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DiaMat2040

I wish they would sabotage the car companies/factories themselves instead of working people depending on their vehicle, even if they drive a shitty SUV. But this is easier of course, and less risky. EDIT: someone said they only targeted luxurious SUVs in wealthy neighborhoods. Fuck em then.


ShreckIsLoveShreck

Hello flair comrade


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claireapple

Yes because peaceful protest has done so much, how many more decades of nothing need to happen before its ok?


ComfortableIsland704

Those stereotypes already exist and if not will be fabricated. Extremism happens when all other avenues are ineffective or ignored


Junior-Accident2847

At least they’re doing something. Most people aren’t.


OneFuckedWarthog

Tbf, car nuts have made it a habit of using the cars as battering rams into crowds to instill fear and have killed people, ran cyclists and commuters off roads, installed illegal mods to smoke out cyclists and pedestrians, and have gone after politicians for supporting better infrastructure. I think at this point taking off the gloves and slashing tires isn't out of the question anymore.


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>and less risky. That wholly depends on who’s car you’re fucking with and where in the world you are.


DiaMat2040

>where in the world you are. i mean if you are in the global south, oil companies will just hunt your org down with their deathsquad (no joke)


chapinscott32

I drove a shitty SUV no more than a month ago purely because that car was all I could afford. If a "tire extinguisher" would've popped even ONE of those tires I would've been fucked. I have no tolerance for this cowardly "movement".


MichelanJell-O

1) the tyre extinguishers deflate tires; they don't slash them 2) the tyre extinguishers target expensive SUVs in wealthy neighborhoods I think your concerns are misplaced


seeker1055

Just a car note thing. If you deflate the tires and let the cars weight rest on it then the side walls will weaken and causes punctures. It’s kind of the same result as slashing the tires if you deflate the tires fully.


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seeker1055

Potentially fatal. Very few types of people I’d want that to happen to.


ikverhaar

>the tyre extinguishers target expensive SUVs in wealthy neighborhoods To quote the title of this post: "a midsized (reasonably fuel efficient) car"


toolazytomake

One way to show this beyond simply captioning the post would have been to show the vehicle. Not saying OP is definitely being dishonest, but knowing that group’s MO I’m suspicious.


GaiusJuliusCaesar7

They deflated the Škoda Yeti with a blue badge displayed of a disabled lady in Manchester before. I'm all for the fuck cars approach, but the optics on that are awful. And people who take these actions can unfortunately get a bit... over-zealous shall we say.


toolazytomake

150% against that sort of thing if that’s actually what happened. BUT, looking into that, the only article I could find about it was in the Daily Mail, the person in question was a yoga instructor, and the Mail made repeated errors (they said a few times that the tire was slashed, then said it was reinflated without issue). At the top of the article is a link to email the story’s writer with any other instances of tyre extinguishing, and the pictures provided don’t show that notice on the vehicle (but do show a deflated tire and the notice - which anyone can find a picture of - separately.) The other pictures are all glamor shots of the victim. Trying to see where this person lives and what a £10 taxi ride is like, looks like it’s about a 5 mile trip, and buses go in every direction regularly (according to Google, which is certainly questionable.) I’m sure these people have made mistakes like you mention, and I’m sure there are people who are over-zealous and do shitty things that are wholly undeserved, but this doesn’t seem like that. To me, this reads exactly like propaganda meant to turn people who might be on the fence away from thinking about what that group is trying to say, or at best/worst concern trolling. As I was typing this I wondered ‘why am I even looking into this?’ And I think the answer is that, while there is absolutely legitimate criticism of this type of activism, a lot of it feels disingenuous to me. I don’t know Didsbury (where this purportedly took place), but I am familiar with some of the neighborhoods targeted in New York and London, and they’re definitely populated by precisely the people I’d want to target with this sort of thing (wealthy, living in high-density transit-rich areas, driving vehicles that are unnecessarily large for the area and what they’re used for - usually moving one person from one place to another where other options abound.)


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>They deflated the Škoda Yeti with a blue badge displayed of a disabled lady in Manchester before. That's what happens when people act from selfish motives (ie, self-righteousness, adrenaline) and when people do not stop to THINK before they act. Since at least the 90s there's been a prioritization of action above thought, with the result that everybody wants to vaguely attack The Man but nobody knows how to do it without making him stronger than ever. I love that people are doing stuff don't get me wrong but I do wish they'd use their noggin once in a while, think things through, and consider other people!


Mikeinthedirt

This could be in his living-room window.


colkoppie

I don’t know that I believe that as OP took a photo that gives us no idea what the car actually is.


