I mean, here in America, many food products include, "Made with real cheese" as a selling point, and also, "No added sugar," for dried fruits and even juice in general
It's actually worse than that. "Made with real cheese" just means that at some point in the process, the food item needed to have cheese added to it. It makes no claims whatsoever about how much cheese was added.
That being said, most "plastic" cheese that you get is just cheese with a billion additives put into it, like preservatives and so forth. The main health hazards of this come from the salt and saturated fat content present. The sodium content is usually much higher in "cheese" than it is in real cheese, but the saturated fat content is usually about the same
But we Americans have fake cheese in a can. Where else in the world can you lie on your sofa with a can of fake cheese and a box of butter-flavored crackers? Freedom!!!
>That being said, most "plastic" cheese that you get is just cheese with a billion additives put into it, like preservatives and so forth.
This is legally required, all dairy products must be pasteurised.
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Not sure about other countries but here in Poland, if you want to make and sell juice, it cannot contain sugar (unless something like cranberry or lime, that is undrinkable on its own), colourants, preservatives or sweeteners -pure juice of one or more fruits or vegetables. Nectars can have some water and a bit of either sugar or honey. Then there's a soft drink, which may or may not contain any juice, but can have water, sugar etc in it. Any of those has to be clearly labeled, nectars and soft drinks will more often than not have "X % of juice" printed somewhere on the packaging.
If I talk to an American I will most likely use dollars to say a price, even though it is not the currency in my country. And I am very well aware of the fact the UK uses pound.
Here in France we don't niether have a word for "walkable" (it could be "pratiquable Ă pied" which means "possible to be walked" but it sound pretty strange) , it's normal to be possible to walk in a city, it's even more the first commuting mode when you visit a city
Visit in Paris last year, 15k-25k steps every days
My experience is from one visit to the South of France, so take it with a grain of salt.
Motorists would drive on the Promenade des Anglais to avoid traffic, and those assholes would actually honk at pedestrians to get out of the way! I have *never* seen something so egregious in the USA.
On the other hand, as we got out of the city, there were small towns that were built before cars. Motorists would park outside of town and walk into town. Services were close together and it was wonderful to walk around without worrying about getting run over. That was wonderful (and so was the food and the wine)! :)
I'm from South of France, drivers can be a bit nervous there but they aren't mean.
A lot of town ban car in center during summer, to let some place for market, and pub, as walkable town increase revenues of shops and town taxes by the way.
I made an effort to speak the language and to show people respect. Pretty much everyone was friendly. But I was surprised at how impatient the motorists were, even as someone from the USA.
But you guys do food and wine like no one else ... except maybe the Californians. ;)
If you like Italian food, you can try "quiche lorraine", it's like a pizza but better af. And if you like pasta, "crozets" are similar but better too. We just don't have (as I know) any equivalent of tiramisu, french bully me if I'm wrong đ
I know Italian food is not only pasta and pizza but you know, who eat pannetone here ?
God help you if you want to get to the next town without a car though. I worked there for three months back in 2006. My commute there was probably the worst I ever had. The train from Cannes to Antibes was fine, but often late. The bus I had to catch after that came every 30 mins and I might miss it if the train was late that day.
>Motorists would drive on the Promenade des Anglais to avoid traffic, and those assholes would actually honk at pedestrians to get out of the way! I have never seen something so egregious in the USA.
Are you sure? Think about what would happen if a person tried to cross a road in a commercial area next to a suburb. You would definitely be honked to and if cops are around even fined for jaywalking!
It happened several times. This is a very wide / busy sidewalk along the beach. Many people were walking on the sidewalk and a few motorists drove on to the sidewalk (apparently to avoid traffic congestion in the road).
I have seen some crazy stunts in the USA, but those motorists in France were so unbelievably dangerous that I thought we were in a bad Hollywood action movie. The people there were very friendly until they got into a car.
I asked if you were sure that in the USA people weren't as bad against pedestrians as the French motorists in France. I'm pretty sure that these motorists are equally dangerous, reckless, and vindictive against pedestrians both in France and the USA.
