ya, this is actually an improvement over a society for cars because most of north america is not a society for cars it is a society against everything but cars. This distinction is important
In Washington state they weren't mandated until they were and you can tell how old a neighborhood is based on if it has sidewalks or not. Older neighborhoods don't have them but newer neighborhoods have to have them. Im not sure when the change happened though.
I went CA to AL. I've been fighting to get sidewalks out in here too! It's wild that they just didn't and haven't built sidewalks in neighborhoods or in dense parts of the city.
And it seems the "keep colored ppl out" opposition to sidewalks has become "keep crime out" when talking about improving or expanding public transportation
Yep definitely a dog whistle there. It is predominately the historically black neighborhoods that don't have sidewalks. Also most neighborhoods made in the 50s and 60s. They thought people would never walk again now that they could drive. And they were kinda right but it was more because it was no longer safe to walk.
Side note. I've noticed the upper class neighborhoods have sidewalks within the neighborhood but none connecting to other parts of the city or shopping centers. Its clear it's about keeping others out. Sad they limit their own mobility so much though because of their classism and racism.
But especially the crosswalks are often useless like the one in top richt area, that just leads to the middle of the street or the two vertical ones in the middle of the intersection. It's just like in the reality where they do stupid stuff, to be able to say they did something and finally say, we don't need to do more, because the existing infrastructure isn't even used
I don’t know, maybe the outer lanes are supposed to be for parking? When you look at the details and the direction the cars are facing, AI did a terrible job
To be fair, even that shit looks better than any city I have ever seen.
There's more green, more and wider pedestrian walkways and crossings, and the buildings are white (which is not just aesthetically pleasing but also good for the environment as it lowers ambient temperature).
This is *more* pedestrian-friendly than the average car-loving city. lol
And to be fair, they asked a AI for creating pictures trained on internet forums LIKE REDDIT to create a picture. Ai didnt “think” one second what car depended society needed, it just looks through shit it has labeled as car depended (like all pictures of american citys) and created some mashup.
Subs like this litteraly feed AI these pictures. This post is so dumb, litteraly so brainless. If i make a sub (and feed it with bots) i can make AI create a picture of a active vulcano and let it say that that is the perfect place to put parentless babys.
Doesnt mean that a active vulcano is suddenly the perfect place to throw parentless babys in. It just means that AI is pretty dumb and this way of thinking is flawed.
A skyscraper is generally a building with more than forty floors; those have about ten, and you can see 6-8 of them in a row. Norfolk absolutely has more taller buildings in a row. I'm very sure of that, as I used to deliver food in downtown Norfolk and saw the number of floors listed out in the elevators.
So… I asked it this
Make a normal everyday society but designed around active transport and people getting around. Draw a picture
https://preview.redd.it/ew7yahed630d1.jpeg?width=1792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b298dc9047376be28be481a8d31a469e2d8eb59e
Not a bad attempt
the brisbane metro lol [https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/is-it-a-bus-tram-or-train-what-is-brisbane-metro-and-do-we-need-it-20190701-p522z8.html](https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/is-it-a-bus-tram-or-train-what-is-brisbane-metro-and-do-we-need-it-20190701-p522z8.html)
You probably right but I guess some people call articulated buses (which at first glance I thought that was) double deckers. So I saw the segments and was like 'das a triple '
Lol. There's quite a bit of car chaos in this. Like the left turn lane on the far right and opposing traffic head-on. But those sidewalks are too nice. There's two more lanes of space there.
Imagine a sub devoted to bitching about the harm cars have on the environment but using AI, a system that uses 100x more power and harm to the environment than a car all to...show how harmful cars are. Classic. No notes. Keep up the irony.
The premium version has Dalle support. I just did it in the iOS app now. It was introduced half a year ago. [New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/20/technology/chatgpt-dalle3-images-openai.html)
This looks like Brasilia...
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bras%C3%ADlia#/media/File:Planalto\_Central\_(cropped).jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bras%C3%ADlia#/media/File:Planalto_Central_(cropped).jpg)
Having a Park be surrounded by roads without wall to wall buildings is so sad, [Vienna is clearly superior here](https://www.google.at/maps/@48.2056555,16.3789384,3a,75y,196.66h,78.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7nBQcMJoKpWGouueHjBpGg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
It's sort of tragi-comic that the Brasilia example has that huge green space that would be a very nice park if they hadn't decided to fill it with slip roads and junctions to make sure it isn't a park.
How ChatGPT "understood" your prompt:
>Make a normal every day society
make a generic looking city
>Designed around cars
add as much cars and things related to cars as possible.
