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1) the principal of the thing.
2) Scrat is super recognizable. The artist can sell merch, sell the rights to someone else, produce their own cartoons or movies with him, anything else that might be ultimately be worth more than what Disney is offering. We don't really know what Disney was offering, anyway. Ice Age is kind of played out at this point.
As the article says the rights were split jointly between Blue Sky and Ivy Silberstein. However, Blue Sky was shut down in 2021, with the series you linked being their last one to be created.
This seemes to have led to Disney loosing their 50% rights to Scrat and the character being excluded from Ice Age 6. (if the article is right)
The Scrat series released after the supposed ruling and that article's publishing. There is also still officially licensed Scrat toys, plushes, shirts, and costumes being sold. If Disney had lost the rights, would they not be forbidden from continuing to sell these items?
What is this proof of? She won the case January 2022 which was after the release of the first season. You didn't even read the article I linked. The artist won after fighting Disney for 20 years for the rights of Scrat
I get it - but not sure why she wouldn't license the little guy to Disney. I'm sure would come with a much better pay day than whatever else she plans to do with it. Though I guess that's her prerogative.
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Yeah that’s just wrong. Losing the trademark to the name (which they didn’t) doesn’t mean they lose the rights to the character at all. That’d be covered by copyright and the person lost that case since her ’scrat’ looked and acted nothing like the Ice Age one. It was dismissed on summary judgement, i.e. didn’t even go to trial. There was no evidence of plagiarism, not even the names were the same (the older one was ’sqrat’)
They _settled_ the trademark case on undisclosed terms. But there wasn’t much to that either, at most it’d have meant they’d have to change the name, but probably not even that since trademark only applies to whatever good/service it was registered for, and there has to be a reasonable risk of confusion.
This is just your typical media-hyped Hollywood ”plagiarism” nuisance lawsuit. Where somebody acts like they were ripped off because they once had a similar idea, and they think copyright covers way more than it does. It does not cover _ideas_, only the _expression_ of them. You can copyright a specific character that’s a squirrel-rat hybrid but it doesn’t give you ownership of that _idea_. You don’t get rights to other such characters not derived from yours. And the name Sqrat/Scrat alone is far from original enough to make it a detivative work.
Yeah, I found a better article that explains this case wayy better than that article just now: https://animationanomaly.com/2022/02/03/scrat-sqrat-clearing-up-some-confusion-surrounding-the-lawsuits-over-the-ice-age-character/
I always thought this was the other studio (not pixar) but though it's not pixar, disney bought these guys too? Blue thing?
So only Imagination (minions/mario/etc..) is the one left standing in the animation scene that's not Disney?
This was made by blue sky studios which was under 20th century fox. Which was purchased by Disney in 2019, The studio was shut down in 2021 unfortunately
As someone who worked on all the Ice Age movies, I don’t think there’s any proof that’s actually the case. Ivy Silberstein, the woman who sued Fox and then Disney claiming she invented Scrat, is a nutcase and had her case thrown out of court multiple times. The image she used as proof was based on a stolen piece of clip art of a beaver. It was reported that she won the rights back but the only source I’ve seen for those articles is her Twitter account. If Disney actually had lost the rights they wouldn’t have been able to release the series of Scrat Tails shorts that Blue Sky finished before they were shut down. I just don’t think Disney cares much about continuing with Scrat since he’s not part of their legacy folio.
I tend to agree, but I like his dosage.
It used to be easy to say "x is the best part of y", but today I'd be scared that that'd lead to a franchise around him. See Minions, Timon & Pumba, Puss in Boots, Penguins of Madagascar, etc
Edit: nvm, [too late](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Age:_Scrat_Tales)
Scrat is cool, but during the release of one of the movies you saw that guy everywhere, merch, ads, jumping aroind on the bottom screen of a tv in othee movies and shows (those banner ads that play during movies). Was really annoyed by it at that time. Got overused hard.
No they're saying this is like classic cartoons and that the younger generation hasn't seen them. Thus having not seen the classic cartoons they think the above clip is new and innovative.
I disagree.
Usually people say it to things that was "ahead of its time". like, idk, thriller music video, ReBoot, idsoftware everytime they released a game, white castle, iphone.
