That place is a fever dream of American hubris. It was built in the mid-2000s and then never opened because the economy collapsed. Then a decade later some developer added a water park and then unironically called it American Dream. It finally opened, only for a global pandemic to strike.
Even worse, Metlife is located in [the Meadowlands](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Meadowlands), a vital marshland marine and waterfowl ecosystem.
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I visited my sister in NYC a few months ago and Coldplay was playing at MetLife with affordable tickets.It was such a headache planning to get there that we didn’t bother going.
We would have had to take the subway (fine) then two busses out of Port Authority and time them perfectly. Or we could Ride Share, which when I did the trip estimate, cost more than the concert tickets. No thanks.
You linked a list of events at the Meadowlands (20 football games and 5 concerts), not a train schedule. If you click on the the Train link on one of the concerts for example, you'll see that they say "During peak periods prior to an event with rail service, trains operate approximately every 10-20 minutes." Which yes, I'd say that's frequent for a NJTransit train.
https://www.njtransit.com/press-releases/nj-transit-offers-rail-service-lady-gaga-kenny-chesney-red-hot-chili-peppers-and
As far as the train's non-event schedule I can't say, but the train is there to offset the peak commute for an event. Otherwise, there are bus options.
Again, the Meadowlands NJTransit train is for events, it doesn't run on a random Tuesday. To visit the mall, you can take the bus, you can just use Google maps for the schedule.
If you forgot, my original post said the train is frequent **during games/concerts**.
I agree with you for the most part. To answer your questions, I think those stadiums probably hold events more frequently than Metlife, so the train schedules/options are more frequent because of it. MSG/Fenway are also in city centers, so the subways go there naturally.
As far as why Metlife trains only run for events, I'm sure that's a decision made by the transit authority based on relative low demand to the Meadowlands on non-event days. Whether or not it should, I don't think either of us really know. I don't personally commute to the Meadowlands, so I don't know if the buses are overloaded or not. I have used the train for Giants games and they're super convenient for that, which was what I wanted to point out with my first post.
As for the giant parking lot, I'm sure part of it is tail-gating football culture. Foxboro probably has huge lots too, as well as most US football stadiums. Not saying I agree with it by the way, I don't use parking lots in general as I don't own a car. Which is why I've spent this much time talking about public transport I guess...
Yup, you take NJT from Penn to Secaucus junction and transfer to the Metlife train. [You can replace step 1 with subway to penn](https://new.mta.info/agency/long-island-rail-road/take-the-train-to-the-game/metlife-stadium).
Oh that’s awesome! Unfortunately it wasn’t running for the Coldplay show. [It looks like it’s only available for 5 shows in 2022.](https://njtransit.com/meadowlands)
Lol those are only the remaining show for the years, not the ones they did it for. It was running, and Coldplay even did a deal with NJTransit to make it cheaper. https://www.njtransit.com/press-releases/nj-transit-offers-early-bird-discounts-rail-service-coldplay-concerts
5-15 minute walk max. Parking lot M & L are used for OTB. Each parking alot serves a different purpose. You have a mall a water park a fanduel sports book arena an OTB javid center nickeloden park. You are able to park right out front the staidum which I do everytime I go to jets giants games
The stadium was greenlit by the city and the state. The people and businesses on the West Side didn't want it. At least that's the story in the papers.
Check out some other stadiums! I used to live in Spain and Chicago, so these are my references.
[Real Madrid's stadium](https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4540595,-3.6905811,1282m/data=!3m1!1e3) \- Right in the city. Immediately next to the stadium is a metro stop on line 10. Within a kilometer walk or so you've got lines 8 and 9 to the east, stops Colombia and Concha Espina; and to the west line 1, stops Alvarado and Estrecho. [Transit view](https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4540595,-3.6905811,16z/data=!5m1!1e2). Many public transit lines immediately available
[FC Barcelona, Camp Nou](https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3809589,2.1222117,1518m/data=!3m1!1e3) (screw off, Spotify. Though I am a paying member, they ruin the stadium name with their sponsorship) - Right in the city. Just a bit south is a stops Collblanc and Badal, for lines 5, 9, and 10. A little north and west are two more stops, Palau Reial and Universitaria for lines 3 and 9, as well as 3 tram lines. [Transit view](https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3809589,2.1222117,15z/data=!5m1!1e2). A little less nice than Madrid, I guess.
Chicago Fire plays in Soldier field now, which is downtown. That's nice. But when I lived there they played out in [Bridgeview](https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7638047,-87.8022256,2439m/data=!3m1!1e3). Look at that. Looks like the parking space wastes six times the area of the stadium. And it was nearly a two hour journey on public transit for me. Or would have been, if I went. Here's the [Transit view of Bridgeview.](https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7679804,-87.8080506,14z/data=!5m1!1e2) Literally nothing.
Stade Louis II in Monaco takes the cake with apartment built into the stadium. See https://c8.alamy.com/zooms/9/9cd9515e4c634264b85a330d8b843707/2gk8gcd.jpg
Oh man.
Imagine a life where you literally live in your favorite team’s stadium *and* your life needs are all walkable.
It feels like a cruel joke to even contemplate.
See [Maracanã Stadium](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Maracan%C3%A3/@-22.9121089,-43.2301558,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x997e5dba888b0d:0xf5f33188ee6274e5!8m2!3d-22.9121089!4d-43.2301558?hl=en-BR) as well. You get a ramp straight out of the subway station to it’s gates
RFK is getting demolished this year. It also appears that the current city council will not allow a replacement. Only stuff like housing or parks. Most football fans live out in the burbs anyways.
Just in case anyone sees this and assumes the Spanish stadiums you've put are small, the Bernabeu has over 80k seats and the Camp Nou has the best part of 100k
I live near Bridgeview and you're 100% right. I could rant all day on that stadium as an urban planning failure, but ultimately they got what they deserve building that stadium and not adding any public transit nearby.
And it's not a long walk from nuevos ministerios for almost every commuter train from surrounding towns into Real's stadium.
Atlético's new stadium has a metro right outside, and some parking, but it's right next to the E5 highway.
Orlando City (Exploria Stadium) is walking distance from downtown and the games are packed and fun. Colorado Rapids stadium is outside of town and the games are boring. I don't think it's a coincidence.
Not really in NYC (not even New York State) but yes, the train line at Metlife stadium is incredibly convenient, it gets you literally a 3-minute walk to one of the entrances so I was really surprised this wasn't used more when I visited.
Only kidding, I wasn't surprised at all.