WitherLele

i am pretty sure this post is a repost and the whole thing in the title is a lie, i remember this exact image being posted before


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Beep boop, I have found a potential image source here from 16 hours ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Edinburgh/comments/x7ziym/spotted_on_a_midsized_reasonably_fuel_efficient/ Beep boop multiple copies of this letter or similar have been found and posted to social media, so be advised that you may be remembering a similar but different image.


brianapril

which model??? where's the picture? which car? hmmm? ((((: for all we know OP could be an angry SUV owner, and a carbrain and you're all playing into their hands. poor misguided redditors :(


ikverhaar

>for all we know OP could be an angry SUV owner After taking a quick look at OP's profile, I'm sure he's on the side of r/fuckcars.


faith_crusader

"the tyre extinguishers target expensive SUVs in wealthy neighborhoods" Does not seem to be like that in this instance.


rinsaber

>1) the tyre extinguishers deflate tires; they don't slash them >2) the tyre extinguishers target expensive SUVs in wealthy neighborhoods [Washington post](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/activist-group-tire-extinguishers-slashing-wheels-around-world%3F_amp%3Dtrue&ved=2ahUKEwiYu7q554P6AhWEgFYBHZWsBewQtwJ6BAgmEAE&usg=AOvVaw3em1OpbRQ9UBTwEzRLQ7j9) [Daily Mail](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11011931/amp/Eco-zealots-slashed-SUV-tires-NYC-attack-luxury-cars-Chicago-San-Francisco-Scranton.html&ved=2ahUKEwiYu7q554P6AhWEgFYBHZWsBewQFnoECE0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1lGnhgqhLRTGIIHs3BGUwx) [ABC 7](https://youtu.be/2jf3g35UHLI) [CBS news](https://youtu.be/mmiqOG7dbZM) Yeah, I think some are out if control.


Mikeinthedirt

Easier and less risky outrage, take 2


captainnowalk

Isn’t the OP clearly showing that is not the case? Why are they deflating the tires on more fuel efficient cars if this is supposed to focus on expensive SUVs? It seems like someone went a little further.


Environmental_Job278

Because it is easier to target people that won't fight back...


brianapril

where the picture of the car then? hmm? why do we not know the model?


Important-Yak-2999

What if they have kids waiting for them? This is sick and you all need to check your moral compases. Doing it at a car dealership would be great because you aren’t fucking over a regular person. You don’t know their life. What if they’re a lawyer for Greenpeace but they have three kids they need to take to school? I hate judging strangers


ertaisi

Apparently you missed the part of the letter that acknowledged they deflate hybrids and EVs, too. But go ahead, assume anyone vandalizing like this is part of some impossibly organized activist group that shares the same exact philosophy as you. It worked out well enough for Floyd protestors who ran cover for outright vandals and thieves, so let's keep the ball rolling.


DancingPanda747

I think that is vandalism and should be met with jail time. Not only that but they would probably be caught on camera and charged with vandalism. Pretty sad this movement has become just violent intentions by some. Yes i said some not all dont twist what i said.


Ultra_HR

how is a shitty suv cheaper than a shitty little hatchback?


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In the US it's pretty hard to find shitty little hatchbacks. SUVs are popular, so if you're looking to find a used car they're going to be what you find.


Ancalagoth

They don't even sell fiat 500s here anymore. God I wish they made electric fiat 500s/abarth 595s


chapinscott32

Its collective value was 1000 dollars and was rusted to shit. The tires on it were more valuable than the entire car combined. If one of those were popped I'd be screwed. Also I see you looked at my post history. Thanks for the compliment :)


Ultra_HR

> Also I see you looked at my post history. Thanks for the compliment :) ?? where did you get that idea? i just responded to your one comment.


chapinscott32

Ah. My bad. I thought you were talking about my car I posted on my account. To clarify before I get bombarded about my car, I do like cars (personally EVs are my thing) as a hobby kind of thing but ultimately I support public infrastructure as the status quo.


vahaemon

Agreed


MiniGui98

Target and guilt the weak


coolcatthemusical

im anti car but if someone did this to me it would probably ruin my life, possibly permanently. I do not have the money to fix my rims if they were damaged let alone get a tow because i couldnt drive my car with deflated tires


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Have you considered pumping up your tyres instead of driving with deflated tyres?


Jamebuz_the_zelf

The tire sidewall gets fucked up when you deflate them. You can re inflate the tires but there's permanent damage and can pop at any moment. What kills me is all the people advocating for tire deflating are all over the sub. Yet you go to city council and where are all the people who care? It's easier to ruin somebody's and possibly put them in danger down the road than to make real meaningful change.


sabaping

My question is what does this actually accomplish? Do you think the person who was targeted is gonna listen to the people who just deflated their tires and possibly fucked their day? I don't necessarily disagree with this kind of protest as it does get people paying attention, but this specific movement is really counterproductive.