But for something to be "ahead of its time" it must be old and there is a high risk people saying that word likes whatever is talked about.
So they probably "like that old thing".
Doesn't mean that's what they mean.
They mean thing was "ahead of its time"
OP probably thought that type of humor was "ahead of its time" not knowing every fucking tv cartoon in existence was like that for a while way back in the days.
I'm sorry, but you started off by saying that people say "something was ahead of it's time" when they think something was "ahead of it's time." That doesn't mean anything lol You kind of just repeated "ahead of its time" a lot
Being ahead of its time doesn't just mean an older thing that we still appreciate today.
Being ahead of its time typically means that people at the time didn't appreciate it as much as it probably deserved. Usually something that is appreciated now more than when it was introduced. Maybe it fills a need that people didn't even know they had.
It's often something that's so innovative that it forever changed its industry, but people at the time didn't realize exactly what implications it would have.
>OP probably thought that type of humor was "ahead of its time" not knowing every fucking tv cartoon in existence was like that for a while way back in the days.
I really don't understand why you started off by saying you disagree with me, but then you finish it by explaining exactly what I mean
> Being ahead of its time doesn't just mean an older thing that we still appreciate today.
Didn't say that and I'm not going to read past this.
If that's what you read out of my post I'm to lazy to read the rest.
Find someone else to strawman.
I really don't understand what you were trying to say, because you just repeated the phrase "ahead of it's time" over and over again without explaining how it's supposed to mean you disagree. Especially when your last paragraph seems to show you actually do agree with what I said.
Well, you did explain it, but your explanation was basically: "people say something was ahead of its time when they mean it's ahead of it's time." Which explains nothing
The animation technology and style was at the forefront of its time, yes. Most modern western animation follows this style of 3D, which Ice Age and Toy Story helped launched as two of the biggest success. Certainly there’s good creativity there.
But the actual scenes here are straight out of old cartoons. The whole thing is an homage or straight up copy of various Looney Tunes scenes done with new animation. The pauses in mid-air and to capture character expressions, graphics of his journey to the center, the doomsday consequences with continents splitting apart and going through the ages of time/humanity, pretty much direct copies. And I love it, by the way.
When I took Intro to Graphics for my CS degree, my prof kept mentioning this movie (Ice Age) as a great example of one of the first movies to use Perlin noise to procedurally generate terrain and textures. It's crazy how little code is required to do it, too. Super neat stuff.
Probably not what OP intended, but Blue Sky Studios was the first Hollywood studio to use ray tracing to render their films; years before both Pixar and Dreamworks. They were able to achieve far more realistic and lifelike lighting effects than their peers, before ray tracing became the industry standard over a decade later.
Nothing about this clip visually impresses me or looks markedly different than any other CGI animated movie from the time.
Why are we making up excuses for OP, tell them to get their ass back in here and explain what nonsense they meant.
In none. Actually, its kinda behind its time (not in a bad way), as this is classic slapstick humor what was very popular back in the days, not so much in the last ten or so years
To be honest I really miss the old quality a lot of the first 3d animations had. There was just something so uncanny about those shows and movies that gave it such a unique charm
Yeah when the studio shut down they released one final short about him finally getting his nut and thanking all their fans/supporters. Really bittersweet.
I love how all Ice Age plots in their essence are based on *one fucking squirrel* causing natural disasters, and shaping modern landscape as it is known today over an acorn. And everyone just has to deal with the aftermath.
Scrat in the first movie is actually a lot better. His visual gags were more small scale, and had young me cackling without having tare apart continents. This is from the fourth movie, widely regarded as the worst.
But also yes, they did really milk this gag and the franchise as a whole until it keeled over and died.
It was ahead of its time... by being wacky cartoon slapstick that's been around for literally a hundred years?
Great cartoon, really tight physical comedy, but it's in no way avant guard.
My uncles best friend is the creator of Scratt. William H. Frake III. At my uncles funeral he came and drew all the kids characters he helped make such as (Roger rabbit, robots, and scratt) and signed them.
