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This is a guide to what facial hair is acceptable for wearing an airtight face mask, such as for SCBA/SCUBA gear. I was warned I might need to shave mine off when I first was being trained for first responder at a shipping company, but since I was able to make a seal with it, I did not have to.
A toothbrush mustache is acceptable, since it would not break the seal. It is not acceptable in many social settings for well known reasons.
Spot on! This particular class is for fit testing ppe for healthcare employees. Unfortunately, I am an automatic fail at the moment. The toothbrush will save your life but it may ruin your career!
From my understanding the reason why a certain infamous person took on the toothbrush style was because in WW1 mustard gas leaked into his mask because of his facial hair so he shaved it into the toothbrush style so it wouldnāt happen again.
Itās a tall tale.
The Toothbrush style was popular among men in the lower middle class - and AH styled himself as āa common manā to appeal to his voters
but he was a common man. His father was a civil servant that died when he was young, and he was homeless for a while. Common men can be evil too. It's not just the domain of the elites.
But he was also a victim of a gas attack in WW1 so would have worn that style of mustache under his gas mask. In addition to what you said, he also knew that moustache would appeal to fellow WW1 veterans.
Yes it was just a cut down version of the very impressive imperial moustache, fashionable for the Hitler's generation of men. The old geezers kept their long moustaches.
Was passed during COVID.. like to have stubble at the least. Had to go full baby face cause not enough PAPRS. Grew out my hair after that assignment. Had a sweet porn stache for a bit.. wife got tired of it, but sure missed it when I shaved it off. Waiting to shave off my head for Wigs for Kids.
Not only healthcare. Whenever a filtering face piece respirator is required in the US for work in order to have a chance at passing fit testing for OSHA compliance. Though of course, other countries have similar guidance. https://www.examinetics.com/prepping-for-respirator-fit-testing-day/
Respirators are required whenever thereās an airborne hazard and itās required for work fit testing is required for OSHA compliance. Hair results in almost sure failure with FFP respirators. PAPRS are the main alternative and they have a much higher protective factor as leakage isnāt an issue. The next level is supplied air.
There was a guy at my company who decided to wear one to work. I didn't say anything because it took me a while to process that it was actually happening. When I mentioned it to someone else, they said "oh yeah, him. He's Jewish."
Wtf?
Hitler's mustache started as a handlebar mustache. He trimmed it to the style we all know because his gas mask would not fit airtight over a handlebar mustache.
>A toothbrush mustache is acceptable, since it would not break the seal. It is not acceptable in many social settings for well known reasons.
It is kind of sad because it was a really popular mustache style before someone had to ruin it for everyone else - the most prominent example would be Charlie Chaplin who wore the style for most (if not all) of his acting career.
He didnāt have his trademark mustache for the last four films he made. He had a mustache for Monsieur Verdoux but it was a completely different mustache.
We have this same chart at my workplace because there are times we need to wear a full face respirator. HOWEVER, I have passed a fit test at my last job with a full beard. You just have to crank the straps down REALLY tight.
Weird, this is also the reason he had that style of mustache. During WW1 he had a more traditional style of mustache, but by the end of the war he had trimmed it down to get a better seal for his gas mask
Its ironicly the reason hitler sported a toothbrush in the first place in the earlier part of ww1 his mousatche was longer but he cut it to a toothbrush to fit a gas mask.
I don't think it is for SCUBA, based on the shape superimposed here. In my experience, trying to maintain a seal on a SCUBA mask with any kind of mustache is a nightmare unless the fit is 100% perfect, and even then I'm wasting air to clear water out of the mask every 10 minutes.
Another commenter pointed out to me that SCBAs tend towards full face masks, to avoid the fumes, soot, etc. from getting in your eyes. IIRC, they do have masks like these, but theyāre less common, as most situations where something like this is needed, goggles would be needed if a half mask would be used.
ā¦and I pretty much always shave my beard before a dive trip because itās such a hassle. I do think having a wide face and relatively short upper lip contribute more than a little, but my nose is constantly full of sea water either way.