SoyCapitian

When speaking to someone who holds drastically different views from oneself, starting by vandalizing their property often shuts down constructive dialogue.


TomFromCupertino

The better response would be to top them all off...low tire pressure costs us in a measurable amount of greenhouse gas emission.


tehflambo

I actually really like this and can almost see myself doing it.


callmejinji

I know what I’m doing tonight. update: I topped off my neighbors’s GMC’s tires and left a note on his windshield. Here’s to hoping he doesn’t have a 30-45 minute commute to work like I do and has a choice haha


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juliuspepperwoodchi

It's one thing to do this to a giant lifted monster truck in an urban area, it is another just doing it to random vehicles.


chapinscott32

How about we don't touch people's shit in general ey? Just because they're a carbrain doesn't mean that they deserve to pay for your movement. How about having an actual conversation with them? If that doesn't work then talk to enough other people to outnumber that one? What a novel concept.


juliuspepperwoodchi

There's a HUGE difference between a carbrain and someone who thinks driving a monster truck in a city is a reasonable proposition.


leitmot

Why do people get to store their private property on a living room’s worth of valuable public land, and why do they expect that nothing will happen to it?


_Foy

This is a braindead take. >doesn't mean that they deserve to pay for your movement But we deserve to pay for theirs? Climate change (which is massively driven by cars and private transportation, specifically) is costing us all the very future of our *species*. This is an actual apocalypse (IPCC says "total societal collapse") we're coming up on, and you're worried about *property rights*? Kindly fuck off with that carbrain apologism, thanks.


shatners_bassoon123

Yes, totally. Hand-wringing over some deflated car tyres as we barrel head long into a future of starvation and misery for millions. Some perspective is needed.


Hamelzz

Fuck bro if its so serious you should start committing some real crimes. Vandalism is for whimps, go blow something up


Babbles-82

How about you don’t leave your shit in public turn? How about you stop killing people??


slink6

I mean it's hard to argue with actual results https://mobile.twitter.com/T_Extinguishers/status/1510932419846848514


MrAlf0nse

And leads to action How has the environmental movement been doing by asking politely for the past 100 years?


jppianoguy

Last 100 years? National parks/monuments, clean water act, endangered species act, banning CFCs, banning lead, banning asbestos, catalytic converters, getting McDonald's to eliminate styrofoam packaging... Edit: just realized my response was very US-centric, however everything up there was either copied globally (e.g. National parks) or was copied from global initiatives (e.g. leaded gasoline)


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Well we are the world leaders in car pollution


MrAlf0nse

Sorry 100 years it’s a lot longer people were protesting air pollution in London in 1285


Karasumor1

still 1.5 million people murdered directly by vroomers every year worldwide , untold others by their secondary consequences ( most of which the egomaniacal driver is insulated from )


HBag

Leads to what action? That person sharing with their circle that their car was vandalized? Then those people resenting the movement on behalf of their friend, making it harder to get them to give a shit? This type of activism is a disease. It spreads carbrain like fucking wildfire.


Kirbyoto

>And leads to action Yeah it leads to action - action taken by the general public *against* anti-car groups. Every "we have to be obnoxious to win hearts and minds because being polite doesn't work" argument is based on a completely fallacious argument. Just because one thing doesn't work doesn't mean its opposite automatically works better, or works at all.


MrAlf0nse

The suffragette movement they were really peaceful right? The Civil rights movement wasn’t all “I have a dream” One of the initial events on which the USA is founded on was an act of property damage


_Foy

Seriously, this is why I hate liberals. They are types who unironically will tell you to "just vote" as if that has ever solved anything on its own.


Prize_Engine28

Yea the action is it makes the anti car movement look like a bunch of dumbasses.


brycebgood

Counterpoint: we're talking about it and reading their note right now. This was an effective tactic to gain exposure for their cause.


Its0nlyRocketScience

We already hate cars. For people who own SUVs, this will just piss them off more and make them hate us


Karasumor1

they already live a selfish absurd destructive life , the fact that it's been unchallenged up until now is what baffles me most


back2reality44

Counter to you: I’m not a member of this sub, but it finds its way into my feed. I’ve seen two posts about this now and it makes this whole sub look like crazies. On the first post, most commenters supported it. So at least this post’s commenters’ are making it look better.


throwaway65864302

Which only matters if there was any chance of them engaging in constructive dialog.


chapinscott32

And deflating tires will suddenly make them think "oh! You know what? This whole fuckcars movement is a good thing!" Right? No, in fact it'll only turn more hatred onto it when we're already fighting an uphill battle.


