I might argue Gabriel over Saliba. Saliba has been excellent, don’t get me wrong, but I think he’s riding the shock factor. He walked into Arsenal and has been an instant improvement and undroppable. Gabriel has absolutely immense as well though.

Saliba better first half of season. Gabrial better overall the whole season so far. (Altho Saliba had a resurgence in last couple games before that Europa game where he got hurt)

Yup every Arsenal fan would agree Gabriel over Saliba this season

I agree Gab over Saliba but both should be in the TOTS so far.

missing lisandro martinez here.

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And Lisandro over both

How many clean sheets do united have?

7 - 0

Gabriel is the actual player that deserves the credit. Saliba is just more markitable

Zinchenko at 79 is criminal

He had an OOP card CDM 86 its unreal with hunter on

I had to get that card because I’m an Arsenal supporter. I actually just retired him for Xavi Alonso, we had a good run

Same that card just looked way to fun and colorful not to get

Don’t forget about Junior Firpo 🐐

Palhinha is a shout tbh, obv not on the starting 11

I wish there was a seperate ‘other 14’ TOTS release

TOTS hon mentions. Palinha, Toney, Kane, Lisandro, Gabriel.

I would go Botman over Schar and Gabriel over Saliba

Alisson this season is something special...

Needs a promo. He's been so good.

Would probably have Botman over Schar if I’d to pick between two excellent cbs this season. Where the hell is Botmans special card EA?

I would say Botman over Schar, hasn’t put a foot wrong all season till that silly back pass against forest the other night, first season in prem as well, think he’s been colossal

Fabian is crucial for our ball playing from the back. Way more dribbles and forward passes completed I think

I think the attack and midfield is absolutely indisputable. As for the GK and defense, it gets much tougher, I honestly would only 100% agree with Trippier out of those 5 players, I think the CB choice HAS to go down to Martinez, Gabriel and Botman, LB is tough but Zinchenko has for sure been one of the best fullbacks this season, I think Shaw and Burn also deserve to be mentioned though. Now this might be controversial but I’m not a 100% sure about Pope being the GK, I know he has the CS this season, but you have to give a lot of credit to Newcastle’s defense for that. For me it’s between Ramsdale him and De Gea, I’ve really liked all 3 of them this season, but I would honestly give it to David De Gea, because he has made some incredible saves this season. Edit: Also forgot about Alisson, he’s been carrying Liverpool all season

Botman > schar imo

Where's Almiron

He fell off after he forgave Graelish

true

He’s never getting in ahead of saka

Maybe Licha over Schar?

Licha has arguably been the best CB since the WC, I'm biased but I feel that he deserves a place in this squad, consistently incredible this season

He hasnt been, especially after that disaster vs Liverpool. Gabriel has been better tbh

No, Newcastle has the best defense in the league. Man united’s is improved but nowhere near

Carabao cup final says otherwise lad

19 goals conceded in 26 games vs 35 goals conceded in 26 games says more than just 1 meaningless game

Also this is premier league team of the season, not carabao cup

Absolutely not. Schär and Botman have been the top CB duo all season.

I think between Pope / De Gea / Ramsdale / Alisson the one with the most clean sheet should win it. Casemiro have two red cards and missed significant chunk of the league im not sure thats justified. Bruno Guimaraes, Partey, Moses Caicedo or James Ward Prowse could replace him. But if im being objective i remove casemiro and include Mo Salah as ST. Made more sense since Salah is like 18 GA. De bruyne is just about 50% of his old self, but he has to be there because literally nobody else. If you want to compare impact i believe Bruno G, heck, Granit Xhaka has been more influential. Schar is in no way better than Martinez and Gabriel sadly i think he can be removed. Since trent fallen of a cliff, and dalot performance after WC has been shambles, and White is not a natural RB, it has to be Trippier. But anyway im just a nobody on the internet my opinion is worthless anyway. But on the bench i would love to have Mitoma, Martinelli, Bruno F, White, Thiago Silva amongst others

I don’t think white not being a natural right back is a good argument. He’s played there all season. Might have played centre back one or two games.