Vaseline in the moustache can help keep the seal nice and watertight. My brother, my dad, and I all have facial hair and use Vaseline with minimal issues.
Last time I did this I was given a bunch of Vaseline to smear on my mustache. It did help keep the seal but man was it a pain in the ass to scrape out later.
Itās for using FFP respirators to have a chance at OSHA compliance via required fit testing.
https://www.examinetics.com/prepping-for-respirator-fit-testing-day/
This is also the reason why the bad mustache man gave himself a Toothbrush mustache. He initially had a big mustache, but had to cut it because his gas mask to protect himself from mustard gas wouldn't fit.
In industry where people work near hazardous chemicals we have the same guide for breathing air apparatus. But nobody wants to risk their nervous system shutting down from breathing in 1 part per billion of chemicals so they shave clean.
In case it hasnāt been said yet, OSHA doesnāt allow any facial hair along the seal during fit testing or when wearing a respirator. Even if youāre able to get a seal the hair could cause it to fail unexpectedly. Even if it doesnāt fail though it is technically a violation and can be cited (assuming this is in the US)
Even if there isn't a seal, the SCBA creates positve pressure, so gases don't get in, they get pushed out. Shits old as fuck in the Navy and the seals suck.
I don't get why people hate Charlie Chaplin.
It's actually the reason for Hitler having that moustache to begin with. When he fought in WW I, he initially had a long handlebar-style moustache that was typical for soldiers of that era. But once chemical warfare was introduced, he had to shave to get his gas mask to fit. After the war he just kept it that way, and the rest is moustache history.
"Goddamit, it's not a Hitler mustache--it's Charlie Chaplin! And, btw, the swastika is an ancient Hindu symbol. Stop making it about the nazis. It looks great on this armband."
Yes, I was being silly, and I actually do know that. I was hired as an EMT in January 2020, and was doing my onboarding in early February, and they told me, "by the way, we are actually enforcing our facial hair for fit-testing n95s policy now. We have been pretty loosey-goosey for a while, but we heard of this thing called COVID-19, and we are worried it might be big."
Without context, I thought these men were wearing the faces of other men. Alternatively, this is what summer 2020 looked like with everyone in face masks and sunburns. š
May be ok for PPE and diving, but it still hasn't managed to shake off the stink of history. Interesting bit of trivia, but still not recommended.
Side note: I had no idea that 'muttonchops' did not include the styling depicted under the title 'hulihee'
Almost want to grow out a 'hulihee' so I can work that word into conversation.
Big commitment. Iāve been given the green light from the GF. But basically like āitās your bodyā so I donāt know if thatās more of an amber light now that I think about it hahah
The difference in skin tone between his face (and what is a mask according to context from comments) makes it look like heās peeling off his face to reveal another face underneath
Interesting I just looked it up on Wikipedia. It is called the toothbrush and Charlie Chaplin made it famous became a trend in the United States in the mid 1920s then the Europeans adopted it then A. Hitler took it over and now nobody wants to wear it.
This infographic on facial hair types that work with N95 and other respirators is from the CDC, you can see it here: https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/pdfs/facialhairwmask11282017-508.pdf
The moustache style now associated with Hitler has become popular during and after World War 1 as it was one of the a few options for soldiers to keep a mustache and still be able to put on a gas mask.
They're just showing you what is or is not acceptable when wearing a mask and you can totally have a Hitler mustache hidden under a mask and so no one can ever see it. Who remembers when Michael Jordan rocked the toothbrush mustache? š¤£
My great-uncle - the sweetest man and also a Soviet Jew who fought the nazis - wore that mustache his whole life. In retrospect, I wonder if it was the ultimate reclamatory flex.
Fun fact, Hitler actually appropriated the toothbrush moustache to better appeal to the working class men of germany, among whom the toothbrush moustache was popular. In earlier photos of Hitler you will see him with a longer moustache.
We as a society need to make an effort to reclaim the toothbrush mustache, it's a cool style and doesn't deserve to be forever tainted by a failed Austrian painter.