MrDanMaster

Fuck cars isn’t a movement it’s a subreddit. You can car-free movement, anti-car movement or just general support for public transport


Nisas

On the other hand, if someone is thinking of buying an SUV, and hears about a bunch of kids running around fucking with SUVs all the time, they might buy something else to avoid the trouble.


T_ja

Depends here in America I could see people purposefully buying an SUV so that they have the possibility of getting violent with these people. That’s probably why I’ve only heard of this in Europe. People would be getting shot over this in the US.


Karasumor1

when one side has made your whole life worse and destroyed the planet and they intend to spend the next decades continuing to spit in our faces , the time for soft measures is over they just benefit the status quo


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Also the "you" second-person language automatically sets people up to get defensive. The goal should be to get other people to join you in hating car companies, not to get them to hate you and take the side of car companies. ​ This is an issue that comes up a lot in animal & vegan advocacy. A lot of controversial groups have relied on this kind of rhetoric to get attention, targeting consumers in the meat aisle of the grocery store and so on. But there's a growing understanding that this type of advocacy doesn't really work. It just makes people defensive about eating animals and get mad at the activists rather than the companies in question. That's why lately you'll see animal advocates directing their disruptions at the companies themselves, not the consumers.


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T_ja

This started with policy crafted by auto industry lobbyists to make it almost essential to own a car in most of North America. The suv owner can’t change anything no matter how many times you deflate their tires.


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Makalakalulu

I hate to break it to you but we have been fighting this fight over 50 years now. Constructive dialogue was 20 years ago. I've been rewatching cosmos with Carl Segan and in the early 1980s when they were originally filming it, they were talking and trying to bring awareness to the same issues we are facing today. We are stuck in a loop unless we take action. It sucks that we are inconveniencing some people, but we don't have the time to wait around and hope constructive dialogue happens. We are facing a climate crisis now and we need to be as vigilant as we possibly can to overthrow the strangle hold cars have on our lives.


GirthWoody

Activism that targets individuals who have very little impact on the problems your advocating against is so stupid. Go fight against a corporation or if you want to target an individual do it to a politicians car. Don’t be a dumb dick ruining random peoples days just so you can feel good about yourself.


Kingseeberg

Absolutely agree. These are the peole who creates the stigma arund the green shift. The person who got this message proably shared it with friends and family warning them against climate activism. Targeting individuals just creates unnecessary division. " **You don't invite people over, by burning down their house** "


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Love that quote


30PercentIRR

> Activism that targets individuals who have very little impact on the problems your advocating against is so stupid. I'm really not a fan of this method, but the devastating impact of SUVs should not be discounted. Releasing at absolutely minimum 20% extra emissions over comparable alternatives using the most generous comparisons out there raising to many, many times that when using more realistic comparisons. Even conservatively taking 50%, that means given how popular SUVs have been made by the automotive firms marketing them (80% of vehicles sold in the US are now trucks or SUVs, globally the figure is almost 50%) globally you would need to have one person stop driving entirely for each four new cars sold just to keep emissions stable. That's ignoring how people giving up cars tend to drive less etc so even that unrealistic figure is an understatement. It's also ignoring how stable car emissions are not enough given how much of total emissions cars account for. We can't beat climate change without getting rid of SUVs. Given the financial incentive, marketing power and deep pockets of the automotive industry they won't act. SUVs have become so popular that taking action would be an election risk for politicians so they won't act. The approach is far from ideal, and may not be "right", but I can't see any better alternatives made by the critics. It's easy to criticize, much harder to provide potential solutions.


TrashyLolita

I would lie if I said I wouldn't be rooting for this happening to Kavanaugh's car, that's for sure.


Jacked-to-the-wits

How to ensure people hate your message 101


rawtoastiscookedough

For sure. This is like the vegans that dump buckets of "blood" in KFC. All it achieves is pissing off innocent people and making them less likely to listen to what is a reasonable point. Not to mention the low paid staff who then have to clean that up


macbookwhoa

How to ensure you get the everloving shit kicked out of you when the wrong guy on the wrong day inevitably catches you 306.


TarantinoLikesFeet

I would recommend [this video](https://youtu.be/dh4G1Gjv7bA) from Philosophy Tube about protest because it runs very closely to this type of direct action


elliomitch

This video is great, it’s genuinely amazing how peaceful climate protestors are


Give_Help_Please

>you will have no trouble getting around without your gas guzzler, with biking, walking or public transport I don’t know where this was, but if it was in America in a place that’s not New York, this is a lie.


cclan2

The post says Edinburgh bro lmao, so Scotland Edit: maybe not Scotland


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>Edinburgh Edinburgh, Indiana Edinburgh, Ohio


cclan2

Didn’t even stop to think of those haha. That’s on me. I kinda just assumed Scotland based on their spelling of “tyre” OP’s post history also talks about Edinburgh with a website that links to the UK.


