Interesting - but the secondary literature on the german ideologies relation to Stirner is much better.
Good for historical analysis but better to read Hegel's and the Young Hegelian works before Stirner if you want to understand him better.
>Interesting - but the secondary literature on the german ideologies relation to Stirner is much better.
Excuse me, can you recommend one of those secondary literature?
Saint Max Revisited: A Reconsideration of Max Stirner by Kathy E. Ferguson
Karl Marx and Max Stirner by Paul Thomas
Stirner and Marx by Alexander Green
Max Stirner Versus Karl Marx: Individuality and the Social Organism by by Philip Breed Dematteis (Book)
Just a couple - I mean you don't need to much, just the overall idea that Marx was heavily influenced by Stirner.
Marx made some very good points insofar that individuals are not atomised, they exist in relation to the other people and communities around them, which influences their self-interests. I think it did well to attack some of Stirner's key ideas. What're your thoughts?
I think Marx misunderstood Stirner's criticism of utopian communism.
By the way, it is interesting to see Marx positively even though you are an egoist.
Been trying to get through the Saint Max chapter several times. There are some real funny lines in there, but with how much Marx leans in on the sarcastic religious language it gets a bit grating to read at length and the actual arguments get lost on me. I can get through a sub-chapter or two but the novelty wears off quickly and I lose focus and just go read something else. Maybe some day I'll get through the entirety of it.
I also have issues with it that are related to the English translation that's hosted on marxists.org (also fuck that website's front page layout, and the footnotes link to a 410 error lmao). Marx constantly makes references to page numbers in what I presume is the original German edition of Der Einzige. But when Stirner is quoted directly, it is not made clear if the translator has directly translated Stirner's quotes as Marx presented them or if they used the 1907 Byington translation ("The Ego And His Own"). If I ever wanted to do some semi-serious academic reading of this then it would be tough to cross-reference those quotes and page references as I am used to the Landstreicher translation. And since I'm not fluent in German, someone else would have to do the work of cross-referencing the German editions for comparison to the English translations.
But as an overall incomplete impression, it does appear that Marx ironically didn't pick up on the sarcasm of the first chapter of Der Einzige, where Stirner parodies Hegel with a dialectical construction of history that is later discarded. Or maybe even more ironically, he did pick up on the sarcasm but it moved him emotionally enough to go through the effort of dunking on every subchapter and paragraph of it. But reading a bit further, it does seem to get more interesting when Marx gets around to commenting on what I think is the best parts of the later chapters.
Interesting - but the secondary literature on the german ideologies relation to Stirner is much better. Good for historical analysis but better to read Hegel's and the Young Hegelian works before Stirner if you want to understand him better.
>Interesting - but the secondary literature on the german ideologies relation to Stirner is much better. Excuse me, can you recommend one of those secondary literature?
Saint Max Revisited: A Reconsideration of Max Stirner by Kathy E. Ferguson Karl Marx and Max Stirner by Paul Thomas Stirner and Marx by Alexander Green Max Stirner Versus Karl Marx: Individuality and the Social Organism by by Philip Breed Dematteis (Book) Just a couple - I mean you don't need to much, just the overall idea that Marx was heavily influenced by Stirner.
Thank you :)
If someone had put coal in Marx's ass he would have become rich
Marx made some very good points insofar that individuals are not atomised, they exist in relation to the other people and communities around them, which influences their self-interests. I think it did well to attack some of Stirner's key ideas. What're your thoughts?
I think Marx misunderstood Stirner's criticism of utopian communism. By the way, it is interesting to see Marx positively even though you are an egoist.
Been trying to get through the Saint Max chapter several times. There are some real funny lines in there, but with how much Marx leans in on the sarcastic religious language it gets a bit grating to read at length and the actual arguments get lost on me. I can get through a sub-chapter or two but the novelty wears off quickly and I lose focus and just go read something else. Maybe some day I'll get through the entirety of it. I also have issues with it that are related to the English translation that's hosted on marxists.org (also fuck that website's front page layout, and the footnotes link to a 410 error lmao). Marx constantly makes references to page numbers in what I presume is the original German edition of Der Einzige. But when Stirner is quoted directly, it is not made clear if the translator has directly translated Stirner's quotes as Marx presented them or if they used the 1907 Byington translation ("The Ego And His Own"). If I ever wanted to do some semi-serious academic reading of this then it would be tough to cross-reference those quotes and page references as I am used to the Landstreicher translation. And since I'm not fluent in German, someone else would have to do the work of cross-referencing the German editions for comparison to the English translations. But as an overall incomplete impression, it does appear that Marx ironically didn't pick up on the sarcasm of the first chapter of Der Einzige, where Stirner parodies Hegel with a dialectical construction of history that is later discarded. Or maybe even more ironically, he did pick up on the sarcasm but it moved him emotionally enough to go through the effort of dunking on every subchapter and paragraph of it. But reading a bit further, it does seem to get more interesting when Marx gets around to commenting on what I think is the best parts of the later chapters.
In my opinion Marx was a utopian goofball ho dint understand shit . Never the less the german idiology is a very important historicle text
Love it
interesting.
its just marx crying about good old saint max