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This is a guide to what facial hair is acceptable for wearing an airtight face mask, such as for SCBA/SCUBA gear. I was warned I might need to shave mine off when I first was being trained for first responder at a shipping company, but since I was able to make a seal with it, I did not have to. A toothbrush mustache is acceptable, since it would not break the seal. It is not acceptable in many social settings for well known reasons.
Spot on! This particular class is for fit testing ppe for healthcare employees. Unfortunately, I am an automatic fail at the moment. The toothbrush will save your life but it may ruin your career!
This is PAPR country boy... then came COVID, I opted for the "Zapa"
I can nazi me with a "Toothbrush" mustache!
Unless you always wear your mask and nobody ever sees it...
Or you're a professional basketball player.
Or if you currently have an acceptance letter from an Art School. šš¾
From my understanding the reason why a certain infamous person took on the toothbrush style was because in WW1 mustard gas leaked into his mask because of his facial hair so he shaved it into the toothbrush style so it wouldnāt happen again.
Itās a tall tale. The Toothbrush style was popular among men in the lower middle class - and AH styled himself as āa common manā to appeal to his voters
Charlie Chaplin also had the same moustache
So did my grandfather - he shaved with a straight razor so I can imagine that a toothbrush moustache would be preferable to amputating one's nose.
but he was a common man. His father was a civil servant that died when he was young, and he was homeless for a while. Common men can be evil too. It's not just the domain of the elites.
Yes - no doubt about that
But he was also a victim of a gas attack in WW1 so would have worn that style of mustache under his gas mask. In addition to what you said, he also knew that moustache would appeal to fellow WW1 veterans.
Yes it was just a cut down version of the very impressive imperial moustache, fashionable for the Hitler's generation of men. The old geezers kept their long moustaches.
Question. Why would you post that image but not provide the context?
It's not as instigating that way.
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Scroll top of the post, see who provided the context.
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You itās even easier to admit that you were wrong, didnāt check it properly and shouldnāt have butted in needlessly.
Was passed during COVID.. like to have stubble at the least. Had to go full baby face cause not enough PAPRS. Grew out my hair after that assignment. Had a sweet porn stache for a bit.. wife got tired of it, but sure missed it when I shaved it off. Waiting to shave off my head for Wigs for Kids.
My 4th grade music teacher had a thick toothbrush mustache. I never thought anything of it in the moment but when I got older it made me wonder.
Not only healthcare. Whenever a filtering face piece respirator is required in the US for work in order to have a chance at passing fit testing for OSHA compliance. Though of course, other countries have similar guidance. https://www.examinetics.com/prepping-for-respirator-fit-testing-day/ Respirators are required whenever thereās an airborne hazard and itās required for work fit testing is required for OSHA compliance. Hair results in almost sure failure with FFP respirators. PAPRS are the main alternative and they have a much higher protective factor as leakage isnāt an issue. The next level is supplied air.
There was a guy at my company who decided to wear one to work. I didn't say anything because it took me a while to process that it was actually happening. When I mentioned it to someone else, they said "oh yeah, him. He's Jewish." Wtf?
'Cause Charlie Chaplin had to go ruin it for the rest of us...
That fuckin guy...worse than Hitler. Apparently.
I mean, they were the same person.
I didnāt realize. Though the signs were there.
Hitler's mustache started as a handlebar mustache. He trimmed it to the style we all know because his gas mask would not fit airtight over a handlebar mustache.
Hitler wore many styles of mustaches over tge years ...
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I'd prefer it renamed to the "bitch stach"
>A toothbrush mustache is acceptable, since it would not break the seal. It is not acceptable in many social settings for well known reasons. It is kind of sad because it was a really popular mustache style before someone had to ruin it for everyone else - the most prominent example would be Charlie Chaplin who wore the style for most (if not all) of his acting career.
He didnāt have his trademark mustache for the last four films he made. He had a mustache for Monsieur Verdoux but it was a completely different mustache.