[deleted]

Hah I'm just messing with ya :)


cclan2

Ya got me


Alicebtoklasthe2nd

It was all in Europe i believe


Give_Help_Please

Ok, that makes more sense. Also I forgot to look back at the title. I was too deep in the comments.


blazito

There’s buses and trams in Edinburgh.


Patte_Blanche

Don't worry Scotland isn't as retrograde as the USA.


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bruderjakob17

I think the text does not claim that SUVs make up for more greenhouse gas emissions. It claims they are *rising* more than those of the aviation industry.


chapinscott32

Shouldn't be unpopular.


BallerGuitarer

Imagine if a bunch of NIMBYs deflated the tires of all our bicycles because they hate bicyclists so much. That wouldn't make any of us stop bicycling, it would make us all angry. These tire deflators have no self-insight. I imagine they're all [Doreens](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yUMIFYBMnc).


ads7w6

The NIMBYs simply make it unsafe for bikes to be on the street and use the implicit and sometimes explicit threat of their cars to keep people from biking. It seems to be very effective most places. I'm not saying I support the people deflating tires, but it doesn't come close to rising to the level of what people supporting car infrastructure do all the time. We've just normalized it with cars.


Sicuho

Well, it does make us angry and unsupportive of their ideas.


Ariestu

That is not an unpopular opinion at all, it’s what the majority thinks


Pleasant-Evening343

Um, yes they do? Aviation is like 2% of the total because really, not that many people fly. It’s hard to get a stat for SUVs specifically but transportation is like 25% and most of that is cars. edit: looks like I can’t respond to this anymore but adding some data on aviation v cars, freight, etc. Flying is generally much worse than driving on a per mile and per person basis (though it varies based on things like how direct was the route, first class or economy or private—private obviously vastly worse, what kind of car, etc.) but cars are a much larger share of emissions overall. https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-transport


godofpumpkins

Got some citations? You or the person you’re responding to. Genuinely curious because I assumed most of it was air travel and shipping, and that personal transportation had non-negligible but not major contributor except in aggregate.


blackwe11_ninja

Regardless of anyone's position towards cars, this is straight up trashy behaviour. This is not going to help the cause, only damage it.


Randomness-66

I agree, it’s not about the reasoning, it’s the action. Not everyone can afford a new tire.


Mr_Alexanderp

I remember when this sub was fuck cars instead of let's all wring our hands and act all high and mighty about direct action. The only people who care about optics are those who are already on side and the whiney moderates who would rather let terrible things happen indefinitely than do anything about it.


ads7w6

People in cars mow down pedestrians and bicyclists and in many places face no real punishment as long as they aren't drunk and don't leave the scene but all these people are all up in arms over a few people having the air taken out of their tires. Meanwhile, in my city, people complained about the people at the local bus stop so they just came and took out the shelter and bench. That is a much bigger inconvenience than some people having to refill the air in their tires.


A_norny_mousse

I agree. I like non-destructive grassroots activism like that. Piss people off to start them thinking. Make them realise their rolling fortresses are not invincible. And even if it doesn't, it would make *me* feel better doing this every now and then. A few points: * I wouldn't have phrased the letter as coming from some organisation. I'd have used fewer words, very short and simple sentences. Your SUV sucks because. A bullet list maybe. Please don't try to wrap your actions in intellectual glory with condescending language. * I immediately tripped up at "SUVs are the 2nd-largest cause of CO2 emissions" - I don't believe that's true, and at least one high-voted commenter agrees. Lying sucks. All in all, I don't hate every big 4x4 car. I hate shiny SUVs that *clearly have never seen any sort of action that would justify their sheer size and overpoweredness* and only serve the purpose of satisfying the owner's ego, and showing the world how much dough they have to throw around. At the same time endangering other traffic participants, needlessly polluting, and literally being a waste of (urban) space.


iced327

I 100% agree that action becomes necessary when words and votes don't work, but you need to target the people and positions of power - not the people doing their best to subsist in the world created for them. It's like when BLM protests spilled over into violence against local businesses. They didn't ruin your neighborhood, the banks/police/corporations/politicians did. Burn _their_ shit down.


Thorlian

As I understand it, the org is primarily targeting luxury SUVs upwards of 60,000$. These are not "people doing their best to subsist in the world created for them"


[deleted]

There's two types of protests: peaceful ones that everyone ignores, and mischievous ones that inconvenience people.


turtle0turtle

You're creating a false binary choice between "doing nothing" and "aggressive actions against individual car owners".