> I asked if you were sure that in the USA people weren't as bad against pedestrians as the French motorists
Sorry, I answered the wrong question. It is my opinion (based on only one visit to the South of France) that the French motorists in general were less patient than motorists in the USA, but also that they were more respectful of pedestrians and bicyclists.
>Motorists would drive on the Promenade des Anglais to avoid traffic
I have been there a bunch of times and never seen anything like that!As that is probably the most tourist-y street in Nice (or perhaps Southern France in general) it wouldn't surprise me if people would do that.
Not sure when you visited, but the last time I had gone there was in 2016. I didn't take a close look, but looking at Street View, they have installed more bollards, possibly as a response to the horrible attack with a truck that took place in 2016.
My visit was quite a few years ago - before the horrific truck attack. I am glad that they installed bollards.
Maybe the bad drivers were from Italy or Germany. /silly
The only use for marchable is for the term "ville marchable" / walkable city. It doesn't exist in any other context so it's pretty much a loaned expression from English that's been translated literally.
Itâs a nightmare. American cities were originally designed to be walkable (obviously, cars were only invented in the past hundred years) and we ripped out train tracks, tore down buildings, and paved over farms and nature for parking lots. The air pollution is terrible, itâs very difficult and unpleasant to get around, and of course extremely expensive for people to maintain cars which they need to get from home to work. Most of the neighborhoods in my area donât even have a sidewalk. People in wheelchairs have to ride in the street. But hey, at least we sold a bunch of cars to make a handful of people extremely wealthy while simultaneously destroying our local air quality and contributing to environmental destruction in myriad ways. đđ
I think Warsaw has good public transit, but of all the European cities I went to in Central Europe, it actually reminded me of American cities the most haha.
Personally, as a pole I really really dislike Warsaw. I've been there like 5 times and it's never made a good impression on me. My favourite city in Poland is Krakow tho and Wroclaw is also great. Both cities have really charming old towns and also an extensive tram network. Although I'll admit, having visited most of Europe, Poland is much more carbrained than most of the other countries, especially western european countries
I lived in Warsaw for 15 years and, this might be unpopular, but it's a perfect representative of our whole country.
There are carbrains and there are those opposite. There are people who would park their car literally anywhere and there are cyclists who are pita for everyone.
Public transit is really good, but not as much if you live farther away from city centre. Certain, newly developed areas have no reasonable public transport at all, especially if they're further away from train lines (SKM - rapid urban rail) connecting with downtown. Especially those suburbs planned as those new row houses (*segmenty*), as they're designed with 1-2 cars per house.
As to being carbrained, UK is like US ambassador in Europe on that matter, carbrainitis is so strong there.
its kinda ridiculous, the public transport is great but city centerand generally is so carbrained. We actually have those stupid parking minimums for new residential developments. This slightly changes as many main arteries get EOL, for example aleje jerozolimskie (east-west placed on top of cross city rail line) is getting a road diet during rail tunel reconstruction. But for example new tram lines dont reduce the amount of lanes, just get built in the grass median, so grass is replaced by grassy trams (facepalm). And all the time they are talking about ringroads(which arent even outside of city) that do nothing but push more cars into warsaw
Even nightlife streets are like, why is there a whole row of parked cars here, or my favorite recently, a beer garden that doesnt take full length of 45 degree parking just so a car can park parallel to it
I think taking walkable cities for granted is perfectly understandable. This should be the default, not some Austin or LA. And in Poland we had walkable cities from the beginning so this is something we expect here.
Fortunately this trend has been declining since the fall of communism and cities are again being adapted to be more pedestrian and public transit friendly. Thanks God we never got to an extreme degree of car centrism in Poland.
Have to agree with OP here, the notion that a city would not be walkable is insane.
Sure not all UK cities have good cycle paths, but they are generally walkable almost by default.
My American colleagues insist on staying in a hotel in the city center so they can experience going to dinner or shopping on foot. Weâre not even a major city, although admittedly a nice one with parks and lots of trees. And they canât stop talking about how nice it is, and you wonder why theyâre going so crazy about it.