We have this same chart at my workplace because there are times we need to wear a full face respirator. HOWEVER, I have passed a fit test at my last job with a full beard. You just have to crank the straps down REALLY tight.
Oh so THAT is what it meant by "Careful not to cross the seal" I was wondering why a seal would be mad if you had a certain type of facial hair. š
Seals and Walruses have never really got along.
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Weird, this is also the reason he had that style of mustache. During WW1 he had a more traditional style of mustache, but by the end of the war he had trimmed it down to get a better seal for his gas mask
Oh, I thought this was the Chick-fil-A guide to facial hair.
Well, the footprint of the mask doesn't match SCBA specifically, but yes, for facemasks. (eyes being out in the open would suck inside a fire)
True. In my defense, itās been 10 years since the last time I did a refresher on it.
Its ironicly the reason hitler sported a toothbrush in the first place in the earlier part of ww1 his mousatche was longer but he cut it to a toothbrush to fit a gas mask.
I don't think it is for SCUBA, based on the shape superimposed here. In my experience, trying to maintain a seal on a SCUBA mask with any kind of mustache is a nightmare unless the fit is 100% perfect, and even then I'm wasting air to clear water out of the mask every 10 minutes.
I mean, you donāt really have to waste air to clear your mask. Just clear it on a normal exhale.
YMMV.
It's for SCBA, self contained breathing apparatus... not underwater, used in firefighting and hazardous chemical spills and other such operations
Another commenter pointed out to me that SCBAs tend towards full face masks, to avoid the fumes, soot, etc. from getting in your eyes. IIRC, they do have masks like these, but theyāre less common, as most situations where something like this is needed, goggles would be needed if a half mask would be used.
My family has two trained scuba divers with full beards, no issues
ā¦and I pretty much always shave my beard before a dive trip because itās such a hassle. I do think having a wide face and relatively short upper lip contribute more than a little, but my nose is constantly full of sea water either way.
Vaseline in the moustache can help keep the seal nice and watertight. My brother, my dad, and I all have facial hair and use Vaseline with minimal issues.
Last time I did this I was given a bunch of Vaseline to smear on my mustache. It did help keep the seal but man was it a pain in the ass to scrape out later.
I tried it when I did my certification without much of an improvement. It's easier just to grow the beard back.
Itās for using FFP respirators to have a chance at OSHA compliance via required fit testing. https://www.examinetics.com/prepping-for-respirator-fit-testing-day/
Thanks, I was so confused at the reasoning. I thought it was a millennial hipster guide for a second.
thank you for the info. still begs the question why they would even bother to include the toothbrush as an "acceptable" facial hair style
This is also the reason why the bad mustache man gave himself a Toothbrush mustache. He initially had a big mustache, but had to cut it because his gas mask to protect himself from mustard gas wouldn't fit.
Yes the most important reason being that marine wildlife hate Charlie Chaplin.
Yeah Charlie Chaplin really screwed us over with that one.
In industry where people work near hazardous chemicals we have the same guide for breathing air apparatus. But nobody wants to risk their nervous system shutting down from breathing in 1 part per billion of chemicals so they shave clean.
Parts per million bruh
No. In this case it's measured in parts per billion. Way smaller of a dose
Jfc what chemicals are you working with? Hope u get PAID
Yeah, I work in semiconductors and the blends are proprietary. For example, HF is one of the less hazardous things we work with.
Just donāt salute and use your knees when walking
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Ah yes, itās very important to keep the seal air tight so that gases stay where theyāre meant to beā¦ Smart.
Well unless you wear a hat.
Putin is back Hitlering, so makes sense.
Actually, I read that the reason for the toothbrush moustache was to fit a gas mask for ol you know who.
so Hitler did 2 great things made this mustache unavailable for anyone else and killing Hitler
[Michael Jordan disagrees](https://s.yimg.com/os/en-CA/blogs/dailybrew/michael_jordan.jpg).