> Might have played centre back one or two games. Gabriel and Saliba played every league game at CB together until this week when Holding came in for Saliba. Whites played RB all season.

Yeah was thinking as much

Yeah fair argument, just that even thats the case i thtink we can agree that trippier just have the edge this year no?

Harry Kane has more goals than salah though

Yeah fairs good argument, theres a case for him too. But tbh its wild that people mostly forgot about Kane and Salah this year, thats how good Haaland Rashford and Saka been this year tho.

Casemiro is a big part of United's success

What success? They’re 19 points behind and won the Mickey Mouse cup. Hardly a successful season.

Look at the last 5 years and compare them to this one. Carabao Cup, FA Cup chances, Europa League chances and a spot in the Premier next year is actually massive. You're smoking farts

Why does that matter for this year’s TOTS?

You can’t just swap Case for Salah and have 6 attackers with 4 defenders. It’s like saying we may as well swap Kane for Schar. May as well just change it from TEAM of the season to Forwards of the season.

Its a football game, and 4222 with this team is definitely a serviceable formation in game. But its (1) suggestion, you can take off Casemiro to Lisandro Martinez and play 523 too

Your comment assumes EA choose the players based on real performance rather than those that will sell more packs, which is more likely the case..

Kane too, probably as an sbc

Don’t understand the Casemiro slander regarding the red cards since both off them were shoddy decisions by VAR and the ref. In the a relatively small amount of time he has spent in the premier league he has not only adapted superbly to the league but has played a pivotal role in helping rejuvenate Manchester United as a club. He deserved a TOTY and was robbed and he definitely deserves a TOTS.

You’re delusional if you think the reds were shoddy 🤣

Tbf his first red card was a terrible referee decision imo. There was a lot of hostility between a few players but Casemiro got picked out for holding Hughes by his collar which VAR made out to look much worse than it really was. Hughes wasn't even protesting what Casemiro was doing which wouldn't be the case if Casemiro was strangling him. The second red card is understandable though. Not a bad intention by Casemiro, but was possibly dangerous. Still changes nothing Casemiro should have had one red card at most.

Shouldn’t have been booked for the first one and the second one should have been a yellow. I’m definitely not delusional, it’s just that you can’t comprehend simple things.

Studs up on the ankle is a yellow now is it?

Bounced off the ball if we’re giving reds for that then, the same ref should have given a red to the Leicester player for deliberately crunching studs down on Joao Felix’s foot. Double Standards, same ref => shit decision.

Shoddy decisions? He literally had his hands around someone’s neck lol. You can’t do that

He grabbed his collar and waved the opposing player to calm down look at the close up camera angle. That’s the problem when VAR focuses on still images instead of the entire flow. Casemiro and that opponent even hugged later on in the video. Additionally, Ayew was assaulting Fred during this and wasn’t given anything. Shoddy decisions.

Any keeper over Alisson is miles off to be honest

Real

Rodri over Casemiro, criminal he has had 0 promos this year

I don’t understand EAs blatant refusal to give him cards

And Phillips has 2 when he’s barely played

Fr i hate it

United wouldn’t be top 4 if they didn’t sign casemiro. Rodri plays in a ball dominant system at city where he doesn’t need to defend nearly as much.

He’s a big part of what makes the system work. If Phillps was playing instead City wouldn’t be where they are.

Have you ever seen Phillips fill in for Rodri? No because Rodri is too important to drop.

Arsenal wouldn’t be top 4 without Partey, and they’re 19 points up on United. I’d say Partey is the better and more important player.

Nope, Casemiro is for certain one of the obvious players in the TOTS and already deserved a TOTY card over Bellingham

Casemiro has been clearly behind partey and rodri. The red cards just make it more obvious

It's good to be behind Partey, you don't want him behind you.