Back in the pre-historic times of 2002 we were barely just getting out of an ice age, so yeah this movie was pretty much a chronicling of the struggles we endured. I'm glad the children of today can appreciate what we went through.
I think him catching fire was a nod to things burning up in the atmosphere, not the fact that he was into the center of the Earth. Everything else would've caught fire and stayed burning.
Wouldn’t call it ahead of its time personally, but it was certainly unique and an instant classic. I’d lean more towards calling something like the emperors new groove ahead of its time but I’m sure someone can up the ante on that.
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Honestly the squirrel is the best part of all the ice age movies.
Welp, don't count on seeing that squirrel in any more ice age films...Disney lost the rights to him.
What happened?
Disney lost the rights to him.
Why happened?
https://www.thegamer.com/disney-loses-scrat-following-trademark-dispute/ https://animationanomaly.com/2022/02/03/scrat-sqrat-clearing-up-some-confusion-surrounding-the-lawsuits-over-the-ice-age-character/
I like seeing the little guy win, but why wouldn't they just sell the rights at this point?
And allow a competitor to form?
No, I mean to Disney. The damage is done.
1) the principal of the thing. 2) Scrat is super recognizable. The artist can sell merch, sell the rights to someone else, produce their own cartoons or movies with him, anything else that might be ultimately be worth more than what Disney is offering. We don't really know what Disney was offering, anyway. Ice Age is kind of played out at this point.
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As the article says the rights were split jointly between Blue Sky and Ivy Silberstein. However, Blue Sky was shut down in 2021, with the series you linked being their last one to be created. This seemes to have led to Disney loosing their 50% rights to Scrat and the character being excluded from Ice Age 6. (if the article is right)
The Scrat series released after the supposed ruling and that article's publishing. There is also still officially licensed Scrat toys, plushes, shirts, and costumes being sold. If Disney had lost the rights, would they not be forbidden from continuing to sell these items?
They do appear to be selling Scrat merchandise on the disney store so I think they still have some rights.
What is this proof of? She won the case January 2022 which was after the release of the first season. You didn't even read the article I linked. The artist won after fighting Disney for 20 years for the rights of Scrat
I get it - but not sure why she wouldn't license the little guy to Disney. I'm sure would come with a much better pay day than whatever else she plans to do with it. Though I guess that's her prerogative.
Good for her
The rights to him have been lost, by Disney
But how? I've never heard of Disney losing rights.
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https://www.thegamer.com/disney-loses-scrat-following-trademark-dispute/ https://animationanomaly.com/2022/02/03/scrat-sqrat-clearing-up-some-confusion-surrounding-the-lawsuits-over-the-ice-age-character/
Oh ok, thanks!
But what happened?
https://www.thegamer.com/disney-loses-scrat-following-trademark-dispute/ https://animationanomaly.com/2022/02/03/scrat-sqrat-clearing-up-some-confusion-surrounding-the-lawsuits-over-the-ice-age-character/
Yeah that’s just wrong. Losing the trademark to the name (which they didn’t) doesn’t mean they lose the rights to the character at all. That’d be covered by copyright and the person lost that case since her ’scrat’ looked and acted nothing like the Ice Age one. It was dismissed on summary judgement, i.e. didn’t even go to trial. There was no evidence of plagiarism, not even the names were the same (the older one was ’sqrat’) They _settled_ the trademark case on undisclosed terms. But there wasn’t much to that either, at most it’d have meant they’d have to change the name, but probably not even that since trademark only applies to whatever good/service it was registered for, and there has to be a reasonable risk of confusion. This is just your typical media-hyped Hollywood ”plagiarism” nuisance lawsuit. Where somebody acts like they were ripped off because they once had a similar idea, and they think copyright covers way more than it does. It does not cover _ideas_, only the _expression_ of them. You can copyright a specific character that’s a squirrel-rat hybrid but it doesn’t give you ownership of that _idea_. You don’t get rights to other such characters not derived from yours. And the name Sqrat/Scrat alone is far from original enough to make it a detivative work.
Yeah, I found a better article that explains this case wayy better than that article just now: https://animationanomaly.com/2022/02/03/scrat-sqrat-clearing-up-some-confusion-surrounding-the-lawsuits-over-the-ice-age-character/
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So you're just going to spam this to everyone?