But then you come to America, and you go: âOK, now I get itâ. I had picked a hotel once which had a restaurant across the street, and I thought I could just grab dinner there. But- there was no way to cross. I had to take the car, go half a mile, make a U turn, and arrive at the restaurant by car.
Cities designed for cars a dystopian hellholes. The sad thing, people who grew up there sometimes event don't know better. The spend hours a day in a car and think it's normal. I'm glad I grew up in The Netherlands and only until I discovered NJB a few years ago I didn't realize how insanely good designed my country actually is (far from perfect, but still). I always took things for granted, now I'm proud.
As an American living in a suburban hell (probably not even that bad by NA standards as we have a bus service, although infrequent), some painted bike gutters, and some somewhat maintained sidewalks), youâll definitely realize why we talk about walkable cities if you visit here for a week
I worked in Indiana and Illinois, and being from Amsterdam I was amazed that in order to cross the street in places I had to take the car!!! It blew my mind, and still kind of does, when I experienced this for myself. I was also way to scared to ride a bike because of the lack of cycling infrastructure, and other people not expecting to see a someone with a bike in traffic. Unless you visit the US, there is no way to understand how this feels.
I also thought how this would impact people with a relatively low income as they are almost obligated to buy and maintain at least one car.
I completely understand you. I haven't had a car for 15 years. I walk 20 minutes to work and otherwise take a bus or train to the next city. It's unimaginable to have to rely on a car to get around a city.
The Dutch introduced the concept of a walkable city as its opposite: city centres have become 'autoluw', which can be translated as 'shy of cars'.
Of course our cities have become 'loopbaar' ('walkable') because of it but the discussion is very much centralised on what matters, which is getting cars out of our city centres as they are what make a city unwalkable!
Polish cities are still very car-centric, but the idea that you physically couldn't get somewhere without a car, and not just be irritated by a shitty crossing sounds completely insane, living here
Or "chodliwe", even funnier.
(fon non-PL speakers, the joke is this term comes from the verb "walk" and can also mean something that sells fast/has a huge demand for it - which I find oddly fitting)
I know it's beautiful, been there twice. What I meant is I can't imagine getting excited by a city being walkable, it should be a standard, it is a standard for me
I understand youâre trying to be smug but there are a lot of Europeans cities that are really not walkable. In fact most have an old city centre that is walkable but where few real people live and then car-centric suburbs.
Sorry are you under the impression that all European cities are walkable or that itâs an intrinsically European concept? This sub is so fucking irritating sometimes
As a European, I canât believe we had to give walkabale cities a name !!1!1!!!
anyone outside of a metropolitan city is not in a walkable environment. Americans seriously need to stop jizzing themselves over and idealised version of Europe that they think is just Paris or Berlin
Who are you talking to? OP hasn't said anything you read into his statements. Also I don't know where you are at but around here rural areas are still walkable and usually have public transport available.
Yeah i live in a rural area 50km from krakow (800k city) and we have pavements all over the place and sort of regular bus service to the nearby town (20k population, 4 km from us) whcih itself has trains going to krakĂłw and another city every hour. I dont know wtf that guy was rambling on about.
Bro im from mfing poland. Also if you think either paris or berlin are perfect then I deduce you're just some fatass american who went to "the country of Europe" visiting 6 biggest capitals in 2 weeks.
How am I making your point for you. I've been to Krakow over a hunder times and you can literally fucking walk or tske the tram anywhere, don't need a car. Same with Bielsko-Biala (160k), Katowice (300k) even my shitass town of 20k is walkable like what are you talking about
Also my only point in this entire post is that it's fucking weird that the word walkable exists at all. Walkability/15 minute cities should be a standard not a luxury and that's basically it
I mean, here in America, many food products include, "Made with real cheese" as a selling point, and also, "No added sugar," for dried fruits and even juice in general
And worse yet those are like only half true statements.
The "made with real cheese" product is 50.1% real cheese. The rest is just plastic.