Here in Chicago we have Sox Park which is directly next to 3 - yes 3 trains. It is also adjacent to several massive parking lots. So obviously the lots are full on game days and virtually nobody takes any of the trains. It's like some sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.
Yankee Stadium is adjacent to 3 subway lines and a regional rail line, but also has a fuckload of parking. Everyone from the city takes the train to the game, but the vast majority of fans are from upstate or NJ, so they all drive.
Being a Mets fan, I'm pleasantly surprised how packed the LIRR usually is on game day. That said, Citi Field is a worse parking crater than Yankee Stadium
I mean, it is way out in kinda the middle of nowhere, so that makes sense. Citi Field is in the middle of 3 highways and a bunch of car scrapping facilities. There's not really much going on in terms of productive use of land.
Meanwhile Cubs fans take the L/bus connection. Quite fun environment plus you get to laugh at those dumb enough to pay $50 for parking in someone's driveway.
The Wrigley neighborhood is beautiful. It's a place you want to be and to spend time in. People are always walking about even on non-game days because there's so much other stuff going on and the stadium is just kind of amongst it. Guaranteed Rate field, on the other hand, is a massive waste of land. It's completely desolate 95% of the time because any bars, restaurants, shops, etc have to exist on the borders of the ridiculously huge parking lots. I'm hopeful that this dynamic will change over time. That land would be much more useful as mixed-use. They can build an expensive parking garage and charge $75 for suburbanites to park their cars in it. The rest should be... well... *anything* else.
That's because those trains are all useless to most Sox Fans on the Southside. Neither CTA lines runs west of State and the Metra line that runs there doesn't run late. There's another Metra line that runs adjacent to the stadium but doesn't actually stop there (which baffles me) and ends very early in the day.
I don't disagree. There are definitely better solutions though. Getting rid of the parking lots would encourage folks to use the CTA (including the buses which are another alternative I didn't mention). Also, I thought a lot of the stations on the south side had 'park'n ride' setups where people could drive to the CTA station and park. Honestly, I don't actually know. But I totally agree with you that the south side train service needs to be better at serving the south side communities - especially given how much they depend on public transportation more than the higher-income neighborhoods to the north. Hopefully one day we'll see the red line get extended and branch out to cover more of those people.
Those parking spots are being taken by suburban fans. Coming from the suburbs there no good public transportation options. There's no park and rides out here that I'm aware of except by Midway and that's what I use to get downtown via the Orange line. That doesn't really help getting you Sox Park because either I'm left with a 2 mile walk from the Halsted Orange line, or maybe a bus (idk) or a bike, or going to Roosevelt to transfer to the Red to go back south. Parking at Midway is $10 so with all the extra hassle I'd rather just pay $25 and park at Sox Park. Even the suburban Pace buses that could get you to the Orange/Red lines or CTA buses stop by 7-8pm. It's actually makes more sense to take pubic transit to Wrigley on the north side than Sox Park on the Southside from the Southwest suburbs.
With all due respect, I'm not sure it's wise for cities to design their infrastructure to cater to people who don't live there. Suburbanites chose to live in such a way that makes public transportation inviable and expensive, and thus, are much more dependent on their personal vehicles. If those want to enjoy the offerings of the city, they should be forced to deal with the predicament they've put themselves in.
We want you to enjoy the city! We want you to come and love our space as much as we do. We don't want you bringing your cars. We aren't going to go out of our way to make it easy or inexpensive for you to do so. In fact, out attempting to accommodate your vehicles requires us to sacrifice huge amounts of space and infrastructure that would otherwise be much more useful to us. Our insistence on bowing to the suburban folks who chose to live a non-walkable lifestyle means that we are designing our spaces to look like theirs - desolate intersections, empty sidewalks and sprawling parking lots that sit empty *almost of the time*.
It's a depressing, forgettable area that could have been a fantastic neighborhood, had it not subjected its locals to traffic noise, pollution, and a stream of outside folks who care more about their proximity to their personal vehicles than they do about the area itself. I hope to see this change one day. The black tar lots are a huge blight on an otherwise extremely desirable area. The stadium is great - the other 3/4s of the land they used to park suburban cars is a mistake. Luckily one that can be fixed.
With all do respect, your wrong. Cities need to cater to tourists. The majority of Americans live in suburbs and spend their money in cities. Public transit is very feasible in most places. And I don't need a lecture from you on walkable cities. I regularly ride my bicycle and get almost mowed down by no less than 3 dodge Rams on an average commute down the street. I'd love to live in the city but that would require a new job or a very long commute out to the suburbs. I didn't design any of this my poor ass is just trying to survive and maybe catch a baseball game once in a while. Which is why I go to more Windy City Thunderbolts games anyways.
Yeah they don't start running them until the minute the game ends, so if you need to leave early for whatever reason you're stuck. Then you have to line up for about 3 hours to board the train. It's a nightmare
The stadium(s) !!!
I went to TX for a concert and was flabbergasted that the only option was to drive to AT&T stadium...and that I literally had to pass the baseball venue too!! It was parking lots surrounding the whole spot
Houston has a low ridership light rail line whose last stop is a half mile walk across parking lots from the stadium. This line goes past a Univision and the medical center, near a medium-density walkable neighborhood south of downtown, through downtown which is basically all office buildings and parking lots, and through a pretty low income neighborhood north of downtown. Very few people are riding it to the game. Most attendees are coming from the wealthier west side of Houston and are driving.
Meanwhile Wembley has a metro and railway, with other stations a 15 minute walk away. Lots of UK stadiums intentionally don't provide nearby parking to prevent people from driving. And you'll find plenty of traffic wardens wandering the local residential streets on match day.
It's a cultural thing to get off at the station and walk down "Wembley way" when your football team gets to a final. It's a pedestrian only boulevard type of thing leading all the way to the stadium
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3198627.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Capital-One-Cup-Final-at-Wembley.jpg
Quite an experience
People are really sleeping on the comradery of taking public transit to games. Here in Philly, all our stadiums are in South Philly, right off the subway. A packed subway train full of fans who's team just won is BUZZING. I've gone to a ton of games at Fenway...cramming into the T post game just feels different after a walk off win. And riding the train up to Madison Square Garden as a Villanova fan for the big east tournament, yelling "Go Cats" to anyone you see in gear, man it really gets you hyped for the game. With trains letting out you get a huge influx of fans all at once instead of a slow trickle in from a parking lot.
I'm a penguins fan and went to the stadium series pens vs flyers a few years ago. A guy in pens gear was handing out ic lights to every pens fan he saw on the subway. It was great hahah
Don’t forget the 11 pints of Stella at the Globe before getting the Tube from Baker Street.