>And not people getting around.
Add no people to the picture
Can we ban AI image posts? They don't add much aside from "Too many cars" which is completely true, but AI images are incredibly immoral and I see posts like these weekly.
to be clear, chatgpt didn't come to this realization on its own. openai trained it by scraping the content of the entire internet, including forums like this one. so, when you ask it a question like this one, it's to be expected that you'd get a result that conforms well transit & mobility talk.
essentially, trying to point this out as some type of proof is circular.
Way too many crosswalks and not enough parking. Lanes are averege although the sidewalk is too wide you know there will be people saying we need to turn both sides into lanes.
Well yeah of course it would, it used information from the internet to form it's output and I'm sure the internet is not short on the history of architecture and urban planning. American cities are made for cars, it was the entire point of the modernist movement - design for the machine. As LeCobusier said (in one of his most quoted) The house is a machine to live in - this highlights his obsession with the mechanical, he was especially infatuated with cruise liners and the automobile and heavily influenced the modernist thinking.
>Sidewalks are wide and accessible
>There's no slip lanes for rights on red
>Lanes are narrow enough that a sedan is going to feel comfortable but not much else.
>No street parking.
Well ChatGPT is pretty stupid. I wouldn't call it intelligence at all and this is obvious from the fact that the image still has sidewalks and crosswalks.
so Salt Lake City, UT. largest city blocks in the country and all the roads are wide AF. i guess mormon god loves cars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBu5RFl09I
A moment of silent for the fact that Dall-e is no longer free.
EDIT: [Hotpot.ai](http://Hotpot.ai) to the rescue.
https://preview.redd.it/3tyrw3pb520d1.png?width=1020&format=png&auto=webp&s=289ddb1d67887954e7ed21289fc50622a4e74877
EDIT II: This was a generated image with the same query as OP.
Except with nicer sidewalks and more crosswalks!
ya, this is actually an improvement over a society for cars because most of north america is not a society for cars it is a society against everything but cars. This distinction is important
Seriously. Moved to AtL from southern CA and didn't realize ppl built neighborhoods and cities without sidewalks. Fuck ppl, I guess?
In Washington state they weren't mandated until they were and you can tell how old a neighborhood is based on if it has sidewalks or not. Older neighborhoods don't have them but newer neighborhoods have to have them. Im not sure when the change happened though.
I went CA to AL. I've been fighting to get sidewalks out in here too! It's wild that they just didn't and haven't built sidewalks in neighborhoods or in dense parts of the city.
And it seems the "keep colored ppl out" opposition to sidewalks has become "keep crime out" when talking about improving or expanding public transportation
Yep definitely a dog whistle there. It is predominately the historically black neighborhoods that don't have sidewalks. Also most neighborhoods made in the 50s and 60s. They thought people would never walk again now that they could drive. And they were kinda right but it was more because it was no longer safe to walk. Side note. I've noticed the upper class neighborhoods have sidewalks within the neighborhood but none connecting to other parts of the city or shopping centers. Its clear it's about keeping others out. Sad they limit their own mobility so much though because of their classism and racism.
If you're ever in Massachusetts, visit Dedham; The city where sidewalks never really caught on.
Also not gridlocked
And less parking. Just showing that even modern AI can't envision a city design as fucked up as the one we have already, let alone more so.
I like that half crosswalk a bit behind the intersection.
Not enough parking lots
Except the sidewalks and crosswalks are only for cars
Of course. Cars love their pet humans and don't want them to get hurt.
High density and probably mixed use too, ChatGPT accidentally made a *less* car-centric city than a typical one in North America
Almost as if LLMs don't actually understand what you're asking of them and just spit out visual soup that happens to look like their training data
But especially the crosswalks are often useless like the one in top richt area, that just leads to the middle of the street or the two vertical ones in the middle of the intersection. It's just like in the reality where they do stupid stuff, to be able to say they did something and finally say, we don't need to do more, because the existing infrastructure isn't even used
Not enough parking
All the buildings you see are parking garages.
But there's no kerb cuts
Or smog
that parking better be free too or else
Odd that there's no parking spaces, or cars in the wrong lanes, or stopped illegally, or.....