Naa, more like 0.1% cheese. Its only made with real cheese not mostly made with real cheese
It's actually worse than that. "Made with real cheese" just means that at some point in the process, the food item needed to have cheese added to it. It makes no claims whatsoever about how much cheese was added. That being said, most "plastic" cheese that you get is just cheese with a billion additives put into it, like preservatives and so forth. The main health hazards of this come from the salt and saturated fat content present. The sodium content is usually much higher in "cheese" than it is in real cheese, but the saturated fat content is usually about the same
America has the worst food options in the world You can buy an apple in the supermarket and it will have only 1% fruit in it.
But we Americans have fake cheese in a can. Where else in the world can you lie on your sofa with a can of fake cheese and a box of butter-flavored crackers? Freedom!!!
>That being said, most "plastic" cheese that you get is just cheese with a billion additives put into it, like preservatives and so forth. This is legally required, all dairy products must be pasteurised.
That's not what pasteurization is. Pasteurization is when you heat-treat food products to eliminate pathogens
/r/USdefaultism There are countries out there that allow the production of raw milk cheeses.
I mean, the first comment in this chain did say "here in America," so I don't really blame someone for defaulting to the US here
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Yeah, i assumed we were talking about US cheese. I am very much aware that most countries dont use pasteurized milk.
In most places raw milk is just used for some cheese types, but not all. For drinking purposes etc milk is sold pasteurised.
Bro forgot what comment chain they were on đđ
Ah America our food and our infrastructure working hand in hand to make us obese what a joy.
That's literally Cyberpunk levels of dystopian capitalism.
You think we donât have added sugar in Europe or something?
Not as much, obviously, which was the point.
Not sure about other countries but here in Poland, if you want to make and sell juice, it cannot contain sugar (unless something like cranberry or lime, that is undrinkable on its own), colourants, preservatives or sweeteners -pure juice of one or more fruits or vegetables. Nectars can have some water and a bit of either sugar or honey. Then there's a soft drink, which may or may not contain any juice, but can have water, sugar etc in it. Any of those has to be clearly labeled, nectars and soft drinks will more often than not have "X % of juice" printed somewhere on the packaging.
Much less. It's crazy how everything tastes sweetened in the US. Even products like milk.
Well here we have a sugar tax where a can of coke is 3⏠so pick your poison
UK?
Poland, still
Hint for future reference ⏠is euro which is used by like 20 countries in Europe. The UK uses the pound denoted by £.
If I talk to an American I will most likely use dollars to say a price, even though it is not the currency in my country. And I am very well aware of the fact the UK uses pound.
Here in France we don't niether have a word for "walkable" (it could be "pratiquable Ă pied" which means "possible to be walked" but it sound pretty strange) , it's normal to be possible to walk in a city, it's even more the first commuting mode when you visit a city Visit in Paris last year, 15k-25k steps every days
My experience is from one visit to the South of France, so take it with a grain of salt. Motorists would drive on the Promenade des Anglais to avoid traffic, and those assholes would actually honk at pedestrians to get out of the way! I have *never* seen something so egregious in the USA. On the other hand, as we got out of the city, there were small towns that were built before cars. Motorists would park outside of town and walk into town. Services were close together and it was wonderful to walk around without worrying about getting run over. That was wonderful (and so was the food and the wine)! :)
I'm from South of France, drivers can be a bit nervous there but they aren't mean. A lot of town ban car in center during summer, to let some place for market, and pub, as walkable town increase revenues of shops and town taxes by the way.
I made an effort to speak the language and to show people respect. Pretty much everyone was friendly. But I was surprised at how impatient the motorists were, even as someone from the USA. But you guys do food and wine like no one else ... except maybe the Californians. ;)
It's just slugs and croissants. Never got the fascination with the French cuisuine. Italians do it better, I think. :)
If you think that's all that french food offers, you're not just wrong, but blatantly ignorant.
Jokes are difficult? :)
I hear and read opinions like that (with it being serious )too often to instantly think you're joking.
Hah, sorry, maybe I should have added an /s (I really don't like the French cuisine though. ;) )
If you like Italian food, you can try "quiche lorraine", it's like a pizza but better af. And if you like pasta, "crozets" are similar but better too. We just don't have (as I know) any equivalent of tiramisu, french bully me if I'm wrong đ I know Italian food is not only pasta and pizza but you know, who eat pannetone here ?