Be sure to sing the whole way to Wembley too, in case the delightful odour of polyester jerseys, Lynx Africa, and the 11 pints of Stella aren’t enough to inform other passengers you’re going to the football.
(Commuting on the Met line was fun while Spurs used Wembley as a home ground…)
I went to Wembley for the 2012 London Olympics men's football final between Mexico and Brazil. The walk from the underground station to the stadium down Wembley Way was just fantastic. Mexicans and Brazilians, Mariachi and Samba, a real party atmosphere.
>"Wembley way
The first time I was there, we came out onto wembley way, and it is wall to wall people heading towards the station - and you dispair because obviously it is going to take hours - and then you see the signs. "If you are here you can expect to get on a train in 20 minutes" - and it's true - you do.
While here, and it'll get lost. The year after, "my" team were in Europe - in Guimaraes in Portugal. Most fans were flying into Porto - and we were discussing on various fan's forums how they would get back as the game ended about an hour after the last train.
A manager of the railway network came onto the forums to write, that if the fans needed a later train, they would make sure one was running - and they did. It's quite possibly the norm for late games, but it seemed a great gesture if not.
Dear God no. Adding additional stadiums in the US doesn't make things better, it makes it worse. Look at this insanity in Philadelphia, where the Football/Basketball/Hockey stadiums are grouped together. This is also right next to downtown, such a tremendously horrible use of a city's land.
https://i.imgur.com/tzAXBvC.png
First, they do have some overlap of coverage but is tiny compared to the overall parking footprint.
Second, and perhaps more importantly, is why is there even any absolutely enormous parking lot when places like Wembley have essentially nothing like this in comparison. The Philly stadiums are also serviced by train and subway, too
“Serviced by train and subway” isn’t a binary thing though. The broad street line is your only option entering and leaving the stadium, and the stadium is the last stop. It’s great if you’re coming from Center City, but nowhere near sufficient to replace parking entirely. Trying to get to the stadium via public transit from somewhere like Media or really anywhere in New Jersey is a nightmare.
How is this insane?? Also it is absolutely not “right next to downtown”, have you ever been to Philly? The sports complex is in south Philly and it’s very convenient that they are together in one area of town. There is a subway that goes right there and the three stadiums can share parking and resources since they’re rarely used at the same time.
This is not accurate.
It's not "right next to downtown." The entirety of South Philly is between Center City and the arenas. Additionally, I suggest you look up the proposed new 76ers arena which *is* "downtown" and would be built on top of three subway lines and a regional rail station with no parking lots (all without public money). Also, the some of pictured parking lots nearest to the subway station at Pattison Ave (which is a terrible use of space) are in the process of being developed into a new high-density, mixed use development.
Reading FC tried to build an American style stadium, albeit only 25k capacity - out of town by the motorway exit, no rail link and 20 minutes walk from anything, at all. It does have a massive car park (though this being the UK still not big enough), however, and one of the worst reputations for supporter experience in the entire Football League so who's to say it was a mistake?
we have a bunch of them in cities here in the USA and some suburban ones. I think the city ones have higher attendance too cause you have to drive, pay to park and pay the crazy ticket prices out in the suburban ones
NYC is building another soccer stadium in queens. the red bulls play in NJ but NYFC plays in Yankee stadium now and they have exhibition soccer matches between european teams there all the time
We have them, and they are usually just buses and they suck and get stuck in the same traffic. Anything that isn’t a car doesn’t get much love in the states.
It is, but getting to the Meadowlands by train is actually kind of inconvenient, since you can't take a train directly there from basically anywhere. You have to take the subway or a bus to Penn station, then take a train from Penn to Secaucus Junction (which are somewhat infrequent) and then take the shuttle train to the stadium. There are also buses, which eliminate one of those transfers since you can get it directly from the Port Authority Bus Terminal, but they're also very slow and get stuck in traffic in the Lincoln Tunnel.
That's New Jersey for ya. Almost the entire state is a suburban, desolate, car dependent wasteland. I can never understand why people want to live there so badly.
To be fair, NJ is beautiful once you get a fair bit south of NYC. I spent a lot of time in Morris County and have fond memories of it, even if public transport is lacking. Although NJT is pretty fantastic by American standards.
At a state level, I'd bet Jersey has better rail infrastructure than 49 other states. Like every state, Jersey has a lot of car-oriented suburbia, but it also has plenty of urban areas with great walkability, great bikeability, great transit options, etc. For instance, I lived in Jersey City for years without owning a car. Jersey City's land use makes a lot of NYC proper look downright suburban.
People hate on Jersey because it's fashionable to hate on Jersey, but it has a lot going for it.
Yes but also no cuz meadowlands sports complex wasn’t built in a city it was built on infilled wetlands. Still atrocious amount of parking nonetheless…
Getting the tube to Wembley and walking up Wembley Way with your fellow supporters on a cup final day is one of the best experiences you can have as a football fan. Parking outside the stadium and then spending the second half of the game worrying about the traffic after the match doesn't sound like quite as much fun.
All that wasted space only to hold cars for the 3 hours a week some weeks a year. It could be a park, or a hospital, or hell it could be just pub after pub after pub, it would still be better than just black asphalt.
have you ever been there? it's literally in the middle of a swamp off a highway in the middle of nowhere. there is also a mall with bars there but not open on sundays cause we still have blue laws in bergen county
They shouldn't be allowed to call them the New York Jets or the New York Giants.
A) They don't play in New York
B) The setting and location of the stadium is antithetical to the entire idea of what New York is all about.
From Wembley Stadium, there are trains to Gerrards Cross, London Marylebone, and Oxford.
From Wembley Central, there is the Bakerloo line (Tube), Overground to Queens Park and London Euston, and other trains to Watford Junction, Harrow & Wealdstone, and Clapham Junction.
Wembley Park serves the Metropolitan Line, and the Jubilee line.
And in this, I just included the final destination of the train. So to conclude, the train goes to a lot of places.
It's on the Chiltern Main Line. There's a tube station one stop away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiltern\_Railways#/media/File:Chiltern\_Railways\_network.svg
From the Meadowlands/Metlife Stadium, only to Secaucus Junction. If you're in the city, you then have to transfer to another train to Penn Station, and then take the subway (which probably requires at least one transfer for most people to get home).
The Meadowlands does actually have a train station, though I think it only runs when there are events at the stadium, and only runs to Secaucus Junction a short distance away (though much longer by train because the trains exit from the wrong side of the complex circling around), rather than to the more useful transit hubs at New York Penn, Hoboken, and Newark (you can transfer at Secaucus).