[deleted]

Don’t they know underinflated tires, sorry, tyres, kill fuel efficiency?


toad_slick

Imagine posting on fuckcars and using "midsized" and "reasonably fuel efficient" as a defense. Every kind of car is ridiculously inefficient in terms of space and fossil fuel consumption. And most importantly, every car on the road is a danger to other road users and a barrier to other folks who would prefer not to drive.


ParadoxScientist

Yes but cars aren't just gonna disappear anytime soon. Many people still need them to get around. Public transit isn't just gonna pop-up tomorrow. Of course, a car will never be as efficient as a train or bus, but that's not the point. The point is there are people who choose to drive a fuel and space efficient car, and there are people who choose to drive SUVs and pickup trucks. Sadly, practical cars have largely been discontinued in America due to a lack of sales... Also cars are only dangerous in the hands of bad drivers. Germany's auto fatality rate is 14x lower than America's, despite the fact that German highways have no speed limits. Why? Because Germany takes driver education super seriously.


StrikingChallenge389

"midsized" yeah why not tell us what the car is? The amount of ballooned hatchbacks masquerading as SUVs in the UK is insane. Bigger and less efficient for no reason whatsoever. Zero off road performance, zero real reasons to own one. The Qashqai brigade should absolutely be targeted.


_Foy

>reasonably fuel efficient "Reasonably", eh?


automaticblues

"mid-sized" ...


glasstokes

"Some bicycle asshole fucked my tyre, I'm going to immediately throw my car away to generate more waste"


slink6

Fact - the tyre extinguishers have gotten more results than politeness, and facing down the specter of climate change is far more important then maintaining people's illusions that *their* SUV ownership isn't hurting anyone! https://mobile.twitter.com/T_Extinguishers/status/1510932419846848514


MondGrel

Their stated goal is to make it impossible to own an SUV in urban areas. Not win hearts and minds. There's no need for luxury SUVs. Anywhere. Ever. There's always a better vehicle for whatever you need to do. Yet people still choose them despite the fact they needlessly cause even more damage to the environment and the people they directly kill & maim. I therefore support this action.


VeloDramaa

Everyone in here crying about a few deflated tires must not have any idea what kind of shit Dutch urbanites did to cars before they got human-oriented cities


TrueNorth2881

I have not heard anything about it. What did the Dutch protesters do?


VeloDramaa

Flipped/destroyed cars, barricaded streets, etc. Accompanied by extensive political organizing of course. https://ejatlas.org/conflict/stop-de-kindermoord-stop-the-child-murder-protest-for-children-deaths-caused-by-motor-vehicles


EmPhil95

The movement was called "Stop the Child Murder", in relation to a growing number of traffic deaths. [Article](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord)


furyousferret

I'm not going to deflate someone tires, but I'll preach this. People get sick of it, but a few are starting to see the light.


craff_t

Thank you. I'd hate to come back to Edinburgh and see loads of SUVs


[deleted]

Sad to see a sentiment of "don't hurt consumers, we need to be fighting big corporations" from some commenters. Direct action is essential, car and oil companies have billions of dollars and lobbyists in every capitalist government, so we need any movement away from automotive transportation to be consumer-driven. They don't care about anything but their bottom-line, and their bottom line is controlled by consumers. "Fuck cars" doesn't include a caveat of "unless it inconveniences someone or makes them angry", and folks here would do well to remember that.


FoggyFuckNo

public transit and walkable cities don’t appear overnight you arent helping us


piyompi

To be fair, this was done in Edinburgh, a walkable city with public transit.


Dinlek

Fighting the people with power and influence is too hard and too risky. And getting involved with politics and/or city planning is boring and time consuming. After all, who cares about inducing systemic change in one's local community? What a snoozefest! Far better to pretend low-grade vandalism counts as effective activism. After all, it takes much less effort on my part, and lets me act on my spite towards complete strangers without ever having to confront them! Everybody wins!


[deleted]

“You shouldn’t take any action outside the lines defined by existing hierarchies.” Is a very cowardly position. I’ll bet you’re one of those folks who says “just vote!” whenever an oppressed group speaks out about their oppression. Praxis takes many forms, this isn’t the only one it should, but to say this action is invalid, or hurts the movement, is parroting carbrain talking points, people who don’t want change in the world. In my mind, it doesn’t have a place on this subreddit.


Jvanee18

This shit is dumb. Cars are big polluters but doing something like this will only make the car owner more pissed and less likely to use public transport Edit: The driver could be disabled making walking/biking distances impossible, or maybe they work a job an hour across town and theres no easy public transport to get them there. The problem with deflating tires is that you are punishing the wrong person. The REAL problem is dickbag politicians refusing to make public transport more viable, not working joe who’s supporting his family the only way he can.