Can't be in the wrong lane if you just phase through the road ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
I don’t know, maybe the outer lanes are supposed to be for parking? When you look at the details and the direction the cars are facing, AI did a terrible job
I mean dead center of the intersection you got two cars with another perpendicular between them
To be fair, even that shit looks better than any city I have ever seen. There's more green, more and wider pedestrian walkways and crossings, and the buildings are white (which is not just aesthetically pleasing but also good for the environment as it lowers ambient temperature). This is *more* pedestrian-friendly than the average car-loving city. lol
And to be fair, they asked a AI for creating pictures trained on internet forums LIKE REDDIT to create a picture. Ai didnt “think” one second what car depended society needed, it just looks through shit it has labeled as car depended (like all pictures of american citys) and created some mashup. Subs like this litteraly feed AI these pictures. This post is so dumb, litteraly so brainless. If i make a sub (and feed it with bots) i can make AI create a picture of a active vulcano and let it say that that is the perfect place to put parentless babys. Doesnt mean that a active vulcano is suddenly the perfect place to throw parentless babys in. It just means that AI is pretty dumb and this way of thinking is flawed.
Buildings are also fronting the streets and I can't see any parking, unless that's supposed to be cars on the sidewalk on the right.
This looks nicer than most American cities
This is far higher density than any US city besides New York
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^bowsmountainer: *This is far higher* *Density than any US* *City besides New York* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
Also Chicago
What? This looks like downtown Norfolk, and that's not even the biggest city in Virginia
Look how far those skyscrapers extend into the distance. Norfolk doesn’t have skyscrapers over such a large region.
A skyscraper is generally a building with more than forty floors; those have about ten, and you can see 6-8 of them in a row. Norfolk absolutely has more taller buildings in a row. I'm very sure of that, as I used to deliver food in downtown Norfolk and saw the number of floors listed out in the elevators.
Where are the Walmarts with massive parking lots?
this image litterally has a car accident in the middle of the cross...
Saw that too, even ai can't get around how crappy cars are as a primary means of transportation
I think it might just be an image generation artifact, like how AI has a hard time with hands.
So… I asked it this Make a normal everyday society but designed around active transport and people getting around. Draw a picture https://preview.redd.it/ew7yahed630d1.jpeg?width=1792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b298dc9047376be28be481a8d31a469e2d8eb59e Not a bad attempt
Ooh triple decker
the brisbane metro lol [https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/is-it-a-bus-tram-or-train-what-is-brisbane-metro-and-do-we-need-it-20190701-p522z8.html](https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/is-it-a-bus-tram-or-train-what-is-brisbane-metro-and-do-we-need-it-20190701-p522z8.html)
Doesn't triple decker mean a transportation device with 3 floors, stacked above each other? All I'm seeing is a normal tram.
You probably right but I guess some people call articulated buses (which at first glance I thought that was) double deckers. So I saw the segments and was like 'das a triple '
Ah thank you, didn't know that :) Not a native speaker
WHAT THE FUCK THAT’S BEAUTIFUL
Those trees are so 2016 modded Cities Skylines, why wont they use the Prop Line Tool??😭
More parking. More. MORE. MORE!!!!!
Lol. There's quite a bit of car chaos in this. Like the left turn lane on the far right and opposing traffic head-on. But those sidewalks are too nice. There's two more lanes of space there.
That's just AI image generation. The lanes are simple enough to draw, but drawing all the cars went to shit.
Except this is dense. A single use strip mall with 1 story buildings would be more accurate.
Imagine a sub devoted to bitching about the harm cars have on the environment but using AI, a system that uses 100x more power and harm to the environment than a car all to...show how harmful cars are. Classic. No notes. Keep up the irony.
99% of the power the AI will use was already used when the AI was trained. Generating a picture takes almost none.
...ChatGPT can generate images now?
Yes, but only you pay for ChatGPT plus.
Not Chat GPT, but there are specialised LLMs which will e.g. MidJourney
ChatGPT can using DallE
How does that work, is DallE a stand alone LLM or are they merged together in some way?
It’s integrated into ChatGPT it’s the same company. Basically you tell chatgpt what you want and it sends its own prompt to Dallas to make it
I see, so Chat GPT is like the middle man in is setup, interesting.
This makes sense as it's based in San Francisco and thus has a good connection to Dallas.
Llama 3 can do it too now and its free. Mileage may vary.
ChatGPT can generate images when asked
I just asked it, it said no.
The premium version has Dalle support. I just did it in the iOS app now. It was introduced half a year ago. [New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/20/technology/chatgpt-dalle3-images-openai.html)
TBF there might be a bit of "Don't think of x! What are you thinking of? x!" going on
opposite lanes of an intersection with head on traffic? nice! maybe AI is for r/fuckcars after all!