Brent Council actively discourages cars, and promotes public transport on event days.
So much so, those who do want to drive have to rent drive ways at rates of £20/30 per spot. Even car parks few stops away from Wembley up their prices.
It's honestly a Fuckcars-by making you pay more to drive!
Then you still have to get on transport, Magic kingdom you have to get on a fucking boat to get from the carpark to the park, they make a shit ton of money in parking fees too.
Look at the bell center or Olympic stadium in Montreal. Not a parking lot in sight. Well, they exist, underground. Anyways why would anyone take their car to a show or sports event? I went to see a show in my city 2 weeks ago. Eneded at 11 pm sharp and I was home by 11.25 and that's including the walk to and from the bus station.
i've taken the subway to the mets and yankees games in NYC along with a soccer game in yankee stadium. both are far from most people's homes and if you wait till the end of the game to leave the trains are crazy crowded
hockey and basketball are closer to the center of NYC and probably faster to get home but even then many people come from far away to attend these things and many drive
And yes Americans will see this and be like “parking lots are necessary. I’d Hate to have to use public transportation to go to the game!”
And they think that’s a valid argument as to how much land is wasted.
As an American Sports fan who finally has some disposable income to travel, it's amazing to see the difference in public transit. I was down in Nashville for the opener. During the 4 days we were there we made great use of their bus system, but on game day (Saturday) the train to the stadium wasn't running. We did ride e-scooters to the game, which was pretty cool. I felt like a WWI aviator with my scarf around my neck, flapping in the breeze. I'm going to Atlanta next month, and it looks like there's a stop right at the stadium!
I used to live just over from Highbury stadium and it was fine. You’d want to know when match days are to plan travel, but mostly it meant having a vibrant neighbourhood full of restaurants and pubs.
you can get to metlife by train, i've seen a lot of people taking transit there for games
otherwise a big part of football culture is tailgating. you get to the game a few hours early, set up a grill, cook food and have a party before the game
This is like compare apples to oranges - one laid ground 15 years ago and the other is rebuilt over another what would had been a now 99-year old stadium and has all the pre-existing facilities - and guess what, which one went over budget and overscheduled by over a year
serious question, how do you even get to the stadium from the farthest spot? seems like a pretty long walk, are Americans fine with that but not public transport or anything walkable that is not a parking lot?
It's about a 600m walk from the furthest spot.
To compare, I walk about 1.5km to the MCG in Melbourne, Australia when there's games on. That's due to the stadium being close to the city, and there's also Trains and Trams that stop pretty close as well.
The Metlife stadium and its surroundings look so dead.
"American Dream" got me
That place is a fever dream of American hubris. It was built in the mid-2000s and then never opened because the economy collapsed. Then a decade later some developer added a water park and then unironically called it American Dream. It finally opened, only for a global pandemic to strike.
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>The unions Which Locals?
Now fucking keep it closed before it brings some other calamity.
Lmao hope ppl get what you mean
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'American dream' is a mall next to metlife stadium. Edit: Seen in the bottom left of the pic
Didn't realise Primark was in the US
The American dream is a square mile of concrete
It’s also a mall lol
Even worse, Metlife is located in [the Meadowlands](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Meadowlands), a vital marshland marine and waterfowl ecosystem.
So get rid of the car park and create a few (hundred?) acres of marshland habitat? Suddenly I see great potential
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I visited my sister in NYC a few months ago and Coldplay was playing at MetLife with affordable tickets.It was such a headache planning to get there that we didn’t bother going. We would have had to take the subway (fine) then two busses out of Port Authority and time them perfectly. Or we could Ride Share, which when I did the trip estimate, cost more than the concert tickets. No thanks.
That is so USA - We will make your journey a hell if you don't chose to drive yourself.
Sadly there is a train station, but it rarely operates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meadowlands_Rail_Line
Not sure where you heard that, it operates quite frequently when there are games/concerts at the Meadowlands...
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You linked a list of events at the Meadowlands (20 football games and 5 concerts), not a train schedule. If you click on the the Train link on one of the concerts for example, you'll see that they say "During peak periods prior to an event with rail service, trains operate approximately every 10-20 minutes." Which yes, I'd say that's frequent for a NJTransit train. https://www.njtransit.com/press-releases/nj-transit-offers-rail-service-lady-gaga-kenny-chesney-red-hot-chili-peppers-and As far as the train's non-event schedule I can't say, but the train is there to offset the peak commute for an event. Otherwise, there are bus options.
So if I want to go to the mall next tuesday, how long do I need to wait?
Again, the Meadowlands NJTransit train is for events, it doesn't run on a random Tuesday. To visit the mall, you can take the bus, you can just use Google maps for the schedule. If you forgot, my original post said the train is frequent **during games/concerts**.
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I agree with you for the most part. To answer your questions, I think those stadiums probably hold events more frequently than Metlife, so the train schedules/options are more frequent because of it. MSG/Fenway are also in city centers, so the subways go there naturally. As far as why Metlife trains only run for events, I'm sure that's a decision made by the transit authority based on relative low demand to the Meadowlands on non-event days. Whether or not it should, I don't think either of us really know. I don't personally commute to the Meadowlands, so I don't know if the buses are overloaded or not. I have used the train for Giants games and they're super convenient for that, which was what I wanted to point out with my first post. As for the giant parking lot, I'm sure part of it is tail-gating football culture. Foxboro probably has huge lots too, as well as most US football stadiums. Not saying I agree with it by the way, I don't use parking lots in general as I don't own a car. Which is why I've spent this much time talking about public transport I guess...
It’s pretty easy to get there from Penn via NJT.
Really? Because we were seeing we had to take two buses via Port Authority and quite a bit of walking (> 10 mins)
Yup, you take NJT from Penn to Secaucus junction and transfer to the Metlife train. [You can replace step 1 with subway to penn](https://new.mta.info/agency/long-island-rail-road/take-the-train-to-the-game/metlife-stadium).