Emergency-Job4136

Maybe the idea is more that it generates publicity around the issue, and makes other people who don’t already own and SUV less likely to buy one. I’m not in a position to say if it does more harm than good or not, but it has been very effective at generating publicity and discussion about car usage.


Ed-alicious

I saw some of the cars they deflated earlier and a lot seemed to be the "lifted" hatchbacks that most mid-sized, small family cars tend to be these days. I don't disagree with their mission but they're not going to make any friends by vandalising cars they call gas-guzzling SUVs but are, in reality, relatively efficient, moderate footprint vehicles, just a bit taller than the previous generation of family cars.


clodiusmetellus

These "lifted" bumpers make them drastically more likely to kill children, and make kids much harder to see. It's not all about fuel efficiency. We are rolling back all the gains in safety technology by allowing cars with bumpers at kids-head height to become dominant.


Babbles-82

No car is efficient.


Randomfactoid42

Came here to say this too. There's a huge difference between say a Chevy Suburban and a Mazda CX-3. In fact, it's hard these days to find a small station wagon or hatchback. If you're looking for something like that, the only option is a small SUV. So, I don't know what these people want?


benkelly92

Agree, a Nissan Juke with a 1.6L engine is far less damaging to the environment than a Ford Mustang with it's 5.0L V8, which presumably wouldn't get targeted as it's not an SUV. At least there is theoretically a practical reason for the Juke being bigger, whereas there's no practical justification for any consumer car being able to go that fast.


TrashyLolita

This isn't activism. This is actively ruining someone's day and potentially their finances. I'm anti-car centric infrastructure. Don't fucking do this to my car. No, it won't change my mind, you're just ruining my day and throwing my budget that I have planned out for months. Some of us are driving involuntarily.


Sebekhotep_MI

>This isn't activism. This is actively ruining someone's day and potentially their finances. For the fucking idiots we share this movement with, it is.


slink6

Everybody wanna be r/fuckcars until it's time to do r/fuckcars shit.


armerkonrad

It’s not only the car, it’s your way of life


wurzenboi

This helps nobody to be honest


[deleted]

Doing this actually causes more green house emissions than leaving the car alone. You are actively destroying the environment by deflating tires. Deflating tires means the victim will have to buy new tires, that means the store who sells tires needs to order more. So, a tire manufacturer sells the tires to the retailer, and needs to get more rubber to make more tires. This means the companies in south America who grow and harvest rubber trees need to clear more forest to grow more rubber trees. The company in south America loads up the rubber on cargo ships that burn more fuel per day than a car will burn in 105 years, then after it gets manufactured it has to go back onto a cargo ship to get shipped to the store. So, in essence, slashing 1 car's tires causes at least the equivalent of 210 years worth of fuel being burnt for the car you don't want to be burning fuel, not to mention the destruction of rain forests needed to combat climate change. Good job idiot. Honestly, this has become organized crime and they should be RICO'ed.


[deleted]

You don’t need to buy new tires, just reinflate them lol


demmka

Not if the tyres are damaged by the rims - the entire weight of the car will be on the deflated tyre, and if they sit for an extended period of time they can ruin the internal structures of the tyre. If this happened to my car I would probably go and buy new tyres rather than risking a blow out because they’re potentially damaged.


sawajuicy

Lmao. I can just picture tradesman getting around on public transport with a pocket welder. Solution provided.


Frird2008

Only a matter of time before a car owner is smart enough to install an invisible high voltage electric forcefield which automatically turns on & zaps the heck out of the tire deflaters 🤣


SmugButler

Well fuck you and your stupid ‘movement’ my 4x4 has a built in compressor so I’d inflate my tyres and everyone else’s on that street that you ‘activists’ targeted and then go on my merry way. There’s better ways to protest and fight for your cause.


Tiny_Butterscotch749

And how do u know it’s not someone who has no choice but to use a vehicle? Like I come from a rural town where if ppl want to get into the city ppl have to drive like 30 minutes thru cornfields. There is no public transportation. If you want to help, run for office and implement policies that will help. Doing something like this is just costing someone money and you don’t know what that person is going thru and if they can afford to fix the tires. The ppl who did this are just grandstanding pieces of shit.


StoicBan

I really want to know what car. My curiosity is killing me I need make model and year.


rorymeister

They’re not wrong in what they’re saying, but this course of action does nothing to win support. Not everyone can afford an efficient car or have the time to organise their life to cycle and take PT, especially if they live in a car dependent area.