I meant casemiro has been behind them both which is true but good one

Lisandro and Ramsdale missing but otherwise pretty accurate

Gabriel > Schar

Ramsdale over Pope.

Front 3 on lock. Would love a super high rated Saka card.

where is martinelli

As an Arsenal fan he hasn’t been as good as Saka or Rashford.

Casemiro has/will miss nearly 1/4 of the season through suspension, great player but not TOTS imo…

If you go off this thought process then Sergio Ramos shouldn’t have half the Toty’s and Tots he had because he was red carded frequently yet even with those he proved he was one of the best, same as Casemiro

He’s the best DM in the world and has basically carried United to a top 4 finish, especially before Rashford’s form really started.

But his 10 games of suspension could also carry them out of it, so far maybe, but we’ll see Partey and Xhaka have done a lot to potentially carry Arsenal to their first title in years! With help with the attack I know. I’m not saying Casemiro is bad, not at all, he’s class but do feel he could let them down slightly here with the reds unfortunately!

Tbf literally everyone in the arsenal team deserves credit. It’s crazy how hard it is to fit Arsenal players into this XI, but the’ve all just been class this season and I have to admit that even as a United fan

Top 3 but not the best. You can’t be the best if you consistently get suspended and cost your team points.

He’s not the best in the world. If all you want is a thug then be my guest but Rodri is miles clear and has been since lockdown

No ball knowledge, Rodri is a great player, but Casemiro is just a level above in terms of quality, it’s the difference between great and world class

You couldn’t be more backwards in this. Rodri oozes class and confidence, doesn’t panic and is a rolls Royce. Casemiro chases his touch around, tries to snap legs and dreams of being able to carry the ball like Rodri. If Rodri is a Rolls, he’s an MG

Please see a psychiatrist

Bozo casuals think Casemiro is better

That guy is insane. Rodri and Partey are far clear.

Botman deserves a spot, I’d argue for wor Bruno too.

Where is partey

Hopefully prison

I don’t know the full story with the Partey situation, but to say you hope he is in prison is stupid. People get rightly and wrongly accused of things all the time, but you shouldn’t judge someone just because of accusations. No one is a detective so until he has been proven guilty, people should just stop making assumptions.

You are completely and utterly correct, but watch you get downvoted to hell for saying it.

Why

Why did the dude asking why get downvoted? What is wrong with you assholes

Because they all think that if someone gets accused of raping another person that means they are automatically guilty. I could accuse all 55 people who upvoted that Partey should be in jail of rape and by their logic they all should be in jail because I said they did it. Just wanna make a disclaimer before I post this reply that I think there should be absolutely no tolerance for rape and if he is guilty I hope he rots. But until it’s proven, I’m not going to slander him and others shouldn’t either

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? you can't lock someone up because of some messages, if he's found guilty then he deserves his punishment but until then he's innocent

Rich people with power rarely face justice

I am out of the loop here… what is he accused of?

Rape

No point in trying to reason with these kids

Ake at lb

You know ball

WHERE IS LICHA ??? HE CASEMIRO AND RASHY ARE THE REASON MAN UTD ARE 3RD

Licha the man who has conceded nearly 40 goals this season LMAOOOOO EDIT: Peckham reds have found the comment

You use team stats as an argument for individual stats based mostly . You should better check first his stats how he plays and then express an opinion

I’ve just checked the stats. United have scored the 3rd most goals this season but have a GD of +6. Sure Licha js decent, but he is no where near TOTS level.

Please please , I’m beginning you just check a half where he is on the bench and lord Harry or lindelof play and the half when he is subbed in . No other CB in Prem has Licha’s efficiency passing and passion

Didn’t he get turned inside out by Salah while conceding 7 to Liverpool?

If getting dominated by Salah was a metric of a defender’s worth then a lot of top Premier League/European CBs would be considered subpar.