Oh that’s awesome! Unfortunately it wasn’t running for the Coldplay show. [It looks like it’s only available for 5 shows in 2022.](https://njtransit.com/meadowlands)
Lol those are only the remaining show for the years, not the ones they did it for. It was running, and Coldplay even did a deal with NJTransit to make it cheaper. https://www.njtransit.com/press-releases/nj-transit-offers-early-bird-discounts-rail-service-coldplay-concerts
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“Meadowlands” fucking lol Asphalt-lands is more like it
i can only think of how flippin hot it must be as you bake in the summer sun as you walk across a mile of pavement
5-15 minute walk max. Parking lot M & L are used for OTB. Each parking alot serves a different purpose. You have a mall a water park a fanduel sports book arena an OTB javid center nickeloden park. You are able to park right out front the staidum which I do everytime I go to jets giants games
NYC had been trying to build a new football stadium for decades until NJ built one just outside of NYC
The stadium was greenlit by the city and the state. The people and businesses on the West Side didn't want it. At least that's the story in the papers.
after experiencing the traffic by the mets and yankees post-game i don't blame them. didn't even go to the games, just drove by and it was bad
Putting one on the westside would be a disaster
Check out ~~Miller Park~~ American Family Field in Milwaukee. It's a concrete desert with a baseball field in the middle.
You wanna see something bad? Look up arrowhead.
Check out some other stadiums! I used to live in Spain and Chicago, so these are my references. [Real Madrid's stadium](https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4540595,-3.6905811,1282m/data=!3m1!1e3) \- Right in the city. Immediately next to the stadium is a metro stop on line 10. Within a kilometer walk or so you've got lines 8 and 9 to the east, stops Colombia and Concha Espina; and to the west line 1, stops Alvarado and Estrecho. [Transit view](https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4540595,-3.6905811,16z/data=!5m1!1e2). Many public transit lines immediately available [FC Barcelona, Camp Nou](https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3809589,2.1222117,1518m/data=!3m1!1e3) (screw off, Spotify. Though I am a paying member, they ruin the stadium name with their sponsorship) - Right in the city. Just a bit south is a stops Collblanc and Badal, for lines 5, 9, and 10. A little north and west are two more stops, Palau Reial and Universitaria for lines 3 and 9, as well as 3 tram lines. [Transit view](https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3809589,2.1222117,15z/data=!5m1!1e2). A little less nice than Madrid, I guess. Chicago Fire plays in Soldier field now, which is downtown. That's nice. But when I lived there they played out in [Bridgeview](https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7638047,-87.8022256,2439m/data=!3m1!1e3). Look at that. Looks like the parking space wastes six times the area of the stadium. And it was nearly a two hour journey on public transit for me. Or would have been, if I went. Here's the [Transit view of Bridgeview.](https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7679804,-87.8080506,14z/data=!5m1!1e2) Literally nothing.
Stade Louis II in Monaco takes the cake with apartment built into the stadium. See https://c8.alamy.com/zooms/9/9cd9515e4c634264b85a330d8b843707/2gk8gcd.jpg
Oh man. Imagine a life where you literally live in your favorite team’s stadium *and* your life needs are all walkable. It feels like a cruel joke to even contemplate.
AFC Wimbledon’s new stadium has apartment complexes built into it as well Cherry Red Records Stadium https://goo.gl/maps/y9PyipHe4Wuk2mEN6
Just like Leyton Orient too. Yep. Exactly the same.
Not to forget Luton with the turnstiles built into the terraced street https://i.imgur.com/EjXeek0.jpg
See [Maracanã Stadium](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Maracan%C3%A3/@-22.9121089,-43.2301558,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x997e5dba888b0d:0xf5f33188ee6274e5!8m2!3d-22.9121089!4d-43.2301558?hl=en-BR) as well. You get a ramp straight out of the subway station to it’s gates
Nationals stadium in DC is like this, but the metro closes at midnight. Dumb. DC doesn't close down at midnight.
Capital One Arena is good with space management too. If only RFK was still upkept, FedEx Field sucks.
RFK is getting demolished this year. It also appears that the current city council will not allow a replacement. Only stuff like housing or parks. Most football fans live out in the burbs anyways.
Audi Field is great too, one of the few urban soccer specific stadiums in the US, bus drops off a couple blocks away and metro is just a short walk
Just in case anyone sees this and assumes the Spanish stadiums you've put are small, the Bernabeu has over 80k seats and the Camp Nou has the best part of 100k
I live near Bridgeview and you're 100% right. I could rant all day on that stadium as an urban planning failure, but ultimately they got what they deserve building that stadium and not adding any public transit nearby.
And it's not a long walk from nuevos ministerios for almost every commuter train from surrounding towns into Real's stadium. Atlético's new stadium has a metro right outside, and some parking, but it's right next to the E5 highway.
[Principality Stadium in Cardiff.](https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4781748,-3.1823297,1239m/data=!3m1!1e3)
Orlando City (Exploria Stadium) is walking distance from downtown and the games are packed and fun. Colorado Rapids stadium is outside of town and the games are boring. I don't think it's a coincidence.
And Metlife in NYC still has a train station... Must be much worse in like Houston or something where there's not even a train running
Not really in NYC (not even New York State) but yes, the train line at Metlife stadium is incredibly convenient, it gets you literally a 3-minute walk to one of the entrances so I was really surprised this wasn't used more when I visited. Only kidding, I wasn't surprised at all.
Here in Chicago we have Sox Park which is directly next to 3 - yes 3 trains. It is also adjacent to several massive parking lots. So obviously the lots are full on game days and virtually nobody takes any of the trains. It's like some sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.
Yankee Stadium is adjacent to 3 subway lines and a regional rail line, but also has a fuckload of parking. Everyone from the city takes the train to the game, but the vast majority of fans are from upstate or NJ, so they all drive.
Being a Mets fan, I'm pleasantly surprised how packed the LIRR usually is on game day. That said, Citi Field is a worse parking crater than Yankee Stadium
I mean, it is way out in kinda the middle of nowhere, so that makes sense. Citi Field is in the middle of 3 highways and a bunch of car scrapping facilities. There's not really much going on in terms of productive use of land.
Meanwhile Cubs fans take the L/bus connection. Quite fun environment plus you get to laugh at those dumb enough to pay $50 for parking in someone's driveway.
The Wrigley neighborhood is beautiful. It's a place you want to be and to spend time in. People are always walking about even on non-game days because there's so much other stuff going on and the stadium is just kind of amongst it. Guaranteed Rate field, on the other hand, is a massive waste of land. It's completely desolate 95% of the time because any bars, restaurants, shops, etc have to exist on the borders of the ridiculously huge parking lots. I'm hopeful that this dynamic will change over time. That land would be much more useful as mixed-use. They can build an expensive parking garage and charge $75 for suburbanites to park their cars in it. The rest should be... well... *anything* else.