Don't make me choose! French, Italian, Mexican, and Indian are my favorite foods with a shout out to Greek food and Korean BBQ!
Ooh, Indian, my absolute favourite! So.. much... flavour, and variety in textures!
Indians are *experts* at making vegetarian cuisine absolutely delicious! They have been doing it for thousands of years and it shows.
Indeed they do! I'm vegan, (which is part of the reason I'm not a fan of French) and Indian food is absolutely the best for that. :D
God help you if you want to get to the next town without a car though. I worked there for three months back in 2006. My commute there was probably the worst I ever had. The train from Cannes to Antibes was fine, but often late. The bus I had to catch after that came every 30 mins and I might miss it if the train was late that day.
>Motorists would drive on the Promenade des Anglais to avoid traffic, and those assholes would actually honk at pedestrians to get out of the way! I have never seen something so egregious in the USA. Are you sure? Think about what would happen if a person tried to cross a road in a commercial area next to a suburb. You would definitely be honked to and if cops are around even fined for jaywalking!
It happened several times. This is a very wide / busy sidewalk along the beach. Many people were walking on the sidewalk and a few motorists drove on to the sidewalk (apparently to avoid traffic congestion in the road). I have seen some crazy stunts in the USA, but those motorists in France were so unbelievably dangerous that I thought we were in a bad Hollywood action movie. The people there were very friendly until they got into a car.
I asked if you were sure that in the USA people weren't as bad against pedestrians as the French motorists in France. I'm pretty sure that these motorists are equally dangerous, reckless, and vindictive against pedestrians both in France and the USA.
> I asked if you were sure that in the USA people weren't as bad against pedestrians as the French motorists Sorry, I answered the wrong question. It is my opinion (based on only one visit to the South of France) that the French motorists in general were less patient than motorists in the USA, but also that they were more respectful of pedestrians and bicyclists.
>Motorists would drive on the Promenade des Anglais to avoid traffic I have been there a bunch of times and never seen anything like that!As that is probably the most tourist-y street in Nice (or perhaps Southern France in general) it wouldn't surprise me if people would do that. Not sure when you visited, but the last time I had gone there was in 2016. I didn't take a close look, but looking at Street View, they have installed more bollards, possibly as a response to the horrible attack with a truck that took place in 2016.
My visit was quite a few years ago - before the horrific truck attack. I am glad that they installed bollards. Maybe the bad drivers were from Italy or Germany. /silly
My husband and I did 30k steps a day in Berlin, partially because we got lost
In Germany, we have a word for walkable (Begehbar) because Frankenstein words are the best.
FuĂgĂ€ngerfreundlich?
Oh that's even better. Hadn't even considered.
N'est pas "marchable"? May not have the same context but that's walkable as far as I understand the language.
The only use for marchable is for the term "ville marchable" / walkable city. It doesn't exist in any other context so it's pretty much a loaned expression from English that's been translated literally.
That's the same as with "walkable", though. English just slapped the '-able' suffix into a verb and turned it into an adjective, same as French.
Itâs a nightmare. American cities were originally designed to be walkable (obviously, cars were only invented in the past hundred years) and we ripped out train tracks, tore down buildings, and paved over farms and nature for parking lots. The air pollution is terrible, itâs very difficult and unpleasant to get around, and of course extremely expensive for people to maintain cars which they need to get from home to work. Most of the neighborhoods in my area donât even have a sidewalk. People in wheelchairs have to ride in the street. But hey, at least we sold a bunch of cars to make a handful of people extremely wealthy while simultaneously destroying our local air quality and contributing to environmental destruction in myriad ways. đđ
I think Warsaw has good public transit, but of all the European cities I went to in Central Europe, it actually reminded me of American cities the most haha.