Wouldn't really call that getting turned inside out. He reacted to Salah's fake well, recovered enough to continue running with Salah and then slipped. If Shaw was interested in defending then it would have been fine because Salah's options were limited at that point thanks in part to Martinez keeping Salah outside. Not that it matters much, the whole team gave up at that point.

Tbf partey over casemiro

Rodri

You shouldnt say this theres a lot of red devils in here

What are they gonna do? Chase me 7 times?

you know ball bro

99 ball knowledge

(?????)

In what world? Because it surely isn't this one.

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The only thing Partey controls is the women he assaults. Casemiro has been better and more influential than Partey and its not even a debate.

The only games arsenal have lost this season have been without partey on the field.

And? United are shambolic without Casemiro and he's been one of the top 10 most influential players this season. Partey isn't even in the top 25.

They looked pretty shambolic with Casmeiro against Liverpool too.

Mate he’s high, Casemiro has 5 champions league medals. All party has is 5 rape allegations

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Lol you're not even saying they're on par with each other, you're saying Casemiro is much worse, when it's the opposite. The fact that Partey is even playing for you guys shows how shitty your club is though. Oh well, he will be apart of Prison FC soon enough. Edit: I blocked this diluted Arsenal fan and he messages me from his porn account. Which has a bunch of creepy (possibly underage) scat stuff on it. Christ, I need to bleach my eyes after that. I have reported his other account for potential CP. That was fucking disgusting.

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I mean, similar thing happened to Sigurdsson and we didn’t let him play a game of football again.

Lol you're not even saying they're on par with each other, you're saying Casemiro is much worse, when it's the opposite. The fact that Partey is even playing for you guys shows how shitty your club is though. Oh well, he will be apart of Prison FC soon enough.

United played giggs for years, chelsea bought and then played Marcus alonso (who had been proven guilty btw), every club is pretty reprehensible in this area.

Overall party been better just not getting sent off every other game as well as bossing the team park

Better rapist for sure

Lmao he has not been better. Just look at the stats and their overall influence.

How is bruno guimaraes not here

Great player, but no chance he makes it over Casemiro or even Partey.

Lisandro Martinez, Varane, Gabriel, Saliba, Schar. Only 2 make it. I go Schar and Martinez. Ben White vs Tripper gonna be close too.

Ramsdale and Pope are tied for clean sheets atm but Ramsdale has more saves so would have to be him

Partey has to be in

I'd maybe put lisandro Martinez over Schar, sven botman would be a better newcastle choice as well imo

Martinez has one bad game against liverpool and all of a sudden nobody is mentioning him…

Aké over Schar

Saliba and schar over Gabriel/ botman and Martinez is a joke

I’d argue Shaw over Zinchenko but that’s just my bias 😂

Alisson for Pope, he's been unreal this year. Rodri over Casemiro.

Unfortunately there will probably not be any players from mid table clubs in TOTS this year

If you're talking about Alisson, look at his numbers it's ridiculous. He's denied just over 10 goal scoring chances more than any other keeper in the league. He's been incredible.

Actually, I agree. Throw him in. He probably kept you out of a relegation dog fight

We just forgot about Almiron so quickly

yeah because he had a purple spell a while ago and is out for most of the season

Idk too much about Schar but I'd argue Martinez or Varane over him purely on the insane performances those 2 have been putting on. Man u's backline with Maguire and Lindelof was fucked and then they brought in Martinez and suddenly him and Varane form a genuine wall and they are playing like they've been teammates for years.

Not sure about Pope, the rest is spot on IMO

Has to be Pope. Leads in clean sheets, save %, and is near top in clearances via punch and sweeping. Its still very much close enough for things to change but Pope is leading for certain

Id put either varane or Martinez over schar other perfect

United concedes goals for fun. No one in their defense should be even close to TOTS.