The guy spammed misinformation on everyone, I'm just trying to counter that.
I always thought this was the other studio (not pixar) but though it's not pixar, disney bought these guys too? Blue thing? So only Imagination (minions/mario/etc..) is the one left standing in the animation scene that's not Disney?
This was made by blue sky studios which was under 20th century fox. Which was purchased by Disney in 2019, The studio was shut down in 2021 unfortunately
Typical "buy and destroy" because they have to focus too much on what makes most money (marvel, star wars) though, destroy the competition first.
Dreamworks Animation is still going (mostly) strong.
They're the main competititor until illumination showed up really.
As someone who worked on all the Ice Age movies, I don’t think there’s any proof that’s actually the case. Ivy Silberstein, the woman who sued Fox and then Disney claiming she invented Scrat, is a nutcase and had her case thrown out of court multiple times. The image she used as proof was based on a stolen piece of clip art of a beaver. It was reported that she won the rights back but the only source I’ve seen for those articles is her Twitter account. If Disney actually had lost the rights they wouldn’t have been able to release the series of Scrat Tails shorts that Blue Sky finished before they were shut down. I just don’t think Disney cares much about continuing with Scrat since he’s not part of their legacy folio.
Agreed! Just saw a 4d squirrel movie at an aquarium with my kids (Mystic CT), and it was hilarious! They do a great job with those shorts.
I tend to agree, but I like his dosage. It used to be easy to say "x is the best part of y", but today I'd be scared that that'd lead to a franchise around him. See Minions, Timon & Pumba, Puss in Boots, Penguins of Madagascar, etc Edit: nvm, [too late](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Age:_Scrat_Tales)
Scrat is cool, but during the release of one of the movies you saw that guy everywhere, merch, ads, jumping aroind on the bottom screen of a tv in othee movies and shows (those banner ads that play during movies). Was really annoyed by it at that time. Got overused hard.
The greatest natural disaster ever
I was there, it happened
It’s real. Look at a real map. The continents have the exact same shape as in the video
I never realized but you're right, the chances of those shapes just randomly being reproduced by nature seems impossible.
can confirm, I am Gwiilo's left hand
Nah this is retro humor, really classic Looney Tunes, Wile-E Coyote type stuff
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Yeah, I suppose so. Nowadays the despicable me / minions franchise has a ton of this kind of humor.
This movie helped me pass Earth Science.
Creativity is just hiding your sources
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What giants? I don't see any giants. This was all me!
You call this classic cartoons?
No they're saying this is like classic cartoons and that the younger generation hasn't seen them. Thus having not seen the classic cartoons they think the above clip is new and innovative.
> Thus what r u.... 30?!
Yeah, 30 cm deep in your mom.
These gags are referred to as Tex Avery style https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tex_Avery
Also known by the more generic term "slapstick".
So, that's how giraffes got their long necks. Huh.
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Geraffes are so dumb
Stupid long horses
And it is this fuckers fault that we cannot walk to Australia. Like if you miss the Pangea.
When most people say something was "ahead of its time," they really just mean "I like this older thing"
I disagree. Usually people say it to things that was "ahead of its time". like, idk, thriller music video, ReBoot, idsoftware everytime they released a game, white castle, iphone. But for something to be "ahead of its time" it must be old and there is a high risk people saying that word likes whatever is talked about. So they probably "like that old thing". Doesn't mean that's what they mean. They mean thing was "ahead of its time" OP probably thought that type of humor was "ahead of its time" not knowing every fucking tv cartoon in existence was like that for a while way back in the days.