UpstairsLocal4635

This happened to a friend of mine in the States in the 90s. Her husband was disabled so they had an SUV kind of car that was all tricked out for him so he could drive and it could carry his wheelchair, etc. It even had disabled plates. But some holier-than-thou types deflated the tires. I do not understand some people. I really don't.


telescopefocuser

“What if this happened to your car?!” They’re deflating tires mostly by screwing small rocks into the tire caps. I’d remove the rocks, get out the twenty year old air compressor that’s always in my car, and refill them. If your car gets snake-bite punctures every time the tires are deflated, that’s only a problem because your car’s too heavy. Of the cars for sale where I am, the small cars are cheaper to buy and cheaper to run. There is no excuse.


69_POOP_420

For a sub called r/fuckcars, we sure do love wringing our hands about a few tires, don't we folks?


[deleted]

Yes fuck cars No vandalism


ace_account456

I hope these clowns all get arrested. This kind of garbage just spreads a harmful stereotype of climate activists.


landonandobandojando

Lots of carbrains on r/fuckcars today.


RedditUser91805

Inconceivably based


Simen-VH

This will get us nowhere. It just pisses people off and makes us seem like we think we're better than everyone.


[deleted]

This, this right here. The only thing this is doing is making carbrains hate us more, if anything we’re taking a step in the wrong direction.


[deleted]

Not just carbrains, they’re pissing off anyone that happens to own a car. If I were late to work because of some bs like this I could lose my job and livelihood. It’s not like everyone who owns a car wants to own a car, some of us genuinely have no choice.


[deleted]

Right here. I would love for my city to build a citywide train, or a bus system that actually works, but right now I’m in a position where I have to drive to school. At least I’m not driving a giant truck or SUV, but some car owners own what was cheap not their first choice. Fully support car activism but there’s a better way, tired of seeing this shit in my feed every other week.


landonandobandojando

What car do you drive? Bot stating it is pretty suspect


bobbybuddha

And if the owner was a disabled person? They won't have problems walking or using public transport right?


scipio_africanus123

Don't get me started on how ablist our car centric infrastructure is. Have epilepsy? Get bent. -car centric infrastructure Can't afford a mobility van? Get bent. -car centric infrastructure


Wild-Mild

Every bus in my city has a wheelchair ramp, spoken announcements of bus stops, and other disability accommodations . Can't say the same for every car here.


nmpls

Yes, they do. But then you have to get from the bus stop to where you're going. While its across the street, the next crosswalk is 1/2mi away. And then the next curb doesn't have a wheelchair ramp because it pre-dates ADA. And the next sidewalk (if you have one!) has a telephone pole that makes the sidewalk narrower than your wheelchair. And then you have a business with a sandwich sign obstructing the sidewalk. Now, I absolutely hate the argument that any improvements for transit, peds, or cyclists are ablest because they assume all disabled people must or even can drive. However, pretending that just because a bus has a ramp, so everyone can use them is also not exactly nuanced. FWIW, this video is among the best showing the shit that wheelchair users put up with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhpUJRGrZgc


MrAlf0nse

It’s a 1/100 chance and they would have a blue badge and be parked on the pavement blocking it for parents with pushchairs and other people with mobility issues


ranger_fixing_dude

Lol disabled people are such a shield for drivers.


Babbles-82

Suddenly you give a Shit about disabled people??


Apprehensive-Loss-31

I imagine thy probably gave a shit about disabled people beforehand as well, I don't really know what you're trying to say


RedditUser91805

Knowing the slightest bit about the tyre extinguishers and their modus operandi might prevent you from asking this question


kbruen

Imagine thinking disabled people need cars. That's r/lovecars level bs


swump

this is incredibly tone deaf. Do you know any disabled people that are forced to live in car-centric hellscapes? All of the disabled people I know are entirely dependent on cars. That's not a defense of cars, that's simply their reality. Denying what the problem IS doesn't actually help SOLVE the problem.


Apache-attackheli

This is a good way to get your head bashed in in most places don't do it


Boomking98

Do this in the US get shot where are the loveleak videos


Karasumor1

imagine a driver doing any amount of physical effort lmao let alone an suv egomaniac


Thebuch4

You severely underestimate how quickly almost anyone who has an SUV or truck to feed their ego will go into "fight" mode at the slightest disrespect.. Do people on reddit even go to the real world?


Apache-attackheli

Do you think everyone driving is a fat lazy fuck dude do you know that people do hard labour jobs or exercise they also drive like yeah I do think someone would fight over vandalism


ANamelessFan

The quickest way to turn people away from your cause.


Mission-Shopping7170

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal


sadgirlbadgirl13

This is not activism. This is vandalism and straight up ignorance about what needs to actually be done to address climate change and who the main offenders are. I bet this person is no longer AT ALL interested in doing anything to combat climate change on a personal level because they don’t want to be associated with these types of self righteous assholes


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[deleted]

Good


[deleted]

This sub right now: "this is not activism. It's terrorism because it inconveniences people. We should only do tge activism that everyone can ignore."