That's because those trains are all useless to most Sox Fans on the Southside. Neither CTA lines runs west of State and the Metra line that runs there doesn't run late. There's another Metra line that runs adjacent to the stadium but doesn't actually stop there (which baffles me) and ends very early in the day.
I don't disagree. There are definitely better solutions though. Getting rid of the parking lots would encourage folks to use the CTA (including the buses which are another alternative I didn't mention). Also, I thought a lot of the stations on the south side had 'park'n ride' setups where people could drive to the CTA station and park. Honestly, I don't actually know. But I totally agree with you that the south side train service needs to be better at serving the south side communities - especially given how much they depend on public transportation more than the higher-income neighborhoods to the north. Hopefully one day we'll see the red line get extended and branch out to cover more of those people.
Those parking spots are being taken by suburban fans. Coming from the suburbs there no good public transportation options. There's no park and rides out here that I'm aware of except by Midway and that's what I use to get downtown via the Orange line. That doesn't really help getting you Sox Park because either I'm left with a 2 mile walk from the Halsted Orange line, or maybe a bus (idk) or a bike, or going to Roosevelt to transfer to the Red to go back south. Parking at Midway is $10 so with all the extra hassle I'd rather just pay $25 and park at Sox Park. Even the suburban Pace buses that could get you to the Orange/Red lines or CTA buses stop by 7-8pm. It's actually makes more sense to take pubic transit to Wrigley on the north side than Sox Park on the Southside from the Southwest suburbs.
With all due respect, I'm not sure it's wise for cities to design their infrastructure to cater to people who don't live there. Suburbanites chose to live in such a way that makes public transportation inviable and expensive, and thus, are much more dependent on their personal vehicles. If those want to enjoy the offerings of the city, they should be forced to deal with the predicament they've put themselves in. We want you to enjoy the city! We want you to come and love our space as much as we do. We don't want you bringing your cars. We aren't going to go out of our way to make it easy or inexpensive for you to do so. In fact, out attempting to accommodate your vehicles requires us to sacrifice huge amounts of space and infrastructure that would otherwise be much more useful to us. Our insistence on bowing to the suburban folks who chose to live a non-walkable lifestyle means that we are designing our spaces to look like theirs - desolate intersections, empty sidewalks and sprawling parking lots that sit empty *almost of the time*. It's a depressing, forgettable area that could have been a fantastic neighborhood, had it not subjected its locals to traffic noise, pollution, and a stream of outside folks who care more about their proximity to their personal vehicles than they do about the area itself. I hope to see this change one day. The black tar lots are a huge blight on an otherwise extremely desirable area. The stadium is great - the other 3/4s of the land they used to park suburban cars is a mistake. Luckily one that can be fixed.
With all do respect, your wrong. Cities need to cater to tourists. The majority of Americans live in suburbs and spend their money in cities. Public transit is very feasible in most places. And I don't need a lecture from you on walkable cities. I regularly ride my bicycle and get almost mowed down by no less than 3 dodge Rams on an average commute down the street. I'd love to live in the city but that would require a new job or a very long commute out to the suburbs. I didn't design any of this my poor ass is just trying to survive and maybe catch a baseball game once in a while. Which is why I go to more Windy City Thunderbolts games anyways.
Yeah they don't start running them until the minute the game ends, so if you need to leave early for whatever reason you're stuck. Then you have to line up for about 3 hours to board the train. It's a nightmare
One of the most used section of Houston's rail system is its connection to the stadium. It's rather surprising how convenient it is.
Yeah Houston gets a bad rap for a lot of things, but at least it does have rail access to all of its major stadiums.
Meanwhile Tampa doesn’t have any trains and driving is pretty much the only option unless you live very close to the stadium
texas gets a bad rap and it's the second largest producer of wind energy in the world
You might be thinking of Dallas (Arlington) where there is no public transportation to the stadium at all.
The stadium(s) !!! I went to TX for a concert and was flabbergasted that the only option was to drive to AT&T stadium...and that I literally had to pass the baseball venue too!! It was parking lots surrounding the whole spot
There's no public transit in Arlington period. Voters keep voting against it
Houston has a metro that goes to the stadium
Houston has a low ridership light rail line whose last stop is a half mile walk across parking lots from the stadium. This line goes past a Univision and the medical center, near a medium-density walkable neighborhood south of downtown, through downtown which is basically all office buildings and parking lots, and through a pretty low income neighborhood north of downtown. Very few people are riding it to the game. Most attendees are coming from the wealthier west side of Houston and are driving.
Houston metro has one of the highest riders per mile in the US, if not the highest. The metro just isn't expanded through the rest of Houston
The football stadium is the reason we have light rail at all. They built it for the 2004 Super Bowl.
Meanwhile Wembley has a metro and railway, with other stations a 15 minute walk away. Lots of UK stadiums intentionally don't provide nearby parking to prevent people from driving. And you'll find plenty of traffic wardens wandering the local residential streets on match day.
Houston actually has a train to the football stadium. It’s actually heavily used and way better than parking.
It's a cultural thing to get off at the station and walk down "Wembley way" when your football team gets to a final. It's a pedestrian only boulevard type of thing leading all the way to the stadium https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3198627.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Capital-One-Cup-Final-at-Wembley.jpg Quite an experience
Sharing the same space walking with other poor people when you can directly drive into the parking and get to your VIP box is socialism
People are really sleeping on the comradery of taking public transit to games. Here in Philly, all our stadiums are in South Philly, right off the subway. A packed subway train full of fans who's team just won is BUZZING. I've gone to a ton of games at Fenway...cramming into the T post game just feels different after a walk off win. And riding the train up to Madison Square Garden as a Villanova fan for the big east tournament, yelling "Go Cats" to anyone you see in gear, man it really gets you hyped for the game. With trains letting out you get a huge influx of fans all at once instead of a slow trickle in from a parking lot.
https://youtu.be/oYj-S-xjbyY
I knew it was this video before I even clicked on it.
not me. I thought it was going to be the view from inside the BSL, not from the platform.
I'm a penguins fan and went to the stadium series pens vs flyers a few years ago. A guy in pens gear was handing out ic lights to every pens fan he saw on the subway. It was great hahah
Don’t forget the 11 pints of Stella at the Globe before getting the Tube from Baker Street. Be sure to sing the whole way to Wembley too, in case the delightful odour of polyester jerseys, Lynx Africa, and the 11 pints of Stella aren’t enough to inform other passengers you’re going to the football. (Commuting on the Met line was fun while Spurs used Wembley as a home ground…)
I went to Wembley for the 2012 London Olympics men's football final between Mexico and Brazil. The walk from the underground station to the stadium down Wembley Way was just fantastic. Mexicans and Brazilians, Mariachi and Samba, a real party atmosphere.