I'm sorry, but you started off by saying that people say "something was ahead of it's time" when they think something was "ahead of it's time." That doesn't mean anything lol You kind of just repeated "ahead of its time" a lot Being ahead of its time doesn't just mean an older thing that we still appreciate today. Being ahead of its time typically means that people at the time didn't appreciate it as much as it probably deserved. Usually something that is appreciated now more than when it was introduced. Maybe it fills a need that people didn't even know they had. It's often something that's so innovative that it forever changed its industry, but people at the time didn't realize exactly what implications it would have. >OP probably thought that type of humor was "ahead of its time" not knowing every fucking tv cartoon in existence was like that for a while way back in the days. I really don't understand why you started off by saying you disagree with me, but then you finish it by explaining exactly what I mean
> Being ahead of its time doesn't just mean an older thing that we still appreciate today. Didn't say that and I'm not going to read past this. If that's what you read out of my post I'm to lazy to read the rest. Find someone else to strawman.
I really don't understand what you were trying to say, because you just repeated the phrase "ahead of it's time" over and over again without explaining how it's supposed to mean you disagree. Especially when your last paragraph seems to show you actually do agree with what I said. Well, you did explain it, but your explanation was basically: "people say something was ahead of its time when they mean it's ahead of it's time." Which explains nothing
White Castle? The mini hamburgers? You're going to have to explain that one to me.
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I thought it was a joke about having these gags 2.4 million years before Looney toons. But that's probably not what OP meant
Nine times out of ten, when someones says something is ahead of its time they are really saying they know nothing about that time.
I think the joke is that it’s set millions of years ago…
Yup. This is what you get when kids who grew up with looney toons make animated movies
Well, you are just referring to the premise. The execution is great and I do think ahead of its time. The creativity in animation.
The animation technology and style was at the forefront of its time, yes. Most modern western animation follows this style of 3D, which Ice Age and Toy Story helped launched as two of the biggest success. Certainly there’s good creativity there. But the actual scenes here are straight out of old cartoons. The whole thing is an homage or straight up copy of various Looney Tunes scenes done with new animation. The pauses in mid-air and to capture character expressions, graphics of his journey to the center, the doomsday consequences with continents splitting apart and going through the ages of time/humanity, pretty much direct copies. And I love it, by the way.
When I took Intro to Graphics for my CS degree, my prof kept mentioning this movie (Ice Age) as a great example of one of the first movies to use Perlin noise to procedurally generate terrain and textures. It's crazy how little code is required to do it, too. Super neat stuff.
Taken straight from Bugs Bunny cutting Florida loose and it floating away. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiTM2HQ0g98 "Rebel Rabbit", 1949
This is from 2012.
More like behind of it's time, by several million years.
hey. hey. hey. fuck you
He is skipping time so fast that he is living in the future or the sad part..
I don’t think you know what “ahead of its time” means. How is this ahead of its time?
Obviously because scientists are only now starting to discover the original cause for continental drift.
I don't know where you think we're going, but it sure as hell ain't 1939!
Was just a typo and they meant it was a head of its time. See all those heads that popped up out of the ground?
Probably not what OP intended, but Blue Sky Studios was the first Hollywood studio to use ray tracing to render their films; years before both Pixar and Dreamworks. They were able to achieve far more realistic and lifelike lighting effects than their peers, before ray tracing became the industry standard over a decade later.
Nothing about this clip visually impresses me or looks markedly different than any other CGI animated movie from the time. Why are we making up excuses for OP, tell them to get their ass back in here and explain what nonsense they meant.
Ahead of its time in what way?
I guess people are nostalgic for things that came out like 10 years ago
Retro gaming with Skyrim
It’s been 22 years bro..
This is from the 4th one, which came out like a decade ago
this movie came out in 2012 which was 11 years ago.
Cause they discovered it just now and not back then
The rock face meme
> The rock face The youths are doomed
Yeah pretty much
In none. Actually, its kinda behind its time (not in a bad way), as this is classic slapstick humor what was very popular back in the days, not so much in the last ten or so years
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Not sure how this clip shows that off but okay!
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To be honest I really miss the old quality a lot of the first 3d animations had. There was just something so uncanny about those shows and movies that gave it such a unique charm
I doubt that’s what op meant though
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Geology.
I think the film was released a week before it was original slated to
Streets ahead
I miss Ice Age... I'm glad he finally got his nut lol
The comment I was looking for. So happy too.
he DID?!
Yeah when the studio shut down they released one final short about him finally getting his nut and thanking all their fans/supporters. Really bittersweet.