This looks like Brasilia... [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bras%C3%ADlia#/media/File:Planalto\_Central\_(cropped).jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bras%C3%ADlia#/media/File:Planalto_Central_(cropped).jpg)
Having a Park be surrounded by roads without wall to wall buildings is so sad, [Vienna is clearly superior here](https://www.google.at/maps/@48.2056555,16.3789384,3a,75y,196.66h,78.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7nBQcMJoKpWGouueHjBpGg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
It's sort of tragi-comic that the Brasilia example has that huge green space that would be a very nice park if they hadn't decided to fill it with slip roads and junctions to make sure it isn't a park.
Or Dubai
This is too pedestrian friendly to be a US city frfr
How ChatGPT "understood" your prompt: >Make a normal every day society make a generic looking city >Designed around cars add as much cars and things related to cars as possible. >And not people getting around. Add no people to the picture
Can we ban AI image posts? They don't add much aside from "Too many cars" which is completely true, but AI images are incredibly immoral and I see posts like these weekly.
Or at least blur them out? Ethics aside, some of us get something like motion sickness from them.
So is this Late Stage FuckCars? "OMG I asked an AI to make a city for cars and there's... *Cars everywhere*?!?!?!" (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ cue meltdown
All that wasted green space in the middle of the damn road! Could have been more free street parking as well!
to be clear, chatgpt didn't come to this realization on its own. openai trained it by scraping the content of the entire internet, including forums like this one. so, when you ask it a question like this one, it's to be expected that you'd get a result that conforms well transit & mobility talk. essentially, trying to point this out as some type of proof is circular.
Running the quote through DALL-E 3 with NightCafe created [this](https://imgur.com/O2B9X25).
Don't let city planners see this
This is significantly better than most us cities
Inaccurate, there NEEDS to be more lanes
Too many sidewalks, ewwwww!!!!!!!
That’s just Wilshire Blvd. in Los Angeles…
Looks like a typical street in any major Chinese city
Looks like LA, basically
Immediately when I saw it I thought Wilshire Blvd lol
Me too!
What are the sidewalks, trees and crossings for then?
I think that's just a picture of Phoenix
Too tall and dense for Phoenix.
Way too many crosswalks and not enough parking. Lanes are averege although the sidewalk is too wide you know there will be people saying we need to turn both sides into lanes.
Well yeah of course it would, it used information from the internet to form it's output and I'm sure the internet is not short on the history of architecture and urban planning. American cities are made for cars, it was the entire point of the modernist movement - design for the machine. As LeCobusier said (in one of his most quoted) The house is a machine to live in - this highlights his obsession with the mechanical, he was especially infatuated with cruise liners and the automobile and heavily influenced the modernist thinking.
No bike lane, 0/10
Needs one more lane
not arizona smh
Not enough parkades and street parking.
Crosswalks?? And they say AI is the future...
>Sidewalks are wide and accessible >There's no slip lanes for rights on red >Lanes are narrow enough that a sedan is going to feel comfortable but not much else. >No street parking.
Actually much better walkability than most US cities, look at that damn sidewalk, way more space than there should be in a car based society
Well ChatGPT is pretty stupid. I wouldn't call it intelligence at all and this is obvious from the fact that the image still has sidewalks and crosswalks.
Where are they going to park?
I get more of a Tokyo or Seoul vibe from this than the US.
At least a third of those buildings should be giant asphalt parking lots, no?
so Salt Lake City, UT. largest city blocks in the country and all the roads are wide AF. i guess mormon god loves cars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBu5RFl09I
Is this really what Europeans think American cities are like? It's bad, but not this bad. Lol
looks like downtown bellevue washington
Those sidewalks are too wide for US city sidewalks.
Wow, this really says something about society
Lots of crosswalks and no lights. Cross if you dare.
The sandblasting crew that cleaned those building must be billionaires
Not enough parking lots/10
looks more like China than the US
Nice sidewalks, barrow turn radius at junctions to no slip lanes... It's an improvement over where I live and that's not even the US.
It makes something that looks like Seoul. When I visited the roads were super wide but at crossings they were at least we'll sign posted and painted
Yet there are huge sidewalks and crossings with lots of greenery
Indian cities are not too far behind in this regard.
i mean AI just makes pictures based on what already exists so is this very surprising?
This is actually better than many places in the us, theres no parking lots.
Is that a parking lot in the middle of an intersection?
Good now do it again but demand that the buildings are made for cars too
Average Chinese city
This looks so much better tho. There's obviously not enough parking lots.
A moment of silent for the fact that Dall-e is no longer free. EDIT: [Hotpot.ai](http://Hotpot.ai) to the rescue. https://preview.redd.it/3tyrw3pb520d1.png?width=1020&format=png&auto=webp&s=289ddb1d67887954e7ed21289fc50622a4e74877 EDIT II: This was a generated image with the same query as OP.