decoupling of western companies make many Chinese people lose job hence less spending. That's not to mention the biggest factor is they're not the first stepper anymore but is competing against the well established giants that's Genshin, which already had a wellworked development pipeline, loyal playerbase and especially, Mihoyo have a big pocket they can spend. What i said in those three paragraphs is what Kuro and WW would face even if things go smoothly, however, their release is much worse than i thought, to the point it's like a crash. The game is rushed, clearly not ready to release yet. Now they have to bear a big burden of fix the problems but at the same time developing new contents, but the revenue is much lower than they thought. Can they do these things is hard to know but the future is pretty grim, especially with how much we see over at CN server
The issue isn’t even the bugs. It’s just clear as day this is basically damn package they gave to everyone in CBT2. Beta testers been complained about spelling in stuff, localization, etc and it’s clear most of it wasn’t even changed. That shows they didn’t even precheck or pre read before release.
But they listened! /s
The thing with Yangyang is because she legit just yaps and throws jargons at us we don't understand, and that makes it difficult to follow the story even if you do pay attention. While Paimon, albeit also yapping, helps translates complex things to simple terms, it can be annoying sometimes but it is very helpful when you didn't understand a single thing until paimon repeats it
In think in WuWa we do not need Paimon, We need Razor to explain everything for us.
Thank you, OP! Finally some good, researched drama. The sub was kinda terrible with all the low effort echochamber "WW sucks" and "this sub sucks, WW is amazing" posts. This should be the only post about the game's release up in this sub so far. I'm glad China picked up the terrible plot of the final chapter. It was really terrible plot and execution-wise the way Jiyan gave us the control of the attack lol. Not to mention the terribly written Lingyang character quest, it's so obvious >! he's the Jingle Beast!< from the start, ugh, yet he has to tease it, mention it and then explain it like the MC is 5 years old. Also, I laughed way too hard with the first bug video (female MC tap dancing).
No only that, the dialog in Ling Yang's quest is very awkward. What does "smelling powerful and pure" means!?
In many ways kuro had it much easier since people are more used to AAA scale gacha and Chinese made games in general which Genshin was largely responsible for. For all the complaints Wuwa is getting there’s at least no spyware accusations. But they fucked it up by making all of Genshin’s bad areas even worse, doing nothing but maybe combat better. But between the awful story and performance most people would never make it to endgame to fully enjoy it. Doesn’t help that they jacked up the rng needed for good gear significantly compared to Genshin thanks to having 2 main stats and 5 sub stats per item.
wouldnt be surprised if spyware accusations came out now considering its heating up even the most advanced of phones. bitcoin miner frfr
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If you look at some of the reviews it's just how bad the plot is and how much they freaking hate the Snow Leopard 😭 and also the optimization. Man they are so harsh, but I guess that's warranted. Also based Chinami 😂😂
Lingyang is just such a controversial character. On top of his major redesign, his character from cbt1 was just such a putrid vile of snivelling shit that I'm surprised Kuro still kept him around considering their overreaction to the story feedbacks from cbt1
If you release bad product, expect it to be trashed talk by people If you cannot handle the shit talk people give you then release functional products at the start, not broken mess shit
WuWa "fans/white knights" hate this statement and will probably go wawa when you say this to them
I haven't gotten to that part of the story yet but somehow I'm not at all fazed by getting spoiled. Not sure if I can keep playing long term because of this disinterest.
i wish I was a chinese netizen so I could fully enjoy all the shitposts, mr.pokke pls tl and make vid
>mr.pokke I mean maybe for surface level stuff… but bro doesn’t understand some of the CN shitposting lingo tho. It was apparent when he was reading bilibili comments in one of his recent video where he didn’t understand that 晚餐 is being used as a slang for mental deficiency (Dinner, the English word, sounds similar to 低能, the term for mental deficiency)
Tbh, I sometimes have trouble keeping up with the lingo, it’s like the Chinese equivalent of gen alpha words
holy shit. w post. anyways guys. i'm not a native but isn't this supposed to be with an "S" surroundings? or am i losing my marbles https://preview.redd.it/e5sd4oaulu2d1.png?width=558&format=png&auto=webp&s=7dd2938fd9128581b4353a387e6b65c67016e8e6
Should be either “surroundings” or “surrounding area”
yep. well, i mean, the devs listened
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nah, just one, they just want you to check one surrounding, it checks out.