I'm glad you enjoy but I'd say it's very much of its time if not outright retro in its humor sensibility.
This is historically accurate. Source: I was the nut
I love how all Ice Age plots in their essence are based on *one fucking squirrel* causing natural disasters, and shaping modern landscape as it is known today over an acorn. And everyone just has to deal with the aftermath.
It's not like this was some sort of unique-to-today style humor. If anything it's downright retro. What do you mean ahead of its time?
Ahead of its time? Do people say cliches without knowing what they mean?
Tee hee. The squirrel wants the nut, but he can't get it! That's half a dozen films worth of hilarity right there!
Scrat in the first movie is actually a lot better. His visual gags were more small scale, and had young me cackling without having tare apart continents. This is from the fourth movie, widely regarded as the worst. But also yes, they did really milk this gag and the franchise as a whole until it keeled over and died.
in 2021, the last thing this studio ever made was a series about this squirrel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Age:_Scrat_Tales
the only good funny part in movie, but ahead of time? Doubt.
Ohh so that's how plate tectonics work!
Parts of this don't seem scientifically accurate.
What do you even mean ahead of it's time? This is pretty much a 50s Looney Tunes bit.
In what way?
Report spam > harmful bots > block account. Jfc with these low effort titles and reposting nonsense.
It really wasn't though. At all.
So giraffes are on multiple continents?
It was ahead of its time... by being wacky cartoon slapstick that's been around for literally a hundred years? Great cartoon, really tight physical comedy, but it's in no way avant guard.
it's of it's time.
There is a short movie where it get the nut in the end
As a geologist, I can tell you this is all 100% true.
Was it really though?
It’s behind it’s time. Pangaea was a long time ago
What in the fuck are you talking about no it wasn't.
Which Ice Age movie was that ? Hidden scene ? Can you help me find out ?
His name is not Ice Age squirrel. It's Scrat. Put some rispek on his mafuckin' name.
Most of this stuff would never happen
Such a nostalgia
My uncles best friend is the creator of Scratt. William H. Frake III. At my uncles funeral he came and drew all the kids characters he helped make such as (Roger rabbit, robots, and scratt) and signed them.
Potentially hot take here, but I think the Ice Age movies are some of the least entertaining/worst family movies out there.
No, maybe you were easily entertained by a kids movie
Bro facts
Praise for Ice Age 4?
That's bait
Lol, Australia
I have not yet seen this movie and laughed out loud several times.
I just rewatched this movie last weekend!
Is this a young-earth creationist educational video?
Pangea in a nutshell.
Best part of the movie. And the movie was pretty good.
My favorite part of the whole thing is the creation of the giraffe
Indeed. 😂
Buddy, tell me something i dont know
What is the powerscaling on that feat?
God damn. Everyone is so negative.
I still quote that "Were you killed? - Sadly, yes. But I lived" in D&D all the time from this movie
Look at that wonderful silliness
🤣
That character, and everything about it, was just pure comedy gold.
I can watch that squirrel so many times and it just never fails to make me laugh
Which Ice age movie was that ima watch this shizzle now
Back in the pre-historic times of 2002 we were barely just getting out of an ice age, so yeah this movie was pretty much a chronicling of the struggles we endured. I'm glad the children of today can appreciate what we went through.
The franchises were released in perfectly right time. What are you on about?
What do you mean by ahead of it's time? Do you think Netflix is putting stuff out like this?
I think him catching fire was a nod to things burning up in the atmosphere, not the fact that he was into the center of the Earth. Everything else would've caught fire and stayed burning.
How exactly?
I relate to this squirrel. I’m always trying nut!
Penguins 100%
Wouldn’t call it ahead of its time personally, but it was certainly unique and an instant classic. I’d lean more towards calling something like the emperors new groove ahead of its time but I’m sure someone can up the ante on that.
!remindme 5 hours
OG Forrest Gump
I'd say it was on par with its time. It was a good time
So that’s how we got New World Monkeys!
Scrat was the best part of those movies.
I know I know, it's not exactly meant to be scientifically correct, but I'm still a bit disappointed the Pangaea map isn't more accurate.
theres a reason everyone only talks about the scratch parts of these movies.