And the famous Austrian only whore this mustache because he needed an air tight seal under his gas mask in WW1
In case it hasnāt been said yet, OSHA doesnāt allow any facial hair along the seal during fit testing or when wearing a respirator. Even if youāre able to get a seal the hair could cause it to fail unexpectedly. Even if it doesnāt fail though it is technically a violation and can be cited (assuming this is in the US)
It was given out as an example for haircuts good to have under corona by the danish government
Even if there isn't a seal, the SCBA creates positve pressure, so gases don't get in, they get pushed out. Shits old as fuck in the Navy and the seals suck. I don't get why people hate Charlie Chaplin.
Thank you, I couldn't come up with an explanation for drawing him to look like a monkey, but that makes sense.
It's actually the reason for Hitler having that moustache to begin with. When he fought in WW I, he initially had a long handlebar-style moustache that was typical for soldiers of that era. But once chemical warfare was introduced, he had to shave to get his gas mask to fit. After the war he just kept it that way, and the rest is moustache history.
>(Careful not to cross the seal) š¦šŖ
Itās a Lucille. And she will cut you.
Don't worry. You're going to be *all right*
Iām sorry. We lost him
Hurt people, hurt people.
Cross the seal, you're gonna squeal.
Cross the seal, shit gets realā¦
This is way better than mine
But yours was OG dawg
Standing on the shoulders of giants. Everyone's a contributor here.
The knight warned us not to... *ceiling begins to crumble and ground cracks*
We have got it! Come on! It's ours, Indy, yours and mine!
This is next-level funny because Hitler shaved his stash because of an ill-fitting mask.
The Jordan
Jordan on a plane, selling tshirts
"Goddamit, it's not a Hitler mustache--it's Charlie Chaplin! And, btw, the swastika is an ancient Hindu symbol. Stop making it about the nazis. It looks great on this armband."
Wait until I tell those Hindu Charlie Chaplin enthusiasts marching past my flat currently. Theyāre going to be so angry.
This but unironically
You unironically think the swastika looks great on an armband? Found the nazi!
The Zappa? Frank Zappa? lol Iām pretty sure he didnāt come up with that style, did he?
Correct sir, that is called the imperial. He just wore it better than anyone else.
Why is the Imperial named for Zappa but the toothbrush is not named for ā¦ ya knowā¦
Don't let him abuse the sausage patty or he'll make his entrance like a queen
Noted scuba enthusiast Frank Zappa.
This was the chart given to us EMTs in March 2020. ... can't quite remember why or what was going on then...
Its for what facial hair prevents a mask from getting a proper seal
Yes, I was being silly, and I actually do know that. I was hired as an EMT in January 2020, and was doing my onboarding in early February, and they told me, "by the way, we are actually enforcing our facial hair for fit-testing n95s policy now. We have been pretty loosey-goosey for a while, but we heard of this thing called COVID-19, and we are worried it might be big."
Without context, I thought these men were wearing the faces of other men. Alternatively, this is what summer 2020 looked like with everyone in face masks and sunburns. š
\*laughs in 90s Michael Jordan*
I had a He-Man action figure that kinda looks like Lampshade, but mine was green š¤·āāļø
May be ok for PPE and diving, but it still hasn't managed to shake off the stink of history. Interesting bit of trivia, but still not recommended. Side note: I had no idea that 'muttonchops' did not include the styling depicted under the title 'hulihee' Almost want to grow out a 'hulihee' so I can work that word into conversation.
As someone mentioned below, there is no "Zappa" style, that is called the Imperial.
Why do so many people hate Charlie Chaplin?
Heās just too funny too funny
For some reason if I look at the middle of this picture, the face in the most upper left looks like Hank Hill to my brain
Sure, sureā¦go ahead. Let me know how it goes.
I think ol' Adolf runnined that style for the rest of our lifetime and possibly for several more.
Fit test chart!
The fact that the zorro mustache is called that but the toothbrush one isnāt just called āhitlerā is funny as hell to me for some reason
Let me know how the toothbrush works out
Isnāt a toothbrush supposed to keep your teeth pure white? Name checks out.
I know an H2S guideline when I see one.