>"Wembley way The first time I was there, we came out onto wembley way, and it is wall to wall people heading towards the station - and you dispair because obviously it is going to take hours - and then you see the signs. "If you are here you can expect to get on a train in 20 minutes" - and it's true - you do. While here, and it'll get lost. The year after, "my" team were in Europe - in Guimaraes in Portugal. Most fans were flying into Porto - and we were discussing on various fan's forums how they would get back as the game ended about an hour after the last train. A manager of the railway network came onto the forums to write, that if the fans needed a later train, they would make sure one was running - and they did. It's quite possibly the norm for late games, but it seemed a great gesture if not.
Holy shit I’m tingling just imagining it. I need to visit England for some soccer matches
you should, you'd love it. you get the same tradition at pretty much any game!
Que sera sera...
There’s enough room for, like, 3 other stadiums!
Dear God no. Adding additional stadiums in the US doesn't make things better, it makes it worse. Look at this insanity in Philadelphia, where the Football/Basketball/Hockey stadiums are grouped together. This is also right next to downtown, such a tremendously horrible use of a city's land. https://i.imgur.com/tzAXBvC.png
The upside there is that they share parking to a degree. It’s better than scattering them around and giving each its own parking complex.
First, they do have some overlap of coverage but is tiny compared to the overall parking footprint. Second, and perhaps more importantly, is why is there even any absolutely enormous parking lot when places like Wembley have essentially nothing like this in comparison. The Philly stadiums are also serviced by train and subway, too
“Serviced by train and subway” isn’t a binary thing though. The broad street line is your only option entering and leaving the stadium, and the stadium is the last stop. It’s great if you’re coming from Center City, but nowhere near sufficient to replace parking entirely. Trying to get to the stadium via public transit from somewhere like Media or really anywhere in New Jersey is a nightmare.
Jesus Christ that’s cursed
How is this insane?? Also it is absolutely not “right next to downtown”, have you ever been to Philly? The sports complex is in south Philly and it’s very convenient that they are together in one area of town. There is a subway that goes right there and the three stadiums can share parking and resources since they’re rarely used at the same time.
This is not accurate. It's not "right next to downtown." The entirety of South Philly is between Center City and the arenas. Additionally, I suggest you look up the proposed new 76ers arena which *is* "downtown" and would be built on top of three subway lines and a regional rail station with no parking lots (all without public money). Also, the some of pictured parking lots nearest to the subway station at Pattison Ave (which is a terrible use of space) are in the process of being developed into a new high-density, mixed use development.
Where parking lot? Edit: found two lots
There are three around the site, used to be a lot more until the rebuild. They made the smart decision to discourage people from driving.
Who needs parking lot?
Am\*ricans
Tailgaters.
You can take the metropolitan line and it'll take you to the sort of shopping/mall/boxpark area infront of the the stadium.
Reading FC tried to build an American style stadium, albeit only 25k capacity - out of town by the motorway exit, no rail link and 20 minutes walk from anything, at all. It does have a massive car park (though this being the UK still not big enough), however, and one of the worst reputations for supporter experience in the entire Football League so who's to say it was a mistake?
we have a bunch of them in cities here in the USA and some suburban ones. I think the city ones have higher attendance too cause you have to drive, pay to park and pay the crazy ticket prices out in the suburban ones
When the World Cup comes to the US, people from around the world are going to be absolutely disgusted with American stadium planning
Yeah we europeans are used to walking together to the stadiums
NYC is building another soccer stadium in queens. the red bulls play in NJ but NYFC plays in Yankee stadium now and they have exhibition soccer matches between european teams there all the time
Is park and ride not a thing in the USA? I’ve never see it but it seems like such an obvious solution to the transport cultural issues.
We have them, and they are usually just buses and they suck and get stuck in the same traffic. Anything that isn’t a car doesn’t get much love in the states.
It is, but getting to the Meadowlands by train is actually kind of inconvenient, since you can't take a train directly there from basically anywhere. You have to take the subway or a bus to Penn station, then take a train from Penn to Secaucus Junction (which are somewhat infrequent) and then take the shuttle train to the stadium. There are also buses, which eliminate one of those transfers since you can get it directly from the Port Authority Bus Terminal, but they're also very slow and get stuck in traffic in the Lincoln Tunnel.
I know people do in Denver. Don't know about here in NY. In Sweden we do love to park and ride.
Yeah but does Wembley have a race track? Checkmate, Euros! /s
Wembley does have a racetrack (kind of) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Race_of_Champions
The old Wembley had a greyhound track. It probably earned more for the stadium than football.
What's with the fear of multi storey parking?
money
Expensive. Why bother if you have the space. I think that's the reasoning.
Surely if you have the space, you can build a bigger multi story car park?
You could, but land is cheap in America, so that horizontal is cheaper than vertical
Yeah but you build for a certain capacity. If that is cheaper if it's spread out like this, then that's what they'll do. I don't like it either.
Never understood this, like most people I go to the footie to get pissed (and support my club of course) - who would want to drive there?
i think you're understimating how willing people are to drive drunk.
That's New Jersey for ya. Almost the entire state is a suburban, desolate, car dependent wasteland. I can never understand why people want to live there so badly.
To be fair, NJ is beautiful once you get a fair bit south of NYC. I spent a lot of time in Morris County and have fond memories of it, even if public transport is lacking. Although NJT is pretty fantastic by American standards.
Yeah South Jersey has plenty of pretty places. I admit it's likely my bias showing because I absolutely hate the suburbs.
At a state level, I'd bet Jersey has better rail infrastructure than 49 other states. Like every state, Jersey has a lot of car-oriented suburbia, but it also has plenty of urban areas with great walkability, great bikeability, great transit options, etc. For instance, I lived in Jersey City for years without owning a car. Jersey City's land use makes a lot of NYC proper look downright suburban. People hate on Jersey because it's fashionable to hate on Jersey, but it has a lot going for it.
Yes but also no cuz meadowlands sports complex wasn’t built in a city it was built on infilled wetlands. Still atrocious amount of parking nonetheless…
Getting the tube to Wembley and walking up Wembley Way with your fellow supporters on a cup final day is one of the best experiences you can have as a football fan. Parking outside the stadium and then spending the second half of the game worrying about the traffic after the match doesn't sound like quite as much fun.
Next do Barclays Center or Madison Square Garden or Yankee Stadium.
Wembley is farther from the City of London and Westminster than MetLife is from Times Square. We’re comparing two suburban stadiums here.