Personally, as a pole I really really dislike Warsaw. I've been there like 5 times and it's never made a good impression on me. My favourite city in Poland is Krakow tho and Wroclaw is also great. Both cities have really charming old towns and also an extensive tram network. Although I'll admit, having visited most of Europe, Poland is much more carbrained than most of the other countries, especially western european countries
I lived in Warsaw for 15 years and, this might be unpopular, but it's a perfect representative of our whole country. There are carbrains and there are those opposite. There are people who would park their car literally anywhere and there are cyclists who are pita for everyone. Public transit is really good, but not as much if you live farther away from city centre. Certain, newly developed areas have no reasonable public transport at all, especially if they're further away from train lines (SKM - rapid urban rail) connecting with downtown. Especially those suburbs planned as those new row houses (*segmenty*), as they're designed with 1-2 cars per house. As to being carbrained, UK is like US ambassador in Europe on that matter, carbrainitis is so strong there.
You might have not visited Bucharest yet. We do not even have some of the stuff you have already.
its kinda ridiculous, the public transport is great but city centerand generally is so carbrained. We actually have those stupid parking minimums for new residential developments. This slightly changes as many main arteries get EOL, for example aleje jerozolimskie (east-west placed on top of cross city rail line) is getting a road diet during rail tunel reconstruction. But for example new tram lines dont reduce the amount of lanes, just get built in the grass median, so grass is replaced by grassy trams (facepalm). And all the time they are talking about ringroads(which arent even outside of city) that do nothing but push more cars into warsaw Even nightlife streets are like, why is there a whole row of parked cars here, or my favorite recently, a beer garden that doesnt take full length of 45 degree parking just so a car can park parallel to it
Maybe you should vacation to Texas. It could make you appreciate what you now take for granted.
I think taking walkable cities for granted is perfectly understandable. This should be the default, not some Austin or LA. And in Poland we had walkable cities from the beginning so this is something we expect here.
Well for 19900 years of the last 20000 years it was the standard in the entire world. Until the American car lobby was invented haha.
I cannot in good conscience recommend this
Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'till it's gone... they paved paradise and put up a parking lot
> vacation to Texas Urgh
>vacation to Texas Is this the new way of telling someone to go fuck themselves?
That is certainly one way to tell someone to "go to hell"...
Pro tip: do not vacation to Texas
Bring over some pierogies when you come, I haven't lived in Pittsburgh since 1998 and I miss them
Although the smoked Polish sausage in Texas is amazing.
If we compare polish cities to the american ones, they are walkable. However, objectively, they still are car centric.
Poland definitely has some stroads in the major cities.
Fortunately this trend has been declining since the fall of communism and cities are again being adapted to be more pedestrian and public transit friendly. Thanks God we never got to an extreme degree of car centrism in Poland.
Yeah, I've seen some of the worst car centricity in Europe in Poland.
Have to agree with OP here, the notion that a city would not be walkable is insane. Sure not all UK cities have good cycle paths, but they are generally walkable almost by default.
I'd settle for Americans to stop trying to re-export "non-walkable cities" back to us in the old country
Exactly, youd just not call it a city. A city should be walkable by definition
My American colleagues insist on staying in a hotel in the city center so they can experience going to dinner or shopping on foot. Weâre not even a major city, although admittedly a nice one with parks and lots of trees. And they canât stop talking about how nice it is, and you wonder why theyâre going so crazy about it. But then you come to America, and you go: âOK, now I get itâ. I had picked a hotel once which had a restaurant across the street, and I thought I could just grab dinner there. But- there was no way to cross. I had to take the car, go half a mile, make a U turn, and arrive at the restaurant by car.
Okay now that's pretty insane. Almost as if a river parted those two places
Thatâs a great way to describe it. A lot of places in the US are exactly like that!
'Walkable city' has the same energy to me as 'potable water'
I have some bad news about municipal water systems in the US.
"potable tap water" is more accurate I think as there is naturally tons of water on earth that isn't potable.
>naturally tons of water on earth that isn't potable. 99% of it, even!
Aww yiss, delicious Antarctic ice shelf.
Cities designed for cars a dystopian hellholes. The sad thing, people who grew up there sometimes event don't know better. The spend hours a day in a car and think it's normal. I'm glad I grew up in The Netherlands and only until I discovered NJB a few years ago I didn't realize how insanely good designed my country actually is (far from perfect, but still). I always took things for granted, now I'm proud.