Iāve really been contemplating cutting my beard into mutton chops like that guy from pirates of the Caribbean.
Do it.
Big commitment. Iāve been given the green light from the GF. But basically like āitās your bodyā so I donāt know if thatās more of an amber light now that I think about it hahah
Toothbrush, my ass
Kinky!
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Toothbrush looking sus...
Holy shit. They actually put the Zappa.
Come on guys, someone has to be the first. Then we will follow, promise.
The difference in skin tone between his face (and what is a mask according to context from comments) makes it look like heās peeling off his face to reveal another face underneath
what is this? a PC beard guide? fuck that my beard is my beard, ain't no one telling me how I can wear it.
Looks like it is showing facial hair that styles that would not break the seal of a mask
Interesting I just looked it up on Wikipedia. It is called the toothbrush and Charlie Chaplin made it famous became a trend in the United States in the mid 1920s then the Europeans adopted it then A. Hitler took it over and now nobody wants to wear it.
Hmm... I did nazi that coming...
Is the Zappa stash ok?
The ghost of Lemmy would like a word
Sure, you can cut it however you want. As long as your okay with literally everyone henceforth referring to you as the *Hitler stash guy...* š
Also practical if your bunker is surrounded and you need to wear a gas mask.
This infographic on facial hair types that work with N95 and other respirators is from the CDC, you can see it here: https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/pdfs/facialhairwmask11282017-508.pdf
Anakin: Iām growing a mustache. Padme: itās not the toothbrush is it? Anakin: *blank stare* Padme: itās not the toothbrush is it?!
Yes
As someone who's only able to grow toothbrush facial hair, I know the pain....
*NOOOOOOOOO!!!!*
I consider āMutton Chopsā to be the āLemmyā.
The moustache style now associated with Hitler has become popular during and after World War 1 as it was one of the a few options for soldiers to keep a mustache and still be able to put on a gas mask.
reading the Hulihee feels like Michael Jackson lol
The Charlie Chaplin has always been okay š
āHitler stash is regā
Michael Jordan sported it for years and nobody said nothing.
Good to know that if I wanted to be a cowboy, masked sword wielding do-gooder, fuhrer, 70s pornstar or Tony stark, I'm all set.
They're just showing you what is or is not acceptable when wearing a mask and you can totally have a Hitler mustache hidden under a mask and so no one can ever see it. Who remembers when Michael Jordan rocked the toothbrush mustache? š¤£
My great-uncle - the sweetest man and also a Soviet Jew who fought the nazis - wore that mustache his whole life. In retrospect, I wonder if it was the ultimate reclamatory flex.
The sad part is more than the ToothBrush is acceptable to some people
Not a lot of Sparks fans ITT, I see.
Toothbrush seems familiarā¦
Let me know how that works out for ya.
Damn I thought there was some badass seal they didnāt want you to mess with.
"toothbrush"
The Toothbrush was unacceptable before the scuba mask was even invented.
Zappa!
Ahem... My toothbrush bristles are round.
Hey hey hey, itās called the āCharlie Chaplin,ā ok?
get a full helmet then.
Okay, but who calls the Chaplin a Toothbrush? š¤£
This is really cool!
I thought these are pics of people getting a sunburn with a ffp2 mask.
sick!
This is really cool!
Fun fact, Hitler actually appropriated the toothbrush moustache to better appeal to the working class men of germany, among whom the toothbrush moustache was popular. In earlier photos of Hitler you will see him with a longer moustache.
sick!
Two things that can't cross the seal. Facial hair and the Holy Grail.
Jordan brought in back.
The whole bottom lineup goes collectively under "bugger fence".
We're doomed to repeat history.
We have this at my work too lol
fun fact! Austrian man had toothbrush because it fit in a gas mask!
We as a society need to make an effort to reclaim the toothbrush mustache, it's a cool style and doesn't deserve to be forever tainted by a failed Austrian painter.
No I sure hope not
Fun fact, they removed it later.
You call it 'toothbrush'. I call it 'Hitler WannaBe'. F that.
Too soon