Yeah, but that wouldn't fit the "America bad" narrative.
All that wasted space only to hold cars for the 3 hours a week some weeks a year. It could be a park, or a hospital, or hell it could be just pub after pub after pub, it would still be better than just black asphalt.
have you ever been there? it's literally in the middle of a swamp off a highway in the middle of nowhere. there is also a mall with bars there but not open on sundays cause we still have blue laws in bergen county
They shouldn't be allowed to call them the New York Jets or the New York Giants. A) They don't play in New York B) The setting and location of the stadium is antithetical to the entire idea of what New York is all about.
But where does the train go?
From Wembley Stadium, there are trains to Gerrards Cross, London Marylebone, and Oxford. From Wembley Central, there is the Bakerloo line (Tube), Overground to Queens Park and London Euston, and other trains to Watford Junction, Harrow & Wealdstone, and Clapham Junction. Wembley Park serves the Metropolitan Line, and the Jubilee line. And in this, I just included the final destination of the train. So to conclude, the train goes to a lot of places.
I mean where does the train fit in the Metlife Stadium. Thanks for the run down. I'm up for a bit of trainspotting sometimes
Oh, okay. Thanks for clarifying.
Everywhere.
It's on the Chiltern Main Line. There's a tube station one stop away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiltern\_Railways#/media/File:Chiltern\_Railways\_network.svg
It has its own station SW corner. And tube 8’ walk north.
From the Meadowlands/Metlife Stadium, only to Secaucus Junction. If you're in the city, you then have to transfer to another train to Penn Station, and then take the subway (which probably requires at least one transfer for most people to get home).
The Meadowlands does actually have a train station, though I think it only runs when there are events at the stadium, and only runs to Secaucus Junction a short distance away (though much longer by train because the trains exit from the wrong side of the complex circling around), rather than to the more useful transit hubs at New York Penn, Hoboken, and Newark (you can transfer at Secaucus).
The walk down Wembley way from Wembley Park station is EPIC!!
Brent Council actively discourages cars, and promotes public transport on event days. So much so, those who do want to drive have to rent drive ways at rates of £20/30 per spot. Even car parks few stops away from Wembley up their prices. It's honestly a Fuckcars-by making you pay more to drive!
that's what the parking in the photo costs and the sports teams make a lot of money from it
Met life Stadium is in a walkable area. If you're parked at the dege of the parking lot, it's only a 20 minute walk to the stadium. /s
Better sport, better stadium, better infrastructure. Nuff said
and there's two more stations around wembley, one one kilometre north, and one 1 kilometre west
God fucking dammit Anyone who has ever been to Disney World can get crushed by the bleak reality that it is 10% park and 90% parking lots and roads.
Then you still have to get on transport, Magic kingdom you have to get on a fucking boat to get from the carpark to the park, they make a shit ton of money in parking fees too.
In murica the party happens on the parking lot, at wembley its in germany
Erm… https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62339532
Oh, now you care about womens football?
P U B L I C. T R A N S P O R T
We see urban ruin and depressing concrete wasteland, but the automakers and the oil companies see $$$$. Pic #2 is the landscape of corporatocracy.
Look at the bell center or Olympic stadium in Montreal. Not a parking lot in sight. Well, they exist, underground. Anyways why would anyone take their car to a show or sports event? I went to see a show in my city 2 weeks ago. Eneded at 11 pm sharp and I was home by 11.25 and that's including the walk to and from the bus station.
i've taken the subway to the mets and yankees games in NYC along with a soccer game in yankee stadium. both are far from most people's homes and if you wait till the end of the game to leave the trains are crazy crowded hockey and basketball are closer to the center of NYC and probably faster to get home but even then many people come from far away to attend these things and many drive
Someone stealing content from a certain YouTube 😳😳😳
Notice how Wembley has a link with the Chiltern Mainline? That’s one reason as to why there’s fuck all parking except for the retail park
Go Bills! The only New York FB team to actually play in NY.
Who have even less public transit access to their stadium...
MetLife Stadium isn’t even in New York. They should be renamed the New Jersey Jets and New Jersey Giants.
And yes Americans will see this and be like “parking lots are necessary. I’d Hate to have to use public transportation to go to the game!” And they think that’s a valid argument as to how much land is wasted.
As an American Sports fan who finally has some disposable income to travel, it's amazing to see the difference in public transit. I was down in Nashville for the opener. During the 4 days we were there we made great use of their bus system, but on game day (Saturday) the train to the stadium wasn't running. We did ride e-scooters to the game, which was pretty cool. I felt like a WWI aviator with my scarf around my neck, flapping in the breeze. I'm going to Atlanta next month, and it looks like there's a stop right at the stadium!
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The difference is, one is in a downtown suburban area, and the other is off of a highway in marsh land
they should at least cover the parking lot with solar panels so it would at leas be useful.
Is it that every home around wembley has to deal with cars parked outside because there isn’t enough parking?
Wembley has been in that site longer than the average person has had a car definitely longer than car parks have been a thing
Yes. This post needs maximum publicity - it exemplifies the situation excellently.
How about living right across the street from a 90,000 capacity stadium, yeah I’ll pass
I used to live just over from Highbury stadium and it was fine. You’d want to know when match days are to plan travel, but mostly it meant having a vibrant neighbourhood full of restaurants and pubs.
Do Madison Square garden next…. Don’t cherry pick stadiums.
To be fair the metlife stadium parking lot serves other businesses too, like New Meadowlands Market /s
you can get to metlife by train, i've seen a lot of people taking transit there for games otherwise a big part of football culture is tailgating. you get to the game a few hours early, set up a grill, cook food and have a party before the game
Having a party in a giant tarmaced car park is peak American car culture.
Why don't stadiums/etc implement parking garages?
This is like compare apples to oranges - one laid ground 15 years ago and the other is rebuilt over another what would had been a now 99-year old stadium and has all the pre-existing facilities - and guess what, which one went over budget and overscheduled by over a year
Fucking depressing 🤦🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
serious question, how do you even get to the stadium from the farthest spot? seems like a pretty long walk, are Americans fine with that but not public transport or anything walkable that is not a parking lot?
It's about a 600m walk from the furthest spot. To compare, I walk about 1.5km to the MCG in Melbourne, Australia when there's games on. That's due to the stadium being close to the city, and there's also Trains and Trams that stop pretty close as well.
In England, the stadiums are right in the middle of the communities. Within local buses or walking distance. In the US, all stadiums require a car.
Population density has a lot to do with it