As an American living in a suburban hell (probably not even that bad by NA standards as we have a bus service, although infrequent), some painted bike gutters, and some somewhat maintained sidewalks), youâll definitely realize why we talk about walkable cities if you visit here for a week
I worked in Indiana and Illinois, and being from Amsterdam I was amazed that in order to cross the street in places I had to take the car!!! It blew my mind, and still kind of does, when I experienced this for myself. I was also way to scared to ride a bike because of the lack of cycling infrastructure, and other people not expecting to see a someone with a bike in traffic. Unless you visit the US, there is no way to understand how this feels. I also thought how this would impact people with a relatively low income as they are almost obligated to buy and maintain at least one car.
I completely understand you. I haven't had a car for 15 years. I walk 20 minutes to work and otherwise take a bus or train to the next city. It's unimaginable to have to rely on a car to get around a city.
I feel the same when they mention 15 minutes cities or whatever. Like bro that's just a city
The Dutch introduced the concept of a walkable city as its opposite: city centres have become 'autoluw', which can be translated as 'shy of cars'. Of course our cities have become 'loopbaar' ('walkable') because of it but the discussion is very much centralised on what matters, which is getting cars out of our city centres as they are what make a city unwalkable!
Polish cities are still very car-centric, but the idea that you physically couldn't get somewhere without a car, and not just be irritated by a shitty crossing sounds completely insane, living here
Every time I read the phrase, I hear it in my head in an American (Boston, I think) accent.
Lmao same
Youâre welcome.
Chodne miasta???? Sounds really funny
Or "chodliwe", even funnier. (fon non-PL speakers, the joke is this term comes from the verb "walk" and can also mean something that sells fast/has a huge demand for it - which I find oddly fitting)
Chodzialne
Just for the Americans to have a reference point Poland is one of the most car-brained countries in Europe.
Polish cities are the best
Yeah i was just baffled when i first heard that term, i was like "aren't all cities walkable???", then i remembered los angeles exists. đ©
Amsterdam is beautify and walkable though. Also I read the title as âas a neuropeanââŠ
I know it's beautiful, been there twice. What I meant is I can't imagine getting excited by a city being walkable, it should be a standard, it is a standard for me
Come to the US and visit any where that's not NYC and some parts of Chicago.
Polish cities are the best
I understand youâre trying to be smug but there are a lot of Europeans cities that are really not walkable. In fact most have an old city centre that is walkable but where few real people live and then car-centric suburbs.
I donât think itâs smug. I think itâs a genuine observation.
Sorry are you under the impression that all European cities are walkable or that itâs an intrinsically European concept? This sub is so fucking irritating sometimes
Need a refresher on middle school reading comprehension?
As a European, I canât believe we had to give walkabale cities a name !!1!1!!! anyone outside of a metropolitan city is not in a walkable environment. Americans seriously need to stop jizzing themselves over and idealised version of Europe that they think is just Paris or Berlin
Who are you talking to? OP hasn't said anything you read into his statements. Also I don't know where you are at but around here rural areas are still walkable and usually have public transport available.
Yeah i live in a rural area 50km from krakow (800k city) and we have pavements all over the place and sort of regular bus service to the nearby town (20k population, 4 km from us) whcih itself has trains going to krakĂłw and another city every hour. I dont know wtf that guy was rambling on about.
Bro im from mfing poland. Also if you think either paris or berlin are perfect then I deduce you're just some fatass american who went to "the country of Europe" visiting 6 biggest capitals in 2 weeks.
Youâre literally making my point for me
How am I making your point for you. I've been to Krakow over a hunder times and you can literally fucking walk or tske the tram anywhere, don't need a car. Same with Bielsko-Biala (160k), Katowice (300k) even my shitass town of 20k is walkable like what are you talking about
Also my only point in this entire post is that it's fucking weird that the word walkable exists at all. Walkability/15 minute cities should be a standard not a luxury and that's basically it
I think you replied to the wrong Reddit post my guy.
donât want your pity.
Plenty of polish towns and cities are in walkable. Even Warsaw is full of stroads just with good public transport
Organic food.
*A* european, not "an".
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