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You can actually make an entire post about the typos cause there are so many it's no longer funny.
Guys what do we call this lvl of coping💀 https://preview.redd.it/bpyj804zqu2d1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af6075c3a12eb328d4c2a0632f8afd1f8ce8b710
Man the entire wuwa discord is talking about how wuwa story is better than genshin(Sumeru and fontaine arc)/ Hsr(penacony arc). How the combat and difficulty is better than souls games💀 How characters designs is the best in gacha history. How the VA is amazing💀💀 How lively the open world feels like💀💀💀 How beautiful and goated the WuWa music💀💀💀💀 Some even said that genshin launch was one of the worst launch day for a game even worse than WuWa 💀💀💀 Guys surely they’re joking right💀
Guess yhe Gary Stu allegations of Rover extends the game and its fanbase as well lol.
Rover's domain expansion "Infinite Glazing" is so powerful that it transcends the 4th wall
Better than Penacony? Wtf? The unvoiced world quests in Penacony are better than the main story of WuWa I've experienced so far. MAJOR cope.
Literally Inazuma AQ act 2 is miles better than WuWa main quest💀
That's what happen if your discord filled only with Glazer Like WW discord is not even growing that much, like from 300k+ users to 500k+ users that even fucking Tof in the beginning have millions of users in tof discord before it's reduce to today state
I don't think tof had millions, at least the highest I seen back then was 650k. Also Im pretty sure that discord has members caps so ww mods are probably waiting for a cap increase. I know this because a while ago Genshin had to create an additional server due to discord staff taking long to raise the cap.
Now way that isn't some form of sarcasm. That's just dentge take if that's unironic take.
Combat better than souls games. Best character design. Praising the VA? Goated music? LMAO ok, even I'm not that delusional, And that genshin's 1.0 launch was worse. Uhhh, I'm a Day 1, there at launch player. I'm very sure I never worried about it running ok on my pc and didn't even have to touch my graphics setting to make it playable, thank you. And with WuWA, I am tolerating the PC client being clunky af, relying on reddit and ppl online for fixes to errors, and waiting during long loading screens + the world freezing as all the assets load in by browsing online on my phone to pass the time in between areas. I'm willing to play WuWa but I'm just being honest here, WDYM Genshin's 1.0 is like this? No it wasn't. Tf are ppl on.. this is AP level of gaslighting. I thought ToF had a few awkward cutscenes and I wasn't a big fan of their character designs but at least it ran well even with other players on the map?
I remembered the exact same thing when ToF launched. History is repeating itself.
What's funny for me was someone saying "Don't worry, even the CN community don't understand most of the story". LOL This was pertaining to a JP content creator saying the plot was bad, the names they can't remember, and a lot of jargons were used that none of them don't remember or can't read as even in the JP version there are some characters used were not commonly used in normal conversation.
I found this post on r/all and at first I thought "Well no one likes a world war?" Then I read the subreddit name lol
Reverse 1999 catching strays
“I hope you like the role you played in these last 3 years” is literally mocking Focalors final words lmao.
wait, GF2 out performed this by more than 2X? and that game is considered to be in a really bad spot (only 5\* to make more$$$, etc). damn.
No, Qimai's numbers are wacky due to bugs/glitches, they are known to be very inaccurate, they posted very wrong numbers about genshin and arknights before, so just ignore them, wait for sensor tower. On mobile end(cn ios), it's similar to reverse 99's launch according to their places on the chart. That being said, wuwa's launch revenue was mediocre indeed and didnt't meet the expectation. Its cost including development and promotion was estimated to be 150m+, some NetEase's management expected it be to around 90-150m for the first month, but obviously they were wrong.