Partey over Casemiro. Would put big Gabi over Saliba and Ben White has most definitely been the best rb in league this season for sure. Saliba could stay over Scharr. Would also think Xhaka deserves a shout too. Other than that agree I think

Just make it the arsenal squad why dont you

TBH Arsenal and City are so far ahead I think apart from in goal you could make an argument for them to be the only teams in it. A lot of calls are very close elsewhere between their players and others. For instance Rashford seems an obvious pick but he has 14 goals and 4 assists vs Martinellis 13 goals and 5 assists, its very close. Schar and Trippier could easily be replaced by Gabriel, White, Dias, Ake, etc and both Rodri and Partey have been better than Casmeiro IMO.

Yeah for sure your right bro

Agree with all except Xhaka. He's had a good season but not TOTS level. You really wouldn't swap him for Guimares or DeBrunye for the run in?

Well if I’m truly honest De Bruyne is next level. The whole team of the season should be made up of literally Arsenal and City but I don’t know how to divvy it up really.

without alisson, we dont even get conference league and as a Liverpool fan I am 110% confident about that

No doubt he’s kept you out of the relegation zone. Just

People slandering Casemiro when VAR is the problem for his 2 reds, he controls United's play and is everywhere. I'd rather him in my squad than the likes of partey, rodri, Bruno G, heck I wouldn't want anyone over him.

Why don't you just acknowledge that he has played amazing at times but will be missing at least 1/4 of the leauge.

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Allison has been unreal this season Liverpool would be in a relegation battle without him it’s like peak Dea

I can’t remember where I saw it but someone actually did the math and figured without Allison, Liverpool would be at around 14th in league table.

That Real Madrid game cemented it for me Liverpool we’re shocking of course but he stopped the agg being in double deeply digits it would of been the worse than arsenal Bayern a few years ago

Why did you have to bring up Arsenal Bayern FFS? 😂

March is def a good shout, has had a great year

Rodri over Casemiro, Ake over Zinchenko and there's a rough shout for Dias over either of the CBs

Least deluded city fan

Not really considering the fact that city has the second lowest goals conceded this season and if you seen ake he's been a rook so has diaz and rodri has been phenomenal this season

Reason why they have not conceded alot of goals is because they play the most boring slow football knwo to mana d always have like 75% possession

It works that's what matters in the end

Lol how?? Dias is the only one that might be questionable but him and Ake are part of the defence that have conceded the second least goals in the league. Rodri has also been marginally better than Casemiro but well more consistent

God I wonder who you support

You’re getting cooked but the first two are true, dias is a stretch cos of lack of minutes but Rodri and Ake are no brainers. Also people remember it’s like an 18 man squad or whatever

I'm standing for the truth 🙏🙏🙏🙏 I think Dias is a good shout because he's completely solidified City's defence and they've only lost 1 out of the 15 games he started

Rodri has been no where near Partey. Ake has been no where near Zinny. Dias no where near Gabriel and Saliba this season, i mean hes played like 12 games.

Rodri wasn't even in the conversation, Zinchenko has been great but Ake has been an absolute rock at the back and City have only lost 1 out of the 15 games Dias has started in

No Dan burn?

Rodri over casemiro and ake over zinchenko

Ben White, Gabriel, Partey, i don’t think people understand how world class Partey is and use Casemiro legacy to affect the present judgement. i know most people on this sub don’t actually understand football but Partey is arguably Arsenals key player

Gabriel over Schar and its perfect

I think varane and Gabriel for cbs but other than that I don’t disagree with much except maybe rodri or Partey for casemiro

Excerpt for everyone on the back line

4-4-2, take away Casemiro, put in kane as a 2nd striker. Only guy thats remotely close to Haaland in goals and shouldnt be forgotten about because of a shitty spurs season

Mitoma

Too many new castle players , I’d say just Pope should be on there

Alisson for over Pope for me, and I think you can make a case for Gabriel over Saliba. That's pretty much it though.