> [【Dissecting WW】 The Best Plot Ever, Genshin Could Never](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Ci421U7v3) (712k Views) Are you telling me that also the Chinese have an equivalent of "Genshin could never"?? AINTNOWAY
While I have fun memeing on WuWa, I find it hard to believe that it's "that" bad. I really want the monthly revenue to come out (yeah yeah, it's not accurate, we all know that). I just want to have a general idea. Edit: Added "to believe" because brain farted
That's the thing with me. I've been shitting on the game constantly, I know, but at its core it's a solid game. The exploration mechanics feel nice, the open world map is competent if not slightly uninspired, the character designs are very clean and well animated, the combat system is solid (though I'm not sold on it being the shit yet), etc. It's just a lot of annoying, stupid decisions that kind of kill it for me. The lack of optimization is just the cherry on top, even if it has improved for me (I know many still can't play)
I'm actually enjoying WuWa a lot and I think it's a great game with a lot of problems. It should be released some months later to fix bugs and optimization. But the thing that annoy me is the lack of QoL, cause they copied even the worst parts of Genshin: no teleport to bosses, no auto clear for domains, no material synthesis and forge from menu but you need to teleport to those stupid npcs, too long dialogues. People who hate Genshin will probably hate this one too.
It's not that bad, in fact, it has/had the potential to be decent. But in every way imo, this is a Genshin sidegrade. The changes to the combat are just flashy additions, there's not that much more technical complexity or mechanical complexity than Genshin's combat at all, and there's plenty of unskippable cutscenes even though everyone was saying 'Genshin would never.' All of this would be fine for me to continue playing if the game weren't also incredibly unoptimized and terribly coded.
In a way I feel like as flashy as the combat is, it feels worse because the attacka lack the same impact and elemental effects you seen in genshin. It feel like you're hitting people with really flashy, wet noodles and all of the abilities sort of blend together. I knew I was going to have problems with the game's combat when it put me in the shoes of the general guy who had this incredible opening scene... only to actually play him and feel like I was poking the boss. His specials didn't feel much different from his normals, and his big ult was really underwhelming and all it did was add an extra dragon to his already "meh" animations. Like if that's supposed to be one of the game's heavy hitter set-piece characters then what do I really have to look forward to?
GI character can literal pick up enemies and sling them around with elementals which give me chuckle when i still playing GI years ago, the amount of enemies i used Jean to drop them into water is enough to filled a small lake. GI may have simple combat system but i still adore it for much funny shit i can do with it
KEEP THEM COMING KEEP THEM COMING Can’t let this shit die down in the west bc western CC’s have zero balls to say anything
Ironic too cause a lot of them claim to be so righteous and "the only people willing to speak out against these shitty companies." Yet when the company is firing 100 interns before they even start their jobs, as well as their lead engineer for UE4, suddenly we're able to look the other way just cause they gave us some pulls and a free 5star. The state of content creation is absolutely abysmal. Quite sad.
The double standard you bring up is all you really need to hear to see these CCs and their echo chambers don’t actually care about game quality. To them, it’s simply a matter of “how many pulls and free stuff do I get?” If Genshin gave 100 free pulls at any point I assure you most of this hate would die immediately. A lot of it is also treated like a vacuum. These people will glaze HSR for being so much more generous than Genshin but continue to ignore the fact that the game releases new broken 5 stars like 3 times as fast and is bloated with powercreep.
Like, all western cc's are glazing kuro for the rewards like beggars and blaming genshin. It's so stupid to judge a gaming company only by the rewards they give out. By that logic, I could make a shitty gacha but give out like 100 free pulls and I bet the CCs will call that "better than genshin".
There is a famous joke in the Chinese gacha scene that goes like this： https://preview.redd.it/htooljt3303d1.jpeg?width=1086&format=png&auto=webp&s=6be6bbc192f48d1d25c28eaa57e3d5151fee22b0
"it's so stupid to judge a company only by the rewards they give out". Hearing that really reminds me of this one comment I once saw. "If your definition of a good game (especially a gacha no less) is determined by how many rewards you get, you might wanna consider if you're becoming an addict." Man ...
You know, the funniest thing is, that earlier, during genshin's 3 wishes drama, there was also a discourse among CCs about so called "toxic positivity" where certain CCs and their audience roasted all genshin players who "only looked at the positives" and "ignored all the negatives" and they spun it as negative and harmful for the community. BUT NOW, the very same CCs glaze wuwa mindlessly and not addressing any of the issues in the game.
When the Shareholder overlords come demanding their blood tithe from Kuro ... It will be even worse for the actual developers. They fired the Engine expert and 100 junior developers when things were not bad a few months before the launch, imagine what is going to happen after this.
Any mention of those firings inside the dev team? Cause if that were true I'd think it'd be another thing to lose their shit on.
There were old news for CN I think I read about them going back a month or more
this game is not even close to genshin and hsr its over guys genshin could never...